SNEAKO - January 14, 2023SNEAKO Watches Satanist DEBATE Traditional Men
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In this episode, we talk about masculinity, modernist and traditionalist debate, and what it means to be a man in the 21st century. We also discuss wokeness and satanism and the new religion of satanism.
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what a terrible documentary i was excited to watch this i mean watch lob and leech video no bro
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they're the fucking snakes bro they're legitimately fucking snakes and i'm not gonna i would never i'm
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not gonna watch another video or talk to them until they fucking apologize until preach apologizes
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for believing that a pizza box is the reason that they went to prison you fucking idiot how old are
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you you don't know that you scan your passport as soon as you enter an airport are you that dumb
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a pizza box you need to make an apology video for saying that stupid shit moist critical apologize
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for the pizza box all you idiots apologize for the pizza box you're dumb and your fans deserve better
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dummies that was an hour long chat all right let's get into it now let's watch another thing from vice
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listen to moist critical's new song bro i don't give a fuck about that dude um just these snakes
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don't deserve uh bro whatever okay um be a man modernist and traditionalist debate masculinity
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from lice check your hair for some lice chat i'm so tired of like paying 150 for a first date
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and then you just ghost me i'm in the next week i'm like hurting for cash i'm like i could have
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really used that 150 like yo this broke his bro your pockets are in it trying to get some pussy
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that's crazy why did i have to also the trade-off of like going on a date and as the man being like
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oh this sucks i have to pay or as why are you in this debate why are you here the woman being like
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oh this sucks i might get murdered is like a pretty big imbalance
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my name's krishna thank you all for being here and talking through masculinity what it means to
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be a man etc why is bro like how dumb is it they invite these people you're just gonna
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obviously we couldn't fit every man in the country into this room uh we tried to get a diverse
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perspective but of course that caveat we're not everyone i wanted to start by telling you why this
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is something that i'm interested in i have an eight-year-old son and i'm seeing him absorb what
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manliness might mean like i'm thinking to myself like what does it mean to be a man to start maybe
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we could just introduce each other to each other and if you were to describe what it means to be a man
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or to be masculine oh my name is tahoe i'm a black man from the hood when i was young being a man you
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had to be tough you had to be hard and now to me being a man is a lot different now to me being a
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man is is the man behind you knowing when to be soft knowing that you don't always have to run the
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charge you can actually listen you know what i mean wait is this do you see so things have changed
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a lot over the course of the year wait wait do you see this fucking you see how wokeness is literally
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satanism becoming what you're the antichrist when i tweet wokeness is the new religion i don't mean
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that the fucking walking around need to be literal antichrist what the fuck why is the correlation so
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strong with lgbt they them woke gay pride nonsense and literally promoting sacrilegious the charge you
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can actually listen you know what i mean so things have changed a lot over the course of the years for
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me i'm griffin and i don't identify as a man abdul get the rocks joseph peter get the rocks get the
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get the get the sticks that they call fag in england because because okay no don't clip that
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don't don't clip that don't clip that don't clip that i'm just mad at the antichrist thing um i'm
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non-binary i still have elements of you know my identity that are masculine elements that are
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feminine elements that don't fall within that range and i i personally just don't feel tied to like the
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the norms of the confines of gender at all so why are you here why are you here
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you're welcome uh my name is dylan now back in the day for real for real for real for real people
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get burned at the stake for wearing the cross upside down for saying anti-jesus i think that
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the notion of masculinity is just something that can be possessed by man or woman man woman non-gender
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conforming person what it means to be masculine is just like you know changing and like very fluid
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um but i think that you know masculinity is something that just you know like you embody
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based off of just like how you show up in this world as a man and just and just like you know
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how you go about being your day-to-day how you show up interesting yes what's up guys my name is paul
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i'm a fitness entrepreneur uh i'm an immigrant i came here when i was four years old with my family
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it's kind of funny how we're talking about it my take on masculinity is is not about talking as much
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as doing i think at its at its core a man has to be efficient competent and be willing to do what
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it takes for for themselves and their and their loved ones i was not always a good man i was not
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always what you would call a healthy masculine man and so as my life has changed i've identified five
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points that i think make a truly masculine man masculine okay i think point number one is a man who
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walks with god point number w yo what the antichrist gonna say two is a man who stands on principle
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point number three which is a masculine man is self-sacrificing so someone who is willing to
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sacrifice for point four the people that he leads a true man is a leader and number five a masculine
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man is never a coward that's a lot there yeah um and let's get into that as we go on i think what
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it means to be a man is responsibility as a man it can come with a lot of power and with great power
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comes great responsibility spider-man in short words nice that's it that's from spider-man i think
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yeah uncle ben um james well uh my name is james killen uh former united states marine turned air
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force officer uh got a couple combat tours um but i'm also a father of three girls um who mellowed me
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out the idea imagine getting your wife pregnant three times hoping for a boy and you get three
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girl that's that's crazy like you know of of masculinity is something that i find interesting
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because it is changing uh and i can actually see those changes in myself uh and i think that's one
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of the reasons why uh why i wanted to do this panel thanks for your service andre hey what's up
