SNEAKO - May 22, 2023


SNEAKO Tries To Convert Melina To Islam

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In this episode, we have our first guest on the show, a girl named Melina. She is a Muslim convert and a Buddhist convert. We talk about her views on the universe, Buddhism, and religion. We also talk about drugs and psychedelics.

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00:00:00 I explained a long time ago, but you don't seem to understand.
00:00:03 There's nothing that humans are able to conceptualize that does not have a beginning.
00:00:08 There's no example of anything you could bring up that does not start somewhere.
00:00:12 So if you think that the universe created itself, that doesn't make any sense.
00:00:15 We have never seen anything that didn't come from a start.
00:00:18 Everything has a start.
00:00:20 The only explanation for how everything was created, because as part of Allah's creation,
00:00:25 the only explanation is that something must be divine that we are not able to understand
00:00:30 because it's better and because it's greater than us that created everything that exists.
00:00:35 Thank you for the five zombie beasts. 0.95
00:00:37 Melina is still in that childish phase of sex, drugs, and travel. 1.00
00:00:39 I remember being like that when I was 18.
00:00:41 When she grows and matures, she will become a good wife, inshallah.
00:00:44 Great message.
00:00:44 That's good. Thank you.
00:00:46 When do you think you're going to grow up and accept Islam? 0.98
00:00:53 That's the one true religion. 0.82
00:00:54 Well, someone needs to convince me first.
00:00:56 I would have to like need a full-on convinced dream, you know, or something.
00:00:59 Okay, I can give you Dawah right now before we...
00:01:01 We have a lot of stuff to react to, chat, but should I...
00:01:03 Tell me what if I should give her Dawah right now. 1.00
00:01:05 I tried to last time and then you just went off a tangent.
00:01:07 I started explaining.
00:01:07 You're like, what about Buddhism?
00:01:09 Like, I didn't even finish. 0.91
00:01:09 Yeah, I'm just so gay.
00:01:10 I kind of want you to like read about Buddhism. 0.71
00:01:11 I think you just like Buddhism because you can just do a bunch of Haram stuff
00:01:14 and then not really get any repercussions for you.
00:01:16 It's just about like love and everything around you and like God and universe and everything.
00:01:20 That's kind of what it is about.
00:01:21 It's just about love.
00:01:22 It's just about love.
00:01:23 Yeah, I like that.
00:01:24 So you just do whatever you want.
00:01:25 You love everything.
00:01:26 You love awareness and existing.
00:01:28 Like, that's like really cool.
00:01:29 Doesn't that sound cool?
00:01:30 Are there any rules?
00:01:32 I actually don't know.
00:01:33 I don't know too much about it, but like just the main idea of it.
00:01:36 That's what I'm saying.
00:01:36 It sounds like you just like it because there's no repercussions for your actions in Buddhism.
00:01:39 I don't know if like negative rules, like making people not do certain things.
00:01:43 I like the idea of just like being aware, like not being forced is like a certain thing.
00:01:49 Otherwise, you're not like a real thing for it or whatever.
00:01:52 Like, yeah.
00:01:55 Okay.
00:01:55 That's probably why.
00:01:56 Why do you think the entire universe?
00:01:57 I'll tell you.
00:01:58 I'll explain it to you the way I found Islam.
00:02:01 How do you think everything was created?
00:02:03 Everything that you see, everything that's around us.
00:02:05 Oh, I have absolutely no idea.
00:02:06 That's like the question that we're all asking, right?
00:02:09 We have no idea why we're here, what we're doing.
00:02:11 Well, don't you sometimes have you noticed because you believe in love all the time
00:02:15 that there must be an instance of something divine.
00:02:19 Like sometimes when you're in nature and then the birds will come at a certain time
00:02:22 or you look at the ocean and the way the waves hit
00:02:24 or you look like the way a flower grows
00:02:26 or you see a baby and how pure it is
00:02:27 that there's something or like the patterns you see how some plants look like genitals,
00:02:32 for example, or how you see things that look alike.
00:02:35 Like sometimes you can look in the sky and things look like an eye, for example.
00:02:39 You see a lot of patterns and there's a lot of signs.
00:02:43 Can you admit that you've seen a lot of signs that show that there must have been
00:02:46 some sort of divine creator?
00:02:49 I'm not really sure if it would be a divine creator that would be like the answer to it,
00:02:53 but that things are really magical, yeah.
