SNEAKO - SNEAKO Tries To Convert Melina To Islam

00:00:00.000 I explained a long time ago, but you don't seem to understand.

00:00:03.480 There's nothing that humans are able to conceptualize that does not have a beginning.

00:00:08.780 There's no example of anything you could bring up that does not start somewhere.

00:00:12.560 So if you think that the universe created itself, that doesn't make any sense.

00:00:15.600 We have never seen anything that didn't come from a start.

00:00:18.400 Everything has a start.

00:00:20.020 The only explanation for how everything was created, because as part of Allah's creation,

00:00:25.260 the only explanation is that something must be divine that we are not able to understand

00:00:30.980 because it's better and because it's greater than us that created everything that exists.

00:00:35.560 Thank you for the five zombie beasts. 0.95

00:00:37.200 Melina is still in that childish phase of sex, drugs, and travel. 1.00

00:00:39.780 I remember being like that when I was 18.

00:00:41.280 When she grows and matures, she will become a good wife, inshallah.

00:00:44.040 Great message.

00:00:44.980 That's good. Thank you.

00:00:46.580 When do you think you're going to grow up and accept Islam? 0.98

00:00:53.420 That's the one true religion. 0.82

00:00:54.280 Well, someone needs to convince me first.

00:00:56.500 I would have to like need a full-on convinced dream, you know, or something.

00:00:59.980 Okay, I can give you Dawah right now before we...

00:01:01.420 We have a lot of stuff to react to, chat, but should I...

00:01:03.480 Tell me what if I should give her Dawah right now. 1.00

00:01:05.440 I tried to last time and then you just went off a tangent.

00:01:07.140 I started explaining.

00:01:07.800 You're like, what about Buddhism?

00:01:09.000 Like, I didn't even finish. 0.91

00:01:09.900 Yeah, I'm just so gay.

00:01:10.420 I kind of want you to like read about Buddhism. 0.71

00:01:11.720 I think you just like Buddhism because you can just do a bunch of Haram stuff

00:01:14.520 and then not really get any repercussions for you.

00:01:16.260 It's just about like love and everything around you and like God and universe and everything.

00:01:20.100 That's kind of what it is about.

00:01:21.180 It's just about love.

00:01:22.120 It's just about love.

00:01:23.340 Yeah, I like that.

00:01:24.760 So you just do whatever you want.

00:01:25.920 You love everything.

00:01:26.660 You love awareness and existing.

00:01:28.280 Like, that's like really cool.

00:01:29.360 Doesn't that sound cool?

00:01:30.340 Are there any rules?

00:01:32.580 I actually don't know.

00:01:33.780 I don't know too much about it, but like just the main idea of it.

00:01:36.080 That's what I'm saying.

00:01:36.400 It sounds like you just like it because there's no repercussions for your actions in Buddhism.

00:01:39.860 I don't know if like negative rules, like making people not do certain things.

00:01:43.780 I like the idea of just like being aware, like not being forced is like a certain thing.

00:01:49.380 Otherwise, you're not like a real thing for it or whatever.

00:01:52.280 Like, yeah.

00:01:55.240 Okay.

00:01:55.680 That's probably why.

00:01:56.120 Why do you think the entire universe?

00:01:57.840 I'll tell you.

00:01:58.420 I'll explain it to you the way I found Islam.

00:02:01.520 How do you think everything was created?

00:02:03.660 Everything that you see, everything that's around us.

00:02:05.160 Oh, I have absolutely no idea.

00:02:06.220 That's like the question that we're all asking, right?

00:02:09.020 We have no idea why we're here, what we're doing.

00:02:11.760 Well, don't you sometimes have you noticed because you believe in love all the time

00:02:15.300 that there must be an instance of something divine.

00:02:19.160 Like sometimes when you're in nature and then the birds will come at a certain time

00:02:22.400 or you look at the ocean and the way the waves hit

00:02:24.280 or you look like the way a flower grows

00:02:26.260 or you see a baby and how pure it is

00:02:27.980 that there's something or like the patterns you see how some plants look like genitals,

00:02:32.620 for example, or how you see things that look alike.

00:02:35.120 Like sometimes you can look in the sky and things look like an eye, for example.

00:02:39.240 You see a lot of patterns and there's a lot of signs.

00:02:43.160 Can you admit that you've seen a lot of signs that show that there must have been

00:02:46.760 some sort of divine creator?

00:02:49.020 I'm not really sure if it would be a divine creator that would be like the answer to it,

00:02:53.500 but that things are really magical, yeah.

00:02:55.840 Okay.

00:02:56.100 So if things are magical, then it doesn't mean that everything,

00:02:59.060 everything that you see is not just random.

00:03:04.520 It could be.

00:03:05.360 You've noticed patterns.