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yeah those weak ass dreads yeah men men look at those little dreads yeah bro those just look like
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cheetos on his head bro you know spooker valley pointed that out do you see look at these weak
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guys right man uh i think uh my idea of a real man is uh you know someone that gets the job done
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you know and um provides and all that i don't even know what that means anymore but um
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brokey yeah i don't know it's changing every day how do you think it's changing no it just seems like
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the gender fluids are invaded everything is changing every day it's like a new world order
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you know so i don't uh i have a hard time keeping up with stuff so i feel like tomorrow it's gonna
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be something else and people are gonna comment be like you're wrong just it's this now it's hard to
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talk about some of this stuff because you feel like you might say the wrong thing i'm not really
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masculine myself so okay i feel like i'm like the wrong person to ask you know maybe the right person
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is christian what it means to be a man is to be whoa that looks like ai a adult human male that's
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sort of a very formal definition but i think that might be a what the fuck does that good place to
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kick off because there's a lot of talk of writing of research these days that says there's a crisis
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in masculinity is there a crisis in masculinity if so like what is that crisis the thing that i see
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is is a lot of deconstructing generational trauma the be a man boys don't cry you know this that and
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the other thing um and i i think that's actually one of the reasons why we see it as um as a crisis
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because we're actually trying to redefine uh what it what it means to be a man and none of us have any
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idea um because we're just out here so stop trying to redefine it bro the old definition was working
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forever trying to be whoever we are that's right i think that historically being a man was rooted in
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patriarchy and misogyny w patriarchy and now we realize this guy sold out how harmful that has been
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over the years this guy got brainwashed um and so we don't really know how to define where we're
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supposed to be and i think the reason as they're saying is a crisis is because the box has gotten so
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small for just being say straight just being a hetero right because if you do anything women
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judge you what do you mean anything if i dance a certain way or if i wear my hair a certain way if
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i dress a certain way they go real men don't do that real men don't do that and so you get scared
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to move a certain way because you don't want to get judged or outed out of the accepted part of your
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community um and i think that that kind of has us in an uproar and we don't know where to be like
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where's the safe place to be for men now you know what i mean it doesn't exist and it's kind of
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disturbing you know i was what you would call a toxic masculine male girl w toxic masculinity going
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up and uh i had good men that sewed into me you know bro they need to get me on one of these panels
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bro i would dominate they gave me good advice but i never found manhood and i never understood my
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place as a man until one day i humbled myself and i gave my life to the lord jesus christ and i'm
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telling you right now walking with god changed my life forever can you define can you define
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toxic mass can you define jesus i would say toxic masculinity is like what he was just saying where
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you're using that that that leadership role or that aggressive nature in a harmful way to harm other
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people to get your way so the biblical structure for manhood is very humble it's self-sacrifice it's
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not self-motivated but it is motivated by principle and standing on what's right so there is a clear-cut
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vision for manhood in the bible that i live by and i think our culture used to live by and i think
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our culture has lost its way i think everybody sort of has a different definition of toxic masculinity
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i don't find masculinity toxic in and of itself but i do believe why are you wearing lizard contact
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contact lenses even bad men and bad men exist um but does that mean every man is toxically masculine
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now period you're talking about a crisis on masculinity i think that there's a lack of
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understanding there so it's yo what the fuck is preach doing in this video bro apologize for the
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pizza box preach like masculinity being masculine isn't toxic it's just like their poor preach what
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there's portions of it that you can dive into that make it toxic because i think a lot of what we think
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of masculinity is tied into patriarchy right which is to say like for the longest period of human
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history like men dominated women and got the lion's share of stuff i think a lot of times some people
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make masculinity into a caricature like it has to be this alpha bro tough guy exactly and i find the
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how much trust this guy right here low-key guy who you know is a really great father and a great
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husband and maybe not like drinking raw eggs every day to be a lot more masculine than the alpha bro
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who's going and like banging 20 women per weekend and not a responsible man i find it more masculine to
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be a good guy i think the background of this is that we are saying that gender is this like real thing that
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has real ideas and implications and griffin remember who here watched the feminism debate do you see
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the actual start even with the bumbleclots in here you see the stark difference in the conversation
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people actually like making points and the girl one they just argued about being minorities for the first
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30 minutes i'm wondering as you someone who identifies as non-binary how does this conversation strike you
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well i just get out of the room yo i think that it kind of becomes like irrelevant whether or not we
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attribute like having like a good ethical compass to being like masculine oh shut up a redacted bine
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says 10 these bots don't understand how necessary masculinity is that this keeps up there'll be no gas
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to heat their homes and no truckers to bring their food exactly everybody's gonna end up looking like
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the antichrist over here attributing that to like the gender constructs which we have made up which are
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like somewhat pointless like kind of it's not pointless and we haven't made it up your whole identity is
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based around rejecting it just feed into needless roles that uphold the patriarchy without even
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knowing it a lot of those things but why why do they all why are is everyone in this panel assuming
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that the patriarchy is bad can we get w patriarchy in the chat they're just things that people should
