SNEAKO - SNEAKO's Full Interview With Owen Shroyer

00:00:00.000 I've been wanting to talk to you for a while, and I think now is the crucial time.

00:00:04.100 Cool.

00:00:04.600 Yeah, let's do this.

00:00:06.100 So a lot's been going on with you personally, but also, you know, in the country, there's

00:00:11.580 a lot going on.

00:00:12.420 I'm not sure where I should start exactly.

00:00:14.760 Well, first off, how about how about this?

00:00:17.560 It's funny because this is the first time we're speaking.

00:00:20.980 You know, I my I obviously knew who you were, but my perception of you was always like kind

00:00:27.440 of like just the cool guy that everybody liked.

00:00:29.780 Like I always saw videos of you, you know, out on the streets with people smiling, whatever.

00:00:35.200 And so my perception of you was like, oh, this is kind of just a cool guy.

00:00:38.420 And then when I posted that I was coming on your stream, I started getting, I guess, your

00:00:43.680 haters or people that didn't like you.

00:00:45.400 I didn't realize that you got put through the political meat grinder.

00:00:48.360 I didn't realize that you had to go through a political meat grinder.

00:00:51.180 So, I mean, that's kind of the theme of your show tonight is is American politics and ploding.

00:00:56.320 It's like you can't even avoid it.

00:00:58.120 You know, you can't even avoid it.

00:00:59.480 Yeah, it's impossible.

00:01:00.360 I mean, I like to do regular content and cool guy content, I guess.

00:01:03.900 And I'm around New York City all the time.

00:01:05.780 I'm interacting with people.

00:01:06.900 I do my show, the one minute podcast, do these vlogs.

00:01:09.760 And I guess people a lot of people do perceive me that way.

00:01:11.900 But I mean, you know, as well as I do that.

00:01:15.020 How could you not talk about what's happening in this country and in the world?

00:01:18.840 It's literally impossible to ignore.

00:01:21.220 I didn't expect to ever go down the politics route.

00:01:24.800 And so I looked through the replies right before you jumped on.

00:01:28.980 I was looking at the replies, your tweet, wondering like how your audience was going to receive it.

00:01:31.880 What did you see?

00:01:32.440 I'm just people like, oh, why?

00:01:35.660 Or he's a punk or, you know, like it was somehow a bad thing.

00:01:38.700 And I mean, I'm like, I'll talk to anybody.

00:01:40.820 You know, I've always been of the mind that I'll talk to anybody.

00:01:44.040 If they have a political disagreement, I might even be more willing to talk to them, actually, because usually that can be fun, especially for a political debate or a show or a live stream.

00:01:54.100 But no, I didn't I just didn't expect I didn't expect people to to have a negative reaction to that.

00:01:59.400 But it's just everybody, you know, and that's and that's one thing that I've learned in the political media where it's just like if you do an interview with somebody, you know, somebody is going to come after you a year, two years, five years later.

00:02:12.940 And it's like, oh, my gosh, you interviewed this person.

00:02:15.200 Look at what they said here.

00:02:16.180 And it's like, I talked to a person like what you know, how am I supposed to know everything they're going to say for their entire life?

00:02:23.180 Yeah.

00:02:24.160 Regardless, even if they say something you disagree with, I think people need to move on from this digital footprint, cancel culture idea where it's like, OK, one time he said something I disagree with.

00:02:33.220 And that's what I like so much about Charlie Kirk is that he would you would speak to people that he disagreed with.

00:02:37.260 And it's time to just grow up a little bit and realize like everybody in politics right now, everybody with a voice.

00:02:42.480 Everybody has said something that will have people upset and angry. 0.79

00:02:46.640 So to think that you can't communicate with them simply because of that fact is ridiculous and is against American values.

00:02:53.420 Well, it's like, you know, it's like the public forum, the way people share their thoughts now. 0.99

00:02:58.540 It used to be, I guess you'd go to the local watering hole, the bar and drink with your friends and talk shit. 0.96

00:03:04.520 But but now everybody just does it online. 1.00

00:03:07.260 And so it's like, yeah, I'm sure there's things that you go out with your buddies with, you know, maybe have a have a couple of drinks or something and you say some stupid crap. 0.99

00:03:14.700 That doesn't mean it's supposed to get, you know, held against you for the rest of your life. 1.00

00:03:18.620 But it's kind of like that's what the Internet has turned into now, where people just spew their their stupid garbage, their trash talk on the Internet. 1.00

00:03:25.300 And then it sticks forever. It's not in a little private square. It's it sticks forever. 1.00

00:03:31.480 Do you have a different perspective now seeing what has transpired?

00:03:36.140 Obviously, I'm sure you've seen, you know, what has taken place in the legislation passed since then.

00:03:41.220 But since the day of Charlie Kirk's assassination, have you reevaluated?

00:03:44.720 Are you talking about with that as the context?

00:03:49.720 Well, I think to to go to bounce off your point, I have definitely reevaluated how I'm going to speak to different people and engage in conversation and debate.

00:03:59.360 I had a similar I have a similar show to Charlie's debate show called The One Minute Podcast.

00:04:04.340 And it's like, I probably shouldn't do this for a while.

00:04:06.280 And I've been I haven't been strictly attacked before, but people have thrown water and, you know, I'm sure you have to have security.

00:04:12.060 Yeah, I have a security guard. But, you know, how much could that really if people want to charge up or if they are really insane, something could happen.

00:04:19.880 You know, it's definitely security has regardless. Yeah.

00:04:22.940 I'm wondering if you have reevaluated or because you're in the same boat.

00:04:26.500 You're you are also Charlie Kirk.

00:04:29.600 Well, I would say after this assassination, I did cancel public events.

00:04:36.360 I did have some public speaking events that have that have been canceled or at least postponed.

00:04:39.980 So I'm sure I know there's a lot of other people in the political community that have that have taken similar action for obvious reasons.

00:04:47.480 But before before that happened, I had already kind of had that realization.

00:04:53.580 I think I'd already been through that learning curve.

00:04:57.280 And, you know, I kind of already made a decision that I wanted to start communicating differently and that I kind of wanted to take take my broadcast into a different direction.

00:05:07.760 And so I had I kind of already had that realization that it's time to find a new way to communicate.

00:05:13.660 And that doesn't mean you're it doesn't mean you're not being honest.

00:05:16.520 It doesn't mean that you're selling out.

00:05:18.560 It doesn't mean that you're not going to tell the truth or still cover the hardcore news, as you always did.

00:05:22.860 It's just the time is so delicate.

00:05:26.380 Everything is so polarized now.

00:05:28.700 Everything is so hyper sensationalized now.

00:05:31.920 You know, it really is.

00:05:33.820 Nobody seems to be making the effort.

00:05:35.760 And look, I get it from the right wing.

00:05:37.440 I get why they're fed up.

00:05:38.840 Believe me, I get it.

00:05:39.700 You know, I've been through it.

00:05:41.120 So I get why they're fed up.

00:05:42.420 And I kind of look the other way to it.

00:05:43.840 You know, the doxing and the getting people fired from their jobs like, you know, I'm not going to do it, but I'm going to look the other way.

00:05:49.260 I'm going to look the other way when they're doing it, because you know what?

00:05:51.840 It goes both ways, and they didn't start it, but that's just kind of the world we're entering now.

00:05:57.240 And when I got into the political world, I mean, I guess you could say I knew that what I was doing was going to be to a certain level a little dangerous, right?

00:06:09.960 I mean now, though, speaking your mind in politics, now people are just outright scared for their life.

00:06:16.620 You know, it's not like a, it's not like a, hey, okay, I'm kind of taking a risk here, and here's the risk factors, and here's what I might have to deal with.

00:06:24.120 Now it's, as you're saying, do I even want to go out and do a stream in public tonight, or am I ever going to come home if I do it?

00:06:33.640 Which I think now is an important time to show face in public more.

00:06:37.180 I mean, the other day I was out of public.

00:06:38.820 Today I was out, there's a San Gennaro, this Italian festival.

00:06:41.900 I was out there all day today shaking hands, talking to people.

00:06:44.440 So, and it is a reminder, because I have been, you know, the paranoia's risen.

00:06:49.000 It's a reminder that most of it does exist online.

00:06:51.260 Most people are good people.

00:06:52.740 Most people are normal humans going about their day, and there's less to be afraid of than what you will see online.

00:07:00.700 Although things have definitely changed now.

00:07:02.960 And even before this, even before this whole situation, which we'll get into, you recently had a major, I mean, it's impossible.

00:07:09.860 I don't know how much you want me to talk about this with you, but it's almost impossible to ignore.

00:07:13.720 You had a major separation from InfoWars and Alex Jones.

00:07:19.440 Is that, how has that affected your life, and what can you say about that?

00:07:26.620 You know, I think I've already said everything.

00:07:29.520 You know, I'm not, you can ask me questions and talk about it.

00:07:32.540 I don't know how much juice I'm going to give you there.

00:07:34.260 I think, I think I've already said everything, and, you know, I'll kind of just reiterate what I just said.

00:07:39.380 You know, I'd already kind of wanted to take my creative skills, my broadcast skills, whatever.

