SNEAKO - August 19, 2022This Woman Feels UNSAFE at A Protest SHE STARTED
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Summary
In Episode 2 of Build the Wall: Change My Mind, we revisit a scene from the first episode of Build The Wall. This time around, we're joined by a group of anti-racist, anti-gay pride protesters in a safe zone.
Transcript
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Steven Crowder, protester, screams and rethink, change my mind.
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Hold on a second, we're speaking here. Don't interrupt the lady.
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I'm sorry to interrupt, but you just completely discredited my point.
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It's time for installment two of Build the Wall, Change My Mind.
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At least it was, until while we were filming, a safe zone materialized with protesters.
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It just sounds like an icebreaker at a camp in summer.
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And I have no enthusiasm in my voice because I'm a lame liberal.
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And I suck. And look at me, I'm wearing a beanie.
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Lobbed some accusations, which were about what you'd expect.
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I just would like to go and have a word with the protesters and see what issue it is that they have.
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I understand there's a protest going on here from what we're doing today.
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And I know that none of you wanted to come over and sit down and talk with us about it.
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We don't want to be put on line with people that have similar beliefs to you and potentially...
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We don't want to be put on line with people with similar beliefs to you.
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Well, stupid, goofy-ass Carlos with your immigrant fucking gay pride umbrella.
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If you didn't want to be put on line, why did you show up to a video shoot?
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We don't want to doxx us and come at us and harass us.
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We felt that our point of view of standing here was enough to be said.
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But now you've all come here and essentially forced us into this interview.
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You see how he's smiling because he realizes how stupid he looks now being confronted by someone who doesn't make no fucking sense?
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There hasn't been anyone threatening to dox anybody.
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And I would obviously discourage anyone from doxing anyone at any point.
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The whole reason we're here is so we can have discussions with people like yourselves.
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Why would you show up to a protest if you don't know how to represent your points properly?
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You guys sit up in response to what we're doing, but no one wants to have a dialogue.
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Isn't the whole point right now to be having more of a dialogue?
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We're having dialogues with the students who come by.
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But not with the people whom you're protesting.
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A lot of students from over there have come over here with counterpoints to ours.
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And I would direct them over to come and sit down so that we can talk with them as well.
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I would love if any of you would be willing to come and sit down and have a conversation.
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I would never, ever want anyone to harm anyone.
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But I do think that this is part of the divide that we have here in the United States right now,
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We invite everyone to sit down and have a conversation.
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And then those, I would imagine, more on the left, yourself, simply refuse to have a dialogue.
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Okay, if you wanted to have a dialogue, why don't you sit down and be interviewed instead
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of show up with your, hi, I'm chanting, and I have an emo cut.
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The whole point of the show is to have a dialogue, dummy.
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That's a problem with the dialogue I was telling Hillary over there.
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We felt like the people who work Hillary over here are trying to get us to go over there.
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We're using certain tactics, like cutting people off before they finish their sentences,
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I mean, trying to maybe put words in other people's mouths.
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I feel like over here, I mean, it's easier, because there's a large crowd over there,
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But when you're surrounded by a whole crowd of people, it's easy for people to misconstrue
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what you say, put talking points in your mouth.
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No, it's easy to sound fucking stupid in front of a crowd of people, because you don't know
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Do you feel like I've done that, that I've put talking points in your mouth?
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No, not you specifically, but, you know, we've been talking to people all day.
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And sometimes people jump in with things they think we'll say, because they don't understand
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Well, would you be welcome for me to change your mind?
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You're holding a sign that says, change my mind.
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Here's somebody who wants his mind to be changed.
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Okay, but I don't understand the whole purpose to it.
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We've started is to change my mind is to invite dialogue.
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Like, you're kind of missing the whole point to it.
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If you're saying change my mind and I'm saying, well, let me try to change your mind.
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Hey, this is all that the liberals do is to show up and hold a sign, but they're not
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I mean, she's been talking to other people during the day, but I think this is an intimidating
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It's intimidating and my feelings are hurt and I'm activated and triggered.
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No, all the Muslims are saying, no, you don't claim or bro, bro, bro.
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I'm sorry, but you just got excommunicated by your own people.
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But a lot of people are uncomfortable in a crowd situation and I don't think they have
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I am very uncomfortable in a crowded situation, by the way.
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This happened because we showed up and just had a sign.
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So this wasn't something like a live speaking event.
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He tweeted that he was going to do this and then he said he was coming to UTD.
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Yeah, I know I've heard a couple of rumblings too that Crowder here is a racist.
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And I don't feel comfortable engaging with you right now.
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If you don't feel comfortable engaging with you, go home.
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It's because you're crowding me and you've brought a crowd of people and multiple cameras
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You're literally with a crowd, Crowder, with your cameras and that's racist.
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I don't appreciate how you're crowding me like this.
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We're in a public space and you have a sign that says change my mind.
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But I do think to lob the accusation of racism, that's a pretty hefty accusation.
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If you don't feel comfortable, go the fuck home.
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Don't hold your sign and say I'm uncomfortable to a person who disagrees with you.
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I really appreciate if you want to talk to some of my other friends.
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I prefer engaging in smaller crowds and I don't.
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Then don't go to a protest with a sign if you don't like fucking crowds, stupid.
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I appreciate how everyone's here staring at me and how you've brought these people to me.
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You did protest my event and used our segment, changed my mind.
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I mean, it's not like it's all that surprising that I'm asking you about your opinions.
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And you said that you wouldn't engage with racists and you wouldn't engage with me.
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She didn't know what to say past calling him a racist.
