SNEAKO - This Gender Fluid Girl is Completely DELUSIONAL

00:00:00.000 chat can there be more than two genders what do you think this is one of the most viral this video

00:00:05.600 got shadow banned it has 43 million views and you can't even find it when you search it but they

00:00:09.520 still like the truth really prevails i personally think there's only two genders but what do you

00:00:14.300 think put the number in the chat you know this is just a series we do where a lot of people know my

00:00:19.220 point of view there are two genders go ahead and change my mind it's the opposite of cable news

00:00:22.300 we're not going to edit anything out of context you said you disagreed i'm open to new ideas

00:00:27.600 well i'm i'm wondering

00:00:29.120 i'm wondering the phrasing of the question are you arguing that um there's not more than like

00:00:38.720 man and woman are you arguing there's not a damn chat everybody says no you know that you're all

00:00:43.560 part of the problem you're all toxic and problematic do you know you're all transformer phobic

00:00:49.040 sex and gender or yeah i think i think there are two genders male and female

00:00:54.240 okay so you're you're saying that male and female is a gender not a sex that's the dumbest

00:01:00.020 argument that these people make gender and sex are two different things sex is biological and

00:01:04.720 gender is a construct chat are gender and sex not just exactly the same thing just different words

00:01:09.540 come on bro okay so okay and see that's that's where i would have to disagree okay

00:01:15.920 gender is a social construct male and male and female is something that uh would be by breath for

00:01:22.540 example uh you probably have a penis a male sex organ as what i but why would you assume that

00:01:29.100 do do you but you assumed it though okay i did i apologize no he's already transphobic and he just

00:01:37.200 started yeah i'm not trying to do any gotcha yeah it's interesting to me that you assumed that i

00:01:41.140 have a penis why uh because you look like a man bro look at him having to do mental gymnastics um

00:01:47.940 why did i assume that because you uh uh uh uh because of is it because of a societal construct

00:01:57.740 yeah because he's a man bro just say it that's why yes it wasn't because of my bone structure

00:02:03.800 or my penis bulge male and female is different than being a man or a woman okay and the fact that

00:02:16.180 we have as a society created man society man in the male gender roles uh and just as women gender roles

00:02:23.500 uh just as we would chat do we create do we create those roles or are they just natural

00:02:29.680 is that just what's supposed to happen in every species is this something that someone decided

00:02:35.660 and made up someone wrote legislation for generals or is that just the most natural thing ever

00:02:40.120 um anything else the same way that we would say that uh i don't know that music is good or

00:02:48.360 we have we have created it to place people into roles and so i'm saying that if you were male or female

00:02:56.140 if you identified more as a man and the gender roles that go with being a man that you have that

00:03:02.340 so you're saying so you're saying that that sex and gender are very different yes okay i understand

00:03:08.640 so that's your premise um so that's based on on kind of modern gender theory uh when did that start

00:03:14.700 i i i wouldn't know okay don't so i someone just don't know if i've said stephen crowder's an l i don't

00:03:19.300 understand why he he speaks facts for the most part i listen to him like yeah he's a white dude and so

00:03:24.160 people like oh you're a trump supporter but i have the same opinions as these guys but i don't get

00:03:28.580 labeled the same way as them i think because i'm not a white dude it's really easy to label these guys

00:03:34.540 all right okay so why let me ask you this before i guess before we get to the history why do you

00:03:42.220 accept that premise uh because he was told because it makes uh it makes the most sense to me i mean uh

00:03:51.440 the argument that we've created roles such as um being being feminine and we have associated it with

00:04:00.580 being female as opposed to being female is being feminine sure uh you understand you understand

00:04:07.720 that there are inconsistencies there for example with your presumption of my you know my penis

00:04:11.000 um let me ask you this then how many genders are there uh i would say if we're um we would say

00:04:18.680 that there are two genders being men and uh man and woman and then that there would be people that

00:04:25.860 don't accept either of those and that would be in a x or non-identifying category what's what's the

00:04:32.960 number how many genders are there i would infinite amount i can tell you isn't that important

00:04:37.660 um i mean they were the point is that before you know uh 1948 with simone de buvois and then

00:04:45.840 judith butler with modern sort of post-modernism feminism theory gender and sex were effectively

00:04:51.340 interchangeable you can even look on legal documentation depending on the permit they

00:04:54.340 are legally interchangeable i mean this is the way it's been with societies for millennia we've had

00:04:58.940 male and female um so when you radically change that you do have to have a number in in my opinion

00:05:06.440 and some kind of an end game it can't just be we're going to shift the rules based on how people

00:05:11.220 feel so i can understand if someone says hey you're exactly what we're doing is we're just shifting

00:05:15.600 the rules based on people feel and that's why people are now identifying as birds identifying as

00:05:20.820 they them these are my pronouns and you must say them matt walsh had a great point he said why do you

00:05:25.960 get to declare your pronouns do i get to declare my adjectives can i just identify as my adjectives

00:05:31.340 are handsome brilliant how is that any different from declaring your pronouns wrong that there's

00:05:37.200 difference between sex and gender but the burden of proof at that point would be on the person

00:05:42.160 asserting that they're different to tell me how many genders there are because we the society right

00:05:47.880 have to know this we have to function within certain parameters um and i and i would say that those

00:05:55.060 uh those parameters for gender would be whatever that person wants whatever they feel it to be

00:06:02.320 if they identify as a man or a woman or or a bird or plane they don't identify that would be

00:06:11.080 their prerogative and that it's not my place or your place to tell them that

00:06:16.640 they have to identify with being a man even if they are male or they have to identify as a woman even

00:06:22.480 if they are female um but we but we do that all the time people want to be things that they aren't

00:06:27.680 and we say that's not the case you know this is we constantly do that as a society so i don't

00:06:32.220 understand why it's i'm really sorry to interrupt your conversation but i have some logistical

00:06:35.580 questions for you my name is lauren chum and i work at smu student activities yes we manage the

00:06:40.120 outdoor events request process and we're gonna kick you up because i work at the student activity

00:06:44.580 shut the fuck up look at her chat what emoji should we spam for her i don't i'm not saying it

00:06:53.160 it's college republicans actually and you can speak with uh darren wherever darren is he spoke with drew

00:06:58.320 and we have a permission so okay thank you very much so sorry i'd like to continue on that thought