00:07:46.120 I've been wanting to take them in a different direction.

00:07:50.820 And, again, I'm not trying to say anything negative here.

00:07:53.260 This is just, this is what I've wanted to do for a while.

00:07:57.220 And so, you know, then Alex and I just kind of had a little mutual split, I would say, on the phone.

00:08:02.000 And then, you know, the rest after that is history.

00:08:04.780 But, no, I've kind of wanted to go a different direction for a while.

00:08:07.920 And the timing is insane, obviously, but it's always kind of insane in politics.

00:08:12.540 But it's especially insane right now.

00:08:16.040 So, for me, it was just like total confirmation that I made the right choice in deciding to go my own direction.

00:08:25.360 And, again, I'm not saying anything negative about anybody here.

00:08:28.420 Just to reiterate, this is just, this is just where I'm coming from.

00:08:31.160 But, you know, when you're a network guy, like I'd been for almost 10 years, I mean, you're a network guy.

00:08:36.860 You are.

00:08:37.360 You're a network guy.

00:08:38.240 And I always put the network first and foremost.

00:08:40.780 And, you know, my show there was always first and foremost.

00:08:43.300 So, you know, I've been busy for a long time.

00:08:46.200 I've been busy for a long time, Sneeko.

00:08:47.940 So I actually feel, I'm feeling really stress-free more than I have in a while.

00:08:53.440 It's a real freeing feeling when you've been doing basically the same thing for almost 10 years.

00:08:59.560 And I'm not usually a guy that does the same thing very long.

00:09:02.200 So this is probably the longest I've done the same thing for quite a while.

00:09:04.800 So I'm really excited about the future.

00:09:06.820 The political world, when I start my broadcast back up October 6th, I go into a different world politically.

00:09:13.040 I do.

00:09:13.460 I do enter a different world.

00:09:16.400 But I think I'm going to be better prepared for that.

00:09:18.740 I think I'm going to be more honed and a better communicator for that world when I get there.

00:09:24.020 So I think the time off has served me well.

00:09:27.100 I have nothing but great memories at InfoWars, even maybe the bad times.

00:09:31.920 We'll call them good memories.

00:09:34.140 But I'm looking forward to the future, and I'm looking forward to being better in the new political world when I go back live every day.

00:09:40.640 And I wish you the best of success and everything.

00:09:44.420 I think so many of us are rooting for you.

00:09:47.120 We like to see what your, you know, the Owen Schroyer solo podcast and your own endeavors.

00:09:55.800 I'm very excited to see where that's going to take you.

00:09:58.280 And let's go to current events.

00:10:00.340 So I saw you.

00:10:01.020 I didn't get to watch your video yet, but you posted a six-minute video called People Aren't Believing the Official Narrative.

00:10:08.380 And I think I'm in the same boat as you, and that's why I was very interested in calling you today, is because I'm not.

00:10:14.360 I'm not believing the official narrative.

00:10:16.120 I had a call with Dave Smith yesterday, and he said, I think he slowed down his rhetoric a little bit.

00:10:20.740 I think he, I'm not sure if he went back and forth with you, but it was with Ian Carroll.

00:10:24.160 Basically, I think at first he was calling people a crazy conspiracy kook if they didn't believe the official narrative.

00:10:29.820 And during that call, it seemed like he was starting to see, because my point of view, I'm not sure what yours is.

00:10:36.940 My point of view is that it's very likely if we're going to find one nation who's capable of assassinating foreign officials and get into other countries' affairs, I think we know what country that is.

00:10:46.700 So I'm wondering why you're not believing the official narrative.

00:10:50.740 Well, let's just go from the narrative itself.

00:10:53.060 Let's just go from what we're getting from the government first.

00:10:55.920 To me, it doesn't add up because there's too many missing links.

00:11:00.720 Like, we know that there were probably, I mean, let's be conservative, 20 people filming that, maybe 50 cameras rolling when this thing happened.

00:11:09.980 I mean, so the fact that we're getting a lot of weird, grainy footage is very strange.

00:11:14.900 The campus, the Utah Valley campus, had just updated their security cameras, apparently.

00:11:20.600 So that whole campus was basically security camera in the zone.

00:11:25.460 There's very, there's probably very few spots on that campus, at least outside, I would say, where you didn't have at least one or two cameras on you.

00:11:31.960 And somehow we get one weird angle of him coming off the roof.

00:11:36.480 Well, where did he go?

00:11:37.760 Where's the video footage of him going on the roof?

00:11:39.840 Where's the video footage of him in different clothes?

00:11:42.340 So obviously video footage is being hidden from the public.

00:11:45.180 I don't, I don't think that's even a conspiracy theory.

00:11:47.140 I think, I think you can say that with, with pretty much complete confidence.

00:11:51.080 What about the camera that was behind Charlie, which was an HD camera, I believe, that his team was using for, for an HD shot from behind that I'm sure they use like a panoramic view every time they do it.

00:12:02.700 What about that camera?

00:12:03.800 You think that camera would be pretty important considering that would be the one in HD that would capture the actual shooter on the roof, taking the shot.

00:12:10.460 We haven't seen that.

00:12:11.140 And then there's the whole weirdness about the gun being found in the woods.

00:12:16.560 And I don't, I don't claim to be some, you know, expert when it comes to shooting.

00:12:20.320 I go shooting for fun.

00:12:21.480 That's it.

00:12:21.840 I'm not, I'm not some expert.

00:12:22.840 I'm not going to pretend to be.

00:12:24.020 But, you know, I talk to people that shoot and they're experts and I talk to veterans that know their stuff and they, then they have questions that, that make sense to me.

00:12:31.460 Like, well, where's the entry wound?

00:12:33.060 Where's the exit wound?

00:12:34.320 Where's the blood splattering from an exit wound?

00:12:36.600 Um, if it was the caliber of bullet that the official story claims it is, then there should have been probably a bigger hit, uh, than we saw there.

00:12:45.040 And then I think too, just, just from, just from watching it, it's kind of instinctual.

00:12:49.580 Like, man, that, that, that looks like a professional hit and that just looks like a professional shot.

00:12:54.460 And from what we know, it doesn't sound like this guy was some master marksman.

00:12:58.520 Now, again, some people say, oh, anybody can make that shot.

00:13:01.160 And others say, no, that's a tough shot.

00:13:02.780 Well, well, I say, here's a guy who took one shot and hit that's, that's what I saw.

00:13:09.220 And, and it hit right where you would be a fatal shot.

00:13:11.780 And I, and I even maybe go farther.

00:13:13.680 Now this would be a little conspiratorial, but I would even go a little farther to say that maybe somebody wanted it to be right there.

00:13:19.360 So it would sit there and, and spew blood like that.

00:13:22.400 Now that's a little conspiratorial, but again, I, I watched that and it just, it just screams professional hit.

00:13:27.560 Now, okay, they're claiming this is some, I guess, left-wing, I don't know, some, some, some guy that just decided he wanted to do this.

00:13:35.260 Maybe he was involved in some of these new groups that we see coming up online that are kind of left-wing LGBTQ types of peoples that I, that I guess feel left out of the world.

00:13:44.240 And, and so they're all kind of just stewing in their own little online zones.

00:13:47.580 You know, that's kind of where they want us to go.

00:13:49.700 Now I find it strange that just two weeks ago, the very same FBI that is telling you that this shooter was tied into the trans community, the very same FBI just two weeks ago at the school shooting was trying to cover up that it was a trans community individual.

00:14:05.360 They tried to cover it up.

00:14:06.320 Now they want us now, now they want to go with that as the official narrative.

00:14:09.360 So again, I'm kind of looking at all these patterns and I'm just saying, it just doesn't add up.

00:14:12.840 It doesn't add up.

00:14:13.800 The official narrative doesn't add up.

00:14:15.220 And, you know, for, for, for an event, this big, I also think it's hard.

00:14:21.080 And again, I don't know if this is something that is legitimately coming from your subconscious or it's just because the world is so crazy.

00:14:27.840 You can't take anything at face value.

00:14:29.600 I kind of struggle with these things sometimes.

00:14:32.540 But you just think, you know, Charlie Kirk, that's a big, that's a big name.

00:14:36.580 This is a guy who would be eligible to run for president in the next election.

00:14:41.040 This is a guy who's really, you could argue, the most impactful on college campuses when it comes to conservative politics.

00:14:48.140 So it's not, you know, it's not a minor figure that some guy might just have a beef with.

00:14:52.560 You know, he did have private security.

00:14:54.060 He knew that his his life was in danger.

00:14:57.120 It appears now from some of the clips that we've seen gone viral and some of the conversations he was having behind the scenes.

00:15:02.600 So I think that all of those things combined just tells me, no, I don't buy the official narrative at all.

00:15:08.680 I don't buy the official story at all.

00:15:11.140 Now, I'm not saying that there might be real stuff in it.

00:15:14.920 You know, there might be some real stuff that they have, but but it's not enough to convince me of the official narrative.

00:15:21.860 And so then as far as the other angle that everybody talks about, the number one angle is the Israel angle.