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be doing because they're like morally right like if you're in a family you should probably support your
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family and i really don't think that it has to do with like your manhood these characteristics that
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we're talking about are baked into an old system of domestic life i think that's actually where we
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get toxic masculinity like none of us can really describe what it is but we can see it when it
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happens so we learn it right we yeah this is something we learned from the world it's something
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we learned from like tv they don't even know what it is but they all believe in it that's brainwashing
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preach why do you look like that bro the little ass cheetos in your head and shit and it's maybe something
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we learned from our dads too tell me about your dad i'm um a first generation kid my dad is from
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guyana um grew up in very humble beginnings poor family first time i remember my dad telling me he
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loved me you know shipping back me was when i was 17 and he was like saying like he was proud of me
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um because i was about to graduate high school and things like that you know i'm appreciative of all
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the other things you know being present as a provider but in turn yo why why you look like why you
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look like uh fucking bubble bass from spongebob you know the guy who hit the pickles under his tongue
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bro no no no no no no no no no no no bro chat no no no no no
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yo is that low from playback yo bro yo no no no no no usually like it's a little bit of a reach
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but this one is that is spot on spot on man conversation piece and like oh i'm i want to
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talk to my dad about you know sex or something or i want to talk to my dad about oh this um this
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person broke up with me and i'm feeling pretty sad yo w bubble bass in the chat about it i didn't have
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those conversations so it's like emotional language as part of like how you talk to your dad
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yeah my definition of manhood came solely from my relationship with god it didn't come from
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my father it didn't come from the good influences around me is god a man yeah and god is a man
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yeah we're made in god's image bro why the fuck is this father's zesty ass interview asking these
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questions yes and god is a father and he's a good father he's a perfect father and so i think there
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is a clear definition of manhood where i guess that's where i diverge from everyone else in the
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room i believe manhood is clearly defined by god it is the perfect example of what a man should be
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christian i see you nodding your head i grew up in a divorced home
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um when you do grow up in a broken home and you don't have a father in the home you recognize how
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important sort of both males and females are in raising a child and being in the home
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there's a balance between you know masculine energy and feminine energy
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absolutely and i feel like there's um there's both within everybody okay and so there's a balance that
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um with masculine energy in itself that i think a lot of people have trouble trying to
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trying to like reconcile within themselves like yes being a man you work hard you take care of your
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people but you got to be able to have that emotional side too which is where the feminine energy
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comes in y'all y'all just like triggered something in my head when y'all speaking about having both
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and i'm to me i didn't really have it there and it made me it made me feel a way but i think that i
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always wanted one and so i wound up at a certain age going outside and trying to find what masculinity
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was outside and so i went on the corner and there were 20 of us on the corner and none of us had dads
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we were all messed up and so we all taught each other the wrong way to love to be loved and then
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i think in society there's way more people like that and a lot of kids who don't have fathers in
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the home excuse me um look for that father in the world or in a different way yeah yeah um well
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first yo is that machine gun kelly i think that like attributing like proper family values to like
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a heterosexual couple with children is like just not effective like i think that it's obviously like
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a heteronormative take to be like man and woman and then a child and that's how you create like a
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w heteronormative a good family and whether it's like a single mother single father or like a
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queer couple like i don't think that it's necessary to like attribute men and women to like certain
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roles in the household i think that it's only due to nurture those gender norms that we follow
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male and female matters god gives you one of those identities you take on that role let's go cowboy
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and now you're responsible for not or for fulfilling that role yeah i ain't gonna lie bro the white
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shout out w white people because you you guys are carrying this conversation right now i i'm a little
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bit disappointed in my people there's a masculine crisis because men are not taking responsibilities
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for the god-given roles that they have in society and so when you take away the the need to say god
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made you this or god made you this now you don't have to take responsibility for not fulfilling what
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you were called to do when you do that you also take away other things that somebody else may do
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if i have a woman or a partner that wants to take on certain roles and i say hey those are my roles
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that god gave me in society now i'm suppressing that person like at the end of the day we're all human
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beings yeah great point right i hate when people say something like this as if they made a great
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point listen to what do you say in society now i'm suppressing that person like at the end of the
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day we're all human beings oh shit really in society at the end of the day we're all human beings
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yeah you define who you are and how you behave under god yo chat is this xqc in the back i ain't gonna lie
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love it women drive better than men no no i play video games all day
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that's i can't believe you would be on this panel
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yo good for you y'all that's what god gave us free will but also like i think that the religious
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beliefs should not be used to like dictate how other people identify how the people live their
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lives humans need predictability and when we put each other in these boxes it gives us the opportunity
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to make decisions quickly and i think that's what we're fighting is as a civilization at the moment
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is the desire to put seven and a half billion people in specific boxes so that we can have
