SNEAKO - SNEAKO X NICK FUENTES X JAKE SHIELDS

00:00:00.000 All right.

00:00:07.160 We'll say he's supposed to be here in like 15 minutes and hopefully he does.

00:00:09.860 Just a lot of them.

00:00:11.420 He did say nine minutes, but he said that.

00:00:13.620 That's true.

00:00:14.220 He doesn't show over.

00:00:15.240 He's already about this.

00:00:17.360 Is everything good on the phone just to say, yeah?

00:00:21.340 Yeah, I think that's what we need to get started.

00:00:22.920 Yeah.

00:00:30.000 Okay, now I'm on my way.

00:00:32.920 There we go.

00:00:33.340 We just got a text from Nick.

00:00:35.720 Where are we starting?

00:00:36.500 Was that the...

00:00:37.080 Are we good?

00:00:37.620 Or live?

00:00:38.180 We started still, yeah.

00:00:39.080 Okay, perfect.

00:00:40.380 So, guys, sorry we're late.

00:00:41.840 We literally just got a text.

00:00:43.320 We just decided like, fuck it, let's just go live.

00:00:45.740 And then Nick texted.

00:00:46.520 He's going to be here.

00:00:47.480 Yeah, so hopefully for your 10-12 minutes, he's running on brother time.

00:00:51.500 As a white nationalist.

00:00:52.880 Right.

00:00:53.380 On black people time, but that's okay.

00:00:55.120 It is a fence.

00:00:55.800 He has a big event tomorrow, but yeah, still a little irritating.

00:00:58.540 Almost an hour late.

00:00:59.300 It is what it is.

00:01:00.480 I mean, it must be really busy.

00:01:01.740 It's obviously, this is a big event.

00:01:04.080 There's a lot of cool people here.

00:01:05.060 A big event, yeah.

00:01:05.780 It's going to be massive, it seems.

00:01:07.000 I mean, like you, Myron's flying out tomorrow.

00:01:09.180 Maybe.

00:01:09.640 I was speaking to him.

00:01:10.600 I'm not sure if he's confirmed.

00:01:11.660 Oh, if it was confirmed.

00:01:12.500 Sounded like he was yesterday, but you know how it is.

00:01:14.300 Yeah, he's had like four podcasts today.

00:01:16.760 We just met Dr. Lupus.

00:01:18.060 Dr. Lupus, yeah.

00:01:18.920 With her.

00:01:19.360 Yeah, Suleiman's here.

00:01:20.840 It's like all the racist people on Twitter in one space.

00:01:24.000 Yeah, right.

00:01:24.440 It's good to be here.

00:01:25.080 And half of us aren't white.

00:01:26.440 Like, apparently I just found, I got criticized.

00:01:28.580 You're black or Native American.

00:01:29.840 What are you, by the way?

00:01:30.600 I have some white, apparently pro-white count saying I'm like, I'm not white enough, which

00:01:34.660 I've never claimed to be 100% white.

00:01:36.040 I'm mostly white for being a slight bit Native American and Japanese.

00:01:38.880 I never figured you were something else besides white, but actually when I saw that picture,

00:01:42.480 I'm like, are you saying I'm white because I'm like 90% white, but apparently that 10%

00:01:46.200 is like not good enough to be pro-white for these crazy people.

00:01:49.720 How do you know the other percentage?

00:01:51.040 You did other than that?

00:01:51.800 I haven't done a PA test, so I can't even say for sure.

00:01:54.680 Maybe I'm Jewish.

00:01:55.600 Maybe you are.

00:01:56.740 That would be good to beat that.

00:01:58.160 I think I'm like 6% Ashkenazi.

00:01:59.940 So, like, if they call me anti-Semitic, I can't be anti-myself.

00:02:03.680 But, yeah, we're here in Detroit.

00:02:05.400 I've never been to Detroit before.

00:02:07.160 We have the event tomorrow.

00:02:09.100 AFPAC starts tomorrow.

00:02:10.180 TPUSA was today.

00:02:11.620 You guys got kicked out of TPUSA today.

00:02:14.040 There was that viral video going around.

00:02:15.900 Pretty sure everybody has seen that already.

00:02:18.620 I think Nick can talk about that more when he's here, but I want to hear from your perspective

00:02:21.340 because you look pretty angry.

00:02:23.020 You know, it's funny seeing you next to Nick because it's like Nick is the, it's like he's

00:02:27.140 the president and then you're the top secret service guy, like, with your finger in the

00:02:30.540 ear.

00:02:31.020 And then you're, yeah, like, you look pretty riled up talking to the security.

00:02:34.240 What happened?

00:02:34.620 Yeah, I used to get really protected with my friends more so than myself.

00:02:37.100 That's the funny part.

00:02:37.920 Like, I never get invited to people to insult me, but they were just, I just felt insulted

00:02:41.700 because I'd actually been, we'd been talking for like an hour trying to be getting Nick

00:02:44.880 passes.

00:02:45.640 They weren't saying no.

00:02:46.700 They kept acting like they didn't give Nick a pass, but it just wasn't, it kept, it was

00:02:49.820 this runaround we were getting.

00:02:51.220 We were, first we had to go to someone else.

00:02:52.640 We talked to someone else higher.

00:02:53.980 And then we kept talking and being like, can we just get Nick a pass?

00:02:56.720 We're going to walk in.

00:02:57.560 We're not going to, I'll keep an eye on him.

00:02:59.140 I'll make the word, you know, I'll give my best to make sure he causes no trouble.

00:03:03.240 And they never said no, but then he showed up.

00:03:04.920 Someone else gave a pass.

00:03:05.940 We went to walk through and instantly like five securities just ran up and they're like,

00:03:09.920 stop, give us your ID.

00:03:11.560 It's like, what is this?

00:03:12.520 Is this like America?

00:03:13.540 Yeah.

00:03:13.920 And they pull out his ID and they just like, you're out of here right now.

00:03:17.020 We're hitting you with trespassing.

00:03:18.320 And then that's, I just felt they got a little like offended then.

00:03:21.380 It's like, this is America.

00:03:22.580 And like, what did Nick do?

00:03:23.940 I kept asking him, what did Nick do?

00:03:25.560 And they wouldn't give me an answer.

00:03:26.260 I didn't have any, I mean, it was written by Charlie Kirk, right?

00:03:28.160 Is that the basis of TPUSA?

00:03:30.400 Yeah.

00:03:30.700 And I have no personal grudge with Charlie Kirk.

00:03:32.880 I don't know anything too much about him.

00:03:34.060 I've seen him have some pretty normie conservative takes.

00:03:37.140 Like, he was going to make pronoun jokes and stuff like that.

00:03:39.540 When you walk in TPUSA, his face is like splattered all over the walls.

00:03:42.580 He looks like a dead rapper or something because he's just everywhere.

00:03:46.740 So he organized TPUSA.

00:03:48.060 Yeah, he, I don't know all the details, but yes, I believe it was his event.

00:03:51.440 I mean, I'm taking, my guess is he gets a lot of money from Israel.

00:03:54.960 That's how it appears to me, which is why he has to.

00:03:56.780 I mean, there's a video picture of him kissing the wall and doing the whole rounds.

00:04:00.180 Oh, kissing the wall.

00:04:01.280 That's embarrassing.

00:04:02.300 Unfortunately, I've been to Israel myself.

00:04:03.760 I noticed that probably.

00:04:04.220 You didn't kiss the wall with the hat, did you?

00:04:05.280 I didn't kiss the wall with the wall.

00:04:06.180 You didn't kiss the wall?

00:04:06.940 I didn't kiss it.

00:04:07.660 Okay, you didn't kiss it.

00:04:08.620 When I run for office, that's going to pop up and they're going to be like.

00:04:11.340 Because they take you there.

00:04:12.340 They give you a tour.

00:04:13.260 They try to see how great they are.

00:04:14.940 And I see them just how bad they treat the Muslims and stuff out there.

00:04:18.800 Did you see it when you went at that time?

00:04:20.300 A little bit because they were definitely very rude, like in Jerusalem.

00:04:23.560 And I happened to have friends in the West Bank while I was there.

00:04:27.300 And I was trying to visit my friends.

00:04:28.500 They gave them to be like, oh, they're a bunch of dirty terrorists.

00:04:31.040 You can't go down there.

00:04:32.020 And my friends would be like, no, it's totally safe.

00:04:34.420 We're going to watch out for you.

00:04:36.160 And the IDF guy is basically going to let me go out there.

00:04:38.740 And that's when I really.

00:04:40.120 How long ago was that?

00:04:41.280 Because I see that on Twitter sometimes some Zionists will try to use that against you.

00:04:44.800 Like, oh, Jake Shields is anti-Israel.

00:04:46.880 But here he is in Israel.

00:04:48.040 But you very clearly didn't know at the time.

00:04:51.240 And it's okay that everybody changed their opinion.

00:04:54.640 I mean, everybody at some point probably thought Israel.

00:04:56.940 I mean, let's be honest.

00:04:57.580 Most people thought it was our biggest ally at a certain point.

00:05:00.600 Yeah, I think we were all raised to believe that.

00:05:02.660 And I think that's why people are constantly getting attacked.

00:05:05.480 Like, there was a girl who went by the other day.

00:05:06.800 And she has some pro-Israel.

00:05:08.460 The nigger girl.

00:05:09.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:09.560 She has some pro-Israel stuff.

00:05:10.660 And they're like, oh, see, she's an Israel plant.

00:05:12.180 Jew that.

00:05:13.100 But then on the message, she goes, I've changed my opinions.

00:05:15.160 Instead of people being like, oh, that's good.

00:05:17.000 She's changed her opinions.

00:05:17.940 They want to attack you.

00:05:18.800 But as Americans, we're taught from a young age that Israel is our greatest ally.

00:05:23.280 If you actually do a little research.

00:05:24.680 So she changed her, the nigger girl changed her opinions?

00:05:26.480 I haven't talked in detail with her with how she's changed them.

00:05:29.260 But in her own words, she's changed her opinions.

00:05:31.160 So I would prefer to try to figure out how she's changed her opinions and what her new views are.

00:05:36.820 But instead, everyone else starts attacking her and being like, oh, you used to start hating her automatically.

00:05:40.340 Yeah, no, I was talking to Suleiman about that, who's also here.

00:05:43.220 And because I want to have her on stream.

00:05:44.840 Yeah.

00:05:45.080 Open invitation to nigger girl.

00:05:46.420 I'm sorry for getting your name wrong.

00:05:47.580 We'll be back on tomorrow.

00:05:48.620 But anyway.

00:05:48.900 Okay, maybe I'll speak to her tomorrow.

00:05:50.900 And then Suleiman's like, oh, look, she said all this stuff about Israel and Zionists.

00:05:53.900 But it's like, you can't blame most of these people and the propagandas everywhere when everything is steering you to believe this stuff and to hate Muslims, especially.

00:06:01.140 Yeah, we were taught that from a young age.

00:06:03.180 Personally, I was lucky we were to have some Muslim friends, I think, early on, on the early 20s.

00:06:08.960 But after 9-11, they were pushing so much Muslim hate.

00:06:13.420 But I met some Muslims when I said they're really cool people.

00:06:15.240 But you can see how you're involved with the propaganda.

00:06:16.900 And so instead of being like, oh, I can't believe these people hate Muslims, why don't you come over and just, like, win them back again?

00:06:23.660 Let them know they've been.

00:06:24.980 You don't want to automatically talk to someone.

00:06:27.000 Or automatically, like, ostracize someone because opinions they once helped.

00:06:30.620 People are always growing and changing.

00:06:32.500 I've changed my opinion on multiple things.

00:06:34.320 I'm sure you have too, right?

00:06:35.340 Yeah, quite a bit.

00:06:35.900 So just the idea that we should ostracize people instead of, I think we need to bring them to the truth.

00:06:39.600 And I think, I just think it was kind of, you know, particularly a lot of people on my side, I feel like I grew way too hard.

00:06:46.520 She's young, I believe, like early 20s.

00:06:48.940 Yeah, she has some tweets from a couple years ago being very pro-Israel.

00:06:52.080 But literally she had a reason for you, and I changed my mind on Israel.

00:06:54.860 There was one where she tweeted, fuck Islam.

00:06:56.660 I saw her say that.

00:06:58.140 Yeah, but people, like I said, people can grow and change.

00:07:00.260 They're brainwashed, yeah.

00:07:01.100 I don't think that we should hold that again.

00:07:02.440 Especially women.

00:07:03.320 Like, to hold women to the same standards as, like, a politician is just, like, silly.

00:07:07.200 It's a girl.

00:07:08.340 You know, at the end of the day.

00:07:09.360 Women are very programmable.

00:07:10.860 It's an unfortunate reality, though.

00:07:13.380 But, you know, I'm misogynist.

00:07:14.680 I think women probably shouldn't vote, but they do.

00:07:16.300 That's not misogynistic.

00:07:17.400 Yeah, but, so I could whine and save a pill the 19th.

00:07:20.780 That is not going to happen.

00:07:22.320 It makes a lot more sense to us to learn how to manipulate women.

00:07:25.600 Women emotionally are manipulated.

00:07:28.260 Men are logical.

00:07:29.320 Yeah.

00:07:29.540 So look what the Democrats do.

00:07:30.720 They take all this emotional manipulation, and that's why they win the elections.

00:07:34.320 Like, maybe manipulation isn't the right word, because it's truth.

00:07:38.340 No, it is manipulation.

00:07:40.060 But it's like, we need to learn from the playbook of what they're doing.

00:07:43.160 Like, the Jewish lobbies, they literally have written out playbooks and talking points.

00:07:47.540 So why try to ostracize and push these people away?

00:07:50.460 Why not take someone like her and be like, oh, take her to our side?

00:07:54.020 I just, that's my opinion.

00:07:55.320 I think I was definitely a minority in the group taught, and everyone was, like, saying I was an idiot.

00:07:59.040 And, you know, she's a Jewish off-spy, but...

00:08:02.440 I think a lot of those guys, like, when they're really in deep in politics, just hate, actually hate women.

00:08:07.140 I think they actually are misogynistic.

00:08:08.740 See, you call yourself a misogynist at the same time, you're around women all the time.

00:08:12.000 If you hated women, you wouldn't be around them.

00:08:13.640 If you're isolated from women, and then most of your social interaction is through other autistic people on the internet,

00:08:19.140 naturally you're going to be kind of racist and misogynistic, like, unintentionally.

00:08:23.680 So it is silly to push these people away, like girls like her.

00:08:28.320 It's literally half the votes.

00:08:30.000 No, and you're right, I guess I said it's a bit misogynistic, but actually I love and adore women.

00:08:33.100 I just think men and women are different, but we don't have the same traits.

00:08:36.380 So it's like, but I love women.

00:08:38.140 I think a lot of these guys have maybe been mistreated by women, or they have no luck with them, so they get this anger.

00:08:43.020 But if you're in a life where women respect you and treat you good, you're going to look at them positively.

00:08:47.020 And people right now are getting upset.

00:08:48.680 They're saying, like, no e-girls, no girls.

00:08:51.400 But you can't win elections without this.

00:08:53.620 And I understand their perspective because, you know, the e-girls can be a problem, and maybe it's not the best.

00:09:00.120 But how are we going to win elections if we don't reach the normal girls?

00:09:02.600 I mean, Hillary Clinton proved that.

00:09:04.520 Hillary knew how effective it was to go and sway people towards that direction, saying, like, we want her.

00:09:10.820 I think the slogan was something like, she is the best.

00:09:14.180 I don't know.

00:09:14.540 It's just they tried to play into the I'm a woman part so much, and I think something like 70% of American women voted for it.

00:09:19.960 That's why it was so close in 2016.

00:09:21.760 Yeah, it's tricky because I understand the no e-girl thing.

00:09:25.800 It would be great if they couldn't vote, but they can.

00:09:27.960 They're more than 50% of the vote.

00:09:30.540 So if we just yelled at them and called up whores and attention-seekers, how are we going to win elections?

00:09:36.200 It's like, we need to do a little bit of, like, a little bit of thinking and how are we going to outreach.

00:09:40.980 We've actually, I generally want to change this country.

00:09:43.720 Yeah, sure, these movements are fun.

00:09:46.540 It's great to go on there, but if we're trying to move to the next level, and Nick has done an amazing job with his organization.

00:09:52.980 It's extremely impressive how loyal his fans are, but they might need to start looking at the big picture a little more.

00:09:58.320 Nick wants to move to presidency, and maybe someday, and real things, he's going to have to bring in the women's vote.

00:10:03.580 I mean, that's the whole benefit of the Trump campaign, right?

00:10:06.520 Like, the MAGA movement, and I'm sure you're a Trump supporter.

00:10:09.300 We disagree with them about, yeah, kind of.

00:10:11.320 Same thing, I'm kind of a Trump supporter at the same time.

00:10:13.720 He has Zionist ties.

00:10:15.340 He was pro-vaccine.

00:10:16.400 Let's be real.

00:10:16.980 We don't need to go pretend these things.

00:10:18.440 But Make America Great Again, it symbolizes something greater than Trump himself.

00:10:22.440 It's people that want to drain the swamp.

00:10:24.360 People that want to put America first.

00:10:25.820 People that want to build a wall who are tired of illegal immigrants.

00:10:28.800 People who love this country.

00:10:30.160 I think that his movement is synonymous with loving America.

00:10:34.580 So even if you don't agree with everything about Trump, you could still be part of that movement.

00:10:37.760 That's true.

00:10:38.000 And we could try to push each other in the right direction.

00:10:39.980 That's more important than holding one little thing against each other if we don't agree on everything.

00:10:45.440 Yeah, and I agree.

00:10:46.200 And I think, like I said, that's what Nick overall.

00:10:48.920 You know, I want to say I'm part of this movement, but I'm an ally because overall, we both love the country and we both want the country to be better.

00:10:54.820 But I think the biggest flaw is pushing women away.

00:10:57.000 You're going to have to find a way to reach the women's vote.

00:11:01.360 Where did you realize that?

00:11:02.480 Where did you see that that's the biggest flaw?

00:11:04.400 I just certainly haven't thought about it.

00:11:05.740 I just see how they always, like, attack girls, like Morgan, I'll give her to her.

00:11:10.440 You know, she's a friend of mine to go, oh, can you give her a VIP?

00:11:12.880 And then instantly everyone was just, like, attacking her.

00:11:14.960 Or even after VIP, I said, could you get a ticket?

00:11:17.060 And then Nick announced her, announced her name, and everyone was just going after her for it.

00:11:20.960 Like, maybe a little too hard.

00:11:22.300 I'm not saying some of the attacks, you know, can be deserved sometimes.

00:11:25.740 I'm not saying we can't ever attack women and have to love e-girls.

00:11:29.140 But you have to, like, you have to reach out a little bit to Normie.

00:11:32.840 That's the votes.

00:11:33.760 It's Normie girls.

00:11:34.480 So it doesn't necessarily have to be that movement, does it?

00:11:38.000 But there has to be some kind of allied movement that's bringing these girls in.

00:11:42.200 Do you find yourself, you've met some of the Gorkers today, right?

00:11:45.540 Yeah.

00:11:46.080 What is your response?

00:11:46.880 You probably haven't ever met that many in real life before.

00:11:49.500 I've been to these events before.

00:11:51.200 I spoke at AFPAC 3.

00:11:52.360 Yeah.

00:11:52.800 And I know these people, so I get a sense of what they're like.

00:11:55.880 You come from the MMA, UFC background.

00:11:57.760 What is it like seeing, like, political guys?

00:11:59.900 It's very similar to MMA, really.

00:12:01.640 You know, it's mostly men, but they're all extremely respectful.

00:12:03.560 I've had no, for the most part, they all really like and respect me.

00:12:07.040 So I've had no issues.

00:12:08.680 Yeah, it was, we were walking to TV USA today.

00:12:11.100 Some people were, like, taking pictures.

00:12:12.800 And then, do you see the security, like, hound them down?

00:12:15.080 Like, there was a little group that started to appear.

00:12:17.120 And then they immediately got shoved away.

00:12:20.460 Yeah, it was a pretty big blowout, which I think you kind of can see it on video when we came in earlier.

00:12:24.780 Because, you know, like I said, I was working on getting Nick a pass.

00:12:28.560 They never said no, but they were just having trouble.

00:12:30.520 And then Nick comes in.

00:12:31.840 So I ran out to meet him outside and goes to walk in with him.

00:12:34.660 Second, he walks in, just hungers up, just go crazy chanting.

00:12:38.660 I'm like, wow, he has a loyal audience, you know, just going crazy.

00:12:42.440 So I think that maybe freaked the security out a little bit.

00:12:45.680 That's crazy to have a couple hundred people just waiting for you, just to freak out when you walk in.

00:12:49.200 You know, like, he's a star with his group.

00:12:52.040 So I was like, wow, interesting.

00:12:53.140 So, you know, when you walk up, I thought we were going to get in.

00:12:55.200 He's got a pass, we're going in.

00:12:56.780 That's when the security just rushed him.

00:12:58.260 And it's like, I kept asking him, why?

00:13:00.380 Why are you kicking him out for Israel?

00:13:01.920 What was their answer?

00:13:02.820 They kept saying, oh, we don't know, it's higher ups.

00:13:04.760 Well, can you bring a higher up?

00:13:05.600 So we talked to them.

00:13:06.400 Yeah, and they said no.

00:13:07.300 No, exactly.

00:13:08.420 It's higher ups.

00:13:09.160 Well, how high up?

00:13:10.360 Well, let's bring a higher up.

00:13:11.360 So I want to have a discussion with the higher ups of why.

00:13:12.960 Well, what rules has he broken?

00:13:14.340 I mean, I don't know the exact history.

00:13:15.700 But as far as I know, he's broken no rules other than being anti-Israel.

00:13:19.280 It's not even a rule.

00:13:20.620 Yeah, it's just crazy in the conservative movement now.

00:13:22.940 You have to bow to Israel.

00:13:24.300 And I don't like that.

00:13:24.900 I'm America first.

00:13:26.540 I'm a huge America first patriot.

00:13:28.260 And that's why I really like Nick's movement.

00:13:30.440 We both love our countries.

00:13:31.820 There may be small things we disagree upon.

00:13:33.540 But the biggest thing is we both love America and we both want to make it better.

00:13:37.640 And, you know, I think Nick's also much more open-minded than people think

00:13:40.940 and willing to have discussions, you know, obviously privately.

00:13:43.840 But I feel like I can call Nick and have a private discussion over issues we disagree

00:13:46.760 with no bad blood.

00:13:49.100 And I think that's why he's going to be able to grow and be a serious contender in the future.

00:13:54.080 And they obviously see him as a threat.

00:13:55.400 But, you know, it's very, very clear that I give you the one blackball person.

00:13:59.560 I'm usually the blackball person.

00:14:01.240 But we were both allowed that.

00:14:02.580 Yeah, we're usually.

00:14:03.240 I have the pass right here.

00:14:04.340 I was allowed.

00:14:04.800 I waltzed right in this place.

00:14:07.180 The reason that he still canceled the blackball is because there's very clearly a strong...

00:14:11.700 But they can't suppress it anymore.

00:14:12.860 When you talk about the biggest anti-Israel movement in America, it's by and large the America

00:14:17.440 first, Nick Fuentes movement.

00:14:18.940 So it's only going to keep growing.

00:14:21.200 Like, the more they try to keep, like, pushing it away or shoving it under the rug, the more

00:14:24.740 it's going to grow and people are going to gravitate towards that.

00:14:26.940 Yeah, someone higher up after the whole ordeal, when I was coming back in, when they talked

00:14:30.740 to me, trying to say it wasn't going to cause any more problems.

00:14:32.840 And I was debating with him.

00:14:34.720 And he said to me, you guys are winning the information war.

00:14:37.760 And he goes, I actually agree with what you're saying.

00:14:39.980 I can't say it publicly.

00:14:41.060 I'm like, well, how are you?

00:14:41.820 Who said that?

00:14:42.620 I'm not going to say who.

00:14:43.500 One of the guys.

00:14:43.920 I'm like, well, you're being a coward if you're not going to go and say this stuff publicly.

00:14:47.040 It's like, if you say you agree with a lot of...

00:14:49.440 You can't agree 100% of it.

00:14:51.200 But he says he agrees with a large part of your movement.

00:14:53.220 And you guys are winning the information war right now.

00:14:55.640 They're going to have to face it, you know?

00:14:57.880 What do you think about Dan Bilzerian being really public about hating Israel?

00:15:01.680 I think he tweeted, fuck Israel, straight up.

00:15:03.800 So we've known Dan Bilzerian for some time.

00:15:05.280 Yeah, for years.

00:15:06.100 You've known him for much longer than me.

00:15:07.620 But we've hung out with him.

00:15:08.820 And we've had some conversations.

00:15:10.160 I didn't ever publicize that because you don't want to...

00:15:12.560 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:12.840 That's the biggest change in someone's reputation.

00:15:15.260 And then even then, I don't even want to be public about...

00:15:17.460 But I know some people that said, like, oh, yeah, Dan can't come to these clubs anymore.

00:15:20.880 Really?

00:15:21.500 Dan can't go to this place anymore.

00:15:23.120 He has people trying to...

00:15:24.260 He has a big company at night.

00:15:26.340 He has distributors trying to cancel them already.

00:15:28.420 So he's already probably lost millions of dollars.

00:15:31.080 And it's funny, though, because Dan...

00:15:32.560 I would never over-encourage anyone to talk about Israel

00:15:35.220 because I realize, you know, we both know there's major consequences.

00:15:38.740 Like, you've probably lost some of your channels.

00:15:40.300 I've actually surprisingly not lost much money.

00:15:42.500 I've had a lot of people after me, though, have canceled.

00:15:44.820 Anyone I work with get hundreds of emails.

00:15:46.660 But everyone I work with, luckily, doesn't care.

00:15:48.380 I've got to go fuck yourself, including a Jewish guy I work with a lot.

00:15:51.660 You seem a little disappointed that you're not working...

00:15:53.320 Like, there's a little...

00:15:54.080 I'm extremely happy about it.

00:15:55.240 I'm not working.

00:15:55.820 I'm just...

00:15:56.140 I'm just surprised.

00:15:56.820 I'm extremely...

00:15:58.220 I managed to get one of my seminars canceled.

00:16:00.080 That's the only thing that's been canceled.

00:16:01.400 Was your MMA seminar?

00:16:02.380 Yeah.

00:16:02.740 I was doing it with Nate Diaz, too, which I didn't want to get him involved in my politics.

00:16:06.320 I wasn't happy about that, but I got...

00:16:07.920 I was able to book another one in a couple hours, but I just didn't like it because I was doing it...

00:16:11.660 You're involved in politics with Nate Diaz.

00:16:13.100 Yeah, Nate Diaz publicly stays out of politics, so...

00:16:15.680 Yeah.

00:16:16.520 Yeah, he just sticks to the west side, east side politics.

00:16:18.100 Yeah, and he obviously might have some political opinions, but he's not.

00:16:20.600 There's no...

00:16:20.980 He doesn't publicly speak up, so I think I don't want to bring him into my political battle.

00:16:26.100 Yeah.

00:16:26.720 And I honestly understand why guys don't speak up politics publicly.

00:16:31.040 Why?

00:16:32.420 They'll try to be...

00:16:33.300 You're going to have half people that say, hey, you...

00:16:35.200 And in particular things, they'll try to cancel you.

00:16:36.980 Like, it's cost you a lot of money.

00:16:38.360 You probably lost millions of dollars between losing your YouTube, your TikTok, and I think

00:16:44.180 how much money you could have lost.

00:16:44.820 My Instagram, Facebook.

00:16:46.520 I got Twitch back recently, but what do you think about...

00:16:49.720 Why did Dan Blasier go public about his beliefs now?

00:16:52.180 Because he lost so much.

00:16:53.340 Like, you said on Twitter, they said he lost, like, hundreds of millions.

00:16:56.260 You know, why choose now to go and speak about that?

00:16:58.180 I think because he's just a true patriot.

00:16:59.840 It's really bothering him watching kids get killed every day and how AIPAC controls our government.

00:17:05.420 And he's also a brave guy.

00:17:08.080 So being a brave guy, sitting there, not speaking, but he knew it wasn't costing a lot of money.

00:17:12.640 You know, he has a Jewish business partner, attorneys.

00:17:15.140 They were all saying, don't you dare speak up.

00:17:16.900 Don't you dare speak up.

00:17:18.400 And I said, oh, you should maybe say something.

00:17:20.320 The funny thing is, I look, he just, like, went off for, like, three days.

00:17:23.540 I'm like, well, I didn't quite mean that much, Dan.

00:17:26.000 But I'm glad he did.

00:17:27.580 You know, it's who he is.

00:17:29.380 He's the kind of person that once he starts going, it's hard to stop.

00:17:32.020 He tweeted about dancing Israelis back in 2011, right?

00:17:35.340 He's known for a while.

00:17:36.560 You know, everyone, it's funny because everyone's like, oh, Dan, Jake's teaching Dan stuff.

00:17:40.520 And I'm like, that's not the case at all.

00:17:42.160 I'm not teaching Dan much.

00:17:43.620 Dan's, uh, Dan's been well aware.

00:17:45.580 He's just publicly not, you know, speaking of things.

00:17:47.620 But it was funny because, like, he tweeted that back in 2011, but at the same time, he's still getting Hollywood movies.

00:17:52.320 There's that one movie that popped up on Twitter where he, like, punched Jonah Hill in the face.

00:17:56.620 Jonah Hill's belt scene.

00:17:57.540 He, it's like, how is he getting all those roles and stuff, but still?

00:18:00.980 He's probably tweeting.

00:18:01.700 He didn't go that viral.

00:18:02.860 Most people didn't.

00:18:03.720 They didn't know the Israeli.

00:18:04.940 It was so early, no one knew about it.

00:18:06.360 That's how crazy that Dan knew about it then, the Israeli connection.

00:18:09.580 I didn't know about the Israeli connection back then.

00:18:11.220 Did you?

00:18:11.900 No.

00:18:12.820 But what, what, what woke you up to all this stuff?

00:18:15.380 It was kind of a slow process.

00:18:17.100 Like, when I visited Israel, I saw how they treated them.

00:18:19.920 What year was that?

00:18:21.060 Like, 2014 or 15.

00:18:22.820 But I still didn't do a deep research.

00:18:25.280 But then I could see that, wow, that there were special roles for Jews.

00:18:28.260 Like, black people, he criticized white people if they can't criticize Jews.

00:18:31.460 Kanye's an example of that.

00:18:33.200 And then I got into a big feud with ADL, the band ADL, the, like, me and Keith Woods and a couple other people started.

00:18:39.480 And I went out of them because they're extremely anti-white and because of their gross censorship.

00:18:46.520 But during that, I started doing digging.

00:18:48.560 And I started seeing all the spy operations they were doing with the FBI, how they trained the FBI, how they're connected with their government, how they were formed, how they had all the ties with the Jewish mafia.