00:15:27.080 You know, I look at it like this.

00:15:29.020 Originally, that wouldn't have even have come to my mind.

00:15:31.820 I mean, originally, that wasn't even a thought in my mind.

00:15:34.220 I was like, this is the same left wing terror that we've seen from the same people that we've seen.

00:15:38.760 It's the same pattern really that's been going on for years.

00:15:41.760 You can go back to when James Hodgkinson tried to shoot up, do a mass murder at a Republican baseball practice.

00:15:47.720 The mainstream media buried that story.

00:15:49.580 So this has been going on for a long time.

00:15:51.920 So it didn't even come to my head.

00:15:53.000 And then what do we see on line?

00:15:57.360 We see all the same pro-Israel voices.

00:16:00.220 We see all the same voices that are literal Israel loyalists.

00:16:04.460 And it's Israel didn't do it. 0.88

00:16:05.700 Israel didn't do it.

00:16:06.580 And it's Netanyahu coming out.

00:16:08.060 So it's like, you know, if I'm sitting in a crime scene and I've got somebody running around, I didn't do it.

00:16:13.140 I didn't do it.

00:16:13.920 I didn't do it.

00:16:14.660 I didn't do it.

00:16:15.380 I didn't do it.

00:16:15.840 And everyone's like, oh, no, eventually I'm going to say, you know what?

00:16:18.160 Hey, come over here for a second.

00:16:21.260 Why don't you just sit down?

00:16:23.000 Why don't you just have a seat?

00:16:25.000 So that's what it's looked like to me.

00:16:26.960 Again, it was not even a thought in my head when this thing happened.

00:16:29.880 But then it's like the constant defense.

00:16:32.360 And so so then you get a little curious and you find out, OK, well, Netanyahu reported it first.

00:16:38.740 The Jerusalem Post reported it first.

00:16:41.740 You hear about this meeting that Charlie Kirk had with, I guess, some some big Israel donors that kind of went a little sideways.

00:16:49.840 You saw kind of Charlie even himself start to look at the whole Israel situation a little differently.

00:16:55.720 And I think that's because he's a good person.

00:16:57.360 And, you know, eventually what's going on in the Gaza Strip, you just have to, you know, you can't support it. 0.65

00:17:03.100 You know, I'm of the mindset of I don't want anything to do with any of it.

00:17:06.060 OK, these people have been killing each other for thousands of years.

00:17:09.000 I'm like, I want nothing to do with any of it.

00:17:10.900 Don't don't put a flag on me.

00:17:12.560 OK, don't don't put a name on me.

00:17:14.480 Don't put a slogan on me.

00:17:15.520 I'm an American. 1.00

00:17:16.440 I have nothing to do with this crap. 0.99

00:17:18.000 I want nothing to do with any of it. 0.99

00:17:19.340 And so that's where I come from.

00:17:21.680 But then but you see all of this developing and it's like, OK, well, gee.

00:17:25.420 And then what do we remember?

00:17:26.500 We remember Netanyahu bragging about the pagers.

00:17:29.280 We remember Mossad bragging about how they get hundreds of intelligence, intelligent agents and assets penetrating top level governments and intelligence agencies.

00:17:38.340 I mean, they're basically bragging about how they can do whatever the hell they want.

00:17:41.240 So then it's like all of this circumstantial evidence starts building and all of a sudden, OK, here we are talking about Israel again.

00:17:48.620 So, you know, if I'm a gambling man, I don't even know what what I would bet on at this point.

00:17:53.860 I would probably bet that it was a left wing terror attack.

00:17:58.040 If I had to if I had to place a bet, I'd say the odds are on that.

00:18:01.280 I'd say it's close, but I'd still say the odds are on that.

00:18:04.400 But I laid this out earlier and I want to get the exact.

00:18:09.000 I had a list of four things that that I'm convinced of at this moment.

00:18:16.360 There's four things that I'm convinced of and I'd be curious to see if you agree.

00:18:20.360 Let's see.

00:18:21.360 But the four things I'm convinced of as of this moment is one, he was shot directly in the neck.

00:18:26.980 I get a little pushback on that, but I believe that I think so. 0.94

00:18:29.580 Two, there was some level of prior knowledge.

00:18:32.180 There's enough activity online to suggest that there was some prior knowledge that this was going to happen or something was going to happen.

00:18:39.000 Three, the official story doesn't add up too many key elements missing.

00:18:41.900 We covered that.

00:18:43.120 And then four, trust in government is so low that even if they were telling us the truth, nobody would believe it.

00:18:51.400 And I think that maybe at the end of the day, that's probably where we end up if we're not there already.

00:18:57.820 And how can you blame anybody?

00:18:59.440 They lie to us about everything.

00:19:00.980 They lie to us about the major events in our country's history, almost every single one.

00:19:05.020 And we now know it.

00:19:06.380 We're more informed and educated on these things than ever.

00:19:09.100 And so they can't do it in real time on us anymore.

00:19:12.260 It's just not going to go down like that.

00:19:14.460 That's very fair, especially Charlie Kirk said that Epstein worked for Israel, which you're not supposed to say.

00:19:19.800 If you look at the Trump administration, they say if you Trump said himself, if you still want to see the Epstein files released, I don't want you in my support base. 1.00

00:19:26.640 I'm like, OK, fuck you. 1.00

00:19:28.000 If you're going to say, fuck you, that's it. 1.00

00:19:29.720 That was not mentioned by Netanyahu when he talks about how much of a promoter of Judeo-Christian values he was, how much of a friend of Israel he was. 1.00

00:19:38.680 Charlie Kirk said Israel was sexually blackmailing American politicians to get their undying allegiance to them.

00:19:44.140 That is a major, major allegation that was a conspiracy, a crazy conspiracy theory five years ago. 0.94

00:19:51.020 Also, when we bring up the patsy that was there at first, remember when everyone thought it was this old guy who was there saying, arrest me, arrest me, kill me.

00:19:57.780 Many that's unreal. They're saying that this was an Ashkenazi Jew, but this is the state of Utah when there's only like 10 Jews in the whole. 0.98

00:20:04.620 So this is that's strange.

00:20:06.860 Well, so so so here's so here's a means to go back to a theme from earlier.

00:20:11.060 This is this is one of those times where for me, I'm going to communicate this differently and I'm going to say, I don't care if he's Jewish. 1.00

00:20:18.920 It doesn't matter to me. I'm going to say, why does this individual seem to be at all these major events in U.S. history?

00:20:24.900 And how does he always seem to be on camera at all these major events? Right.

00:20:29.940 So I know people want to do the whole Jewish angle and find whatever you get free speech.

00:20:34.100 But I do think at a certain degree you are turning people off when you do that, because they do buy into the anti-Semitism thing and they do buy into this idea that somehow if you're not pro-Israel, you're an anti-Semite.

00:20:47.580 So you have to accept that that's the world that you live in and you can still go, you know, full guns a blazing on the issue.

00:20:53.420 But I think you're going to turn a lot of people off and you're not going to be able to communicate what you need to communicate.

00:20:58.140 That is a very important anomaly that this guy was somehow there distracting law enforcement at this event.

00:21:05.400 He seems to get on camera at all these major events.

00:21:07.300 And I think somebody came out and said, oh, we didn't we didn't arrest anybody, you know, as far as the investigation is concerned.

00:21:14.400 But that guy actually was arrested for for disrupting law enforcement.

00:21:19.100 He actually did get arrested for obstruction.

00:21:21.920 So, I mean, why did they just forget about that?

00:21:24.780 Doesn't seem like an insignificant thing.

00:21:26.320 And he did a great job disrupting.

00:21:27.760 He must have distracted so many officers that were on scene and so many of the first responders.

00:21:31.680 And I think one of the most I think what we can look at the most, because all this is speculation, obviously, I think you're on the same page as me.

00:21:38.260 We have no strict evidence that it was Israel or that it was another that it was intelligence or anything.

00:21:43.520 We can't we can't rightfully say that.

00:21:45.580 But what we can look at is what has happened, what has transpired in the past four days.

00:21:49.140 Just today, the state of Israel on Instagram posted that they are proposing a new idea called the 50 states, one Israel project where they want to break.

00:21:56.800 So you've seen this.

00:21:57.820 I was surprised.

00:21:58.640 Oh, yeah. And I saw. Well, and Congress voted on not blocking the Congress blocked the Epstein files again.

00:22:06.060 Congress voted on the ant on the you can't boycott Israel bill.

00:22:10.940 All of this happened after the assassination.

00:22:13.060 Those two things happened.

00:22:13.960 And then they flew to Israel for the event you're talking about.

00:22:16.560 Marco Rubio was there kissing the wall yesterday.

00:22:18.900 Next to Mike Huckabee.

00:22:20.120 He's again talking about the hostages.

00:22:22.400 There's been a lot of what, six hundred and fifty million dollars in military aid just went to Israel as well.

00:22:27.280 It's all in the past four days since Charlie Kirk's.

00:22:29.940 Unfortunately, that's actually par for the course.

00:22:31.960 So that's not really out of the norm, unfortunately.