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some sort of predictability or or uh stability in in our lives i was an emotionally abusive
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young man in in my 20s because i had an idea of what my wife should do and it caused a lot
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why are you standing like that you look like you listen to npr of of stress why were you the way you
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were is this therapy bro i don't like this this has got like a fruity undertone right you know i had a
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lot of anger but why they stop talking about your feelings uh i had a lot of uh so someone fight
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each other pent up rage uh i had you know some combat stress that i had to deal with also uh that
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i wasn't dealing with because men don't show emotion there is a social construct that benefits men
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and so the responsibility that i've learned as i've gotten older is learning how to not enforce
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my power learning over women over people you're saying that that role gives men more privilege
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like an advantage and privilege i'm saying that it is more self-sacrificing i do not have free time i
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do not have hobbies i do not wake up during the day and do what i want to do ever i'm thinking about
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my wife my kids my business yo w fake cowboy that's your decision and that's not like that's what you
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should be doing like a mandatory thing of your masculinity well if you believe that god is true
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i don't and you believe it yeah duh bro get the rocks i don't like god then you do have that
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responsibility what privileges are you like do you are referring to yo cheeto like what privileges do
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male do men have we've constructed this entire society to benefit us break it down like what
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privileges exactly like we talk about the wage gap oh i told you i didn't trust him i told you
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he sold out bro he bro grew up in the hood selling crack and then found feminism or if you look at
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roe versus wade men controlling women's bodies even if there might be those why yo look at l vice
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editing all this shit out that's making him look stupid privileges there's also more men who commit
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suicide more men incarcerated i think when you talk about like more men incarcerated incarceration rates
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and things like that like like things that men are a victim of i think that it's important to like
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recognize like i don't think that men are oppressed solely on the grounds that they're men i think
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that men like experience oppression based on like the intersections of their identities which is you
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know why we see like different like lower class jobs being worked by men or like higher suicide rates
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or like incarceration rates going up because like men like black men brown men indigenous men
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queer men etc those people you see how white queers will always and that's what they like to be called
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queer you see how they try to like jump in with the minority struggle bro you are choosing to be an
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anti-christ fucking fruity xqc you not disenfranchised you're a privilege like you don't you're not
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disadvantaged men like black men brown men indigenous men queer men did you see that little you see that
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little and watch none of the minorities call that shit out trans men etc those people that like face
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oppression they experience oppression but it's no you you don't have to just fucking take your
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anti-christ cross off not solely due to their identity as a man i think i think dating look at
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l vice edited that shit out sex is probably a very interesting place to think about this because it's
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changing field as far as like what people expect of each other i date in new york city a lot
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and dating wise there's a lot that's like asked of a man i think like first dates are like this guy's
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a standard comedian nightmare dude it's like i'm like what do you want i used to do stand-up comedy
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with this guy in new york city bro that's crazy seeing him in here he's actually funny
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it's like i'm like what do you want i think i came up to him because he's the only other asian guy and he
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kind of looked like me i think that's my cousin i'm like bro look another asian dude what's up
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you got like a checkbox like are you gonna pick me up are you gonna hold are you gonna walk on the
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outside of the sidewalk are you gonna open the door are you gonna pull out the seat are you gonna
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pay for the meal are you gonna be interesting during the dinner are you gonna be funny during
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the dinner and then when you walk home are you gonna drop me off are you gonna watch me walk inside
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and then are you gonna text me after and it's like it's like trying to defuse a bomb like if you
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think you'd like you're like red wire blue wire and you're like one little thing and you're just
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done and it's like i'm i'm to the point where i'm like i'm so tired of like paying 150 for a first
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date and then you just ghost me and the next week i'm like hurting for cash i'm like i could have
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really used that 150 like why did i have to you know what i'm saying the trade-off of like going on
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a date and as the man being like oh this sucks i have to pay or as the woman being like oh this sucks
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i might get murdered is like a pretty big you know imbalance on a first date should the man or
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whoever identifies as the man on the date shut the fuck up pick up the check shut up sanjay
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show of hands who thinks yes yes yes look at the cowboy the only person i agree with here
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yeah should is a weird yeah should hurts my triggering feelings bro this is why you gotta
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get the fuck out of these liberal cities okay this has got to be in new york sorry how would you
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put it i very much i could feel new york city i swear to god yo any new yorkers in the chat this
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100 has to be filmed in mad at love gender roles i like masculine men and i want my masculine man to
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pick the check up my so you're bro you're a fucking you're what is fresh doing right here think about
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this next to me is a queer my friends seem to be the same my girlfriend seemed to want that as well
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but i have a male friend who was naturally doing that and with the dates he was going on with women
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they were offended that he like took the check so i think like hey if this woman doesn't want him to
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pay and she wants to show she yo chat i get the taliban's calling me about this guy
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can they go off i think it's a matter of preference
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like you know if someone picked it up for you like you develop a kind of rapport respect with
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that person like so be it if the other person yeah facts facts you mean you spend facts right now
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i like your haircut and your and this guy's really good looking for real damn i wish i looked like that
