SNEAKO - SNEAKO's Full Interview With Comedian Dave Smith

00:00:00.000 Welcome, everybody. We got Dave Smith on. I got to meet you for the first time last week at,

00:00:07.540 was it The Stand? Yep, yep. Yeah, I mean, I've seen your comedy for a long time. I saw your

00:00:13.320 transition into politics. I would consider you more a political commentator now than,

00:00:19.060 like, when I think of Dave Smith, I think of the guy who was on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan,

00:00:23.640 and, you know, with your show, I don't think of you the way I once have. Yeah, well, that's right.

00:00:30.940 Yeah, because you knew me first, right? You would, like, weren't you in the Legion of Skanks audience

00:00:36.340 one night when some incident happened or something, and this was, like, I think I threw a bottle at

00:00:41.420 Sneeko once or something. I don't remember the story exactly. I used to perform at The Stand.

00:00:46.600 I did an Aaron Berg show back in, like, right before COVID, I was doing a lot of stand-up,

00:00:51.340 and I was watching a show during COVID, and I had my dog there. I was with my ex-girlfriend,

00:00:56.480 and he's like, fuck this dog, and he, like, flicked some water at the dog.

00:01:00.400 That does sound like Lewis. Yeah, but how was the, the show was good, but with Jake Shields there,

00:01:05.560 it was, like, every day, you know, you never know what to expect. It was right after the Rampage

00:01:09.580 Jackson, well, the Roger Jackson situation, so I was like, I didn't really want to, you know,

00:01:14.100 put my friend in a difficult situation. Yeah, yeah, no, I understand that. You know, it's a

00:01:20.680 weird thing for me, man, so you're right that, like, most people know me these days from,

00:01:25.580 from, like, political commentary stuff, and then, like, you know, I was a comedian way before that,

00:01:30.160 and I still do stand-up, but that it has become, I mean, like, I got fans of my comedy and stuff,

00:01:34.880 but, like, it has become a thing where people now, it's, like, come out and see me, but they just know

00:01:38.280 me as the political commentator, and then when they come to a show, they're like, oh, it's a funny

00:01:42.580 comic, too, like, so, but, uh, you know what I'll say, dude? It's just funny you mentioning that,

00:01:48.680 because I remember, uh, so this was, what was this, two weeks ago, or whatever, so Jake Shields

00:01:54.680 was on the show, and he was friends with Rampage, and we're just, you know, we're a comedy show that

00:01:59.420 makes fun of everything offensive, you know, and that's, like, what, I, I've always been into really

00:02:04.640 dark comedy, I, I think you are, too, you know, and, like, uh, but I was kind of, like, I was sensitive

00:02:10.900 to it, where I go, look, I understand if this is your friend, this is a little bit, like, this might be

00:02:16.020 something you don't want to joke around about, and I'll tell you, I literally just decided the

00:02:20.280 other day that I'm just taking off, I'm not doing Legion of Skanks this week, and I canceled my gigs

00:02:25.920 in, uh, Vegas this weekend, just because, uh, no other reason, other, and I'm not even, like, I'll

00:02:31.440 never be the hypocrite who judges somebody else for making dark jokes about a tragic thing or

00:02:36.160 whatever, but I'm just, like, I'm just not quite ready to do comedy yet, I need to, like, sit for a

00:02:41.180 minute, I'm, like, this, this thing, like, hit a little too close to home for me, where I'm, like,

00:02:45.680 I just gotta, you know, I, I mean, I'll, that's the only dates I'm gonna cancel, I'll be back out

00:02:49.460 on all my dates for the rest of the year, but I just need, like, a week of, like, sitting and not

00:02:54.880 doing comedy shows. I was wondering if that was for security reasons, but it seems that you, you just

00:02:59.300 don't want to joke about something that you could relate to. Yeah, it's just, look, it's just, to me,

00:03:05.760 it's, like, and I wasn't, like, close friends with Charlie or anything like that, but I knew Charlie,

00:03:09.460 and to see, you know, like, I'm, I'm, it's jarring for all of us, but it makes it a little extra

00:03:14.440 jarring when you were just, like, with the guy not that long ago, but no, security, I mean,

00:03:19.580 everybody, everybody, yourself included, I'm sure, everyone's gonna be ramping up security

00:03:24.560 going forward, at least for a little bit, but I'm not gonna, I, you know, I can't, none of us could

00:03:30.500 stop living our lives and stuff, you know, and so, no, I'm not canceling any other dates, it's not

00:03:35.940 like a security thing, I'm just, like, I gotta, you know, I gotta, you know,

00:03:39.640 this is really one of the first things, I mean, when Donald Trump got shot, I did shows that night,

00:03:44.300 and they were some of my favorite shows, like, that I've ever done, it was just really fun,

00:03:49.380 because it, you know, like, but, because at the end of it, he still just got nicked in the ear,

00:03:53.440 and it was still, like, oh, this is a great thing to, there's just so many jokes that were right

00:03:57.500 there, that was, like, oh, this is really fun, this one's just, like, I don't know, I, I don't have

00:04:03.400 anything light or fun to say about this, and so I'd rather just, like, sit for a minute, and then

00:04:08.340 get back to it, which I will do, but. I mean, so, to argue with that, don't you think these times are

00:04:14.040 when people need comedy, they need entertainment, like, yesterday, I did an IRL stream, walking

00:04:19.220 around, right before we started, you're like, oh, you kids, you're always doing these crazy streams,

00:04:22.240 yesterday, I mean, it's Fashion Week in New York, and there was San Gennaro, the Italian festival,

00:04:26.960 I was walking around there, I decided I'm just going to start up the stream, and interact with

00:04:30.880 people, and be out there, because there's a lot of fear and anxiety, I think, more than I've, than

00:04:35.380 I've ever seen, because of this situation, and it's, I think there's maybe a responsibility, or I

00:04:41.700 think a benefit to going out there, because I, I said this yesterday, I like the quote from Charlie

00:04:47.360 Kirk, some girl flicked his hat, and there was another liberal woman there, I was like, you're making

00:04:52.700 people upset, why are you doing this, and he's like, well, I shouldn't even have to answer that

00:04:55.640 question, I'm doing this, because when we can't speak to one another, even if we disagree, that's

00:05:00.740 when violence takes over, so, yeah, I'm gonna go out there, yeah, look, I think there's, I think

00:05:06.400 there's a strong argument to be made, I think there's an argument to be made, that people should

00:05:09.340 be going out, and talking to people, that people should be doing events at college campuses, I think

00:05:13.620 people should be giving their thoughts on podcasts about it, and I even think there's an argument to be

00:05:18.860 made for comedians making jokes about it, like, I think there's something, I know, probably, this is true,

00:05:25.500 at least for me, with almost every, like, tragic thing in my life, almost, like, the first step to

00:05:30.860 knowing you might be getting over it, is when someone makes a hilarious joke about it, and you

00:05:35.220 could just crack up laughing, you know what I mean, like, it's almost like, I remember this, just,

00:05:40.020 when I was younger, and when I was first in the comedy game, like, if anyone had just broken up with

00:05:44.880 their girlfriend, we would all just, like, mock them, and mock them, and make fun of them, until one of

00:05:48.760 them cracked, you know, and then it would be like, okay, now you're back, you're on the road to

00:05:52.440 recovery, so I'm not saying, I'm not knocking anyone for doing that, there's a role for that,

00:05:56.900 I'm simply just saying, like, in the spirit of what I was saying about, like, oh, I didn't care

00:06:02.720 about making jokes about Quentin Jackson's kid beating up that guy, but I knew Jake, I would go,

00:06:09.220 oh, this is, like, a friend of yours, or, like, you were saying, it's a friend of yours, so, like,

00:06:13.060 I'm just saying, there's, I think people should do that, I'm just saying, for me, this one hit close

00:06:18.520 enough to home, that I was like, I'll do that, but I need a week, I need a week off, and then we'll

00:06:24.120 get back, we'll get back to it. That's, that brings up a valid talking point, I mean, people are getting

00:06:30.560 upset at me saying, you know, that I'm condemning all the people that are celebrating and stuff,

00:06:35.760 because I haven't seen any actual jokes, I think there's a difference between, you know, jokes that

00:06:40.140 can make light of the situation, so far, it's just, you know, people on the other side celebrating,

00:06:45.540 literally just laughing at him for dying, and getting assassinated brutally like that, and I

00:06:50.440 don't see, it's like, this is not benefiting anybody, it's not funny, because you're analyzing

00:06:55.080 the situation, you're just laughing at him, because you didn't like him, is that freedom of speech?

00:06:59.320 Well, it is, look, I mean, it all is freedom of speech, and it all should, you know what I'm saying,

00:07:04.760 in the strictest sense, but there is, I'll say, like, I saw this one, I just saw this on Twitter,

00:07:13.340 where it was like, it was Charlie Kirk in heaven, meeting Jesus, but Jesus was black,

00:07:18.540 and Charlie Kirk was like, no, and like, I at least went to that, I went like, all right,

00:07:22.960 that's a, like, that, look, as I can understand a million people being like, you know, if they're

00:07:27.820 like offended, because it's bad, poor taste, or they're upset about this, but that is like,

00:07:31.840 it's a joke, I see what the funny is there, they're going for it, like, it didn't like kill

00:07:35.640 me, but it was like, okay, that's pretty, but then like, you'd see some other things,

00:07:40.060 where it was like, you know, like, whatever, it's always dumb and gay when you got to explain

00:07:45.400 jokes like this, but then you'd see someone else where it's like, hey, here's my answer to change

00:07:49.940 my mind, and it would be a picture of him with like a bullet through his neck, and you're like,

00:07:53.940 I don't know, look, technically, that is free speech, and technically, you could say it's a joke,

00:07:58.040 but Jesus Christ, that's a mean-spirited, like, you know, like, that's, that's not like a,

00:08:04.040 oh, I'm poking fun at something here, you're like, ah, that's, that's an ugly joke,

00:08:08.820 and there are such things as those, you know, I've seen, I've seen a few of those.

00:08:13.140 So did you find out from the situation where jokes can cross the line?