00:22:34.460 But with that coinciding Netanyahu going really heavy.

00:22:37.920 And I'm glad you pointed out was one of the first people to tweet his condolences with the Jerusalem Post as well. 0.88

00:22:44.060 And also for anyone calling me or anyone questioning this a crazy conspiracy kook, then Netanyahu is equally a crazy conspiracy kook.

00:22:52.960 He went on Fox News the next day and indirectly slash directly blamed this on radical Islamists, on Marxists. 0.67

00:23:00.220 And you saw a lot of that.

00:23:01.320 You did see a lot of that.

00:23:02.500 So if he can immediately blame it on Marxists working with radical Islamists, then me questioning who's doing this and what countries behind it is equally as kooky.

00:23:11.800 Because this is the narrative that they use to justify going into war in the Middle East after 9-11.

00:23:16.260 Netanyahu was the one, the same guy who went in front of Congress and said they have weapons of mass destruction.

00:23:21.640 We went there.

00:23:22.340 We went to war.

00:23:23.080 We found out they had none of them.

00:23:24.180 So the war was based off of a lie, a pretense that Netanyahu came to America with.

00:23:29.060 When he does that again and says that it was radical Islamists, it's time for us to take a step back and you're not going to lie to us twice. 0.85

00:23:35.880 And if I'm crazy, so is he.

00:23:38.460 Well, I think a lot of people feel that way.

00:23:40.200 I think a lot of people now feel that America was duped into these wars in the Middle East.

00:23:44.860 I don't know how many Americans or whether to accept that they were lied to about September 11th or not.

00:23:49.560 And maybe that's the next big thing.

00:23:52.380 It's not going to happen this year.

00:23:53.720 We were distracted with another major event, obviously.

00:23:57.000 But, you know, once you kind of go through that process, that window, that thought pattern that you just went through, I think is inevitable for people that can do critical thinking.

00:24:07.320 That linear timeline of events, it's like, oh, yeah.

00:24:11.020 OK, we were lied to about September 11th, spent $21 trillion in Middle East wars.

00:24:15.820 We were lied to about the weapons of mass destruction.

00:24:18.380 Tens of thousands of Americans died.

00:24:19.780 Even more came back wounded and messed up.

00:24:21.800 And it's like, OK, yeah, we definitely don't want to do that again.

00:24:25.280 But now it's like, you know, it really does go both ways.

00:24:28.260 You have some people that blame the Jews for everything, and then you have some people that blame Muslims for everything.

00:24:34.140 And so it's just like this crazy world. 0.64

00:24:36.360 And then you just realize this is all propaganda.

00:24:38.540 And that's why I always just step back.

00:24:40.540 And ultimately, this is where America has to go, in my opinion.

00:24:43.580 And I think it's inevitable as where the populist movement goes from here because, I don't know, MAGA is – yeah, I mean, whatever.

00:24:52.020 I've been kicked out.

00:24:53.260 Trump said I'm out because, you know, I want the Epstein file.

00:24:55.700 So whatever.

00:24:56.400 MAGA is this other thing over here.

00:24:58.340 But the populist movement isn't going anywhere.

00:25:01.720 The populist movement is only getting bigger.

00:25:04.880 And so I think that most people are having these realizations.

00:25:09.780 And when they see it happening again and again and again, it's like, wait a second.

00:25:14.620 Why?

00:25:15.260 Why are we – our country isn't – we are in – we have problems.

00:25:19.180 In case you didn't notice, I think you kind of probably noticed, you go downtown, it's not so good.

00:25:24.380 There's a lot of homeless people, deranged people, drug addicts, and violence.

00:25:28.380 In fact, there's places you can't even go.

00:25:30.160 It's so bad.

00:25:30.700 There's places cops won't even go.

00:25:33.040 Cops won't even go.

00:25:34.620 We got our own problems.

00:25:35.400 And it's like every time we turn our head, there's our politicians back in Israel.

00:25:40.260 And then they come back here.

00:25:41.440 And then they got another check from AIPAC.

00:25:43.100 And then you log online, and it's 10,000 of these accounts spamming about how great Israel is.

00:25:48.480 You're just like, good Lord, I'm an American.

00:25:51.080 Why do I keep hearing about this stuff?

00:25:53.700 So I think people are sick of it.

00:25:55.460 And then this is where they kind of reach the higher geopolitical conclusion that, oh, all the enemies that I'm told I have are actually Israel's enemies.

00:26:05.180 Boy, that's interesting.

00:26:07.780 In the populist movement, I'm glad you brought that up.

00:26:10.500 That's very clear that they're, I think, afraid of where it's going to go because they're losing a lot of the core Trump support base.

00:26:16.240 Today was a good example where J.D. Vance substituted Charlie Kirk's show with Tucker Carlson and talking about the assassination and about recent events.

00:26:25.900 And I think the fact that they're speaking so much about Israel's involvement, and they even did speak on that show about Charlie Kirk's opinion of Israel,

00:26:33.460 it shows that they're willing to speak about the subject much more than before because they're aware that the populist movement cares more than they ever have.

00:26:43.340 What were your thoughts on that J.D. Vance-Tucker Carlson conversation today?

00:26:48.700 Well, I'll tell you what, aside from what they said, let's let's look at what this represents.

00:26:56.240 Apparently, and this is from multiple people reporting this, apparently Tucker Carlson was a subject of discussion with Charlie Kirk because he was platforming Tucker Carlson at his events, as well as Dave Smith and others.

00:27:10.360 So I think from what we can read from some of these reports, it seems that there was a lot of pressure for Charlie not to do that.

00:27:18.840 And I don't think I don't think anybody can deny that at this point.

00:27:22.400 And actually, and this is kind of more of a hidden gem that was discovered on X.

00:27:27.360 I reposted on my X.

00:27:28.880 On September 7th, Ben Shapiro was on Mark Levin's Sunday night Fox show.

00:27:35.300 And you wouldn't have you wouldn't have thought much of this at the time.

00:27:38.860 But now it all of a sudden hits a lot differently.

00:27:43.240 And Mark and Ben were talking about some event.

00:27:47.220 They were talking about some event where their supposed conservative friends had become anti-Israel-Islama-Marxist.

00:27:57.200 And so you hear that at the time.

00:27:58.760 You're like, OK, this is just this is just Levin yapping.

00:28:01.300 This is just that loud mouth yapping and Shapiro just up there, you know, doing whatever his role is.

00:28:05.520 OK, whatever.

00:28:06.080 Well, now you hear that and it actually confirms it.

00:28:11.260 Well, it seems to.

00:28:12.640 It seems to.

00:28:13.240 Let's be fair.

00:28:13.780 It seems to confirm the context seems to confirm that Shapiro and Levin or actually maybe more Levin.

00:28:21.200 I don't know how much Shapiro knew about this, but Levin, who is in the Trump administration, by the way, and it goes to Israel almost every month or week.

00:28:28.560 Even Levin seems to imply that there was a meeting where people in the big conservative, the big money conservative movement were having questions about Israel and behind closed doors.

00:28:41.720 Some people weren't too happy about it.

00:28:43.340 Now, again, you hear that on September 7th from Levin and Shapiro.

00:28:46.440 You don't think much about it.

00:28:47.440 You hear that on September 12th.

00:28:49.860 And against now what Candace Owens is reporting and what GreyZoon News is reporting.

00:28:55.300 And now all of a sudden you're like that that lines up.

00:28:59.540 Now it all lines up.

00:29:00.960 Now, again, does that confirm anything?

00:29:02.460 No, this is all circumstantial evidence.

00:29:04.800 But, OK, you leave you leave the Charlie Kirk assassination out of the equation now and you realize something inevitable, which actually Charlie has said before.

00:29:14.480 I've heard it on at least one clip.

00:29:16.540 And, you know, it's kind of a generational thing.

00:29:20.080 But younger conservatives are done with Israel.

00:29:23.540 They're done.

00:29:24.340 They have no interest in it.

00:29:25.900 And, you know, some of them you can buy off.

00:29:27.980 OK, some of them you can buy off and you can send them on the fancy trips and you can bring them to Israel and clink the glasses and tell them they can get the donor money.

00:29:34.760 And some will take that.

00:29:36.160 Some will.

00:29:37.220 And you know what?

00:29:38.360 I'm out of the game of judging people.

00:29:40.640 I'm out of the game of blaming anybody for anything.

00:29:43.140 OK, do what you got to do and the world will decide.

00:29:46.120 And ultimately you can answer to God as far as I'm concerned.

00:29:49.080 I'm just going to tell the truth and try to stay as honest and, you know, keep my integrity as possible.

00:29:55.420 So, yeah, I got offered that trip.

00:29:57.820 I turned it down.

00:29:58.840 And then I warned others that this was about to happen.

00:30:01.320 So younger conservatives aren't interested.

00:30:04.780 We have our own problems.

00:30:06.800 I used to think that the Israel issue was maybe two or three or four election cycles away from really becoming the top issue.

00:30:14.540 I think we're now probably either one or two.

00:30:17.600 I think it's either maybe this midterms even or definitely the presidential election.

00:30:23.580 And I know that you I think did you do it?

