SNEAKO - August 05, 2022
This Gender Fluid Girl is Completely DELUSIONAL
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Summary
In this episode, we have a special guest on the show, a transphobic Trump supporter and Trump supporter. We discuss the concept of gender and gender roles, modern gender theory, and whether or not there are more than two genders.
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chat can there be more than two genders what do you think this is one of the most viral this video
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got shadow banned it has 43 million views and you can't even find it when you search it but they
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still like the truth really prevails i personally think there's only two genders but what do you
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think put the number in the chat you know this is just a series we do where a lot of people know my
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point of view there are two genders go ahead and change my mind it's the opposite of cable news
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we're not going to edit anything out of context you said you disagreed i'm open to new ideas
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i'm wondering the phrasing of the question are you arguing that um there's not more than like
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man and woman are you arguing there's not a damn chat everybody says no you know that you're all
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part of the problem you're all toxic and problematic do you know you're all transformer phobic
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sex and gender or yeah i think i think there are two genders male and female
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okay so you're you're saying that male and female is a gender not a sex that's the dumbest
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argument that these people make gender and sex are two different things sex is biological and
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gender is a construct chat are gender and sex not just exactly the same thing just different words
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come on bro okay so okay and see that's that's where i would have to disagree okay
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gender is a social construct male and male and female is something that uh would be by breath for
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example uh you probably have a penis a male sex organ as what i but why would you assume that
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do do you but you assumed it though okay i did i apologize no he's already transphobic and he just
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started yeah i'm not trying to do any gotcha yeah it's interesting to me that you assumed that i
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have a penis why uh because you look like a man bro look at him having to do mental gymnastics um
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why did i assume that because you uh uh uh uh because of is it because of a societal construct
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yeah because he's a man bro just say it that's why yes it wasn't because of my bone structure
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or my penis bulge male and female is different than being a man or a woman okay and the fact that
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we have as a society created man society man in the male gender roles uh and just as women gender roles
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uh just as we would chat do we create do we create those roles or are they just natural
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is that just what's supposed to happen in every species is this something that someone decided
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and made up someone wrote legislation for generals or is that just the most natural thing ever
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um anything else the same way that we would say that uh i don't know that music is good or
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we have we have created it to place people into roles and so i'm saying that if you were male or female
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if you identified more as a man and the gender roles that go with being a man that you have that
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so you're saying so you're saying that that sex and gender are very different yes okay i understand
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so that's your premise um so that's based on on kind of modern gender theory uh when did that start
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i i i wouldn't know okay don't so i someone just don't know if i've said stephen crowder's an l i don't
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understand why he he speaks facts for the most part i listen to him like yeah he's a white dude and so
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people like oh you're a trump supporter but i have the same opinions as these guys but i don't get
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labeled the same way as them i think because i'm not a white dude it's really easy to label these guys
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all right okay so why let me ask you this before i guess before we get to the history why do you
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accept that premise uh because he was told because it makes uh it makes the most sense to me i mean uh
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the argument that we've created roles such as um being being feminine and we have associated it with
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being female as opposed to being female is being feminine sure uh you understand you understand
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that there are inconsistencies there for example with your presumption of my you know my penis
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um let me ask you this then how many genders are there uh i would say if we're um we would say
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that there are two genders being men and uh man and woman and then that there would be people that
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don't accept either of those and that would be in a x or non-identifying category what's what's the
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number how many genders are there i would infinite amount i can tell you isn't that important
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um i mean they were the point is that before you know uh 1948 with simone de buvois and then
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judith butler with modern sort of post-modernism feminism theory gender and sex were effectively
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interchangeable you can even look on legal documentation depending on the permit they
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are legally interchangeable i mean this is the way it's been with societies for millennia we've had
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male and female um so when you radically change that you do have to have a number in in my opinion
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and some kind of an end game it can't just be we're going to shift the rules based on how people
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feel so i can understand if someone says hey you're exactly what we're doing is we're just shifting
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the rules based on people feel and that's why people are now identifying as birds identifying as
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they them these are my pronouns and you must say them matt walsh had a great point he said why do you
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get to declare your pronouns do i get to declare my adjectives can i just identify as my adjectives
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are handsome brilliant how is that any different from declaring your pronouns wrong that there's
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difference between sex and gender but the burden of proof at that point would be on the person
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asserting that they're different to tell me how many genders there are because we the society right
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have to know this we have to function within certain parameters um and i and i would say that those
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uh those parameters for gender would be whatever that person wants whatever they feel it to be
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if they identify as a man or a woman or or a bird or plane they don't identify that would be
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their prerogative and that it's not my place or your place to tell them that
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they have to identify with being a man even if they are male or they have to identify as a woman even
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if they are female um but we but we do that all the time people want to be things that they aren't
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and we say that's not the case you know this is we constantly do that as a society so i don't
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understand why it's i'm really sorry to interrupt your conversation but i have some logistical
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questions for you my name is lauren chum and i work at smu student activities yes we manage the