00:07:03.620 uh where were we sorry i forgot uh you were talking about um we have we do it all the time we do it all

00:07:09.660 the time so why why is it a problem to do it if someone we know biologically is a male or a female

00:07:15.060 um and that can never be changed yeah it can never be changed biologically uh but someone chooses to

00:07:21.740 say that they're not that's a very that's a very modern idea um and the question is why do we now

00:07:28.620 have to subscribe to that and then it gets in the idea chat chat she's brave stop compulsion of

00:07:34.960 language compelling language you know uh i work for the student activities association and i don't

00:07:40.060 like what you're saying so go away gender pronouns um what's allowed what's hate speech right it's a

00:07:45.940 it's a fundamental re-transformation of society based on from what i'm hearing from you unless i'm

00:07:52.820 mistaken abstracts i haven't heard a number i haven't heard what defines male or female only how

00:07:58.640 people feel and i just that's to me that's not very convincing or conducive toward a productive

00:08:03.800 society okay and i would uh and i would argue that um we're talking about uh like like you said when

00:08:12.440 i assumed that you had a penis when i have no idea if you have a penis or not um and that was pretty

00:08:17.760 racist to you i got a got a nice big penis there okay and so that people when uh boom book up people

00:08:24.280 subscribe to being uh you would say you see somebody that uh you would presume to be male and you ask

00:08:30.800 and you would assume that they are would identify as being a man sure um as you did yeah yes and uh

00:08:37.160 and so if um but if you had told me that you were that you um in fact don't identify as being a man

00:08:45.300 that you identify as being oh my god bro identify me identify this is why people get mad like what like

00:08:51.340 why are you not patient why don't you sit down to have a formal conversation because you hear this

00:08:55.660 nonsense coming out of his mouth i would believe that would be wrong of me to try and uh subscribe

00:09:01.680 you to being a man when you say you identify as a woman what if i told you that i believe i am a bobcat

00:09:08.280 well then i would say that that's how you identify and that's your prerogative good for you man good for

00:09:14.700 you i can allow that and just people are you you can identify as a cat now it makes no sense that

00:09:22.080 makes no sense what would you accept that would it be wrong of you to not accept it

00:09:26.260 yes really okay well listen i appreciate your intellectual consistency why would it be wrong of

00:09:35.320 you to not accept my identification as a bobcat because uh if you i did if you identify as a bobcat

00:09:44.900 man go for it great for you i hope you're the best bobcat on the fucking earth man even he knows

00:09:51.680 while he's saying it how dumb that is i appreciate it i think you're a nice guy i hope i hope this has

00:09:55.620 been productive and you you i believe this has been civil but um you do see obviously this is very

00:10:01.420 this is a very emotive uh argument that you're making right you're making an argument from a very

00:10:05.540 emotional place and i think it's because you're compassionate it's because you're a good person

00:10:08.360 but and i appreciate your intellectual consistency but the ramifications of saying that we have to

00:10:16.220 acknowledge somebody legally who identifies as a bobcat you understand would be insurmountable

00:10:22.660 the ramifications would be all sorts of new legal identifications that would be required which don't

00:10:28.100 currently exist why the conversation i would love it if you want to sit down afterward and i would love

00:10:33.700 to sit down and have look at her bald girl like and they're always they're always like i know that

00:10:40.460 there's but it's usually like a mid-white person i found this correlation with the transformers and

00:10:46.080 how much identifying they do it's usually just an average whitey who just needs a personality

00:10:52.400 continue this conversation i would well are you thank you thomas are you done yeah i appreciate it

00:10:57.680 thomas thank you i'm madison i'm co-president of spectrum how long until she gets triggered chat how

00:11:04.120 long is she going to last before she gets triggered and leaves lgbt organization

00:11:07.080 great love to talk to you about this great thank you madison my name's steven okay uh i appreciate

00:11:18.380 it uh you sitting down and um what is it that you disagree with so um i think you happen to be you're

00:11:25.020 confused on the idea of gender versus sex i'm confused okay yeah okay so when we say there are

00:11:30.480 only two genders we often confuse the idea of gender and sex sure this is a generalization and gender is a

00:11:36.300 social construct of xy chromosomes so we assume that or you know xy xx you know combination of

00:11:41.920 chromosomes um so we assume that you know male and female comes from your chromosomes right but uh

00:11:46.640 that's really just the idea that there's only two chas you ever see caillou possibilities of sex

00:11:53.880 right so even within sex itself you know you can be born uh intersex which means that you're born

00:12:00.340 with bro there's only like i hate this argument because there's literally like four people who are

00:12:04.480 intersex like you don't need okay they can have a different pronoun if you got a dick and a pussy

00:12:08.960 fine sure but that's like three people that doesn't have to the people identify i'm they them gender

00:12:15.680 fluid it's them sexual characteristics of both what we would consider male and female um and then you

00:12:22.040 have gender and gender is more about a mental state based off of societal societal so within our western

00:12:28.200 society we often discuss gender as being binary meaning that there's two options sure so boy girl man

00:12:34.240 woman however in other societies non-western societies there are more than two options okay

00:12:39.600 can i can i ask you a couple questions there to unpack wrong um appreciate you taking the time by

00:12:44.900 the way so what was your your name madison madison madison so let's go to the sex concept before

00:12:49.820 gender i think because the idea of gender being different from sex is predicated on the idea that

00:12:54.700 sex is um binary that's where you mentioned that term gender i hate that i have the same cut as

00:12:59.440 them her binary so you mentioned intersex during your quarantine when i couldn't go to the barber

00:13:04.800 i used to get the same exact cut as them but now the fade's already growing in but we have the same

00:13:10.280 cut okay i'm aware of intersex now of course intersex doesn't necessarily mean that someone is

00:13:15.500 completely between sexes usually they have very identifiable characteristics like a very large clitoris

00:13:20.440 or micro penis in that case it also affects 0.08 people think this is funny it's just true

00:13:25.500 less than 0.08 percent chat name one intersex person have you ever heard an intersex person

00:13:32.420 most of you don't even know what that is have you ever even met one it's a dude with a dick and a

00:13:36.760 pussy or a girl with a dick and a pussy they they go they just and most of the time they just chop it

00:13:41.120 off and choose one of population earth but they still exist they exist so i get to change my gender