00:03:06.320 Yes, we do notice patterns, but we also put things together

00:03:08.740 that doesn't necessarily have to be a pattern.

00:03:10.820 Like an animal wouldn't notice probably a pattern in the same way as a human does, right?

00:03:14.920 So it could be the case that we're just like seeing things everywhere.

00:03:17.140 Like if I take mushrooms.

00:03:18.100 How do you know that's not true that animals don't see patterns, for example.

00:03:21.480 Like they all are connected.

00:03:22.740 You see birds fly in a flock and they don't really, they don't even communicate in a way

00:03:26.140 that we understand.

00:03:26.440 Yeah, it might be the case that they are seeing it.

00:03:28.240 But like, okay, have you ever done mushrooms before?

00:03:31.060 Yeah.

00:03:31.520 You have.

00:03:32.180 You see patterns that you probably wouldn't see as much if you were sober.

00:03:37.080 Right.

00:03:37.520 Yeah.

00:03:38.380 So I think, I feel like it has to do with that a lot more.

00:03:41.320 Like, do you think that if you're high on mushrooms, you might be more connected to God in that

00:03:44.820 case because you see a lot of patterns?

00:03:46.680 Possibly.

00:03:47.460 Yeah.

00:03:47.940 But you don't do mushrooms.

00:03:49.160 I have done mushrooms.

00:03:50.040 I don't do it anymore.

00:03:50.580 I don't, I don't feel the need to because once you understand like what it's helping

00:03:53.700 you see, there's no need to do it.

00:03:55.260 Yeah, that's true.

00:03:55.860 And where do mushrooms go from the earth?

00:03:57.620 So something from the earth that like, no one made that in a lab.

00:04:01.180 It's something that comes from the earth.

00:04:02.120 You think that's better?

00:04:02.620 But I asked you to do kava once and you said no, even though that's also.

00:04:05.600 I don't do drugs anymore, but I know, but a mushroom, mushroom is a drug too, right?

00:04:09.140 But it comes from earth or smoking weed is the same thing.

00:04:11.480 It's a plant.

00:04:11.940 So there are these things that can alter your brain that come from the earth.

00:04:15.260 Yeah.

00:04:15.400 So there, there must be some, those are okay.

00:04:16.880 It's like smoking weed is okay.

00:04:17.840 It's not about okay.

00:04:18.720 There you're pointing out things that must show that there's some sort of divine creation

00:04:22.680 out there.

00:04:23.560 Something, there's someone there that must have created this.

00:04:26.100 I don't know.

00:04:26.560 I don't know about that.

00:04:27.300 It can't just exist from nothing.

00:04:30.240 No, but I don't know if it's a person or like.

00:04:32.620 I didn't say a person.

00:04:33.360 No, it could be just like the universe itself should be a creation, right?

00:04:37.720 Right.

00:04:38.060 So something created it or the universe created itself.

00:04:41.340 Maybe.

00:04:42.180 And we don't know if it's a creator, if it's like, just like the universe that happened.

00:04:45.720 It doesn't have to be, you're, you're attributing the image of a creator and that maybe that's

00:04:50.160 holding you back, but something, something, in essence, whatever you want to believe in

00:04:53.760 it.

00:04:53.860 If it's love, if it's universe, there, there is something that created everything.

00:04:58.020 Maybe.

00:04:58.660 I mean, we don't know that, but let's say that it is.

00:05:02.000 Okay.

00:05:03.140 And then you have to look at the one religion that respects that there is one creator and

00:05:08.600 that acknowledges the only monotheistic religion.

00:05:11.440 And that's Islam. 0.70

00:05:12.460 Islam has stood the test of time.

00:05:14.140 The book is written 1400 years ago.

00:05:15.560 It hasn't been altered.

00:05:16.620 And then everything that came from Muhammad's peace be upon him that came from his mouth 0.97

00:05:20.120 when he was reciting the Quran, he didn't even really know how to read and write properly.

00:05:24.960 He was sent by the creator and he just started reciting his words.

00:05:28.300 He started telling exactly what Allah wanted him to say.

00:05:31.540 And then they were able to go and transcribe it.

00:05:33.660 And from that day, he was able to describe the patterns in the universe.

00:05:37.060 He was able to describe the waters.

00:05:39.020 And he, he even knew that there was an orbit.

00:05:40.800 He knew about the sun and the moon and what times of day that we should pray and how it

00:05:43.840 correlates to the rest of the plants.

00:05:45.000 There's a lot of signs in the Quran that show that it, it cannot just be from the mouth

00:05:51.200 of a, of a human.

00:05:52.900 It can't just be, it must've been the creator sending him a message.

00:05:55.740 How do you know that it's just one creator, not plenty?

00:05:58.580 How would you know that for sure?

00:05:59.860 Because even if there are plenty of creators or plenty of prophets, which there were, there

00:06:04.000 must've been, there's always has to come to one.