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outdoor events request process and we're gonna kick you up because i work at the student activity
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shut the fuck up look at her chat what emoji should we spam for her i don't i'm not saying it
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it's college republicans actually and you can speak with uh darren wherever darren is he spoke with drew
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and we have a permission so okay thank you very much so sorry i'd like to continue on that thought
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uh where were we sorry i forgot uh you were talking about um we have we do it all the time we do it all
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the time so why why is it a problem to do it if someone we know biologically is a male or a female
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um and that can never be changed yeah it can never be changed biologically uh but someone chooses to
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say that they're not that's a very that's a very modern idea um and the question is why do we now
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have to subscribe to that and then it gets in the idea chat chat she's brave stop compulsion of
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language compelling language you know uh i work for the student activities association and i don't
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like what you're saying so go away gender pronouns um what's allowed what's hate speech right it's a
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it's a fundamental re-transformation of society based on from what i'm hearing from you unless i'm
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mistaken abstracts i haven't heard a number i haven't heard what defines male or female only how
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people feel and i just that's to me that's not very convincing or conducive toward a productive
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society okay and i would uh and i would argue that um we're talking about uh like like you said when
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i assumed that you had a penis when i have no idea if you have a penis or not um and that was pretty
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racist to you i got a got a nice big penis there okay and so that people when uh boom book up people
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subscribe to being uh you would say you see somebody that uh you would presume to be male and you ask
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and you would assume that they are would identify as being a man sure um as you did yeah yes and uh
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and so if um but if you had told me that you were that you um in fact don't identify as being a man
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that you identify as being oh my god bro identify me identify this is why people get mad like what like
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why are you not patient why don't you sit down to have a formal conversation because you hear this
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nonsense coming out of his mouth i would believe that would be wrong of me to try and uh subscribe
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you to being a man when you say you identify as a woman what if i told you that i believe i am a bobcat
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well then i would say that that's how you identify and that's your prerogative good for you man good for
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you i can allow that and just people are you you can identify as a cat now it makes no sense that
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makes no sense what would you accept that would it be wrong of you to not accept it
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yes really okay well listen i appreciate your intellectual consistency why would it be wrong of
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you to not accept my identification as a bobcat because uh if you i did if you identify as a bobcat
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man go for it great for you i hope you're the best bobcat on the fucking earth man even he knows
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while he's saying it how dumb that is i appreciate it i think you're a nice guy i hope i hope this has
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been productive and you you i believe this has been civil but um you do see obviously this is very
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this is a very emotive uh argument that you're making right you're making an argument from a very
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emotional place and i think it's because you're compassionate it's because you're a good person
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but and i appreciate your intellectual consistency but the ramifications of saying that we have to
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acknowledge somebody legally who identifies as a bobcat you understand would be insurmountable
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the ramifications would be all sorts of new legal identifications that would be required which don't
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currently exist why the conversation i would love it if you want to sit down afterward and i would love
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to sit down and have look at her bald girl like and they're always they're always like i know that
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there's but it's usually like a mid-white person i found this correlation with the transformers and
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how much identifying they do it's usually just an average whitey who just needs a personality
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continue this conversation i would well are you thank you thomas are you done yeah i appreciate it
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thomas thank you i'm madison i'm co-president of spectrum how long until she gets triggered chat how
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long is she going to last before she gets triggered and leaves lgbt organization
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great love to talk to you about this great thank you madison my name's steven okay uh i appreciate
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it uh you sitting down and um what is it that you disagree with so um i think you happen to be you're
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confused on the idea of gender versus sex i'm confused okay yeah okay so when we say there are
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only two genders we often confuse the idea of gender and sex sure this is a generalization and gender is a
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social construct of xy chromosomes so we assume that or you know xy xx you know combination of
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chromosomes um so we assume that you know male and female comes from your chromosomes right but uh
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that's really just the idea that there's only two chas you ever see caillou possibilities of sex
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right so even within sex itself you know you can be born uh intersex which means that you're born
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with bro there's only like i hate this argument because there's literally like four people who are
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intersex like you don't need okay they can have a different pronoun if you got a dick and a pussy
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fine sure but that's like three people that doesn't have to the people identify i'm they them gender
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fluid it's them sexual characteristics of both what we would consider male and female um and then you
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have gender and gender is more about a mental state based off of societal societal so within our western
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society we often discuss gender as being binary meaning that there's two options sure so boy girl man
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woman however in other societies non-western societies there are more than two options okay
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can i can i ask you a couple questions there to unpack wrong um appreciate you taking the time by
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the way so what was your your name madison madison madison so let's go to the sex concept before
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gender i think because the idea of gender being different from sex is predicated on the idea that
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sex is um binary that's where you mentioned that term gender i hate that i have the same cut as
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them her binary so you mentioned intersex during your quarantine when i couldn't go to the barber
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i used to get the same exact cut as them but now the fade's already growing in but we have the same
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cut okay i'm aware of intersex now of course intersex doesn't necessarily mean that someone is
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completely between sexes usually they have very identifiable characteristics like a very large clitoris
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or micro penis in that case it also affects 0.08 people think this is funny it's just true