00:02:55 Okay.
00:02:56 So if things are magical, then it doesn't mean that everything,
00:02:59 everything that you see is not just random.
00:03:04 It could be.
00:03:05 You've noticed patterns.
00:03:06 Yes, we do notice patterns, but we also put things together
00:03:08 that doesn't necessarily have to be a pattern.
00:03:10 Like an animal wouldn't notice probably a pattern in the same way as a human does, right?
00:03:14 So it could be the case that we're just like seeing things everywhere.
00:03:17 Like if I take mushrooms.
00:03:18 How do you know that's not true that animals don't see patterns, for example.
00:03:21 Like they all are connected.
00:03:22 You see birds fly in a flock and they don't really, they don't even communicate in a way
00:03:26 that we understand.
00:03:26 Yeah, it might be the case that they are seeing it.
00:03:28 But like, okay, have you ever done mushrooms before?
00:03:31 Yeah.
00:03:31 You have.
00:03:32 You see patterns that you probably wouldn't see as much if you were sober.
00:03:37 Right.
00:03:37 Yeah.
00:03:38 So I think, I feel like it has to do with that a lot more.
00:03:41 Like, do you think that if you're high on mushrooms, you might be more connected to God in that
00:03:44 case because you see a lot of patterns?
00:03:46 Possibly.
00:03:47 Yeah.
00:03:47 But you don't do mushrooms.
00:03:49 I have done mushrooms.
00:03:50 I don't do it anymore.
00:03:50 I don't, I don't feel the need to because once you understand like what it's helping
00:03:53 you see, there's no need to do it.
00:03:55 Yeah, that's true.
00:03:55 And where do mushrooms go from the earth?
00:03:57 So something from the earth that like, no one made that in a lab.
00:04:01 It's something that comes from the earth.
00:04:02 You think that's better?
00:04:02 But I asked you to do kava once and you said no, even though that's also.
00:04:05 I don't do drugs anymore, but I know, but a mushroom, mushroom is a drug too, right?
00:04:09 But it comes from earth or smoking weed is the same thing.
00:04:11 It's a plant.
00:04:11 So there are these things that can alter your brain that come from the earth.
00:04:15 Yeah.
00:04:15 So there, there must be some, those are okay.
00:04:16 It's like smoking weed is okay.
00:04:17 It's not about okay.
00:04:18 There you're pointing out things that must show that there's some sort of divine creation
00:04:22 out there.
00:04:23 Something, there's someone there that must have created this.
00:04:26 I don't know.
00:04:26 I don't know about that.
00:04:27 It can't just exist from nothing.
00:04:30 No, but I don't know if it's a person or like.
00:04:32 I didn't say a person.
00:04:33 No, it could be just like the universe itself should be a creation, right?
00:04:37 Right.
00:04:38 So something created it or the universe created itself.
00:04:41 Maybe.
00:04:42 And we don't know if it's a creator, if it's like, just like the universe that happened.
00:04:45 It doesn't have to be, you're, you're attributing the image of a creator and that maybe that's
00:04:50 holding you back, but something, something, in essence, whatever you want to believe in
00:04:53 it.
00:04:53 If it's love, if it's universe, there, there is something that created everything.
00:04:58 Maybe.
00:04:58 I mean, we don't know that, but let's say that it is.
00:05:02 Okay.
00:05:03 And then you have to look at the one religion that respects that there is one creator and
00:05:08 that acknowledges the only monotheistic religion.
00:05:11 And that's Islam. 0.70
00:05:12 Islam has stood the test of time.
00:05:14 The book is written 1400 years ago.
00:05:15 It hasn't been altered.
00:05:16 And then everything that came from Muhammad's peace be upon him that came from his mouth 0.97
00:05:20 when he was reciting the Quran, he didn't even really know how to read and write properly.
00:05:24 He was sent by the creator and he just started reciting his words.
00:05:28 He started telling exactly what Allah wanted him to say.
00:05:31 And then they were able to go and transcribe it.
00:05:33 And from that day, he was able to describe the patterns in the universe.
00:05:37 He was able to describe the waters.
00:05:39 And he, he even knew that there was an orbit.
00:05:40 He knew about the sun and the moon and what times of day that we should pray and how it
00:05:43 correlates to the rest of the plants.