00:06:06.680 Something must've created everything.

00:06:08.100 We don't know that.

00:06:09.300 I feel like there's no proof of that, that there's one creator or there's multiple.

00:06:12.740 Nothing can exist without somebody creating it.

00:06:14.980 Without something.

00:06:15.520 Yeah, but who created that person?

00:06:16.840 Who created the God?

00:06:17.900 There has to, it has to end at one point.

00:06:19.880 It has to.

00:06:20.100 Yeah, but who created the God in that case?

00:06:22.300 That's where it ends.

00:06:23.040 Yeah, but you said that it can't end.

00:06:25.360 So what if there's like several gods, like it doesn't make sense.

00:06:29.100 If, even if there were several gods or several prophets, for example, it always has to go

00:06:33.040 back to one divine creator, something that is greater than us, greater than we can even

00:06:36.780 conceptualize, greater than we can even understand.

00:06:41.140 Yeah.

00:06:41.520 But if you're saying that, why one in that case?

00:06:43.860 Why couldn't it just be the same thing with like, let's say that it's five different creators

00:06:47.120 that created everything.

00:06:48.480 And you say someone must have created them, but in that case, I could say that someone

00:06:51.480 must have created that one God in that case too.

00:06:54.200 Why couldn't it just be five in that case instead of one?

00:06:56.680 Because it always has to go back to something that's more divine than the rest.

00:06:59.580 There's always something that's greater than other.

00:07:03.460 If there were five.

00:07:04.700 How do you know that it has to be that way?

00:07:06.660 What proof do you see in the real world?

00:07:09.100 Because there's always a hierarchy.

00:07:10.480 There always has to be some sort of supremacy.

00:07:14.320 That's how everything is made.

00:07:15.840 A chicken can't come without an egg being laid.

00:07:20.580 Yeah, but who laid the egg?

00:07:21.460 A chicken always comes.

00:07:23.420 So don't think about it like that.

00:07:25.080 There's a divine chicken and the universe is the egg.

00:07:29.740 One greater thing that we cannot understand, that it's not worth explaining, that it's not

00:07:33.900 worth trying to go and draw or really try to conceptualize or figure out, there must be

00:07:38.040 one.

00:07:38.460 And there's no point in us even trying to understand what this is, but there's something

00:07:42.380 divine that is responsible for our existence here.

00:07:44.740 Okay, so how do we even know in that case that this one creator has set a bunch of rules?

00:07:50.360 Like, what do those rules come from?

00:07:51.840 Like, how do we know that, like, from the things that we see around us, that these has

00:07:55.320 to be the cases of rules?

00:07:56.320 Like, how do we know that that is 100% true?

00:07:58.460 Because all the things that we're seeing, if we see a flower that looks like another one

00:08:01.460 or something like that, we see a bunch of patterns.

00:08:02.800 How does that end up into words of, like, this is what you're allowed to, and this is

00:08:06.480 what you're not allowed to do?

00:08:08.680 Because it's very specific, right?

00:08:09.600 What does it have to do with the flower?

00:08:11.200 Like, you're telling, it sounds like you're telling me, or maybe you're not, that all the

00:08:17.140 things that's in the Quran or the Bible or whatever, there's a bunch of, like, rules,

00:08:21.240 right?

00:08:21.520 How do we know that those rules are actually real?

00:08:23.680 Because you say, like, oh, we see everything around us, so we must think that there has

00:08:27.540 to be a bunch of, like, there has to be a God, there has to be things, because there's

00:08:30.740 patterns around us, we can read into those patterns, oh, how to live life in the best

00:08:34.640 way possible.

00:08:35.400 So how do we know that the things that's in the Quran is actually the correct way of living?

00:08:40.120 Because we are the one species that we don't just act, we can think before we act.

00:08:47.500 Other species, they're born, and then they know exactly what they have to do.

00:08:50.820 They don't contemplate the same way we do.

00:08:52.980 They don't hold a banana, or they don't hold a piece of fruit.

00:08:56.120 A flower doesn't look at itself and think, I don't want to be a flower.

00:08:59.600 I asked about the patterns, like, why do you think the rules in the Quran are the rules

00:09:02.920 that is the real ones?

00:09:03.160 Because the rules apply for us, for people, because we are...

00:09:05.940 Yeah, no, but isn't the same thing in the Bible?

00:09:08.120 It is, but the Bible has, that's true, there's, but the Bible has more inconsistencies and does

00:09:14.260 not believe in, they believe in the Trinity, they don't believe in one creator, they believe

00:09:17.020 that Jesus was also God.

00:09:18.960 So a man cannot be God. 0.71

00:09:21.660 There has to be one divine creator.

00:09:23.360 That's an inconsistency, a hypocrisy within the Bible that doesn't make sense.