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less than 0.08 percent chat name one intersex person have you ever heard an intersex person
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most of you don't even know what that is have you ever even met one it's a dude with a dick and a
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pussy or a girl with a dick and a pussy they they go they just and most of the time they just chop it
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off and choose one of population earth but they still exist they exist so i get to change my gender
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because they exist look at you appropriating intersex culture ah from an anatomy class uh how many
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fingers are you taught human beings have uh we're told typically that people have 10 however there
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are people however there's other people with nine shut the fuck up but you're taught 10 right yeah so
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we don't teach people there are people born with 11 fingers there are people born with 12 fingers yeah
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but we don't completely dismiss that those people exist just because that they're uncommon do we we
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teach that human beings have 10 fingers i would wager that everyone here has been taught yeah human
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beings have 10 it's such a dumb conversation but look everyone's like intently listening
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but this is just really really obvious shit figures of course there are anomalies that's the same way
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that we treat intersex or these as you said you mentioned chromosomes genetic abnormalities that are
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very very extreme case so i think what we need to do is remove this extreme case with sex just as we
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would with how many fingers toes how many kidneys you have how many feet you have there's something
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that's typical or something that's atypical then you go to gen chat stop putting the pig emoji
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she's a queen he's their queen um this is where listen i'm open everyone has said sex is different
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from gender and gender is not non-binary um so i would like allow you to kind of unpack that for me
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yeah so uh in western society at least society so in our country in our society we believe we tend to
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think of gender to be on this binary spectrum you don't well not even really a spectrum just a binary
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so you have man woman and that's it those are the only two options however gender really is more
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of a spectrum so it's non-binary there are not just two options okay you have man woman and then
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everything that doesn't fit into just man and woman is considered non-binary that's an umbrella term
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and that includes a lot of different categorizations so how many genders are there
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there's infinite as many as you want i can't you can't put a number on the number of genders called it
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because everyone uses different words to classify themselves i would how dumb is that that everybody
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uses different words if everybody uses different words to classify themselves the language has no
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meaning disagree i'm not that's where it changed my mind i'm not convinced that anyone can just use
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any classification for themselves for their gender and certainly not that then we have to compel society
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to address them this way right i'm sure you can understand that the compelling of language is an
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issue so what gender do you think you are well i'm a male okay well i think maybe i think you're a
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woman no legally i'm a male oh i think you're a woman what what it says on my driver's license that
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i'm a male okay so that's your sex no it's yeah but i'm also a male that's your sex it says on my
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carrier certificate that i'm a male semantics that's your sex not your gender gender some legal
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documentation say gender what if i said i don't believe you it doesn't matter okay exactly it
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doesn't matter if you don't believe me no it doesn't matter because biologically what gender do you
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think i am i have no fucking clue caillou i would assume you're female yeah so you're making
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it's just mid-white people it's average looking white people who just don't look feminine enough
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and so they kind of look like a boy and so instead of just being an ugly girl
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they're non-binary hey i don't respectfully it that doesn't matter it does matter now let me ask
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you this what would you say if i have what pronouns you use for me it matters how i'm socializing
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society it matters my gender it matters how i'm socializing society it matters the way that
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bottom the chat bro i'm allowed to express myself it matters what bathroom i use it matters who i'm
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allowed to live with it affects every aspect of my life so you saying so chat if i just identify as
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non-binary can i go in the girl's bathroom and just yeah look at that non-binary dick bitches
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what pronouns should i use you should use they them pronouns so you saying that you don't believe me
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what if i don't if you don't i would consider that disrespectful and that's actually an act of
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violence to misgender or trans an act of violence it's an act of violence to not use whatever
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pronouns she decides what if i say it's an act of violence that my adjectives aren't handsome
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slash brilliant what does violent mean none of these words have meaning anymore these people
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literally live in imagination land bro it's an act of violence that is an act of violence to
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intentionally misgender someone here we come to the issue and this is why i'm out here you don't
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even know what violence means um you just said that's an act of violence that means it's an
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actionable offense that means it's a crime so you believe that for me it's a crime i said it's an
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act of violence okay an act of violence is a crime you stupid them things that are not
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considered crimes or acts of violence okay so you believe it's a non-aggressive act of violence
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i think that okay when you misgender someone if you were to misgender a trans woman yes trans women
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especially trans women of color are the most are it's always a whitey talking about trans women of
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color you don't want to get shut the fuck up about people of color bro just go back to shaving your
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head and looking like caillou have the highest rate of murder within the lgbt community right
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so if you were to intentionally misgender a trans woman that could put her at risk of murder you
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understand that what i'm a victim i'm a victim i'm a victim because people think because i don't
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i don't understand i'm sorry i don't understand i think that really does show that you're privileged
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in the situation then yes i believe we're both i think you're extremely privileged in the situation
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that you don't have to you're privileged you see this is the problem she can't accept the fact that
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she's privileged so she just makes up a bunch of shit to become a minority because she doesn't want
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to have to work for admiration she just wants to go find it with the pronouns you are privileged you're
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a white bitch you're privileged your existence is privileged you have it so easy but you're just