00:13:47.220 because they exist look at you appropriating intersex culture ah from an anatomy class uh how many

00:13:54.580 fingers are you taught human beings have uh we're told typically that people have 10 however there

00:13:59.120 are people however there's other people with nine shut the fuck up but you're taught 10 right yeah so

00:14:04.580 we don't teach people there are people born with 11 fingers there are people born with 12 fingers yeah

00:14:07.520 but we don't completely dismiss that those people exist just because that they're uncommon do we we

00:14:12.500 teach that human beings have 10 fingers i would wager that everyone here has been taught yeah human

00:14:18.460 beings have 10 it's such a dumb conversation but look everyone's like intently listening

00:14:22.420 but this is just really really obvious shit figures of course there are anomalies that's the same way

00:14:27.980 that we treat intersex or these as you said you mentioned chromosomes genetic abnormalities that are

00:14:32.920 very very extreme case so i think what we need to do is remove this extreme case with sex just as we

00:14:38.360 would with how many fingers toes how many kidneys you have how many feet you have there's something

00:14:42.820 that's typical or something that's atypical then you go to gen chat stop putting the pig emoji

00:14:47.420 she's a queen he's their queen um this is where listen i'm open everyone has said sex is different

00:14:52.980 from gender and gender is not non-binary um so i would like allow you to kind of unpack that for me

00:15:00.380 yeah so uh in western society at least society so in our country in our society we believe we tend to

00:15:08.220 think of gender to be on this binary spectrum you don't well not even really a spectrum just a binary

00:15:13.300 so you have man woman and that's it those are the only two options however gender really is more

00:15:17.960 of a spectrum so it's non-binary there are not just two options okay you have man woman and then

00:15:24.140 everything that doesn't fit into just man and woman is considered non-binary that's an umbrella term

00:15:28.640 and that includes a lot of different categorizations so how many genders are there

00:15:32.620 there's infinite as many as you want i can't you can't put a number on the number of genders called it

00:15:37.300 because everyone uses different words to classify themselves i would how dumb is that that everybody

00:15:42.240 uses different words if everybody uses different words to classify themselves the language has no

00:15:47.420 meaning disagree i'm not that's where it changed my mind i'm not convinced that anyone can just use

00:15:53.300 any classification for themselves for their gender and certainly not that then we have to compel society

00:15:58.060 to address them this way right i'm sure you can understand that the compelling of language is an

00:16:05.080 issue so what gender do you think you are well i'm a male okay well i think maybe i think you're a

00:16:10.080 woman no legally i'm a male oh i think you're a woman what what it says on my driver's license that

00:16:15.880 i'm a male okay so that's your sex no it's yeah but i'm also a male that's your sex it says on my

00:16:21.140 carrier certificate that i'm a male semantics that's your sex not your gender gender some legal

00:16:25.560 documentation say gender what if i said i don't believe you it doesn't matter okay exactly it

00:16:29.780 doesn't matter if you don't believe me no it doesn't matter because biologically what gender do you

00:16:32.860 think i am i have no fucking clue caillou i would assume you're female yeah so you're making

00:16:39.000 assumptions yes i identify as non-binary

00:16:41.540 i identify as non-binary

00:16:47.080 it's just mid-white people it's average looking white people who just don't look feminine enough

00:16:54.500 and so they kind of look like a boy and so instead of just being an ugly girl

00:16:58.520 they're non-binary hey i don't respectfully it that doesn't matter it does matter now let me ask

00:17:04.840 you this what would you say if i have what pronouns you use for me it matters how i'm socializing

00:17:09.060 society it matters my gender it matters how i'm socializing society it matters the way that

00:17:15.100 bottom the chat bro i'm allowed to express myself it matters what bathroom i use it matters who i'm

00:17:19.740 allowed to live with it affects every aspect of my life so you saying so chat if i just identify as

00:17:24.180 non-binary can i go in the girl's bathroom and just yeah look at that non-binary dick bitches

00:17:30.200 what pronouns should i use you should use they them pronouns so you saying that you don't believe me

00:17:35.240 what if i don't if you don't i would consider that disrespectful and that's actually an act of

00:17:38.780 violence to misgender or trans an act of violence it's an act of violence to not use whatever

00:17:45.260 pronouns she decides what if i say it's an act of violence that my adjectives aren't handsome

00:17:51.020 slash brilliant what does violent mean none of these words have meaning anymore these people

00:17:57.340 literally live in imagination land bro it's an act of violence that is an act of violence to

00:18:02.120 intentionally misgender someone here we come to the issue and this is why i'm out here you don't

00:18:06.420 even know what violence means um you just said that's an act of violence that means it's an

00:18:10.420 actionable offense that means it's a crime so you believe that for me it's a crime i said it's an

00:18:14.120 act of violence okay an act of violence is a crime you stupid them things that are not

00:18:18.480 considered crimes or acts of violence okay so you believe it's a non-aggressive act of violence

00:18:22.600 i think that okay when you misgender someone if you were to misgender a trans woman yes trans women

00:18:29.220 especially trans women of color are the most are it's always a whitey talking about trans women of

00:18:35.100 color you don't want to get shut the fuck up about people of color bro just go back to shaving your

00:18:39.000 head and looking like caillou have the highest rate of murder within the lgbt community right

00:18:43.080 so if you were to intentionally misgender a trans woman that could put her at risk of murder you

00:18:49.120 understand that what i'm a victim i'm a victim i'm a victim because people think because i don't

00:18:59.480 i don't understand i'm sorry i don't understand i think that really does show that you're privileged

00:19:03.240 in the situation then yes i believe we're both i think you're extremely privileged in the situation

00:19:07.700 that you don't have to you're privileged you see this is the problem she can't accept the fact that

00:19:12.320 she's privileged so she just makes up a bunch of shit to become a minority because she doesn't want

00:19:17.320 to have to work for admiration she just wants to go find it with the pronouns you are privileged you're

00:19:23.420 a white bitch you're privileged your existence is privileged you have it so easy but you're just

00:19:29.800 mid and shave your head and now you're a minority okay cool well no you go back to being white bro

00:19:35.460 it's not all white people it's them bro like what the hell are you doing that or that you don't

00:19:40.280 have to worry about that or consider that that you don't feel like you need to respect people's

00:19:44.240 pronouns i'm considering this i'm asking you questions you said these are the pronouns i need