00:05:45 There's a lot of signs in the Quran that show that it, it cannot just be from the mouth
00:05:51 of a, of a human.
00:05:52 It can't just be, it must've been the creator sending him a message.
00:05:55 How do you know that it's just one creator, not plenty?
00:05:58 How would you know that for sure?
00:05:59 Because even if there are plenty of creators or plenty of prophets, which there were, there
00:06:04 must've been, there's always has to come to one.
00:06:06 Something must've created everything.
00:06:08 We don't know that.
00:06:09 I feel like there's no proof of that, that there's one creator or there's multiple.
00:06:12 Nothing can exist without somebody creating it.
00:06:14 Without something.
00:06:15 Yeah, but who created that person?
00:06:16 Who created the God?
00:06:17 There has to, it has to end at one point.
00:06:19 It has to.
00:06:20 Yeah, but who created the God in that case?
00:06:22 That's where it ends.
00:06:23 Yeah, but you said that it can't end.
00:06:25 So what if there's like several gods, like it doesn't make sense.
00:06:29 If, even if there were several gods or several prophets, for example, it always has to go
00:06:33 back to one divine creator, something that is greater than us, greater than we can even
00:06:36 conceptualize, greater than we can even understand.
00:06:41 Yeah.
00:06:41 But if you're saying that, why one in that case?
00:06:43 Why couldn't it just be the same thing with like, let's say that it's five different creators
00:06:47 that created everything.
00:06:48 And you say someone must have created them, but in that case, I could say that someone
00:06:51 must have created that one God in that case too.
00:06:54 Why couldn't it just be five in that case instead of one?
00:06:56 Because it always has to go back to something that's more divine than the rest.
00:06:59 There's always something that's greater than other.
00:07:03 If there were five.
00:07:04 How do you know that it has to be that way?
00:07:06 What proof do you see in the real world?
00:07:09 Because there's always a hierarchy.
00:07:10 There always has to be some sort of supremacy.
00:07:14 That's how everything is made.
00:07:15 A chicken can't come without an egg being laid.
00:07:20 Yeah, but who laid the egg?
00:07:21 A chicken always comes.
00:07:23 So don't think about it like that.
00:07:25 There's a divine chicken and the universe is the egg.
00:07:29 One greater thing that we cannot understand, that it's not worth explaining, that it's not
00:07:33 worth trying to go and draw or really try to conceptualize or figure out, there must be
00:07:38 one.
00:07:38 And there's no point in us even trying to understand what this is, but there's something
00:07:42 divine that is responsible for our existence here.
00:07:44 Okay, so how do we even know in that case that this one creator has set a bunch of rules?
00:07:50 Like, what do those rules come from?
00:07:51 Like, how do we know that, like, from the things that we see around us, that these has
00:07:55 to be the cases of rules?
00:07:56 Like, how do we know that that is 100% true?
00:07:58 Because all the things that we're seeing, if we see a flower that looks like another one
00:08:01 or something like that, we see a bunch of patterns.
00:08:02 How does that end up into words of, like, this is what you're allowed to, and this is
00:08:06 what you're not allowed to do?
00:08:08 Because it's very specific, right?
00:08:09 What does it have to do with the flower?
00:08:11 Like, you're telling, it sounds like you're telling me, or maybe you're not, that all the
00:08:17 things that's in the Quran or the Bible or whatever, there's a bunch of, like, rules,
00:08:21 right?
00:08:21 How do we know that those rules are actually real?
00:08:23 Because you say, like, oh, we see everything around us, so we must think that there has
00:08:27 to be a bunch of, like, there has to be a God, there has to be things, because there's
00:08:30 patterns around us, we can read into those patterns, oh, how to live life in the best
00:08:34 way possible.
00:08:35 So how do we know that the things that's in the Quran is actually the correct way of living?
00:08:40 Because we are the one species that we don't just act, we can think before we act.
00:08:47 Other species, they're born, and then they know exactly what they have to do.
00:08:50 They don't contemplate the same way we do.
00:08:52 They don't hold a banana, or they don't hold a piece of fruit.
00:08:56 A flower doesn't look at itself and think, I don't want to be a flower.
00:08:59 I asked about the patterns, like, why do you think the rules in the Quran are the rules
00:09:02 that is the real ones?
00:09:03 Because the rules apply for us, for people, because we are...
00:09:05 Yeah, no, but isn't the same thing in the Bible?
