SNEAKO - June 20, 2023


SNEAKO & Young Don HEATED ＂Islam Versus Christianity＂ Debate!

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Nicolas Kenn De Balinthazy
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In this episode, we speak with a man who converted from catholicism to muslimism. He shares his perspective on the trinity and why he doesn t believe in it. He also shares some of the challenges he has faced in his conversion journey.

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00:00:00 don i'm not a globe tar i'm open-minded to it until i could see somebody prove i'm gonna i'm
00:00:06 gonna assume the earth is flat because it looks flat yeah yeah now what do you what's your uh
00:00:11 opinion on the on the trinity what's your explanation for that and do you think two
00:00:15 questions like one how do you describe the trinity and two do you think that jesus is god
00:00:20 yeah no i don't believe in the trinity and i don't i so here's the thing god is a person
00:00:25 right we have a creator an almighty the father he created all things his name is yahweh right in
00:00:31 islam you you refer to him as allah but allah i believe is just um arabic um arabic for for god
00:00:37 so it's like calling him god right so that's not his name dude in islam is does god have a name
00:00:44 no just allah okay all right so in the bible right in the book of exodus which is a part of the torah
00:00:53 which i believe muslims in islam recognize as you know a um accurately preserved portion of the
00:01:01 scriptures i think muslims particularly have a problem with the new testament but it don't 1.00
00:01:06 re i haven't heard them criticize the old testament that much so as far as i'm aware they acknowledge
00:01:13 the writings of moses have you heard anything otherwise to that i think that's correct but
00:01:18 there there's a lot of criticism in the quran about the way that jews conduct business and
00:01:23 credit especially like credit and interest all that's haram uh and everything and um in the
00:01:30 kabbalah and the talmud like all the the mysticism and stuff that's completely haram but yeah you know
00:01:37 it's interesting i don't what what have you heard about the jews and how they conduct interest like
00:01:42 they charge interest well if you look into the talmud there's a if you even look in the kabbalah
00:01:50 there's a lot of there's some verses where they talk about it's not a sin to lie to goy like they 1.00
00:01:57 don't think that you can lie to goy because they're the chosen people and they see others as the that's
00:02:04 all nonsense you know it is right yo what up donna you can hear me good yeah i can hear you good
00:02:11 brother how you doing my man doing good long time though see your talk yeah long time bro long time
00:02:18 how you been man i'm good i've been traveling a lot and just like working hard i have a fire video in
00:02:24 the works right now and then i'm going to be traveling more but grind and stop fire video like
00:02:29 old school sneaker like in the terms of like you out in the streets with a dslr not out in the streets
00:02:37 but uh yeah there's some out in the uh out in the street stuff but it's like a it's a commentary that i
00:02:42 just wrote um i had a fire new video too if you like the old sneaker the it's called rat race i put it
00:02:48 on twitter okay okay i'll check it out i'll check it out man yeah man so yeah you know a lot has
00:02:56 there's been a lot of evolution since we last spoke you know yeah you're a Pharisee now apparently 0.74
00:03:04 that's what they calling me because uh i preach keeping the commandments and all that but you know
00:03:10 um yeah and now and now you are a muslim i am yeah okay all right so so talk to me talk to me you i've
00:03:19 i've seen you had a number of conversations with muslims about your conversion have you had any
00:03:24 oh didn't you well i suppose you had a conversation with jideon no yeah with jideon and a lot of other
00:03:31 christians like nick fuentes and there's been uh i've been seeing a lot of debates and there's been
00:03:36 a lot of all the religious people are reacting to this stuff so i've been i've been i'm in tune
00:03:41 having a lot of conversation with people okay all right yeah so i mean i'm not here to like you know
00:03:49 debate or anything like that so you know i mean just tell me tell me i i think that i have a
00:03:56 different perspective than most christians so you know um what was the thing that because i remember
00:04:03 at one point we had spoke you were considering getting into catholicism yeah i mean i grew up
00:04:09 catholic i was baptized i almost got confirmed went there a long time in catholic church catechism all
00:04:15 that stuff but i think i had a similar conclusion to you and i'm not sure i don't want to put words
00:04:20 in your mouth but something things like the trinity never really made sense to me and i just couldn't
00:04:26 see anybody i like even to this day like i've spoken with so like zirka uh so many christians and
00:04:33 nobody nobody can has the right or has a an agreeable perspective on the trinity to other christians
00:04:41 like people can't really decide like um what kind of drove me away from that is um a lot of things