00:18:59.220 The Jewish mafia, they're not in prison.

00:19:01.980 And, you know, all the Hollywood, they've been movies about the Italian mafia, but the head, head boss of Meyer Lansky was Jewish.

00:19:08.120 Most people don't know this.

00:19:09.480 And then I started seeing, like, connections, you know, maybe the mob killed JFK.

00:19:14.460 And then you look, oh, it's the Jewish mob.

00:19:16.320 I mean, I'm not saying for sure they did, but you started seeing connections like that.

00:19:20.240 So I started paying attention.

00:19:21.900 And then October 7th did, and it was just a little bit of what they were doing.

00:19:25.120 And I started digging and digging.

00:19:26.580 And once you start seeing this stuff, it's just, you can't stop seeing it.

00:19:30.580 There's still stuff about October 7th that the information is coming out because you see, like, the back and forth.

00:19:37.020 A lot of Zionists will, even, like, Jews will be like, well, what about the hostages?

00:19:40.920 They need to release the hostages as a way to counterbalance the fact that 30,000 civilians are getting killed in Gaza.

00:19:46.900 But then the hostages were actually, they were offered up to Israel.

00:19:51.180 Hamas offered to give back to only 200 hostages.

00:19:54.580 200.

00:19:55.080 And then Israel refused because they always wanted to go to war.

00:19:58.600 And that was just justification.

00:19:59.840 And then you look back at October 7th and you're like, well, was this actually, was this really 9-11 part 2?

00:20:05.480 Or was this staged?

00:20:06.640 Was this just a justification to go and commit genocide?

00:20:09.400 Yeah, I mean, I haven't had a ton of research in that, but it's funny, except Charlie Kirk mentioned this.

00:20:14.080 I think a lot of it was, I think a lot of it happened.

00:20:17.000 Because I've been to Israel, they have the most secure security fences in the world that America pays for.

00:20:22.500 So they were able to get through.

00:20:23.860 And I think there was no military response for several hours.

00:20:26.480 Israel is tiny.

00:20:27.860 And military is everywhere.

00:20:29.080 So it makes no sense.

00:20:30.580 And if you also look, we don't know the percentages, but tons of them were killed by Apache helicopters along with tanks.

00:20:37.960 So out of those 1,200 kilos, how many were killed by...

00:20:40.840 Oh, listen to this, Nick.

00:20:41.820 Nick, how far are you, bro?

00:20:43.040 Sorry, I missed your call.

00:20:45.060 Hey, no, it's okay.

00:20:46.120 I'm on my way over there.

00:20:47.400 Do you not have an ETA?

00:20:50.020 Yeah, 10 minutes.

00:20:51.420 Okay.

00:20:52.280 Someone's downstairs.

00:20:53.020 They can let you up.

00:20:54.700 Okay.

00:20:55.300 All right.

00:20:55.560 All right, good.

00:20:58.280 Yeah, to be fair, I guess Nick's had an extremely, extremely busy day.

00:21:02.140 Yeah.

00:21:02.340 Which is why he's an hour late.

00:21:03.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:04.800 We were supposed to start getting it warmed up.

00:21:06.580 You know, we kept joking around like the number one, ADL calls him a white nationalist and he's on extreme black people time.

00:21:14.100 There you go.

00:21:14.780 They're happy.

00:21:15.380 So, okay, he's coming through.

00:21:17.640 What about guys like, I want to ask you about this and you don't have to answer it because I know some people don't want to get into politics.

00:21:23.260 But your friend, Sean Strickland, he's a pretty vocal political guy.

00:21:27.700 You know, he's very vocal about the LGBT movement, about Trump and about this.

00:21:31.600 And he says he's America first, but I'm like, I'm very confused because he follows you on Twitter.

00:21:35.720 He must know about the evils of Israel and I never see him speak about that.

00:21:39.180 Is that because of the UFC?

00:21:40.820 Is that because he doesn't believe in it?

00:21:42.220 What do you think the reason is?

00:21:42.920 I need to have some private conversations.

00:21:44.520 I haven't had those conversations with him yet.

00:21:46.380 I mean, obviously, I probably wouldn't share them if I had, but I actually haven't had good private conversations with Sean about Israel.

00:21:50.780 I've had a couple of really quick ones of people around.

00:21:52.700 I know originally he was pro-Israel.

00:21:54.900 I think he shifted a little the opposite way, but I would love to sit down with him for an hour and have a good talk.

00:22:01.180 Yeah, it's really confusing to me, especially the way he talks about my friend Bilal Muhammad.

00:22:05.540 He's like, I'm telling Bilal Muhammad to go fight for Israel because he's saying to go fight for Palestine.

00:22:11.220 To get bombed and get killed.

00:22:12.460 Otherwise, I go to Palestine.

00:22:13.500 What, to just get massacred?

00:22:15.040 It makes no sense logically.

00:22:17.000 He also belongs to an American.

00:22:18.660 I mean, he has Palestinian blood, but it's just a silly thing.

00:22:21.860 American citizen, exactly.

00:22:22.960 And why would he go there and get bombs dropped on him that America made?

00:22:25.980 I like Sean.

00:22:27.080 I would love to have a good private conversation with him.

00:22:29.540 And, you know, maybe Bryce Mitchell, too, because I know Bryce, I don't want to share too much of Bryce's opinion.

00:22:34.480 I think he shared a little bit publicly, but he's definitely very, very well aware of what's going on.

00:22:39.240 So the three of us sit down and work on Sean.

00:22:42.980 Sean's a stubborn guy.

00:22:44.140 I mean, so you fought Sean kind of.

00:22:46.800 Yeah.

00:22:47.180 He's an extremely difficult person.

00:22:49.720 Yeah, he didn't even.

00:22:50.340 Like, I was trying to tell him when he was fighting you.

00:22:51.940 I'm like, bro, can you just, like, hit him with body shots and, like, knock him out?

00:22:54.800 And he said, he said, knock you out with headshots.

00:22:56.740 Yeah.

00:22:57.120 But props for you for taking that, not going down.

00:23:00.480 You never complained about that.

00:23:02.020 I think you gained a lot of people's respect the way you took a beating like a man.

00:23:04.940 And part of the reason I did that was, like, so that we could have a podcast.

00:23:07.780 And I wanted to go and speak about this issue with him.

00:23:09.600 The funny thing is, like, I've heard him speak, I've heard Sean Stricker speak on Joe Rogan about, like, he used to be a neo-Nazi.

00:23:14.400 Yeah.

00:23:14.540 Which is, like, he's not unaware.

00:23:16.640 Like, if he's a neo-Nazi, he must have had conversations about Israel.

00:23:19.760 I'm wondering where that flipped.

00:23:20.940 I am curious to see what he thinks about, you know, the Jewish power in America.

00:23:25.800 Yeah.

00:23:25.960 Obviously, there's a lot of UFC fighters that have been speaking up about this quite a bit.

00:23:31.400 Like, even Habib was speaking to Trump.

00:23:33.220 I don't know if you saw that moment.

00:23:34.280 Yeah, he comes home to his face, like, hey, are we in the war?

00:23:36.820 Or the war.

00:23:37.560 Like, Habib said it to Trump's face.

00:23:39.060 That's not the war.

00:23:39.720 And Trump's like, yeah, I will.

00:23:41.240 But then he went on Logan Paul's podcast, and he's, like, insinuating that Habib was talking about the Ukraine.

00:23:46.700 Oh, my God.

00:23:47.420 About the Ukraine-Russia war.

00:23:48.740 It's like, he clearly...

00:23:49.620 What do you think, Habib, what war was he talking about?

00:23:51.720 Like, well, I can understand why he's in that.

00:23:53.760 Why is he Russian?

00:23:54.060 Because he is Russian, but...

00:23:55.100 Yeah, but he was talking about the Palestinians.

00:23:56.220 Yeah, let's be real.

00:23:56.940 Like, Habib is more of a...

00:23:58.480 Publicly, Habib is the Muslim.

00:24:00.620 And then he's Russian second.

00:24:02.060 He's Muslim first, Russian second.

00:24:03.580 Muslim first, Russian second.

00:24:04.560 So what's the Muslim war?

00:24:05.720 It's obviously Israel-Palestine.

00:24:07.120 So Trump was either feigning ignorance, or he was actually ignorant.

00:24:11.680 But let's be real.

00:24:12.500 No, it sucks, because I mean, I've been a long-time Trump supporter.

00:24:15.000 I don't like some of the stuff he did during COVID, so it sucks seeing just how pro-Israel he is.

00:24:19.620 And he just took $100 million from that Alderson, who's basically...

00:24:23.000 They're an American citizen, but it's all money for Israel.

00:24:26.120 You know, when the girl's husband died, they flew him over and buried him in Israel.

00:24:30.380 The guy is such a pro-Israel, the worst spy in American history, this guy Jonathan Poehler.

00:24:34.860 He stole all America's secrets.

00:24:36.840 You know, so he sold it to Russia and stuff.

00:24:38.720 As soon as he got out of prison, Alderson went, picked him up, and flew him to Israel in his private jet,

00:24:42.460 where Netanyahu welcomed him personally.

00:24:45.880 So how are these guys our allies when they're spying on us, and they're treated like heroes?

00:24:49.220 So it's unfortunate.

00:24:50.880 And again, Trump's a guy I would love to have a private conversation with.

00:24:54.000 Again, me and Dan Bezeria were invited to his rally last week, but it was...

00:24:57.820 We were thinking about going, but we were supposed to be there.

00:24:59.920 We slept in, because the rally started at...

00:25:02.140 We were supposed to be there at 10 a.m.

00:25:03.680 Yeah.

00:25:03.980 We wanted to have a...

00:25:04.620 And it's hard to have a conversation there, too, because you can't just go out...

00:25:07.220 It's too loud.

00:25:07.560 Well, you have to start it out with a normal conversation, and then you can't immediately ask him...

00:25:12.960 Or he's going to go on defense, but Dan met him a couple times, so it would have been great if we had a chance to do that.

00:25:17.560 Yeah, I remember those pictures on his Instagram.

00:25:19.580 Yeah, and I would love to do that if we had a chance to have a private conversation with him,

00:25:22.260 but I just felt like the rally wasn't the spot for it.

00:25:24.280 Absolutely not.

00:25:24.780 He's just in and out.

00:25:25.640 There's so many people.

00:25:26.400 He wants to give the speech.

00:25:27.900 And even then, there's a clip of Trump saying, pretty recently, he's like,

00:25:31.680 the only reason we fight wars in the Middle East is to defend Israel.

00:25:34.560 And then the MAGA crowd, they're like, woo!

00:25:37.240 So many of these people, and I think Strickland is the forefront of, like,

00:25:40.780 if we get those Make America Great Again people to flip and realize, like,

00:25:44.680 being America first is being anti-Israel, then you could change the course of American politics overnight.

00:25:50.840 I know some people might see this stream and think that we're being repetitive,

00:25:53.680 but I really think we're on the crux of something, really a huge shift in American politics forever.

00:25:58.620 I agree.

00:25:59.240 I'm not putting myself on the line and talking about Israel all the time for no reason.

00:26:02.540 I think we can make real change.

00:26:03.800 And I think we've already had made them.

00:26:05.980 We haven't made it actually changed the country, but we've made an actual change to how people view it.

00:26:09.740 Like I said, after Nick got kicked out today, one of the high guys at Turning Point said,

00:26:15.120 he agrees with a lot of my points, and we're winning the information war.

00:26:18.580 So it shows you we're winning that.

00:26:20.360 But it's going to be a multi-year battle, people need to realize.

00:26:23.860 We're not in here for a few months and things are going to be changed.

00:26:26.840 We need to slowly disband APAC, ADL.

00:26:29.880 And it goes deeper, too.

00:26:30.820 You know, all the mega-donors are all Zionists.

00:26:33.280 It's going to be a tough fight, but we just need to turn America against Israel.

00:26:38.220 Honestly, if we just stopped giving them any foreign aid, that would be a huge start.

00:26:41.980 Like, why do we give them billions of dollars?

00:26:43.820 It's $26 billion right now.

00:26:45.440 And I saw a rumor was saying, like, oh, $400 million went to Palestine.

00:26:49.200 Like, $26 billion went to Israel.

00:26:52.860 And where is that money?

00:26:54.880 Where's the $400 million going for Palestine?

00:26:56.440 Because it's not visible.

00:26:57.180 Yeah, and it's also going to give some food to dying kids.

00:27:00.060 And then Israel takes the food, and then, yeah, it's just...

00:27:02.980 It's terrible, man.

00:27:03.860 I don't know if you are, too, but I'm on a lot of those Telegram channels.

00:27:06.580 And, you know, looking at them, like, every day is just disgusting.

00:27:09.060 All the babies you see dead.

00:27:10.420 I can't look at that.

00:27:12.180 I'm on one of the Israeli channels.

00:27:13.980 That one is just disturbing because they're mocking.

00:27:16.060 I can't go on there very often because they're showing the worst pictures of laughing about dead babies.

00:27:21.260 But that's the most disturbing of them all, man.

00:27:23.200 When I go on there, it puts me in such a bad mood, so I don't check that one very often.

00:27:25.720 It's really inhuman.

00:27:27.280 I can't believe, like, you would go to these things and look at that.

00:27:30.240 What compels you to do that?

00:27:31.400 Yeah, just to see how these people's minds work and just to see that there's hundreds of other people in these things laughing at the kids, they say, and making jokes about, like...

00:27:39.280 They don't care about Americans, either.

00:27:40.440 There were tons of jokes when they killed the aid workers.

00:27:43.000 You know, they said it was an accident.

00:27:43.900 They thought it was great.

00:27:45.640 So you see the demonic people.

00:27:47.580 And, again, it's obviously not all Jews.

00:27:49.320 That's the one thing people need to...

00:27:51.180 Sometimes people go too far where they're like, oh, you know, screw the Jews, that.

00:27:54.880 I have a bunch of good Jewish friends still.

00:27:56.420 I work with Jews.

00:27:57.760 So it becomes a fine line.

00:28:00.780 But as a whole, when I talk about my Jewish friends, I realize a lot of them are as loyal or more loyal to Israel still, living in America.

00:28:07.660 And that does become a problem.

00:28:08.660 Because they know they have the birthright.

00:28:09.720 They can return whenever.

00:28:11.020 And if they commit serious crimes, they know they have a safe haven over there.

00:28:14.900 It makes, you know...

00:28:16.780 It's good.

00:28:17.240 If you had, like, a get-out-of-jail-free card, like, whatever you want, like a reset.

00:28:21.540 It's literally a life reset.

00:28:22.960 You could change your name if you really want to.

00:28:25.060 And then just live a good life in a different place.

00:28:27.480 Like, I can't imagine what that would be like to have that, like, card in my back pocket at all times.

00:28:32.660 Well, the worst part is they can go there and steal a Palestinian's house.

00:28:35.280 They don't have to have any money.

00:28:36.940 All right.

00:28:38.020 I think a lot of it, the Jewish people from a young age, they've really been in doctrine.

00:28:42.400 They're a victim.

00:28:43.100 Everyone's against them.

00:28:43.980 They've done a great job of that.

00:28:45.260 So a lot of them feel, like, entitled.

00:28:47.180 It's a very racist, not all of them, of course, but it's a very racist thing, too.

00:28:50.420 You know, God's chosen people.

00:28:52.240 I think they say one of their fingernails is worth, like, a thousand non-Jewish lives.

00:28:55.880 When you start reading some of the stuff in the Talmud, it's pretty nasty and crazy.

00:28:59.860 Yeah.

00:29:00.260 I tried to have a conversation.

00:29:01.740 I don't know if you've seen the one-minute podcast.

00:29:02.940 I was speaking to some of the Hasidic Jews.

00:29:05.500 Those are the tunnel ones, I guess.

00:29:06.900 The tall Jews.

00:29:07.560 That's what Stu's called them.

00:29:08.520 He's like, I'm talking about this.

00:29:09.900 He's like, oh, the one's popping out of the sewers.

00:29:12.460 And he was saying that a lot of them don't believe in some of the, like, there's different

00:29:16.720 sects.

00:29:17.160 Some of them believe in the Talmud, some don't.

00:29:19.560 And then they're saying, like, the Talmud is a series of debates and conversations.

00:29:23.020 And then you can't really call it scripture.

00:29:25.360 But it seems like they want to keep it secretive.

00:29:27.500 It's highly manipulative.

00:29:28.620 They're very good at spinning false narratives.

00:29:30.680 This is why I say you always want a Jew attorney.

00:29:32.640 Yeah.

00:29:33.100 No, they're good at controlling the media and controlling the narrative and being lawyers.

00:29:36.540 Yeah, you know.

00:29:36.940 Yeah, you can.

00:29:37.580 I mean, it's not anti-Semitic to point out things that are real, you know.

00:29:40.360 It's anti-Semitic to hate Jews.

00:29:41.720 But if you start to realize, like, the media is crazy.

00:29:44.100 I remember a few months ago, I went down the rabbit hole.

00:29:46.360 I only looked at the conservative media.

00:29:47.780 But I was curious.

00:29:49.140 And I started looking at all the organizations.

00:29:50.460 They're not just owned by Jews.

00:29:52.540 Most of them are owned by, like, direct connections to Israeli intelligence and Mossad.

00:29:57.500 Example, recently, just yesterday, I was talking to an old co-worker of Ben Shapiro from, what's his name, Charles Johnson.

00:30:03.660 He worked with Ben Shapiro.

00:30:04.840 Did he learn?

00:30:05.780 He worked at him Breitbart.

00:30:07.380 Okay.

00:30:07.720 He said he was getting direct reports every day from Israeli intelligence of, like, what's report, how to report.

00:30:15.760 And, you know, it's possible this guy could be making this up if he doesn't like him.

00:30:18.060 But it seemed legit to me.

00:30:19.780 This is pretty crazy.

00:30:20.800 And then Breitbart, I looked that up, they were founded in Israel.

00:30:23.900 The guy was in Israel.

00:30:24.920 Really?

00:30:25.340 He decided to found a new intelligence.

00:30:26.660 One of the biggest American conservative media organizations founded in Israel?

00:30:30.280 Yep.

00:30:30.680 Netanyahu helped him fund it and stuff.

00:30:32.860 So it's like it's pretty, not Netanyahu, but funding from Israel.

00:30:36.320 And then you look at PragerU, run by a Jew, but then you look at the CEO, it's an Israeli intelligence agent.

00:30:42.240 So I started, I went down that rabbit hole one day.

00:30:44.360 I'm like, damn.

00:30:44.980 And even most of, like, the non-Jewish-owned conservative media is, like, Christian Zionists or where some of the money comes from.

00:30:51.800 So you're like, wow, these people have completely taken over our media.

00:30:54.900 I haven't gone down the liberal media rabbit hole, but I know.

00:30:58.560 Probably.

00:30:59.040 Well, I've just seen who owns them, and it's all the Jewish people that own them.

00:31:01.480 Oh, yeah, the social media organizations, at least, like, Susan Wichita or Zuckerberg, you know how it is.

00:31:07.040 That's probably why I'm banned off of most of them.

00:31:09.820 But what do you think your role is specifically in this movement?

00:31:12.880 It seems like you're going to be a critical, if not already a critical piece in this game of shifting the conversation of American politics.

00:31:19.900 What do you think your role is?

00:31:20.800 Because I think a lot of people misunderstand or don't even know how educated you are on this.

00:31:25.400 Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how I can help the most.

00:31:27.660 You know, I think, you know, step one was to wake people up, which I've been trying to do on Twitter.

00:31:31.900 I think I'm going to start a podcast, trying to, you know, I'm still trying to get more educated.

00:31:35.400 I'm trying to, you know, have a great network, so I try to bring people together.

00:31:38.660 You know, I've had, you know, Dan and Nick meet, for example, and, like, you know, I try connecting people together, which is, it's good to me.

00:31:46.160 We've got to learn to cross these groups over.

00:31:48.820 We might not agree on everything, but if we can agree on getting Israel's power away, we can worry about our other differences later.

00:31:55.060 Which is why I think you're important in this, because a lot of the other guys in this space, your age, they have a lot of ego when it comes to this, which is just, like, you have to let go of that.

00:32:04.360 Like, even though Nick is younger than you, and so, like, you understand, like, this guy is probably going to be the guy.

00:32:08.640 He's extremely, yeah.

00:32:09.660 He's an amazing talker.

00:32:10.880 I think he's got a lot of potential.

00:32:11.860 I think there might be a few things that need to change, but I think Nick is smart enough that he'll be able to do that.

00:32:17.220 Like I said, he's very open to, in my opinion, you know, I feel like I could call Nick and give him something I don't like, and he's going to take it without getting mad.

00:32:24.740 Obviously, you've got to work things in the right way, but he'll listen, and might not do the change, but he'll at least listen to what I say.

00:32:32.120 So I feel like he's extremely bright.

00:32:33.920 Is he, like, 25 or something?

00:32:35.200 Yeah, we're the same age.

00:32:35.980 It's crazy how bright, yeah, I'm going to be too.

00:32:38.420 It's crazy, like, how bright, though, at that, like, young age and how big a following he's already built.

00:32:43.360 And being banned everywhere.

00:32:44.460 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:46.020 But if he wants to go to the next level, he's going to have to make some small changes.

00:32:49.460 What do you disagree with?

00:32:50.520 So we were speaking about this in the car, but I don't know how public you want to be about that.

00:32:53.040 What do you think the major disagreements you have on?

00:32:56.020 There's nothing major.

00:32:57.380 I mean, I'm not a, I actually have a ton of respect for religion.

00:33:00.080 I used to be atheist, and, you know, I don't want to live in a Christian theocracy or whatever.

00:33:04.120 I mean, you're Muslim, but, I mean, I might become religious at some point.

00:33:07.540 It's hard to make that judge, because I do think religion's great for society.

00:33:11.680 But I don't think, I think, you know, in Islam and Christianity, you can live side by side.

00:33:15.860 I don't think it should be like, oh, this religion's better.

00:33:18.240 So we don't have, like, major disagreements.

00:33:20.260 It's just, like, small things, you know, like, you know, he, you know, I don't anymore, but when I was younger, I slept around a lot.

00:33:25.320 I wouldn't encourage that lifestyle, but I also don't think for men this is harmful.

00:33:29.660 I think for women it's extremely harmful.

00:33:31.380 I know it's hypocritical, but it's just the reality of things.

00:33:35.760 So you don't want to live in a, you don't agree with, like, the Catholic theocracy?

00:33:40.840 I don't really have an issue with him pushing, you know, Christianity.

00:33:44.660 I just don't think the one would want to be, I don't know how strict he wants a country with that kind of stuff.

00:33:48.240 So I guess we haven't really had that debate.

00:33:49.640 He really, he essentially wants a Catholic monarchy.

00:33:53.080 Like, he wants, like, a Francisco Franco of Spain, just like a Catholic ruler, where the entire government is Catholic and that nobody else is allowed.

00:34:00.120 Yeah, it wouldn't be my primary thing, but I'll take that if we have right now with this tranny, with my kids getting taught to be a tranny.

00:34:05.640 And, you know, it sounds better than the alternative.

00:34:07.420 Yeah, the way I look at it is me and Nick can work together now.

00:34:11.660 And if we have differences, we can sort those out, you know, down the line.

00:34:14.560 And that's more important to focus on the stuff, especially just the anti-Israel.

00:34:18.700 There's no reason for us to sit there and argue over our disagreements.

00:34:21.580 I don't think it benefits anything.

00:34:23.400 Those aren't really real issues that are changing the country right now.

00:34:26.580 Now, maybe in 10 years, those could be real issues that are changing the country.

00:34:30.220 We could have those debates or problems, but right now we're nowhere near there.

00:34:33.740 We're nowhere near America being a Christian theocracy.

00:34:36.020 Like, Christianity is just being, like, wiped out, not respected.

00:34:39.280 They, you know, they mock Jesus.

00:34:41.720 They, you know, I think it's terrible how they treat Christians.

00:34:44.560 They spit on Christians in Israel.

00:34:45.760 Yeah, they spit on them in Israel.

00:34:46.880 But even in America, they, like, mock them and mock Jesus.

00:34:49.600 And it's, uh, Muslims stick up for Jesus more than Christians.

00:34:53.460 Have you noticed that?

00:34:54.140 They absolutely do.

00:34:55.200 You know, I've noticed that Muslims get more offended when they mock Jesus than Christians do.

00:34:59.200 I was just in Lisbon, Portugal, which is a Christian nation.

00:35:02.780 And they have, uh, Jesus statues everywhere.

00:35:05.540 Like, giant, like, the same ones that they have in Brazil.

00:35:07.600 And we were standing, we were walking outside of the church.

00:35:09.820 Like, it's a giant, like, beautiful church.

00:35:11.280 And it has a, like, the, and then in front of the church,

00:35:14.560 and with everybody, it's, like, hundreds of people walking by.

00:35:17.340 There's a gay dude twerking and dancing.

00:35:18.940 And he's, like, there's a stop sign, and he's using it as a stripper pole.

00:35:21.920 Like, with the church behind him.

00:35:23.340 Literally, like, on the church steps.

00:35:25.620 Yes.

00:35:25.980 No one there doing anything about it.

00:35:27.220 Yeah, it's just so disrespectful.

00:35:28.500 You know, not religions.

00:35:29.340 Like, you have to respect religion.

00:35:30.600 Just to disrespect it like that is so,

00:35:33.020 it's just unacceptable for a society when America was built on Christianity.

00:35:36.540 Or a lot, a large part of it was.

00:35:38.280 Yeah, you have to, it's better.

00:35:40.020 Well, it is.

00:35:40.620 This was, this was built as a Christian nation.

00:35:42.920 So, absolutely, we would need to.

00:35:44.400 But how has your, your individual, you know, religious journey been since the last time?

00:35:48.640 I haven't seen you in a while, huh?

00:35:49.620 Yeah, like, I just, you know, I grew up kind of atheist,

00:35:52.360 and then kind of slowly turned into agnostic.

00:35:54.300 And I just kind of slowly started believing in God.

00:35:56.280 When you look at it all, everything's just way too perfectly aligned.

00:35:59.100 Everything fits together.

00:36:00.100 There's just no way it's random.

00:36:02.020 And, you know, I remember, well, one day I remember going, I was in Istanbul,

00:36:07.740 and there's one of the most magnificent churches and mosques, side by side.

00:36:10.880 And I walk in these two buildings.

00:36:12.020 And I'm like, man, these buildings are both, you can just feel the presence of God when you walk in.

00:36:15.580 And really, they're both built for the same God, Christianity and Islam.

00:36:19.300 And churches.

00:36:19.680 But they worship the same God, yeah.

00:36:20.760 And you walk in, you're like, man, I can just feel the presence of God in these buildings.

00:36:23.560 Like, how are these buildings, look at this amazing stuff people used to build for God,

00:36:27.360 they're not doing anymore.

00:36:28.360 Or, and I see kind of the, a lot of the decay in America and the West is because they don't have the same faith

00:36:34.200 that, like, Muslims have in the, in the, you've been, you've been out there a bunch recently, right?

00:36:39.300 So you see how, like, serious they take the religion, how respectful they are, and how clean the cultures are.

00:36:44.940 That's why, you know, in America, I don't want to live in a Christian theocracy,

00:36:48.420 but maybe it would be better than what we have now.

00:36:50.680 It's better than the alternative for sure.

00:36:52.700 Like, I don't know how strict it would, I don't know what that would look like,

00:36:55.700 and maybe we can ask that, I think he's going to show up shortly.

00:36:57.340 Yeah, people always use that, it's like, how to divide people, they're like,

00:36:59.940 what do you want to see a Christian democracy?

00:37:01.340 I'm like, I'll worry about that later, and maybe it's better than what we have now.

00:37:03.980 Maybe we'll talk about it when he gets here, I'm curious.

00:37:05.780 Yeah, and then again, like, if you think about it, a politician has a lot of promises and a lot of ideas,

00:37:11.520 but like, let's be, like, how much of what Trump said, like, we're going to build a giant wall

00:37:15.120 and keep it all out, like, it was mostly like a, like a big fence.

00:37:17.840 Or like, it'll, it'll say, we're going to lock her up and all that stuff.

00:37:20.340 And it's like, these ideas are more to unify people rather than to be completely black and white.

00:37:26.180 Exactly.

00:37:27.660 Yeah, and it's still young, I'm sure his opinions are changing and stuff too.

00:37:30.300 He might, you know, who knows if I'm a president, but if he is, he's probably going to have to look,

00:37:33.760 what can I realistically do?

00:37:35.020 What are the real things I can do?

00:37:36.620 The first thing is to freaking get rid of the Israeli lobby.

00:37:40.200 We strongly agree on all this.

00:37:41.700 The other stuff's going to be a little trickier than you're done.

00:37:43.140 Yeah, and that's, that's got to happen first.

00:37:45.480 Like, just banning, you got to ban AIPAC, and then just ban anybody with a dual allegiance.

00:37:50.580 You got to get them out.

00:37:51.660 Yeah, the dual citizens one gets really hard because if he gets the Constitution to say Jews can't be in government,

00:37:58.160 then I start talking to a lot of my Jewish friends, and I realize they're just as loyal to Israel as they are to America.

00:38:03.000 So it's kind of crazy when you have someone high up in our government that are just as loyal to a small foreign nation.

00:38:08.320 Which is Charlie Kirk.

00:38:10.320 Yeah, he's not even Jewish, is he?

00:38:11.680 No, he's not.

00:38:12.180 Yeah, he just takes that Jew money.

00:38:13.920 Yeah, I mean, it must be really good.

00:38:16.100 It must, they must pay well.

00:38:17.760 Yeah, well, like a large percentage of Biden's cabinet's Jewish, and you see things.

00:38:21.120 Almost all of it, like 90%.

00:38:22.320 Like the guy that owns Homeland Security, I can't think of his name.

00:38:25.800 He was, he's a Jew born in, um.

00:38:28.020 Maybe Chad knows his name.

00:38:29.120 Born in Cuba, and it's like, he's the one, he worked for these open border organizations.

00:38:35.420 He comes in, he's the one who has our borders open.

00:38:37.860 But he would never do that in Israel.

00:38:39.100 He's a dual citizen, right?

00:38:40.060 He's a legal place for open borders in Israel.

00:38:42.180 It's really interesting how many Jewish people are pushing for open borders in America, but not Israel.

00:38:47.600 It just makes no sense to me.

00:38:48.500 So they're like, Israel's for Jews, but America, America could be for everyone.

00:38:52.760 And I'm actually, like I said, I'm not a white nationalist.

00:38:54.600 I think America, at this point, is way too...

00:38:56.880 Apparently you're Native American.

00:38:58.060 Exactly.

00:38:58.620 Native American nationalist.

00:38:59.540 I'm not white enough.