00:30:26.160 Did you actually do a video with Mom Dami or I think you just did a celebration video?

00:30:29.900 I don't know if you actually met him.

00:30:31.100 No, I never met him.

00:30:32.420 I got kicked out of a couple of his events because the ADL would they it would be a major headache if I were to ever appear publicly.

00:30:39.300 So his staff members were quick to escort me out. 0.99

00:30:42.160 Well, that's stupid of them. 1.00

00:30:43.680 Yeah, that's dumb of them because you were complimentary of him. 1.00

00:30:46.180 I mean, there's so many you were supportive. 0.96

00:30:49.300 I'm supportive because he's the only one.

00:30:51.100 He's the only that's like the most important issue to me.

00:30:53.400 Obviously, so many.

00:30:54.460 And that's where that's where you and I would probably differ.

00:30:57.000 But I don't live in New York.

00:30:57.920 So it doesn't you know, I'm not going to be voting in that election.

00:31:01.400 No, I didn't vote either.

00:31:02.180 I didn't vote for him, but I complimented him and I congratulated him for for winning because he had the balls to be on that stage and say, actually, I'm going to stay in New York City, which is, you know, what you whatever you say about him.

00:31:12.400 That is the most patriotic America first position to be like, actually, I'm not going to go fly and kiss the wall and get spit on like Brandon Tatum.

00:31:18.080 I'm going to stay right here and put New York first, which I love to see.

00:31:22.600 And but I mean, obviously, the, you know, abolishing the police stuff.

00:31:25.260 And there's a lot that that needs work on his campaign.

00:31:28.600 And I hope he goes in the right direction.

00:31:30.660 But you know what?

00:31:31.180 I get it.

00:31:32.120 I do get it.

00:31:33.060 I would never vote for him.

00:31:34.220 And I'd say good luck to New York City when he gets in.

00:31:36.900 And I do anticipate he will.

00:31:38.980 But I said that night because I was always getting a lot of pushback.

00:31:42.660 And again, people take what I've learned, too, is that people just take political reporting as opinion now.

00:31:48.040 And I'm like, no, you don't understand.

00:31:49.200 I'm telling you there is a referendum in the midterms and it will be Israel.

00:31:53.080 I'm telling you.

00:31:54.020 And the mom, Donnie election is going to be the first test.

00:31:56.420 And they thought he has no chance.

00:31:58.020 He'll never do it.

00:31:59.080 And I'm like, you don't get it.

00:32:00.580 You don't understand how impactful this Israel issue is right now.

00:32:03.820 You really underestimate it.

00:32:05.120 And then he won.

00:32:06.460 And I think now now I think the people that were kind of sleepwalking or now the people that were just so confident that this gravy train was going to continue, the military industrial complex, the foreign aid, the U.S.

00:32:18.100 Israel Alliance, they were just so confident because it's never been checked in a very big way that that that that result was shocking to them.

00:32:25.340 And now it's it's hitting them like a tsunami and they just don't know what to do.

00:32:29.380 They don't know what to do.

00:32:30.560 So aside from the Kirk assassination and any involvement people suspect there, there's no doubt the Israel issue is going to be the number one issue, probably by the 20, I would say 20, 28 presidential elections.

00:32:41.980 And you're going to have to be on the we're done supporting Israel side, I think, to win. 0.96

00:32:50.400 What about the cancellation and censorship?

00:32:53.040 I'm sure you've seen the discourse is getting pretty violent.

00:32:57.100 Well, I wouldn't say violent, but pretty angry on the far left and the far right calling for censorship of people advocating for violence or for support or for celebration of death.

00:33:08.940 Where does this fit into the core fabrics of free speech in this country?

00:33:12.880 Well, when the left did it, the right wing obviously had a problem with it.

00:33:18.580 And so a lot of people are calling them hypocrites for now engaging in the same behavior, which I'd say is fair.

00:33:25.040 I'd say it's fair commentary, but I'm not going to engage in that commentary.

00:33:29.200 I'm going to I'm going to look the other way and I'm going to say, hey, you know what?

00:33:32.480 You flicked you flicked this guy in the ear when you flicked the horse in the ear one too many times.

00:33:36.880 He's now he's going to kick back.

00:33:38.080 So good luck.

00:33:39.100 You know, you kind of did this to yourself.

00:33:40.900 So I'm I'm not going to get involved in any of that, but I'm also going to say, you know what?

00:33:44.960 Let them let them let them have their cake.

00:33:47.160 OK, let them have their cake.

00:33:48.440 I think it really represents the division that we have in this country.

00:33:52.580 I think it represents the hyperpolarization.

00:33:55.420 I think it represents just how far the left and the right are from one another.

00:34:00.140 Now, the crevasse seems to be widening here and nobody seems to be interested in trying to bring it back.

00:34:07.740 And I don't know, maybe maybe it can't get back.

00:34:10.880 So I think the right is now realizing that. 0.96

00:34:14.640 There's a war against them and the people that are waging this war are willing to kill you.

00:34:20.520 And so I think the right wing has kind of finally had to come to grips with that.

00:34:25.240 Now, ultimately, you want to talk about what is really going to change this country?

00:34:28.920 Because I don't think any of this is going to change anything, like people saying the right wing is more unified than ever.

00:34:35.560 It's really not. It's really not.

00:34:37.380 It's actually more divided than ever.

00:34:38.760 You have the establishment right and then you have the new right and you have the establishment right, which will never let the new right in.

00:34:45.820 Because they refuse to stop talking about Israel.

00:34:48.400 Again, just go listen to the Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro clip.

00:34:52.180 Shapiro basically says it.

00:34:53.240 If you're anti-Israel, we don't want you in the Republican Party.

00:34:56.180 He basically says that.

00:34:57.240 So that's the establishment right trying to keep the new right out. 1.00

00:35:00.280 But I think that they've just realized that, yeah, if you don't start standing up for yourself, you're not going to have anything.

00:35:07.940 You're not going to have anything left.

00:35:09.920 There's not going to be.

00:35:10.920 But ultimately, what's going to really change the country when it's so bad, Sneeko, when it's so bad that the average person just doesn't even know how they're going to get by anymore?

00:35:20.440 Because, you know, you want to talk about crime in the inner cities and there's all kind of different things that we can talk about and statistics and demographics and fathers and, you know, all the stuff that gets thrown into that conversation.

00:35:32.760 But, you know, the one important aspect that gets conveniently left out but is also very important is poverty.

00:35:38.880 When you live in poverty, you're a desperate person.

00:35:42.040 And when you're basically into such a state of poverty that you have to commit a crime to survive, well, what do you think you're going to do?

00:35:47.920 You're going to commit a crime.

00:35:48.920 And so the more – the worse the economy gets, the more we see other foreign issues and foreign entanglements and everything else get put ahead of our issues and we can't even fix a damn pothole and our taxes keep going up and the cost of living keeps going up.

00:36:05.340 Once you cross that where life is too hard for people, that's when you'll really get some change.

00:36:11.160 That's when people will really rise up.

00:36:13.580 And I'm not calling for violence.

00:36:14.860 I'm not a violent person.

00:36:15.800 I'm just talking about when it comes to what's really going to save this country, what's really going to change this country, it's clear to me now that they're never going to let somebody get elected that's going to do it.

00:36:26.280 I don't know if we can ever have enough people in Congress to stop the corruption.

00:36:30.820 You know, I think we've kind of gone through that process as good as we can in the last, let's say, eight years.

00:36:35.900 And we've learned that it's just like, geez, no matter who we get in there, nothing really changes.

00:36:40.960 So there's going to have to be some form of an internal unification factor and then a mass revolt.

00:36:50.120 So maybe we decide we're going to stop paying taxes.

00:36:53.660 I don't know.

00:36:54.240 Something like that, hopefully, would be the easy way to go about it.

00:36:56.980 Maybe state governments wake up and say we have to separate from the Fed.

00:37:01.740 We just have to completely separate from the Fed.

00:37:03.900 We are now independent from the Fed.

00:37:05.520 That might be another way to do it.

00:37:07.580 But to me, I just see us going down this same path.

00:37:10.340 I don't really see anything changing.

00:37:12.200 I think things are actually still going to get worse, unfortunately.

00:37:15.480 I agree.

00:37:15.980 It seems almost inevitable.

00:37:17.360 I mean, we can do as much as we can to try to speak about this, but the writing is on the wall.

00:37:22.000 It's very clear where this is going.

00:37:24.400 I mean, hopefully not.

00:37:25.240 And I see that discussion from the right wing on X and from podcast space.

00:37:29.820 They talk about the crime in the city so much.

00:37:32.420 New York, for example, has been very safe recently.

00:37:35.400 I was born here.

00:37:36.740 I moved back at the end of last year.

00:37:38.480 It's been almost a year back.

00:37:39.820 Two years after COVID, I moved to Florida because of the COVID restrictions.

00:37:43.580 But the violent crime has not been bad, especially in Manhattan, has been relatively safe.

00:37:49.260 I think people are surprised when they see videos of people dining outside.

00:37:52.420 The major, from my anecdotal evidence, the major problem here is the wealth gap, is the wealth disparity.