00:19:48.400 to use i said what if i don't you said that's an act of violence yeah i would consider that an act

00:19:52.020 of violence against me okay so that's a crime an act of just because you consider it an act of

00:19:56.840 violence doesn't make it an act of violence dummy violence against you is a crime she needs jesus

00:20:01.160 thank you finest gosh you need jesus i would consider that i know it's not just white people

00:20:05.780 i know it's nothing but pretty much but pretty much i've never met a non-binary fucking asian

00:20:11.520 have you met a non-binary like straight off the the border hopping off the wall mexican no they just

00:20:17.840 get to work these white people are bored bro in the midwest they got nothing going on so it is

00:20:22.340 this what they do i would consider you being disrespecting me as a person and that's not okay

00:20:27.480 and that's not even ethical it doesn't matter if it's legal it's not ethical and i don't know how

00:20:31.720 you can do something that's considered unethical i don't know how you i can't believe you would say

00:20:35.820 that cannot allow me to speak and ask questions based on your own premises please this is we're

00:20:40.320 trying to keep this civil i haven't yelled at you i haven't accused you of anything you're getting

00:20:43.640 very heated you said that's an act of violence how long until she gets up and leaves she's already

00:20:47.480 triggered but how long until she dips that's a crime okay i didn't say that was a crime an act of

00:20:52.420 violence against you is a crime so i did not say that yes you did

00:20:57.000 yes you did wrong you said it is an act of violence against you i said it's an act of

00:21:01.260 violence and i said misgendering anyone's an act yes you said it's an act of violence against that

00:21:05.020 person that is in fact a crime so here's my question since we've now decided we don't know

00:21:08.960 the number of genders it's a spectrum it exists there is no set number you've asserted the premise

00:21:14.480 that we are required to use the pronouns that are preferred by the individual we have no idea how

00:21:19.540 many pronouns there are we can never know how many pronouns there are and to not use a proper

00:21:23.020 pronoun you could ask is an act of violence against them did you ask my pronouns before you sat down

00:21:27.280 no no you didn't you fucking toxic homophobic racist incel no i didn't ask your pronouns because i

00:21:37.600 haven't referred to you with pronouns you didn't ask my pronouns though you just said you can ask

00:21:41.580 yeah you can ask what are your pronouns but you didn't ask what are your pronouns now she's asking

00:21:46.880 why you just talked about me being privileged you understand no one goes around asking pronouns

00:21:51.980 before they speak with people i asked and so to ask of a restructuring of society i did ask you

00:21:56.840 how you based on a number that's not tangible with gender versus sex is something that is

00:22:01.540 incredibly corrosive did i not ask you how you identify yourself no i don't believe so yes i did i did

00:22:06.400 actually you said you identify as male and that would after the conversation sure okay let's let's say

00:22:10.640 that sure so we need to ask pronouns before every person and if we don't use those pronouns yeah

00:22:14.880 how many pronouns are there uh as many as people feel like it ready they're it's the same kind of

00:22:21.060 thing there aren't like a limited number of pronouns just so people can see the sign would it be okay if

00:22:24.320 you just step aside for just a second there's no there's not a limited number of pronouns thank you

00:22:27.800 very much there's no limited number of pronouns no i would say the typical ones are she her hers

00:22:32.680 him his her his okay sorry him him who ha he ha lo zem zem they them theirs kapu papu kayu he him his and

00:22:42.540 they them theirs those are the typical number of pronouns we usually use three okay so i just want

00:22:47.780 to again the goal is here to change my i'm open to new ideas yeah there's no set

00:22:52.020 different kind of space around us i think i don't know no one's no one's being accosted here

00:22:58.820 we're just having a conversation there's no question of accosting we're just trying to like

00:23:02.060 bring the conversation so that it's not like a look at him trying to silence an open discussion he's

00:23:07.840 being respectful and they want this to end so bad they want to live in their nonsense so bad you

00:23:13.380 can't even have open dialogue bro like a separate stage spectacle kind of deal so like we're all in

00:23:18.780 conversation around and we can like engage with your sign sure i appreciate but it's but it's not

00:23:23.320 though actually it's a conversation between two willing participants right now and i will go other

00:23:26.980 people talking as well though i'm not i don't consent so um this is your setup and we're supposed

00:23:33.020 to just follow your rules yes yeah it's his fucking show stupid make your own why are you complaining

00:23:39.300 one is invited and we've gotten the proper permissions and i've said open campus a college

00:23:43.100 campus sure it's an open campus you can do whatever you want you can protest but it doesn't mean

00:23:48.180 that we're i'm going to be engaging in conversation with the crowd no that's not incorrect but i would

00:23:54.140 but i would love to continue my conversation here so when we talk about jen bro he's such a w interviewer

00:23:59.300 bro i would have been heated by that shit that's stupid ass like actually this is a campus and i

00:24:03.900 could do whatever i want okay but like he's not doing nothing wrong he's asking questions having an

00:24:10.580 exercising freedom of speech and she's that yeah i would have been already tight bro gender and sex

00:24:15.640 right this is a very new idea you said in western society it's not a new idea really no it's not so

00:24:20.100 when did when did gender theory start when did gender and sex become separate well they're actually

00:24:24.560 it it's not necessarily the idea of gender theory it's the idea that there have been different genders

00:24:30.140 outside of man woman for centuries okay how so yeah uh india in india you know they have third gender

00:24:37.660 native american cultures they have third genders in ancient egypt they had third genders okay you know so

00:24:43.500 that's a very it's a very western idea to say that there are only two genders and that this

00:24:47.680 whole thing is a new idea changing well you know what else is a very western idea so it seems to me

00:24:51.660 your your presupposition there correct me if i'm wrong is that because other cultures have done this

00:24:56.620 there's a precedent yeah most cultures everywhere of all time have had two genders i don't think that

00:25:03.640 we're hermetically sealed in any way so you do realize um and you talk about how very different it

00:25:08.100 was from western culture so antithetical to western culture you named india chat w who's w for

00:25:13.440 okay one for stephen two for caillou who's winning so far ancient egypt you know what else uh we also

00:25:19.820 believe in that's antithetical to those cultures we're against slavery

00:25:22.780 i'm sorry i'm so i'm really confused as to why you brought slavery let me let me i'm offended and