00:04:47 in catholicism i would say but the the trinity is a big one like i don't believe in worshiping a man
00:04:52 um and i know that christians also say that jesus is like jesus is king jesus is god but in the bible
00:04:59 jesus prayed to god so it's like why am i going to pray to a guy that was praying to god i i just wanted
00:05:04 to pray to god and i see islam as the only actual monotheistic religion yeah you know the doctrine 0.92
00:05:12 of the trinity um as you know i don't agree with the doctrine of the trinity as i've continued to
00:05:17 study the word of god and it's really a deep conversation in regards to you know following
00:05:26 who jesus is from the moment he was um brought forth from the father right jesus didn't start off as a
00:05:32 human being you know like we we would really have to have like i think a longer death conversation
00:05:39 just in private for me to break down the uh the word is ontology which is like what is jesus what is
00:05:49 he made of prior to his incarnation as a man who is he now what is his role what's his relationship with
00:05:54 the creator the father and all that but um that's that's some we'll talk we can talk about off stream
00:06:01 because it goes deep but it wasn't that hard of uh to convert to islam because islam actually
00:06:08 like follows a lot of the stuff that i already grew up with in catholicism for example like the
00:06:14 most respected woman in the quran is mariam or mary jesus's mother uh she's like number she's 0.94
00:06:21 mentioned the most in the quran and same thing with jesus like i just it makes sense to me that he
00:06:26 was a prophet and not the final prophet muhammad peace be upon him was the final prophet but jesus
00:06:31 was a prophet and he was uh delivering god's message but uh there were things that were
00:06:36 misinterpreted from christians uh and i think islam corrects a lot of that stuff so it's like most of
00:06:42 the stuff i already believed in and grew up with uh it seems like islam was just uh the final answer 0.99
00:06:47 interesting interesting yeah i mean like i said brother i didn't i didn't like i'm not trying to
00:06:57 like debate you on anything um i think a lot of this stuff really all that a man can do i believe
00:07:05 is present you with an argument and then it's up to you on your own time to like evaluate the argument
00:07:11 and like take the various points into consideration so okay i hear you i hear you but um
00:07:19 yeah i mean how about this how about this i mean we can we can go into flat earth we can go into
00:07:27 flat earth right now or we can continue down this road which road do you want to go down i just want
00:07:32 to talk to young don it's been a while it's whatever you want to talk about i'm an open book okay it's been
00:07:37 a while all right all right give me your rundown your understanding of life what is the point
00:07:45 first of all what is the point of islam to you what do you think is the point of islam what is the
00:07:51 what's the end goal the end goal is to make it into heaven and i think the the word i don't want to
00:08:00 uh say in this great i think it's um jana so just everything that you do we believe that everything
00:08:06 you do on earth is in a sense delayed gratification in order to be in eternal paradise which is
00:08:12 heaven so that that means doing a lot of things that humans don't naturally uh want to do when it
00:08:20 comes to your your first desire or pleasure for example you need to to wait until marriage and you're
00:08:24 not supposed to put alcohol into your body you're not supposed to put anything negative into your
00:08:28 body uh you're supposed to pray five times a day even when it's difficult you have to fast even
00:08:33 when it's difficult um because a lot of things that that we do enjoy like it's night it feels good
00:08:37 to eat a lot of food it feels good to eat when you want to eat and like first thing you want to do in
00:08:41 the morning um is drink water but ramadan exists so that you can appreciate food more and you appreciate
00:08:48 water more and it's the ultimate goal is to have a is to worship allah to worship god while we're here
00:08:57 because he created everything and we want to be we're going to be judged on the final day on the
00:09:02 day of judgment we're going to our actions are going to be judged and you want to do what is right
00:09:08 while we're here because you can't take wealth with you can't take anything else with you the only thing
00:09:12 that you have with you when you die is your soul and so how intact can you keep your soul before you
00:09:18 die and the way to do that is to not involve yourself in worldly pleasures and be a good person
00:09:24 um give money away you want to give 2.5 percent of your your money to charity you want to respect
00:09:31 people and just overall be a good person yeah yeah i mean a lot of that stuff is you know it sounds
00:09:41 very honorable sounds very noble and i don't have a problem with any of that stuff you know in fact
00:09:46 many of these kinds of behaviors are encouraged by god um through the scriptures
00:09:52 um but if i may can i give you my understanding of what chris what jesus was like pitching like to