00:39:00.480 So I have no problem with different races, but I think you need to bring people in slow to, um, you have to integrate them.

00:39:06.480 You can't just flood a country with third world immigrants and think it's going to be okay, especially when we're paying for what they do.

00:39:13.100 Yeah.

00:39:13.280 Have you been to Minneapolis?

00:39:15.580 No.

00:39:16.040 I just came back yesterday, and that place is filled with Somalians.

00:39:19.260 Like, and they don't look like they're American at all.

00:39:21.040 It's straight out of Somalia, um, dressed completely like that.

00:39:24.700 And they all came there because the welfare system in Minneapolis is really, uh, it's really easy.

00:39:29.560 So they hand out checks everywhere.

00:39:31.160 And you would think that this place is really white, like it's like in Minnesota.

00:39:34.200 I would have thought it was.

00:39:35.140 I thought it was too.

00:39:36.100 And then you see this, and it's like, this looks straight like East Africa.

00:39:39.460 Um, and it's because they're handing out welfare checks.

00:39:41.320 And, you know, I think most of them are good.

00:39:43.480 I don't think that there's that much crime.

00:39:44.720 I'm not sure how it is since George Floyd, but it's just weird that there's that many all at once.

00:39:49.920 Like 10, 12 years ago, they weren't there at all.

00:39:51.680 And now it's like, it looks like visually like 30, 40% of that place is Somalian.

00:39:55.940 Yeah, and so, it doesn't mean they're bad people, but it makes no sense as American to flood all these people in, give them welfare.

00:40:02.340 They're also not going to assimilate with other groups like that.

00:40:04.280 If you're going to bring in immigrants, I think you've got to kind of put them slowly in small pockets.

00:40:08.160 People that make sense better to make the country better.

00:40:10.720 I'll just flood millions of, you know, Somalians, put them in the same area.

00:40:14.040 They're not going to immigrate in America.

00:40:16.360 They're not American.

00:40:17.380 Yes, they're not American.

00:40:18.540 Exactly.

00:40:18.860 They're Somali first.

00:40:19.680 I think America needs to be America first.

00:40:21.200 Anyone that lives here.

00:40:22.480 And I don't think, to me, I've never looked at this racial issue.

00:40:24.760 I think there's lots of, like you said, you're not white.

00:40:26.820 Like, a lot of these guys that are pushing the movement aren't white.

00:40:30.340 It's more how you think.

00:40:32.320 Yeah, I mean, it's important to instill that.

00:40:34.360 But the liberal ideology has said that, like, America's evil.

00:40:37.680 And so, these people live here thinking that this place is bad and that they don't resonate with any of the American values,

00:40:43.740 but they're just here occupying territory until they can go back and send the money home.

00:40:47.260 So, we need to have that sort of love for this country and have that unifying everybody.

00:40:53.300 I mean, it's like they're in Japan and nobody calls them racists.

00:40:56.680 Everybody in Japan believes in Japan.

00:40:58.980 Obviously, they have problems with the birth rate because there's a lack of God.

00:41:03.140 And so, the men end up becoming weak.

00:41:05.000 But they believe in Japan.

00:41:06.980 We need to have that here.

00:41:08.240 Yeah, I've been to Japan a lot.

00:41:09.600 And it's, you know, pros and cons, but it's a great country.

00:41:11.900 Zero crime.

00:41:12.820 You can leave your bike out.

00:41:14.880 You're just going to sit there.

00:41:15.860 They have grocery stores without cashiers.

00:41:18.420 Like, you just pay in a basket and leave.

00:41:21.040 Also, zero litter.

00:41:22.240 Because I remember a couple times I'd have, like, a drink.

00:41:23.920 I leave from, like, you know, Starbucks or whatever.

00:41:27.720 And you're walking around.

00:41:28.380 There's no trash cans either.

00:41:29.620 But you're not going to litter when I'm going to litter.

00:41:30.880 Like, in New York, like, I'm going to be honest.

00:41:32.640 I litter sometimes.

00:41:33.680 Like, if I'm in the train, I'll, like, pee outside.

00:41:35.380 It's everywhere.

00:41:36.080 Because it's everywhere.

00:41:36.580 And you just contribute, but in Japan, like, I'll have to walk, like, three blocks, like,

00:41:39.820 just looking for a trash can, holding a candy around.

00:41:41.480 But that's actually hardly a trash can tell.

00:41:42.960 I remember being stuck in, like, with a soda for, like, an hour because there's no trash

00:41:45.860 can.

00:41:46.140 But you're not, when everything's so perfect and clean, you're not going to be the one

00:41:48.700 person to litter.

00:41:49.360 You're not going to be the first one.

00:41:50.920 So, they're very good.

00:41:52.380 They don't even have strict laws of crime there.

00:41:53.920 They're just very culturally about shaming.

00:41:56.300 So, the people that aren't, if you're not fitting in line, you'll be shamed and pushed out of society.

00:42:00.020 Yeah, just me.

00:42:00.460 I have tattoos.

00:42:01.280 And I would be standing on the train in Japan, like, holding the bar.

00:42:03.700 And I see, like, the grandmas give me, like, dirty looks underneath the mask.

00:42:07.000 And you're like, oh, man, I'm like a filthy immigrant with my tattoos.

00:42:10.060 I cover up my arms again.

00:42:11.260 They're very strict with the rules of tattoos.

00:42:13.700 That's a perfect example because I bought in Japan.

00:42:16.100 You can't use, when we're cutting weight, we go to the steam room to lose weight.

00:42:20.100 They want to let me in for the tattoos.

00:42:21.160 You have to put sleeves on?

00:42:22.300 They wouldn't even let me in, period.

00:42:23.000 They wouldn't even go in.

00:42:23.620 I went to a gym.

00:42:24.440 And, like, this is, like, apparently a Yakuza tattoo.

00:42:26.260 It's a Japanese dragon.

00:42:27.440 I had to, like, go to the gym.

00:42:28.740 They gave me specific sleeves just to cover up my arms.

00:42:31.160 That's crazy.

00:42:31.760 For me, I'm obviously not Yakuza.

00:42:33.300 But they still wouldn't have found the rules.

00:42:34.900 You, you could be.

00:42:35.500 I could be.

00:42:36.240 Maybe.

00:42:36.760 But aren't you an Asian?

00:42:37.660 I see it now.

00:42:38.400 No, I am, like I said.

00:42:39.120 I'm, like, a 16th Asian.

00:42:40.100 So, apparently, I'm kicked out of the white nationalist circles now.

00:42:42.520 Oh, you're not allowed.

00:42:43.240 How pathetic are these people?

00:42:44.320 They're jumping on and being like, oh, Jake's a fake.

00:42:46.820 He's not 100% white.

00:42:47.920 I've never seen him.

00:42:48.660 I said I was 100% white.

00:42:49.480 They just need something to say.

00:42:51.620 Like, there's no ammunition.

00:42:52.920 So, they need to find something against you.

00:42:54.440 Probably a Jew.

00:42:55.040 Pretty much.

00:42:56.580 I think it was hiding behind a false account.

00:42:59.320 Okay, he's texting.

00:43:00.060 He's big here finally.

00:43:01.400 Yeah.

00:43:03.400 Hour and a half late.

00:43:06.200 I don't remember.

00:43:07.140 At least he has his event.

00:43:08.400 Yeah.

00:43:09.700 No, Nick, I can't lie to you.

00:43:11.500 Like, 90 minutes late is insane.

00:43:14.660 Especially in this city.

00:43:16.160 But, is that him?

00:43:18.980 Yeah, I'll get the door.

00:43:21.640 Yeah, I'm stuck on the street alone.

00:43:22.980 That's supposed to be weird.

00:43:23.520 Hey!

00:43:23.840 What's up?

00:43:26.000 Oh.

00:43:26.840 Hey.

00:43:27.400 What's up, what's up?

00:43:28.240 Are you live now?

00:43:29.660 Yeah, we're live.

00:43:30.120 We're live.

00:43:30.980 We started about.

00:43:31.940 What's up, man?

00:43:32.220 Yeah, get a seat.

00:43:32.520 We started like an hour ago.

00:43:33.420 I better get this going.

00:43:34.480 So, I think you're right here.

00:43:35.600 All right.

00:43:35.900 Have a seat.

00:43:36.460 Come on in.

00:43:37.100 In my hotel studio.

00:43:38.400 Yeah.

00:43:39.060 We got this special studio here.

00:43:40.660 Awesome.

00:43:41.900 What's up?

00:43:42.760 What's up?

00:43:43.260 How you doing?

00:43:43.900 Doing pretty good.

00:43:44.500 How was after getting kicked out?

00:43:46.260 That was kind of wild.

00:43:47.100 Yeah, that was pretty crazy.

00:43:48.560 Well, it's not that crazy.

00:43:49.640 You expected it.

00:43:50.560 You knew that was going to happen.

00:43:51.680 Well, I wasn't sure, actually.

00:43:53.440 Yeah, because they said that.

00:43:54.940 We've been talking to them for an hour before you got there.

00:43:56.860 Yeah.

00:43:57.020 They kept not giving us a clear answer, saying, like, oh, I think so.

00:43:59.740 I'm like, oh, I think I got you.

00:44:00.600 I think I got you.

00:44:01.280 And then, nope.

00:44:02.720 Yeah, I wasn't sure.

00:44:03.180 You want water or something?

00:44:04.160 Oh, I'm all right.

00:44:04.880 Thank you.

00:44:05.140 I think the couple hundred fans screaming didn't help when you watched it.

00:44:07.720 Yeah, that probably.

00:44:09.660 Yeah, I think they would have kicked you out anyways, though.

00:44:11.320 They were ready.

00:44:12.120 I think so, too.

00:44:12.500 Probably because I told them how to pass for you.

00:44:14.500 They were probably, and they weren't giving me a clear answer.

00:44:16.840 They kept just, like, stringing me along.

00:44:18.460 They probably wanted me to come so they could take it.

00:44:20.960 What's the back story?

00:44:21.800 You told me a little bit about the Gorker War of 20s, I don't know, 2019, 2020.

00:44:27.200 Why do you have a beef with Charlie Kirk?

00:44:30.200 Well, I mean, honestly, they started it, not to be that guy, but I had basically no interaction

00:44:35.760 with them for years because I got started in 2017, and I had no interaction with them

00:44:40.800 that whole year, 2018, 2019.

00:44:44.000 And then in 2019, I was in a photo with Ashley St. Clair.

00:44:48.120 You know, she's on Twitter.

00:44:49.400 She's her ex now.

00:44:50.620 She's a big influencer.

00:44:51.800 She's tight with Elon.

00:44:53.060 I was at this party with her.

00:44:54.940 I was in a picture with her.

00:44:56.860 They fired her as an ambassador because she was in the picture.

00:45:00.880 And that was the first shot, basically, because I had no beef with them.

00:45:03.840 She's Jewish, too, right?

00:45:05.020 Ashley St. Clair, yeah.

00:45:06.320 Wow, that's crazy.

00:45:07.380 And, you know, she's actually a nice person.

00:45:09.060 I don't agree with her on everything, but I've known her for a long time.

00:45:12.380 And so we were in the photo.

00:45:14.020 They fired her as an ambassador because she was in the photo.

00:45:16.980 So, and then the Gorker War started.

00:45:19.600 But, you know, honestly, the Gorker War, all we did was participate in the event.

00:45:26.840 It's a speech and a Q&A.

00:45:30.260 So, and by the way, it wasn't like we cooked it up.

00:45:33.080 I mean, people were just spontaneously doing that.

00:45:35.640 Everybody thinks I was the mastermind.

00:45:37.400 I became the mastermind, but it started out, yeah, I kind of, you know, we took it and we wrote it.

00:45:43.180 But when it started in Colorado, it was just two random guys.

00:45:47.020 They asked these questions, and it was pretty organic.

00:45:49.460 And I don't know.

00:45:50.760 I mean, they claim to be, like, free marketplace of ideas.

00:45:53.940 We're the conservative movement.

00:45:55.280 But then when people actually want to critique them from the right rather than from the left, they say, shut it down.

00:46:01.840 No more questions.

00:46:03.160 You can't participate.

00:46:05.280 And, you know, what's incredible is just, like, the double standard.

00:46:08.520 They'll sit and debate socialists.

00:46:10.600 They claim communism killed 100 million people, but they'll talk to communists.

00:46:15.540 I haven't killed anybody.

00:46:16.840 But they say, you can't even come in the building.

00:46:18.840 You know, your people can't ask the questions.

00:46:21.220 So, you know, a lot of the Groypers have heard the story a million times.

00:46:25.480 But it's just totally outrageous that we really do get treated differently than anybody else.

00:46:29.880 It threw me a little off guard.

00:46:30.900 I thought it wasn't going to be that extreme.

00:46:32.220 I thought we were going to get in.

00:46:33.320 Right.

00:46:34.160 Because that's what they're sounding like.

00:46:35.340 They want to give me a clear answer.

00:46:36.500 It was like, oh, yeah, we're going to get in this pass.

00:46:38.700 And then they come in.

00:46:39.320 It was like, boom.

00:46:39.860 They rushed up, like, five people in his face.

00:46:42.360 They wouldn't say why.

00:46:43.420 I kept being like, why is he being kicked out?

00:46:44.660 No answer.

00:46:45.320 Just a higher-up say.

00:46:47.080 Can we speak to the higher-ups?

00:46:48.160 Yeah.

00:46:48.480 I asked to speak to the higher-ups.

00:46:49.420 I actually did talk to people afterwards and got private conversations that were like,

00:46:53.760 oh, we agree with some of what you say.

00:46:55.260 It's just kind of like, why don't you say this publicly?

00:46:57.400 Right.

00:46:57.820 We waltzed right in.

00:46:59.380 Really?

00:46:59.900 Yeah, they were really friendly.

00:47:00.820 Both of you guys?

00:47:01.580 Yeah, we got right in.

00:47:02.800 It was a lot of fun.

00:47:03.780 You should have came.

00:47:04.740 Yeah, I tried.

00:47:05.720 Yeah, I tried.

00:47:07.160 It's crazy how honest you've been.

00:47:08.520 I've had multiple people tell me I should have no contact with you, that I'm fucking my career

00:47:11.920 up in the future.

00:47:12.620 But I'm not going to live as a coward and, like, oh, I can't talk to you.

00:47:15.460 You've been nothing.

00:47:16.120 You know, you've been a friend to me.

00:47:16.980 We've been cool.

00:47:17.500 So how am I going to not talk to you until the people are telling me to?

00:47:20.220 It's insane.

00:47:21.240 Like, I've never had so many people tell you that.

00:47:22.760 I'm a grown man.

00:47:23.500 I have people tell me I can't talk to you.

00:47:24.560 It's insane to me that people think they can't even tell me that.

00:47:27.520 Yeah, it's totally bizarre.

00:47:29.360 And it's, well, it's amazing because people say now that, like, cancel culture is over.

00:47:33.920 I've heard people say that.

00:47:35.080 Really not?

00:47:35.320 It isn't.

00:47:35.880 No, I mean, it's over for some people.

00:47:37.520 But if you're an effective critic of the system, they want to make it so that your life is

00:47:43.320 miserable.

00:47:44.640 And, you know, I think what they sort of recognize is, like, I'm clearly still popular.

00:47:48.800 Like, I go to Turning Point, and I get, like, a hero's welcome.

00:47:51.360 You had hundreds of people when I walked in.

00:47:53.000 It was like, plaza.

00:47:53.860 They're like, oh, wow, this is crazy.

00:47:54.860 It's like a rock star.

00:47:55.360 Yeah, they're saluting and stuff.

00:47:56.200 Yeah, they're cheering.

00:47:57.140 I'm signing autographs.

00:47:58.760 And so they can't get rid of me.

00:48:00.360 They can't get rid of my following, so they put ice on everybody around me.

00:48:04.160 You know, like, people reach out to me.

00:48:05.940 I'm not going to say who.

00:48:07.260 But some big people reach out to me, and they say, hey, we want to have you on YouTube,

00:48:11.360 but you're banned on YouTube.

00:48:12.560 So if we have you on our channel, we're going to get banned.

00:48:16.080 Well, Tim and other people.

00:48:17.640 Tim didn't reach out.

00:48:19.100 Tim just, like, ghosted us.

00:48:21.120 Yeah.

00:48:21.380 But it's pretty obvious why.

00:48:22.480 But after he gave me his word that he was going to do it,

00:48:25.360 and they just, he should have just called me and said I changed my mind,

00:48:27.560 but instead he just stopped for funding.

00:48:29.440 Well, Hodge twins, they only put it on X, right?

00:48:31.100 So they put it on YouTube?

00:48:31.540 Yeah, that's right, just on X.

00:48:32.500 But that was cool they did, though, because they knew.

00:48:34.580 I understand why, because, like I said, I'm looking to get a podcast going,

00:48:37.480 but they'll demonetize just for putting you on there.

00:48:40.280 How crazy is that?

00:48:41.180 Just for having me on a podcast because it's demonetized.

00:48:43.220 Yeah, I got, like, two strikes for doing that.

00:48:45.020 Yeah, and the Hodge twins lost a couple sponsors over me being on the show.

00:48:48.680 Yeah, so it's just.

00:48:49.460 They're just grabbing the balls to bring you on anyways, you know.

00:48:51.480 More people are starting to have the balls finally.

00:48:53.860 Yeah.

00:48:54.120 It's the quickest shift, it's the fastest shift that there's ever been in this movement.

00:48:59.460 It's got to be, right?

00:49:00.160 Have you noticed you've done AFPAC for how many years now?

00:49:02.720 It's our fourth year.

00:49:03.900 This has got to be the most amount of energy, huh?

00:49:05.940 Yeah, it's the most people, it's the most energy,

00:49:08.160 and, you know, this war in Palestine is really what did it.

00:49:12.120 And that, coupled with the Kanye thing, the A24,

00:49:17.060 Candace Owens getting fired from Daily Wire,

00:49:19.440 it's like, basically all the things we had talked about for seven years

00:49:22.860 are now coming to fruition.

00:49:24.300 All at once.

00:49:25.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:26.240 It's hitting everybody all at the same time.

00:49:27.980 And, you know, I said my pinned tweet on X is I got canceled for saying they put Israel first.

00:49:36.080 Now everybody sees what I was talking about, you know,

00:49:38.320 because with this war in Gaza, it's so transparent, it's so unpopular,

00:49:43.860 it's unpopular around the world, and yet it just goes on and on and on,

00:49:47.300 in defiance of everybody, which it's like if the whole world says you can't do it,

00:49:53.400 but it keeps going, then what does that tell you about who runs the world?

00:49:56.620 Didn't you tweet that it's the first genocide that's been live-streamed?

00:49:59.820 I think someone else tweeted that, I think.

00:50:01.360 Yeah, but it really puts things through.

00:50:02.720 But it is.

00:50:03.320 It's like I said, I'm on all the Telegram channels.

00:50:05.500 It's terrible.

00:50:06.040 I don't know if you look at those, but the stuff you see on those,

00:50:08.360 like I only put a few videos out here and there.

00:50:09.960 There's hundreds of them a day of these little kids getting blown up.

00:50:12.640 It's disgusting.

00:50:13.980 And like I was telling him earlier, the worst ones are the Israeli ones

00:50:16.160 because we're mocking them.

00:50:17.000 They're laughing at it.

00:50:17.920 I don't know if you've gone to those.

00:50:18.740 They're just sickening.

00:50:19.520 I can't go to those very often.

00:50:21.240 Yeah, it's gross.

00:50:22.320 They're chauvinists.

00:50:23.820 And, you know, it's like we were standing out there,

00:50:26.600 and I was saying, oh, there's that law that says that it's illegal to say

00:50:30.940 the Jews killed Jesus.

00:50:32.160 I'm like, but they did.

00:50:33.160 And there was a guy, some boomer, clearly Jewish,

00:50:35.760 he's standing out there.

00:50:36.580 He's like, the Romans, the Romans killed Jesus.

00:50:39.640 It wasn't, it was the Romans.

00:50:41.460 And I said, I'm sorry, sir, do you believe in Jesus?

00:50:44.760 And he goes, he's not my savior.

00:50:46.560 Oh, well, there you go.

00:50:47.880 Yeah, case in point.

00:50:50.180 And, you know, but that's just, that doesn't work.

00:50:53.520 You know, this is a Christian country.

00:50:55.720 This is America.

00:50:57.240 And the people that are calling all the shots,

00:51:00.300 they don't want to die for America.

00:51:01.580 They don't want to die for Jesus.

00:51:03.360 They think they're better than everybody.

00:51:04.800 They think that everybody's got to bow down for Israel,

00:51:07.340 and everybody's got to care about their feelings about the Holocaust

00:51:09.700 and about anti-Semitism.

00:51:11.960 And everyone, everyone knows it.

00:51:13.860 And I'm like one of the only people, obviously, you and you also,

00:51:16.760 but I'm one of the people in politics that's saying, no, F that.

00:51:20.740 Like, it's America first.

00:51:22.280 It's Christ is king.

00:51:23.720 And without exception, absolutely.

00:51:25.940 And we confront head on this contradiction.

00:51:28.800 And that's why I'm canceled.

00:51:30.340 I mean, so, and Candace has jumped in a little bit.

00:51:33.660 Yeah, she name-dropped you on Pierce Morgan.

00:51:35.320 I was surprised by that.

00:51:36.160 Yeah, she said positive things, too.

00:51:38.020 You're getting mainstream, man.

00:51:39.380 I don't think they're going to go stop that.

00:51:40.760 I think we had this talk a few months ago,

00:51:42.140 and it's like you already see this direction changing.

00:51:44.540 I can't imagine for you what it must have been like seven years ago.

00:51:47.340 Like, I'm glad that I just started learning all the past year

00:51:50.600 because I'm not very good at keeping my mouth shut, obviously.

00:51:52.560 I couldn't imagine.

00:51:53.520 I'd probably be like, you're completely ostracized.

00:51:55.580 So it must be crazy what you've gone through.

00:51:58.480 Yeah, it's been pretty horrible, but, you know.

00:52:01.940 Yeah, you couldn't imagine.

00:52:02.940 But the vindication, the vindication feels good.

00:52:06.100 I mean, all I want is just that things are set right, you know.

00:52:09.380 I mean, I don't care so much about me as long as, you know,

00:52:13.040 we get America to be put first, as long as we get.

00:52:15.520 Yeah, it's bigger than us.

00:52:17.080 It's about the country, and that's, I think, why we get along

00:52:18.820 because we're not trying to be like, oh, my age will this.

00:52:20.900 We're trying to make the country better.

00:52:21.960 A lot of these guys are like, oh, how can I get money on this?

00:52:23.940 How can my age go?

00:52:25.580 It's like I just want a better country for our kids and, you know,

00:52:28.260 grandchildren kids who live in.

00:52:29.320 That's why I think Jake is going to be really useful in that regard

00:52:31.940 because a lot of other guys, like, have a lot of ego towards it

00:52:34.940 and resentment towards you.

00:52:36.620 Totally.

00:52:37.340 And Jake's really like, you could tell him,

00:52:38.820 would you let Jake be the head of Secret Service as president?

00:52:41.840 Yes, absolutely, yeah.

00:52:43.420 I got a job.

00:52:44.380 Secretary of Defense or something.

00:52:45.680 I got a job.

00:52:46.220 I got a job.

00:52:46.720 I got a job.

00:52:47.100 I got a job.

00:52:47.600 I got a job.

00:52:48.100 I got a job.

00:52:48.480 I got a job.

00:52:48.940 I got a job.

00:52:49.600 Yeah, it's like a fucking push-up.

00:52:51.180 Yeah, I saw that.

00:52:52.220 Yeah, you refused to shake the guy's hand.

00:52:54.280 Maybe I need a little eye service.

00:52:56.120 Shit pisses me off.

00:52:57.080 Yeah.

00:52:57.560 So how did you guys destroy our country?

00:53:00.260 You know, it's like, so these guys are like, they're active

00:53:02.420 and our country's being destroyed.

00:53:04.260 The guy, they're sitting back and watching it and debating

00:53:06.020 and going along with it.

00:53:07.440 And like I said, the guy privately told me that agrees with a lot of it.

00:53:10.120 He was a high-up guy.

00:53:10.920 It's like, how are you keeping this private then?

00:53:12.860 Yeah, because you prioritize money over truth.

00:53:15.320 That's why.

00:53:15.920 That's the only reason that I would say it.

00:53:17.420 Sad that you put money before truth.

00:53:19.320 Yeah, we were saying earlier that there's some guys,

00:53:21.260 like you understand why they don't want to speak about their politics.

00:53:23.440 I think you absolutely should.

00:53:24.800 Now is the most crucial time to speak about this.

00:53:26.680 Like when there's a genocide being live-streamed,

00:53:29.200 like now more than ever, people always talk about how, like,

00:53:31.560 oh, if the Holocaust was happening, I would have spoken up.

00:53:34.760 I would have.

00:53:35.080 They would have.

00:53:35.540 They'd be sitting there with these people.

00:53:36.620 It's quiet.

00:53:37.000 Then right now, say something.

00:53:38.800 But how did you guys end up meeting each other?

00:53:41.220 We were a mutual friend of what's his name?

00:53:43.340 Tenrio.

00:53:43.820 Tenrio, yeah.

00:53:44.420 Tenrio, really?

00:53:45.440 Did you see him come on the one-minute podcast in New York?

00:53:48.340 Yes.

00:53:48.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:49.440 Yeah, I met him in New York.

00:53:51.760 And, you know, obviously he's black.

00:53:53.500 And he was sitting there.

00:53:54.340 I believe you're some racist.

00:53:55.320 And he's like, oh, you really should talk to Nick.

00:53:56.940 He's like, isn't he racist?

00:53:58.880 And he's like, no, no, he's not.

00:54:00.380 And I was like, all right, give me his number.

00:54:02.440 And I think I texted you at some point.

00:54:03.880 And then we kind of just started talking a little bit from there.

00:54:06.160 And, you know, instantly I could tell he was genuine.

00:54:08.640 I like Nick.

00:54:09.300 Not say we're, like, the most close.

00:54:10.300 I think people think we're closer than they are.

00:54:11.560 People are always hitting me up, asking me to get Nick to do things.

00:54:14.660 Sometimes he'll even have Nick's phone number.

00:54:16.220 I'm just kind of like, why don't you hit him up?

00:54:18.400 Because I think he's gone along right away.

00:54:19.960 And I could see he legitimately wants to save the country.

00:54:22.900 And I'm a little bad, too, because I kind of believed that he was this, like, demon.

00:54:26.520 And then we totally went 18.

00:54:27.860 You were pushed away like that.

00:54:28.800 I just couldn't imagine an 18 getting stripped from everything.

00:54:32.140 Like, even your own family, probably, thinking you're just, like, a bad person.

00:54:35.660 You're just trying to help the country.

00:54:36.700 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:54:37.780 That's everybody's first reaction to you.

00:54:39.380 Like, I remember bringing you up to Meyer, and he's like, isn't that kind of, like, a white supremacist?

00:54:43.220 I'm like, oh, he's cool.

00:54:44.020 He didn't talk.

00:54:44.460 He was like, you can't, like, white nationalists.

00:54:46.580 They're like, and then he met, and obviously, like, you see what he thinks now.

00:54:49.080 He's very public about that.

00:54:50.080 So, but that's everybody's first impression.

00:54:53.480 Yeah, well, that's their, it's like when Ye tweeted that a few years ago.

00:54:57.580 He said, who do you think invented cancel culture?

00:55:00.100 That's who's behind it.

00:55:01.360 I mean, because with a guy like me, the first question I asked, I didn't, you know, when I started getting into politics, I was a total normie.

00:55:08.820 But the one thing that stood out, as I said, this whole Israel thing doesn't fit with America first.

00:55:14.380 That was it.

00:55:15.460 And from that point on, they said, oh, well, you hate Muslims.

00:55:18.800 You hate black people.

00:55:20.080 You're a white supremacist.

00:55:21.120 You're a white nationalist.

00:55:22.040 You're this, that, and the other.

00:55:23.060 And it's this, like, reputational destruction.

00:55:26.200 It's almost like I'm being embargoed.

00:55:28.640 And that's kind of, there's like an irony there because, you know, there's that BDS movement, boycott, divest, sanction.

00:55:34.980 And it's a totally legitimate movement because they say, here's this country that's engaging in a genocide.

00:55:40.300 Well, we're not going to do business with you.

00:55:41.960 That's our prerogative.

00:55:42.900 That's our freedom.

00:55:43.760 Why would we support a country that's engaging in a genocide?

00:55:47.180 Well, they say that's anti-Semitic to engage in the BDS.

00:55:50.340 You cannot boycott, divest, or sanction Israel.

00:55:53.060 But if you criticize Israel, you get boycotted, divested, sanctioned.

00:55:57.560 If you criticize Israel, you're banned from the payment processors.

00:56:00.760 You get banned on YouTube.

00:56:02.100 You get blacklisted.

00:56:03.460 Other people that associate with you get banned.

00:56:05.680 Like, when we went on Fresh and Fit, we were going to go live.

00:56:08.280 You, me, Zerka, Myron, Walter.

00:56:11.900 And they came in and said, oh, you can't do the stream because Nick and Sneeko are banned from YouTube.

00:56:16.360 So you can't stream it on YouTube.

00:56:17.900 And it's like those secondary effects.

00:56:20.840 So it's ostracism.

00:56:22.820 Like in ancient times.

00:56:24.680 Yeah, you were totally ostracized.

00:56:25.980 I hate to admit it, but even when I met you, I'm like, oh, is this a good idea?

00:56:28.780 Yeah.

00:56:29.480 And I'm like a guy that's not scared of anything.

00:56:31.620 My finances are secure.

00:56:33.200 The fact that it even crosses my mind just shows how good of a job they've done.

00:56:36.600 Yeah.

00:56:36.920 Like, so you have dozens of octagon fights, like, going, like, not knowing if you're going to make out a lot.

00:56:40.900 But the fact that it even crossed my mind just shows, like, how good of a job they've done.

00:56:45.900 Because I'm kind of like, I do whatever I want.

00:56:47.200 And I'm thinking, like, oh, is it smart if I go, you know, have any connection with this guy?

00:56:50.620 The fact that it even crossed my mind, it's this coward thing.

00:56:53.060 I mean, luckily I wasn't a coward.

00:56:54.060 But I could understand why people would be scared to meet you.

00:56:57.900 Because a lot of those lives aren't in order.

00:56:59.320 They're not as strong.

00:57:00.400 They don't have finances in the set.

00:57:02.500 So it's tough.

00:57:04.380 Yeah.

00:57:04.740 Well, it's really weird because it's not like you're going to meet Al Capone.

00:57:09.340 Which is like, that's what Andrew Klavan said from Daily Wire.

00:57:12.200 He's like, oh, well, you know, Nick says some things I agree with, but he's like a notorious person like an Al Capone.