00:25:30.840 that's an act of violence about gender i would love to bring it up yeah it's kind of that's kind of my

00:25:34.700 point is because your premise is because it's found in other societies therefore it's okay

00:25:39.740 or it is to be good my point is there are plenty of other practices well i'm trying to get to why i

00:25:45.320 believe it's harmful and you're explaining why you don't but the point is if something was practiced

00:25:48.680 in another society and it was harmful in another society and we agree that it's harmful for example

00:25:53.360 we both agree that slavery was harmful we both agree that maybe cannibalism is harmful you can find

00:25:57.540 these practices in societies where the where the lgbqs at like who where you at bro i don't see any

00:26:03.960 my point is it's not a valid argument to simply say it's been found in other societies

00:26:08.280 if that practice is harmful so it comes down to the idea of is it productive or harmful for us to

00:26:16.640 separate the idea of sex and gender

00:26:18.960 so that's that's the question so other societies have done harmful things i think we can agree that

00:26:26.600 doesn't necessarily mean that it's i'm sorry i don't think i don't think respecting someone's

00:26:29.780 identity makes that harmful i don't understand i think i don't agree with you comparing gender

00:26:35.480 identity to cannibalism or slavery that seems pretty offensive i know it seems you think a lot

00:26:41.120 of what i've said is offensive you've been set up here from the get-go for it to be offensive and i'm

00:26:44.560 not trying to offend because they only know how to be triggered they just said in like i'm right

00:26:48.760 and i'm triggered and i can't believe you would say that and their whole argument tactic is just

00:26:54.440 waiting to call you a racist misogynistic bigot that's all they want to do they don't actually

00:27:00.140 want to talk to you let me re-explain what it is take any practice okay take the practice of

00:27:05.200 neck stretching for example which is you see that crossed arms like yeah you're you're a man and i

00:27:11.660 you're you're harmful okay it is harmful actually okay well some people well actually you're committing

00:27:18.440 a crime don't think it's harmful they don't think it's harmful in these societies take any

00:27:21.460 practice that's relatively benign that we believe to be harmful that they don't believe to be harmful

00:27:25.260 the point is just because another society at one point has practiced it doesn't make it correct

00:27:30.700 can we agree on that i i'm sorry i just i think you're making really false comparisons no i'm not i

00:27:37.800 do i think can we agree can we agree because listen they're also many chat rate rate or fit

00:27:43.100 like librarian vibes like bro you're in college you look like you're 53 like a society is the other

00:27:49.340 way right who've only ever remember two genders two sexes but that doesn't mean that's most other

00:27:53.300 genders don't exist that's most so you're implying that those societies were wrong i'm i'm implying

00:27:58.800 that they have their other societal standards societal standards are based off of a lot of things

00:28:04.280 it's very intersectional what we decide to accept in society so if you're going to say

00:28:08.980 well because you're essentially making the same art yeah society can be wrong society was wrong about

00:28:14.300 gay marriage you know i think people are wrong saying that you know gay marriage being gay is

00:28:19.920 unnatural and being gay is a crime not society being wrong but you know what we adapt to modern

00:28:25.220 times and i think that this is she's getting heated she's ready to start throwing hands right here

00:28:29.620 no debate this she just wants to fight but you just compared us to ancient egypt and india as though

00:28:35.280 that was a valid argument for convincing me why look at that how much pressure this is and he's still

00:28:40.100 staying composed all these college kids just ready to start a protest right now this isn't an ancient

00:28:45.420 practice this is still going on sure in other countries this is still but you just said it's

00:28:48.960 not fair to use other societal comparisons uh i'm saying it's not fair to compare gender to slavery

00:28:54.360 no no no no no i'm i'm trying to get to the premise of the argument i'm trying to get to the premise

00:28:58.980 gender you can't compare gender to slavery i'm a victim slavery's bad um actually slavery's bad

00:29:06.160 like that's not what he's saying dummy the premise of your argument here okay the premise i'm trying

00:29:10.260 to get this as very respectful as possible you've said this has been practiced in other societies for

00:29:14.340 a long time yeah my point is that's not an argument because there have been horrible things maybe benign

00:29:19.540 things maybe semi-harmful things in other societies we would both agree on that so it's not a valid

00:29:23.900 argument to bring slavery back though no one is arguing to bring slavery exactly so why are you

00:29:27.740 actually they are and of course it still exists in other countries in the middle east and some

00:29:30.460 countries that you've mentioned like i said i just i don't think you're making a fair comparison

00:29:33.240 i think you're kind of making a very fair i think you're kind of just going on a tangent in order

00:29:37.060 to try my point is it's not it's not an argument it is an argument i think it's an argument okay so

00:29:41.540 i will i will use your our western standards yo shout out to you to judith okay are not necessarily

00:29:46.660 the pinnacle of what we should be doing western societal standards do not mean that we all need

00:29:52.720 to be following the same thing because we're not all western and we don't all follow those beliefs

00:29:57.380 so if a native american person of course you do if it's the law we all have to follow the law

00:30:01.000 yeah okay so yeah the law is different i think the law is different than a societal a societal

00:30:05.220 standard so legal societal standard well hold on a second how is how is the law different it is just

00:30:10.980 a bad fit like you just look like you suck the societal standard legally legally yeah yeah yeah

00:30:18.800 let's stay within those parameters okay sure so um in other there's other countries that are

00:30:24.600 considered western that would recognize a third gender sure yeah yeah i know that okay so why not so how

00:30:30.660 many genders are there it comes back to if we're going to chat who does she look like we're going

00:30:34.240 to change this who does they look like i'm sorry i'm sorry for misgendering you

00:30:37.660 so we are um sitting here talking about gender yeah so if i were do you hear the feminist fucking

00:30:46.520 just reciting articles right now while they're having a conversation they're so childish talk so

00:30:52.680 this is a modern theory in the united states right sex and gender were interchangeable no i'm gonna finish

00:30:57.060 one sentence here okay i would appreciate that you've been very privileged in in speaking over

00:31:00.620 me um i'm not convinced right the john do you hear in the background in 2013 fox news just like

00:31:06.140 they're fucking children up here to sit down and change my mind i think that's very productive for

00:31:10.120 you to do with other people on campus i don't think this is a way to change somebody's mind i don't