00:08:18.740 No, I mean, I still, I still kind of have my same absolutist position on like, I don't think,

00:08:26.820 look, I think like, you know, the, the late great genius of comedy, Patrice O'Neill,

00:08:33.160 who I got like kind of, I, yeah, I got the honor to like know Patrice a little bit and become friends

00:08:39.300 with him in the last few years of his life, and he, I remember he, with the way he said it,

00:08:44.320 I thought it was perfect, was that he was like, look, a hilarious joke and an unfunny joke all

00:08:50.280 come from the same place, and you can't ever make a hilarious joke unless you have the freedom to risk

00:08:55.760 making a joke that bombs and offends everybody, like nobody's, you know, even your favorite

00:09:00.580 comedian ever isn't perfect, like he's trying, and then sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't,

00:09:06.880 and so I'm never gonna like, I'm never gonna like, you know, think there should be like a punishment

00:09:12.240 for anyone for missing on a joke. I just think it's like a thing like you could decide for yourself

00:09:18.380 always, like in the same way that like, if you suffered through some tragedy that you weren't ready

00:09:23.780 to laugh at yet, then probably you shouldn't go to a comedy club that night, but that doesn't mean

00:09:28.300 like some other comedian can't go make a joke about that tragedy, it's just, that's to me the

00:09:33.040 essence of free speech and western civilization and, and, you know, just like civilization in general is

00:09:39.860 like, yeah, okay, but people can say what they want to say, they can say all the horrible shit they

00:09:43.900 want to, I think you are in the spirit of Charlie Kirk, you're kind of better off like letting them say

00:09:48.680 that, let that be on the record and go, okay, you know, like that now that's, everyone

00:09:53.620 can kind of see who you are, I think is the probably the best way to go. Not that it's perfect, but

00:10:00.760 nothing is. What was it like on Turning Point? I remember seeing your debate with him, and I was

00:10:04.960 really surprised because I mean, I, I'm, it's all out there. I was very critical of Charlie Kirk. He used

00:10:10.300 to say that Islam was going to destroy western civilization. And I said that the Jews conquered

00:10:15.840 Charlie Kirk. And when I saw that you were on Turning Point debating Israel, I was surprised to see him

00:10:20.360 allow somebody to push back because he was very clearly a major supporter of Israel, maybe most of

00:10:26.200 his career, except maybe towards the end, he started questioning October 7. And who knew about it

00:10:30.940 beforehand? He started to call out Epstein for being linked to Mossad. Why do you think that he allowed

00:10:37.040 you to have that conversation at his event? Well, I mean, look, there's, there were a lot of things

00:10:42.840 going on there. And I think right now, just, just to be clear, I think people are, uh, if I'm being

00:10:49.140 completely honest and I have no interest in, um, in covering for Israel and I have absolute, like, I,

00:10:57.140 I think it is well-deserved that like generation Z is just, man, they are just, uh, already convinced

00:11:07.940 Israel did this, it seems like to me. And like in some way, when I say that's well-deserved, I just mean

00:11:13.280 like Netanyahu almost at this point deserves to be presumed guilty for every goddamn crime, you know,

00:11:19.840 like just for, for the crimes he has committed, he deserves that and probably worse than that. Um, and I did,

00:11:26.920 you know, I was talking to one, uh, one of the smartest people in this, uh, world who said to me today, uh,

00:11:34.040 which I did think was a good point that I had never really thought of before where they were

00:11:37.600 like, you know, look, they were basically agreeing with me that they were like, look, I don't think

00:11:41.280 we really have any type of case that Israel did this as of right now. That's just people

00:11:45.020 jumping to conclusions, but you know, this might be insurance against an Israeli false flag because

00:11:51.640 now they know that they probably couldn't pull one off. Cause we're all just going to blame them

00:11:55.520 anyway. So I did, I thought that was almost the best argument for it, but just to be clear,

00:12:01.280 I've always thought like my role in this shit is to tell the truth, to just stand up for what like

00:12:08.480 you think is right and what you think is true. And so I'm not, and I do think that people are getting

00:12:13.380 way out over their skis here, you know, and I, I, you know, tweeted not really, not very

00:12:19.340 confrontationally at all. Just asking Ian Carroll when he was saying it like a fact that Israel killed

00:12:24.280 Charlie Kirk, like what exactly is the evidence for this? And I don't really think he has any, and I don't

00:12:29.640 and I thought I was really surprised that the gray zone ran that piece, uh, the other day. I think

00:12:35.100 the gray zone has done incredible journalism over the last couple of years, but I was really surprised

00:12:39.260 they ran that piece. So just, just to be clear here, I'm not implying something that I, you know,

00:12:44.840 like that I don't think we have a case that Israel did this. And I do even as a big Israel critic

00:12:49.720 find that hard to believe, but maybe, maybe I'm wrong, but there was a, there, there's no question.

00:12:56.240 There was this big dynamic going on and I got to pop in to like a little part of that. So I,

00:13:04.040 so to your question, you know, it's like, I had heard rumors that like, Ooh, Charlie's kind of like,

00:13:12.100 you know, wavering a little bit on his support to Israel. And, and, you know, so I, I, you know,

00:13:18.000 I can't really speak to how much of that dynamic is true. I did talk to him for like about an hour

00:13:24.860 before the debate. And I, you know, like sneaker, you know, when I'm backstage with someone, like

00:13:30.900 I'm just a dude and I know, and Charlie Kirk, me and him start talking immediately. And I know

00:13:35.360 he's like a reader. And there's something about like, when you do this, this is how dumb everyone

00:13:41.460 is, including the entire political commentary space is that like 80% of the people who do shows

00:13:47.560 about politics, don't read books. They don't know history. They don't know things, but Charlie did.

00:13:53.040 And we started right away talking about like thinkers and books and this and that. And so

00:13:56.680 as soon as we start talking about it, I'm already like, all right, Charlie, so you know what it is

00:14:00.660 already, dude, right? You know that the fucking Likud party got us into the last seven wars. So

00:14:05.980 what the fuck are we talking about here? You know? And then he would kind of just like laugh and

00:14:10.320 chuckle and like, look, wait, I need to go. I, well, he goes, look, I know what you mean. I know

00:14:15.200 what you mean. He goes, and then he would say something like, he'd be like, look, I'm a Christian

00:14:18.500 man. And it's really important to me that we preserve these holy sites and that they be under the

00:14:22.980 control of Western civilization. And then I'd be like, yeah, but like, couldn't we maybe find a

00:14:27.940 happy medium between that and genociding all the people in the surrounding areas? Like, do we have

00:14:33.120 to do both or like that? You know, but so this was like the back and forth. I didn't really get a gauge

00:14:37.540 of where he was, but I'll tell you for sure what the dynamic was, was that look, the thing that was

00:14:46.120 different about Charlie Kirk compared to say like Ben Shapiro or Dave Rubin or Jordan Peterson,

00:14:52.020 or like any of the rest of them is that the difference was that Charlie Kirk, maybe more

00:14:57.180 similar to you, dude, he had to talk to young people all the time. Like his whole job was talking

00:15:04.180 to young right wing Americans. And as you know, dude, I mean, young right wing Americans are just

00:15:11.040 abandoning Israel at like this crazy rapid rate where everybody's just waking up to how crazy the

00:15:18.140 U.S.-Israeli relationship is. And so here's Charlie Kirk stuck in this incredible between Iraq and a

00:15:25.200 hard place position where he's got to keep his audience, but he's also got to keep his backers.

00:15:31.980 Right. And like he, so clearly he was in this thing where, and I think, you know, I, I, I said

00:15:38.220 this privately to him, but I'll say this publicly. I mean, I do think there was a bit of like a, you

00:15:43.440 know, like after the Groyper Wars, which really led, left some, some bruises on Charlie, you know,

00:15:51.720 okay. He took, he took some hits in the Groyper war, but then since October 7th, I mean, he's just

00:15:56.880 been getting like destroyed because now it's not just like Nick Fuentes and his like ragtag,

00:16:03.100 you know, youngsters, but now Nick, first of all, just Nick Fuentes himself is, I mean, I don't know

00:16:10.280 how, how do you state how much bigger is Nick Fuentes today than he was in 2019? He's mainstream,

00:16:15.600 you know, he's massively, massively bigger. Right. So now you got, you got, you know, the,

00:16:20.940 the Groyper's pushing back on you, but they're a bigger movement than ever before. Also. Now you've

00:16:25.240 got Tucker Carlson, who's probably the biggest right wing voice in America, just destroying

00:16:31.140 your case. Like, and, and, and now even like Megyn Kelly and people like that. And then to whatever

00:16:36.900 extent I've been involved in that too, but like almost all, wherever you fall on the spectrum of

00:16:42.220 young right winger, no one hasn't been grappling with this. Obviously Candace Owens, I should have

00:16:47.420 mentioned her a huge contributor to that too, you know, conservative with millions and millions of

00:16:52.240 followers. Um, and so Charlie was in this very tough position. And so in a way, Nick Fuentes was,

00:16:59.060 was the Malcolm X to my Martin Luther King. And so I think he felt like, well, fuck, I can't bring,

00:17:04.880 I can't bring this guy in. Who's been going for my jugular for years. And who's pretty, you know,

00:17:09.640 who's I'm not, I'm not trying to mischaracterize Nick's message at all, but like, he didn't want to

00:17:13.720 go to like a, it's the Jews person. So he was like, maybe I could just go to like someone like,

00:17:19.620 like me who look, I I'm sure people could spin this in a way, but I'm not saying like,

00:17:25.260 that doesn't actually prove anything. I just think it's not true that it's the Jews. I think it's much

00:17:29.180 more true that it's a cabal involving many Jews, but regardless of that, I think that was part of it.

00:17:36.100 But I'll tell you, dude, just from going in there, like I was, I was surprised how much more the

00:17:41.960 audience was with me than with my opponent in the debate. Like that to me, that explains a huge part

00:17:48.760 of the dynamic of what Charlie was going through was that it was just, he was, he was trying to

00:17:54.120 navigate this, like impossible to navigate situation. And then I think in his estimation,

00:18:00.840 it was like, and I'm sorry, I'll stop ranting and you could talk in a second here, but just like

00:18:04.600 in, I think in his estimation, it was like, well, look, I'm going to have Tucker Carlson. Cause how

00:18:09.900 can you not have Tucker Carlson at a right wing event? Like who the fuck wouldn't have him there?

00:18:14.520 He's the biggest draw you could get. And then Megan, you know, went out and said some stuff.

00:18:21.720 And then he had me. And I think, I think having me pissed a lot of people off because that seemed

00:18:27.120 more like a choice. And he also had me. And I will say that to be fair, he set me up in like a perfect

00:18:33.240 situation. Like he set me up with debating, like a nerd who just was not going to win the debate with

00:18:39.640 I had already debated that guy and smashed them like months before. So he just like set me up in

00:18:44.980 a nice situation to kind of, it was the final event of his show. But I think what happened is

00:18:51.520 maybe he thought, okay, I'm not going to deal with those guys, but I'll just deal with these guys.