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you know the woman you're with doesn't want that then maybe it's not the match for that person so i
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think it's dependent on the situation i think that there's such a thing as financial abuse and men
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seem a lot of time because they spend that woman has to be under them or owes them something um i think
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that's when you get talks me personally i love to take care of my partner i love that
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yeah why do you say partner feeling that i give them that they're taking care of when they're with
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me and that's when it's with friends they partner and anybody if you're with me i got you like i guess
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what i'm hearing from you andre is that there's like a lot of pressure to uh inhabit
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the masculine side of good the social expectation yeah why the fuck why the fuck this dude looking
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not really and yet you might not get the benefit that you would have expected generations ago
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and that puts you in a weird position yeah well we live in a city where there's eight million people
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and uh you know a lot of these girls especially if you're really attractive guys are hitting on
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them all day so they feel like celebrities you got so many options i don't blame me i'd be the same
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way becomes like somebody better i think technology has a big part to do with that now like modern
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times like online dating instagram especially as a girl you're gonna have 30 dms a day think about
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this ladies last thoughts so like for girth so how about this yeah i was gonna swipe it up i think
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that's a so it's like okay cool so i'm gonna go okay cool that's a big reason why it can be tougher
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for some men i'm not successful i think what he's saying is there's a toxicity to femininity as well
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there is there is a toxic side to both genders toxic i think anybody can be narcissistic but i think
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that it's like weird to randomly attribute that to like women in new york because they're being
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complimented all day there's a term that's called absolute power corrupts absolutely so but that is
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yo bad bitches in new york city walk around like celebrities they got the headphones in
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they're i got the hat over their head oh no pictures no pictures when we're talking about
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masculinity that's what we've had we've typically had that we can do whatever we want and we do it
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because we squeeze we corrupt we take historically you take over things places that you don't like and
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you rape the women and yo fresh your masculinity is literally dying bro i saw the black guy's eyes
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that he was low iq look at it he has a different look in his eyes i've seen it many different times
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low iq people yo zelchi bro that was an autistic ass don't take the gold and you and you know you do
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what you want because you have that power now when we see women have that power we're like whoa
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she's literally just getting a taste of the power that men have had for centuries but on the flip side
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of this perspective of dating of like the poor guy who goes think about this so okay cool i have
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cheetos in my hair on these dates and gets ghosted and and it's it's a struggle to date on the other
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side of that is uh men have more sex men cheat more they have more affairs so if i'm a woman and i'm
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looking for a guy um i would be really selective i would have a list of what i was looking for
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and the guy would have to meet those standards then they would be high i think over the last
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several years the me too movement has given a lot of insight into what women are feeling in the
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workplace what they're experiencing how they're being abused and other i got a career for sucking
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dick was silenced how institutions of power have kept them silent and we've heard some really awful
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stories and some terrible shit i want to hear from you guys what you think about where we what the
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me too movement did has it gone too far what does it mean for you i think it's good for women to
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expose men who are doing evil things in the workplace i think it's been a good thing in exposing sexual
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abuse there's also the opposite side of that coin where where women are allowed privileged to do
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certain things that men are not so in the workplace i i was working at a place where a woman was
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grabbing me inappropriately doing things that were inappropriate and when you bring that up to your
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co-workers you know what they say they laugh and they say you should be excited right so if a man is
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sexually abused the the stigma totally changes well i don't think me too necessarily like
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is what prevented people from believing you in your story and like your story is valid like i'm not
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here to suppress that but it kind of undermining it do you think that like it's worth noting women
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are far more likely to be bro get out of this panel and go to the female one bro i'm sick of these
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fucking i'm sick of these victims of sexual assault you just experienced a little bit of weakness that
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women feel most of the time when we're talking about constructs you see how they're undermining it
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right now you know you guys are saying we need to deconstruct masculinity i'm saying there's there
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are unequal biases with both genders when it comes to it not necessarily being as um viewed as as valid
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if that it happens to be the case because of other men though you know what i'm saying like other men are
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people that downplay that and that's when we come back to the talk of you know patriarchy and things
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like that was put in place by men and is enforced by men and i went for i went for a walk to get dinner
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last night now i walked several blocks because i wanted to check out a a few things um and it was
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dark uh not a single time did the idea that i would be physically or sexually assaulted cross my mind
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not a single time i can imagine that that doesn't really work out for for women it comes down to
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biological differences as a man you're more likely to be able to have more of a chance to fend off
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someone attacking you that being said okay cool think about this so that's thoughts ladies and we'll
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start here life for girth so that being said i put cheetos as a woman not really so that's why you know
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we have things like mace and tasers or having a gun is it something about um it's hard to admit that
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you're a victim yeah for sure for sure and to and to complain about it people look at you like
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remember terry cruz you can get his nuts squeezed and shit right why don't you do something why'd you
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look how the world ridiculed him you know oh you got you ain't do nothing like oh you a bitch