00:09:27.960 In Islam, there's just one creator, and we worship him.

00:09:31.180 And even if you look at the Bible, Jesus, he prayed down, he put his head on the, put 0.75

00:09:34.940 his head to the floor when he worshiped Allah.

00:09:36.300 Wasn't he praying at God?

00:09:37.420 Was he praying to himself?

00:09:38.420 He was praying to God.

00:09:39.200 That's why the Bible didn't get everything right. 0.62

00:09:40.760 But he is a God as well.

00:09:41.500 Is it true God?

00:09:42.080 The Christians got it wrong. 1.00

00:09:43.500 They got it wrong.

00:09:44.180 They thought, they thought that Jesus was God.

00:09:46.280 He was one of the prophets, peace be upon him, that was sent by Allah, but Muhammad was 1.00

00:09:49.580 a, peace be upon him, was a final prophet.

00:09:51.740 So the Christians were, they have been misguided. 1.00

00:09:54.240 They think that, if you look in the Bible, Jesus would pray exactly the way Muslims do. 1.00

00:09:59.020 Jesus believes in the Father.

00:10:00.200 Jesus believed in God.

00:10:01.260 Jesus, in essence, was a Muslim.

00:10:03.420 He was ethnically a Jew, but the way he prayed in the worship and the way he believed,

00:10:06.780 he was Muslim.

00:10:08.180 I see.

00:10:09.160 They don't say that in the Bible, but everything that he practiced, like you could definitely

00:10:12.740 argue that Jesus was a Muslim.

00:10:14.760 Not ethnically, but theologically, yeah.

00:10:17.400 Mm-hmm.

00:10:18.860 So why not Buddhism or Hinduism?

00:10:22.220 Why?

00:10:22.600 Because they believe in multiple, they believe in like different gods and energy.

00:10:27.040 I think that's Hinduism that believes in multiple gods.

00:10:28.880 Yeah, they believe in all these different weird idols.

00:10:31.200 But I feel like Buddhism kind of just like believes that the universe is God itself.

00:10:35.240 That doesn't make any sense.

00:10:36.260 Why?

00:10:36.480 How can the universe, the universe can't have created itself.

00:10:39.340 That doesn't make sense.

00:10:40.340 Why not?

00:10:41.260 How could something create itself?

00:10:42.720 Why would you need like an individual to do it?

00:10:44.740 Why couldn't it just create itself?

00:10:46.340 Because I feel like that makes a lot more sense that the universe could just create itself.

00:10:48.180 Explain something that's created itself.

00:10:50.420 I can't explain that.

00:10:51.420 So why even argue that?

00:10:53.080 But from the start, something was going to happen.

00:10:54.620 That's what I'm saying.

00:10:55.260 This is why Islam is the only religion that makes sense. 1.00

00:10:56.600 But I can't like figure out that there's like an individual or like one thing that like

00:11:00.300 created the entire thing.

00:11:01.260 I feel like that makes a lot less sense than just like it created itself.

00:11:04.840 Because we are.

00:11:05.540 To me personally.

00:11:06.160 Because we exist in the universe.

00:11:07.600 We are part of the universe.

00:11:08.760 We are not greater than the universe.

00:11:10.340 So we cannot have created it.

00:11:11.680 Something always.

00:11:12.380 The creator has to be something that's greater than its creation.

00:11:15.400 So for anything to have existed, there has to have been one divine creator.

00:11:19.580 Something that we can't conceptualize.

00:11:21.460 That created everything.

00:11:22.600 I feel like it makes more sense that everything is created itself.

00:11:24.800 I feel like it makes sense.

00:11:26.180 But explain something that's created itself.

00:11:28.900 How does that make more sense?

00:11:29.640 I can't explain it.

00:11:30.200 So how does it make more sense if you can't explain it?

00:11:31.700 But from time, with time and space, things has happened.

00:11:34.140 And I feel like it just has developed by itself.

00:11:37.120 From like being...

00:11:37.560 Name one.

00:11:38.020 Okay.

00:11:38.200 But you're saying that makes more sense.

00:11:39.060 But also like...

00:11:39.900 But also from the...

00:11:40.740 We don't even know where the start is.

00:11:42.180 Like it probably is no starts.

00:11:43.480 Everything is just happening.

00:11:44.620 Like everything is just happening randomly.

00:11:46.940 What does it have a start?

00:11:47.980 Explain something that doesn't have a start.

00:11:48.680 The universe.

00:11:50.040 But you can't explain that because you haven't seen it.

00:11:51.640 No, I have absolutely no idea.

00:11:52.880 Yeah, but you can't explain that there's an individual person that's started everything, right?

00:11:56.360 But that's the only logical explanation because...

00:11:58.920 Explain something that you have seen and what you know of the universe and everything.

00:12:02.380 It does not have a beginning and an end.