00:09:08 It is, but the Bible has, that's true, there's, but the Bible has more inconsistencies and does
00:09:14 not believe in, they believe in the Trinity, they don't believe in one creator, they believe
00:09:17 that Jesus was also God.
00:09:18 So a man cannot be God. 0.71
00:09:21 There has to be one divine creator.
00:09:23 That's an inconsistency, a hypocrisy within the Bible that doesn't make sense.
00:09:27 In Islam, there's just one creator, and we worship him.
00:09:31 And even if you look at the Bible, Jesus, he prayed down, he put his head on the, put 0.75
00:09:34 his head to the floor when he worshiped Allah.
00:09:36 Wasn't he praying at God?
00:09:37 Was he praying to himself?
00:09:38 He was praying to God.
00:09:39 That's why the Bible didn't get everything right. 0.62
00:09:40 But he is a God as well.
00:09:41 Is it true God?
00:09:42 The Christians got it wrong. 1.00
00:09:43 They got it wrong.
00:09:44 They thought, they thought that Jesus was God.
00:09:46 He was one of the prophets, peace be upon him, that was sent by Allah, but Muhammad was 1.00
00:09:49 a, peace be upon him, was a final prophet.
00:09:51 So the Christians were, they have been misguided. 1.00
00:09:54 They think that, if you look in the Bible, Jesus would pray exactly the way Muslims do. 1.00
00:09:59 Jesus believes in the Father.
00:10:00 Jesus believed in God.
00:10:01 Jesus, in essence, was a Muslim.
00:10:03 He was ethnically a Jew, but the way he prayed in the worship and the way he believed,
00:10:06 he was Muslim.
00:10:08 I see.
00:10:09 They don't say that in the Bible, but everything that he practiced, like you could definitely
00:10:12 argue that Jesus was a Muslim.
00:10:14 Not ethnically, but theologically, yeah.
00:10:17 Mm-hmm.
00:10:18 So why not Buddhism or Hinduism?
00:10:22 Why?
00:10:22 Because they believe in multiple, they believe in like different gods and energy.
00:10:27 I think that's Hinduism that believes in multiple gods.
00:10:28 Yeah, they believe in all these different weird idols.
00:10:31 But I feel like Buddhism kind of just like believes that the universe is God itself.
00:10:35 That doesn't make any sense.
00:10:36 Why?
00:10:36 How can the universe, the universe can't have created itself.
00:10:39 That doesn't make sense.
00:10:40 Why not?
00:10:41 How could something create itself?
00:10:42 Why would you need like an individual to do it?
00:10:44 Why couldn't it just create itself?
00:10:46 Because I feel like that makes a lot more sense that the universe could just create itself.
00:10:48 Explain something that's created itself.
00:10:50 I can't explain that.
00:10:51 So why even argue that?
00:10:53 But from the start, something was going to happen.
00:10:54 That's what I'm saying.
00:10:55 This is why Islam is the only religion that makes sense. 1.00
00:10:56 But I can't like figure out that there's like an individual or like one thing that like
00:11:00 created the entire thing.
00:11:01 I feel like that makes a lot less sense than just like it created itself.
00:11:04 Because we are.
00:11:05 To me personally.
00:11:06 Because we exist in the universe.
00:11:07 We are part of the universe.
00:11:08 We are not greater than the universe.
00:11:10 So we cannot have created it.
00:11:11 Something always.
00:11:12 The creator has to be something that's greater than its creation.
00:11:15 So for anything to have existed, there has to have been one divine creator.
00:11:19 Something that we can't conceptualize.
00:11:21 That created everything.
00:11:22 I feel like it makes more sense that everything is created itself.
00:11:24 I feel like it makes sense.
00:11:26 But explain something that's created itself.
00:11:28 How does that make more sense?
00:11:29 I can't explain it.
00:11:30 So how does it make more sense if you can't explain it?
00:11:31 But from time, with time and space, things has happened.
00:11:34 And I feel like it just has developed by itself.
00:11:37 From like being...
00:11:37 Name one.
00:11:38 Okay.
00:11:38 But you're saying that makes more sense.
00:11:39 But also like...
00:11:39 But also from the...
00:11:40 We don't even know where the start is.
00:11:42 Like it probably is no starts.
00:11:43 Everything is just happening.
00:11:44 Like everything is just happening randomly.
00:11:46 What does it have a start?