00:18:56.460 But then dealing with these guys was still enough to really piss people off. And so I'm not saying at

00:19:02.200 all that that's enough to, to put together any type of theory. I just don't think it is. We don't have

00:19:07.440 any type of real theory here that Israel did this shit. And we should keep looking. And if anyone

00:19:13.320 finds anything fine, but like there, but what he certainly was in this weird dynamic between his

00:19:19.940 audience and his donors, and then thought he could, you know, like thread the tightrope. And then that

00:19:28.400 wasn't enough that pissed off his donors. And he was at least, you know, we know from that Megan

00:19:33.220 Kelly interview, which is really all I know. And Heinz, I wish I had reached out and asked him, you

00:19:38.180 know, more about that, but I didn't. But he was at least saying that like he was getting all this

00:19:43.040 pressure on him for that last event. And so that is, that is true.

00:19:48.460 Yeah, we've seen Tucker Carlson have to deal with this. I mean, Tucker was a very big supporter of the

00:19:53.680 Iraq war. And now he's saying that Epstein worked for Mossad. Tucker Carlson has criticized

00:19:58.440 Netanyahu. He said, pretty much insinuating on Piers Morgan that Israel had involvement in 9-11.

00:20:03.000 The shift has been from like the mainstream Judeo-Christian traditional ideas to, okay,

00:20:09.920 maybe AIPAC in this country has subverted our government completely. We're seeing all these

00:20:14.000 conservative commentators have to now address this. You even see Charlie Kirk on his last PPD

00:20:19.060 interview. He said, this is going to be really difficult for me to say. I have to be careful how

00:20:22.500 I say this, but Epstein probably, or no, Netanyahu knew about the October 7th attacks. And then he

00:20:28.820 did insinuate, I think on his last ever show with Ben Shapiro, 48 hours before his death,

00:20:34.460 he said, you can't really criticize Israel to Ben Shapiro. And Ben Shapiro looked at him a little

00:20:39.220 strange. And so obviously you, you are not going to be able to find specific evidence that Israel

00:20:43.900 did assassinate him. But what we can do is look at the events that transpired afterwards,

00:20:49.340 right? You saw, I'm sure you've seen that Netanyahu was the first one to tweet right away.

00:20:53.160 Trump on truth social posted a picture of him cheek to cheek, hugging Charlie Kirk with a

00:20:58.540 Israeli flag. So weird. Did everyone see this? Truth social, cheek to cheek, Israeli flag,

00:21:05.400 United States flag. Why, why is that? And then you could also see like they painted up a mural.

00:21:11.800 Netanyahu has been farming this heavily. He's posting all these clips saying that Charlie Kirk was a huge

00:21:15.800 supporter of Israel, ignoring what he said about October 7th and Epstein. And especially people trying

00:21:20.940 to blame the death on, on Groypers and trying to place blame on other people. Also, we've also,

00:21:26.960 Marco Rubio was just today with Mike Huckabee and Israel kissing the wall. They're trying to push

00:21:31.800 legislation so that they can block the Epstein files from being released. They are pushing more

00:21:36.800 legislation so that students in the U S on visas can be deported for criticizing Israel. All this has

00:21:44.040 happened in the days after, and in just the four days since, and people are obviously not going to see

00:21:48.420 this would be as outrage because we're all talking about Charlie Kirk. Yeah, dude. But look, I mean,

00:21:53.940 here's the thing, right? And here's the cure for, and look, listen, let me try to like, be clear. I'm

00:21:59.920 not just, this isn't just like a disclaimer or something like that. I really mean this, but just

00:22:04.960 to be clear, like there are lots of real conspiracies. And in fact, I think no one who's telling the truth

00:22:11.760 isn't a conspiracy theorist, but like what you got to understand is that you don't want to get too

00:22:17.100 far out over your skis or be too kooky and connect dots that don't exist. Right. And I do think there

00:22:22.520 are some people who are doing that right now, but just to be clear, right. This was fucking Henry,

00:22:28.560 cause this is just like the advantage I have over like some of the younger guys is just that I'm not

00:22:32.700 a younger guy anymore. So I haven't been into this for two or three or five years. I've been into this

00:22:37.200 shit for fucking 19 years, like goddamn obsessively. And literally it was Henry Kissinger, the architect

00:22:43.300 of like, like second half 20th century U S foreign policy, like the kind of like guy who was molding

00:22:52.000 the military industrial complex as it came into being like his go-to slogan was that you never let

00:22:58.140 a crisis go to waste. Right. And then there's all types of different, uh, uh, lines from Rob Manuel

00:23:04.840 and all these types of different leaders who are like, whenever you say like all these guys in

00:23:08.680 power, they know that as soon as a crisis hits, that's an opportunity to exploit it in whatever

00:23:14.540 way you can exploit it. And so there's no question that they're exploiting the shit out of it, but

00:23:19.220 that actually isn't evidence at all that they did it. Now I'm not saying maybe they, maybe they did do

00:23:23.900 it, but clearly there's no question they're exploiting the shit out of it. And in a, in some sense,

00:23:29.140 that's what matters the most because it doesn't even really necessarily matter who did it. That's done

00:23:33.300 and over with what matters is like, what's the exploitation going to be? What's the policy going

00:23:37.520 to be? And it's almost like, so obviously written on the walls that what they want to do here is

00:23:43.000 use this as like with everything, like with the immigration crackdowns and all of that, this will

00:23:48.120 be used as an excuse to crack down on what opposition to Israel. And so already who are the

00:23:54.040 fucking groups that they're pointing at? They're going, you know what? I think it might be these

00:23:57.660 groopers or it might be these left wing radicals, but what have the left wing radicals been doing

00:24:03.520 for the, I mean, but aside from the few immigration protests, really the left wing radicals for the

00:24:08.820 last two years have been protesting over the goddamn genocide in Gaza and, and kind of, you know, I think,

00:24:16.460 you know, I mean, they, however you feel about the left wingers who've been out in the streets over

00:24:22.800 Gaza, they really went against their political party. They were calling Joe Biden genocide, Joe.

00:24:29.160 They, they really took some arrows. They really did. A lot of them got kicked out of school and got

00:24:34.880 fucking, you know, like blacklisted from getting jobs. Some of the legal residents got deported.

00:24:40.100 Some of them were like violently evicted by the police. I just saying like, and, and I do think the

00:24:45.580 response to it is going to be to go after them, but I do just want to stress just so people like in,

00:24:50.900 in, you know, listening to this aren't sloppy. Like if you really go back and listen to that last

00:24:57.200 interview with, with Ben Shapiro, again, I just, I don't see the evidence and I'm not saying this isn't

00:25:03.400 true, but I don't see the evidence that Charlie Kirk was like about to make this big flip. I think he was

00:25:08.600 what it, what that sounded like to me again, but he's even saying it in his own words. If you listen to

00:25:14.440 the interview, he's going, when I talk to these young people, I hear this, like he's, he's trying

00:25:21.320 his best to set it up for Ben Shapiro to like slap this down. And then Ben Shapiro will give

00:25:27.540 his Hasbro a bullshit, you know, response to whatever he says. And then he never follows it

00:25:31.500 up with like a tough follow-up question. He's not actually like really trying to be, that interview to

00:25:37.360 me. And I think some people are somewhat dishonestly editing that up now, but the interview to me read

00:25:42.440 much more like typical what Charlie Kirk's trying to do here, like what he was always trying to do

00:25:48.120 was like, okay, but let me bring this back into like, did you see that thing, dude, where he was

00:25:53.100 leading the focus group with all the young people? And he's like, he's, he's doing this focus group,

00:25:59.520 dude. This is only from like, I don't know, a month ago or a month and a half ago. He's doing this focus

00:26:03.560 group with like young people about their feelings on Israel and the Jews, but he's leading like the

00:26:10.120 entire thing. Like, like he's being like, if I understand you correctly, I think what you're

00:26:15.580 saying is that you don't hate Jews and you do support Israel, but you just think you should

00:26:20.620 be allowed to ask questions without being called antisemitic. Like, is that right? Is that like,

00:26:24.860 he's desperately trying to be like, look, I, it's just like he, he was on the front lines. He understood

00:26:32.340 how bad it was going a lot more than a lot of these guys who weren't on the front lines were. And he was

00:26:37.000 like, we got to stop the bleeding here. Like we got to, like, I have to be at least seen as the guy

00:26:42.240 who will host a debate about the topic. Otherwise I'll lose these kids forever. And so it just seemed

00:26:48.580 like more of that to me. I could be wrong, but like, it's just, I guess even as much as I think

00:26:54.740 Netanyahu's the devil. And as much as I think like what, what Israel's done and, and all types of crimes

00:27:02.660 against the like U S government and the U S people. And of course the Arabs who surround

00:27:08.540 them, particularly the Palestinians, but like the idea that like they publicly shot Charlie Kirk in

00:27:19.240 the face because he was maybe about to turn, like it just, I've just been reading about the shit for

00:27:24.640 so many years. The blueprint would be like Charlie Kirk's funding would dry up in ADL hit piece would

00:27:30.680 come out a Southern poverty law center hit piece would come out. Like he'd be, they'd say they

00:27:35.860 found child porn on his computer. They'd say he cheated on his wife. They'd plant some like fake

00:27:39.880 scandal. This idea that radically, by the way, also it's not even clear that it's in Israel's interest.

00:27:46.820 Like there's, this is most likely going to lead to more radicalization amongst young right-wingers.

00:27:55.080 And most likely more radicalization doesn't lead to more love for Israel. I just don't see a coherent

00:28:03.580 kind of like through line here. Again, I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong. If, if it turns out to

00:28:09.660 not be the case, but if they do want to instill chaos, if they do want to provide a distraction,

00:28:15.200 we've showed some reasons how they've been trying to use this to benefit their own narrative.

00:28:20.360 Well, that's for sure. They're going to run with it now. I mean, there's no question about that.

00:28:24.260 And I think what Candace Owens said, you know, like very well might be true. I trust her on that.

00:28:29.960 Then she said like, she knows what that letter was to Benjamin Netanyahu. And it was a lot more

00:28:34.660 complicated than the couple like, you know, signs that he read. And it does seem like there's this

00:28:40.300 weird, they, they do like try to shove it in your face in a weird way where they're like,

00:28:46.640 here's the image with the Israeli flag. Here's your leaders kissing our wall. Like there's no

00:28:51.560 question. They, they intentionally needle that thing. So make of that what you will.