00:38:02.200 The amount of people that are not able to buy homes anymore.

00:38:06.380 The amount of debt, the average debt in Gen Z is something like $94,000.

00:38:09.640 If you see just like, if you walk around here, I don't know the last time you've been to New York, the amount of single beautiful women walking around is literally like astonishing. 1.00

00:38:19.860 Obviously, it's nice to be around.

00:38:22.160 But then you start thinking, how is it possible that there are this many women in their 20s and 30s that are not in a relationship?

00:38:29.580 It seems like you're in the big short.

00:38:31.660 Because not only dudes are broke, but that's a major part.

00:38:36.180 Most of these attractive women, and they're everywhere, are dating the same 10% of guys. 0.98

00:38:41.300 And so they're getting psyched.

00:38:41.880 So that hasn't changed.

00:38:42.820 I haven't been to New York in like four or five years, but I'm glad to know that hasn't changed.

00:38:46.840 It's more than what I've seen in other movies or what my previous generations tell me.

00:38:51.820 The last time you came was what year?

00:38:53.440 I'd say probably 2020, maybe before the lockdowns, I think.

00:39:01.220 2020, yeah.

00:39:02.060 So there's no way it was like this in the 80s and 90s, where every girl thought that they needed to uphold their lifestyle. 0.94

00:39:10.480 They need to be with the upper echelon guy.

00:39:12.820 The average guy who's grinding and working hard literally can't afford to be with her.

00:39:17.180 If you're making six figures living in Manhattan, you're lower middle class.

00:39:23.440 So the writing here is like—

00:39:25.380 Well, and this is another issue.

00:39:26.400 What I see Republican leadership swinging and missing on like every single time.

00:39:30.700 It's like imagine a baseball player every time he gets up there against a pitcher, he strikes out.

00:39:35.160 Every single time the Republicans strike out on the Israel issue, and every single time they strike out on the economy issue.

00:39:40.920 Now, to Trump's credit, in his first term, he did great on the economy.

00:39:44.340 He had great success on the economy.

00:39:46.360 They killed it with COVID.

00:39:47.400 I don't know if we'll ever recover.

00:39:48.500 That was permanent damage.

00:39:49.640 What they did to us with COVID, permanent damage.

00:39:51.700 What they did to us with the Biden border invasion, permanent damage.

00:39:55.260 These are—the American people need to understand that those were permanent blows.

00:39:58.540 Those were destructive, permanent blows to this country that we'll never recover from.

00:40:04.580 We'll be lucky if we're left with a scar.

00:40:06.440 It looks more like we've amputated part of our republic in these two horrific policies and agendas.

00:40:13.860 So now, when the Republicans and when Trump talk about how great the economy is and all this stuff, people don't believe that.

00:40:21.000 It's just not true.

00:40:22.240 That's not the average American's experience right now.

00:40:25.360 The average American's experience is living paycheck to paycheck.

00:40:28.380 That's the average American's experience.

00:40:29.760 You're not going to sell them that the economy is good.

00:40:31.840 And then you try to sell them how we have to support Israel all the time.

00:40:35.880 Well, they can barely support their family.

00:40:37.340 So they're not going to really take kindly to hearing about how we need to support a foreign country as well.

00:40:42.100 And then on top of that, when that country is at war with seven, seven countries that they've attacked, I think in the last month, yeah, you know, now you're really starting to tick people off.

00:40:52.520 Including our ally, which they just completely swept under the rug and moved on.

00:40:57.240 They—that was—the news cycle is going so fast now.

00:41:00.360 I didn't even get to ask you about Irina, the Ukrainian girl on that bus in Carolina.

00:41:07.260 What are the ramifications of that?

00:41:09.080 Before—the day before Charlie Kirk, this was looking like it was possibly the George Floyd for white people.

00:41:14.900 But the news cycle moved on quicker than I've ever seen for such a—such a brutal attack.

00:41:20.400 How—how does the—well—where do we go from here?

00:41:25.520 I think the news cycle was forced to move on.

00:41:27.700 I think that story did get a lot of attention, though.

00:41:30.360 All things considered, I do think it got a lot of attention.

00:41:34.080 You know, what's so strange now is—because we all hear it on the video where he says,

00:41:40.120 I got that white girl. 1.00

00:41:41.180 I think that's exactly what he said, is I got that white girl.

00:41:44.120 Okay, so you hear that and you're like, all right.

00:41:46.640 I mean, I'm basically left to believe two things.

00:41:50.300 And neither one of them is good, by the way. 0.63

00:41:52.140 But I'm basically left to believe that he killed a girl because she was white. 0.90

00:41:56.320 That's it. 0.79

00:41:57.040 Simple as that. 0.98

00:41:57.680 Or this guy is so deranged out of his mind that he just does something and then is like, oh, I got a white girl. 0.72

00:42:06.240 Like, you know, it wasn't like he was processing it until afterwards or something. 0.81

00:42:09.740 So you either have these psychotic killers that ride on the train with you, which is nice, 0.94

00:42:15.880 or you have people on the New York City subway that want to stab you if you're white, which I guess is pretty nice, too. 0.94

00:42:21.540 It was the Carolina, not New York City. 0.92

00:42:23.940 Oh, that's right.

00:42:24.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:24.980 The Carolina.

00:42:25.860 North Carolina.

00:42:26.400 Charlotte, right?

00:42:26.960 Charlotte.

00:42:27.280 But also the Daniel Penny situation was in New York, so I guess you could equate the two.

00:42:31.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:32.080 Yeah, which see, and that's what they do. 0.92

00:42:34.180 They prosecute Daniel Penny so that Irana gets stabbed.

00:42:41.000 Yeah, people are afraid.

00:42:41.960 White people are not going to go stick up when they see what happened to Daniel Penny.

00:42:45.340 He had to go and spend all those lawyer fees.

00:42:47.600 Or anybody.

00:42:48.300 Nobody stood up in that video.

00:42:49.780 Yeah.

00:42:51.020 Yeah.

00:42:51.380 But, you know, it's funny.

00:42:54.280 I've spoken to a lot of BLM, you know, black activist types.

00:42:57.200 All of them are saying, well, not all of them, but I'll say the majority said that I got that white girl is not a direct,

00:43:03.240 is not direct evidence that it was a hate crime.

00:43:05.300 Is that saying that?

00:43:06.460 But imagine, just imagine if Derek Chauvin, while he's, you know, while he's arresting George Floyd says,

00:43:12.120 I got that black man.

00:43:13.500 I got that. 0.76

00:43:14.280 Everyone is unanimously saying that that's a hate crime.

00:43:17.620 Lock him up forever. 0.97

00:43:18.360 Or when it's a black guy, hmm, we got to figure out how he's like, hey, man, I don't want to hurt you. 0.98

00:43:23.620 Can you just stop? 0.97

00:43:24.980 Like, hey, man, I really don't want to put my knee on your head.

00:43:27.600 Can you just get in the car?

00:43:29.120 Like, no.

00:43:29.980 Okay.

00:43:30.940 And that's unanimously decided a hate crime. 0.97

00:43:33.080 But on the other side, well, maybe he was crazy.

00:43:35.420 Maybe he was sad that day. 0.97

00:43:36.800 Maybe he was schizophrenic.

00:43:38.120 The double standard has never been more clear.

00:43:41.360 And, you know, it is more evidence that it's going in a populist direction.

00:43:44.960 Would you ever run for office, Owen?

00:43:49.360 No, I get this question all the time.

00:43:51.340 I just say no at this point.

00:43:53.240 I love life too much.

00:43:54.660 I enjoy life too much.

00:43:56.200 It seems like a torturous experience.

00:43:58.780 You know, part of me says, like, there's part of me, part of me that likes to learn and grow says, hey, go do it and just do it for one session.

00:44:08.060 Just to see.

00:44:09.220 Just go do it for one session.

00:44:10.680 Just to see what it's like.

00:44:11.880 Learn some behind-the-scenes stuff.

00:44:13.640 And then get the hell out.

00:44:14.800 Right?

00:44:15.100 Just go do it for the learning experience.

00:44:17.040 And I don't know.

00:44:17.500 Maybe I can have a vote that affects something if I got in the house.

00:44:20.940 But if I did it, it would be just probably as a learning experience.

00:44:24.180 And then, yeah, okay, you take the podium.

00:44:25.720 You get, you know, you get your hot clips like everybody loves to do now.

00:44:29.460 And then you try to have a good voting record.

00:44:31.180 I'm not sure how many care about that anymore.

00:44:33.620 But, no, I love life too much.

00:44:35.500 It's too risky.

00:44:36.960 I never viewed myself as a politician.

00:44:39.180 I still don't.

00:44:39.940 So I have people that ask me that.

00:44:42.120 I have some people in politics that have, you know, asked me if, hey, you know, this seat over here is pure red area.

00:44:47.760 You know.

00:44:48.800 But, no, I'd say no.

00:44:50.660 So what are your motivations?

00:44:53.420 And I think this is a two-part question.

00:44:55.540 What really red-pilled you on this subject, on the Israel subject?