00:10:04 understand so my unders so the end goal is you go to heaven it sounds like right and i imagine you go
00:10:10 to heaven in some kind of like a spiritual disembodied form is that your understanding
00:10:17 i don't know the exactly what i haven't finished the quran but from my understanding it's like
00:10:23 muslims we don't really think that we can conceptualize a lot of these things like we don't 1.00
00:10:28 think that it's important to conceptualize god because we are not capable of understanding what
00:10:34 exactly what god is like you don't you're not supposed to draw him you're not supposed to draw
00:10:39 muhammad pt upon him or any of the prophets you're just supposed to to be as good as you can here and then 0.90
00:10:44 uh you see eternal paradise i'm not sure exactly how it's um described but from from what i understand
00:10:51 the rest of islam it's not even worth trying to conceptualize so we don't know exactly what it
00:10:57 what it will look like or be like um but it will be internal paradise okay so all right let's let's
00:11:09 incorporate a little bit of flat earth into the conversation because i think this can help a lot
00:11:13 so i i saw your conversation with sheik sheik usman yeah he doesn't believe in flat earth
00:11:21 no clearly he believes the quran doesn't preach flat earth but you believe in flat earth i don't know
00:11:28 if i believe in flat earth but i just i haven't seen it round and there are some disagreements with
00:11:33 with muslims about that um i would say i've spoken to some other sheikhs and in different masjids
00:11:39 and mostly it's like they don't it doesn't say anything specifically about flat earth but from
00:11:45 what i understand it's not anything you know it's like the quran doesn't really specify that
00:11:50 you know so there's some some passages that say like the earth is spread spread thin like a rug or
00:11:57 like a carpet yeah but it's you know you you can't take a lot of this stuff from the quran literally
00:12:02 uh in english because it's it's written in arabic so they they encourage me to not 0.93
00:12:07 take everything literally and learn from a scholar they don't want you to like to read the quran and 0.88
00:12:13 then misinterpret a lot of time for example like there's some passages where it says um where some
00:12:19 people can misinterpret and think that god has two right hands but we can't conceptualize god so a lot
00:12:23 of it is metaphorical in the quran a lot of it you're not supposed to be able to translate literally
00:12:28 you know a lot of it is metaphorical like a song interesting yeah i mean you know i'm not an
00:12:36 expert in the quran but okay so we're we're me personally i believe that we live in a firmament
00:12:42 cosmology i don't believe we live on a spinning ball brother i'll be honest with you
00:12:47 i don't believe we live on a spinning ball man i believe we have there's a firmament above now of
00:12:53 course this is um primarily due to you know this is just what the scriptures preach right the bible
00:13:00 in the book of joshua teaches us that there was a day where god had the sun stand still for 24 hours
00:13:06 right this is clearly not a metaphor it's clearly not an analogy it's clearly like attempting to be
00:13:11 like a historical event being documented there was a point in time where the sun stood still in the sky
00:13:17 for 24 hours this is impossible on a spinning ball model of the earth all you got to do is youtube
00:13:24 what would happen if the earth stopped spinning there have been countless of like physics and
00:13:28 science channels that have made like models of that happening the earth would be absolutely destroyed
00:13:34 for the earth has come to a complete standstill there would be tsunamis hurricanes earthquakes
00:13:40 um tornadoes it would just completely rip the earth apart like no one would survive that
00:13:45 um and of course then there's the subsequent making the earth respin again which would cause the same
00:13:51 event to happen all over again so most certainly if the sun stopped um you know uh god would have
00:13:59 also had to hold break multiple rules of physics to to to like sustain that just for the sake of
00:14:08 the israelites having a battle that day no what is more likely is as the scripture clearly says that he
00:14:17 made the sun stop moving because the sun is a local body locked in one of the several firmament layers
00:14:25 right and he made it stop and hold in position um that would not have done anything significant to the
00:14:33 earth but anyway so the bible preaches you know the earth is on um foundations all kinds of things
00:14:38 um but beyond that there's also have you have you come across a youtube channel called founded earth
00:14:44 brothers no i haven't been that deep in flat earth bro you gotta look into it bro you gotta look into it
00:14:50 there's a reason why here's the thing if your mind is open enough to it i mean i've heard you speak on
00:14:56 various like um things that most people are just going to be you know they're just not they're you
00:15:04 know you know all the things bro you know all the things that the the the booster shots the you know