00:28:59.600 Also, if we're going to call people credit blaming it on Israel, if we're going to call them crazy

00:29:04.340 conspiracy theorists and kooky, we also need to call Netanyahu a crazy conspiracy theorist because

00:29:08.720 the day after he went on Fox news, Netanyahu went on Fox news the day after saying that it was possibly

00:29:15.400 the radical Islamist with connections to Marxist linking radical Islamist and far left conspiracy

00:29:21.680 theorists and the crazy transgender people the next day. But, but that's not even, it's not even the

00:29:27.300 same like, cause I'll say like, to me, like being a kook isn't like having a wild theory to me, being a

00:29:35.400 kook is like putting together something when you're like, yo, that doesn't make sense at all. Like

00:29:40.180 you're just leaping to conclusions. Netanyahu isn't a kook. He's just a fucking liar. Like he'll

00:29:45.660 just like, like the level of what a liar he is. It's just unbelievable. Like he'll, if he thought

00:29:51.980 he could get away with it, he would just say it was the Ayatollah. That's who did it. The Ayatollah

00:29:57.280 murdered Charlie Kirk. Like if he thought that he could get a regime change and around out of saying

00:30:01.620 he'll just say whatever the hell he has to say. And he knows Charlie Kirk's been on this,

00:30:06.620 you know, anti-Muslim kick. And so he's like, yeah, throw that in the mix. And, and if that's

00:30:12.560 like, they're smart enough to know, cause you know, like, this is the thing about bullshit lies that

00:30:17.080 they tell no matter how much they're debunked, no matter how little they're believed, it's not a zero

00:30:22.760 that believes that, you know, like there's, they've had, I saw polling, like this was a couple of years

00:30:29.020 ago, but still only a couple of years ago. And it was like how many democratic voters still believe

00:30:34.800 that Donald Trump was in a conspiracy with Vladimir Putin. And it's like 28% or something

00:30:40.420 like that. So it's like, okay, it's not that much, but that's like over a quarter of these

00:30:44.260 fucking Democrats are still operating under the goddamn theory that like in 2017, we were all

00:30:51.040 laughing at, like they're still under that. And so he kind of knows there's a, there's a big enough

00:30:55.900 percentage, whatever that is of Charlie Kirk supporters who just know that he was against

00:31:00.680 the Muslims and they heard a head of state say it was the Muslims and they'll probably in their mind

00:31:05.700 go that the Muslims had something to do with this, or it just reinforces that thing, but he's just a

00:31:10.660 liar. He's not a kook. He has no like reason to believe that. But I look, I will say at this point,

00:31:16.980 the thing about it is right. Is that we Charlie Kirk was doing these huge outdoor events. He was a

00:31:26.140 lightning rod that was making a lot of people angry. And the, you know, we eat after what

00:31:32.140 happened with Trump and all this stuff. It's just out there in the zeitgeist enough. And it does seem

00:31:37.200 like a left-wing kook started to use that. I should use that word in a difference as a left-wing

00:31:43.280 psychopath, like shooting them is a likely possibility. I mean, who the hell knows, but like,

00:31:49.220 that is, that does seem to me to be like the most likely answer to this.

00:31:55.240 I think you also bring it, bring up a good point about who benefits this. You see the Ben Shapiro

00:31:59.500 show with Bill Maher the other day, and he was exposed pretty quickly. Immediately within one

00:32:04.680 minute, Ben Shapiro starts saying, we are sure that it was a left-wing transgender person. We're

00:32:09.280 sure we know this. It was written about in the garden and the Bill Maher's like, actually, we don't

00:32:13.820 know anything yet. We don't know anything. It could have been a Groyper. And Ben Shapiro says, yeah,

00:32:18.520 I could have been a Groyper. I was like, wait, one minute ago, you were sure that I was a leftist,

00:32:22.440 but now, now it could have been a Groyper. It's because if it's either side to Ben Shapiro,

00:32:28.580 it benefits him. If it's a crazy leftist who's free Palestine benefits him. But if it's a far right

00:32:34.300 Groyper who also hates Israel, it benefits him as well. So they're looking for, of course, yeah,

00:32:40.620 of course. Yeah. I mean, look, and, and, you know, look, who benefits from a thing doesn't

00:32:47.760 necessarily mean, you know what I mean? Like, like you, if, if, if I got killed tomorrow, I guess

00:32:55.400 financially, my wife and kids would benefit in some way from that. But like, you know what I mean?

00:33:00.660 That doesn't mean they did it. That doesn't mean they're the ones who wanted to do it. It just

00:33:03.680 means I got a decent life insurance policy, you know, like it's a, so it's not like that look in

00:33:10.300 some ways, right? Like you could say that me or you or, or Nick or someone like we are, our shows

00:33:18.000 have all been doing big numbers and people are interested in, you know, like, I don't know,

00:33:22.760 like people benefit from things. It's just how snaky you see that they are in attempting to benefit

00:33:29.100 from it and like attempting and just going like, Oh yeah. Is that the answer that everything you

00:33:34.420 already stood against was the reason why this happened? And like, and that, and then just

00:33:39.100 like, Oh, like, you know, watching Netanyahu try to, you know, just all of them be like, yeah,

00:33:45.000 that's the problem. You're at war with Islam. And that's why you have to eat. Even when there's

00:33:49.020 just no, there wasn't even a shred of evidence. Nothing suggests that a Muslim was anywhere close

00:33:54.960 to any of this, you know? And so that's like, like, I wouldn't even mind if you're benefiting

00:33:59.700 off this by like telling the truth afterward or benefiting off, like contributing to something

00:34:04.600 positive. Like I, you know, I, I know, uh, Nick Fuentes is a show after it is like, I, I think I saw

00:34:13.200 it was over 2 million views on rumble, uh, at some point today. Like it's, and then if you took into

00:34:19.160 account the, uh, the clips that have got, I mean, I, who knows what the numbers are like, it's just

00:34:26.340 insane. And like, okay. So he benefited from that, but he, but he was just like spreading a message

00:34:32.660 of Christianity and calm and peace and kind of honoring him. So like, I don't care if you benefit

00:34:37.800 as long as you're kind of like doing the right thing in benefiting from it. Um, so again, I just

00:34:43.600 think I look, man, I'm not trying to like, I'm sure there'll be people who say I'm sitting here

00:34:47.600 trying to like run cover. I feel like this is almost like the problem is that now we're in a world

00:34:52.900 where if you don't, if you ever go like, Hey, slow down on this conspiracy train. Yeah. People

00:34:58.880 go, Oh, you got the call or you're scared or you're doing this. Like, it's not that dude. You

00:35:03.660 know, also a bunch of the Zionists are jumping on the fact that I, I said to Ian Carroll on Twitter,

00:35:09.660 I went, Whoa, what evidence do we have for this? And then they're like, look, it's even too far for

00:35:14.740 anti-Semite Dave Smith, self-hating Jew. He even says it's too far. And it's like, no, all you guys

00:35:20.460 shut the fuck up. Everyone's being retarded, dude. Here's the thing. I've never ever jumped

00:35:25.500 on any kooky conspiracy just to blame the Jews based off no evidence. My thing is always like,

00:35:32.080 what is the coherent narrative here? What is like, I'll go on the biggest show in the world

00:35:36.640 and argue to the death that the neoconservatives were married at the hip with the Likud party in

00:35:42.360 Israel. And that this was all part of their clean break strategy to launch us into these wars.

00:35:47.180 And this costs the American taxpayer, $8 trillion and got 4 million people killed and 30,000 of our

00:35:53.080 own bravest young men blew their brains out. And like, cause I could back that up for days with

00:35:58.140 like, if anyone come argue that with me and I will argue that to the death. Cause I'll win that

00:36:03.420 argument. Cause I'm right about that. But like, I don't like this shit where like a day after a

00:36:08.460 shooting, you know, cause like there's something, there's something immoral about pretending to be

00:36:18.220 certain about something when you're not, when people are looking to you for the truth, like

00:36:22.520 there's something immoral about like doing a thing where you're getting out there and people are

00:36:26.980 looking at you. They're like, like, we're all so angry. Cause we've figured out that all these

00:36:30.960 institutions were lying to us. And then they're looking at other people to be like, Hey,

00:36:34.480 so what is going on? And like, just all I'm saying is like, don't state this thing for a

00:36:40.180 certainty. Don't jump to conclusions. Right. And also don't you think, and this is part of the

00:36:45.060 reason why I almost like why, why it upset me, why both Ian Carroll and Max Blumenthal upset me

00:36:50.440 over the last few days was you were like, come on, man. Like, don't, don't make the movement

00:36:56.680 that saying like, Hey, we got to wake up to the nature of the Israeli government and their

00:37:02.860 relationship with the U S government and our, you know, like the control of this foreign

00:37:07.660 government over ours. Don't like, you know, don't damage that whole movement by jumping on shit.

00:37:15.500 That's like your way out over your skis here, man. Like you cannot prove this at all. And, and that,

00:37:21.200 that just, I think is a, I think it's a bad thing to do. And I think it's a, it's damaging to your own

00:37:28.380 cause in the long run and maybe not, but I think it might be. But on the, on the side of the,

00:37:33.540 you could also see why people would be skeptical of the mainstream narrative that it was a deranged,

00:37:38.040 a deranged leftist besides just the benefits and what country profits the most from Charlie

00:37:43.480 Kirk's death. If you like, remember the Patsy when we all thought it was the old guy who was saying,

00:37:47.820 kill me, kill me, arrest me. That was a Jew in a state, Utah, where the Jewish population is one of

00:37:52.800 the lowest out of any States in the country. Why was that guy there? Why was he immediately running

00:37:56.580 cover and redirecting police away from who the actual shooter was? Why people forgot about this

00:38:02.600 guy for a while. The whole internet was looking at this guy and saying, fuck this guy, like posting

00:38:06.760 pictures of him, insinuating he was a transgender. And then we moved on the new picture of this guy.

00:38:11.520 That's a, that's a, that's an interesting question. Again, like an interesting question.