00:12:04.900 Something that you have seen.

00:12:05.820 Something that you can conceptualize that doesn't have a beginning and an end.

00:12:08.260 Everything you know has started, has been created.

00:12:10.560 Everything.

00:12:11.360 There's nothing that just exists.

00:12:12.760 Well, not really.

00:12:14.600 Not really.

00:12:15.700 What?

00:12:16.140 Because it's not like a flower comes from absolutely nothing.

00:12:18.680 There's like a bunch of different particles that comes together, right?

00:12:20.980 Like everyone a star does.

00:12:23.540 Like it's like the earth wasn't just like created just like that.

00:12:27.900 Like it's a lot of different things that happen in time and space.

00:12:31.220 Right, the seed creates a flower, but something has to create the seed.

00:12:33.560 And then you can go back and say the fertilizing or the dirt, but it always goes back to something.

00:12:37.700 Something is not created without something.

00:12:39.520 Something you can't just create.

00:12:40.900 Yeah, but it's not.

00:12:41.420 Something can't create itself.

00:12:42.300 But the atoms itself is already there, right?

00:12:45.200 No, it's not.

00:12:46.020 Of course it is.

00:12:46.520 It always has to go back.

00:12:47.520 If you trail back anything, it has to come from some creation.

00:12:49.500 That's like a thing itself, but like, how do I explain this?

00:12:52.820 Like if you poop, it becomes dirt.

00:12:54.840 And then in that dirt, it grows flowers.

00:12:56.560 But you created the poop.

00:12:57.220 And they're just doing that.

00:12:58.260 Yeah, I know.

00:12:59.000 And it does that forever.

00:13:00.000 My point is.

00:13:00.360 But why does it have to, but why does it have to.

00:13:01.960 My point is, you didn't answer my question.

00:13:03.680 I'm asking you to explain something that you have seen that does not have a beginning.

00:13:07.260 Everything that you are aware of.

00:13:08.340 But it doesn't really have a beginning.

00:13:09.260 It just goes, it just goes on forever, right?

00:13:12.640 To eternity.

00:13:13.220 Can you name something, something that you know in existence that does not have a beginning?

00:13:17.680 That doesn't have a beginning.

00:13:18.700 Yes.

00:13:19.160 I don't think that anything really has an end or a beginning.

00:13:23.740 Like we can look at like a flower that dies, whatever, but it's a lot more complicated

00:13:26.780 than that because it's all the atoms and everything, right?

00:13:28.520 But before it was a flower, it wasn't a flower.

00:13:29.820 It was something.

00:13:30.400 Yeah, but it's not like.

00:13:31.180 There you go.

00:13:31.700 For it to become a flower.

00:13:32.180 But where is the start?

00:13:33.100 There's no start or an end.

00:13:34.300 It just keeps going on forever.

00:13:35.660 But before it was a flower, it's something else.

00:13:37.360 So the creation of a flower started, there was an inception of a flower.

00:13:41.340 You mean that the energy that started to grow the flower is God?

00:13:45.700 Is that what you mean?

00:13:46.300 Because the flower was something else before it became a flower, clearly, because that's

00:13:50.640 like how physics work.

00:13:52.480 Do you see how you're not answering like what I'm saying?

00:13:56.000 I don't understand what you're saying.

00:13:57.800 I'm asking you to explain something that you know of that did not have a beginning.

00:14:01.820 The flower, and I understand that it comes from something else.

00:14:04.660 Yeah.

00:14:04.800 But it has a beginning that you are aware of.

00:14:07.840 It came from something.

00:14:08.500 You mean when it's like when it is existing as a flower?

00:14:10.860 Yes.

00:14:11.040 It has a start and an end.

00:14:12.480 Yeah, sure.

00:14:12.940 Everything that exists has a start.

00:14:15.600 Yes.

00:14:15.900 Everything that you are aware of.

00:14:17.280 Everything.

00:14:17.860 But I don't think you could think about it that way.

00:14:20.460 Right?

00:14:20.820 I don't think that really works.

00:14:21.880 What are the ways that I think about it?

00:14:23.300 Like you can think about life as a start and an ending and stuff like that.

00:14:26.320 Right?

00:14:26.560 But you can't really like like rocks.

00:14:32.440 Where does that come from?

00:14:33.840 It comes from sand.

00:14:34.980 Yeah.

00:14:35.380 Or yeah.

00:14:35.940 And then it becomes rocks if it puts together in a long time.

00:14:38.940 And then it becomes sand again.

00:14:40.120 And then it does that over and over and over again.

00:14:41.540 Right?

00:14:42.140 Okay.

00:14:42.400 But it had to have come from sand first.

00:14:44.160 So everything has a beginning.

00:14:45.280 Or I mean.

00:14:45.680 Everything that you were going to explain.

00:14:46.940 But it's a rock from the beginning too.