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mid and shave your head and now you're a minority okay cool well no you go back to being white bro
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it's not all white people it's them bro like what the hell are you doing that or that you don't
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have to worry about that or consider that that you don't feel like you need to respect people's
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pronouns i'm considering this i'm asking you questions you said these are the pronouns i need
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to use i said what if i don't you said that's an act of violence yeah i would consider that an act
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of violence against me okay so that's a crime an act of just because you consider it an act of
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violence doesn't make it an act of violence dummy violence against you is a crime she needs jesus
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thank you finest gosh you need jesus i would consider that i know it's not just white people
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i know it's nothing but pretty much but pretty much i've never met a non-binary fucking asian
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have you met a non-binary like straight off the the border hopping off the wall mexican no they just
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get to work these white people are bored bro in the midwest they got nothing going on so it is
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this what they do i would consider you being disrespecting me as a person and that's not okay
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and that's not even ethical it doesn't matter if it's legal it's not ethical and i don't know how
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you can do something that's considered unethical i don't know how you i can't believe you would say
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that cannot allow me to speak and ask questions based on your own premises please this is we're
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trying to keep this civil i haven't yelled at you i haven't accused you of anything you're getting
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very heated you said that's an act of violence how long until she gets up and leaves she's already
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triggered but how long until she dips that's a crime okay i didn't say that was a crime an act of
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violence against you is a crime so i did not say that yes you did
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yes you did wrong you said it is an act of violence against you i said it's an act of
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violence and i said misgendering anyone's an act yes you said it's an act of violence against that
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person that is in fact a crime so here's my question since we've now decided we don't know
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the number of genders it's a spectrum it exists there is no set number you've asserted the premise
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that we are required to use the pronouns that are preferred by the individual we have no idea how
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many pronouns there are we can never know how many pronouns there are and to not use a proper
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pronoun you could ask is an act of violence against them did you ask my pronouns before you sat down
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no no you didn't you fucking toxic homophobic racist incel no i didn't ask your pronouns because i
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haven't referred to you with pronouns you didn't ask my pronouns though you just said you can ask
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yeah you can ask what are your pronouns but you didn't ask what are your pronouns now she's asking
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why you just talked about me being privileged you understand no one goes around asking pronouns
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before they speak with people i asked and so to ask of a restructuring of society i did ask you
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how you based on a number that's not tangible with gender versus sex is something that is
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incredibly corrosive did i not ask you how you identify yourself no i don't believe so yes i did i did
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actually you said you identify as male and that would after the conversation sure okay let's let's say
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that sure so we need to ask pronouns before every person and if we don't use those pronouns yeah
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how many pronouns are there uh as many as people feel like it ready they're it's the same kind of
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thing there aren't like a limited number of pronouns just so people can see the sign would it be okay if
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you just step aside for just a second there's no there's not a limited number of pronouns thank you
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very much there's no limited number of pronouns no i would say the typical ones are she her hers
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him his her his okay sorry him him who ha he ha lo zem zem they them theirs kapu papu kayu he him his and
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they them theirs those are the typical number of pronouns we usually use three okay so i just want
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to again the goal is here to change my i'm open to new ideas yeah there's no set
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different kind of space around us i think i don't know no one's no one's being accosted here
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we're just having a conversation there's no question of accosting we're just trying to like
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bring the conversation so that it's not like a look at him trying to silence an open discussion he's
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being respectful and they want this to end so bad they want to live in their nonsense so bad you
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can't even have open dialogue bro like a separate stage spectacle kind of deal so like we're all in
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conversation around and we can like engage with your sign sure i appreciate but it's but it's not
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though actually it's a conversation between two willing participants right now and i will go other
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people talking as well though i'm not i don't consent so um this is your setup and we're supposed
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to just follow your rules yes yeah it's his fucking show stupid make your own why are you complaining
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one is invited and we've gotten the proper permissions and i've said open campus a college
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campus sure it's an open campus you can do whatever you want you can protest but it doesn't mean
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that we're i'm going to be engaging in conversation with the crowd no that's not incorrect but i would
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but i would love to continue my conversation here so when we talk about jen bro he's such a w interviewer
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bro i would have been heated by that shit that's stupid ass like actually this is a campus and i
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could do whatever i want okay but like he's not doing nothing wrong he's asking questions having an
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exercising freedom of speech and she's that yeah i would have been already tight bro gender and sex
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right this is a very new idea you said in western society it's not a new idea really no it's not so
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when did when did gender theory start when did gender and sex become separate well they're actually
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it it's not necessarily the idea of gender theory it's the idea that there have been different genders
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outside of man woman for centuries okay how so yeah uh india in india you know they have third gender
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native american cultures they have third genders in ancient egypt they had third genders okay you know so
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that's a very it's a very western idea to say that there are only two genders and that this
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whole thing is a new idea changing well you know what else is a very western idea so it seems to me
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your your presupposition there correct me if i'm wrong is that because other cultures have done this
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there's a precedent yeah most cultures everywhere of all time have had two genders i don't think that
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we're hermetically sealed in any way so you do realize um and you talk about how very different it
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was from western culture so antithetical to western culture you named india chat w who's w for