00:57:18.460 Like, just, or, you know, Candace Owen said it's like, oh, if you have a dog and Hitler has a dog, are you like Hitler or something like that?

00:57:26.240 And it's like, you have that reaction about meeting me.

00:57:29.800 I'm not a murderer.

00:57:30.900 I'm not a rapist.

00:57:32.020 I'm not, you know, Jeffrey Epstein was hanging out with, like, the world's most famous people.

00:57:36.660 That's fine.

00:57:37.640 If you're hanging out with, like, Lolita Express or Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey goes on Tucker Carlson.

00:57:43.420 Kevin Spacey, who's accused of raping kids.

00:57:46.800 14-year-old boys.

00:57:47.320 Yeah, and then they all mysteriously died.

00:57:49.380 So he can go on Lex Fridman, and he can go on Tucker, and he can go on the shows.

00:57:54.340 Piers Morgan recently, too, right?

00:57:55.480 Piers Morgan, yeah.

00:57:56.720 But not me.

00:57:57.720 Why?

00:57:58.280 Right.

00:57:58.560 Because why, like, downplayed the Holocaust or, you know, on the anti-Semite.

00:58:02.120 It might have only been 4 million instead of a...

00:58:04.300 Yeah, right.

00:58:05.420 Or he noticed he had a wooden door up or something like that.

00:58:07.660 Yes.

00:58:08.960 So it's...

00:58:09.280 So to them, that's worse.

00:58:10.540 Being critical of Israel is worse than fucking kids.

00:58:13.740 Yeah, right.

00:58:14.540 I mean, I honestly was a little shocked how we actually got there because I thought we

00:58:17.880 had it cleared.

00:58:18.460 It sounded like I told them on the phone, like, oh, I'm pretty sure we're getting it cleared

00:58:20.960 right now.

00:58:21.480 And it was just right away.

00:58:22.780 We were rushed up on.

00:58:23.940 Yeah.

00:58:24.240 They zipped over to us in, like, five seconds.

00:58:26.860 They were, like, ready waiting.

00:58:28.140 Literally.

00:58:28.620 Like, walked through the door and they made a beeline.

00:58:31.060 Hey, can we see your ID?

00:58:32.200 Yeah.

00:58:32.400 They knew exactly what you were already.

00:58:33.840 So I don't know why they need your ID.

00:58:34.920 Yeah.

00:58:35.100 It's just, like, leave.

00:58:36.340 Well, you must know some things as you're more politically involved than me.

00:58:40.740 What's going on at TPUSA?

00:58:42.260 What's the narrative that they're trying to push?

00:58:43.700 I saw you speaking about J.D. Vance.

00:58:45.160 What do you think is the big push that they want to do with TPUSA?

00:58:49.420 So with turning, well, with Vance, everyone's pushing Vance now.

00:58:53.720 And Vance is being pushed with Trump because Vance is getting money from Peter Thiel.

00:58:59.360 And Peter Thiel is, like, a big federal contractor.

00:59:01.860 Like, they just got his company, excuse me.

00:59:04.260 This is a huge topic, so we can't get into all the details.

00:59:07.140 But his company, Palantir, is a contractor with the NSA, with the CIA.

00:59:12.720 And they do, like, AI.

00:59:14.300 They do facial recognition.

00:59:15.700 They got a $500 million contract with the federal government recently.

00:59:19.440 Thiel's money put Vance in the Senate.

00:59:22.460 Now Sance is being tapped for VP.

00:59:24.700 And what's interesting, and this is what I kind of got at earlier today, you know, for

00:59:29.380 a long time, you had, like, neocons, the neoconservatives.

00:59:32.960 They said there's a civilizational war between Christianity and Islam, and Israel's at the

00:59:38.560 front of it.

00:59:39.380 And that's why we need to go to Iraq and make a democracy.

00:59:42.160 And we're going to plant the seed, and it's going to spread all over, and blah, blah,

00:59:44.860 blah.

00:59:45.440 People stopped believing in that.

00:59:46.840 They said that's nation-building myth.

00:59:49.320 We can't build nations.

00:59:50.580 You can't go and make a democracy in Iraq, because they don't have a tradition of liberalism.

00:59:55.200 You know, and their religion isn't really compatible.

00:59:57.620 As you know, Islam's, and it's a good thing, it's not a liberal religion.

01:00:01.480 So that fell out of favor.

01:00:02.700 The neocons fell out of favor.

01:00:04.800 And so for a long time, they were just kind of pushing this, well, Israel's our closest

01:00:08.440 ally.

01:00:09.320 And all it took was somebody like me to get up and say, okay, well, why?

01:00:13.060 You know, why are they our closest ally?

01:00:15.160 And they fold it immediately, because they're like, we don't even know.

01:00:18.960 You know, like, because that was it.

01:00:20.500 I mean, you know, years ago, we would go to Charlie Kirk and say, hey, Charlie, like, why

01:00:24.960 are they the closest ally?

01:00:26.320 They didn't know.

01:00:27.000 I mean, they said it, but they didn't know.

01:00:28.780 And what I've noticed, and if you pay attention, you'll see it too, they're now creating, like,

01:00:34.500 a new justification for it, in light of the Groypers, because the Groypers have become

01:00:38.540 very popular among the young people.

01:00:40.560 And so in the past five years, they've come up with these new ideas.

01:00:43.280 So, like, Vance was at the Quincy Institute a few weeks ago.

01:00:47.800 It's an anti-war nonprofit.

01:00:50.320 And so these guys don't actually support Israel.

01:00:53.340 But Vance goes there and says, well, I'm going to make the case for why we should support

01:00:57.580 Israel.

01:00:57.880 And he had all these new reasons.

01:00:59.400 And so he said, for example, well, we need to support Israel because they're innovators

01:01:04.420 in missile defense.

01:01:05.960 That's the big thing now in Ukraine.

01:01:07.880 So being pro-war.

01:01:09.020 Yeah, right.

01:01:09.760 It's all about defense contractors, like his boss, Peter Thiel.

01:01:13.620 He said the second thing is, well, Israel protects the Christian Holy Land.

01:01:17.840 That's the new one they're doing.

01:01:19.720 Like, Vance posted a picture of himself kissing the wall, and he said, I'm walking in Christ's

01:01:24.780 footsteps.

01:01:25.360 I'm like, did Christ kiss the wall?

01:01:26.920 I must have missed that.

01:01:28.260 Yeah, right?

01:01:29.120 And I'm like, somehow I don't think Christ supports Israel.

01:01:32.300 But that's like their new thing.

01:01:33.360 You know, they're like killing kids?

01:01:34.720 Yeah.

01:01:35.400 Yeah.

01:01:35.600 Or like spitting on his own followers or like bombing his own churches.

01:01:39.340 Like these evangelical Christians, Zionist Christians, they get spit on out there and

01:01:44.120 they're still Zionists.

01:01:44.980 It makes no sense.

01:01:45.880 Yeah.

01:01:46.200 Well, it's funny.

01:01:46.980 I met one from Turning Point.

01:01:48.520 It's a young girl.

01:01:49.540 Years ago, I went to this thing with Bryson Gray, and there were a couple of girls who went

01:01:53.460 to like my old high school, and I recognized them.

01:01:56.280 I was like, oh, hey, yeah, you're getting a lot of attention from being in Turning

01:01:58.980 Point, blah, blah, blah.

01:02:00.180 And I said, yeah, you got to drop this Turning Point stuff.

01:02:02.820 Israel is not our ally.

01:02:04.440 And they go, oh, we just got back from Israel.

01:02:06.640 I'm like, yeah, they hate Christians there.

01:02:08.940 My right hand of God, I swear.

01:02:10.360 She goes, yeah, now that you mention that, they kind of like hated us there.

01:02:14.260 They were like spitting on us.

01:02:15.580 When you see Destiny getting, like, he's over there.

01:02:17.520 Destiny's not even Christian.

01:02:18.500 He's in Israel right now.

01:02:20.020 My bad for bringing him up.

01:02:20.900 No, yeah.

01:02:21.200 Like, everywhere you go.

01:02:22.280 And then he's like, he thinks that these are his people.

01:02:24.820 He's driving his car, and they're like, shalomuta.

01:02:27.600 They're cursing him out in Hebrew.

01:02:29.520 Like, he's like, I don't know.

01:02:30.400 I don't know what you're saying.

01:02:31.260 I don't know.

01:02:31.560 Like, the guy's literally pointing at his face, calling him a son of a whore.

01:02:35.340 Like, you would think that even him, of all people, who's like, he's servicing these people

01:02:39.780 now, this ideology.

01:02:40.740 Even they, they're like, this fucking faggot whore.

01:02:42.780 Like, get out of our country.

01:02:44.980 Yeah.

01:02:45.720 My bad.

01:02:46.240 That's why I was treated good.

01:02:47.460 No, when I went there, though, as I saw it, I was treated good because I was, like,

01:02:50.080 with people that are high up.

01:02:51.060 But I could see when I was in Jerusalem how they were treating other people, like, not good.

01:02:54.140 Those guys, machine guns, the Muslims are pushed to a corner.

01:02:56.720 The Christians, they're treated that good.

01:02:58.560 It was like, they try to take you around and show me all the positive things.

01:03:01.900 Yeah.

01:03:02.060 But I could still, I'm not stupid.

01:03:03.620 I could still see things.

01:03:05.060 Yeah.

01:03:05.520 Oh, yeah.

01:03:06.040 They're putting on a show.

01:03:07.220 And anyway, but so Vance is pushing this new thing of, like, oh, we support Israel because

01:03:11.360 we're like Christian.

01:03:12.460 Charlie Kirk does the same thing now.

01:03:14.060 He recently got asked at one of the Q&A things.

01:03:16.860 I think it was some girl came up and said, you know, why do you support Israel so much?

01:03:21.540 And he said, well, because it's a Christian holy land.

01:03:23.860 And now they're trying to steer the Christian nationalist thing into a way to support Israel.

01:03:29.680 And Vance has echoed a lot of those same sentiments.

01:03:33.360 Are people believing that?

01:03:34.880 Yeah.

01:03:35.460 I think some people are, I think they find it more plausible than the other stuff.

01:03:40.280 I think years ago, we totally dominated because they just had no convincing answer.

01:03:46.300 And now that, ironically, now that another aspect of our rhetoric is winning, which is

01:03:51.820 that Christ is king in this Christian country, they're kind of leveraging one aspect of what

01:03:56.420 we support into supporting Israel.

01:03:58.640 And saying, oh, and it doesn't really make sense, but I think that's probably more compelling

01:04:02.360 than what they were saying before.

01:04:03.440 Than the pro-war stuff.

01:04:04.740 Is that it?

01:04:05.440 Is that the only two arguments that J.D. Vance has?

01:04:07.120 Yeah.

01:04:07.400 He said, he said it's missile defense.

01:04:09.940 It's Christians.

01:04:10.760 And then the other thing, it was really funny, because if you read the transcripts, he says

01:04:15.220 something like, you know, we're partnering with the Arab countries to do the Abraham Accords.

01:04:20.520 Expand that to Saudi Arabia.

01:04:22.100 He goes, and this presents really great opportunities, financially, militarily, for Israel.

01:04:28.460 He goes, and also for the United States, of course.

01:04:31.940 But it was literally, literally like, he forgot.

01:04:35.760 If people watch these politicians, they're not seeing it.

01:04:37.760 They're crazy.

01:04:38.500 They're pushing Israel first.

01:04:39.820 And unfortunately, including Trump, we were both Trump supporters.

01:04:42.740 And, you know, I might vote for him, but I'm kind of on the fence right now.

01:04:45.300 And it's, obviously, I think he's better than Biden still, but can't we just throw a vote

01:04:49.100 to a guy who's saying we need to do more for Israel than Biden's doing?

01:04:52.400 It's a tough situation that I'm thinking about, but it's just, you know, I would love to have

01:04:55.820 a private conversation with him.

01:04:56.900 That's not an easy thing to do.

01:04:57.880 Is Trump coming to Turning Point?

01:05:00.020 Yeah, he'll be here tomorrow.

01:05:01.260 Okay.

01:05:01.800 What do you think he's going to be trying to push here?

01:05:04.980 You know, he's going to be doing a stump speech.

01:05:07.160 I mean, like, the sad thing about Trump is I don't think he's really pushing anything.

01:05:12.220 I think that, you know, and this is sort of, I want to preface it by saying I love Trump.

01:05:17.160 He's a good guy.

01:05:18.060 Like, you know, I think he's a legend.

01:05:19.820 But this is not the same animal as 2016.

01:05:22.640 If you go back in 2016, he was really sharp and, like, really quick.

01:05:27.380 You'd watch his interviews, and he found a way to control the frame every time.

01:05:32.280 People forget he went into Stephen Colbert's show.

01:05:35.460 Stephen Colbert is, like, the arch-liberal, and he's a pretty smart guy.

01:05:39.000 You know, he went to Northwestern.

01:05:40.420 I know what you mean.

01:05:41.040 He's, like, you know, he's a fucking idiot liberal.

01:05:42.960 But, I mean, he's an intelligent guy.

01:05:45.520 And, but Trump went in there.

01:05:47.500 That's, like, a good example of extremely hostile interviewer and hostile territory.

01:05:52.660 But he used to go on to CNN and Colbert and the late shows, and he would decimate these guys.

01:05:57.840 He would control the frame.

01:05:59.860 He was just really, like, a masterful kind of, like, I don't know what you would call that, but rhetorician maybe.

01:06:06.560 You look at him now, it's bad.

01:06:09.200 Like, I don't know if you saw the Logan Paul interview.

01:06:11.420 It's become more normie in social media.

01:06:13.680 Like, what do you think of the downside?

01:06:15.020 Is it too low energy?

01:06:15.880 What's wrong?

01:06:16.240 He's just, like, out to lunch.

01:06:17.600 I mean, he's, like, not answering the questions.

01:06:19.720 He just repeats himself.

01:06:21.160 It's very monotonous and slow, low energy.

01:06:25.200 It's nothing new.

01:06:26.840 Even, like, the Dr. Phil interview was a total jerk-off.

01:06:29.480 You know, Dr. Phil basically said, tell me how great you are.

01:06:32.680 You know, why aren't you running unopposed?

01:06:34.460 Why are you so fucking awesome?

01:06:36.480 And it was just, like, around and around.

01:06:39.800 Biden's the worst president ever.

01:06:41.640 You know, we closed down the greatest economy.

01:06:43.780 You've heard all the greatest hits.

01:06:45.860 Well, it's hard to be new and refreshing and exciting when you've been in the game for eight years.

01:06:49.720 Not really.

01:06:50.280 I mean, you know, the thing is, that might be a plausible excuse for him.

01:06:54.960 But, like, Thomas Massey on the Tucker interview was really exciting and interesting and radical and America first.

01:07:02.340 And I watched that.

01:07:03.120 And he's not even good.

01:07:04.220 He's, like, a libertarian.

01:07:05.420 I don't even agree with him on most things.

01:07:07.360 Yeah, but that's amazing.

01:07:07.780 Yeah, but I watched the interview.

01:07:09.220 I'm, like, this is a brilliant, interesting, fresh guy.

01:07:12.220 Then I watched Trump, and I'm, like, yeah, I don't really see the appeal.

01:07:15.980 He's saying how much he wants more legal immigration.

01:07:19.120 We're going to support Israel.

01:07:20.680 We're going to cut the corporate tax rate.

01:07:22.940 He's with a bunch of donors.

01:07:24.880 This is the New York Times.

01:07:25.820 He says he's going to cut the corporate tax rate to 20%.

01:07:28.420 And it's, like, so let me get this straight.

01:07:30.820 The big winners of Trump, too, are going to be the corporations that get the tax cut.

01:07:34.680 Because the tax cut that he passed expires in 25, which is when Trump would be operating.

01:07:39.200 Yeah, the regular people are the ones that get the tax cut, not corporations.

01:07:41.120 Exactly, exactly.

01:07:42.340 And, you know, make the tax cut contingent.

01:07:45.900 Say to the corporations, if you buy and hire American, then we cut your taxes.

01:07:50.080 Not we're going to cut your taxes and you ship the job from China to Mexico, which is what they're doing.

01:07:54.440 They call it friend-shoring, which means they're going to move.

01:07:56.880 And, I mean, a lot of the products are still going through China anyway.

01:08:00.100 But, you know, the corporations are going to be the big winners.

01:08:03.560 Israel is going to be the big winner.

01:08:05.900 It's going to be immigrants where they say, he said, Dr. Phil, we desperately need legal immigration.

01:08:12.000 In the New York Times, he said, we're going to staple green cards to diplomas of foreign students.

01:08:16.280 So what the fuck about us?

01:08:18.380 You know, immigrants, corporations, and Israel.

01:08:20.580 Those are the winners the first time.

01:08:22.120 Those are going to be the winners the second time.

01:08:24.160 So people just need a reality check.

01:08:25.960 I love Trump.

01:08:27.180 No one can critique my credentials on that.

01:08:29.660 I've been a loyalist for years.

01:08:30.880 We have to be very honest about what we're getting here.

01:08:33.360 And it's not America first.

01:08:35.420 Yeah, I mean, it's hard to criticize Trump, but I'm glad you're doing it.

01:08:38.100 It's something I started doing a few months ago.

01:08:39.640 And I just think it's, we can't give him a free pass.

01:08:41.560 I still might vote for him, but he can't.

01:08:42.800 He doesn't just automatically guarantee deserve our vote when he's not.

01:08:46.060 That's what he said, what he's running on.

01:08:47.340 What is he offering America?

01:08:48.620 Exactly.

01:08:49.140 Not much.

01:08:49.880 Don't you think the Make America Ready Air movement is almost bigger than Trump itself?

01:08:53.860 It's like his supporters are all anti-vax, and he was one of the biggest proponents of shilling the vaccine.

01:08:59.200 It's like, I've been realizing that the MAGA movement is like people who love America.

01:09:03.100 That's why you still say you love Trump.

01:09:04.500 That's why I love Trump.

01:09:05.280 Like, I disagree.

01:09:05.880 Like, designism issue is like one of the really glaring flaw.

01:09:09.140 And most of his supporters that treat him like a messiah, people literally think he's a god.

01:09:13.280 Yeah.

01:09:13.500 They pray to Trump.

01:09:14.340 And they are all brainwashed about Israel because Trump's brainwashed about Israel.

01:09:18.480 But even then, his movement, which is going to, I think you're probably going to carry

01:09:22.080 the torch, and it's probably going to continue even after he, you know, whatever happens

01:09:25.600 in this election, if he goes to jail or whatever, that movement is going to continue because

01:09:28.900 you can tell he actually loves his country, unlike the other candidates.

01:09:31.780 So even though we may disagree on a lot of things, it's important to focus on the fact

01:09:35.740 that we want to put America first, which is why he gained so much support in the first

01:09:39.460 place in 2015.

01:09:40.200 But I would say he's putting too much special interest first at the moment, though.

01:09:44.520 Like, he's not actually, I think he does love the country, but I think maybe he needs

01:09:48.060 the money or he's scared of legal cases.

01:09:50.040 He's just not offering anything new for the American people.

01:09:52.500 I still think he's better than Biden, don't get me wrong, but he's just, like, what is

01:09:55.920 he offering to American people right now?

01:09:58.340 Not much.

01:09:58.780 I can't, like, when you ask that question, nothing comes to mind.

01:10:01.480 I hate to have these talks, too, because, you know, I've been a big Trumpson.

01:10:04.020 I mean, I lost a little respect during the COVID lockdowns.

01:10:06.420 I was strongly against the first two weeks, even.

01:10:08.100 And I know it was popular and he kind of had to, but that's when I first started questioning

01:10:12.040 him.

01:10:13.160 And it's unfortunate, and I hope he, like, you know, gives a little bit, but right now

01:10:16.340 I'm not that happy with him.

01:10:17.560 Yeah.

01:10:17.860 Well, and, you know, there's something interesting going on.

01:10:20.300 It's like, have you noticed that the media, they're not pro-Trump, but they don't even

01:10:26.220 seem to be phased about the prospect that he'll be president.

01:10:29.420 That is excellent.

01:10:30.040 I think I saw you say that.

01:10:31.180 Yeah.

01:10:31.300 I was like, wow, they're not bashing.

01:10:32.500 They used to be.

01:10:33.360 That's the tell.

01:10:34.000 But why aren't they bashing like they used to?

01:10:35.960 That should really make you think they don't care anymore.

01:10:37.640 They don't fear him anymore.

01:10:38.660 Because they know.

01:10:39.520 They know that it's not going to be that bad.

01:10:41.320 In 16, and I said this to a buddy of mine, in 16, it really was like a terrifying phenomenon,

01:10:49.540 Trump.

01:10:49.880 And I say this even as a supporter.

01:10:51.640 And I don't mean terrifying so much in a negative way, but he had this, like, this

01:10:56.680 X factor, like this unstoppable momentum.

01:10:59.280 It felt like we were really dealing with, like, this raw force.

01:11:02.180 Like, even we, it's almost like Frankenstein's monster.

01:11:04.960 Like, I don't even know if we could control this or stop it if we wanted to.

01:11:08.120 And that's because he, you know, there was something very unique.

01:11:10.940 He said, I personally am going to control the executive branch.

01:11:15.620 Because we all know the president isn't really in charge.

01:11:18.360 Everybody knows that.

01:11:19.100 And Trump said, no, I am going to be in charge.

01:11:22.400 I am going to use this office.

01:11:23.720 He said in the first speech, I'm going to literally take this country and make it great again.

01:11:28.700 And, you know, you look at some of the rhetoric and the propaganda that came out.

01:11:32.960 There was, like, that famous video of, like, Trump in a mech suit, like, blowing up planned earth.

01:11:38.420 It was, like, this dreadful phenomenon, but dreadful in a good way, just like, yo, yeah.

01:11:43.640 It's not there anymore.

01:11:44.320 This proud and terrible king, like, going for the earth.

01:11:47.560 My whole high school was crying.

01:11:48.820 I went to a liberal board of school.

01:11:49.820 Same.

01:11:50.240 Yeah.

01:11:50.540 They had their broken standards.

01:11:52.440 It was great.

01:11:53.200 They canceled class.

01:11:53.860 I was laughing.

01:11:54.860 Like, I remember he did, um, he was doing a rally.

01:11:58.060 I think it was, like, in San Jose or something.

01:11:59.980 They blocked the traffic.

01:12:01.160 He just gets out of his thing and starts walking across the street.

01:12:03.480 It was, he was just so bad.

01:12:04.420 Yeah, I remember that.

01:12:05.500 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:05.960 He just walked there with a secret security.

01:12:07.680 He was just like, he was unstoppable at that moment.

01:12:10.000 I'm like, that's when I saw him.

01:12:11.100 I'm like, this guy's going to win when I saw that.

01:12:12.660 He was, like, the death star.

01:12:14.040 Yeah, I couldn't believe it.

01:12:14.600 He got out and started walking.

01:12:16.020 By the way, I'm like, this guy's going to win.

01:12:17.620 He is so determined.

01:12:18.920 That's when I kind of first started slowly following politics.

01:12:21.340 Like, this is just fun.

01:12:22.460 Yeah.

01:12:22.780 This is not fun anymore.

01:12:23.360 Well, and now, I mean, in the media back then, they were legitimately terrified.

01:12:29.000 They're like, Trump is going to turn this into a dictatorship.

01:12:31.360 He's going to deport all the illegals.

01:12:33.200 Now they don't give a shit.

01:12:34.140 Now the thing that they care about is Project 2025, which is the Heritage Foundation's thing,

01:12:38.740 where they're going to recruit, like, radical, young, right-wing people to fill up the administration.

01:12:43.500 And the reason they're after Project 2025 is because they know, like I do and like everybody does,

01:12:48.980 that Trump getting in almost doesn't even matter.

01:12:51.520 What matters is who he's going to hire because the people he hires, they are going to make a difference.

01:12:57.660 And if Trump hires Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley and Tim Scott, they know they've got nothing to worry about.

01:13:03.180 But if Trump hires a bunch of radical, young, white guys who are going to, like, deliver the revolution,

01:13:08.440 that's the thing they're concerned about, and that's the thing they're talking about.

01:13:11.480 Lindsey Graham was the one kissing the wall and she was writing names on the missiles?

01:13:14.920 Yeah.

01:13:15.440 That's Nikki Haley.

01:13:16.500 Yeah.

01:13:17.080 But Lindsey Graham is just as bad, though.

01:13:18.400 He's a gay guy.

01:13:19.740 Okay.

01:13:20.000 He's a man from South Carolina.

01:13:21.620 But he, I think he did the same thing.

01:13:23.080 He's a man from South Carolina.

01:13:23.820 He might have done it, too.

01:13:24.320 I know he did it.

01:13:24.980 Yeah, he's, he might have done it, too.

01:13:26.220 He's awful.

01:13:26.920 He's a major, major war-hungry, particularly Israel, but all wars.

01:13:30.560 He's pushed every single war we've done.

01:13:32.020 He constantly wants to go to war.

01:13:33.240 He's one of the worst politicians.

01:13:34.900 So what else can we expect from Turning Point?

01:13:37.220 Is there a, well, anything, is there anything, like, is there any reason that people are here?

01:13:41.440 Yeah, I think that, well, one, they're paying people to be here.

01:13:44.720 That's, they're, like, paying, they fly people out here.

01:13:47.080 They put them up in a hotel.

01:13:48.500 And, you know, Turning Point is the number one campus group in the country.

01:13:51.700 They do have the most chapters.

01:13:53.220 So people come here to network.

01:13:54.520 They come to drink.

01:13:55.320 They come to socialize.

01:13:56.980 But the triumph of America First is that even though I'm not in, my ideas are.

01:14:02.000 Right.

01:14:02.400 You know, because I walk in, and everybody greets me like, wow, that's New Fuentes.

01:14:06.680 It's the elephant in the room.

01:14:08.100 It's clear.

01:14:08.700 Yeah.

01:14:08.880 Like, everyone, when I was walking around inside Turning Point, they were all, like, it was all goipers, like, coming up to me.

01:14:14.400 I would say it was, like, 50%.

01:14:15.700 Actually, I forgot that that wasn't your event.

01:14:18.580 I swear to God, he was, like, 50% goipers in there.

01:14:23.260 Yeah.

01:14:23.460 So they can remove me, but they can't remove the influence.

01:14:26.460 And the thing is, like, at the end of the day, like, I'm a guy who's actually pushing a compelling, inspirational idea.

01:14:34.180 Like, they're not.

01:14:35.220 Nobody is, like, a Charlie Kirk fan.

01:14:37.920 Charlie Kirk doesn't have fans that are, like, socialism sucks.

01:14:41.860 Like, no one's doing that.

01:14:43.500 Because socialism isn't the problem.

01:14:45.400 You know, and, like, capitalism isn't the rallying cry.

01:14:48.140 And now that he's kind of, like, adopted half-heartedly some of our rhetoric, people can see that for the cynical play that it is.

01:14:56.600 You know, he goes where the wind is blowing.

01:14:57.720 You're taking some of your, like, before they're pushing, like, that, remember that gay dude with a guitar?

01:15:01.500 Yes.

01:15:01.700 Like, I was saying.

01:15:02.300 Yes.

01:15:02.400 And now they're, like, pushing, like, that stuff, like, trannies for a minute.

01:15:05.400 It was, like, that's not conservative.

01:15:06.920 Right.

01:15:07.340 It's, like, come on.

01:15:08.160 Yeah.

01:15:08.400 So they came my way a little bit.

01:15:10.520 And, yeah.

01:15:11.740 They're going to have to keep pushing that way.

01:15:12.800 And I think they realize it.

01:15:13.580 Like I said, I have a private talk with one of those guys.

01:15:15.140 I think they're scared.

01:15:16.180 Yeah.

01:15:16.460 Oh, yeah.

01:15:16.760 I can see it.

01:15:17.260 They're, like, that's why they didn't want you in there.

01:15:19.240 Totally.

01:15:19.600 Well, that's why, you know, Candace Owens did her thing, and they're chanting Christ is King.

01:15:23.400 Yeah.

01:15:23.640 And it's like, you know, we've been chanting Christ is King in my thing for years.

01:15:27.080 So they're, like, well, now we want to do a Christ is King chant.

01:15:30.340 And so they see the energy is with us, has been with us for years, and now they want a little piece of that.

01:15:36.200 So they're trying to incorporate as much as possible without upsetting the donors to put up the money.

01:15:41.560 But they, but that will never work.

01:15:43.140 Because you can't, that's why.

01:15:44.860 Why America First is such a great slogan.

01:15:47.100 Because, you know, two countries can't occupy that slot.

01:15:49.840 It's either Israel or America.

01:15:51.300 And they're Israel first.

01:15:53.780 So.

01:15:54.080 It's a good turnout.

01:15:55.160 So far, there's a lot of people here.

01:15:56.700 I met Dr. Lupus.

01:15:58.480 Yeah.

01:15:58.880 I met, I know Lucas Gage has been so excited about coming.

01:16:01.780 He's been hyped up about this like it's Coachella for, like, six months.

01:16:05.200 Oh, yeah.

01:16:05.900 He's been not-stop tweeting who else is here.

01:16:08.220 So we're going to say he's probably flying in tomorrow.

01:16:10.340 We'll see.

01:16:11.240 It's maybe, you know.

01:16:12.280 I was pretty uncertain about it.

01:16:13.800 I was just in Minneapolis.

01:16:14.880 I thought, you know what?

01:16:16.620 Yeah.

01:16:17.100 I thought you weren't coming.

01:16:18.260 You came up, like, late last night.

01:16:19.340 Yeah.

01:16:19.580 I was like, let me just grow a pair and show up here.

01:16:21.900 Might as well.

01:16:22.360 Yeah.

01:16:22.500 I appreciate it.

01:16:23.320 Yeah.

01:16:23.520 Of course, man.

01:16:23.980 Thank you.

01:16:24.260 I think it's an important movement to bring people together and make alliances.

01:16:27.780 And, you know, some people, people will like try to buy it.

01:16:30.320 Well, you can just make over that.

01:16:32.120 And I'm like, it's the smallest thing I'm worried about.

01:16:33.960 We agree on the big stuff.

01:16:34.940 We have small stuff.

01:16:35.740 We can have private conversations about that.

01:16:37.320 We both want to make America a better place.

01:16:39.400 I don't care if it's a small thing to have to scream it on.

01:16:41.540 Absolutely.

01:16:41.800 And also, it's like all of anti-Israel Twitter is here.

01:16:45.160 It's like all the main people.

01:16:47.580 Is there, do you have any big announcements or any surprise guests?

01:16:52.240 Like, well, what can we expect at AFPAC tomorrow?

01:16:54.340 Well, there'll be some surprises, but I don't want to spoil any of that.

01:16:58.660 You've got to kind of just wait and see.