00:14:48.280 Right?

00:14:48.440 It gets like crushed.

00:14:49.540 And then like by time it becomes together again.

00:14:52.200 But eventually it started from a piece of sand.

00:14:53.820 So my point is everything that you can think of and conceptualize.

00:14:56.320 I'm sure it comes from a rocket from the space.

00:14:59.440 Like billions of years.

00:15:00.700 Regardless of what you're saying.

00:15:02.160 Everything has a beginning.

00:15:03.600 You see what you're saying?

00:15:04.840 Yes.

00:15:05.300 Everything comes.

00:15:06.420 But something happens before that too.

00:15:08.480 There's things that come.

00:15:09.300 There's a lot of things that happen before that.

00:15:10.260 Do you know what happened before that?

00:15:11.860 If you go all the way back.

00:15:13.720 It must have been a divine creator.

00:15:15.520 That's the only explanation for the universe.

00:15:17.580 You can't just go back and then.

00:15:18.940 Or it could just go on forever.

00:15:21.140 And everything just kind of like happened.

00:15:23.200 We don't know if it has a certain beginning.

00:15:24.440 If it does go on.

00:15:24.880 If the universe does go on forever.

00:15:26.560 It must have had a start.

00:15:28.780 No.

00:15:29.260 Nothing could go on forever without a beginning.

00:15:30.900 Well it.

00:15:31.820 But not really.

00:15:32.280 And you explained that just now.

00:15:33.360 By not bringing up anything that does not have a beginning.

00:15:35.620 No.

00:15:36.240 But like life could.

00:15:37.680 Sure.

00:15:38.000 Like something like existing or living.

00:15:39.740 Or like becoming like a thing that we can physically see.

00:15:41.960 We can like think about a flower as an individual thing.

00:15:45.000 But before that flower was a flower.

00:15:46.460 It was something else.

00:15:47.340 You're going in circles now.

00:15:48.680 No.

00:15:49.140 This is legit what it is.

00:15:50.320 Right.

00:15:50.560 Like the part.

00:15:52.040 Like the autumns was something else before that.

00:15:55.040 Yeah.

00:15:55.440 We agree.

00:15:56.000 So there was no start and ending.

00:15:57.560 It was just the same thing.

00:15:58.500 But like it got created to like a thing for a little bit.

00:16:02.180 And then it died.

00:16:03.080 And then it like became something else later on.

00:16:05.080 But that goes on forever.

00:16:06.900 Of course.

00:16:08.000 Yeah.

00:16:08.580 But it has nothing.

00:16:09.240 Well then if you go back like I've explained.

00:16:11.340 But in that case there must.

00:16:12.120 If you think about it as a God.

00:16:13.520 There has to be something from the beginning as well.

00:16:16.080 What was God before it became a God?

00:16:17.920 It has to be that case.

00:16:18.860 Because that's what everything is.

00:16:19.920 But that doesn't make any sense.

00:16:20.340 The only logical explanation is there must be something divine.

00:16:23.460 That is greater than all of the creations that we are able to conceptualize.

00:16:27.260 Because it comes from.

00:16:28.320 Because right.

00:16:29.020 Because.

00:16:29.620 You're not understanding.

00:16:30.760 If you're thinking about God as a flower.

00:16:32.680 You're in the argument mode.

00:16:34.380 It's not.

00:16:34.880 No.

00:16:35.020 I'm trying to.

00:16:35.840 You're telling me that the flower has a beginning and an end.

00:16:39.820 So God has to have the same thing.

00:16:42.640 But the flower is like.

00:16:43.460 Yeah.

00:16:43.720 Like being a flower has a beginning and an end.

00:16:46.160 But before that it was something else.

00:16:48.020 Yes.

00:16:48.340 You said this five times now.

00:16:49.480 You said this five times now.

00:16:50.280 Yeah.

00:16:50.580 If you think about the flower as a God.

00:16:53.180 Right.

00:16:53.800 What?

00:16:53.980 Because if you think about the flower as a God.

00:16:56.840 It must have a before in that case.

00:16:58.520 That's not what anybody said.

00:16:59.340 But you said that everything goes like this.

00:17:01.340 It must be one creation.

00:17:02.700 And then it all spread out to like a bunch of existence.

00:17:05.300 Right.

00:17:05.840 That's like how you're explaining it.

00:17:07.580 Right.

00:17:08.160 You're explaining that everything comes from a beginning and an end.

00:17:11.000 But you haven't given me an argument for why that is.

00:17:14.260 Because I explained a long time ago.

00:17:17.060 But you don't seem to understand.

00:17:18.700 There's nothing that humans are able to conceptualize.

00:17:21.840 That does not have a beginning.

00:17:24.020 There's no example of anything you could bring up.

00:17:26.040 That does not start somewhere.