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okay one for stephen two for caillou who's winning so far ancient egypt you know what else uh we also
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believe in that's antithetical to those cultures we're against slavery
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i'm sorry i'm so i'm really confused as to why you brought slavery let me let me i'm offended and
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that's an act of violence about gender i would love to bring it up yeah it's kind of that's kind of my
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point is because your premise is because it's found in other societies therefore it's okay
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or it is to be good my point is there are plenty of other practices well i'm trying to get to why i
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believe it's harmful and you're explaining why you don't but the point is if something was practiced
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in another society and it was harmful in another society and we agree that it's harmful for example
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we both agree that slavery was harmful we both agree that maybe cannibalism is harmful you can find
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these practices in societies where the where the lgbqs at like who where you at bro i don't see any
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my point is it's not a valid argument to simply say it's been found in other societies
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if that practice is harmful so it comes down to the idea of is it productive or harmful for us to
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so that's that's the question so other societies have done harmful things i think we can agree that
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doesn't necessarily mean that it's i'm sorry i don't think i don't think respecting someone's
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identity makes that harmful i don't understand i think i don't agree with you comparing gender
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identity to cannibalism or slavery that seems pretty offensive i know it seems you think a lot
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of what i've said is offensive you've been set up here from the get-go for it to be offensive and i'm
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not trying to offend because they only know how to be triggered they just said in like i'm right
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and i'm triggered and i can't believe you would say that and their whole argument tactic is just
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waiting to call you a racist misogynistic bigot that's all they want to do they don't actually
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want to talk to you let me re-explain what it is take any practice okay take the practice of
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neck stretching for example which is you see that crossed arms like yeah you're you're a man and i
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you're you're harmful okay it is harmful actually okay well some people well actually you're committing
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a crime don't think it's harmful they don't think it's harmful in these societies take any
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practice that's relatively benign that we believe to be harmful that they don't believe to be harmful
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the point is just because another society at one point has practiced it doesn't make it correct
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can we agree on that i i'm sorry i just i think you're making really false comparisons no i'm not i
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do i think can we agree can we agree because listen they're also many chat rate rate or fit
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like librarian vibes like bro you're in college you look like you're 53 like a society is the other
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way right who've only ever remember two genders two sexes but that doesn't mean that's most other
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genders don't exist that's most so you're implying that those societies were wrong i'm i'm implying
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that they have their other societal standards societal standards are based off of a lot of things
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it's very intersectional what we decide to accept in society so if you're going to say
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well because you're essentially making the same art yeah society can be wrong society was wrong about
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gay marriage you know i think people are wrong saying that you know gay marriage being gay is
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unnatural and being gay is a crime not society being wrong but you know what we adapt to modern
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times and i think that this is she's getting heated she's ready to start throwing hands right here
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no debate this she just wants to fight but you just compared us to ancient egypt and india as though
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that was a valid argument for convincing me why look at that how much pressure this is and he's still
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staying composed all these college kids just ready to start a protest right now this isn't an ancient
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practice this is still going on sure in other countries this is still but you just said it's
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not fair to use other societal comparisons uh i'm saying it's not fair to compare gender to slavery
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no no no no no i'm i'm trying to get to the premise of the argument i'm trying to get to the premise
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gender you can't compare gender to slavery i'm a victim slavery's bad um actually slavery's bad
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like that's not what he's saying dummy the premise of your argument here okay the premise i'm trying
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to get this as very respectful as possible you've said this has been practiced in other societies for
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a long time yeah my point is that's not an argument because there have been horrible things maybe benign
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things maybe semi-harmful things in other societies we would both agree on that so it's not a valid
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argument to bring slavery back though no one is arguing to bring slavery exactly so why are you
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actually they are and of course it still exists in other countries in the middle east and some
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countries that you've mentioned like i said i just i don't think you're making a fair comparison
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i think you're kind of making a very fair i think you're kind of just going on a tangent in order
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to try my point is it's not it's not an argument it is an argument i think it's an argument okay so
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i will i will use your our western standards yo shout out to you to judith okay are not necessarily
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the pinnacle of what we should be doing western societal standards do not mean that we all need
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to be following the same thing because we're not all western and we don't all follow those beliefs
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so if a native american person of course you do if it's the law we all have to follow the law
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yeah okay so yeah the law is different i think the law is different than a societal a societal
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standard so legal societal standard well hold on a second how is how is the law different it is just
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a bad fit like you just look like you suck the societal standard legally legally yeah yeah yeah
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let's stay within those parameters okay sure so um in other there's other countries that are
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considered western that would recognize a third gender sure yeah yeah i know that okay so why not so how
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many genders are there it comes back to if we're going to chat who does she look like we're going
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to change this who does they look like i'm sorry i'm sorry for misgendering you
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so we are um sitting here talking about gender yeah so if i were do you hear the feminist fucking
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just reciting articles right now while they're having a conversation they're so childish talk so
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this is a modern theory in the united states right sex and gender were interchangeable no i'm gonna finish
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one sentence here okay i would appreciate that you've been very privileged in in speaking over