01:17:00.300 But, yeah, I mean, it's our biggest event yet.

01:17:02.980 We've sold more tickets than ever by a lot.

01:17:06.400 And so it's going to be pretty exciting.

01:17:08.540 But, you know, the thing is about AFPAC is it's such a special thing because it's the only place where you're going to get America first.

01:17:15.680 I mean, it's in our name.

01:17:17.120 And it's so shocking because, you know, people look at me like I'm just one guy.

01:17:22.100 Well, maybe some people do, but like I'm a guy among other guys with an opinion.

01:17:26.900 But what's unique about me and about this movement is we're literally, this is a big country.

01:17:31.600 We're the only ones saying this on the right or the left.

01:17:34.880 That's wild.

01:17:35.520 That's true.

01:17:36.280 Right?

01:17:36.600 Because you would think this is a country of 330 million people.

01:17:40.020 There's billions of dollars in politics.

01:17:42.520 Thousands of people are trying to make it in politics.

01:17:45.880 There's like one conference where you're allowed to say, fuck Israel.

01:17:50.420 Literally one.

01:17:51.840 And it's this one.

01:17:52.900 Yeah.

01:17:53.140 The hard part is all the money is on the other side.

01:17:55.000 Yeah.

01:17:55.940 Unfortunately, it's stuck between us having to sit there and organize how to figure this out.

01:17:59.140 We don't have money paying us.

01:18:00.320 No one's paying us to do this.

01:18:01.600 We're not making any money doing this.

01:18:03.240 It's way more likely to cost us money.

01:18:05.060 It's probably costing him millions of dollars.

01:18:06.740 Yeah.

01:18:07.020 You know, you could have been a big, you could have been, oh, pro Israel will be one of the

01:18:10.620 biggest commentators right now.

01:18:11.800 But it's like, we're taking sacrifices because it's really the only way to fix the country.

01:18:15.680 Absolutely.

01:18:15.980 But it doesn't work having that sort of fun.

01:18:17.640 It doesn't, like, if you walk around Turning Point, there's flashy lights and the TV screens

01:18:21.760 in the little curvy stadium or whatever.

01:18:25.440 It's just like, this is beyond.

01:18:26.720 Like, I saw Vivek there.

01:18:28.080 And I think he avoided us because maybe he didn't want to have the conversation.

01:18:31.240 Like, really?

01:18:32.160 Wow.

01:18:32.380 He definitely saw us.

01:18:33.020 No, I feel like against Vivek.

01:18:34.140 Like, but he was right there.

01:18:35.280 Like, immediately, like, when he saw us, he just, like, squirted it out on Twitter.

01:18:38.720 And I think he knows who I am.

01:18:39.640 And he's like, yeah, I don't know what he knows.

01:18:41.480 But it's just, like, it doesn't make sense for him.

01:18:43.780 It's just going to, there's more to lose than to gain from speaking to guys like us.

01:18:47.620 But that's where the energy is.

01:18:49.140 But it's also, like you said, more to lose, but it's changing.

01:18:51.100 Like you said, you might still be a little bit toxic and ostracized, but it's not like

01:18:54.600 it was, you know?

01:18:55.480 Yeah.

01:18:55.880 It's definitely, I'm sure you felt a big change, right?

01:18:57.860 Like, in the last, like, six months because you were completely ostracized.

01:19:00.860 It was crazy.

01:19:01.680 You were probably the most ostracized person in the country.

01:19:04.200 Yeah, I think I still am, but just slightly less than I was before.

01:19:07.960 Yeah, it's getting better.

01:19:10.460 I think that, you know, what's funny about these things is for the longest time, because

01:19:15.700 of the way, because of, like, the current sensibility, it feels like things could never

01:19:19.640 change.

01:19:20.420 If you, you know, you wake up in seven years ago and you're like, I know the truth, but

01:19:25.280 it's never going to change.

01:19:26.800 This is how it is.

01:19:27.500 This is how it's always going to be.

01:19:29.160 But if you think that, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

01:19:32.600 So somebody has to take that first step and say, no, it's not going to be this way.

01:19:37.580 And it takes time, but over time, people start to say it.

01:19:42.320 And then before you know it, you wake up and you're in a different country and you change

01:19:45.480 the rules.

01:19:45.660 Thank you for doing that, by the way, because, I mean, you did it before a lot of people

01:19:48.340 seen it.

01:19:48.700 You put a lot in line.

01:19:49.580 So hopefully it's all going to pay off.

01:19:51.300 I appreciate that.

01:19:52.060 Well, thank you guys.

01:19:52.880 I mean, you guys are not even political.

01:19:55.260 I'm a political guy.

01:19:56.340 You know, but you're a fighter, you're a streamer.

01:19:58.920 And like, you know, so people underestimate the, people have no idea, as you know, the

01:20:04.240 sacrifices you guys made to do this.

01:20:06.080 Nobody knows the hardship you go through when you say stuff like this, like what a fucking

01:20:10.960 nightmare it is.

01:20:12.460 When you go out on a limb against Israel, it's like opportunities disappear like that.

01:20:16.160 And no one ever says, Oh, I mean, some people do, but you know, the vast majority of people

01:20:22.100 never know the sacrifice you make or you make for saying this stuff.

01:20:25.740 Cause you know, I mean, you can say it, but people will just never understand this stream

01:20:30.260 specifically, even like a midstream where you're in the hotel room, I just got reinstated on

01:20:35.060 Twitch after two years.

01:20:36.060 And I'm like, if they're saying, don't do it, you know, change the, but it's just, this

01:20:39.740 is the most important conversation we can have.

01:20:41.500 So hopefully they don't take it away.

01:20:43.260 You know, it's nice to have one platform back, but if they do, then they do.

01:20:46.860 It was all supposed to happen.

01:20:48.480 Yeah.

01:20:48.760 But I saw you disavow some people recently.

01:20:51.480 You really posted a video waving goodbye to a former lawyer.

01:20:55.680 Laura Loomer.

01:20:56.260 Yeah.

01:20:56.440 Can you tell me a little bit about that?

01:20:57.580 What happened?

01:20:58.560 Well, you know, I love Laura Loomer.

01:21:00.780 I mean, we're friends.

01:21:01.660 I know we, we strongly disagree as we've been fighting on Twitter for like weeks now.

01:21:07.780 But I've known her for a long time and I, I admire a lot of qualities about her, but

01:21:13.100 you know, she came out to attack me because I was against, well, not against, but because

01:21:17.860 I said, I'm rethinking my support for Trump.

01:21:20.720 And she came out swinging and said, you know, you can't tell your followers not to vote for

01:21:25.140 Trump.

01:21:25.660 You're like, and she's trying to brand me as like an anti-Trump guy.

01:21:28.640 And, you know, it's, it's a, it's kind of a difficult thing because I noticed people

01:21:35.340 want me to be anti-Trump.

01:21:36.960 People want me to say, oh, F Trump, blah, blah, blah.

01:21:39.640 The New York Post called me some Jewish journalist and he's like, oh, you said you prefer Biden

01:21:44.760 on Palestine.

01:21:45.900 And he was like coaxing me to get to say, I'm going to vote for Biden.

01:21:49.040 So the headline could be, oh, the neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes supports Biden and all these,

01:21:54.320 you know, fag Republicans can have their, oh, the racists are over there.

01:21:58.060 We're the party of MLK and what, you know, Lincoln, that's their, you know, thing.

01:22:02.560 But I said, no, I'm not going to give you that headline.

01:22:04.600 I love Trump.

01:22:05.320 Trump is America first.

01:22:06.760 He created me in a sense.

01:22:08.160 I will never disavow Trump.

01:22:10.020 So, you know, but I, but I am as someone with credibility in the Trump movement saying,

01:22:14.880 hey, we got to rethink it.

01:22:17.200 And so Loomer came out swinging, I think, because, you know, she kind of has an ax to

01:22:21.340 grind against me because I've been so critical of Israel.

01:22:24.000 And I don't think she wants to hit me on that.

01:22:25.620 So she hits me on the Trump thing and she wants a job with Trump.

01:22:28.900 She thinks Trump's going to make her press secretary.

01:22:31.340 I love her.

01:22:32.120 I don't think it's going to happen.

01:22:33.320 Yeah, it's too whispery.

01:22:34.300 If you're going to think about somebody with that much power, somebody who's that vocal

01:22:36.960 on Twitter, like getting in that many battles, like why would you, that's not a good

01:22:41.040 idea.

01:22:41.520 Well, and they, Trump never rewards his loyalists.

01:22:44.080 That's, that's the sad thing is Loomer is like attacking me to get a job with Trump

01:22:48.760 and Trump, you know, I love Trump, but Trump lets these other people do the hiring and

01:22:53.380 firing.

01:22:53.740 He goes to the administration with the swamp, guys, they might compare it or whatever his

01:22:56.400 name is.

01:22:56.860 He doesn't, he doesn't pick the best people, unfortunately.

01:22:58.880 Yeah.

01:22:59.140 So Laura Loomer is going to be left high and dry.

01:23:01.320 That's my prediction.

01:23:02.340 Trump should hire the loyalists, right?

01:23:04.020 Yeah.

01:23:04.300 He, I mean, if, if I'm Trump, I'm giving Laura Loomer a job, but he won't.

01:23:08.500 She's, she might not be the best, but she's extremely loyal.

01:23:11.360 Exactly.

01:23:12.120 Well, I think she is the best.

01:23:13.420 She would be a better, a press secretary.

01:23:15.680 She's like a bulldog.

01:23:17.100 Like, she's attacked me too, which is, unfortunately, that's a private conversation.

01:23:20.340 She tweeted the FBI about what she said.

01:23:22.780 She's attacked me publicly, but I guess it shows you're loyal to him.

01:23:27.040 Why did you get attacked?

01:23:27.740 Same thing.

01:23:29.220 So I'm being critical of Trump.

01:23:30.640 And I, I've never disavowed Trump.

01:23:32.120 I've never said I'm not voting for him, but it's just like, see, he's a traitor, blah,

01:23:34.780 blah.

01:23:34.920 I try to turn people against me.

01:23:35.960 Like, I'm not just going to sit there and vow my, vow my loyalty to Trump.

01:23:39.300 He needs to earn it.

01:23:40.740 And I like Trump way better than Biden, but it doesn't mean, I mean, if I don't vote,

01:23:43.760 maybe I'll skip voting.

01:23:44.980 Yeah.

01:23:45.380 Same.

01:23:46.120 Yeah.

01:23:46.260 I don't know how to choose.

01:23:46.800 Tweeting at the FBI saying I'm a jihadist and like a terrorist and all this stuff.

01:23:50.720 It's just, I found it kind of silly, but yeah.

01:23:53.240 So do you, what was the slogan on day 24?

01:23:55.820 When you find out who the lawyers is, then you know the loyalist.

01:23:59.000 When you don't know where your lawyers is, you still have your loyalists.

01:24:02.440 Right.

01:24:03.180 Yeah.

01:24:03.660 And it's true.

01:24:04.300 I mean, he said that about me because I, I told him about my experience with Trump and

01:24:08.300 that's what I said even at the dinner.

01:24:10.440 You know, there's the famous dinner where we all went, me and Ye were at Mar-a-Lago with

01:24:14.680 Trump and people say, you know, what did you guys talk about?

01:24:17.420 And I told Trump, and he knows if he ever, I don't think he'll ever see this, but for

01:24:22.460 people that are interested, I told Trump, cause I was telling Ye, I was like, these are

01:24:26.840 things I don't like about Trump and these are the things you got to hit him on in the debate

01:24:30.140 because that's what we wanted him to do if he got on the debate stage in the primary.

01:24:34.940 And so we're at the dinner and it was a big love fest, you know, me and Ye are like, oh,

01:24:38.300 we love you, you know, you're the best, whatever.

01:24:40.380 And yeah, we were glazing Trump and Ye, cause you know, but I will, cause I love him.

01:24:45.580 But Ye was like, all right, tell him some of that other stuff you were telling me about

01:24:49.700 the other day.

01:24:50.380 And I was like, dude, do not make me like, you know, criticize Trump.

01:24:56.200 And Trump is like, no, come on, don't be bashful.

01:24:58.840 What is it?

01:24:59.300 You know, tell me what it is.

01:25:00.420 And I said, well, I said, listen, I said, I'm really in no position to criticize.

01:25:03.420 Like you're the guy you've been through so much.

01:25:05.280 You're just, you're like my hero.

01:25:06.460 I have nothing to say but thanks.

01:25:07.740 I said, but I said, I've been following you forever.

01:25:11.220 I said, and I want you to know, like, we're here for you.

01:25:14.880 We follow you, not the Republicans, not Kevin McCarthy, not Ronna McDaniel.

01:25:20.860 We're here for you.

01:25:22.260 I said, and in 2015, at the first debate, they had all the candidates on the stage and they

01:25:28.460 said, raise your hand if you are unwilling to support the eventual nominee.

01:25:33.840 And Trump raised his hand.

01:25:35.060 Nobody else did.

01:25:35.820 No one else did.

01:25:36.920 And they said, well, if you don't support the Republican nominee, surely Clinton will

01:25:42.100 get elected.

01:25:42.620 And, you know, you're okay with that.

01:25:44.600 And Trump said, well, I have a lot of leverage here.

01:25:47.000 I said, so I'd like to run as the Republican, but if I don't, I have leverage that I'm working

01:25:51.280 with.

01:25:51.820 And I told Trump, I said, I love that moment because it showed you were willing to let

01:25:55.700 the Republicans lose.

01:25:57.660 And that showed you're serious.

01:26:00.320 Because the way that they trap us is by saying, you have to vote for the Republican.

01:26:05.560 Because if you don't, the Democrats are going to win.

01:26:07.580 It's like, so you're telling me I can never not vote Republican, no matter how shitty they

01:26:12.420 are, no matter how America lasts, if it's John McCain, Mitt Romney, Trump, I always have

01:26:17.000 to vote.

01:26:17.320 Because Democrats are always going to run, and they're always going to be worse than

01:26:19.920 the Republican.

01:26:20.840 So you're telling me I'm signed, the Republican Party owns me forever.

01:26:24.920 And I said, that's the difference.

01:26:26.640 You were serious about taking over the party when you did that.

01:26:29.780 He would not do something like that today.

01:26:31.600 He endorsed Larry Hogan in Maryland for Senate.

01:26:34.500 Larry Hogan's been an anti-Trumper for 10 years.

01:26:37.140 It was J.D. Vance too, right?

01:26:38.520 Yeah.

01:26:39.060 Well, J.D. Vance came around, but yeah, he was a never-Trumper.

01:26:42.340 And Hogan rejected the endorsement.

01:26:45.600 So Trump said, even though you went against me in 2016 and in 2020, I endorse you.

01:26:51.060 And Larry Hogan said, thanks, but no thanks.

01:26:52.580 I don't want your endorsement.

01:26:53.800 That just goes to show this is not the same guy.

01:26:56.580 And so, you know, but that's what I told them then.

01:27:00.040 Which is a good answer, because it was criticizing while also showing something really positive.

01:27:03.860 That was a good chef's move on your part.

01:27:05.540 And I remember that moment.

01:27:07.740 And that was a moment where the MAGA movement became bigger than the Republican Party, which nobody ever had the balls to do.

01:27:12.720 It was always before in the Bush era, Obama era, it was like people go into the voting booth and they would just put all blue or all red.

01:27:19.000 And then Trump came along and said, well, let me go.

01:27:20.760 All of this is messed up from top to bottom, so let me create a movement that's bigger than that.

01:27:25.160 And that's what's going to continue.

01:27:26.260 That's like a pivotal moment that changed American politics forever.

01:27:29.020 It did, yeah.

01:27:29.880 Well, and that's why I'm forever grateful, because I framed it like this on Twitter, which I think was a good rhetorical innovation.

01:27:37.940 I said, you know, Trump made America first mainstream, because that had been around 100 years ago.

01:27:43.940 And he brought that back.

01:27:45.080 And it was very controversial, actually.

01:27:46.680 When he said America first, people came out and said, that's a Ku Klux Klan slogan, literally, which is total horseshit.

01:27:51.820 But that's what they said.

01:27:53.920 And when he said America first, when I was 18, I heard it.

01:27:58.200 And I said, Israel doesn't fit into this equation.

01:28:01.280 And that set me on the path that I'm on now.

01:28:03.860 And it's kind of this idea that, you know, the political constraints are as such now where maybe Trump could never win without supporting Israel.

01:28:12.100 But that won't be the case 10 years down the line or 20 years down the line.

01:28:15.900 So the way that I see it is it's like Trump started it.

01:28:19.940 He can't finish it.

01:28:21.000 But we, the young generation, we have to fulfill, like, the promise of America first.

01:28:27.440 He can't take it into the end zone.

01:28:29.280 We have to kind of take the ball from him as the succession.

01:28:32.520 And we need to bring it into the end zone over the course of generations.

01:28:36.080 Yeah, that's a perfect analogy.

01:28:38.340 What about, have you seen Daniel Blazerian come pretty public, which is one of Jake Shields' good friends.

01:28:43.020 I've met him a couple of times.

01:28:44.700 I think, yeah, I ended up having him.

01:28:46.580 Oh, you guys met him?

01:28:47.320 What was that really good?

01:28:48.060 I'm trying to go public now.

01:28:48.940 I don't know.

01:28:49.220 I think I'd probably find to.

01:28:50.280 Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, we follow each other on Twitter.

01:28:54.440 And we've, you know, I think maybe he's been seeing some of my stuff.

01:28:58.220 I've been replying to him and everything.

01:28:59.900 And as far as, you know, how much we've talked, that's up for him to, you know, if he wants to share that.

01:29:05.240 But, yeah, but it's really impressive because, like you and like you, this is a guy with a huge profile.

01:29:12.340 He's got a lot of money to lose, I think he already has.

01:29:14.260 Yeah.

01:29:14.440 Oh, we're good.

01:29:15.080 But he put integrity first.

01:29:16.340 He came out swinging aboard, and I thought, I became a little nudge to say, like, something.

01:29:19.680 And it was, boom.

01:29:20.440 I'm like, Dan, I think he ain't going that hard.

01:29:23.600 Yeah, fuck this really up.

01:29:24.660 It's like, okay.

01:29:25.540 He called me, he goes, hey, should I treat this?

01:29:27.340 I'm like, you're not calling the wrong person.

01:29:29.000 Don't ask me.

01:29:29.600 I'm going to tell you yes to anything you say.

01:29:32.380 Right.

01:29:33.480 Yeah, it's incredible.

01:29:35.000 I mean, and, you know, but it should really put these political people to shame.

01:29:38.560 That's what, that's my, not to be negative.

01:29:41.140 I mean, Dan Bilzerian, like, to me, that just shows he's such a real guy.

01:29:45.540 I think people think he's so many different.

01:29:47.320 But when you meet him, he realizes he's not the guy you thought he was.

01:29:49.660 And he's even, like, denounced, not as they've downounced.

01:29:51.920 He's saying the old way of living wasn't the way to live.

01:29:54.140 Right.

01:29:54.300 He's been in monogamy now.

01:29:55.520 He's learned, you know, a guy who dated 10 models at once being like,

01:29:58.500 you know, I prefer having a girlfriend living normal.

01:30:00.840 And he's at a point where he truly cares about his country.

01:30:03.580 He wants change, you know.

01:30:04.760 He's trying to figure out how.

01:30:05.760 That's why I think it's, you know, that's why I wanted you to talk to him.

01:30:08.520 I think he's a guy who somehow could be extremely valuable.

01:30:11.420 You know, I think he's at first like, oh, I don't think I'm going to be involved.

01:30:13.860 But then you see he just comes out swinging.

01:30:15.600 And he's someone that might be even going to politics.

01:30:17.160 People don't realize, like, how bright and sharp he is.

01:30:19.560 But I think some people see him on this base and, like, oh, this guy's actually smart.

01:30:22.640 Sharp.

01:30:23.120 Well.

01:30:23.400 He did a really good job against Trump Jr.

01:30:25.720 That was good.

01:30:27.400 Yeah, that was awesome.

01:30:28.700 Well, and he's, I think he's even been on some of the, he's on Piers Morgan.

01:30:32.240 He's been on some of the talk shows.

01:30:33.580 And he's very sharp.

01:30:34.680 And, you know, people want, it's interesting, where is the right-wing politics coming from?

01:30:40.560 It's actually coming from a somewhat unexpected source.

01:30:43.800 It's coming from fighters.

01:30:45.540 It's coming from the Red Pill community, like, pickup artists and dating coaches.

01:30:50.360 It's coming from Dan Bilzerian, who's, like, former military law enforcement.

01:30:54.100 He's still going to get kicked out of the sales, but almost a salesman.

01:30:56.060 Right.

01:30:56.720 Gambler.

01:30:57.360 And, you know, he's in that dating world, too.

01:30:59.460 It's coming from, it's really bifurcating along a gender line where it's all coming from a masculine place.

01:31:06.640 Like Trump.

01:31:07.260 Yeah, it's all masculine.

01:31:07.620 Where does Trump get the big crowd?

01:31:10.140 And it's, you know, some people might say, well, a sporting event.

01:31:12.760 Well, not just any sporting event.

01:31:14.300 He doesn't go out at the Super Bowl where you got, you know, Taylor Swift's boyfriend.

01:31:18.680 He goes out at the UFC at the fights.

01:31:20.640 He's been to a bunch of them now.

01:31:21.740 Yeah.

01:31:22.260 And he goes in there like a gangster with the entourage.

01:31:25.500 The music and data.

01:31:27.000 Yeah.

01:31:27.180 It's like he's going into the entourage and crazy.

01:31:29.080 He's like Al Capone.

01:31:30.060 He's like a fucking gangster.

01:31:31.180 He goes out there and the crowd goes nuts.

01:31:33.600 And it's this intense, masculine.

01:31:36.380 And like, and you know, you're a fighter.

01:31:38.780 It's no bullshit in the ring.

01:31:40.520 Nothing more real than fighting.

01:31:41.640 Exactly.

01:31:42.000 That's why most fighters are being conservative.

01:31:44.360 Exactly.

01:31:44.920 Because none of this fake stuff, none of this.

01:31:46.820 That's like maybe the last place.

01:31:48.960 Another angle is like where it's really actually, it's like real humanity.

01:31:53.480 It's like real life.

01:31:54.260 We live in these cities and everything's kind of fake.

01:31:56.680 You know, it's like air conditioning.

01:31:58.080 And, you know, people, I would say it this way.

01:32:01.220 No one's in danger.

01:32:02.360 Well, I shouldn't, in the cities you're in danger.

01:32:03.780 But you know what I mean.

01:32:04.900 Like, you go to like a shopping mall and you're just kind of like hanging.

01:32:08.340 Life for your average modern person is like, hey, what's for dinner tonight?

01:32:11.920 That's like the big question.

01:32:13.060 When you're in a fight, it's like a killer could kill.

01:32:15.000 It's like an animal instinct thing.

01:32:17.060 That's where the reactionary politics, that's where the right-wing politics is coming from.

01:32:21.520 So it's kind of an interesting thing.

01:32:22.900 Like, who are the people that are coming out with the truth?

01:32:25.060 It's not like conservatives like Patrick Dineen and these other, you know, Sourabh Amari from Yale.

01:32:30.960 It's real-ass niggas.

01:32:32.220 Real-ass niggas.

01:32:33.260 Hard-ass niggas going hard as fuck.

01:32:35.160 My nigga.

01:32:35.680 My nigga.

01:32:36.720 That's what it is.

01:32:38.520 My nigga.

01:32:43.500 That's a good point.

01:32:44.400 But what do you think that the correlation, can you explain more about that masculine correlation with politics?

01:32:50.760 Because I've seen a lot of fighters are speaking up about Israel.

01:32:53.760 Like, I think you're leading the charge 100%.

01:32:55.740 But I spoke to Martin Vittori the other day, and I saw his tweets, and he was really public about being anti-Netanyahu.

01:33:02.220 What do you think that correlation is?

01:33:03.740 Because I haven't heard about that before.

01:33:05.980 I think this has the whole fight so real, so we speak our mind more.

01:33:09.160 I'm not really sure about the Israel thing, but I think for, obviously, for the lockdowns and the vaccines, fighters are like, oh, this shit's ridiculous.

01:33:15.300 There was actually never really politics and fighting until recently, and it got forced on us.

01:33:19.620 Black Lives Matter was really interesting, because all these other sports were kneeling, going, going down.

01:33:23.740 There's tons of black fighters, but I think only one guy went and did that.

01:33:26.480 And nothing against them.

01:33:27.260 I'm not going to knock them for it.

01:33:28.460 I'm not going to, you can do what you want.

01:33:30.600 But it was so nice, so refreshing, because they weren't doing Black Lives Matter.

01:33:33.280 Dana wasn't trying to force it in anyone.

01:33:34.980 And for one second, they tried to put the gay stuff on there, but that went away.

01:33:38.620 And we don't want to wear the gay stuff on the shorts.

01:33:40.440 So it's such a real tough sport, it makes you think differently, so I guess.

01:33:45.680 Well, and it's just like, because they're all like the most masculine men, like the highest testosterone, most competitive, most violent men,

01:33:55.120 they have a completely different personality type than other people.

01:33:58.440 It's such a feminine society.

01:33:59.800 And when you think about how people are controlled, specifically with political correctness, it's all about shame and conformity.

01:34:06.620 It's always about saying, oh, you're a bad person, and you won't be accepted in polite society.

01:34:11.840 Like, you'll be ostracized.

01:34:13.140 And feminine people who are high in agreeableness, who want to get along, and they just want to make peace, and they just want to put everybody together,

01:34:19.640 they're like, oh, okay, okay, okay, you know, we don't want to offend, we don't want to hurt anybody.

01:34:23.620 We don't want to avoid confrontation as much as possible.

01:34:25.240 Exactly.

01:34:25.680 But fighters say, I don't give a shit, you can't control me, oh, you think, you know, I'll fuck you up.

01:34:31.800 You can't control me.

01:34:32.940 Exactly.

01:34:33.400 Yeah, so that's why it's Kanye, and that's why it's you, it's you, it's, you know, it's even someone like me.

01:34:37.600 People that aren't used to being controlled, yeah.

01:34:38.940 Exactly.

01:34:39.460 And that's what the system...

01:34:40.520 Kanye's like an artist, too.

01:34:41.220 Maybe he's not like fighter type style, but he's still like an artist, independent thinker.

01:34:44.180 Well, and he's high test, and he's like, he's got that streak where he's like, I can't be managed, I can't be controlled, and that is what the system fears.

01:34:52.140 The system, you know, not, you know, like the matrix or whatever you want to call it, they want men to be like these pussies that are like, yes, dear, you know, they listen to their wives,

01:35:01.700 and they're just kind of like, they hate the idea that there are going to be men that have their own money, that have balls,

01:35:07.640 or maybe even men that don't care about money, and don't care about women, and men that are just like, you know what, like, what I care about is money.

01:35:13.740 It's like Scarface.

01:35:14.820 All I got is my word of my balls.

01:35:16.320 I don't break that for anybody.

01:35:17.900 That's the kind of person that they're afraid of, and I think they're trying to basically just de-beak and neuter every male,

01:35:26.020 because if they didn't do that, people would get up and say, you know what, like, our borders are open,

01:35:30.300 we're being forcibly vaccinated, we're being forced to bow down and obey this foreign country,

01:35:35.580 and go and fight and die for them, and, like, Ukraine and Iran, we're not going to do that, you know, like...

01:35:40.060 And it's like you said, even this is something Ye said, which surprised me.

01:35:44.440 He said, you know, I'm 46 years old.

01:35:46.960 I'm a father.

01:35:48.000 You know, I actually care about things like taxes now.

01:35:50.480 I care about politics now, because I have kids.

01:35:53.620 And so now it actually matters deeply to me and to my family, like, how things are going.

01:35:58.280 And that's the profile of a person that they can't abide.

01:36:01.740 They want everybody to just be complacent with, you know, vote red, vote blue, pay your taxes, you know,

01:36:07.400 watch your gay Star Wars, watch the Acolyte, you know, and put up with this.

01:36:11.820 The people that won't do it are fighters.

01:36:13.520 Yeah, look at, like, Hollywood and TV, like, how much weak men, they push weak, dumb men,

01:36:17.180 like, all the shows want them, like, dumb, weak, bad.

01:36:19.440 Yeah.

01:36:19.920 They put, like, women superheroes kicking ass.

01:36:22.200 Yeah, right.

01:36:22.820 They're purposely trying to push it to seem like it has to be.

01:36:25.380 100, yeah.

01:36:26.020 Yeah, and that, like, dude, it's all, Star Wars has been totally ruined.

01:36:30.780 It's, like, all women now.

01:36:31.940 And I love Star Wars.

01:36:33.020 I know Andrew Tate would probably hate that or whatever.

01:36:35.460 He hates Star Wars.

01:36:36.460 He had a great rant, one of those tweets, just going off on Star Wars.

01:36:38.980 Yeah, I love Star Wars.

01:36:40.320 I love Star Wars, but he put, it was, like, the funniest tweet that he put on that.

01:36:43.460 Yeah, and he's so funny, but, yeah, but, I mean, I love Star Wars, and every Jedi now is, like, a fucking girl.

01:36:49.480 Every hero's a girl.

01:36:51.500 And, you know, when you really think about it, men are not allowed.

01:36:55.560 I know it's, like, such a basic take, but it's, like, men are not allowed to be men.

01:36:58.920 More like the big stars now.

01:37:01.040 The big stars are, like, Timothee Chalamet and Tom Holland.

01:37:05.160 And in every movie, they're either gay or they're dating a black girl who's, like, a boss bitch.

01:37:09.320 And they all have that same personality where they're, like, you ain't shit.

01:37:12.560 You know, that's, like, Dune 2 was two and a half hours of Zendaya saying to the fucking Chosen One.

01:37:16.800 The Challengers was the same thing.

01:37:17.780 You ain't shit.

01:37:18.780 You ain't shit.

01:37:19.380 Like, it's ain't shit.

01:37:20.100 And then the two guys are, like, kissing and being gay over some of them.

01:37:22.240 Yeah, exactly.

01:37:23.320 Like, gay stuff on, even, like, kids TV.

01:37:25.560 Like, I've seen my friends come over.

01:37:26.940 There was, like, I don't know, something, I was, like, seven or eight.

01:37:28.660 And there was, like, kids kissing, boys kissing.

01:37:30.400 Yeah.

01:37:30.720 It's, like, ridiculous to put Zep on there.

01:37:32.400 And those are the two, like, white actors.

01:37:35.000 When they want to bring in, like, an actual alpha male, it's Jason Momoa, some, like, brown guy.

01:37:40.060 It's the rock.

01:37:40.960 You know, it's some brown guy.

01:37:42.660 So there's a racial aspect to it as well.

01:37:44.960 But even a lot, they emasculate a lot of the black people, too.