00:11:47 Explain something that doesn't have a start.
00:11:48 The universe.
00:11:50 But you can't explain that because you haven't seen it.
00:11:51 No, I have absolutely no idea.
00:11:52 Yeah, but you can't explain that there's an individual person that's started everything, right?
00:11:56 But that's the only logical explanation because...
00:11:58 Explain something that you have seen and what you know of the universe and everything.
00:12:02 It does not have a beginning and an end.
00:12:04 Something that you have seen.
00:12:05 Something that you can conceptualize that doesn't have a beginning and an end.
00:12:08 Everything you know has started, has been created.
00:12:10 Everything.
00:12:11 There's nothing that just exists.
00:12:12 Well, not really.
00:12:14 Not really.
00:12:15 What?
00:12:16 Because it's not like a flower comes from absolutely nothing.
00:12:18 There's like a bunch of different particles that comes together, right?
00:12:20 Like everyone a star does.
00:12:23 Like it's like the earth wasn't just like created just like that.
00:12:27 Like it's a lot of different things that happen in time and space.
00:12:31 Right, the seed creates a flower, but something has to create the seed.
00:12:33 And then you can go back and say the fertilizing or the dirt, but it always goes back to something.
00:12:37 Something is not created without something.
00:12:39 Something you can't just create.
00:12:40 Yeah, but it's not.
00:12:41 Something can't create itself.
00:12:42 But the atoms itself is already there, right?
00:12:45 No, it's not.
00:12:46 Of course it is.
00:12:46 It always has to go back.
00:12:47 If you trail back anything, it has to come from some creation.
00:12:49 That's like a thing itself, but like, how do I explain this?
00:12:52 Like if you poop, it becomes dirt.
00:12:54 And then in that dirt, it grows flowers.
00:12:56 But you created the poop.
00:12:57 And they're just doing that.
00:12:58 Yeah, I know.
00:12:59 And it does that forever.
00:13:00 My point is.
00:13:00 But why does it have to, but why does it have to.
00:13:01 My point is, you didn't answer my question.
00:13:03 I'm asking you to explain something that you have seen that does not have a beginning.
00:13:07 Everything that you are aware of.
00:13:08 But it doesn't really have a beginning.
00:13:09 It just goes, it just goes on forever, right?
00:13:12 To eternity.
00:13:13 Can you name something, something that you know in existence that does not have a beginning?
00:13:17 That doesn't have a beginning.
00:13:18 Yes.
00:13:19 I don't think that anything really has an end or a beginning.
00:13:23 Like we can look at like a flower that dies, whatever, but it's a lot more complicated
00:13:26 than that because it's all the atoms and everything, right?
00:13:28 But before it was a flower, it wasn't a flower.
00:13:29 It was something.
00:13:30 Yeah, but it's not like.
00:13:31 There you go.
00:13:31 For it to become a flower.
00:13:32 But where is the start?
00:13:33 There's no start or an end.
00:13:34 It just keeps going on forever.
00:13:35 But before it was a flower, it's something else.
00:13:37 So the creation of a flower started, there was an inception of a flower.
00:13:41 You mean that the energy that started to grow the flower is God?
00:13:45 Is that what you mean?
00:13:46 Because the flower was something else before it became a flower, clearly, because that's
00:13:50 like how physics work.
00:13:52 Do you see how you're not answering like what I'm saying?
00:13:56 I don't understand what you're saying.
00:13:57 I'm asking you to explain something that you know of that did not have a beginning.
00:14:01 The flower, and I understand that it comes from something else.
00:14:04 Yeah.
00:14:04 But it has a beginning that you are aware of.
00:14:07 It came from something.
00:14:08 You mean when it's like when it is existing as a flower?
00:14:10 Yes.
00:14:11 It has a start and an end.
00:14:12 Yeah, sure.
00:14:12 Everything that exists has a start.
00:14:15 Yes.
00:14:15 Everything that you are aware of.
00:14:17 Everything.
00:14:17 But I don't think you could think about it that way.
00:14:20 Right?
00:14:20 I don't think that really works.
00:14:21 What are the ways that I think about it?
00:14:23 Like you can think about life as a start and an ending and stuff like that.
00:14:26 Right?
00:14:26 But you can't really like like rocks.
00:14:32 Where does that come from?
00:14:33 It comes from sand.
00:14:34 Yeah.
00:14:35 Or yeah.