00:17:27.640 So if you think that the universe created itself.

00:17:29.680 That doesn't make any sense.

00:17:30.740 We have never seen anything that didn't come from a start.

00:17:33.600 Everything has a start.

00:17:35.040 The only explanation for how everything was created.

00:17:38.100 Because as part of Allah's creation.

00:17:41.600 The only explanation is that something must be divine.

00:17:44.160 That we are not able to understand.

00:17:46.460 Because it's better.

00:17:47.560 And because it's greater than us.

00:17:48.880 That created everything that exists.

00:17:51.280 Something cannot create itself.

00:17:53.260 That has never existed in existence.

00:17:55.280 And there's no point in arguing that.

00:17:56.520 Well we don't know that.

00:17:57.820 100%.

00:17:58.040 If you have never seen that.

00:18:00.260 If you have never understood that to be the case.

00:18:03.520 Then why argue for that?

00:18:05.320 What am I?

00:18:06.260 I'm not arguing for God.

00:18:07.740 I'm not arguing.

00:18:08.640 You're arguing against God.

00:18:10.400 Yeah.

00:18:10.620 I don't think there's like an individual that has created everything.

00:18:13.820 And that's all that goes back to.

00:18:15.340 I think we don't know.

00:18:16.720 That's what I think.

00:18:17.780 Because it doesn't.

00:18:19.480 I don't think there's an individual or a star.

00:18:21.600 I don't.

00:18:22.080 I feel like it's probably just infinity.

00:18:26.020 How could.

00:18:26.840 Okay.

00:18:27.320 I feel like everything is just infinity.

00:18:28.940 But you need to stop going based off of what you feel.

00:18:31.720 And think about what makes sense.

00:18:33.400 If you are.

00:18:33.780 I mean infinity is probably a real thing.

00:18:35.460 Don't you think?

00:18:36.500 But it's not just about how I.

00:18:37.980 I can't just feel like it's infinity.

00:18:39.820 No.

00:18:40.360 But I can explain.

00:18:41.420 I'm giving you the logical explanation for this.

00:18:42.440 I feel like I can explain what infinity is.

00:18:44.620 Because something goes on forever.

00:18:45.960 Yeah.

00:18:46.500 Okay.

00:18:46.740 And from before too.

00:18:48.580 But you don't believe in infinity in that case.

00:18:49.860 No.

00:18:51.000 No.

00:18:51.360 Something.

00:18:51.700 Because infinity doesn't work without a star.

00:18:53.140 It's a.

00:18:53.780 Nothing.

00:18:54.280 Nothing that you.

00:18:54.960 Okay.

00:18:54.980 In that case I'm curious.

00:18:55.900 If you cut your.

00:18:57.020 Not that one.

00:18:58.020 If you cut this in half.

00:18:59.880 Let's say we took this part here.

00:19:01.180 We cut it in half.

00:19:02.200 How many times do you think you could do it until there's an end?

00:19:07.120 An end to what?

00:19:08.820 It will get smaller and smaller.

00:19:10.460 Yeah.

00:19:10.980 How long?

00:19:11.660 Until it stops.

00:19:12.980 Well it would be smaller than my knife.

00:19:14.500 So I wouldn't be able to cut it anymore.

00:19:15.820 No I know.

00:19:16.180 But let's say that you could.

00:19:17.600 How many times could you do that?

00:19:19.140 You think.

00:19:19.820 Physically.

00:19:20.220 Like how many times can you do it?

00:19:21.920 You could do it until infinity.

00:19:23.860 No.

00:19:24.220 There's no knife that would be that size.

00:19:25.640 No no no.

00:19:26.000 Let's say that there's no knife.

00:19:26.920 Let's say that there's a magic knife that can cut it all the way.

00:19:30.380 How.

00:19:30.860 How long can you do it?

00:19:31.900 Or let's say that you take this and you double it up.

00:19:33.900 And you do knots.

00:19:34.920 What's the point of this argument?

00:19:37.280 Infinity is a real thing.

00:19:39.860 That's what I'm trying to argue for you.

00:19:41.520 So we don't know if there's.

00:19:42.780 But you see where the start comes from?

00:19:45.080 It always starts somewhere.

00:19:47.660 Everything has a start.

00:19:48.980 Well you could always like double it up as well.

00:19:51.260 Right?

00:19:51.840 You could always like make it.

00:19:52.940 That doesn't refute my argument.

00:19:53.840 That doesn't refute my point.

00:19:55.200 Everything that you can conceptualize has a beginning.

00:19:57.820 And you haven't been able to debunk that.

00:19:59.780 I mean you could do it forever.

00:20:01.160 That's the thing.

00:20:01.760 Like everything is.

00:20:03.160 You can cut everything to infinity.

00:20:04.680 But you could also like plus everything to infinity.

00:20:06.400 Right?