01:37:47.780 They put them in dresses and stuff now, too, a lot.

01:37:49.540 Right, yeah.

01:37:50.260 Kid Cudi.

01:37:51.040 They're putting in, like, the one battle player as, like, a trans kid.

01:37:53.800 Yeah.

01:37:53.940 Like, they're trying to do a nice way to black men now, too.

01:37:56.680 Yeah, it's unfortunate.

01:37:57.560 I was with Stu Peters in Minneapolis today, yesterday.

01:38:00.700 And we were doing street interviews.

01:38:02.560 And it was just really sad, because, like, Stu was the example of, like, the 80s white dude

01:38:06.760 who grew up watching, like, Sylvester Stallone and Die Hard with, like, you're from that era.

01:38:13.140 Yeah, that's my era.

01:38:13.940 Where superheroes were, like, buff white dudes, like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

01:38:18.120 And so we're doing street interviews, and Stu's walking around there with, like, that 80s mentality.

01:38:21.700 And then all the people that we're interviewing were just, like, you ain't fucked up!

01:38:25.320 We're asking about George Floyd.

01:38:26.240 And then there was, like, one white dude.

01:38:27.600 And the only white dude who was, like, 19 years old, and he had, like, the clout goggles

01:38:31.360 on.

01:38:32.040 Oh, brother, yeah.

01:38:32.980 And he's like, hey, how much you paying me for this interview, Jim?

01:38:35.460 And then it's just, like...

01:38:36.520 And I look at...

01:38:37.300 I never really understood that sadness, but I look at his face, and he's looking at this

01:38:41.200 guy with, like, a sense of sadness, because there's no white culture.

01:38:44.920 Yeah.

01:38:45.260 There's no white role models.

01:38:46.780 And so naturally, they're just going to gravitate towards this thug culture that's been

01:38:49.680 sought by Zionists to brainwash people to think that being a criminal is cool.

01:38:53.440 Yeah.

01:38:54.000 Yeah, look, Gangster App, look who funded all that, and he was able to do that.

01:38:57.960 Well, yeah, there's just, like, no white masculinity.

01:39:00.540 And even, like...

01:39:01.840 I love...

01:39:02.320 Don't get me wrong.

01:39:03.000 I think it's very positive that people are doing the weightlifting, and people are getting

01:39:05.880 into fighting sports and everything.

01:39:07.300 But I also wonder, because I'm obviously not in the...

01:39:09.840 I'm not in athletics.

01:39:10.720 I'm not in the best stuff.

01:39:11.820 You get in there, actually.

01:39:12.460 Yeah, well, you get me in the gym one of these days.

01:39:14.600 Yeah, come on, Vegas, we eat me, Dan.

01:39:16.300 Yeah, we get trained.

01:39:17.240 Yeah, just don't put me with strict...

01:39:19.040 If you put me in a ring with Strickland, I'm going to fucking explode.

01:39:21.760 I told him not to do it, so...

01:39:23.880 Yeah.

01:39:24.460 I mean, Stiko can take it.

01:39:25.840 If that guy hits me, I'm just going to, like, burst it.

01:39:27.780 It's going to be a red mist.

01:39:28.960 I want you to meet Strickland so bad.

01:39:31.180 Yeah.

01:39:31.520 Because he's speaking about America first, and he's talking about this issue, and he's

01:39:35.180 saying that we shouldn't go and say free Palestine because America should say American.

01:39:39.400 He's anti-immigration.

01:39:41.080 But what's your read on Strickland?

01:39:43.020 Well, I think that, I don't know how open he is to hearing other ideas, but knowing a

01:39:51.320 little bit about his backstory, it seems like that might make him apprehensive about embracing

01:39:56.020 something more radical, because, you know, his father was, like, a neo-Nazi or something.

01:39:59.120 He was a neo-Nazi.

01:40:00.080 Yeah.

01:40:00.800 No, Strickland himself was a neo-Nazi.

01:40:01.960 Yeah, yeah, but because of his father, and then he kind of left that behind when he

01:40:06.040 said he went to a gym and he met, like, black people or whatever.

01:40:08.340 So I think because of his own past, he might be reluctant to embrace something more radical.

01:40:13.560 I think for people that have an aversion to, like, white identity, libertarianism is more

01:40:18.000 attractive to them.

01:40:19.320 So he gets into this, like, oh, I'm just for, like, liberty or whatever, as opposed to the

01:40:23.800 idea that the world is full of different races, different races, religions, different

01:40:27.500 types of people.

01:40:29.520 So that's kind of my read on him, but I don't know how open he'd be to...

01:40:32.840 I think he'd be brought along.

01:40:34.340 I know him.

01:40:35.120 I haven't personally had deep conversation about any of that stuff.

01:40:37.480 I know originally he was definitely pro-Israel.

01:40:39.360 I think he shifted a little bit.

01:40:41.080 I would love to sit there and have, like, you know, a good hour.

01:40:43.280 I'm always in the gym with him, so it's where it's hard to have where he can't, like, sit

01:40:45.900 down and have a really good in-depth conversation, but I think he'd be willing to probably do

01:40:49.900 that.

01:40:50.220 That's why he's so popular is because there's a lack of white, strong, high testosterone

01:40:54.680 in masculine role models, and that's, like, Sean Strickland is that guy for somebody

01:40:58.260 who whites is right now.

01:40:59.040 They cheer him on like he's a superhero.

01:41:01.340 Yeah.

01:41:01.460 So if you were going to get it, like, if he would watch, like, America First, imagine

01:41:05.460 he goes on Cozy TV that he red-pills the rest of the world.

01:41:08.800 Like, that whole MAGA movement that thinks that Israel's our greatest ally, if they would

01:41:12.880 flip, like, America, I think that's the last domino before everything turns.

01:41:17.800 Basically, I need to start talking to Sean, it sounds like.

01:41:20.180 Yeah.

01:41:20.780 All right.

01:41:21.160 I'm sorry.

01:41:21.320 You've got to push him along.

01:41:22.280 Yeah.

01:41:22.440 Tell him to watch Cozy.TV.

01:41:25.160 I'd love to talk to him.

01:41:26.200 Yeah, I mean, but, yeah, that's the thing.

01:41:28.260 I was going to say, though, I mean, what about, like, the old school, like, Paul Newman, like,

01:41:33.540 Steve McQueen?

01:41:34.440 I feel like now.

01:41:35.100 The South Silent type.

01:41:36.320 Well, not even just that, but now I feel like for you to be a masculine white guy, you've

01:41:41.480 got to be, like, a bodybuilder.

01:41:42.860 You know, you've got to be, like, in the, you've got to be taking creatine or you've got

01:41:46.460 to be on tea or something.

01:41:47.520 Yeah.

01:41:47.980 And it's like, what happened to just being, like, a masculine white guy who's just, like, I'm

01:41:52.980 just not going to take shit from women or from the government?

01:41:55.620 Now it's like you're either a total pussy or you're, like, a hyper-masculine, like, you're

01:41:59.600 on testosterone and you're, like, a bodybuilder.

01:42:01.960 And I feel like you've got to just bring back masculinity just being the norm.

01:42:06.260 You know, you don't have to be a bodybuilder to be a man.

01:42:09.000 Now it's like...

01:42:09.480 It should be normal, like, how you act.

01:42:10.520 I'd say you're masculine, but it's not normal.

01:42:11.840 It shouldn't be normal to just speak your real mind.

01:42:13.500 Exactly.

01:42:13.780 It shouldn't be, like, freakish if you speak your real opinions.

01:42:16.640 Exactly, yeah.

01:42:17.900 So that'd be, like, my, like, more heterodox, my hot take.

01:42:23.080 Like the madman white guy.

01:42:24.460 Yeah, it's more like that, or, you know, like the Paul Newman, like the...

01:42:29.360 Who's that?

01:42:30.040 He's an old actor from, like, old Hollywood.

01:42:32.480 Okay.

01:42:33.120 Yeah.

01:42:33.260 You've seen that prison movie?

01:42:34.600 The Golden Age Hollywood.

01:42:35.520 And, uh, yeah, yeah, he was actually, yes.

01:42:38.560 No, no, you're thinking of The Great Escape with, uh, Steve McQueen, I think, right?

01:42:42.620 No, no, no.

01:42:42.840 Or no, that was Paul Newman.

01:42:44.260 Paul Newman's one of that southern jail, and he's there.

01:42:46.980 He gets arrested for, uh, destroying the parking meters.

01:42:50.240 Oh.

01:42:51.300 No, that's...

01:42:52.180 You're thinking of a brother where art thou?

01:42:54.000 No, no, no.

01:42:54.760 Um, I don't know.

01:42:56.880 It doesn't matter, but, um...

01:42:58.140 Yeah, cool hand Luke.

01:42:59.400 Cool hand Luke!

01:43:00.160 Is that Paul Newman?

01:43:01.100 Yes.

01:43:01.700 Okay, okay, yeah.

01:43:02.940 Yeah, that definitely needs to come back.

01:43:04.760 But you make a good point about Dan Bozarian, uh, potentially running for getting into politics.

01:43:09.000 It sounds crazy, but I think he could do it.

01:43:10.680 He has the same background as Donald Trump.

01:43:11.940 Exactly, he'd come in, he's smart, this is him speaking with zero handles, not, not much knowledge.

01:43:16.860 Imagine if he actually had the people to help keep, you know, some advisors.

01:43:19.740 I think it's possible some of them come in and do something big.

01:43:22.460 And he's, he's not for sale, he generally wants to save the country.

01:43:25.320 He has to find guys that aren't for sale.

01:43:26.900 Yeah.

01:43:27.340 When they go, here's your hundred million, he's like, fuck you, I already have the money, I don't need it.

01:43:31.120 Well, that was the big appeal of Donald Trump initially, is he came out and said, I'm going to self-funder.

01:43:35.760 I don't need your money, he would say to the donors.

01:43:38.780 Then he took all the donor money, then he took, like, a billion dollars.

01:43:41.940 So, but that was, you know, and that's one of the things, I'm like, people forget that nine years ago, he said,

01:43:48.260 he literally went to the Republican-Jewish coalition and said, you're not going to like this, and you're not going to like me,

01:43:53.900 because I'm not going to take your money.

01:43:55.820 And people forget that, like, that's the kind of guy he used to be now.

01:43:58.540 Yeah, we guys that aren't for sale, you know, and even like me, I'm not, I'm not willing to sell my soul.

01:44:03.360 It's like, you know, I don't want to run out of politics, but it's not the thing, maybe I have to.

01:44:06.920 It might be, no one's going to change it, but us.

01:44:09.040 I wish someone was, someone else was doing it.

01:44:10.680 And when we're going to start speaking up, like someone, everyone kept telling us someone else about it.

01:44:13.700 I'm like, who?

01:44:14.280 Who else is speaking up?

01:44:15.480 A couple other people.

01:44:16.660 If I don't do it, who's going to do it?

01:44:17.840 I mean, you were obviously ahead of me, you were ahead of me, but there wasn't very many people.

01:44:21.660 It's still, the list is still extremely small.

01:44:23.720 It's still pretty low, exactly.

01:44:24.920 I don't want to do this.

01:44:25.860 I doubt that you guys want to do this either, but I feel like I had no choice.

01:44:28.800 You could be a big mainstream, a Daily Wire commentator.

01:44:32.140 You probably have a show like, uh, that Knowles guy or something.

01:44:35.220 Yeah, right.

01:44:36.040 But then do what?

01:44:36.840 I mean, one thing I've realized is that having that respect and having dignity and stuff like

01:44:40.720 that, being able to sleep at night, knowing that you're fighting, that's priceless.

01:44:44.200 Like, if you had a Daily Wire show, speaking about this every week, you're going to have

01:44:48.280 a little bit of extra money, and then you're going to spend it on degenerate things.

01:44:51.120 You're going to spend it on alcohol and sleeping with girls and doing things that satisfy today

01:44:56.940 instead of the afterlife and instead of something that's greater than you.

01:45:00.100 Yeah.

01:45:00.400 Well, you have one life.

01:45:01.920 You have one life, and people don't realize how fragile it is.

01:45:04.940 Everybody takes it for granted.

01:45:06.380 They think, I'm going to live to be 80 years old.

01:45:08.520 We could all walk outside now and just fucking die.

01:45:11.180 And it's like, if you're Michael Knowles or you're Matt Walsh, and you're on your, you

01:45:15.120 know, you get, and I, well, I don't want to mix it like, make it sound like violence

01:45:18.940 or whatever, but let's say you're one of those people and something horrible happens and

01:45:22.020 you're laying there bleeding out.

01:45:23.420 Are you going to think, oh, I'm so glad that I was like, that I was subtle and smart about

01:45:28.880 it and I took all the money.

01:45:30.820 Yeah, I sold out and I lived a comfortable life.

01:45:33.780 No, you're, you're going to have regrets.

01:45:35.480 And like that, to me, that has always been my North Star is like, I could die any day.

01:45:40.120 I want to make my life count.

01:45:41.720 And you know, when we all die, we face a judgment with God and what, what lasts in eternity are

01:45:47.460 the moral decisions that we make.

01:45:49.260 It's what we say, it's what we do.

01:45:50.780 And at the end of the day, people have to recognize that you cannot make moral compromises.

01:45:56.020 People do every day, but you're not supposed to, you know, people lie every day and they

01:46:00.520 go on, they persist it with complacency and evil things.

01:46:03.880 And because they get used to it, because it's habitual, they think it's not bad.

01:46:07.640 You're not supposed to do it.

01:46:09.800 And people don't take that seriously enough.

01:46:12.020 Everybody thinks it's just a big game.

01:46:13.560 And I never thought any of that was fulfilling.

01:46:15.560 It's like you said, you'd be Michael Knowles or one of these guys.

01:46:18.520 And Michael Knowles knows way more than he lets on.

01:46:20.960 He's as red-filled as we are.

01:46:22.180 He's just a liar.

01:46:23.440 You know, but you're one of those guys and you convince yourself that like you're part

01:46:27.140 of the solution somehow while you take with both hands and make a lot of money and live

01:46:31.460 a comfortable, easy life.

01:46:32.620 I don't know how that would be fulfilling.

01:46:34.220 I don't know what that would be.

01:46:34.780 I don't think it is, you know, it's like I thought I was going to lose like millions

01:46:37.340 of dollars when I spoke up.

01:46:38.260 Luckily, the deal, you know, as a Jewish guy, luckily we're still buying these.

01:46:41.580 He believes in freedom of speech and we can disagree on things.

01:46:43.780 But I thought I was going to lose a lot of money when I spoke up.

01:46:45.860 But I was like, you know what?

01:46:46.800 The truth is more important than the money.

01:46:48.680 Maybe you'll be in the Mr. What's their cartoon on Daily Wire?

01:46:51.820 You see that stupid.

01:46:52.560 Oh my God.

01:46:53.060 Yeah, maybe if you sell out, you can get animated.

01:46:56.020 A role as a voice actor.

01:46:58.900 And then Daily Wire.

01:46:59.780 This guy hit me up.

01:47:01.040 He was Charles Johnson.

01:47:02.280 He said he worked with Ben Shapiro.

01:47:03.520 Yeah.

01:47:03.680 And he watched and I talked to him.

01:47:05.900 Maybe he just hates him.

01:47:06.820 I can't say for sure.

01:47:07.520 But he says he's Israeli intelligence of his own eyes.

01:47:10.060 He saw him taking orders.

01:47:11.380 Like what to say and do is crazy.

01:47:12.960 Yeah, I know Charles Johnson.

01:47:14.480 Yeah, like I just talked to him on Twitter.

01:47:15.960 I'm like, wow, this is crazy.

01:47:17.640 Yeah, he did claim that about them.

01:47:19.300 What has been the major benefit?

01:47:20.520 I think the last time we spoke, you were on my stream and you said, Elon, just give me my fucking Twitter back.

01:47:26.000 Yes.

01:47:26.720 So how has it been since you've been back on X?

01:47:29.740 It's awesome.

01:47:30.380 I totally missed it.

01:47:31.520 And it's just good to have a voice again, you know, and to kind of achieve some level of normalcy.

01:47:38.740 You know, I mean, you start to feel like you're not even a human being anymore because it's like I'm banned from everything.

01:47:43.480 I just get kicked out of everything for having the wrong opinion.

01:47:47.480 So, I mean, it's really like elevated my soul.

01:47:50.240 I feel like a person that I get to like commiserate with the rest of the people.

01:47:54.500 And, you know, what's funny is when Elon brought me back, he said, well, may he be ratioed and may he be community noted into oblivion.

01:48:03.180 It's like, I don't think I got community noted once.

01:48:05.780 I don't think I got ratioed once.

01:48:07.640 It's the opposite.

01:48:08.540 I'm ratioing everybody else.

01:48:10.120 I'm community notes everybody else.

01:48:12.040 And it just speaks to the fact that it's like there's this irrepressible will in the country right now.

01:48:18.260 I'm an avatar of it.

01:48:20.180 It can't be stopped with censorship.

01:48:22.020 It wasn't stopped with censorship over the past three years.

01:48:25.620 And, you know, I think people watch it.

01:48:28.020 And I've talked to some Jewish people, and they know I'm not an evil guy.

01:48:32.220 I think over time, to my audience, it's going to sound like cucking.

01:48:36.580 To their audience, it's going to sound crazy.

01:48:38.280 But I think over time, we will achieve mutual understanding.

01:48:41.500 I think over time, it's like I said before, you wake up one day and you think it's impossible.

01:48:46.880 Then one day we're going to wake up and society will have changed.

01:48:49.740 And I think that happens when you let everybody on the platform and everyone gets to talk and see how everybody feels.

01:48:54.560 And, you know, these things have a way of resolving themselves.

01:48:57.040 So I'm optimistic about it.

01:48:59.260 The crazy thing, when they silence you, you literally can't defend yourself.

01:49:02.460 So they're calling you a Nazi.

01:49:03.540 So it's all I'm hearing is you're this terrible Nazi, awful person.

01:49:06.940 And then they're like, well, I'm terrible.

01:49:08.160 What was his name again?

01:49:10.040 Yeah, because your numbers are talking to you.

01:49:11.940 I'm like, oh, and I look a couple clips up.

01:49:13.440 You're not saying the things I was told.

01:49:15.060 So it's just so unfair that they can do that.

01:49:16.780 Take your voice and make you out to be whoever they want to be.

01:49:19.100 Yeah, exactly.

01:49:19.900 I must have felt terrible.

01:49:20.760 You couldn't even defend yourself.

01:49:22.240 It did, yeah.

01:49:22.920 And, I mean, even people that I knew, like my friend group in high school.

01:49:26.520 I knew all these guys in high school, you know, my core group or whatever.

01:49:29.900 None of them wanted to talk to me after.

01:49:31.640 They were probably just scared of ostracization.

01:49:34.440 That's how bad they made it.

01:49:35.520 Yeah.

01:49:35.920 No, some of them, they genuinely believe I'm evil.

01:49:38.360 Some of them do, but some are probably scared to talk to you.

01:49:40.680 Because people get really scared of social pressure.

01:49:43.240 Yeah, 100%.

01:49:44.060 It's a very sad situation.

01:49:47.600 But, you know, the thing, I don't like to feel,

01:49:50.060 I like to tell people about it because then people know, like, the gravity of it,

01:49:54.520 the severity of it.

01:49:55.460 But at the same time, you know, I take some solace in the fact that Jesus was crucified.

01:50:00.540 And it's like, if God could be, I know you don't believe this,

01:50:03.060 but, and, you know, you're not even really Christian, but.

01:50:05.900 Yeah, no, no, I'm not, but by respect, it's Christianity and Islam.

01:50:09.060 But if God could become incarnate in man and die on the cross for our sins,

01:50:13.600 and he literally came to save the world and is perfect, and he was killed,

01:50:17.200 it's like, you can't feel bad that you get banned on Twitter for being anti-Israel.

01:50:20.940 That's an excellent way of looking at it.

01:50:22.120 That puts it in perspective.

01:50:23.220 You can't play the victim up.

01:50:23.660 He had it a lot harder than you did.

01:50:25.060 Exactly, exactly.

01:50:26.340 And there is something there, like, I think playing the victim card is super weak.

01:50:29.940 We have to always frame things in a way that makes it stoic and strong.

01:50:34.100 You know, because I feel like even with the Palestinian stuff,

01:50:36.660 and you get why, because they are, like, being really hurt.

01:50:38.920 They are the victim.

01:50:39.460 But they don't think of themselves as the victim.

01:50:42.200 It's like, this is all supposed to happen,

01:50:43.800 and they find strength in something extremely terrible.

01:50:47.080 They find strength in genocide.

01:50:48.460 Yeah, and I love that way of reframing it in a way where it's like,

01:50:52.920 we have the strength.

01:50:53.880 I think that rhetorically, it's so much more powerful.

01:50:56.600 And that just speaks to the movement at large.

01:50:58.500 If it's always negative, if it's always oppositional,

01:51:00.920 if it's always boo-hoo, poor me, we can't get ahead,

01:51:04.600 I think that's very unattractive.

01:51:06.040 I think what's attractive is saying, we're going to win.

01:51:08.860 Like, we have this faith that, like, it's almost an irrational faith,

01:51:13.100 this, like, power of belief.

01:51:14.720 That's what inspires people even more than.

01:51:16.860 Yeah, victim mentality is the worst in all aspects of life.

01:51:19.520 Totally.

01:51:20.420 And, like, the Palestinians, what they call them martyrs and stuff,

01:51:22.700 even, like, a way of more respect instead of just victims.

01:51:25.120 Right, exactly, yeah.

01:51:26.560 How do you get past that?

01:51:28.100 That's something, like, since I've been banned, it's like,

01:51:30.580 I get annoyed that people don't understand how difficult it could be.

01:51:34.460 And I get that victim thing sometimes.

01:51:36.600 But, overall, you're like, I think we had a call one time,

01:51:38.800 you have to be their fearless leader.

01:51:41.220 Yes.

01:51:41.640 You're right, that's what people want.

01:51:43.160 They want undying strength.

01:51:45.060 How do you, do you have those moments, or are you just, you know, fully?

01:51:48.600 I do.

01:51:49.200 I mean, yeah, to be candid, I mean, let's, there have been some very dark moments.

01:51:53.200 I mean, especially after January 6th,

01:51:54.960 they were really coming from my head in a lot of ways,

01:51:57.140 where they froze all my money, and I thought I was going to get thrown in jail,

01:52:00.360 and I was put on a no-fly list, and really had a lot of problems.

01:52:04.320 But that's when you really have to dig deep and kind of confront, like,

01:52:08.640 who you really are.

01:52:09.960 In a way, kind of, you have to commune with God.

01:52:13.220 I think that's the only thing.

01:52:14.200 Because if you, on some level,

01:52:16.280 we're not just fighting a battle of convincing people, like,

01:52:20.560 what to care about.

01:52:21.760 We're, like, fighting a battle of, like, you should care, period.

01:52:26.400 You know, because it's so easy to say,

01:52:28.720 to just kind of, like, embrace apathy or indifference.

01:52:32.080 And I think that comes from, like, a materialism,

01:52:35.880 this belief that, like, this is all there is,

01:52:38.500 this life, this temporary life.

01:52:41.040 And so to kind of get to strength,

01:52:43.180 it's in recognizing the fundamental nature of things,

01:52:45.640 which is that it's all temporary.

01:52:47.740 Everything passes.

01:52:48.660 Everything we do, the world does,

01:52:51.760 our problems do, our victories, our defeats.

01:52:55.400 It's all temporary.

01:52:56.800 And so you really have to dig deep

01:52:59.180 and find something profound to go through these things.

01:53:02.840 And I really believe that, like, believe it or not,

01:53:06.400 it's, in a way, this is actually a good process

01:53:09.060 because the strongest steel is forged by the hottest fire.

01:53:12.880 And the people that are best suited to lead

01:53:14.900 are the people that have that depth.

01:53:16.720 And I'm not saying necessarily it's me.

01:53:18.100 It's whoever.

01:53:19.000 But it's the people that have that depth of soul,

01:53:20.940 that character.

01:53:22.080 Right now, we have a system,

01:53:23.500 and the people that are in charge

01:53:24.560 are, like, the most ruthless,

01:53:25.960 the people that are willing to kill,

01:53:27.280 the people that are willing to lie.

01:53:28.260 Sell themselves.

01:53:29.100 Exactly.

01:53:29.980 And we need to really save society.

01:53:32.240 We need a new class of men.

01:53:33.820 We need a new generation of men

01:53:35.320 that they're going to be the leaders

01:53:36.940 because they dug deep

01:53:38.840 and have the most profound soul.

01:53:41.460 They have the most profound experience.

01:53:43.280 And only those people can go through

01:53:45.120 the darkest, most difficult things like this.

01:53:47.660 And not saying, like, hey,

01:53:48.600 being banned on Twitter is the worst thing.

01:53:50.680 But, like, people underestimate

01:53:52.680 how difficult the social proof is.

01:53:54.880 Peter denied Jesus three times

01:53:56.780 because of social pressure.

01:53:58.060 You can't underestimate that as a force.

01:54:00.780 Ostracism.

01:54:01.860 So, anyway.

01:54:03.480 So, yeah, you really have to...

01:54:05.000 If I was just some piece-of-shit grifter

01:54:06.960 or some materialist

01:54:09.120 who didn't really believe in this stuff,

01:54:10.580 I'd be like,

01:54:11.640 hey, man, like,

01:54:12.820 why am I even doing this?

01:54:14.040 I just want to go...

01:54:14.960 My mom told me,

01:54:16.020 this is why you can never...

01:54:17.000 And I love my mother,

01:54:18.040 but...

01:54:18.460 And I don't want to throw under the bus.

01:54:20.420 But, you know,

01:54:20.920 a mother loves a child

01:54:21.960 and maybe isn't into the sacrifice

01:54:23.920 the child has to make.

01:54:25.020 Your mom wants you to be safe.

01:54:26.220 Exactly.

01:54:26.480 She doesn't know the mission.

01:54:27.520 She just cares about you.

01:54:28.880 Right.

01:54:29.560 But she told me after January 6th,

01:54:31.380 she's like,

01:54:31.880 you can always just change your name

01:54:33.260 and, like...

01:54:34.100 Right?

01:54:35.820 It's not going to work in 2024.

01:54:37.420 But, you know,

01:54:37.760 if I didn't give a shit...

01:54:38.980 You're in this fight now.

01:54:40.380 If you die, you die.

01:54:41.340 It's just, you know,

01:54:41.820 things are bigger than us sometimes.

01:54:43.180 We can't, like, be scared.

01:54:44.140 And that's why, you know,

01:54:45.240 even our religious,

01:54:46.060 I believe in God.

01:54:46.840 It's like things are more important.

01:54:48.040 I didn't realize how scared

01:54:49.040 most people are.

01:54:50.120 I really, really first saw it

01:54:51.100 during COVID

01:54:51.500 and everyone was freaking out

01:54:52.340 that they might die.

01:54:53.020 It's like,

01:54:53.420 we're all going to die.

01:54:54.080 We have to accept that.

01:54:55.780 If, you know,

01:54:56.080 I would rather live with dignity

01:54:57.100 than die like a coward,

01:54:58.380 like taking orders and bribes.

01:55:00.320 I don't know how these people

01:55:00.980 can do it.

01:55:01.820 Especially some of these

01:55:02.340 religious guys

01:55:02.980 are going along with it.

01:55:03.800 They tend to love God

01:55:04.920 and then they won't, like,

01:55:05.820 speak their truth.

01:55:06.500 Like, it's just,

01:55:07.180 it's disgusting.

01:55:08.180 Well, and it comes down to you.

01:55:09.820 It comes down to you.

01:55:10.840 It comes down to a moment

01:55:12.120 of decision.

01:55:13.100 Eventually,

01:55:13.660 somebody has to do

01:55:14.460 the right thing.

01:55:15.580 So many people are looking

01:55:16.660 for the other person

01:55:17.540 to do the right thing

01:55:18.280 or the other person

01:55:19.080 to do the courageous thing,

01:55:20.060 the other person

01:55:20.900 to make the sacrifice.

01:55:22.340 And it's like

01:55:22.720 all these people

01:55:23.260 complacent in the Israel thing.

01:55:24.600 They're like,

01:55:24.940 oh, talking about Israel?

01:55:25.960 That's for those guys

01:55:26.680 outside the venue

01:55:27.800 to get shit on

01:55:29.360 and that's for them.

01:55:30.720 And it's like,

01:55:31.100 what are the leaders

01:55:31.780 of the country

01:55:32.740 going to make the sacrifices

01:55:33.920 and do the right thing?

01:55:35.360 So,

01:55:36.100 it really comes down to

01:55:37.700 do you care enough

01:55:39.300 about doing the right thing

01:55:40.540 at the moment of decision

01:55:42.080 to make the right choice?

01:55:43.460 Time is always right

01:55:44.600 to do what's right.

01:55:45.800 And unfortunately,

01:55:46.520 we just can't count on

01:55:47.600 anybody that has

01:55:48.580 any power to do that.

01:55:50.120 Yeah.

01:55:50.400 All I've done,

01:55:51.120 I've been sad.

01:55:51.780 It's like,

01:55:52.140 do these guys

01:55:52.580 not believe in God,

01:55:53.600 not have integrity,

01:55:54.580 they're not like,

01:55:55.500 I don't know.

01:55:56.240 In a way,

01:55:56.840 it makes sense

01:55:57.620 that you're eventually

01:55:58.680 going to become president

01:55:59.480 because of the position

01:56:00.360 that you started in.

01:56:01.660 Because if you

01:56:02.380 already lost everything

01:56:03.760 and then your whole identity

01:56:05.280 is pretty much attached

01:56:06.320 to this movement,

01:56:07.380 then you become

01:56:08.280 this movement.

01:56:09.600 And so,

01:56:09.960 they know that,

01:56:10.680 what are they going

01:56:11.140 to corrupt you with?

01:56:12.740 You're not going

01:56:13.340 to be bought out.

01:56:14.080 Nobody wants to,

01:56:14.960 like,

01:56:15.600 major organizations like that.

01:56:17.240 They don't want

01:56:17.520 to give you money.

01:56:18.060 They don't want to associate.

01:56:19.040 Right.

01:56:19.320 Like,

01:56:19.500 the major political organization,

01:56:20.940 they don't want to work with you

01:56:21.800 because you're canceled

01:56:22.360 because you're volatile.

01:56:23.400 The major YouTubers

01:56:24.460 are not even going

01:56:25.060 to have you on.

01:56:25.800 So,

01:56:26.080 how are you,

01:56:26.660 like,

01:56:26.820 nobody is going

01:56:27.680 to doubt

01:56:28.140 that you're going

01:56:28.840 to be corrupted.

01:56:29.740 What are they going

01:56:30.280 to buy you out with

01:56:31.100 at this point?

01:56:32.360 I don't know.