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me um i'm not convinced right the john do you hear in the background in 2013 fox news just like
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they're fucking children up here to sit down and change my mind i think that's very productive for
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you to do with other people on campus i don't think this is a way to change somebody's mind i don't
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think you want your mind changed i i have had my mind changed well instead of instead of assuming that
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how about actively trying to change it so my point is you've mentioned that it's non-binary but you
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haven't given me a number of genders and how we restructure society you've merely pointed out that
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it's an act of violence to use an improper pronoun now she dead looks like lesbian peter griffin okay
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okay sorry that would have you just talked about a societal standard if the societal standard is using
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the wrong pronoun is an act of violence against somebody i think that's an incredibly dangerous
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societal standard and it's one that nobody can uphold consistently would we not agree i said i
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mean intentionally using the wrong gender i mean when you know someone's pronouns you intentionally
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use the wrong pronouns because you don't agree with them or you don't recognize their identity to be
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real so if i accidentally call you a he because you kind of look like a dude i'm committing an act
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of violence that's an act of chat said she looks like if 11 from stranger things ate 11 that's purposely
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disrespecting someone you no one wants to be purposefully disrespected i i am
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believe me i understand you the wrong name all the time how would you feel i i would feel very
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disrespected how would you feel exactly if you for example came in bombastically and other people
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interrupting i'd feel very disrespected can she develop that act of violence thing like where
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does that take us if someone uses the offensive pronoun it's yeah so it's intentionally using the
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wrong pronoun so if you ask someone their pronouns or they were correct you and say no sorry these are
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my correct pronouns and you continue to disrespect them you have to understand how much that puts a
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trans person at risk yeah does that person go to get arrested for using the wrong pronoun or
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like it's an act of violence active violence i don't and i know that you like to say that an
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act of violence mean that it's legally a crime it is that's not how i'm defining an act of violence
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it doesn't matter how you define an act of violence this is the thing we have to have legal definition
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how you define an act of i identify as an act of violence no matter how the law defines the act of
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violence i don't think it does you don't think it matters how the law defines i know i'm saying that
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an act of violence does not have to mean that it's a crime i'm saying that it's an act of violence
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against another person unwilling participant you know she just said if it's disrespectful it's an
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act of violence is in fact a crime legally there's no way around that can we agree on that
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can we agree on that let's find some common ground can we agree an act of violence against
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somebody else is a crime and no one should commit it i'm saying no one should commit it i'm not
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going to say that it's necessarily oh my god okay but it is illegal say something that makes sense
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for five seconds carl from jimmy neutron i'll allow i'll allow you to assume what you want but
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it is illegal thought then i would like you to finish your earlier thought but i think this is a
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very central point to the argument because this is one of the first things that you've said all she
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has done is just in her all they have done is interrupt the whole time and we haven't found
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common ground we don't agree on that i do find that the idea of yeah no sorry can i hear what
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she has to say chat have you also she just misgendered her she didn't even ask how she
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identifies before asking her questions so chat who's winning have you has your mind been changed
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at all by carl from jimmy neutron and she wants to take my question so since this is an equal setup
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no i appreciate well you can sit down afterwards and we'll have a conversation no no listen i would
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like to have a conversation with one person and then you can all line up and have one on one
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conversation but i do i don't consent so i'll have a one-on-one conversation
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it's not shoving a microphone dummy it's his fucking show i'm not shoving a microphone jesus christ you
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see how they only know how to be victims you're literally shoving a microphone in her face they
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just victimize themselves with the microphone it's an act of violence to interview somebody
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i'm simply holding it so let her have the mic but you just said let her it's a name feminist you
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just misgendered her that's an act of violence this is not an equal setup i've paid for this microphone
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this is my microphone so would you like to would you like to have her take your place i'd like to
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finish my thought that you haven't let me finished yet actually okay do we have a time code
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do we have a time code these people are just the worst i believe it's been about uh over 30 minutes
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but go ahead yeah so i would like to finish my thought because i it actually hasn't been over
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30 minutes it's been less than 30 minutes okay go ahead um so my thought is that you talk about
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legal ramifications how many look at him shoving the microphone in her face by leaning in so that she
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could be audible genders are there okay so when you have countries that recognize third genders
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or non-binary gender options you know how they put that on their form non-binary other yeah she's
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non-binary they're non-binary the feminist who was speaking up for her just misgendered her
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and they didn't even say nothing about it you know they're gender right how is that complicated
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well can i can i tell you how it's problematic how is that problematic it's problematic because you
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have people who've been sued arrested or put out of business for unknowingly using the improper
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pronouns and that's the point that i'm making there's been a you're you're referring to a
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societal standard what can be filled out on a form that's your premise michael i've connected it to
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the mainframe you can hack it to your phone and make sure to text us so you can get the message in
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michael i'm saying there's been a societal standard one that's biologically based for millennia which
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we've now changed and we're punishing people who don't agree so you may think it's disrespectful for
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someone to not use the pronouns that you demand i think it's equally respectful but disrespectful
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to demand that somebody live in a spectrum that hasn't been agreed to and they don't even