00:45:00.780 So, like, what's your main goal with your upcoming show?

00:45:04.400 And also, what led you down this direction?

00:45:06.500 Because you're not supposed to know what you know.

00:45:10.180 Well, you know, I tend to do what I'm not supposed to do.

00:45:13.060 So maybe that's just it.

00:45:14.540 Maybe that's the simple answer.

00:45:15.700 No, I think, you know, if I give kind of a – if you have a longer-term understanding, and I think that what I go through politically actually reflects, in many ways, the average American, or you might even say the normie that just gets politically informed.

00:45:30.380 I was probably net positive on Israel for the entire first Trump administration.

00:45:37.240 I wasn't really big into Israel, didn't really cover it, didn't really care, was never really on my radar.

00:45:41.260 The only time it would ever pop up is when people would spam you, you don't – you're covering for Israel. 0.97

00:45:46.680 You are an Israel shill, because I wouldn't really talk about it. 1.00

00:45:49.140 And I was just like, okay, whatever.

00:45:50.600 So I was probably net positive Israel, net positive Netanyahu. 0.91

00:45:54.320 He said good things about Trump.

00:45:56.100 He said good things about America.

00:45:57.720 So I was like, oh, okay, Netanyahu, whatever.

00:45:59.820 It doesn't seem like a bad guy, whatever.

00:46:02.380 Then he was the first foreign leader, I believe, to congratulate Joe Biden on his stolen election, which we all knew was stolen.

00:46:11.260 And Netanyahu was supposedly a Trump ally, supposedly a Trump friend, right?

00:46:16.200 Netanyahu, he's always Trump.

00:46:17.540 He's always MAGA.

00:46:18.580 And then he gives Biden the first congratulations after a clearly stolen election.

00:46:22.620 Which I got banned on YouTube for.

00:46:24.340 You were wondering how I got into this political space.

00:46:27.020 I said the obvious, that the election was rigged.

00:46:28.940 That was one of my YouTube strikes, along with vaccine misinformation for not getting vaccinated for COVID.

00:46:34.860 There you go.

00:46:35.520 So it's a double crime for you.

00:46:36.940 Yeah.

00:46:37.120 Yeah, so that was the first time that kind of led me to pause.

00:46:41.100 And I was just like, that's a backstabber.

00:46:43.480 That's a backstabber move.

00:46:45.720 And so to me, you do that once, and now I question you forever.

00:46:49.920 But I still wasn't really like, I wasn't really too into the subject.

00:46:53.280 I just probably went from net positive to net neutral, maybe net negative.

00:46:56.760 And then I would say October 7th happened.

00:47:01.560 And, you know, to me, that's when everything changed.

00:47:03.920 Because it was an obvious stand down from day one.

00:47:06.600 It was obviously a stand down.

00:47:08.920 And so then, in the immediate aftermath, you saw how I was engulfing our nation politically.

00:47:14.660 And now I see foreign flags on the streets.

00:47:16.880 I see Palestinian flags.

00:47:18.000 I see Israel flags.

00:47:18.860 I'm pissed off.

00:47:19.560 I'm an American.

00:47:20.400 I don't want to see any of it.

00:47:21.440 And now, all of a sudden, I have this holy war, this thousand-year-old, thousands of years old, this holy war in the Middle East is now in my backyard.

00:47:30.000 It's now in my kitchen.

00:47:31.860 And so, okay, so now I'm really pissed off.

00:47:34.680 And then what do you see?

00:47:35.800 And then you see that this has been going on forever.

00:47:37.900 Israel getting hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:47:39.920 Israel getting nonstop military support.

00:47:42.580 I mean, just any time.

00:47:44.160 Netanyahu coming to Congress for four decades telling us to go to war in the Middle East, giving us bad intel every single time Americans go die.

00:47:51.080 Not a single Israeli was in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

00:47:55.320 Not a single one.

00:47:57.520 Not a single one. 0.99

00:47:58.820 And so, okay, now all of a sudden you're looking into this stuff, and then what's going on in the Gaza Strip, and now Israel's striking seven different countries, and now Israel's getting us to bomb Iran and save their ass again. 0.99

00:48:10.300 So, yeah, I'm sick of it. 0.99

00:48:11.500 I want a divorce.

00:48:12.340 I want a completely decouple from the Middle East. 1.00

00:48:14.700 I want a divorce with Israel. 1.00

00:48:16.920 And I think they kind of sense it's coming, don't they?

00:48:19.160 I think they kind of sense it's coming, and so right now they're kind of like the gilded lover. 0.99

00:48:23.940 It's like all the stars are aligned, and I'm about to dump your ass. 0.99

00:48:26.920 And so they're flailing. 0.99

00:48:27.960 They're throwing pots at us.

00:48:29.020 They're throwing the iron at us. 0.55

00:48:30.200 They're trying to stab us with the sharpest knife in the kitchen.

00:48:32.860 And so that's where it feels like we're at right now.

00:48:35.300 Now, as far as what I want to do, I got great advice when I was younger entering media from a big mentor of mine, and he said to find a void and fill it.

00:48:46.660 Well, I'm a consumer of political media.

00:48:48.660 I'm a massive consumer, and what I've learned is that the well is dry.

00:48:52.920 The well is dry, Sneeko. 0.84

00:48:55.000 And I don't mean this as an insult to you, but you didn't start streaming to get involved in politics.

00:48:59.940 No.

00:49:00.180 And now here you are looking at – people are looking at you as a voice for politics, right?

00:49:05.480 And so I think that that tells you where – I think that that tells you where the news media really is.

00:49:09.480 So I want to fill the void.

00:49:12.020 Nobody covers news anymore.

00:49:13.740 I don't know where to go to even get news.

00:49:15.440 Like, I mean, X is a great source, but it's like I have to sit here and parse through all of this stuff to try to find news.

00:49:22.240 And so I come from traditional broadcast background.

00:49:25.560 I come from more of a traditional talk radio news background, and that's what I want to do.

00:49:31.560 So my three-hour show is going to be news.

00:49:35.020 I mean I can't hide who I am.

00:49:36.560 I can't hide my politics, right?

00:49:38.160 That's not going to hide, and I'm still going to tell the truth.

00:49:40.040 I'm not going to avoid any stories, but my three-hour show is going to be news.

00:49:44.220 I'm not going to do sensationalizing stuff.

00:49:46.260 I'm not going to do clickbait stuff.

00:49:48.100 I'm not going to do the drama stuff.

00:49:50.560 I'm not going to do all this other gimmicky stuff.

00:49:52.540 It seems like everything's a gimmick.

00:49:53.860 Everything's a gimmick.

00:49:54.680 Everything's a niche.

00:49:55.680 Everything's a who's the highest bidder.

00:49:57.340 What propaganda do I want to push?

00:49:59.520 And I just – it's hard to find anybody that's completely void of all of that.

00:50:03.500 And so that's the void that I want to fill.

00:50:05.320 I want to just read the people's news.

00:50:06.740 If you want news three hours a day from somebody that's honest that you can trust,

00:50:10.780 that's what I want to be for the people,

00:50:12.500 and that's what I'm going to start doing October 6th.

00:50:15.240 I mean your ex is a great source of that.

00:50:17.280 I mean just nonstop every day I see you pop up.

00:50:20.240 Your page was how I saw that YouTube took down the video of Charlie Kirk

00:50:24.760 questioning whether Israel issued a standout on October 7th.

00:50:28.680 So what –

00:50:29.200 Patrick, bet David.

00:50:30.760 Yeah, on the PBD podcast.

00:50:32.220 That was several months ago, and I think – or maybe even last year.

00:50:36.200 Do you believe that Israel issued a standout on October 7th?

00:50:40.020 Did they have prior knowledge?

00:50:42.080 Yeah, I don't see how it's possible.

00:50:44.520 First of all, I think instinctually Israel – I mean the number one spy state in the world, 1.00

00:50:50.160 the number one security state in the world, the Golden Dome, the pressure-sensitive,

00:50:55.840 the heat-sensitive borders, and they couldn't stop people on ATVs and parachutes?

00:51:03.120 I mean come on.

00:51:04.420 So that's just like to me just like looking at it.

00:51:06.940 It was obvious.

00:51:08.060 And then when you hear from top intelligence and security experts like General Flynn who says,

00:51:12.180 hey, I've been to that area.

00:51:13.800 I know that area.

00:51:14.780 I know the security apparatus, and there's 0% chance there wasn't a warning.

00:51:18.600 0% chance.

00:51:20.740 And here – and I think to put it all in perspective, because Americans – we have a very giant – we have a very vast country, right?

00:51:29.560 You're in New York right now, right?

00:51:31.280 I'm in Austin.

00:51:32.120 We're so far apart, right?

00:51:33.640 It's like a four-hour flight for me and you.

00:51:36.060 We're continent.

00:51:36.860 We're Europe away.

00:51:38.440 Exactly, exactly.

00:51:39.500 Well, the Middle East, specifically Israel and Gaza, these babies are right in the same neighborhood, man.

00:51:45.940 I mean they're just right there an hour away.