00:31:14.280 think you want your mind changed i i have had my mind changed well instead of instead of assuming that

00:31:19.260 how about actively trying to change it so my point is you've mentioned that it's non-binary but you

00:31:25.640 haven't given me a number of genders and how we restructure society you've merely pointed out that

00:31:30.180 it's an act of violence to use an improper pronoun now she dead looks like lesbian peter griffin okay

00:31:36.360 okay sorry that would have you just talked about a societal standard if the societal standard is using

00:31:41.740 the wrong pronoun is an act of violence against somebody i think that's an incredibly dangerous

00:31:46.760 societal standard and it's one that nobody can uphold consistently would we not agree i said i

00:31:51.980 mean intentionally using the wrong gender i mean when you know someone's pronouns you intentionally

00:31:56.500 use the wrong pronouns because you don't agree with them or you don't recognize their identity to be

00:32:00.380 real so if i accidentally call you a he because you kind of look like a dude i'm committing an act

00:32:05.920 of violence that's an act of chat said she looks like if 11 from stranger things ate 11 that's purposely

00:32:11.940 disrespecting someone you no one wants to be purposefully disrespected i i am

00:32:16.740 believe me i understand you the wrong name all the time how would you feel i i would feel very

00:32:21.160 disrespected how would you feel exactly if you for example came in bombastically and other people

00:32:25.320 interrupting i'd feel very disrespected can she develop that act of violence thing like where

00:32:30.300 does that take us if someone uses the offensive pronoun it's yeah so it's intentionally using the

00:32:34.740 wrong pronoun so if you ask someone their pronouns or they were correct you and say no sorry these are

00:32:38.800 my correct pronouns and you continue to disrespect them you have to understand how much that puts a

00:32:45.120 trans person at risk yeah does that person go to get arrested for using the wrong pronoun or

00:32:49.960 like it's an act of violence active violence i don't and i know that you like to say that an

00:32:54.260 act of violence mean that it's legally a crime it is that's not how i'm defining an act of violence

00:32:59.340 it doesn't matter how you define an act of violence this is the thing we have to have legal definition

00:33:02.300 how you define an act of i identify as an act of violence no matter how the law defines the act of

00:33:08.340 violence i don't think it does you don't think it matters how the law defines i know i'm saying that

00:33:13.060 an act of violence does not have to mean that it's a crime i'm saying that it's an act of violence

00:33:17.400 against another person unwilling participant you know she just said if it's disrespectful it's an

00:33:23.140 act of violence is in fact a crime legally there's no way around that can we agree on that

00:33:27.140 can we agree on that let's find some common ground can we agree an act of violence against

00:33:31.000 somebody else is a crime and no one should commit it i'm saying no one should commit it i'm not

00:33:35.200 going to say that it's necessarily oh my god okay but it is illegal say something that makes sense

00:33:39.900 for five seconds carl from jimmy neutron i'll allow i'll allow you to assume what you want but

00:33:44.740 it is illegal thought then i would like you to finish your earlier thought but i think this is a

00:33:48.140 very central point to the argument because this is one of the first things that you've said all she

00:33:51.480 has done is just in her all they have done is interrupt the whole time and we haven't found

00:33:55.780 common ground we don't agree on that i do find that the idea of yeah no sorry can i hear what

00:34:01.420 she has to say chat have you also she just misgendered her she didn't even ask how she

00:34:05.500 identifies before asking her questions so chat who's winning have you has your mind been changed

00:34:10.640 at all by carl from jimmy neutron and she wants to take my question so since this is an equal setup

00:34:16.280 no i appreciate well you can sit down afterwards and we'll have a conversation no no listen i would

00:34:22.140 like to have a conversation with one person and then you can all line up and have one on one

00:34:25.420 conversation but i do i don't consent so i'll have a one-on-one conversation

00:34:31.060 it's not shoving a microphone dummy it's his fucking show i'm not shoving a microphone jesus christ you

00:34:40.940 see how they only know how to be victims you're literally shoving a microphone in her face they

00:34:45.520 just victimize themselves with the microphone it's an act of violence to interview somebody

00:34:51.160 i'm simply holding it so let her have the mic but you just said let her it's a name feminist you

00:34:59.020 just misgendered her that's an act of violence this is not an equal setup i've paid for this microphone

00:35:04.000 this is my microphone so would you like to would you like to have her take your place i'd like to

00:35:10.680 finish my thought that you haven't let me finished yet actually okay do we have a time code

00:35:14.880 do we have a time code these people are just the worst i believe it's been about uh over 30 minutes

00:35:20.260 but go ahead yeah so i would like to finish my thought because i it actually hasn't been over

00:35:23.500 30 minutes it's been less than 30 minutes okay go ahead um so my thought is that you talk about

00:35:27.640 legal ramifications how many look at him shoving the microphone in her face by leaning in so that she

00:35:32.160 could be audible genders are there okay so when you have countries that recognize third genders

00:35:37.700 or non-binary gender options you know how they put that on their form non-binary other yeah she's

00:35:44.980 non-binary they're non-binary the feminist who was speaking up for her just misgendered her

00:35:49.000 and they didn't even say nothing about it you know they're gender right how is that complicated

00:35:54.940 well can i can i tell you how it's problematic how is that problematic it's problematic because you

00:35:59.400 have people who've been sued arrested or put out of business for unknowingly using the improper

00:36:03.980 pronouns and that's the point that i'm making there's been a you're you're referring to a

00:36:07.900 societal standard what can be filled out on a form that's your premise michael i've connected it to

00:36:12.620 the mainframe you can hack it to your phone and make sure to text us so you can get the message in

00:36:16.800 michael i'm saying there's been a societal standard one that's biologically based for millennia which

00:36:22.240 we've now changed and we're punishing people who don't agree so you may think it's disrespectful for

00:36:26.180 someone to not use the pronouns that you demand i think it's equally respectful but disrespectful

00:36:30.120 to demand that somebody live in a spectrum that hasn't been agreed to and they don't even

00:36:34.940 understand look she's like pouting right now why are you frowning lester from gta

00:36:41.000 that yo check w comparison i didn't come up with that i don't know who did it in the chat but that

00:36:47.360 is too accurate how what businesses have been put out what you can put out a business for not using

00:36:53.480 the right pronouns oh in the uk this happens all the time in canada you know bill c16 specific business