01:56:33.080 I mean,

01:56:33.280 they can always kill me,

01:56:34.240 I guess,

01:56:34.680 which,

01:56:34.980 you know,

01:56:35.240 knock on wood,

01:56:35.880 I don't want that to happen.

01:56:36.940 But,

01:56:37.300 like,

01:56:37.380 yeah,

01:56:38.740 I mean,

01:56:39.060 that's the thing.

01:56:40.000 I've kind of become,

01:56:40.940 I've become the personification

01:56:42.400 almost of the movement.

01:56:43.940 I,

01:56:44.140 like,

01:56:44.260 represent it in,

01:56:45.140 like,

01:56:45.200 a physical form,

01:56:46.780 which is,

01:56:47.980 you know,

01:56:48.260 can be a good thing

01:56:49.020 and a bad thing.

01:56:50.380 But,

01:56:50.780 you know,

01:56:51.780 it's like anything.

01:56:52.420 We just have to keep

01:56:53.240 fighting every day

01:56:54.200 because as much as we have

01:56:56.000 momentum right now,

01:56:57.680 people,

01:56:58.220 I think,

01:56:58.440 seriously underestimate

01:56:59.440 how much it's going

01:57:00.340 to take to change everything.

01:57:01.880 It's not just waking people up.

01:57:03.420 That's step one.

01:57:04.300 You know,

01:57:04.480 it's,

01:57:05.100 we need a lot of brainstorming,

01:57:06.400 get smart people together,

01:57:07.200 figure out what the next steps are.

01:57:08.640 Exactly.

01:57:09.080 I wish it was someone else,

01:57:10.120 but unfortunately it's us.

01:57:11.180 Yeah,

01:57:11.500 well,

01:57:11.660 we need a hundred people

01:57:12.540 just like us.

01:57:13.320 Yeah.

01:57:13.560 You know,

01:57:13.760 we need a hundred people

01:57:14.600 that are willing to do

01:57:15.960 the moral thing,

01:57:16.700 but also are really clever

01:57:17.740 and smart,

01:57:18.660 and then we need time,

01:57:20.600 you know,

01:57:20.940 but I think things are moving

01:57:21.960 in the right direction.

01:57:23.380 We've been growing stronger

01:57:24.780 despite all the persecution,

01:57:27.080 so things are moving

01:57:27.900 in the right direction.

01:57:29.160 Have you,

01:57:29.980 I was wondering

01:57:30.460 if you ever got,

01:57:31.120 like,

01:57:31.280 any attacks

01:57:32.220 because of what you talk

01:57:33.140 about on Twitter.

01:57:34.520 Like?

01:57:35.060 Because at one time,

01:57:35.940 like,

01:57:36.180 Nick,

01:57:36.420 we're eating at In-N-Out

01:57:37.920 and then someone

01:57:38.320 threw ketchup on it.

01:57:39.600 Because you go

01:57:40.160 really hardcore.

01:57:41.180 Like,

01:57:41.220 he's going,

01:57:41.920 he's a fighter.

01:57:42.700 He would want to throw

01:57:43.780 something at this guy.

01:57:44.640 They don't want to get beat up.

01:57:45.640 People throw stuff at me.

01:57:46.920 What am I going to do?

01:57:47.720 Has it happened multiple times

01:57:48.700 or just once?

01:57:49.600 A couple times.

01:57:50.680 I mean,

01:57:50.860 we got the ketchup thing

01:57:52.100 and then,

01:57:52.640 um,

01:57:53.080 I got called out a couple times

01:57:56.520 when I was in L.A.

01:57:57.320 Some chick came up.

01:57:58.500 She didn't throw anything at me,

01:57:59.460 but she came up to me

01:58:00.200 in, like,

01:58:00.440 a coffee shop

01:58:01.200 and she's like,

01:58:01.840 hey,

01:58:02.380 I saw you on InfoWars

01:58:03.940 last night

01:58:04.480 and blah, blah, blah.

01:58:05.380 She gave me,

01:58:05.880 she read me the rhyme.

01:58:06.520 Right after the Hitler,

01:58:07.900 uh,

01:58:08.620 which InfoWars?

01:58:09.600 The Hitler.

01:58:10.460 Oh, yeah.

01:58:10.820 On InfoWars, yeah.

01:58:12.100 And, uh,

01:58:12.580 He's like,

01:58:12.840 I love Hitler.

01:58:14.880 Nick's just like,

01:58:15.640 shit.

01:58:16.080 What about you, Nick?

01:58:16.840 Yeah.

01:58:17.320 Well,

01:58:17.620 I guess you gotta pack my boy up here.

01:58:18.920 Yeah, literally, yeah.

01:58:20.180 I see a look on your face.

01:58:20.760 Yes, we're doing it.

01:58:21.500 I see a look on your face.

01:58:22.160 Well,

01:58:22.440 all right.

01:58:24.300 That was my favorite moment

01:58:25.280 from the interview.

01:58:26.940 That's sick.

01:58:27.300 I think I'll stick with you.

01:58:29.060 Yeah.

01:58:30.200 I don't know

01:58:31.080 if I was ready to go there,

01:58:32.460 but I was like,

01:58:33.340 yeah,

01:58:33.580 with my guy.

01:58:34.120 I didn't have much of a choice,

01:58:35.060 you know.

01:58:35.280 That's what he said

01:58:35.920 after, uh,

01:58:36.560 I just saw him look on your face.

01:58:38.120 I didn't have to go.

01:58:39.020 Yeah, you did.

01:58:39.660 He was not happy,

01:58:40.860 but it was loyalty.

01:58:42.140 Absolutely.

01:58:42.540 After the ketchup incident,

01:58:43.720 the couple was driving away

01:58:45.120 and we were, like,

01:58:45.820 walking out of the restaurant

01:58:46.580 to get a burger somewhere else

01:58:47.680 and they're like,

01:58:48.540 fuck you, Nick!

01:58:49.400 And Nick goes back,

01:58:50.100 yeah, we love Hitler!

01:58:53.740 It was the best fuck you back.

01:58:56.100 Nothing has happened,

01:58:56.960 like, no one's ever,

01:58:57.840 you haven't,

01:58:58.320 I was wondering,

01:58:58.940 like, what the best,

01:58:59.620 most of them.

01:58:59.720 We got, like,

01:59:00.000 threats online,

01:59:00.880 but nothing,

01:59:01.300 nothing real.

01:59:01.960 Yeah, what are they going to do?

01:59:02.740 They should fight

01:59:03.120 with my face.

01:59:04.280 Look at beat up,

01:59:04.900 let's see how they can

01:59:05.320 be gone or something.

01:59:06.280 Yeah.

01:59:06.860 Yeah,

01:59:07.240 it was,

01:59:07.560 it was not going to be.

01:59:08.520 They're going to try to fight me,

01:59:09.460 that's a whole bunch of them.

01:59:11.620 So,

01:59:12.120 what do you think

01:59:15.120 I've been very fortunate,

01:59:16.620 I've had a lot of tax,

01:59:17.520 I've had a lot of people

01:59:18.120 try to cancel my money,

01:59:19.540 but I've been,

01:59:20.240 I mean,

01:59:20.760 like,

01:59:21.120 none of my,

01:59:21.620 I've had a couple

01:59:22.100 small things canceled,

01:59:23.320 but a lot of the people

01:59:24.000 I work with

01:59:24.460 are very loyal to,

01:59:25.300 and they tell them

01:59:25.760 to get fucked

01:59:26.160 when they call them

01:59:26.720 and tell them cancel,

01:59:27.420 like I said,

01:59:27.840 including Jewish people,

01:59:29.120 that's why I'm not,

01:59:30.320 like,

01:59:30.420 an anti-Semitic,

01:59:31.600 bashing Jewish people.

01:59:32.480 There's lots of good

01:59:33.000 Jewish people out there.

01:59:34.220 A lot of them,

01:59:34.760 unfortunately,

01:59:35.240 do have the loyalty,

01:59:36.520 I've noticed,

01:59:36.880 by talking to my Jewish friends.

01:59:38.100 That's actually something,

01:59:39.480 I think I saw,

01:59:40.120 maybe a year,

01:59:45.120 and a person thought

01:59:45.700 that was so outrageous

01:59:46.700 against the Constitution.

01:59:47.980 I'm still not saying

01:59:48.720 I agree with it,

01:59:49.720 but after talking

01:59:50.460 to my Jewish friends,

01:59:51.320 it's really made me

01:59:52.040 start questioning

01:59:52.720 the dual loyalty.

01:59:54.680 Most of them,

01:59:55.080 there's a few exceptions.

01:59:55.960 We have these conversations

01:59:56.760 and they always side

01:59:57.800 with Israel over America,

01:59:58.980 even.

01:59:59.840 But I don't even say

02:00:00.480 they have dual loyalty,

02:00:01.220 I think most of them

02:00:01.720 have loyalty to Israel.

02:00:02.640 Yeah, right.

02:00:03.140 Because the dual is complete

02:00:03.900 and then America's

02:00:04.720 just a colony.

02:00:05.840 But I got some pushback,

02:00:08.140 or I guess you did,

02:00:09.200 for we're on the space

02:00:09.900 and you're saying

02:00:10.300 that you don't want any,

02:00:11.320 you only want

02:00:11.980 Christian leadership in America.

02:00:13.620 And I'm like,

02:00:14.280 that makes the,

02:00:14.980 like, what's the alternative?

02:00:16.060 It makes the most sense

02:00:16.860 if everybody has

02:00:17.540 a unifying belief.

02:00:18.720 And they've got me questioning,

02:00:19.780 like, well,

02:00:20.080 then you wouldn't be able

02:00:20.720 to run more.

02:00:21.260 I don't want to be a politician.

02:00:23.120 And if,

02:00:24.200 as a Muslim,

02:00:24.580 I'm okay living as a Muslim

02:00:25.880 in a Christian nation,

02:00:27.020 a majority Christian nation.

02:00:27.960 If you think of it,

02:00:28.860 most of the majority

02:00:29.760 Muslim countries,

02:00:31.120 they're pretty much

02:00:31.880 all Muslim leadership.

02:00:33.040 It's uncompromised.

02:00:34.300 You need to have

02:00:35.020 that sort of unity.

02:00:36.200 If you have differences

02:00:37.040 in faith,

02:00:37.600 like, over who killed God,

02:00:39.480 like, how are you going

02:00:40.320 to be able to serve

02:00:41.040 the country and,

02:00:41.740 like, swear on the Bible

02:00:42.680 or have consistencies

02:00:44.100 and the laws that are passed.

02:00:45.340 That's what Yay 24

02:00:46.060 was all about.

02:00:46.780 Everything that was,

02:00:48.060 all the laws.

02:00:48.960 Yay wanted to rewrite

02:00:49.800 the Constitution.

02:00:51.000 He wanted to go

02:00:51.580 and rewrite all the laws

02:00:52.600 and all the rights

02:00:53.160 and source it directly

02:00:54.000 to the Bible.

02:00:54.740 I'm like,

02:00:55.260 that makes the most sense

02:00:56.360 because if you're going

02:00:57.200 to have a Christian country,

02:00:58.260 then it has to be

02:00:58.780 uncompromised.

02:01:00.260 Well, and laws

02:01:00.940 are informed by morals.

02:01:02.760 I mean,

02:01:02.980 it's even something

02:01:03.560 as basic.

02:01:04.240 Like, if you were to say,

02:01:05.180 what's one law

02:01:06.220 that everyone agrees with

02:01:07.200 that's like,

02:01:07.600 don't kill?

02:01:08.900 Not killing people

02:01:09.820 is a moral judgment.

02:01:11.540 And not everyone

02:01:12.220 believes that.

02:01:13.100 You know,

02:01:13.320 for example,

02:01:13.920 like a murderer.

02:01:14.960 A murderer sent,

02:01:15.780 or a burglar.

02:01:17.680 If a burglar kills you

02:01:19.100 to take your car,

02:01:20.240 clearly that person

02:01:21.280 doesn't believe in

02:01:22.220 not killing

02:01:22.860 because his morality

02:01:24.400 is, well,

02:01:25.460 what I want,

02:01:26.300 I'm going to take.

02:01:27.000 And if you're in the way,

02:01:27.700 I'm going to kill you.

02:01:28.920 So every law,

02:01:30.200 don't steal,

02:01:31.040 don't kill,

02:01:32.460 don't,

02:01:32.880 you know,

02:01:33.580 you have to file through

02:01:34.580 the contract,

02:01:35.460 whatever,

02:01:35.980 all that stuff

02:01:36.780 is based on morality.

02:01:38.120 And, you know,

02:01:38.760 people say,

02:01:39.420 well,

02:01:39.660 we can all kind of agree

02:01:40.860 on a universal religion.

02:01:42.720 I don't think we can.

02:01:44.020 I mean,

02:01:44.260 take, for example,

02:01:45.040 like Dennis Prager.

02:01:46.260 Dennis Prager,

02:01:47.140 who runs Prager University,

02:01:48.840 he's Jewish,

02:01:49.900 he says,

02:01:50.460 well,

02:01:50.600 it's about Judeo-Christianity,

02:01:51.860 blah, blah, blah.

02:01:52.400 Well,

02:01:52.820 he goes to a speech

02:01:53.720 and he gets asked

02:01:55.020 a question about pornography.

02:01:57.220 Dennis Prager says,

02:01:58.080 well,

02:01:58.200 I don't think a reasonable God

02:01:59.720 would say that it's a sin

02:02:00.840 to masturbate.

02:02:02.180 He says,

02:02:02.620 and I actually think

02:02:03.460 pornography

02:02:04.020 is not always a bad thing.

02:02:07.140 There's your Judeo-Christianity,

02:02:08.600 by the way,

02:02:09.080 a guy who says

02:02:09.720 you can masturbate

02:02:11.060 and pornography

02:02:11.860 is not a sin.

02:02:13.060 Versus Christians

02:02:13.920 who would say,

02:02:14.920 and that's why Christ said,

02:02:16.560 I'm the fulfillment of the law

02:02:17.900 because you are committing

02:02:19.240 lust in your heart

02:02:20.820 if you look at a woman lustfully

02:02:22.720 rather than if you just,

02:02:23.840 you know,

02:02:24.360 mess around with a woman

02:02:25.400 that's not your wife.

02:02:26.380 That's the difference

02:02:27.280 between Christianity

02:02:28.120 and Judaism.

02:02:30.260 You think there's not a difference

02:02:31.500 if you have people

02:02:32.200 that are in charge

02:02:32.820 that are Jewish

02:02:33.520 versus Christian

02:02:34.560 or atheists

02:02:35.460 for that matter?

02:02:36.200 I mean,

02:02:36.400 how do we know

02:02:37.040 what even is

02:02:38.420 an atheist's morality?

02:02:39.760 It's something like,

02:02:40.440 well,

02:02:40.540 don't bother me.

02:02:41.480 There is no morality.

02:02:42.380 Exactly.

02:02:42.860 And that's where you get

02:02:43.620 transgenderism,

02:02:44.800 pedophilia,

02:02:45.620 homosexuality,

02:02:46.620 feminism,

02:02:47.700 abortion.

02:02:48.200 That's where you get

02:02:48.620 all this stuff.

02:02:49.240 So,

02:02:49.640 so no,

02:02:50.460 I'm sorry.

02:02:51.060 Like,

02:02:51.280 we can't all just hold hands

02:02:52.600 to sing kumbaya

02:02:53.280 and say,

02:02:53.960 let's all just not kill each other.

02:02:56.200 What about kill ourselves?

02:02:57.660 They support assisted suicide.

02:02:59.480 What about kill the unborn?

02:03:00.860 They support that.

02:03:01.760 I mean,

02:03:02.240 so,

02:03:03.080 you know,

02:03:03.640 we have to figure out.

02:03:04.980 That's why I think

02:03:05.760 at the bottom of all this,

02:03:07.160 it's a question of morals.

02:03:08.340 That's why,

02:03:09.000 you know,

02:03:09.300 red pill always goes

02:03:10.320 from like culture

02:03:11.760 to politics

02:03:12.800 to religion.

02:03:13.920 Like,

02:03:14.320 it always flows

02:03:15.180 in that direction

02:03:15.820 and you found that out too

02:03:17.100 because when you said

02:03:18.380 truth through funny

02:03:19.300 and you got involved

02:03:21.180 in politics

02:03:21.800 and the red pill scene

02:03:23.200 and at the bottom of it,

02:03:24.320 what did you find?

02:03:25.300 Religion.

02:03:26.200 It has to be God.

02:03:26.860 God's the final answer.

02:03:28.000 Exactly.

02:03:29.100 So,

02:03:29.560 and I think that's

02:03:30.580 where everything is headed

02:03:31.420 is people need to find,

02:03:32.860 you know,

02:03:33.100 what their religion is.

02:03:34.720 Yeah,

02:03:34.960 people are always like,

02:03:35.880 well,

02:03:35.960 that's the biggest thing

02:03:36.540 they try to divide with me.

02:03:37.680 Well,

02:03:37.800 he's a Christian thing.

02:03:38.640 I mean,

02:03:38.860 I would much rather live

02:03:39.720 under a Christian country

02:03:40.680 than a country that's not,

02:03:41.800 you know.

02:03:42.100 I don't care if the porn

02:03:43.040 gets taken away.

02:03:43.800 Kids should not have access

02:03:44.780 to porn.

02:03:45.320 Right.

02:03:45.580 Most of these issues

02:03:46.200 aren't that big of those to me.

02:03:47.800 There shouldn't be a debate,

02:03:49.180 especially in the conservative world.

02:03:51.040 Dennis Prega will say,

02:03:52.040 like,

02:03:52.320 abortion is allowed.

02:03:53.640 You can watch porn

02:03:54.540 and masturbation.

02:03:55.340 Like,

02:03:55.500 these things should just be

02:03:56.260 an absolute no.

02:03:57.340 And the worst part is

02:03:58.100 young kids have access

02:03:58.940 to porn on computers.

02:03:59.940 When I was young,

02:04:00.600 it was all possible to get.

02:04:01.740 A 10-year-old can just grab

02:04:02.980 their most hardcore pornography.

02:04:04.820 That can't be healthy

02:04:05.480 for our minds

02:04:06.040 or good for society.

02:04:07.420 You've seen the generational shift,

02:04:09.340 like the amount of Simpson

02:04:10.120 in our generation

02:04:11.100 compared to yours

02:04:11.840 is,

02:04:12.460 it's all because of porn,

02:04:13.720 because of the easy access

02:04:14.700 to seeing a woman naked

02:04:15.820 and having sexes like that.

02:04:17.780 That's completely,

02:04:18.340 you have to go watch,

02:04:19.380 like,

02:04:19.540 open up Playboy magazine.

02:04:20.420 It's all possible,

02:04:20.780 yeah.

02:04:21.080 And I think,

02:04:21.800 if you watch it

02:04:22.760 rare occasions,

02:04:23.320 like,

02:04:23.420 that's not going to damage

02:04:24.160 your brain,

02:04:24.620 but if you're watching

02:04:25.220 corporate pornography

02:04:26.200 all the time

02:04:26.840 in a computer,

02:04:27.460 that's got to be damaging.

02:04:28.560 No one wants to talk about it.

02:04:29.400 No politician wants to be like,

02:04:30.840 hey,

02:04:31.060 let's ban this porn

02:04:31.880 or at least make it

02:04:32.480 impossible for kids to do.

02:04:33.740 Maybe they just won't touch it.

02:04:35.160 Yeah,

02:04:35.580 porn is a psychological tool

02:04:37.660 of warfare

02:04:38.140 that the Israelis,

02:04:39.300 the Palestinians,

02:04:40.380 it's the quickest way

02:04:41.300 to corrupt a soul.

02:04:42.240 And I've seen it

02:04:42.880 time and time again.

02:04:44.540 I do think that,

02:04:45.560 like,

02:04:45.700 part of the reason that Ye

02:04:46.660 has flaws

02:04:48.280 in some of his beliefs

02:04:49.540 is because of porn.

02:04:50.420 I mean,

02:04:50.600 he said this in an interview

02:04:51.620 when he was six years old,

02:04:52.560 he found his dad's porn stash,

02:04:54.280 there's a bunch of magazines

02:04:55.020 that since then

02:04:55.560 has been very obviously

02:04:56.920 addicted to porn.

02:04:58.040 There's no secret.

02:04:59.400 There's nothing good

02:05:00.020 on your brain

02:05:00.540 that it does.

02:05:01.160 I've never watched it,

02:05:02.060 but I don't anymore.

02:05:02.840 You've never watched porn?

02:05:03.600 No, no, no.

02:05:04.020 I'm not saying I never did.

02:05:04.860 I have watched porn,

02:05:05.600 but I don't anymore.

02:05:06.300 It's not healthy.

02:05:07.160 There's nothing good

02:05:07.820 in the brain doing it.

02:05:09.700 And particularly for kids.

02:05:10.800 Like I said,

02:05:11.080 I was a kid,

02:05:11.460 I had no access to it.

02:05:12.480 I couldn't imagine

02:05:13.200 being like 11,

02:05:14.500 having a computer

02:05:15.760 and going to find

02:05:16.200 anything you want.

02:05:16.860 It takes 0.5 seconds

02:05:17.940 where any kid

02:05:18.520 was a smartphone.

02:05:18.900 When I was a kid,

02:05:19.260 I would have been looking,

02:05:19.960 you know,

02:05:20.160 if I had ever found

02:05:20.760 a porn magazine,

02:05:21.520 I was like so excited,

02:05:22.380 but there was like

02:05:22.740 no access to it.

02:05:23.740 I couldn't imagine

02:05:24.280 like 10 years old

02:05:25.300 having that.

02:05:25.820 It's got to be

02:05:26.140 so damaging to their brains.

02:05:27.400 Well,

02:05:27.560 Christians don't run

02:05:28.260 the porn industry.

02:05:29.400 No,

02:05:29.600 a rabbi owns Pornhub.

02:05:30.840 It's something

02:05:31.240 that's insane.

02:05:31.840 And OnlyFans.

02:05:32.440 Yeah.

02:05:32.820 And all the money,

02:05:33.540 OnlyFans is funding Israel.

02:05:34.900 Yeah.

02:05:35.280 It's great.

02:05:35.620 All those OnlyFans girls

02:05:36.520 that have Free Palestine

02:05:37.380 in the bio

02:05:37.980 are indirectly,

02:05:38.920 actually directly funding

02:05:40.100 genocide right now.

02:05:40.980 So they're not even

02:05:41.840 allowed to say anything

02:05:42.800 pro-Palestinian

02:05:43.620 when they're funding

02:05:44.560 the genocide

02:05:45.060 by getting naked on camera.

02:05:47.080 But Dennis Prager

02:05:48.040 recently said something

02:05:49.160 about you.

02:05:49.780 He said he was afraid

02:05:50.560 to speak to you

02:05:51.120 in that interview.

02:05:51.580 Did you see that?

02:05:51.940 Yeah,

02:05:52.240 I did see that.

02:05:53.020 Yeah.

02:05:53.140 What was that about?

02:05:54.380 Well,

02:05:54.780 I forget because I think

02:05:55.900 it was some time ago.

02:05:57.700 but yeah,

02:05:58.800 I mean,

02:05:59.300 these people,

02:06:00.740 they're so hysterical.

02:06:02.260 I've talked to people

02:06:03.320 that disagree with you.

02:06:04.300 I've talked to Jewish people.

02:06:05.300 I've talked to other people.

02:06:06.980 But a guy like Dennis Prager

02:06:08.260 says,

02:06:08.540 well,

02:06:08.660 I wouldn't talk to him

02:06:09.600 because,

02:06:10.000 you know,

02:06:10.080 all these reasons.

02:06:10.820 And I was telling this too.

02:06:12.160 I think I said this

02:06:12.780 a moment ago.

02:06:13.400 It's like,

02:06:14.540 you'll talk to communists

02:06:16.200 who in your mind

02:06:17.340 are the ideological enemy

02:06:18.900 that have killed

02:06:19.380 a hundred million people.

02:06:20.300 You won't sit down

02:06:20.920 and talk to somebody

02:06:21.700 who's like criticizing Israel

02:06:23.300 or like the Israeli lobby

02:06:25.320 that we all know exists.

02:06:27.040 And you know what it is?

02:06:28.000 They know that they lose.

02:06:29.140 They know that they would

02:06:31.180 find themselves

02:06:31.760 on the other side

02:06:32.900 of a dichotomy

02:06:35.000 that would kind of

02:06:36.280 put them on the outs.

02:06:37.760 If I sat down

02:06:38.520 with Dennis Prager

02:06:39.220 and I really engaged

02:06:41.060 with all my rhetoric,

02:06:42.840 everyone would side with me.

02:06:44.220 All the Christians,

02:06:45.120 all the Americans

02:06:45.780 would side with me.

02:06:46.600 If me and Dennis Prager

02:06:47.920 debated pornography,

02:06:49.400 what conservative

02:06:50.200 would side with Dennis Prager?

02:06:51.880 If we debated about Gaza,

02:06:53.560 what conservative

02:06:54.200 would side with Prager?

02:06:55.740 That's,

02:06:56.380 they can't even have

02:06:57.280 the conversation

02:06:58.080 because they know

02:06:58.900 that even to just have it

02:07:00.300 would be a defeat.

02:07:01.440 For that to even

02:07:02.060 be on the table.

02:07:03.060 That's why they rely

02:07:03.820 on ostracism.

02:07:05.100 So it's like,

02:07:05.800 well,

02:07:05.900 this guy just doesn't exist.

02:07:07.280 Or if you don't know about him,

02:07:08.640 right,

02:07:08.980 he's evil.

02:07:09.480 Don't even give him any money.

02:07:11.360 So it's all cult.

02:07:12.100 They're trying to pay you

02:07:12.740 as an evil person

02:07:13.480 so that they can

02:07:14.020 avoid the conversation

02:07:14.900 and have their whole

02:07:15.720 worldview destroyed

02:07:16.760 in about 30 minutes.

02:07:18.140 I don't want to hear

02:07:18.600 what he says,

02:07:19.160 which actually,

02:07:19.640 when I first walked

02:07:20.220 through your clips,

02:07:20.840 you're probably

02:07:21.180 one of the best people,

02:07:22.140 the best person

02:07:22.860 of breaking

02:07:23.320 some of the stuff down.

02:07:24.800 So this is why,

02:07:25.440 as soon as you see it,

02:07:26.060 oh,

02:07:26.400 this is why

02:07:26.800 they don't want to talk to you.

02:07:28.140 Yeah,

02:07:28.560 I mean,

02:07:28.860 that's really it.

02:07:29.800 I mean,

02:07:30.940 you know,

02:07:31.340 because

02:07:31.860 you can count on one hand

02:07:34.740 how many people

02:07:35.300 are willing to talk

02:07:35.940 about this stuff,

02:07:37.020 period.

02:07:37.600 And then how many of them

02:07:38.440 are good at talking about it

02:07:39.560 and have the right information?

02:07:40.800 It's even fewer

02:07:41.500 because it requires

02:07:42.300 so much discernment

02:07:43.380 and you kind of have to

02:07:44.420 know certain people

02:07:45.420 and be in this

02:07:46.100 for a little while.

02:07:47.300 Because you jump in

02:07:48.080 and it's hard to parse

02:07:49.280 what's real

02:07:49.880 and what isn't.

02:07:50.400 It's a lot of research.

02:07:51.560 I got to do to it,

02:07:52.360 but it's still just so hard

02:07:53.640 to figure out what's real

02:07:54.440 and it goes,

02:07:55.180 it's so deep

02:07:55.880 and in-depth

02:07:56.360 in the way things

02:07:56.860 are intertwined

02:07:58.240 and hidden

02:07:58.720 and it's...

02:07:59.520 It's in every system.

02:08:00.400 I'm sure you don't get

02:08:00.900 things wrong either

02:08:01.700 that you look crazy.

02:08:02.640 Exactly.

02:08:02.880 You mess with something wrong

02:08:03.620 and it's really bad.

02:08:04.380 You look like you're crazy

02:08:05.060 and the whole thing

02:08:05.700 could be a conspiracy.

02:08:06.780 Exactly.

02:08:07.300 It's such a huge topic

02:08:08.320 so it really requires

02:08:09.520 like a special skill set

02:08:10.980 and the other thing

02:08:12.200 is I'm young.

02:08:12.960 If I were 20 years older,

02:08:14.640 I think I would get

02:08:15.420 treated differently

02:08:16.100 but it's that

02:08:17.540 I'm a young guy,

02:08:18.700 reasonably attractive,

02:08:19.860 like I'm not some

02:08:20.580 freakazoid,

02:08:21.400 like 600 pounds

02:08:22.280 with a neck beard

02:08:23.160 or whatever.

02:08:24.020 I'm like a young,

02:08:24.820 reasonably attractive,

02:08:25.800 hip,

02:08:26.440 articulate guy

02:08:27.380 and I'm likable.

02:08:28.680 Like I go to these things

02:08:29.920 and, you know,

02:08:31.580 if you didn't engage me

02:08:32.240 with politics,

02:08:33.280 you wouldn't not like me.

02:08:34.960 You know,

02:08:35.240 and that's what

02:08:35.760 they can't tolerate.

02:08:36.820 If I went

02:08:37.320 and I was the boogeyman,

02:08:38.600 like I was screaming

02:08:39.620 racial slurs

02:08:40.720 in like a not funny way

02:08:42.360 because sometimes I do

02:08:43.160 but like a joking way.

02:08:44.840 It's comedy.

02:08:45.640 Right, right, right.

02:08:46.620 I took these clips

02:08:47.380 and they're being funny

02:08:48.180 and they make it look like

02:08:49.100 you're...

02:08:49.600 Because I use comedy too

02:08:50.460 because it's funny

02:08:51.140 that's why people engage.

02:08:52.200 Right.

02:08:52.380 They take that

02:08:52.740 and they clip it up

02:08:53.400 and make it look like

02:08:54.060 you're saying things

02:08:54.560 you're not.

02:08:55.260 Exactly, yeah.

02:08:55.940 But if I was legit,

02:08:57.200 like I was going out there

02:08:58.300 like, hey,

02:08:58.840 I hate everyone

02:08:59.940 that doesn't look like me.

02:09:01.380 They would want to promote me

02:09:02.620 because they'd say,

02:09:03.200 oh, this,

02:09:03.900 look at this piece of shit.

02:09:05.100 And it's so ironic

02:09:05.880 they always say

02:09:06.620 sunlight is the best disinfectant.

02:09:08.700 If we expose this guy,

02:09:10.880 no one's going to like him.

02:09:12.220 It's like,

02:09:12.480 well, I'm waiting

02:09:13.000 for that exposure.

02:09:14.160 Like, please,

02:09:15.200 you know,

02:09:15.360 if I'm so bad,

02:09:16.380 let's give me a platform.

02:09:17.680 I'll show everyone

02:09:18.200 how bad I am.