00:38:15.320 It's, it's just, there's no coherent theory that you can build off of that, but sure. Okay. The guy was

00:38:21.340 there. I don't know. I saw people on Twitter saying he was a Jew. I don't even know if that's true or what

00:38:25.480 that indicates if he was, but I will say, Hey, the fact that there was a guy who maybe was there to

00:38:32.800 distract so the shooter could get away. Okay. That's, that's reason to ask some more questions

00:38:39.040 about that and see what the hell we can find out on that. That being said, also, I just know this

00:38:46.060 from being at a lot of political events. You get kooky people. There are kooky people who come out to

00:38:52.280 political events. There are people who are like weirdly, I don't know for also you get a

00:38:58.760 disproportionate amount of Jewish people who come out to political events. Um, just cause Jews happen

00:39:05.060 to be involved in like every facet of politics, including, I think Nazism these days, there's a

00:39:11.840 shocking amount of Jews involved. Um, yeah, you, but yeah, me, I mean, I think I believe I'm supposed

00:39:17.500 to be the head of all of them, um, of the Jewish Nazis. Uh, but, and, and so also you see someone

00:39:24.520 get their jugular blown out in front of you and some people freak out and do crazy shit. So like,

00:39:29.680 I'm not saying, I'm not saying like, maybe you're right. And maybe this is the key to some much,

00:39:33.920 much bigger conspiracy. It's just also like, well, it also is possible. Maybe not. It's also possible

00:39:40.700 that there was just an old guy who freaked the fuck out. I don't know if you've ever been to like a

00:39:43.900 political event of any kind that had like, say 300 people there, but there's like a few

00:39:48.880 weirdos in that crowd. And if someone got shot right in front of them, a lot of them might start

00:39:53.980 screaming crazy shit. So again, I'm not, I know, by the way, I can only hear this. I know people are

00:39:58.280 going, Oh, Dave's like running cover or something like this, but like, I'm just playing devil's

00:40:01.980 advocate, but maybe that is true. I thought it was interesting that the guy was able to get away.

00:40:05.900 I did think that was like kind of, you know, without any pictures of him on the scene,

00:40:10.060 the guy that the picture that's going around, there's no photos of him on the roof

00:40:13.100 or at the scene or with a gun. And I will say this just to, to jump on the other side

00:40:18.200 of this, but I did hear cause I, you know, I've, I've been talking to everybody lately and I did

00:40:24.840 hear from like, let's just say like three people who would know who are our sources that I trust

00:40:31.420 pretty much that did back up. Cause I was kind of going to them like, Hey, I think people are getting

00:40:36.800 a little ahead of themselves here and blaming Israel. And they were like, fair enough. But

00:40:42.440 I have heard from several sources that Charlie was like really scared for his life over how mad

00:40:49.880 Israel was at him. So again, I, you know, and that's what Blumenthal essentially was reporting

00:40:56.480 there with only one single source. And I think still being a little sloppy in his reporting, but

00:41:01.940 that is enough to go like, Hey, let's, let's not close that door for sure. I just think that like,

00:41:09.940 we, we shouldn't, you know, we just shouldn't pretend to know things that we don't know. We

00:41:14.780 should wait to, for more information to come in. We should see what this is. If we want to really

00:41:21.300 know what the truth is and we're not just trying to like, I'm just analyzing the information we have,

00:41:27.380 we don't have a picture. I think that's what we should do. We don't have a picture of that guy,

00:41:31.020 that young 22 year old, you know, with a gun or on the roof. We thought the Patsy was supposed to be

00:41:36.480 that guy. Why was he there? Why was he, was he able to operate and do this alone? It doesn't look

00:41:40.720 like that. If you factor in the Patsy, if it's a deranged leftist, how many deranged leftists are

00:41:45.340 really going to be that skilled with a sniper at that distance and be able to get away a lot of just

00:41:50.260 looking at the information in front of us. We still should keep waiting, but I think immediately

00:41:55.700 believing the mainstream narrative and believing what they're supposed to. Oh, no one should,

00:42:00.100 no one should immediately believe the mainstream narrative and almost, I mean, even further than

00:42:05.720 that, like almost certainly the mainstream narrative won't end up being correct. There'll be more to

00:42:11.260 this than meets the eye. And there'll be a lot that's kept secret by the government. And they'll

00:42:16.820 probably, you know, like with all these things I've, you know, I've lived through not quite this

00:42:22.140 before, but several big events like this. And it'll be it as time goes on, the government lies will

00:42:31.220 become more and more clear. And the coherent theory will emerge of like, okay, what could this have been?

00:42:37.400 What, you know, like, even if you think about like a lot of these things, like where, you know,

00:42:44.080 if you were talking about like the neoconservatives, like lying us into the war in Iraq, or if you were

00:42:49.680 talking about the USS Liberty, or you were talking about the Vietnam war, or if you were talking about

00:42:55.460 like, you know, like so many of these things, even JFK assassination, 9-11, all of these things,

00:43:01.180 there's over time, competing coherent theories start to emerge. And even those aren't necessarily

00:43:11.380 proven, like every one of them. But like, okay, you start to put together like a case of like,

00:43:17.320 okay, here's what could have plausibly happened. Here's where they're clearly lying to us. Here's

00:43:22.280 what we now know from declassified files. Here's what we now know. I'm just saying that like, in this

00:43:26.620 case, right now, we're working off. Like, if it was a skeleton, there's like two bones to the skeleton

00:43:33.600 right now, you know, and we're like trying to put this thing together. And we just really don't know

00:43:37.640 much. Right. So we'll see what what more comes out. We will, we can move on from from suspecting

00:43:45.600 everyone. I want to ask about Yeah, I mean, because, but at the same time, like, I'll just say this,

00:43:51.120 and we can move on. It's like, what nation has been, you know, very publicly capable of

00:43:56.180 assassinating leaders in planes, and other countries, just recently bombing a US ally in

00:44:02.060 Qatar, assassinating Hamas leadership, Iranian leadership, Yemeni leadership, possibly JFK,

00:44:08.240 which people are starting to realize there's one nation that's been extremely comfortable

00:44:11.860 knowing that they can get away with assassinating people in foreign territory.

00:44:15.140 Oh, there's no question about that. Look, I mean, Israel is the most kind of professional at

00:44:19.920 assassinations, targeted political assassinations. And so that's, that's a fair point. And yeah,

00:44:26.020 they sure are a war hungry country. And they sure do have a whole lot of pressure and influence on

00:44:35.720 Americans. Again, though, there's lots of political, there's lots of assassinations all

00:44:41.500 around the world. That's not anything that the Israelis invented. And so it's just not again,

00:44:46.080 this is just like, if you were building a case, if I were building a case, for any of the cases that I

00:44:53.140 ever lay out, like in public, and like, that was what I had was like, well, these guys sure do like

00:44:58.580 to kill people, and someone was killed, like, okay, that's, that's reason enough. If you're like

00:45:04.840 a police officer to be like, I'm gonna start following this guy. But it's not even close to

00:45:11.140 like, I'm ready to bring charges, let alone get a conviction in the court of law or something like

00:45:16.560 that. So like, it's not, but yeah, look, dude, I mean, who can argue with that? I mean, Israel has

00:45:23.800 Yeah, I mean, it's like, unbelievable, dude. And in two years, this country, they always say the size

00:45:29.940 of New Jersey, and this little tiny country, it's like, this country has literally, they have destroyed

00:45:35.480 Gaza, they have attacked the West Bank, they've bombed Lebanon, and Yemen, and Syria, and Iran,

00:45:45.080 and what the, what am I missing? Maybe there's more Qatar? Oh, yeah, Qatar. That's right. I'm sorry.

00:45:52.880 Lost count. This is so, so last week of me. That's right. Qatar as well. And so, you know,

00:45:59.620 yeah, I understand where looking at them, like, if you wanted to put them on your short list of like,

00:46:06.340 let's start investigating those people. I'm not arguing with you on that.

00:46:09.600 Absolutely. And it's just, we'll see what comes out in the near future. But it's, it's,

00:46:18.540 do you think that how dystopian is all this? Do you find it hard to do your jokes and stuff like when,

00:46:24.980 or are we getting to the point where reality is more, seems more fictional than anything you could

00:46:29.040 write or anything you can satirize?

00:46:30.380 Yeah. You know, I mean, I've been having fun with it for years now, but the, the, you know,

00:46:37.920 the last few days have thrown me for a loop, but it does, uh, it, there's a lot, I guess just a lot

00:46:45.220 feels surreal. And then as you get like, as, as you pile more and more surreal things onto each other,

00:46:53.660 it's almost like you lose like your trail of breadcrumbs back to where you were. Like,

00:46:58.640 you're like, what the fuck? I mean, I'm still getting over. Like, I mean, I remember nine 11

00:47:04.920 feeling surreal, you know, when I was a kid, but like the fact that COVID lockdowns were like five

00:47:11.520 years ago and we still haven't had a moment to just breathe off of that, to just go, Hey,

00:47:17.980 that was crazy. What happened back there? Because the next thing in front of us was always even

00:47:23.240 crazier and crazier and crazier. And it does make you wonder like, how long can you sustain

00:47:29.340 a society like this where everything is just constantly like one upping the last thing?

00:47:37.140 I don't think it's good. We haven't even had time. George Floyd was around the same time.

00:47:42.940 It was the same time as COVID. I'm seeing a lot of comparisons because people feel like,

00:47:48.600 okay, you guys joked about George Floyd and you say that he called him fentanyl Floyd. And

00:47:52.980 you know, shouldn't have been memorialized that way. If you guys were making jokes about

00:47:57.380 George Floyd and not memorializing him, then we can joke about Charlie Kirk. Do you think

00:48:02.940 there's a fair comparison there? Well, it's definitely not a one-to-one. I mean, like that,

00:48:09.360 you know, like even as like George Floyd was killed, like, even if you want to like leave aside

00:48:17.840 the argument of like the world where there were the two competing autopsy reports or whatever,

00:48:22.900 like, let's just say that for the sake of argument, like the cop killed him with his knee

00:48:26.720 still. And even let's say the cop was totally out of line and wrong to throw him to the ground and

00:48:34.780 knee on his neck or whatever. Still, like it was a dude committing a crime who had a long history of

00:48:40.240 criminal activity who had like what, like robbed his pregnant, a pregnant chick or something like

00:48:46.000 that. Breaking and entering, fell out of jail. Okay. So like, no, that is a bit different from

00:48:51.300 a Christian preaching free speech, getting marked out in front of everybody. So like, obviously there's

00:48:57.220 a difference there. Now you could probably find a better example where like, there's just been tragic

00:49:03.020 things that happen that people online make jokes about that we, we might just chuckle at. And this

00:49:10.320 one might've hit a little bit closer to home. And maybe there is some example where there's like

00:49:14.960 some hypocrisy and being like, well, it's not funny now that it means something to me or something like

00:49:20.560 that, but no, like, it's just such a stupid lefty comparison that you're just like, no, these are two

00:49:25.880 different people with different stories. And also like George Floyd didn't fucking get shot while his wife

00:49:30.840 and kids were watching him and bleed out for the crime of saying, let's have a free speech event

00:49:36.320 about controversial issues. It's just like, so yeah, like if you want to make the argument that

00:49:43.280 you should be able to make fucked up jokes about anything, no matter what, I will probably end up

00:49:49.060 agreeing with you on that argument, but don't make the argument that George Floyd and Charlie Kirk were

00:49:54.940 the same thing. And therefore, if you made jokes about this, it's okay to make jokes about that.