00:36:57.900 yeah and both c16 in canada is really important for example we have uh we have comedians who've

00:37:02.080 been put before human rights tribunals so canada recognizes a third gender though

00:37:05.660 can't yeah canada does legally recognize their gender so the law is their legal standard that's

00:37:10.140 their societal standard right so the people who aren't you agreeing with that aren't agreeing with

00:37:14.280 their societal standard right but it's a societal standard that flies in the you're not agreeing with

00:37:17.600 my societal standard for mr t lexify face of biology and my issue is do you believe that people

00:37:24.680 should be put before human rights tribunals for using the improper gen gender is biology it was

00:37:29.360 until 1948 you know that right uh no i don't agree with you on that i'm sorry okay but when did

00:37:33.880 gender theory start i don't know the year of gender theories like two years ago it's funny this

00:37:38.440 video came out in 2017 and like it's still it's getting it's getting but now there's birds bro

00:37:43.100 i'm sorry i'm not a human encyclopedia okay it was 1948 simone de beauvoir and judith butler

00:37:48.700 these are people by the way when he started it there were still only two genders gender was a

00:37:51.780 grammatical issue usually used to refer to as a noun i'm french canadian so in french we have

00:37:55.900 masculine and feminine right it really is a very new concept and one that is not rooted in any kind

00:38:01.380 of biological precedent to say that there are unlimited genders that's the issue and so when

00:38:06.700 you are jailing people and punishing people for not adhering to an entirely new system that you

00:38:11.240 yourself hasn't that you haven't defined i do think that that's a problem i think saying that

00:38:16.020 somebody using improper pronouns is an act of violence against someone i just disagree i think that's

00:38:21.200 i think it's a real problem and i would hate this disrespectful i think it's disrespectful to

00:38:25.740 force somebody to use pronouns i think they're being invented by the day if i told they're not

00:38:30.360 yo chat doesn't she look like a strong six light seven being invented by the day i don't know where

00:38:35.520 you're getting that information how many genders are there how many pronouns are there she's literally

00:38:39.600 transition i can't define the number of genders or the number of pronouns exactly because anyone can

00:38:45.020 determine them they are being invented by the day new genders each day so if i told you that i

00:38:50.240 identified as you know if i said hey i want you i like the rattling high hats to use just my name not

00:38:56.820 my pronouns sure does that make you uncomfortable no right that wasn't hard transition was it no it

00:39:06.400 wasn't hard yeah exactly that's what people are asking you to do no yeah you know as a matter of fact

00:39:11.100 you have a ta we just had her on the program yesterday who uh sorry on monday um who got in

00:39:16.520 trouble for using the student's name because a student demanded that he use fem uh use masculine

00:39:20.980 pronouns even though she was a girl and he said listen i'm not comfortable with that i will use her

00:39:24.580 name masculine pronouns i believe that person would be using masculine pronouns and you just misgendered

00:39:29.820 them yeah also the feminist defending you misgendered you dummy name you said he used the name

00:39:35.980 said her yes yeah i did because she's a female um that's not how that works i think that is how

00:39:40.840 that works so we established that is how that works you agreed with me previously that we and we

00:39:45.040 established previously gender and sex are totally different no i don't agree no how do you know that

00:39:49.100 person's a female i know that because of biology and here's the thing gender theory did you look at

00:39:53.620 them did you like it's just like just shut the fuck up like happen to just like examine them and

00:39:58.360 decide that person's a female because of what you saw is their external genitalia can i ask you a

00:40:02.420 question yeah do you genuinely feel that i've been interrupting you more than you

00:40:06.020 you keep saying you're not able to finish a thought i haven't finished a phrase

00:40:14.020 i think you just finished a phrase that was a question bro do we want to score points or do we

00:40:19.660 want to be i think you've been interrupting me quite a bit and you just assumed a premise

00:40:22.880 she's been

00:40:23.360 i don't agree with no i that's my point that i've not been able to make is gender theory as you're

00:40:30.440 describing it is very new it started with simone de barboire in 1948 and what you're discussing is

00:40:35.640 the idea that actually came with judith butler the only the first time there was this idea that

00:40:39.000 there were more than two genders was john money i'm sure you're familiar with that case um that's

00:40:42.980 very new i don't and there's no biological

00:40:45.160 behind this theory it is based on an emotive response so i don't agree that gender and sex are

00:40:56.820 separate legal documentation sometimes don't say they're separate we're trying to adapt

00:41:00.580 that now based on how people feel and i don't think that we should adapt the law considering

00:41:07.800 something an act of she looks like walter white before the cancer violence because someone uses

00:41:11.720 a pronoun which is biologically correct because you consider an act of violence against you what's a

00:41:17.320 biological pronoun he her his how do we determine that language you fucking idiot whether they're

00:41:29.320 male or female yeah but how do we determine that what if we decided that she her hers was what we

00:41:34.940 we're going to use for males it doesn't matter it doesn't matter we right now yeah right now we have

00:41:40.100 male and female his or her standard right no it's a logical standard the words that we use are based

00:41:50.980 off of like what we as a society as a society yeah their reflection is pretty societally based okay

00:41:57.020 societally societal amphibian what about amphibians is that societally based an amphibian is a

00:42:04.660 is it i don't you know what i'm not a science major but i will say an amphibian is

00:42:09.040 a like scientific care classification of a reptile yeah it's a

00:42:16.120 classification of an animal species bush tree blueberry yeah okay these societal terms the point is that

00:42:24.860 language is a reflection of standards that we have a society are doctors sexist i think some doctors

00:42:31.800 are sexist are doctors transphobic to refer to their patients who have a penis and they come in

00:42:35.780 for a process those doctors are committing an act of violence it examines glasses kid from polar express

00:42:41.760 the male is that doctor hate speaking is that an act of aggression i think if that doctor misgenders

00:42:46.600 their patient then yeah they are being transphobic okay well i don't i my mind is not changed but i

00:42:51.920 think uh and i tried to find some common ground i'm sorry that we didn't i'm sorry i'm sorry that you

00:42:56.320 feel that way yeah thank you medicine i'm not gonna i figured oh whoa you can't even shake a hand

00:43:03.240 look at him you came out on top bro spam out of the chat for fucking bully from bully