00:14:35 And then it becomes rocks if it puts together in a long time.
00:14:38 And then it becomes sand again.
00:14:40 And then it does that over and over and over again.
00:14:41 Right?
00:14:42 Okay.
00:14:42 But it had to have come from sand first.
00:14:44 So everything has a beginning.
00:14:45 Or I mean.
00:14:45 Everything that you were going to explain.
00:14:46 But it's a rock from the beginning too.
00:14:48 Right?
00:14:48 It gets like crushed.
00:14:49 And then like by time it becomes together again.
00:14:52 But eventually it started from a piece of sand.
00:14:53 So my point is everything that you can think of and conceptualize.
00:14:56 I'm sure it comes from a rocket from the space.
00:14:59 Like billions of years.
00:15:00 Regardless of what you're saying.
00:15:02 Everything has a beginning.
00:15:03 You see what you're saying?
00:15:04 Yes.
00:15:05 Everything comes.
00:15:06 But something happens before that too.
00:15:08 There's things that come.
00:15:09 There's a lot of things that happen before that.
00:15:10 Do you know what happened before that?
00:15:11 If you go all the way back.
00:15:13 It must have been a divine creator.
00:15:15 That's the only explanation for the universe.
00:15:17 You can't just go back and then.
00:15:18 Or it could just go on forever.
00:15:21 And everything just kind of like happened.
00:15:23 We don't know if it has a certain beginning.
00:15:24 If it does go on.
00:15:24 If the universe does go on forever.
00:15:26 It must have had a start.
00:15:28 No.
00:15:29 Nothing could go on forever without a beginning.
00:15:30 Well it.
00:15:31 But not really.
00:15:32 And you explained that just now.
00:15:33 By not bringing up anything that does not have a beginning.
00:15:35 No.
00:15:36 But like life could.
00:15:37 Sure.
00:15:38 Like something like existing or living.
00:15:39 Or like becoming like a thing that we can physically see.
00:15:41 We can like think about a flower as an individual thing.
00:15:45 But before that flower was a flower.
00:15:46 It was something else.
00:15:47 You're going in circles now.
00:15:48 No.
00:15:49 This is legit what it is.
00:15:50 Right.
00:15:50 Like the part.
00:15:52 Like the autumns was something else before that.
00:15:55 Yeah.
00:15:55 We agree.
00:15:56 So there was no start and ending.
00:15:57 It was just the same thing.
00:15:58 But like it got created to like a thing for a little bit.
00:16:02 And then it died.
00:16:03 And then it like became something else later on.
00:16:05 But that goes on forever.
00:16:06 Of course.
00:16:08 Yeah.
00:16:08 But it has nothing.
00:16:09 Well then if you go back like I've explained.
00:16:11 But in that case there must.
00:16:12 If you think about it as a God.
00:16:13 There has to be something from the beginning as well.
00:16:16 What was God before it became a God?
00:16:17 It has to be that case.
00:16:18 Because that's what everything is.
00:16:19 But that doesn't make any sense.
00:16:20 The only logical explanation is there must be something divine.
00:16:23 That is greater than all of the creations that we are able to conceptualize.
00:16:27 Because it comes from.
00:16:28 Because right.
00:16:29 Because.
00:16:29 You're not understanding.
00:16:30 If you're thinking about God as a flower.
00:16:32 You're in the argument mode.
00:16:34 It's not.
00:16:34 No.
00:16:35 I'm trying to.
00:16:35 You're telling me that the flower has a beginning and an end.
00:16:39 So God has to have the same thing.
00:16:42 But the flower is like.
00:16:43 Yeah.
00:16:43 Like being a flower has a beginning and an end.
00:16:46 But before that it was something else.
00:16:48 Yes.
00:16:48 You said this five times now.
00:16:49 You said this five times now.
00:16:50 Yeah.
00:16:50 If you think about the flower as a God.
00:16:53 Right.
00:16:53 What?
00:16:53 Because if you think about the flower as a God.
00:16:56 It must have a before in that case.
00:16:58 That's not what anybody said.
00:16:59 But you said that everything goes like this.
00:17:01 It must be one creation.
00:17:02 And then it all spread out to like a bunch of existence.
00:17:05 Right.
00:17:05 That's like how you're explaining it.
00:17:07 Right.
00:17:08 You're explaining that everything comes from a beginning and an end.