00:50:00.160 Cause that's just stupid and dishonest. And in fact, like just dishonest. Cause you're not

00:50:05.240 actually that stupid. No one making that argument is actually stupid enough to not see the difference

00:50:09.540 between the two. I just, I saw Charleston white use that as a defense because he got a lot of

00:50:14.540 backlash for, you know, he was just comparing it to George Floyd and people like, yeah, facts, but

00:50:19.760 just, okay. This was a good father. I disagree with Charlie Kirk nonstop, but clearly like politics aside

00:50:25.280 was a good father cared about his family, comparing him to a drug addict criminal who robbed pregnant

00:50:30.260 ladies in and out of prison, who was a deadbeat father. That's just disingenuous. So, but I mean,

00:50:36.740 that, that is the narrative that they're running with. And I I've been kind of in shock and I'm

00:50:40.320 wondering how you are since this happened, just really realizing and understanding and it's being

00:50:45.640 exposed. How many people don't have the same empathy that I thought they had. I thought that like,

00:50:51.600 this really unlocked the truth about where everybody's at. Yeah. Look, I mean, I guess

00:50:58.860 like there, there have been several things right over the last few years that have kind of revealed

00:51:04.720 that, but this was definitely one more of those things. And I will say, and then part of the

00:51:09.620 reason why, and I don't even mean to like, I'm not like trying to lump all you guys together or

00:51:14.420 anything like that. Like, honestly, like I don't know enough about you and your whole world, but I

00:51:19.180 don't think I'm supposed to, cause I'm like a 42 year old dad and like, I'm supposed to be in my

00:51:23.280 own world doing my own thing. But one of the things that's just been really remarkable to me,

00:51:28.900 and this is part of the reason why I wanted to do this stream with you. And part of the reason why

00:51:32.900 I've been like, uh, you know, publicly given Nick Fuentes a lot of credit, uh, over the last few days

00:51:39.580 is because there isn't, there's something, there's just something so fascinating to me about like,

00:51:45.260 what's revealed in a moment like this. And then that you guys who I guess in some, like

00:51:50.240 in your caricaturized way are supposed to be like the young, hateful, like radicalized guys

00:51:57.160 are the ones sitting here going like, Hey man, like no one should get killed like this. And

00:52:01.800 even though this guy was kind of like my political opponent, like Jesus, this is horrible. And I don't

00:52:07.780 know. There's just something, there's something about that contrast between what the, um, what

00:52:15.320 the like purported archetype is and what the reality is. That's just so interesting to like, see that

00:52:23.000 like, Oh, actually every single goddamn neoliberal professional on MSNBC and CNN and the, you know,

00:52:32.180 like just all throughout like liberal America, none of them can like bring themselves to just say

00:52:40.780 this was horrible. Like they all have to add some little, like now while he was a transphobe,

00:52:48.040 I suppose transphobes shouldn't be murdered, but you also have to think about the harm that that

00:52:53.560 causes transgender, you know, and you're like, geez. So you're like kind of not justifying it,

00:52:58.400 but edging at least a little bit of like, well, it's kind of understand. And then you have like

00:53:04.100 what are supposed to be the young, irresponsible, like kind of immature racist crowd or something

00:53:11.320 like that being like, Hey, let's have like some basic decency here. And I just find that contrast to

00:53:17.780 be interesting and something that at least if, if I'm in the position that I'm in, I at least think

00:53:26.600 my role is to go like, Hey, that's worth pointing out. And that's worth giving these guys credit for

00:53:32.080 and, and kind of, you know, reassessing how you feel about them. Not that I'm reassessing, but just

00:53:37.440 like to say to other people that maybe you should. And so, yeah, I don't know. And, and as far as like

00:53:44.120 the left wingers, you know, cause it's, I'm, I'm more angry, honestly, about those people on CNN still

00:53:50.800 in those, but you know, as far as like the left wingers on Tik TOK or something like that, you

00:53:55.660 know, for the most part, these are just like really just mentally ill, disturbed, profound,

00:54:03.020 profoundly unhappy people. And so that it is, yes, there are a lot of them. I think the bigger,

00:54:08.740 you know, like kind of takeaway there is just like, dude, we have a real problem with mental illness in

00:54:14.140 this country. And also we have a specifically a problem with the mental illness that the regime

00:54:20.200 has perpetuated over the last like 15 years. And that's a real issue we're going to have to deal

00:54:26.820 with going forward as a country, but I don't, that doesn't get me quite as like angry. It just gets

00:54:32.800 me more like, yo, that's fucking sad. Like imagine being that person that's like, you know, this is

00:54:40.880 profoundly pathetic, but it does make me worry that like that, that is a percentage of the

00:54:47.120 population. Yeah. Thanks for saying that because it reevaluated, you know, what I, or I would say

00:54:53.300 reinforce the ideas I know about my friends, guys like Myron, like Nick, that all had the, you know,

00:54:58.900 an empathetic reaction. And myself, I was, I was devastated when I saw what happened. And this is

00:55:03.520 coming from a guy who literally the day before I was shitting on Charlie Kirk, I was making fun of him.

00:55:08.520 I criticized him nonstop. I was always going, but as soon as I saw what happened, I was devastated.

00:55:14.000 I thought everybody was going to be, it was, I was so surprising to me that people find out,

00:55:18.500 found that to be a divisive issue and people that they've labeled as hateful influencers had the

00:55:23.240 reaction that I knew that they would have because they're my friends. And those are the people I want

00:55:26.860 to be around, but the people that classify us as hateful and, you know, always come on a moral,

00:55:32.340 you know, high ground and grandstand and virtue signal. They were the ones laughing. And even weirder

00:55:37.940 where so many of these like pro-Palestine people, these pro-Palestine leftists who

00:55:41.480 cry about the dying kids, which is a tragedy will also laugh at his death. It's like, wait,

00:55:47.200 if you really care about death and you really care about, you know, unneeded violence and murder,

00:55:52.100 then show some compassion here. Your empathy can't just go in one direction. It has to be

00:55:57.680 universal. It has to be unanimous, but they can't see.

00:56:00.680 That's right. That's right. So like, and, and how the, you know, whatever this, this is just like

00:56:04.660 so basic, but I would say to those people, um, for anybody who's like on the pro-Palestine

00:56:12.640 left, who's also celebrating the Charlie Kirk thing. And I say this, I think I got a little bit

00:56:17.440 of credibility to say this because I, I went to Charlie Kirk's big event and looked his audience

00:56:23.860 in their eyes and Charlie Kirk in his eyes and said to all of them that if you're, if you're

00:56:29.440 going to support what Israel's doing in Gaza right now, don't ever tell me you're pro-life for the

00:56:35.300 rest of your goddamn existence, you know, like don't ever. And you will like, that is, you are

00:56:40.360 the biggest joke in the world. If you ever again, try to say, I care about being pro-life after you've

00:56:46.620 supported just fucking slaughtering captive people with all their goddamn babies, taking out each

00:56:53.920 hospital one by one, and then shooting at the kids as they're trying to get food. Just like

00:56:58.380 the most ungodly biblical level evil event you could imagine. But like, okay, right. Like to the,

00:57:06.800 on the, the other side, the inverse and equal opposite of that is like, wait, you guys who are

00:57:14.080 standing up for the babies there are going to celebrate as Charlie's two babies just had their

00:57:19.560 goddamn father executed in front of them. Like, you know, like on any human level. And that's, I mean,

00:57:25.200 a big part to me of like what, uh, you know, touched me or rattled me so much about this thing

00:57:31.140 is like, I mean, part of it's that I knew Charlie and he was always very, a very decent person to me,

00:57:36.060 but also just that, like, you know, I got a wife and two little kids just like him.

00:57:39.920 And imagine like, you know, to me to, to go like, you know, whatever anyone would ever want to do to

00:57:47.320 me for any of my political views. And I'm quite a bit more radical than Charlie Kirk was, you know,

00:57:52.960 like I, uh, and for whatever anyone would want to do to me, but like, you'd want to do it to them.

00:57:59.540 You know, like I have, I have my image of them in my mind. Like you guys don't know, cause I don't

00:58:03.980 put them out there publicly, but like I have my image. It's like, just like the sweetest, like wife

00:58:08.440 who just literally like, whatever my issues are, you know, whatever I'm like every day, I'm thinking

00:58:13.840 about how like the federal reserve lowering interest rates is going to create a boom in the housing

00:58:17.940 economy and how Netanyahu is about to spark another war in Iran or something like that. My wife is like

00:58:23.960 thinking about making a sourdough bread and a soup with my, our kids. And like, she's thinking about

00:58:29.780 like, they're just doing sweet things being like a little girl and a little boy and their

00:58:33.960 loving mother. And you're like, you would want that to happen to them. And so that's the thing

00:58:38.940 to me that no matter even how you felt about Charlie Kirk, you'd be like, if you're going

00:58:43.160 to be the, like, stop bombing the kids people, well, you're the biggest fucking hypocrite in

00:58:47.860 the world. Like, please get out of this fucking movement forever. If you don't care about two

00:58:53.300 little kids in this situation, cause that's the whole thing, right? The whole thing is that

00:58:56.920 it's just that times a hundred thousand in Gaza. Like, it's just that it's just little

00:59:02.100 kids being traumatized by seeing all this shit around them. That's what we're against.