00:43:10.320 wait wait wait wait wait wait

00:43:16.200 wait wait wait

00:43:24.200 oh

00:43:24.600 nah not being able to shake his hand is fucking

00:43:38.800 hey i'm doing well thurman how are you what's your head steven nice to meet you thurman sorry

00:43:47.900 yeah by the way if you'd like to hold the mic his name is thurman

00:43:51.900 okay the feminists also misgendered you and shoot and thank you for disrespecting me oh wow

00:44:08.800 you're just gonna commit an act of violence thank you i'm staying in a place that i don't like

00:44:13.560 i could be in a class of doing anything else but i'm staying where i'm triggered okay here's the

00:44:19.760 thing that was actually by accident because i've been using he and her for my entire life it's not

00:44:25.320 meant as an act of disrespect and now you see the problem in claiming that's an act of violence

00:44:29.180 against somebody i'm sure you can establish intent with every person you encounter thurman

00:44:35.040 how are you sir fantastic yeah it seems like there have been people who've gotten into a

00:44:42.540 fight at the dinner table and now we all have to put a good face on but thurman i'm i'm glad to

00:44:46.680 have you here i'm open to having my mind changed um so i'll just break this down for you basically

00:44:55.460 yeah so i think

00:44:57.580 basically you guys are trying to establish like sex and gender which technically are different

00:45:07.020 um and sex

00:45:09.900 down to more uh you know reproductive uh potentials and gender is like a lifestyle

00:45:16.900 and everything like that more societal yeah okay yeah yeah um look at him he's already willing to

00:45:24.780 take part in the theme of the show change my mind he's like okay let me just sit down be open-minded

00:45:29.020 i'm not going to sit and cross my arms and be triggered the whole time i really don't know

00:45:32.180 what to make of the uh of the new like gender standards now is in terms of like you know people

00:45:39.900 just living whatever lifestyle they want so if let's say someone that appears to be you know

00:45:45.440 lives a male's lifestyle um i don't understand where we transition to like having new classifications

00:45:54.160 and everything like that uh but technically speaking there are sexuality spectrum and gender

00:45:59.700 spectrum right so you have you know your typical healthy male your xy you have your typical healthy

00:46:05.260 female xx so if you have something like client filters right chad how much anime does you watch a day

00:46:11.720 now this isn't just i think there's variations of how many x rooms can i say one one question there

00:46:17.360 why do you say healthy xx xy um healthy meaning basically the standard non-deviant

00:46:24.580 what people would consider normal okay yeah so if you have client filters right technically speaking

00:46:30.560 um

00:46:31.900 that would be non-binary and that's not a lifestyle who does thermos look like that actually is a

00:46:39.100 biological thing sure so we discuss people who are intersex yeah yeah yeah so you'll have like

00:46:43.860 and that's not to say they're hermaphrodites because we don't have that in our species but

00:46:47.160 you know they'll have the two x's and the y's of under uh underdeveloped male um

00:46:52.160 sex um machinery i still see your shadows in my room

00:46:58.940 it's okay it's not going on it's not you're not going to worry we don't need to censor anything

00:47:04.180 you can use the right word and they can we talk about this either some men with like they call it

00:47:07.060 micropenis it's been used as an insult but it's an actual term yeah what you're referring to

00:47:10.280 or enlarged clitoris these are these are medical conditions as you're discussing

00:47:13.720 they have enlarged breasts you know smaller you know male reproductive organs high-pitched voices

00:47:18.840 you know genomastica yeah yeah so sure in that case and i'm not disagreeing with that yeah so in

00:47:25.120 that case yes there's no debate you know you technically are both sex wise and gender i i honestly

00:47:32.520 have no idea how to how to choose that that really kind of depends on sure or like how like severe

00:47:39.440 how severe cases sure um can i can i address a couple things there maybe follow up with some

00:47:44.100 questions um we talked about it earlier with intersex you know it affects such a small percent

00:47:47.620 of the population yeah um and most of these people actually have very identifiable um you know sexes

00:47:54.600 generally speaking it's not just right in the middle to be considered to talk about like the

00:47:58.140 previous conditions you mentioned men with these conditions or female with these conditions

00:48:01.000 that's often the the rule with intersex um not always right but um as we said we teach there are

00:48:07.480 people have two feet now some people don't have two feet in anatomy class we teach people have

00:48:12.200 ten toes we teach people have one heart we teach people have one head all of these things have

00:48:17.420 exceptions to the rules right all these medical aspects so the point is we don't use extreme

00:48:22.200 exception to define our rules as a matter of fact that's how we consider those exceptions yeah um so

00:48:28.160 biologically sex male and female this is how it's been taught i think we would all read that but sex

00:48:33.300 has been taught that way and then you've talked about gender you said you're not entirely sure so

00:48:37.580 i would like to hear your thoughts your opinions on on gender how that differs from sex and how we

00:48:43.380 define it uh just by definition gender is basically like your lifestyle like choices or lifestyle rules

00:48:50.100 so if you were saying hey baby i want to take you on a date like by the way would you like some water

00:48:57.300 all right i know it's hot out here no okay i appreciate it no so like if you're finding roles

00:49:02.580 right so like uh like let's say like courting so you know steve you ask a girl you know thinks

00:49:08.820 she's cute you say courting yeah yeah i ask a dame ask i ask i go court a dame i love it you're

00:49:14.820 using all term now no no i like it that's very respectful courting that means you're a gentleman yeah

00:49:20.020 so uh anyway so yeah you know you see a girl you know she's cute you take her out you asked her you

00:49:26.420 pay you know typically this how that goes so that would be like your gender roles your gender role as

00:49:32.020 a man okay yeah well you mentioned gender roles right and i hear that a lot we say gender roles

00:49:38.820 so are we to mean that gender as you know authenticated through whatever documentation we

00:49:44.020 provide right now or how we have to identify people are we really just saying is gender a synonym for

00:49:48.980 gender roles gender roles is the behavior of your gender does that make sense so like how you like

00:49:54.740 identify somebody's gender sure is basically the lifestyle choice just by definitions well i'm only

00:50:01.460 i'm only asking this again none of this has got you i'm asking because when i asked you how gender

00:50:04.740 was different you said it was more it was performative it was based on behavior yeah and then you said but

00:50:08.420 now this guy's boring

SNEAKO - August 05, 2022

This Gender Fluid Girl is Completely DELUSIONAL

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