00:17:11 But you haven't given me an argument for why that is.
00:17:14 Because I explained a long time ago.
00:17:17 But you don't seem to understand.
00:17:18 There's nothing that humans are able to conceptualize.
00:17:21 That does not have a beginning.
00:17:24 There's no example of anything you could bring up.
00:17:26 That does not start somewhere.
00:17:27 So if you think that the universe created itself.
00:17:29 That doesn't make any sense.
00:17:30 We have never seen anything that didn't come from a start.
00:17:33 Everything has a start.
00:17:35 The only explanation for how everything was created.
00:17:38 Because as part of Allah's creation.
00:17:41 The only explanation is that something must be divine.
00:17:44 That we are not able to understand.
00:17:46 Because it's better.
00:17:47 And because it's greater than us.
00:17:48 That created everything that exists.
00:17:51 Something cannot create itself.
00:17:53 That has never existed in existence.
00:17:55 And there's no point in arguing that.
00:17:56 Well we don't know that.
00:17:57 100%.
00:17:58 If you have never seen that.
00:18:00 If you have never understood that to be the case.
00:18:03 Then why argue for that?
00:18:05 What am I?
00:18:06 I'm not arguing for God.
00:18:07 I'm not arguing.
00:18:08 You're arguing against God.
00:18:10 Yeah.
00:18:10 I don't think there's like an individual that has created everything.
00:18:13 And that's all that goes back to.
00:18:15 I think we don't know.
00:18:16 That's what I think.
00:18:17 Because it doesn't.
00:18:19 I don't think there's an individual or a star.
00:18:21 I don't.
00:18:22 I feel like it's probably just infinity.
00:18:26 How could.
00:18:26 Okay.
00:18:27 I feel like everything is just infinity.
00:18:28 But you need to stop going based off of what you feel.
00:18:31 And think about what makes sense.
00:18:33 If you are.
00:18:33 I mean infinity is probably a real thing.
00:18:35 Don't you think?
00:18:36 But it's not just about how I.
00:18:37 I can't just feel like it's infinity.
00:18:39 No.
00:18:40 But I can explain.
00:18:41 I'm giving you the logical explanation for this.
00:18:42 I feel like I can explain what infinity is.
00:18:44 Because something goes on forever.
00:18:45 Yeah.
00:18:46 Okay.
00:18:46 And from before too.
00:18:48 But you don't believe in infinity in that case.
00:18:49 No.
00:18:51 No.
00:18:51 Something.
00:18:51 Because infinity doesn't work without a star.
00:18:53 It's a.
00:18:53 Nothing.
00:18:54 Nothing that you.
00:18:54 Okay.
00:18:54 In that case I'm curious.
00:18:55 If you cut your.
00:18:57 Not that one.
00:18:58 If you cut this in half.
00:18:59 Let's say we took this part here.
00:19:01 We cut it in half.
00:19:02 How many times do you think you could do it until there's an end?
00:19:07 An end to what?
00:19:08 It will get smaller and smaller.
00:19:10 Yeah.
00:19:10 How long?
00:19:11 Until it stops.
00:19:12 Well it would be smaller than my knife.
00:19:14 So I wouldn't be able to cut it anymore.
00:19:15 No I know.
00:19:16 But let's say that you could.
00:19:17 How many times could you do that?
00:19:19 You think.
00:19:19 Physically.
00:19:20 Like how many times can you do it?
00:19:21 You could do it until infinity.
00:19:23 No.
00:19:24 There's no knife that would be that size.
00:19:25 No no no.
00:19:26 Let's say that there's no knife.
00:19:26 Let's say that there's a magic knife that can cut it all the way.
00:19:30 How.
00:19:30 How long can you do it?
00:19:31 Or let's say that you take this and you double it up.
00:19:33 And you do knots.
00:19:34 What's the point of this argument?
00:19:37 Infinity is a real thing.
00:19:39 That's what I'm trying to argue for you.
00:19:41 So we don't know if there's.
00:19:42 But you see where the start comes from?
00:19:45 It always starts somewhere.
00:19:47 Everything has a start.
00:19:48 Well you could always like double it up as well.
00:19:51 Right?
00:19:51 You could always like make it.
00:19:52 That doesn't refute my argument.
00:19:53 That doesn't refute my point.
00:19:55 Everything that you can conceptualize has a beginning.
00:19:57 And you haven't been able to debunk that.