00:20:07.040 Like it's the same thing with numbers.

00:20:08.100 If you think about numbers.

00:20:09.220 It could go on forever.

00:20:11.200 Right?

00:20:12.300 Just like anything.

00:20:13.280 So life could be the same thing.

00:20:14.560 Like or not life.

00:20:15.440 But like existence.

00:20:16.040 Where do you start counting from?

00:20:18.840 Well.

00:20:20.760 Present.

00:20:22.120 Buddhism. 0.82

00:20:23.120 Being right here right now.

00:20:24.160 But that's.

00:20:24.880 That has nothing.

00:20:25.720 That's not numbers.

00:20:26.600 Numbers isn't Buddhism.

00:20:27.440 Where do you start counting?

00:20:28.680 I have no idea.

00:20:29.360 You can start counting from anywhere.

00:20:30.660 Right?

00:20:31.080 But like.

00:20:31.500 But it's.

00:20:31.860 It's literally infinity.

00:20:33.260 Where does numerology start?

00:20:35.940 What's that mean?

00:20:36.480 Sorry.

00:20:37.200 When you start counting.

00:20:38.340 What number do you start counting from?

00:20:40.020 Usually one.

00:20:41.300 But you could also.

00:20:42.020 But you could also.

00:20:42.780 Yeah.

00:20:43.060 Zero.

00:20:43.380 But you could also go down.

00:20:44.500 Right?

00:20:44.720 And you could also go up.

00:20:45.640 My point is.

00:20:46.540 Is that.

00:20:47.860 It doesn't seem like.

00:20:49.460 It's just like a flower.

00:20:50.660 Everything has a start.

00:20:51.560 It's just not like a flower.

00:20:52.460 Everything has a beginning.

00:20:53.320 Even numbers.

00:20:54.580 But not really.

00:20:55.200 Because you can go down.

00:20:56.440 Yeah.

00:20:56.540 But like.

00:20:57.720 You could still go both ways.

00:20:59.740 Is my point.

00:21:00.820 So.

00:21:00.920 Sure.

00:21:01.340 But you're equating time.

00:21:02.480 Yeah.

00:21:02.680 You could start counting with a flower.

00:21:04.580 But you could also think about what happened before it was a flower.

00:21:07.160 And what happens after it's a flower.

00:21:08.620 Right?

00:21:09.100 But just because there's a start.

00:21:10.840 Or whatever.

00:21:11.160 Doesn't mean.

00:21:11.620 That there hasn't been like.

00:21:13.480 Well.

00:21:14.020 It kind of is the existence.

00:21:15.420 Right?

00:21:16.100 Like.

00:21:16.440 A long time ago.

00:21:17.640 There has to be a God that created everything.

00:21:19.500 Right?

00:21:19.660 So.

00:21:19.940 We kind of are.

00:21:20.860 We kind of think.

00:21:21.660 We have to think about time.

00:21:22.600 I don't think you need to think of it in terms of time.

00:21:24.080 Or in terms of when.

00:21:25.520 But something must have created.

00:21:28.080 That's all.

00:21:28.640 That's.

00:21:28.880 You need to.

00:21:29.820 Like.

00:21:30.040 You've seen those space movies.

00:21:31.680 That where time isn't real.

00:21:33.180 Or whatever.

00:21:33.720 And it's cyclical.

00:21:34.420 Or whatever.

00:21:35.060 Don't think in terms of time.

00:21:37.380 There's.

00:21:37.720 It's irrefutable.

00:21:38.740 That everything we are aware of.

00:21:41.600 Has a start.

00:21:42.760 True or false?

00:21:44.360 I don't.

00:21:45.360 I think I know of that.

00:21:47.100 I don't think I believe that actually.

00:21:49.840 I mean.

00:21:50.440 You could start it from a certain spot.

00:21:52.280 But there has been stuff that's happened beforehand.

00:21:54.460 Just like the flower.

00:21:55.980 Like.

00:21:56.280 Before the flower was a flower.

00:21:57.280 It was something else.

00:21:59.140 So there's not.

00:21:59.740 Like.

00:22:00.020 We don't know if there's a start.

00:22:01.560 Or an end.

00:22:01.860 That's kind of the whole thing.

00:22:02.860 Yeah.

00:22:03.460 I try.

00:22:03.880 I try.

00:22:04.920 You can try.

00:22:05.480 I mean.

00:22:05.780 You're.

00:22:06.300 Here's a.

00:22:06.640 You can.

00:22:07.000 You can try a lot.

00:22:08.060 You're perfectly fine for it.

00:22:11.100 I'm sorry.

00:22:11.960 Okay.

00:22:18.060 That's it.

00:22:18.600 Is this your job?

00:22:19.200 Is this your job?

SNEAKO - May 22, 2023

SNEAKO Tries To Convert Melina To Islam

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