00:15:12 what's going on with children with people in positions of power and all that you're aware of
00:15:17 these things so you have a mind that is you know open enough to receive in these information this
00:15:24 information even though it goes against the mainstream narrative i want you to go check out
00:15:29 founded earth brothers the youtube channel and just look at their most viewed video it's a it's a
00:15:36 several hour long nasa compilation fail okay yeah yeah there's a lot of guys that i like uh owen
00:15:44 benjamin talks a lot about flat earth um zirka talks a lot about it i do have a question i saw this video
00:15:49 on instagram um this girl's like maybe we should live here it's like this video of ice
00:15:54 and it's like the sun doesn't set there in the summer you know it's just it's sunny it's it's
00:16:00 like completely bright out at midnight 1 a.m 2 a.m it's bright 24 hours i'm wondering how like what's
00:16:07 the explanation for that if the earth is flat then how come there's certain places when that's further
00:16:13 from the equator where the sun doesn't set like it does in the middle of earth well i mean if you go to
00:16:22 a youtube channel like eric dubay that's a eric space d-u-b-a-y eric dubay he has videos that covers
00:16:31 topics like that um essentially the simplified answer is that if you were to imagine the earth
00:16:38 being some kind of a spherical um not spherical like a circular plane like a plate the sun does not
00:16:48 follow the same path year round like the diameter or the radius of the the circle that the sun makes
00:16:55 over the plane of the earth it it gets smaller and it expands as the year goes on this is how we get the
00:17:02 various seasons so i'm sure that has something to do with um iceland being close to the center of the
00:17:09 plane of the earth and then this is probably during um you know the time of the year where the the sun's
00:17:18 circular path is the smallest and so it never leaves the vicinity of iceland for any specific
00:17:27 for for any significant period of time but i'm sure that's not a year-round thing you know what i'm
00:17:32 saying no it's not a year-round thing exactly yeah i'm open-minded to it i mean i've never seen the
00:17:37 earth curve it looks pretty flat to me so let me ask you something have you ever seen the flat part
00:17:45 of a ball no exactly right every single point on a sphere is curving away from the previous point
00:17:55 so the fact that you can observe tens of miles of horizon flat horizon that tells you that in that
00:18:04 alone tells you do you know what nasa means uh i don't want to get this wrong but uh do you know
00:18:11 what nasa means in hebrew yeah yeah um nasha right it means uh deception deception deception and in um
00:18:20 there's another language i think it might be um hindi nasa means some other evil darts thing i can't
00:18:30 remember right now but yeah bro it's all lies bro go and look at the nasa compilation by founded earth
00:18:36 brothers that will tell you everything you need to know it's maybe elon maybe elon musk was trying
00:18:41 to tell us space elon is elon is a part of it bro space x space isn't real no brother he's a part of
00:18:48 it he's telling people he's putting things on mars bro that's he's a part of the lie
00:18:52 no not the planet it's a star it's a wandering star in the firmament but yeah this idea that
00:19:00 that here's the thing here's the thing what a missed opportunity huh put a gopro on the the
00:19:06 spaceship and point it back to earth since he's saying you know forget the moon he sent this this
00:19:11 thing all the way to mars put a little camera on the back you know turn it to earth so we can see
00:19:16 it go from where it launched from all the way to the upper atmospheres of the globe all the way
00:19:22 out past you know the earth's orbit so we can just see the earth a time lapse of the earth getting
00:19:28 smaller and smaller and smaller till we see our little circle ball what a missed opportunity would
00:19:33 have cost him like a hundred dollars wow crazy how you can do that don i'm not a globe tarred i'm
00:19:39 open-minded to it until i could see somebody prove i'm gonna i'm gonna assume the earth is flat
00:19:44 because it looks flat yeah yeah now what do you what's your uh opinion on the on the trinity what's
00:19:50 your explanation for that and do you think two questions like one how do you describe the trinity
00:19:55 and two do you think that jesus is god yeah no i don't believe in the trinity and i don't i so
00:20:01 here's the thing god is a person right we have a creator an almighty the father he created all things
00:20:06 his name is yahweh right and islam you you refer to him as allah but allah i believe is just um
00:20:12 arabic um arabic for for god so it's like calling him god right so that's not his name dude in islam
00:20:20 is does god have a name no just allah okay all right so in the bible right in the book of exodus
00:20:28 which is a part of the torah which i believe muslims in islam recognize as you know a um accurately
00:20:37 preserved portion of the scriptures i think muslims particularly have a problem with the new 0.93
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