00:19:59 I mean you could do it forever.
00:20:01 That's the thing.
00:20:01 Like everything is.
00:20:03 You can cut everything to infinity.
00:20:04 But you could also like plus everything to infinity.
00:20:06 Right?
00:20:07 Like it's the same thing with numbers.
00:20:08 If you think about numbers.
00:20:09 It could go on forever.
00:20:11 Right?
00:20:12 Just like anything.
00:20:13 So life could be the same thing.
00:20:14 Like or not life.
00:20:15 But like existence.
00:20:16 Where do you start counting from?
00:20:18 Well.
00:20:20 Present.
00:20:22 Buddhism. 0.82
00:20:23 Being right here right now.
00:20:24 But that's.
00:20:24 That has nothing.
00:20:25 That's not numbers.
00:20:26 Numbers isn't Buddhism.
00:20:27 Where do you start counting?
00:20:28 I have no idea.
00:20:29 You can start counting from anywhere.
00:20:30 Right?
00:20:31 But like.
00:20:31 But it's.
00:20:31 It's literally infinity.
00:20:33 Where does numerology start?
00:20:35 What's that mean?
00:20:36 Sorry.
00:20:37 When you start counting.
00:20:38 What number do you start counting from?
00:20:40 Usually one.
00:20:41 But you could also.
00:20:42 But you could also.
00:20:42 Yeah.
00:20:43 Zero.
00:20:43 But you could also go down.
00:20:44 Right?
00:20:44 And you could also go up.
00:20:45 My point is.
00:20:46 Is that.
00:20:47 It doesn't seem like.
00:20:49 It's just like a flower.
00:20:50 Everything has a start.
00:20:51 It's just not like a flower.
00:20:52 Everything has a beginning.
00:20:53 Even numbers.
00:20:54 But not really.
00:20:55 Because you can go down.
00:20:56 Yeah.
00:20:56 But like.
00:20:57 You could still go both ways.
00:20:59 Is my point.
00:21:00 So.
00:21:00 Sure.
00:21:01 But you're equating time.
00:21:02 Yeah.
00:21:02 You could start counting with a flower.
00:21:04 But you could also think about what happened before it was a flower.
00:21:07 And what happens after it's a flower.
00:21:08 Right?
00:21:09 But just because there's a start.
00:21:10 Or whatever.
00:21:11 Doesn't mean.
00:21:11 That there hasn't been like.
00:21:13 Well.
00:21:14 It kind of is the existence.
00:21:15 Right?
00:21:16 Like.
00:21:16 A long time ago.
00:21:17 There has to be a God that created everything.
00:21:19 Right?
00:21:19 So.
00:21:19 We kind of are.
00:21:20 We kind of think.
00:21:21 We have to think about time.
00:21:22 I don't think you need to think of it in terms of time.
00:21:24 Or in terms of when.
00:21:25 But something must have created.
00:21:28 That's all.
00:21:28 That's.
00:21:28 You need to.
00:21:29 Like.
00:21:30 You've seen those space movies.
00:21:31 That where time isn't real.
00:21:33 Or whatever.
00:21:33 And it's cyclical.
00:21:34 Or whatever.
00:21:35 Don't think in terms of time.
00:21:37 There's.
00:21:37 It's irrefutable.
00:21:38 That everything we are aware of.
00:21:41 Has a start.
00:21:42 True or false?
00:21:44 I don't.
00:21:45 I think I know of that.
00:21:47 I don't think I believe that actually.
00:21:49 I mean.
00:21:50 You could start it from a certain spot.
00:21:52 But there has been stuff that's happened beforehand.
00:21:54 Just like the flower.
00:21:55 Like.
00:21:56 Before the flower was a flower.
00:21:57 It was something else.
00:21:59 So there's not.
00:21:59 Like.
00:22:00 We don't know if there's a start.
00:22:01 Or an end.
00:22:01 That's kind of the whole thing.
00:22:02 Yeah.
00:22:03 I try.
00:22:03 I try.
00:22:04 You can try.
00:22:05 I mean.
00:22:05 You're.
00:22:06 Here's a.
00:22:06 You can.
00:22:07 You can try a lot.
00:22:08 You're perfectly fine for it.
00:22:11 I'm sorry.
00:22:11 Okay.
00:22:18 That's it.
00:22:18 Is this your job?
00:22:19 Is this your job?