00:51:48.220 You know, Gaza is only 45 minutes from Tel Aviv.

00:51:51.100 These countries are not very far from each other.

00:51:53.100 So you're telling me that this attack was able to go on for seven hours and there was no response from the IDF?

00:52:00.460 None?

00:52:02.260 Sorry.

00:52:02.900 Don't buy it.

00:52:03.500 So what motive would Israel have to – so if they knew about October 7th, which obviously we could figure out why, it's because they wanted a justification to go and ethnically cleanse Gaza and expand the greater state of Israel. 0.63

00:52:19.820 It makes sense.

00:52:21.140 Why would Israel want to assassinate Charlie Kirk if they did?

00:52:25.500 Well, yeah.

00:52:26.600 Okay, so let's just – this is a purely hypothetical thing, so we're getting into hypotheticals here.

00:52:32.040 But I would say – I would ask this question.

00:52:36.060 Did Charlie Kirk tell anybody he wanted to run for president, and who did he tell?

00:52:40.780 Did Charlie Kirk tell anybody he wanted to run for president, and who did he tell if so?

00:52:46.460 And then I think the other thing would have to be – I'm not going to say that I know all the inner workings of how political funding and everything works because at Infowars we really are completely separate from that.

00:52:57.680 So I may have had my own professional differences with Alex, but it's totally independent, okay?

00:53:04.160 It is truly, totally independent.

00:53:05.580 We don't have to grovel the donors, and I've never really – I've never had to deal with that.

00:53:09.880 Now, I know people that have, and I've seen a little bit of it firsthand, so I can say maybe enough to kind of understand.

00:53:17.880 But I don't understand the real weight of whatever TPUSA was up to as far as – Charlie obviously was getting tens of millions of dollars, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:53:27.660 I mean, so this is – I mean, this is big money stuff.

00:53:30.020 This is big political money stuff.

00:53:31.340 And I think Charlie maybe – I think he's probably a really good guy, and maybe when he kind of got involved in it, perhaps he's really young, maybe a little naive even, and he didn't realize once you get into bed with some of these political people, some of these geopolitical people, that's supposed to be a permanent relationship, and that's how they see it.

00:53:53.120 So, you know, if you do the mafia dirty when you're supposed to be doing business together, you know, what do they say?

00:54:01.800 You're sleeping with the fishes?

00:54:03.760 You're going to get a dead horse head in your bed?

00:54:06.040 So, you know, hypothetically speaking, I would say that would be why.

00:54:10.360 But again, I think it's mostly just circumstantial.

00:54:13.160 I think most people are looking that direction mostly just because of the current circumstances that we already covered.

00:54:19.880 What about Judeo-Christian values?

00:54:21.660 That's the common rhetoric.

00:54:23.120 You're a Christian, aren't you?

00:54:23.980 I never want to hear that word.

00:54:25.220 Every time I hear that word, I feel like an angel faints.

00:54:29.200 I'm so sick of it. 1.00

00:54:30.180 A made-up concept, a bullshit concept, the epitome of hyperbole, total propaganda. 1.00

00:54:38.940 Okay, so are you a Catholic, a Protestant? 1.00

00:54:41.360 What type of Christian?

00:54:42.760 I was raised Catholic.

00:54:44.740 I'm a Christian today.

00:54:46.240 You know, I'm not going to claim I'm a religious zealot.

00:54:48.500 Okay.

00:54:48.860 I respect my upbringing.

00:54:50.220 I respect my family that raised me Christian, and I respect that doctrine.

00:54:55.360 But I would say I am a big believer in God, a big believer in creation.

00:55:01.700 So, you know, people want to have a big religious debate.

00:55:03.760 I don't really want to get into that.

00:55:05.160 I'm not going to sit here and have a religious debate with you.

00:55:07.080 So God is real.

00:55:09.020 Creation is real.

00:55:10.980 And to me, that's really where it all starts, and that's where it all begins.

00:55:14.980 And, you know, all the different religions, you know, maybe they're good, maybe they're bad. 1.00

00:55:18.380 If they teach you to do good stuff, then I'd say they're good.

00:55:20.920 If not, well, then maybe we've got a problem.

00:55:22.600 But, you know, I came from a Catholic Christian family, but I'm a believer in God.

00:55:28.960 I'm a believer in creation.

00:55:30.640 And that, I feel, is not up for debate.

00:55:33.360 I completely agree 100% with everything you just said.

00:55:36.880 And what about Ted Cruz?

00:55:39.140 He said on Tucker Carlson's show that God will bless those who bless the state of Israel.

00:55:43.300 Doesn't that mean we should give them—

00:55:44.380 Just more religious propaganda.

00:55:45.920 Just more religious propaganda, more twisting the words of the Bible to get you to support a foreign nation.

00:55:51.040 That's all it is.

00:55:54.080 And are you optimistic?

00:55:56.280 Earlier you mentioned that you could see where this is going.

00:55:59.220 What are Owen Shroyer's predictions for the future of America?

00:56:04.060 All right.

00:56:04.900 Final comment here.

00:56:05.960 Final comment.

00:56:06.600 Let's get real heavy then.

00:56:08.020 Yeah.

00:56:09.280 This administration has basically, I think, sold us out to big tech.

00:56:14.380 Which is basically operating with the Israeli spy state.

00:56:19.760 And so that's where I see it going.

00:56:21.680 The military-industrial complex is kind of, I think, a thing of the past.

00:56:25.480 Now, it's still going to exist with, like, drone wars.

00:56:29.200 And they'll try to keep a bunch of proxy wars going. 0.99

00:56:31.340 But war is getting less and less necessary.

00:56:33.440 And it's getting less and less popular politically.

00:56:35.920 So I think the military-industrial complex is going to kind of turn into the security-technological-industrial complex.

00:56:43.520 With drones and AI surveillance all the time.

00:56:46.660 The pharmaceutical-industrial complex is still fighting for survival.

00:56:50.240 I think ultimately that gets defeated as well.

00:56:53.220 But ultimately, after these four years, I think that that's what we're going to be on.

00:56:56.780 I think we're going to be walking through the old generational political graveyard of what used to be the military-industrial complex.

00:57:05.400 The pharmaceutical-industrial complex.

00:57:07.500 Maybe even the foreign lobby complex.

00:57:09.820 Maybe, if we're lucky.

00:57:11.640 But when we get to the next election cycle, we're going to be into the AI, Skynet, you know, Terminator phase.

00:57:18.980 And I don't know what happens after that.

00:57:20.760 I don't think anybody knows.

00:57:22.060 We can only, you know, we can take what we've seen in the sci-fi movies.

00:57:25.000 Or maybe it could be good.

00:57:26.720 But then I think in 2028, I think that that's when the new generational right and the new generational left will finally have their day politically.

00:57:35.860 I think it's going to be the 2028 presidential election.

00:57:38.820 The new generational left, they have had three straight election cycles stolen from them.

00:57:44.120 It should have been Bernie Sanders for three straight presidential election cycles.

00:57:47.980 But the Democrats just steal their – they steal it so he could never get through.

00:57:51.920 Completely agree.

00:57:52.360 So the new generational left got rejected.

00:57:55.440 But after Mamdami wins, I think the Democrats are going to embrace it and say, okay, this is our path forward to victory now. 0.94

00:58:01.740 The old left is dead, right?

00:58:03.540 The old left, the old Democrats, Pelosi, the Biden type, they're done.

00:58:06.600 Nobody wants them anymore.

00:58:07.940 So I think the Democrats embrace the new generational left.

00:58:10.920 I think it's going to be a struggle session on the right.

00:58:13.040 But ultimately, I think 2028, the new generational right wins as well.

00:58:17.380 And issues like foreign wars, foreign entanglements, which are – conservative values are not getting involved in foreign entanglements.

00:58:26.660 So they've kind of twisted that into a conservative value.

00:58:28.980 I think that changes in 2028.

00:58:30.960 And then I think we can maybe start the process of taking our country back.

00:58:35.540 We'll see what Trump wants to do.

00:58:37.000 He's going to be in charge of his own legacy.

00:58:39.200 I don't know.

00:58:39.700 I'm not too confident about what he's going to leave us with in four years, but he's still got time to do it.

00:58:44.820 He's still in the first quarter.

00:58:47.100 So, you know, let's see a great comeback here potentially.

00:58:50.260 But that's where I see things going.

00:58:53.400 That's a great final comment.

00:58:55.120 I guess maybe next time I'll ask you about Palantir, about Peter Thiel, more a little bit about Trump and Epstein.

00:59:00.840 But I think that that was a great point to leave it on, man.

00:59:03.380 Owen Schroyer, thanks so much for coming on.

00:59:05.820 All right, man.

00:59:06.500 We wish you all the success.

00:59:07.540 Glad to be here.

00:59:08.360 Let's do it again.

00:59:09.120 All right.

00:59:09.780 Have a great rest of your night.

00:59:11.520 Thanks for coming on and God bless.

00:59:13.400 You too.

00:59:13.840 Peace and love.

00:59:14.680 Bye.

SNEAKO - September 16, 2025

SNEAKO's Full Interview With Owen Shroyer

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