02:09:19.120 But they know

02:09:19.820 it's not going to go down

02:09:20.700 that way.

02:09:21.780 All those ratios

02:09:22.760 you're getting.

02:09:23.440 Yeah, exactly.

02:09:24.560 Exactly.

02:09:25.180 I'm sure Elon

02:09:25.520 knew that wasn't true.

02:09:26.440 He just had to like

02:09:27.040 throw that out.

02:09:27.640 Totally, yeah.

02:09:28.840 What do you think

02:09:29.260 is the best example,

02:09:31.000 because I was asked

02:09:31.620 this question,

02:09:32.140 that we're winning

02:09:32.720 the culture war.

02:09:33.480 I think that the first thing

02:09:34.380 that popped into my head

02:09:35.140 was the ratios.

02:09:36.360 And then as I said,

02:09:36.920 it sounded kind of silly.

02:09:38.020 Like, you said

02:09:38.480 Twitter ratios

02:09:39.300 is a good indicator

02:09:40.620 that people,

02:09:41.200 but it is.

02:09:42.080 So it's showing

02:09:42.680 public opinion

02:09:43.800 and it's showing

02:09:44.260 where the energy is going.

02:09:45.600 What is the best indication

02:09:46.980 you've noticed

02:09:47.560 that we're winning this war?

02:09:48.720 Hmm.

02:09:49.100 I would say that

02:09:51.560 it's the young people.

02:09:53.620 The young people

02:09:54.440 on both sides

02:09:55.460 are all,

02:09:55.960 if you look at the polling,

02:09:57.140 like with the war in Gaza,

02:09:58.280 the young people

02:09:58.780 don't support Israel.

02:09:59.760 Not on the left,

02:10:00.420 not on the right.

02:10:01.400 On the left,

02:10:02.080 they're protesting

02:10:02.600 on the campuses.

02:10:03.520 On the right,

02:10:04.100 they're like all groipers.

02:10:05.180 It's like when I show up

02:10:05.980 to Turning Point

02:10:06.640 and they all cheer

02:10:08.020 when they greet me.

02:10:08.940 It's like Tyler Boyer,

02:10:10.280 who's one of the big ups

02:10:11.540 at Turning Point USA.

02:10:13.100 He says,

02:10:13.560 oh, the groipers

02:10:14.180 aren't so bad anymore.

02:10:15.520 That took five years

02:10:16.600 for him to get there,

02:10:17.680 but he recognizes

02:10:18.380 he can't hire anybody

02:10:19.380 that isn't a groiper.

02:10:20.580 It's the ratios,

02:10:21.620 it's the stream,

02:10:22.220 it's the fact that

02:10:22.920 you and I have both

02:10:23.720 been censored.

02:10:24.340 We get huge viewership

02:10:25.320 on Rumble.

02:10:25.980 We've both been censored.

02:10:26.940 We still are popular

02:10:27.780 on Twitter.

02:10:28.980 So it's basically

02:10:29.800 the failure of censorship

02:10:30.940 and the capitulation

02:10:33.860 by the system

02:10:34.680 to what we're saying.

02:10:36.460 You know,

02:10:36.700 I mean,

02:10:36.940 if you look at like

02:10:37.580 Charlie Kirk,

02:10:38.780 five years ago

02:10:39.600 we started the groiper war

02:10:40.680 against Charlie Kirk.

02:10:42.040 Five years later,

02:10:42.940 am I closer

02:10:44.140 to where he was then

02:10:45.240 or is he closer

02:10:46.080 to where I am now?

02:10:48.100 Yeah,

02:10:48.320 you're definitely winning.

02:10:49.300 That's the answer,

02:10:50.180 you know?

02:10:50.580 But it's interesting too

02:10:51.380 like you say,

02:10:52.000 like how censored you are

02:10:52.940 for example.

02:10:53.540 We're hanging out

02:10:53.880 with the Lamb

02:10:54.280 and you're so famous still.

02:10:55.300 So somehow

02:10:55.740 by all the censorship

02:10:56.860 you're still known.

02:10:58.420 I don't think

02:10:58.820 I get enough credit

02:10:59.440 and that's where

02:11:00.000 the victim actually comes in.

02:11:01.220 I'm like,

02:11:01.440 people say that

02:11:01.980 and I'm like,

02:11:02.260 do you know

02:11:02.700 what it's like?

02:11:03.580 No,

02:11:03.640 I walk around

02:11:04.100 and I'm like,

02:11:04.480 wow,

02:11:04.700 he's like really famous.

02:11:05.680 I know you're big

02:11:06.720 but I know you're that big.

02:11:07.520 I'm like,

02:11:07.620 you're like almost

02:11:08.280 like mainstream famous

02:11:09.180 walking around

02:11:09.800 with no YouTube,

02:11:11.400 no TikTok,

02:11:12.440 no Instagram.

02:11:13.300 Instagram,

02:11:14.040 Facebook,

02:11:14.600 yeah,

02:11:15.440 everything.

02:11:16.500 Well,

02:11:16.660 how do you get,

02:11:17.220 I want to ask you this first

02:11:18.100 but how do you get rid

02:11:18.760 of that doomer mentality?

02:11:20.840 Because there's a lot

02:11:21.260 of people within the red pill

02:11:22.400 I guess that are on this

02:11:23.740 that understand the truth

02:11:24.720 that like things suck,

02:11:26.180 don't have kids,

02:11:27.220 get a vasectomy.

02:11:28.340 There's this ideology

02:11:29.120 once you realize,

02:11:29.860 when you realize the truth

02:11:31.020 that you should just give up

02:11:32.920 and that everything is fucked

02:11:34.120 and that women are evil

02:11:35.080 and that there's no hope.

02:11:36.180 How do you gather

02:11:37.500 hope?

02:11:38.680 Yeah,

02:11:38.860 I think,

02:11:39.280 you know,

02:11:40.120 have more kids,

02:11:41.000 I think for the most part

02:11:41.720 women are great.

02:11:42.460 It's the men,

02:11:43.220 they want a strong,

02:11:44.140 masculine men.

02:11:44.880 If you're strong

02:11:45.540 and you're like giving her,

02:11:46.700 not bossing around

02:11:47.380 but giving her rules,

02:11:48.300 telling her,

02:11:48.900 telling her what you expect

02:11:50.000 out of her,

02:11:50.480 they're going to respect you.

02:11:51.840 If you're a man worth respecting,

02:11:53.280 I think the problem

02:11:53.740 is a lot of these guys

02:11:54.360 are bitter

02:11:54.700 because they're not worth respecting.

02:11:56.040 They're not like,

02:11:57.400 they're not offering anything

02:11:58.280 to the girl,

02:11:58.780 they're lazy,

02:11:59.320 they're sitting around.

02:12:00.180 It's not just about money either

02:12:01.300 because luckily I figured out girls

02:12:02.660 before I ever made any money

02:12:03.740 but they need to respect you

02:12:05.240 because most of these guys

02:12:07.500 they're scared to like a tweet.

02:12:09.440 If a man is scared to like a tweet,

02:12:10.760 you think the girl's going to respect them

02:12:11.900 but if you're a man

02:12:13.020 that demands respect,

02:12:13.960 you're not going to have

02:12:14.520 these problems

02:12:15.000 these guys are always bitching about.

02:12:16.340 So I think it's,

02:12:17.340 hopefully it comes down to the man

02:12:18.360 and I think the world's

02:12:19.340 going to be fine hopefully.

02:12:20.400 I mean,

02:12:20.840 you can't,

02:12:21.240 might as well have kids

02:12:22.020 because if it destroys,

02:12:25.000 it destroys

02:12:25.320 but I mean,

02:12:25.920 we doubt not to have them

02:12:26.800 because everything goes fine

02:12:27.640 when things get better.

02:12:28.840 I think we can fix

02:12:29.560 all these problems

02:12:30.180 which is why we're trying.

02:12:31.680 I want to be trying

02:12:32.200 but I think we can fix them.

02:12:33.520 Do you think it's going to get worse

02:12:34.700 before it gets better?

02:12:35.520 Or it's impossible to tell,

02:12:38.040 you know?

02:12:38.900 Definitely could

02:12:39.540 but I try to stay optimistic.

02:12:42.480 I try to look positive at things.

02:12:43.640 Yeah,

02:12:43.780 of course I have guns and stuff

02:12:44.680 in case it's not

02:12:45.600 but I try to stay optimistic

02:12:46.800 and just keep pushing

02:12:48.540 because that's all you can do.

02:12:49.640 If society collapses,

02:12:50.880 that's out of your control.

02:12:52.580 One doomer moment that I had

02:12:54.060 and I wanted to see

02:12:54.800 what you guys think about this

02:12:55.580 was after COVID,

02:12:57.060 seeing what they got away with

02:12:58.480 when it came to

02:12:59.160 locking up our kids,

02:13:01.040 keeping us inside,

02:13:01.940 taking away our jobs,

02:13:03.580 you know,

02:13:03.740 injecting us with a bioweapon,

02:13:06.500 you know,

02:13:06.780 lying to us about George Floyd

02:13:08.240 and making us all protest

02:13:09.640 at the same time

02:13:10.420 covering up our faces

02:13:11.960 before going into a restaurant

02:13:13.100 and then we knew all this,

02:13:15.560 realized they lied to us

02:13:16.700 and then life went back

02:13:17.920 to normal completely

02:13:18.640 and that there's not like

02:13:19.780 right now knowing all those things

02:13:21.220 that there's not an uprising

02:13:22.380 on every single major city

02:13:23.720 in America

02:13:24.160 and we are not demanding justice

02:13:26.040 for the fact that they ruined

02:13:27.060 the mental health

02:13:27.660 of an entire generation of kids.

02:13:29.580 People didn't go

02:13:30.020 to their graduations,

02:13:31.720 people were kept inside,

02:13:32.640 people like lost their minds.

02:13:34.560 Some people are still recovering

02:13:35.720 from that mental effect.

02:13:37.400 You know,

02:13:38.060 financially or mentally

02:13:39.020 and absolutely people

02:13:39.740 have struggled from that.

02:13:41.220 So they did that

02:13:42.280 and then people aren't uprising.

02:13:45.220 There's not a revolution going on.

02:13:47.380 What's the white pill from that?

02:13:49.580 No,

02:13:49.940 there is no white pill.

02:13:50.940 I mean,

02:13:51.200 that's complacency

02:13:52.540 and it just goes to show

02:13:54.460 people don't get agitated

02:13:56.200 by things like that.

02:13:57.140 People get agitated

02:13:57.940 when they're hungry.

02:13:59.000 People get agitated

02:13:59.860 when they're too hot.

02:14:00.720 They don't seem to get agitated

02:14:02.200 when they have to get

02:14:03.080 like a vaccine or something.

02:14:04.840 That's why I think

02:14:05.480 it does have to get worse

02:14:06.420 before it gets better

02:14:07.300 because that's the only thing

02:14:08.100 that snaps people

02:14:08.840 out of complacency is.

02:14:11.080 I mean,

02:14:11.340 even like right now,

02:14:12.240 everyone recognizes

02:14:13.200 like everything

02:14:14.340 is getting worse right now.

02:14:16.020 Everything's getting

02:14:16.620 more expensive.

02:14:17.720 Inflation's out of control.

02:14:18.780 Inflation's bad.

02:14:20.220 Crime is getting worse.

02:14:21.960 Like more bad things

02:14:23.460 are happening.

02:14:24.300 It's like even,

02:14:25.320 even in little ways.

02:14:26.320 I said this for a long time.

02:14:27.740 I'm like the country's

02:14:28.600 going to get worse

02:14:29.200 and things that are

02:14:30.580 imperceptible right now

02:14:32.240 but will be very noticeable later.

02:14:34.140 It's like going into Target

02:14:35.740 and there's shit everywhere.

02:14:37.780 You know,

02:14:37.920 like stuff isn't on the shelves

02:14:39.440 or it's like

02:14:40.080 your flight gets delayed

02:14:41.460 more often

02:14:42.120 or maybe it's like

02:14:42.940 weird issues

02:14:43.880 with the Boeing planes

02:14:44.960 or whatever.

02:14:45.600 It's like little

02:14:46.620 imperceptible things,

02:14:48.360 things that you might not predict,

02:14:49.940 but everything is just

02:14:50.960 going to start to decay

02:14:52.060 and degrade a little bit

02:14:53.420 because people are less competent.

02:14:55.080 Each generation cares less,

02:14:57.000 is less competent

02:14:57.700 than the generation before

02:14:58.960 and I think over time

02:15:00.420 it's going to create

02:15:01.320 basically an unlivable situation

02:15:03.700 but even then,

02:15:05.540 I mean,

02:15:06.100 a lot of people talk about

02:15:07.080 like a collapse.

02:15:08.080 People talk about a scenario

02:15:09.240 where it's like,

02:15:10.720 oh,

02:15:11.120 we're going to get to a point

02:15:12.120 where people are,

02:15:13.300 they're going to say,

02:15:14.120 we've had enough.

02:15:15.260 It's like,

02:15:15.720 when is it going to happen

02:15:17.160 in Brazil?

02:15:17.720 You would think that,

02:15:18.320 yeah.

02:15:18.700 When is that going to happen

02:15:19.400 in South Africa?

02:15:20.580 When is that going to happen

02:15:21.700 in any other country

02:15:22.580 that's a shithole

02:15:23.300 that doesn't arrive?

02:15:24.180 But the answer to that is

02:15:27.100 there isn't a moment

02:15:29.360 when things automatically

02:15:30.720 get better

02:15:31.560 and that's really

02:15:32.660 kind of the implicit assumption.

02:15:34.420 When people say,

02:15:35.080 I'm waiting for a collapse,

02:15:36.200 when people say,

02:15:37.060 you know,

02:15:37.860 things got to get worse

02:15:38.760 to snap people

02:15:39.480 out of complacency,

02:15:40.600 what they're saying

02:15:41.240 is they're kind of waiting

02:15:42.020 for things to kick in

02:15:43.340 where it automatically

02:15:44.400 starts to improve

02:15:45.360 and Elon Musk talks about this,

02:15:47.640 Peter Thiel talks about this,

02:15:48.860 two PayPal mafia guys,

02:15:50.440 but I agree with them on this.

02:15:51.660 They both say that progress

02:15:53.500 is not a given.

02:15:54.620 Human progress is not a given.

02:15:56.300 It has to be fought for

02:15:57.220 by every generation.

02:15:58.980 And if you don't have

02:15:59.800 like really exceptional people

02:16:01.500 like actually fighting

02:16:03.180 and winning these battles,

02:16:04.900 humanity will slide backward.

02:16:06.520 Things will get worse

02:16:07.400 and it won't automatically

02:16:09.000 get better.

02:16:09.860 It'll just,

02:16:10.400 we'll enter a dark age

02:16:11.400 and it'll take a thousand years

02:16:13.200 before another general,

02:16:14.360 exceptional generation

02:16:15.700 rises up and says,

02:16:16.780 we're going to fight

02:16:17.660 for a better future.

02:16:19.040 So it's incumbent on us.

02:16:20.880 It's incumbent on people,

02:16:23.280 you know,

02:16:23.540 individuals that are going to say,

02:16:25.100 I'm not going to get the vaccine.

02:16:26.780 But how many people did?

02:16:28.140 You know,

02:16:28.360 people watch my show

02:16:29.480 and I hit them for years.

02:16:31.580 You can't get the vaccine.

02:16:32.800 You have to get fired.

02:16:33.660 You have to get expelled.

02:16:35.080 I,

02:16:35.420 people,

02:16:35.880 I know people I'm friends

02:16:37.360 with got vaccinated.

02:16:38.960 Yeah.

02:16:39.280 This is a small one.

02:16:40.160 I lived in San Francisco

02:16:40.840 for like 20 years.

02:16:42.200 Everyone wore a mask

02:16:43.100 and I would refuse to do it.

02:16:44.180 So my friends are like,

02:16:44.860 oh, just put it on.

02:16:45.560 But it's like,

02:16:45.880 no,

02:16:46.040 if you guys don't put it on,

02:16:47.220 it wouldn't be a fight.

02:16:48.020 You guys are just going along with it.

02:16:49.300 And yeah,

02:16:49.880 it caused tons of issues

02:16:51.040 so I wouldn't put them on.

02:16:51.920 But it was worth it to me

02:16:52.640 to have a little,

02:16:53.560 you know,

02:16:53.800 the only time it is

02:16:54.360 when I flew.

02:16:55.240 That was the one time

02:16:55.880 I'm like,

02:16:56.160 all right,

02:16:56.320 I guess I got to do it.

02:16:57.080 Other than that,

02:16:57.520 I'm just not putting a mask on.

02:16:59.220 San Francisco was so ridiculous

02:17:00.120 there's a few times

02:17:00.860 because you're allowed

02:17:01.280 to steal there

02:17:01.820 of $900.

02:17:03.020 You can't be arrested.

02:17:04.020 But a few times

02:17:04.420 I'm at a store

02:17:04.940 and they're like,

02:17:05.480 yeah,

02:17:05.560 put a mask on.

02:17:06.280 I'm like,

02:17:06.580 well,

02:17:06.660 I'm just going to walk out

02:17:07.320 with this

02:17:07.580 or I'll give you my money.

02:17:09.080 Yeah,

02:17:09.320 right.

02:17:09.640 I was really going to do it too

02:17:10.620 because I was so fed up with it.

02:17:11.720 That was like towards the end

02:17:12.640 when I was so fed up with it.

02:17:14.440 And that's a perfect example

02:17:15.320 of talking about

02:17:15.660 decaying cities.

02:17:16.620 I watched that city

02:17:17.460 at this point.

02:17:18.200 I watched it completely decay

02:17:19.340 in front of my eyes.

02:17:20.060 It always had some problem.

02:17:21.220 The homeless got worse.

02:17:22.520 People were shooting up

02:17:23.320 on the streets,

02:17:23.920 smoking crack on the streets,

02:17:25.520 shitting on the streets,

02:17:26.640 just complete built,

02:17:27.580 robbing, stealing.

02:17:28.780 It's like India over there.

02:17:29.840 It's not.

02:17:30.400 Have you been to San Francisco?

02:17:31.320 It's like,

02:17:31.680 no.

02:17:32.320 Yeah,

02:17:32.460 you don't need to be.

02:17:33.320 It smells like piss

02:17:34.340 as soon as you open the door.

02:17:35.600 Overwhelming,

02:17:36.060 homeless,

02:17:36.440 fentanyol.

02:17:36.800 People are literally shooting up.

02:17:38.500 I watched that one day.

02:17:39.180 A guy's like shitting

02:17:39.780 right in front of my car.

02:17:40.880 And then I yelled at him

02:17:41.620 so I'm acting like

02:17:42.080 I was being the bad guy

02:17:42.800 to be yelling

02:17:43.120 at the homeless dude

02:17:43.700 shitting on my car.

02:17:44.580 It's like victim mentality there.

02:17:46.480 Everyone wants to be,

02:17:47.060 oh,

02:17:47.200 these poor people,

02:17:48.040 it's their fault,

02:17:48.580 it's their fault.

02:17:49.160 I know they're,

02:17:49.920 I feel bad.

02:17:50.720 Of course I feel bad for them,

02:17:51.560 but they're deliberately

02:17:52.160 smoking crack,

02:17:53.140 doing meth,

02:17:54.380 doing fentanyol.

02:17:55.880 The city just allows it.

02:17:56.860 It's not like,

02:17:58.120 it's not,

02:17:58.540 there's nothing positive

02:17:59.320 about letting these people do it.

02:18:01.200 Yeah,

02:18:01.400 well,

02:18:01.580 and in San Francisco,

02:18:02.480 how many trillions of dollars

02:18:03.760 of value are there

02:18:05.260 in Silicon Valley?

02:18:07.260 You know,

02:18:07.480 I mean,

02:18:07.720 right around there,

02:18:08.920 which is the distinction

02:18:11.420 or the contrast

02:18:12.360 incredible to think about.

02:18:13.440 On the one hand,

02:18:14.040 it smells like piss.

02:18:14.900 There's needles everywhere.

02:18:16.260 Who was it that got,

02:18:17.440 the founder of one

02:18:18.440 of those tech companies

02:18:19.180 got like stabbed to death?

02:18:21.240 Bob Lee is actually,

02:18:22.080 actually a legit person.

02:18:23.700 Yeah,

02:18:24.660 and you know,

02:18:25.700 that's going on.

02:18:26.840 And then a little ways away,

02:18:28.060 you got Cupertino,

02:18:28.900 you got the Apple headquarters.

02:18:30.560 It's like the most sophisticated

02:18:31.660 headquarters in the world.

02:18:32.940 And you think,

02:18:34.480 we can build iPhones,

02:18:35.480 we can build these marvels,

02:18:36.820 but we can't have a city

02:18:37.800 where there's not shit

02:18:38.740 in the street.

02:18:39.180 Right in San Francisco,

02:18:40.140 those apartments are so expensive.

02:18:41.780 You're in a neighborhood

02:18:42.320 where you're like a million,

02:18:43.420 like multi-million dollar apartments

02:18:44.560 and you go downstairs

02:18:45.400 and people like shooting up

02:18:46.620 and shitting on the streets.

02:18:47.620 It's pure insanity.

02:18:49.240 I've had,

02:18:49.640 there's like these gay parades.

02:18:50.900 I've came by

02:18:51.400 and had guys make sex

02:18:52.300 in front of my house before.

02:18:53.520 I was just absolutely

02:18:54.160 in front of my house

02:18:54.620 and I was so pissed.

02:18:55.480 What do you mean

02:18:55.920 to invite a gay guy?

02:18:56.620 Yeah,

02:18:56.840 they're literally having sex

02:18:58.100 in my driveway.

02:18:59.700 Are you serious?

02:19:00.460 I'm dead serious.

02:19:01.020 100% serious.

02:19:01.720 Were they homeless or like?

02:19:03.260 No,

02:19:03.460 just like,

02:19:04.120 they had these gay rallies there.

02:19:05.520 There's one called

02:19:06.000 the Folsom Street Fair.

02:19:06.960 I reckon you don't look it up.

02:19:07.980 There's all these guys.

02:19:08.840 They come in like leather and whips

02:19:10.500 and they're just like

02:19:11.220 beating each other,

02:19:12.320 like having sex

02:19:13.060 all over the streets

02:19:13.740 in the middle of the day.

02:19:14.500 It's just absolutely

02:19:15.220 disgusting and repulsome.

02:19:17.720 And I asked the New Yorkers,

02:19:18.840 like what do you think

02:19:19.260 about Pride Month

02:19:19.880 and like kids seeing this stuff?

02:19:21.240 I'm like,

02:19:21.480 oh,

02:19:21.660 well you shouldn't take

02:19:22.260 a kid to the parade.

02:19:23.020 It's like,

02:19:23.560 what if you open the door

02:19:24.540 and you just see guys

02:19:26.560 in your driveway?

02:19:28.540 But this is the importance

02:19:29.860 of a movement like this

02:19:31.020 because you need to have

02:19:31.800 strong men who are going

02:19:32.820 to be resilient

02:19:33.520 against the next wave

02:19:35.200 and the next one.

02:19:36.060 And I really hope

02:19:36.660 to see that.

02:19:37.360 But sometimes,

02:19:38.180 I talk to the liberals

02:19:39.740 on the One Minute Podcast

02:19:40.580 and these people,

02:19:42.040 if you ask like

02:19:42.600 random people on the street,

02:19:43.640 they have no idea

02:19:44.860 about anything.

02:19:46.440 Just for like the 10,000 people

02:19:47.960 here on Rumble,

02:19:48.700 like just to be on,

02:19:49.720 people don't even know

02:19:50.440 about this website.

02:19:51.140 Like most people

02:19:52.760 are completely brainwashed

02:19:54.560 and I don't want to sound

02:19:55.400 like a doomer

02:19:56.380 by saying this,

02:19:57.060 but it's just being realistic.

02:19:58.140 You ask the average person,

02:19:59.460 they have no idea

02:20:00.520 about anything

02:20:01.360 that's going on at all.

02:20:02.980 They don't even know

02:20:03.380 what's happening

02:20:03.800 in Israel and Palestine.

02:20:04.680 You think that's normal

02:20:05.500 because on this side

02:20:06.760 of the world,

02:20:07.400 we speak about this

02:20:08.200 every single day,

02:20:09.020 but they have no idea.

02:20:10.260 I ask them a simple question,

02:20:11.480 like what do you think

02:20:12.280 about Israel and Palestine?

02:20:13.140 Who's side of you?

02:20:13.660 I'm like,

02:20:13.940 I don't get involved.

02:20:15.560 I don't know about all that.

02:20:17.360 Like I'm getting to the bag.

02:20:18.800 Like that's the average

02:20:20.080 person's life.

02:20:21.260 So to be optimistic,

02:20:22.680 it is hard,

02:20:23.420 but you have to,

02:20:24.440 you have to have hope

02:20:25.280 or otherwise they're going

02:20:25.940 to be able to stop

02:20:26.600 all over us.

02:20:27.400 Well, the white pill is

02:20:28.240 those people will come

02:20:29.140 along with us.

02:20:30.100 The real question is,

02:20:31.800 you know,

02:20:32.000 we have to win over the elites.

02:20:33.200 We have to take over

02:20:33.720 the elite institutions

02:20:34.620 and then those,

02:20:35.440 just as surely as those people

02:20:36.620 go along with the left,

02:20:37.640 they'll go along with us.

02:20:39.020 We have to shift culture

02:20:39.820 to theirs who are going

02:20:40.460 to follow us.

02:20:41.300 We have to be the cool guys

02:20:42.260 and then they're going

02:20:42.760 to follow each other

02:20:43.480 to vote for it.

02:20:44.640 So there's,

02:20:45.020 there's multiple ways

02:20:45.900 you have to attack this.

02:20:46.840 You know,

02:20:46.960 there's the information,

02:20:47.920 there's the talking

02:20:48.780 to people intelligently,

02:20:49.860 but a lot of the dumb people,

02:20:50.820 you just have to make them

02:20:51.500 like, oh,

02:20:51.940 these guys are voting

02:20:52.660 that way.

02:20:53.680 Yeah.

02:20:54.180 There was one dude

02:20:54.880 that I got him

02:20:55.860 to become a Muslim

02:20:57.180 like on the one minute

02:20:58.200 podcast because he's like,

02:20:59.220 I'm looking for something.

02:21:00.100 I'm like,

02:21:00.400 you might as well

02:21:01.020 look into Islam.

02:21:01.680 He's like, yeah.

02:21:02.420 And he said the shahada

02:21:03.480 and then I look at his,

02:21:04.500 I don't want to put him

02:21:04.960 up last,

02:21:05.320 but I looked at his

02:21:05.880 Twitter afterwards.

02:21:06.980 All of his tweets

02:21:07.700 are about like,

02:21:09.120 man,

02:21:09.380 I just want to eat pussy.

02:21:11.600 It like means like

02:21:13.660 when she sits on your face,

02:21:15.080 like I'm like,

02:21:15.660 I wanted to find his Twitter

02:21:18.260 so I could DM him

02:21:18.980 and like teach him

02:21:19.560 more about and then,

02:21:21.220 but those are the guys

02:21:22.720 that are going to come along,

02:21:23.580 you know,

02:21:23.840 but that's,

02:21:24.480 that's the starting point

02:21:25.480 is eating pussy

02:21:26.180 and then they're going to

02:21:27.280 graduate from there.

02:21:28.540 But yeah,

02:21:29.380 I don't want to,

02:21:29.900 I don't want to keep

02:21:30.340 everybody here too long.

02:21:31.440 Thank you for coming on.

02:21:32.480 I appreciate it.

02:21:33.240 A little bit late,

02:21:33.900 a little black people time,

02:21:34.920 but you know,

02:21:35.440 we're a little busy.

02:21:36.880 Okay.

02:21:37.120 Yeah,

02:21:37.320 I do understand.

02:21:38.240 I got everything going on

02:21:39.180 this weekend.

02:21:39.980 Yeah,

02:21:40.260 exactly right.

02:21:41.020 This is probably

02:21:41.760 the busiest weekend

02:21:42.760 of the year.

02:21:43.920 Yes.

02:21:44.320 But thanks so much,

02:21:45.400 Jake Shields.

02:21:45.940 I highly appreciate you.

02:21:47.180 Soldier in this fight.

02:21:48.140 Thanks for having me, man.

02:21:48.580 And Nick Fuentes,

02:21:49.360 thank you so much

02:21:49.960 for coming on AFPAC tomorrow.

02:21:51.700 Is it going to be live streamed?

02:21:53.060 Yes.

02:21:54.180 So we can see you

02:21:54.900 that time.

02:21:55.200 If I live to,

02:21:55.900 whatever he's asking.

02:21:56.920 Well,

02:21:57.380 we'll text the details tomorrow.

02:21:59.180 All the details tomorrow.

02:22:00.660 And Jake,

02:22:01.000 where can we find you?

02:22:02.820 Jake Shields,

02:22:04.040 AJJ Twitter is probably the best.

02:22:05.680 Jake Shields Instagram.

02:22:07.020 I think I'm finally

02:22:07.620 going to start a podcast.

02:22:08.400 I might as well.

02:22:09.180 I'm always around people

02:22:10.140 that are interesting.

02:22:11.120 So I might as well

02:22:11.680 share my ideas.

02:22:12.780 Yeah,

02:22:12.940 you have quite a good

02:22:13.980 network out there.

02:22:14.920 So I might as well

02:22:15.920 at least mess around

02:22:16.420 a little bit

02:22:16.880 and see if I can get it going.

02:22:17.980 So check out

02:22:18.540 Jake Shields' podcast

02:22:19.380 in the future.

02:22:20.020 I appreciate you guys

02:22:20.700 along with Love Speech.

02:22:21.460 I'll see you in the

02:22:21.900 Love Speech community.

02:22:23.020 Nick will be doing

02:22:23.620 a space very soon

02:22:24.520 when you're less busy.

02:22:25.900 Yes.

02:22:26.140 And everybody,

02:22:26.700 make sure to follow the stream.

02:22:27.780 We're almost at

02:22:28.180 400,000 followers on Rumble.

02:22:30.180 I highly appreciate you.

02:22:31.380 Free speech is extremely important.

02:22:32.620 Support these guys

02:22:33.360 and anybody on this side

02:22:34.300 of the movement

02:22:34.740 that's doing good things.

02:22:36.040 Make sure you support them

02:22:36.880 because it's bigger

02:22:38.400 than just entertainment.

02:22:39.340 This is a war

02:22:40.260 that we're fighting.

02:22:40.860 Appreciate you guys

02:22:41.560 and I'll see you soon.

02:22:42.640 Bye.

02:22:46.860 All right.

02:22:47.960 How are you guys going?

SNEAKO - June 14, 2024

SNEAKO X NICK FUENTES X JAKE SHIELDS

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