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understand look she's like pouting right now why are you frowning lester from gta
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that yo check w comparison i didn't come up with that i don't know who did it in the chat but that
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is too accurate how what businesses have been put out what you can put out a business for not using
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the right pronouns oh in the uk this happens all the time in canada you know bill c16 specific business
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yeah and both c16 in canada is really important for example we have uh we have comedians who've
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been put before human rights tribunals so canada recognizes a third gender though
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can't yeah canada does legally recognize their gender so the law is their legal standard that's
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their societal standard right so the people who aren't you agreeing with that aren't agreeing with
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their societal standard right but it's a societal standard that flies in the you're not agreeing with
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my societal standard for mr t lexify face of biology and my issue is do you believe that people
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should be put before human rights tribunals for using the improper gen gender is biology it was
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until 1948 you know that right uh no i don't agree with you on that i'm sorry okay but when did
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gender theory start i don't know the year of gender theories like two years ago it's funny this
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video came out in 2017 and like it's still it's getting it's getting but now there's birds bro
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i'm sorry i'm not a human encyclopedia okay it was 1948 simone de beauvoir and judith butler
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these are people by the way when he started it there were still only two genders gender was a
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grammatical issue usually used to refer to as a noun i'm french canadian so in french we have
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masculine and feminine right it really is a very new concept and one that is not rooted in any kind
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of biological precedent to say that there are unlimited genders that's the issue and so when
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you are jailing people and punishing people for not adhering to an entirely new system that you
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yourself hasn't that you haven't defined i do think that that's a problem i think saying that
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somebody using improper pronouns is an act of violence against someone i just disagree i think that's
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i think it's a real problem and i would hate this disrespectful i think it's disrespectful to
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force somebody to use pronouns i think they're being invented by the day if i told they're not
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yo chat doesn't she look like a strong six light seven being invented by the day i don't know where
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you're getting that information how many genders are there how many pronouns are there she's literally
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transition i can't define the number of genders or the number of pronouns exactly because anyone can
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determine them they are being invented by the day new genders each day so if i told you that i
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identified as you know if i said hey i want you i like the rattling high hats to use just my name not
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my pronouns sure does that make you uncomfortable no right that wasn't hard transition was it no it
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wasn't hard yeah exactly that's what people are asking you to do no yeah you know as a matter of fact
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you have a ta we just had her on the program yesterday who uh sorry on monday um who got in
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trouble for using the student's name because a student demanded that he use fem uh use masculine
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pronouns even though she was a girl and he said listen i'm not comfortable with that i will use her
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name masculine pronouns i believe that person would be using masculine pronouns and you just misgendered
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them yeah also the feminist defending you misgendered you dummy name you said he used the name
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said her yes yeah i did because she's a female um that's not how that works i think that is how
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that works so we established that is how that works you agreed with me previously that we and we
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established previously gender and sex are totally different no i don't agree no how do you know that
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person's a female i know that because of biology and here's the thing gender theory did you look at
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them did you like it's just like just shut the fuck up like happen to just like examine them and
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decide that person's a female because of what you saw is their external genitalia can i ask you a
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question yeah do you genuinely feel that i've been interrupting you more than you
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you keep saying you're not able to finish a thought i haven't finished a phrase
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i think you just finished a phrase that was a question bro do we want to score points or do we
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want to be i think you've been interrupting me quite a bit and you just assumed a premise
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i don't agree with no i that's my point that i've not been able to make is gender theory as you're
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describing it is very new it started with simone de barboire in 1948 and what you're discussing is
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the idea that actually came with judith butler the only the first time there was this idea that
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there were more than two genders was john money i'm sure you're familiar with that case um that's
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behind this theory it is based on an emotive response so i don't agree that gender and sex are
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separate legal documentation sometimes don't say they're separate we're trying to adapt
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that now based on how people feel and i don't think that we should adapt the law considering
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something an act of she looks like walter white before the cancer violence because someone uses
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a pronoun which is biologically correct because you consider an act of violence against you what's a
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biological pronoun he her his how do we determine that language you fucking idiot whether they're
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male or female yeah but how do we determine that what if we decided that she her hers was what we
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we're going to use for males it doesn't matter it doesn't matter we right now yeah right now we have
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male and female his or her standard right no it's a logical standard the words that we use are based
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off of like what we as a society as a society yeah their reflection is pretty societally based okay
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societally societal amphibian what about amphibians is that societally based an amphibian is a
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is it i don't you know what i'm not a science major but i will say an amphibian is
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a like scientific care classification of a reptile yeah it's a
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classification of an animal species bush tree blueberry yeah okay these societal terms the point is that
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language is a reflection of standards that we have a society are doctors sexist i think some doctors
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are sexist are doctors transphobic to refer to their patients who have a penis and they come in
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for a process those doctors are committing an act of violence it examines glasses kid from polar express
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the male is that doctor hate speaking is that an act of aggression i think if that doctor misgenders
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their patient then yeah they are being transphobic okay well i don't i my mind is not changed but i