00:59:06.600 So what was surprising? I don't know if you were shocked by this as well, but it's the

00:59:10.420 fact that people can't see the bigger picture regardless of what you think about Charlie

00:59:14.200 Kirk and his political opinions. It's that as soon as I saw that one of the biggest proponents,

00:59:19.020 you know, promoting biggest guys, promoting free speech, open dialogue discourse on a college

00:59:23.140 campus, speaking to people in a respectful way. He was not a rage baiter. He was

00:59:26.900 very moderate. The fact that he was shot in front of that whole crowd that way is not only,

00:59:32.000 you know, an assassination of himself, but it damages free speech forever. It it's an attack

00:59:38.420 on democracy. It's an attack on dialogue. It's an attack on being able to communicate with

00:59:43.200 different people that separates us. And the fact that people can't see how this is going to have

00:59:48.780 a ripple effect immediately, this changes the way we speak to people forever in America.

00:59:53.480 It changes what we think about free speech, what we think about debate. So regardless of

00:59:59.200 what you think, if you want to pray for him, if you don't want to pray for him, look at how this

01:00:02.620 is going to affect our country. And if you don't care about America, America very clearly sets the

01:00:07.320 trend for the rest of the world. This has a lasting impact and we should all acknowledge that no matter

01:00:12.420 what you think. Yeah, I, I, I agree. And I think that, I mean, there's just something about it that

01:00:18.580 is just the, the imagery of it. Like the, the, you know, this was like the first thing I said on my

01:00:24.820 show about it was, was just that it's like, you have like, you know, the guy at a college campus,

01:00:33.660 like at an institution of higher learning sitting out. And the whole concept of the event is like,

01:00:40.080 I will stake out a controversial opinion and I will hear from those who disagree and we will have

01:00:46.320 a back and forth of ideas. And then to get sniped out, like, it's like a rejection of the foundational

01:00:52.820 organizing principle of the nation, you know, like the first amendment, there's something just so

01:00:58.820 profound about that. And, you know, look, there's, and, and this is, again, this is part of the thing

01:01:05.620 that I just appreciated so much about Nick's episode. And, you know, there's an interesting

01:01:10.920 thing where like, even, you know, even when say there were people out there that were trying to

01:01:17.400 say, this was a Groyper who, who shot, you know, Charlie Kirk, which like, you almost go like, look,

01:01:24.260 say for the sake of argument, let's say it was, that still wouldn't be an indictment of Nick Fuentes

01:01:30.980 or, or anyone else per se. Like no one's response. I'm not listening. If I, I've been sitting here,

01:01:38.600 maybe my message hasn't been exactly the same as Nick's. It certainly is a little bit different,

01:01:42.760 but there's certainly groups of people who I'm telling you to hate. Like I'm telling you to hate

01:01:47.240 neocons and war hawks and corrupt politicians and people in the corporate media. But if someone

01:01:52.120 listening to me goes and kills one of them, that's not my fault. Like, I don't know, like you get in

01:01:57.960 hindsight, you could always go, Oh, you stoked hatred against them. But you'd be like, well,

01:02:02.040 they deserve the hatred. I was stoking against that. I don't know. I wasn't telling anybody to

01:02:05.940 kill them. Like anyone, no one is at fault for if one of their listeners goes and does something

01:02:12.280 that they weren't saying they should do. But let's just say for the sake of argument, let's say it was

01:02:17.300 a Groyper. Well, then shouldn't you be giving, shouldn't you be giving him even more credit for

01:02:22.620 saying if like publicly saying to his audience, if any of you act in violence as a response to this,

01:02:29.760 I disown you. I disavow you in the strongest possible terms. Like, I think that's an important

01:02:35.060 thing for all of us to say right now that like, don't respond to this with violence because look,

01:02:42.140 the truth is that it's not written in stone that the answer from this has to be, which is the obvious

01:02:48.380 kind of thought that, well, look, this guy tried free speech and he got killed. So I guess that's

01:02:55.800 it for free speech. Like you could see where like a young man could very easily go to that, like,

01:03:00.820 okay, but I think what all of us should be together and saying is like, don't do that. That's actually

01:03:06.440 stupid. And that's how we lose. And that's, if there is a bigger plot to all of this, that's what

01:03:12.040 the plot is, is that you'll respond in that way. And then they can crack down like this. Like,

01:03:17.680 look, if it is a conspiracy, whether Israeli run or not, which again, if I got some, anyone has some

01:03:25.860 real evidence for that, I'll be the first one to jump on pushing that to the masses. But if it was

01:03:31.080 a conspiracy, CIA or Israeli or big corporations or gangsters or whoever, well, then obviously the

01:03:37.820 goal of this is to spark off chaos. And in the same way, like, as like terrorist attacks are always

01:03:44.380 asymmetrical attacks, trying to get you to overreact to that attack, like don't fall into

01:03:49.820 that. And so anyway, I guess I just say that to say that it's not a given that the response to this

01:03:56.720 has to be, well, therefore free speech is over. And in fact, it could be the response to this is that

01:04:03.000 the overwhelming majority of people are so horrified at this being the reaction to someone

01:04:08.580 just speak in their mind that this makes the free speech crowd gain like enormously more power.

01:04:16.260 And like, I think like, if there isn't, if there isn't a violent reaction to this, and instead we just

01:04:22.400 try to get the person responsible, get down to the bottom of it. I think that the, what's going to

01:04:28.840 happen is that there'll be a lot of people who like a lot more people will, will be persuaded by the

01:04:35.260 idea that like, yeah, it's actually pretty horrible to shoot someone in the neck for just trying to

01:04:40.120 spread ideas. At least that's what I hope.

01:04:43.060 I was really disappointed in, not all of them, but there were a lot of really pro-Palestine people

01:04:48.180 in my community and across the internet. When I said I was praying for Charlie Kirk, they said,

01:04:52.300 well, I'm Muslim. And they're like, okay, we can't pray for, for Kufar. But then the same crowd will

01:04:57.620 also say Israel did this, Israel did this. And there's value. I mean, I think that people can come to

01:05:02.240 that conclusion. If you look at how Netanyahu went on Fox news and said it was radical Islamist,

01:05:06.800 it follows the playbook that happened on 9-11. It was blamed on radical Islamist to go into Iraq

01:05:11.220 and Iran and Afghanistan. But we figured out that, wait, actually they don't have weapons of mass

01:05:16.060 destruction. That was Netanyahu. That was him going in front of US Congress saying that they had

01:05:20.440 weapons of mass destruction using radical Islamist. But these people will also feed. So if you think

01:05:27.520 it's Israel. But just dude, but that doesn't prove nothing. I'm not saying anything. I'm not saying

01:05:33.280 it's because let's just be, I'm not saying your point. Look, there's no, listen, dude, it's bad

01:05:37.780 enough. The case that we have that we can prosecute is bad enough. Absolutely. Netanyahu manipulated at

01:05:45.980 the very least the results of September 11th. He said he was glad. He said he was happy it happened.

01:05:52.820 He said it was good for his interests. And then he proceeded to lie through his fucking teeth to say

01:05:58.840 that the, the regimes that he already wanted overthrown were the ones who were in bed with it

01:06:04.800 and lied America into war. Like that's bad enough. All I'm saying is that like, it does not follow that

01:06:11.480 that's the playbook. It doesn't prove it. It's not even evidence. It's just like, Oh, it fell in a way

01:06:18.260 it fell into his lap. If he, if he wasn't involved, it fell right into his lap. And of course,

01:06:23.280 what else was he going to do? Like if you're Netanyahu, even if you had nothing to do with 9-11

01:06:28.280 and like, look, there were some Mossad agents tracking some people, that's really the essence

01:06:33.700 of what we know. That's the most we can really prove, you know, that there were Mossad here and

01:06:38.980 they were kind of following some of these people. What exactly they knew when their information came in

01:06:44.380 is all still very murky, but still that's enough to like, we don't need more than that.

01:06:49.940 And so all I'm saying is that it doesn't prove at all that like, if you, if someone drops a million

01:06:56.840 dollars on my front porch and I take it and bring it inside, that does not prove that I was in on them

01:07:04.640 bringing the money there, but it does still prove that I was not honest enough to fucking tell you

01:07:10.120 that that was just dropped on my porch. And in this case, we're talking about using it to get

01:07:14.860 America into wars. So all I'm saying is like, yeah, sure. Sure. My, my point was for the people

01:07:22.840 that believe that it was Israel or the CIA, right. That for them to also say, you know,

01:07:29.260 fuck Charlie Kirk and celebrate and not see the bigger. So it's like, if you believe my voice,

01:07:33.680 really, really, if you believe that it was Israel and then you're also saying, okay, I hate Charlie

01:07:39.640 Kirk, he did this. Then you are feeding into their playbook, right? Because if it was them,

01:07:43.840 they want chaos, they want anger, they want division. So by you not showing empathy and not

01:07:49.460 trying to fight back against the chaos that they are trying to provoke, if you believe that they did

01:07:53.340 it, you are letting them win and you are playing into their hand. That's my point.

01:07:57.020 Yeah. No, that no. And look, that's a really good point. Cause I don't even understand how you in

01:08:01.080 your mind would be like, it was Netanyahu, but still Charlie Kirk's the bad guy or something like that.

01:08:06.740 I don't even get how they would think that, but I do think like they're probably look whether let's

01:08:13.900 just say hypothetically that all the shit we knew was going on with Charlie Kirk was going, which,

01:08:20.400 which we know was going on with him, where there was at least some degree of a, an internal battle.

01:08:27.760 And even if that internal battle was just like, how the fuck do I keep my young audience and keep

01:08:32.640 these donors or whatever? And maybe it was more than that. Maybe it was him really being like,

01:08:37.360 this is actually kind of messed up. And I don't know how I feel about this foreign government

01:08:41.680 having so much influence, whatever the battle was. I think like the, one of the lessons to like

01:08:48.240 all the people, like all, all of us, like the people who have audiences and do like shows like

01:08:55.400 these is like, always remember man, like getting in bed with any type, type of partnership

01:09:02.540 has hidden costs that you may not see at the time. You know, like there are all types of things

01:09:10.800 where like, you know, I know, like I've, I've been doing what I do for a long time. I mean,

01:09:18.620 I've, so I started standup comedy 20 years ago and I started, I was podcasting in 2011, I think

01:09:27.160 is when we started. It's like, I've been doing, you know, I've been doing what I do for a long time.