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you know so we as men especially super guys that grew up in super masculine houses we don't really
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like to admit weakness well and there's and it's in our language right like don't be a bitch like don't
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be a pussy like it it's it's very we internalize that yeah that's all examples of like toxic
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masculinity like it's never to invalidate somebody's experience but like like it must be obvious that
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like these are rules and roles enforced by men and created by men well in toxic masculinity and power
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kind of go hand in hand i mean we're talking about peanut butter and jelly you know what it is i think
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sometimes we've got to go to work and like if we're caught complaining about it we're like admitting
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weakness it's like you're not a man how does that feel it doesn't feel great but that doesn't stop
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me from doing what i need to do um if you talk about a little bit of pressure that goes with it
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yeah there's a little bit of pressure if you can withstand it you become a successful man but what
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does that have to do with being a man like surely why are you speaking on being a man bro you're not
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even a man you said yourself i'm gender whatever binary bullshit stop speaking on this bro and go
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fucking do whatever you do like a woman can do all those things so why even attribute it to your
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gender that's a good point but i think also um no it's not if you're talking in terms of biological
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generally men are more logical right more reasoning
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um ses that was a little toxic uh more yeah why are you making that cringe face xqc that is true
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bro i hate bro new york bro anyone in new york in the chat you can't even say that men are more
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logical in new york city you can't even say that women are emotional without oh my god this is why i
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left new york where you at nah that he moving he moving i disagree there is no scientific backing for
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that whatsoever saying i just think it's a commonly used stereotype i mean i'm not maybe talking about
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okay you guys can say that i think more about me like i'm more of like a logical you know factual
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based guy like i have emotions um but you know i don't let that deter me from what i need to do
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like my my reasoning do you talk with people about your emotions a lot please say no please say no
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don't represent asians like that no i mean i have people i have friends i have close guy friends i can
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talk to you do yeah okay good answer there's an interesting uh thing came out where like guys these
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days have fewer than three friends like it's hard for men to make friends with each other i think
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that's a big problem now in in modern times because you you hear about you know the suicide rates going
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up i think that's a big reason for men aren't allowed to talk about it with safe people so if
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you talk about masculinity crisis that's the crisis right there i think that men find friends very
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easily in terms of like okay preach oh yo you lift um 240 i lift 242 let's like spot each other like
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basketball whatever but i think that we've we have super no chad i'm going to the party i'm not i don't know
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about the meeting superficial relationships in those friendships you know in which like it's
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very like surface level like coming back to what you're talking about we don't talk about feelings
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and and things like that that comes back to how you know you're brought up and how like wars are
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taught in certain ways how we go about talking to each other and how we go about expressing ourselves
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all right bubble bass you spin facts one of those agents who's talking like a black dude because
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that's in new york everybody kind of sounds like that but yo bubble bass spitting facts right now he
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got he he ain't got pickles under his tongue he got fried chicken hiding under there
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how much of this is is men putting ourselves in a little box i can tell you uh i wouldn't have
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shared my emotions with with people when when i was younger um but i have people in my life now who i
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feel completely comfortable sharing my insecurities my vulnerabilities you know how i'm feeling that
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ends up being one of the reasons why men end up with limited friends because i mean how many people
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can you actually feel like you can be open and honest with but there's something holding there's
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something holding people back yeah and i think it's us i think we're we're doing it because we're
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putting ourselves uh in in this masculinity box if you will i think that vulnerability um for men
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oftentimes of you to surrender and like that is a you know what i mean yo bro his nose gotta be
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but why he looked like he about to laugh every second yo low yo why why do you look like he's mid
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sneeze right now that's an example of weakness okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay
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which like someone can possibly take advantage of it or it used to be viewed as such you know where
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it's all right cool like he cried oh that means he's soft so now i can challenge him and this is
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something that i really struggle with um as a black man that grew up in the hood you couldn't be soft
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you you couldn't come outside you know what i'm saying so you you had to take on this this
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persona in order to be a quote unquote man as i got older i realized i still had to do that
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with women i had to be a certain way for them to look at me as a man and if i didn't perform in that
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manner they also called me a bitch yeah they want a real like right so it's like as progressive
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the hood as i may want to be is the world accepting of that on as a whole nah we outside
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because even if the guy even if the other men don't like it but the women like it i might be like
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i don't care what the guys think as long as the women like it but there are spaces where the women
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will be like look at him he wants a finger in his butt sorry what the
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jesus where the women will be like look at him he wants a finger in his butt
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you know what i'm saying like he that's not my type of guy he's not my type of guy and i can't be
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open with sex or accepting having gay friends pardon you know that's what you like but i can't
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right right you can't be open about certain things because then you become questionable and
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you're pushed yo you acting mad questionable right now son nah word word am i dead when the
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word is born yo on the act you're moving bro out of the safe space you know sex is a difficult
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thing for for men to talk about even with each other especially if you do have some kind of kink