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think uh and i tried to find some common ground i'm sorry that we didn't i'm sorry i'm sorry that you
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feel that way yeah thank you medicine i'm not gonna i figured oh whoa you can't even shake a hand
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look at him you came out on top bro spam out of the chat for fucking bully from bully
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nah not being able to shake his hand is fucking
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hey i'm doing well thurman how are you what's your head steven nice to meet you thurman sorry
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yeah by the way if you'd like to hold the mic his name is thurman
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okay the feminists also misgendered you and shoot and thank you for disrespecting me oh wow
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you're just gonna commit an act of violence thank you i'm staying in a place that i don't like
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i could be in a class of doing anything else but i'm staying where i'm triggered okay here's the
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thing that was actually by accident because i've been using he and her for my entire life it's not
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meant as an act of disrespect and now you see the problem in claiming that's an act of violence
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against somebody i'm sure you can establish intent with every person you encounter thurman
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how are you sir fantastic yeah it seems like there have been people who've gotten into a
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fight at the dinner table and now we all have to put a good face on but thurman i'm i'm glad to
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have you here i'm open to having my mind changed um so i'll just break this down for you basically
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basically you guys are trying to establish like sex and gender which technically are different
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down to more uh you know reproductive uh potentials and gender is like a lifestyle
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and everything like that more societal yeah okay yeah yeah um look at him he's already willing to
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take part in the theme of the show change my mind he's like okay let me just sit down be open-minded
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i'm not going to sit and cross my arms and be triggered the whole time i really don't know
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what to make of the uh of the new like gender standards now is in terms of like you know people
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just living whatever lifestyle they want so if let's say someone that appears to be you know
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lives a male's lifestyle um i don't understand where we transition to like having new classifications
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and everything like that uh but technically speaking there are sexuality spectrum and gender
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spectrum right so you have you know your typical healthy male your xy you have your typical healthy
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female xx so if you have something like client filters right chad how much anime does you watch a day
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now this isn't just i think there's variations of how many x rooms can i say one one question there
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why do you say healthy xx xy um healthy meaning basically the standard non-deviant
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what people would consider normal okay yeah so if you have client filters right technically speaking
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that would be non-binary and that's not a lifestyle who does thermos look like that actually is a
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biological thing sure so we discuss people who are intersex yeah yeah yeah so you'll have like
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and that's not to say they're hermaphrodites because we don't have that in our species but
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you know they'll have the two x's and the y's of under uh underdeveloped male um
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sex um machinery i still see your shadows in my room
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it's okay it's not going on it's not you're not going to worry we don't need to censor anything
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you can use the right word and they can we talk about this either some men with like they call it
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micropenis it's been used as an insult but it's an actual term yeah what you're referring to
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or enlarged clitoris these are these are medical conditions as you're discussing
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they have enlarged breasts you know smaller you know male reproductive organs high-pitched voices
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you know genomastica yeah yeah so sure in that case and i'm not disagreeing with that yeah so in
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that case yes there's no debate you know you technically are both sex wise and gender i i honestly
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have no idea how to how to choose that that really kind of depends on sure or like how like severe
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how severe cases sure um can i can i address a couple things there maybe follow up with some
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questions um we talked about it earlier with intersex you know it affects such a small percent
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of the population yeah um and most of these people actually have very identifiable um you know sexes
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generally speaking it's not just right in the middle to be considered to talk about like the
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previous conditions you mentioned men with these conditions or female with these conditions
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that's often the the rule with intersex um not always right but um as we said we teach there are
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people have two feet now some people don't have two feet in anatomy class we teach people have
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ten toes we teach people have one heart we teach people have one head all of these things have
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exceptions to the rules right all these medical aspects so the point is we don't use extreme
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exception to define our rules as a matter of fact that's how we consider those exceptions yeah um so
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biologically sex male and female this is how it's been taught i think we would all read that but sex
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has been taught that way and then you've talked about gender you said you're not entirely sure so
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i would like to hear your thoughts your opinions on on gender how that differs from sex and how we
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define it uh just by definition gender is basically like your lifestyle like choices or lifestyle rules
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so if you were saying hey baby i want to take you on a date like by the way would you like some water
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all right i know it's hot out here no okay i appreciate it no so like if you're finding roles
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right so like uh like let's say like courting so you know steve you ask a girl you know thinks
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she's cute you say courting yeah yeah i ask a dame ask i ask i go court a dame i love it you're
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using all term now no no i like it that's very respectful courting that means you're a gentleman yeah
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so uh anyway so yeah you know you see a girl you know she's cute you take her out you asked her you
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pay you know typically this how that goes so that would be like your gender roles your gender role as
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a man okay yeah well you mentioned gender roles right and i hear that a lot we say gender roles
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so are we to mean that gender as you know authenticated through whatever documentation we
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provide right now or how we have to identify people are we really just saying is gender a synonym for
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gender roles gender roles is the behavior of your gender does that make sense so like how you like
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identify somebody's gender sure is basically the lifestyle choice just by definitions well i'm only
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i'm only asking this again none of this has got you i'm asking because when i asked you how gender
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was different you said it was more it was performative it was based on behavior yeah and then you said but