01:09:31.620 And it was just like, step by step, by step, by step, by step, by step, like getting a little bit

01:09:35.760 more successful and more successful and a little bit bigger and a little bit bigger. Um, and there

01:09:40.360 were people who like, just like skyrocketed, you know? And a lot of times the people who skyrocket

01:09:47.240 are the people who make deals with big investors and big companies and things like this. And it

01:09:53.840 just, you know, there is something to be said for like the cautionary tale there is like you,

01:10:02.380 you might be what you're getting from that. You, you may have no idea what the costs in the future

01:10:09.240 are that are associated with that. And you might be put in a position where you never can actually

01:10:14.400 tell the truth and like the most important moment, you know, and like, and you, and it

01:10:18.740 might actually ruin you or like destroy you inside. And it might be the whole reason that

01:10:23.960 you got into this to begin with ends up getting canceled out. And it's real easy to tell yourself

01:10:29.320 a story. Like if something's going to, going to make your life much easier immediately, you

01:10:34.460 go, well, I'll just do this. And then when I get there, I'll be in a position where I can

01:10:39.120 be fine, but it's not that easy. And I, sorry, you finished. No, no, no, go ahead.

01:10:45.900 I was asking, have you been offered a deal like that in your career?

01:10:49.720 I've had a few, I've had a few offers come in where it was like, no, I'm not going to do that.

01:10:54.580 Cause that would be getting me too attached to a thing. Um, and I don't know, you know, again,

01:11:00.020 I don't know that I was right to turn them down and it might have been that there were no strings

01:11:05.560 attached at all at the end of it. But yeah, I, without getting into specifics, I've had a couple

01:11:09.980 offers that were like, Ooh, that'd be pretty sweet, but I can't get like this close to that

01:11:17.040 energy. Right. How have you noticed? Cause yeah, you're, you're one of the OG podcasters.

01:11:23.160 You started out in 2011, you were podcasting with, with Rogan that early too.

01:11:28.560 No, I didn't put, I, my first podcast with Rogan was like in 2016, I think. Okay. But I started,

01:11:34.380 I started doing like my own, I started doing Legion of skanks might've been 2010. And then I think I

01:11:40.640 started part of the problem in 2011 or 2012, some, somewhere right around there.

01:11:46.360 So you've seen the shift where podcasting went from comedians talking shit, you know,

01:11:50.640 kind of a transition from standup comedy. It went from like comics being able to riff to

01:11:55.040 something that influences elections and is at the forefront of geopolitics.

01:12:01.000 Where, where does it go from here? Especially what happened to Charlie Kirk is, you know,

01:12:05.900 is a mark on that. This guy was a podcast. It was a streamer, was one of us. How does,

01:12:11.140 where does podcasting grow from when I went from people smoking weed in a room to now what it is?

01:12:16.740 Well, it's, I mean, it's become, it's really, you know, it's weird. Cause like Charlie was one of us,

01:12:23.640 but he was one of us, but he was also one of them.

01:12:26.340 And when I, when I say that is that you, you have like, you know, there's the people there's

01:12:31.800 Tucker Carlson and then there's, you know, Laura Loomer, you know, there's like, there's the guy

01:12:38.860 who's giving his opinions and there's the one who's trying to hang out in the room with all the

01:12:43.180 fucking political people. And like Charlie Kirk was both of those things, which is a tough thing to do,

01:12:48.980 especially these days. But I mean, I think that this is, this is it. This is the new media.

01:12:59.900 The old media is absolutely dead and never coming back. And I think that, you know,

01:13:07.460 within this new media landscape, I'm not sure where exactly things are going to go,

01:13:12.540 but I do think that like, you know, there the fact that like, dude, I don't even know the site

01:13:21.200 that we're on right now. When you sent me the link or whatever, I was like, I don't even know what this

01:13:26.620 is. And you're huge on this site. Like, there's just all these shows now that are huge that like

01:13:32.820 older people like me, like just don't even know of they're like, Oh, and, and there's just a massive,

01:13:40.240 massive decentralization in the, uh, the way people consume information that I don't think

01:13:46.520 is going away. And what's great about that is that you can get away from all the bullshit that

01:13:54.000 was in all the centralized, you know, uh, mediums of distribution for information. But the, the issue

01:14:00.680 is that now, you know, people get wild with what they're saying. And, and I think there's a lack of

01:14:07.160 precision with a lot of like popular, you know, hosts of shows. So I don't know exactly where it's

01:14:15.100 going. I, I'm, I think that it at least gives us the opportunity for something a lot better than what

01:14:21.800 we used to have. Um, but you know, I think that's, it's like, there is a bit of a responsibility on all

01:14:28.060 of us to try to just like, you know, do as good a job as you can with like telling the truth and,

01:14:34.560 and saying what's right. And, and there's all types of perverse incentives now that are fucking

01:14:39.360 everybody up. I think like there's all type there that like all that audience capture and things

01:14:44.080 like that, that is a real phenomenon. I mean, I've seen that with so many people now where it's just

01:14:49.300 like, whatever they're jumping on, you could see, like, if they just jump on it more, they're it,

01:14:56.180 their shit's going to get picked up more and more, and it's going to do better and better numbers.

01:14:59.620 And so we'll have to, you know, we'll have to grapple with all these problems, but at least

01:15:04.320 it's led to like an exposing of the corrupt system, like never before. So I do love that.

01:15:11.680 How do you reevaluate your career and your, I'm sure you've done a lot of self-reflecting and

01:15:17.820 analysis. I'm sure that I'm just assuming you've been thinking about this a lot in the last four

01:15:23.460 days. How do you reevaluate? Well, I mean, I don't know. I, you know, I've, I've been trying my

01:15:29.440 best to, for the most part, to just think about the personal over the last few days, like, you

01:15:34.860 know, just being like, um, you know, like I just went out, I spent the day today with my, my wife

01:15:42.420 and my kids and was just like extra, I think extra grateful for just having a day with my wife and my

01:15:47.080 kids. Cause you know, you never know when that might be the last one you have. And we all kind

01:15:51.900 of act like we think we got a lot more of them coming, but none of them are guaranteed. And even if all

01:15:57.180 of them come where it's going to be over at some point. So like things like this, I try, I try for

01:16:02.060 the most part to think about the personal and to try to find some moments during the day to like pray

01:16:07.440 for Charlie's family and hope that those kids are doing okay. And his wife's doing okay. Um, and uh,

01:16:14.260 you know, his wife's out there and whatever she's doing, but you're like, Hey, you work through this

01:16:18.560 in whatever way you got to, I suppose. Um, but you know, going forward, I don't know. I don't know

01:16:28.940 exactly like what the change is. I mean, I guess to some degree, you know, I, I would like to say

01:16:34.380 that I'd like to say, Hey, let's think about the things we say before we say them. But honestly,

01:16:42.820 I don't, I don't really think that's something that's going to change in my, the way I taught

01:16:49.120 going forward. I still think my mission is the same, which is to tell the truth. And the shit

01:16:53.720 that I tell the truth about gets you angry a lot. Cause like you should be angry about it. And I don't

01:17:00.560 think that, um, I, I think that things like this are a result of one way or the other, a result of

01:17:10.660 how goddamn crazy the whole regime has driven this nation. And that to me is the thing that we

01:17:17.960 all got to fight against. So going forward in a way, I guess I'll try to like, take the best of

01:17:24.960 what Charlie Kirk stood for in my mind and try to incorporate that more than anything else. At least

01:17:30.780 this, at least just a few days in the thing that's in my mind is like, just appreciate every day you

01:17:36.240 got here, man. Cause you don't, you know, none of us know, and it may not be in quite as dramatic

01:17:41.300 a way as Charlie, but none of us know how we might go out. Yeah. It's, I mean, family time is what do

01:17:49.020 they say? Time with your family is never wasted time. Yeah, absolutely. And Matt, thanks a lot for

01:17:56.060 coming on. I appreciate you. This was, I was not really expecting you to say yes. To be honest with

01:18:01.640 you. When I, when I, when I reached out to Jake Shields that I was apprehensive, uh, to even

01:18:06.720 responding, but yeah, thanks for coming on. Um, you're, I would love to, to do this again sometime.

01:18:11.800 I love what you're doing. Yeah. You've done, done a very good job exposing APAC and you know,

01:18:17.680 what Nanyahu is doing and it must not be easy. I'm sure the self-hating Jew comments probably get to

01:18:22.200 you a little bit. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's, I don't know, dude, I'm sure you get a lot of the

01:18:27.880 same stuff to, uh, being whatever you are in the world that you are being, whatever the hell,

01:18:33.700 whatever the hell, uh, you are Sneeko in the world. But you know, it's like, uh, I guess to

01:18:38.140 some degree and at some point, but it also like at some point, I think just like the more, I don't

01:18:43.200 know, just like something about being a man at a certain point, especially when it's like on the

01:18:47.680 internet and shit like this, you're like, well, what are you, you're not going to bully me out of

01:18:52.640 saying what I believe with nonsense. Like if you, I don't know, I'm just the type of guy,

01:18:57.540 I guess I have enough of a touch of autism that I'm just like, like if you presented a superior

01:19:02.740 argument to mine, that'll keep me up at night and I'll be like, ah, fuck, I really got to think

01:19:08.120 about that. But if you just go, you probably, you're a self-hating Jew. It's like, well, no,

01:19:13.700 I'm not. I know that. Yeah. So like, I know I'm not, what do you mean? I hate myself. I hate my family.

01:19:19.500 No, I fucking don't, you know? And like, so I don't know. It's yeah. Look, dude, there's a lot of

01:19:24.320 shit we deal with, but at the same time, I don't know. I got a pretty great life. And so

01:19:31.040 I'm really actually pretty lucky. I get to do what I love to do. And the worst I got to put up with is

01:19:36.360 some retards online saying dumb shit. So, okay. Like, don't you kind of feel that way too? A whole

01:19:42.520 lot of people hate you, but like, you're kind of winning in this game. So what the fuck?

01:19:47.320 And I hardly ever see them. It's always, it's always very positive. I'm outside and the most

01:19:52.680 liberal and also the second most Jewish place in the world after the New Jersey and the Middle East,

01:19:56.800 New York city has a lot of people that probably disagree with me, but it's always good. So

01:20:01.880 we are blessed. Is there, is there, where can we find you? Is there anything you want to,

01:20:06.640 any closing thoughts you have? No, man. Fine. You know, out on the internet, wherever part of the

01:20:11.540 problem, Legion of Skanks, all that stuff. But yeah, dude, it was really good to talk to you,

01:20:15.000 man. And I'd love to do this again sometime. Okay. God bless. Be safe out here and keep

01:20:19.920 fighting the good fight, Dave. I appreciate it. All right. Same to you, brother. All right.

SNEAKO - September 15, 2025

SNEAKO's Full Interview With Comedian Dave Smith

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