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because you're not allowed to be vulnerable you're not allowed to be weak you're not
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bro did this did he just say on vice that he takes fingers in the butt allowed to fail
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and a lot of people that when you say the suicide waste you give up because you have nowhere to turn
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i kind of disagree with you on the on the fact about that pressure is causing i think it's more
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the lack of support and guidance for a lot of guys like they don't know where to turn like
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they like a lot of guys you know suicide i think is like when you lose hope right so
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they just don't have hope what about not wanting to go get it because there's there's places to be
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there's people to go you can go to church i mean you go to therapy but i don't feel like you know
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when when you say guys don't want to express weakness i think taking that step is a lot it's
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hard for a lot of men because then that expresses weakness it's hard for a lot of guys you know
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what's interesting that what i'm hearing is that as men you also are victimized by the sexist
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expectations of masculinity it also makes it um hard for men to uh love themselves um and and love
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themselves enough to understand that they're in trouble you know and um i i know that's something
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that that happened in my life it was but before i did finally go to therapy and get the demons out
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l therapy oh bro this god demons white that i needed to get out um you're right yo default
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apocalypse said it right right before it happened these motherfuckers about to talk about therapy
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now you were right it took me meeting and i took the finger in the butt out of context he was saying
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if you're vulnerable with the bitch they think you're gay bro i i don't but i i don't know what
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the hell you why was that his example uh a woman who actually made me want to love myself
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you found a woman who gave you peace and and changed you a lot well great if if a man is dating
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a woman and she doesn't like that he's not masculine enough it's kind of like to me i feel
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like too bad for him he should go find someone else that's part of the dating scene everyone has
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things that they like and things that chat type of one of therapy turns you gay they don't like
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i feel like your preference is your preference but at like some point i think it's like noteworthy
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and responsible to like understand where those preferences or like originate not necessarily i
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think our life experiences uh form what we really want in our dating life and because i grew up in a
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broken home and i didn't have a man in the house i want a man who gives me security and protection
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i don't think me deconstructing masculine is gonna do that yo why are the bumbleclots fighting for me
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i was missing that in my childhood and that's what i want in a man i tend to diverge from like the
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freudian daddy issues stuff when it comes to like what congratulations i'm so happy why are
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they jacking this whole interview for you i want a man who gives me security thank you i think what
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what the hell is this fruity ass argument in the men panel what was this why are they catfighting
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it's like keeping up with the kardashians i feel like what congratulations i'm so happy for you i want
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a man who gives me security thank you i think i think right what if i'm with a woman and the bad
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dates i've had is when i'm like talking about my problems i'm complaining about something i'm not
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gonna see that woman if i'm projecting more strength and i'm more charismatic i'm positive
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i'm probably gonna see that woman so i think as much as like guys you know you want guys to be
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vulnerable that doesn't work a lot of times and i think it just comes down to that that's what i'm
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saying that's what it is like that's what i'm saying it sounds like a lot of you are saying that's
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wrong yeah and it's like it's like yeah i think it is what it is i just think that society teaches
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you you have to be a certain way and that's really and that's my issue because if this is who you are
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your character right it just blossoms into this person that loves to pay for dates loves to open
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doors and loves to walk in the house then that's fine but when society tells you that from a young
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boy that that's the only way to be as a man this is the only way to be and you think about things
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like uh say people on the download that don't that don't want to come out till later because
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they're scared bro it stops it but what the hell is he what is this dude is he gonna end people on
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the download listen listen listen listen listen listen listen you guys said i took it out of
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context what did you say he said you're vulnerable with a bitch they think you're gay one more time
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what the fuck is he that don't that don't want to come out till later because they're scared of
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societal pressures right you should be able to be whoever you want without society telling you
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you have to be this way in order to fit in this box pressure is on like the body like
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pressure is to be buff to like look good there is a certain pressure i guess you can call it for
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guys to look a certain way especially if they're trying to attract women so i think it comes down to
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just men who look a certain way tend to look more competent they can protect i was gonna add on to
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what you were saying if a guy looks fit if a guy looks strong that being said okay as a girl she's
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probably thinking if i'm on the street and somebody tries to do something to me i know that he can
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handle it i also think generally like guys who don't have the body that they're looking for are
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generally about to say it's okay to be fat generally they're not as healthy nice nice nice make fun of
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bubble baths preach behind you um it's not just a look thing it's just a health thing yeah you know
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the body and mind are connected um if someone is strong they're probably gonna look strong and they're
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probably gonna feel strong so i think um when you say it's a pressure i think it's it can be construed
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as a healthy pressure hey get strong be strong because you're gonna be a healthier and more mentally
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fit individual for example i was a gymnast and i think you know the training that i did not only
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trained my body but it winded up training my mind and making me a stronger human period as the period
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skinniest person here um pretty skinny you're skinny all right as this second w sticko in the chat
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no it's like i don't know it's like yeah you do i've i've had a bunch of girls like friends on me
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and i'd be like why and they're like you're just too skinny and i'd be like damn i mean they kept it
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so real i can't that's yeah kind of him to say that yeah is saying that there is a good and natural
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connection between like feeling good healthy habits looking good and that there's a masculine ideal to
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that of some sort does anyone disagree with that here i do body diversity exists across like
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multiple spectrums and i think that it's unfair to like only attribute like mental fortitude like
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mental strength to like physical strength not having like a perfectly in shape but it doesn't
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necessarily mean you're unhealthy told you the woke movement is telling you that fat is okay by any
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means and i also don't think it necessarily means that you like lack mental fortitude i don't think
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i'm saying that um um to look strong as oh come on adi chinko do a better job of debating only way to
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be mentally strong um i think as long as you feel like you have a competent physical body i think that's
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going to benefit your mental health how do you define competent yeah i think in terms of what you're
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trying to do so if you can't even say in shape in new york anymore look at wokeness bro what do you
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are you a student like do you what are your endeavors in life me yes i'm a student athlete
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okay what kind of what kind of sport i'm a springboard diver okay do you um train to do springboard
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diving yeah okay and do you feel good when you train and you do well on the springboard yeah i think
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that's what i mean that's what i'm talking about if you feel competent at the endeavors you're trying
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to do i think that's but i think there's a lot of like non-athletic people who may not be in like
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like the same physical shape as like an athlete would be who are competent in what they're trying
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to do because that like action has nothing to do with like their like so that's where i disagree
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with you that's why i disagree with you i think some people who don't what did you say i can't even
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do it like they're like so they're competent in what they're trying to do because that like action
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has nothing to do with like they're like so that's where you can't be a fat you can't be bubble
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bass jumping off the springboard you go and break it before you get in the water i agree with you
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I think some people who don't realize the potential.
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It's not that you have to work out to have a competent mind.
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It's that working out does help with competency.
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We already know when you work out, endorphins are released.
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There's so many times I wake up, I don't want to go to the gym.
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They were very confident successful men who couldn't walk.
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And so I'm going to say that it doesn't define you as a man.
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But it's the societal pressure to be in shape for men.
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I don't like when my stomach, when I'm having sex,
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We've spent all this time, like, deconstructing masculinity
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But then it seems as though if a woman or someone dating says,
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hey, I want a swole guy, suddenly it's like,
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sorry, I don't think that's a societal pressure.
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That's what that woman wants, and she's entitled to have.
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But I also, I also, you know, I have body type preferences.
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Like, there's, I'm not going to say what it is,
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and I'm like, you don't really have the, what I'm looking.
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He's afraid to say he doesn't like fat bitches.
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But in my head, I'm just like, ah, this isn't going to work.
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Yo, L being scared to say what your fucking preference is.
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And another thing to make, like, a sweeping, like, conclusion
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No, people are entitled to date their preference.
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Because when you look at statistics, they say that, what is it,
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like, 70% of CEOs are over the size 6'4", for example.
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So there is, amongst men, a pressure to be bigger,
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And so there is a pressure for men who are naturally smaller
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Oh, and every one of us here have heard little man syndrome.
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Specifically, like, you know, short King spring or whatever.
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I mean, there is, like, I guess, like, on Twitter,
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I've seen, like, oh, people getting a surgical procedure
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to break their legs and add 6 inches to their height
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it also, like, comes into socioeconomic background
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It's like, you literally can't do anything.
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Yeah, Chad, what are they fucking talking about right now?
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This conversation is proof as to why therapy is a waste of time.
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About that, I think that's where it becomes harmful,
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which, like, all right, like, if there is the pressure
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or something I literally cannot change about myself,
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It's when confidence crosses the line of arrogance.
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I don't find arrogance to be big dick energy.
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I find it to be insecure if you're arrogant.
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They got a group of men talking about big dick energy, bro.
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I find it so odd to equate somebody who's, like, the size of their...
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I'd rather go to therapy to finish this with all love and respect.
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Now we're getting into, like, you know, a deeper conversation,
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which, like, some men see their value based off the size of what they're carrying between their legs, you know?
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So, like, that's why the conversation big dick energy comes into place, because people feel as though, like, you know, a man that's, like, you know, more...
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You see the woke indoctrination, bro, ten dudes talking...
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It's more, like, you know, one, they're better in bed.
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You know, so the stereotypes associated with having a big dick.
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It's a lack of a need to overcompensate to society because you know you're...
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And sometimes that kind of stuff bleeds into violence, and you see that in domestic violence situations.
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Like, men are, like, the perpetrators of that, by and large.
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There's something wrong with masculinity when it becomes violent.
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I also think because of testosterone and a number of different things, men are inherently more violent.