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She just wanted to call the white guy racist and then just move on.
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And when she realized, when she got confronted with it and she got nothing else, I'm uncomfortable.
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I've asked you to leave me alone and you're not doing that.
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So you haven't told anyone or insinuated that I'm a racist.
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She got fucked up by the liberal colleges, by American bullshit.
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Someone needs to send her back to Saudi Arabia.
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I'm a racist and you don't believe that I'm a racist.
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And I don't think that our opinion here of build the wall changed my mind as racist at all.
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I do think to say that you're not going to engage with racists implies that everyone who disagrees with you is a racist.
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And I think that's a tactic to shut down dialogue, which is what you're doing right now.
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I think more conversation is better, but that's okay.
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I don't think the sign is very well advised if you don't want to talk with people.
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But I don't think it's something that you should try and hang over their head if they've told you already that it's something that makes them uncomfortable.
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I don't think that you should try and prop them up as this figurehead for all of us right now, which is what you were trying to do.
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I feel like it's feeling and it's comfortable and, like, you're literally patronizing them.
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Kind of like calling someone a racist might be underhanded.
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Well, yeah, but that's not the point I'm trying to make right now.
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Okay, but I feel like this is triggering and I'm wearing a Chinese letter shirt and I'm a good guy and I'm not a...
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So, I'm not going to speak on that, but I'm going to speak to the fact that you are coming onto our campus.
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You're asking us to engage with you with what is a very hot button issue.
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You know that it's going to provoke an emotional response from all of us.
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It's not his fucking fault that you have an emotional response to a normal political question.
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This is a campus full of international students, full of multi...
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And so, you come onto our campus, you know that...
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You literally come onto our campus and there's a lot of immigrants here.
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So, I think for you to come into our campus with such an inflammatory question...
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Based on a policy made by somebody who is called Mexicans rapists, that a policy coming from racist beliefs, I think that it's pretty...
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I think it's pretty cruel to come onto our campus knowing our background and to demand our free labor, our emotional labor, to try and engage with you.
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And they feel so much pride and confidence saying it.
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What would you do if your kid was one of these?
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If my kid was trans or gay in one of these and wearing no drip, red and blue flannel...
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...exploit us for our emotional labor because you know that it's going to get an issue from us or a response from us.
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You know that a huge crowd like this is going to form.
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And I just think that it's really shady of you to come onto our campus for that.
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Okay, but you're repeating yourself now, so can I speak?
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Is there something else that you would need to say?
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Like, even if you agree with his opinions and his glasses and his GameStop employee earrings, just like, no, this is just bad drip.
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Well, first off, it's not a policy that Donald Trump created.
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People are free to sit down whether they choose to discuss the topic or not.
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By the way, there's nothing offensive about the idea of building the wall.
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It's offensive to you because you're in a college campus living in a bubble full of other liberal fucking idiots.
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I understand you have an emotional reaction, and I'm not trying to upset you, but I do think that the truth here matters as well.
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And if people are going to paint all of their opposition as racist, as these people have done here, I think that does a great disservice to dialogue here in the United States.
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I thought you were too uncomfortable to talk in front of a crowd, and now you've built enough confidence so now you can jump in whenever you want.
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I'm here with, like, this little group of protesters all day.
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And, like, for one, there was only one person who said that you were racist.
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I think it's a mischaracterization because I want to have a debate here.
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It was the girl holding that racist sign, but she's not going to snitch.
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Because, um, I mean, there's people online who will demonize them.
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And by the way, I think you'll be pleasantly...
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You can also get demonized online if someone calls you a racist.
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That's a very serious accusation that all these libs throw around.
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...by the response online, because of how respectful and how civil you've been, regardless of where we disagree.
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I think that if you would have, instead of sitting here, and I know you didn't, but mingling with people who've accused me of racism,
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or as you say, trying to exploit free emotional labor, whatever that means, I think you would have found...
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I'm sorry to interrupt, but you just completely discredited my...
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You spoke for a much longer period of time than her.
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I think that if you would have sit down and had a conversation, you would have found that it's very similar to what we're doing right now.
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That Netflix show that's like, fuck white people or some shit?
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And this was definitely the girl that called him racist and now she's looking down because
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she got nothing else but a goofy ass change my mind sign that she doesn't want to change.
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But I appreciate that you're respectful and I appreciate that you're willing to talk.
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I hope you understand that's the point to this and I hope you don't feel like I've been
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I think it's good that we're creating a dialogue and it's not inflammatory.
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There's not any punching or fighting or anything crazy like that.
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But I think the only reason why I've stayed over here mostly is that because we have
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a big immigrant population here is that there are a lot of people who deal day to day with
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But I'm saying, you know, then you might understand and especially because we have a lot of first
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gen immigrants who are dealing with their visa and the stress of immigration every day
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that I stayed over here because there's people we need to have...
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I think it shows that even with the crowd and even there are a lot of people who dissented
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to you in the crowd that having a dissent over here showed that they weren't alone.
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And believe me, one thing I used to tell this show when I used to do stand-up comedy,
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Stand-up comedy, it goes hand-in-hand with free speech and truth.
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I think even more so when there's a culture of fear, as you see on college campus,
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where people are afraid of speaking out because they're admonished as a racist, right?
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And that's the whole reason for this, is there are a lot of students there.
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Well, I'm supposed to do an E-Day today and said I'm reacting to this Crowder video from
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2019 because Gideon's like, oh, come and do an E-Day.
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Don't fucking just say you're going to do it and not do it.
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And now he's in the chat fucking, like, saying L plus ratio.
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...who've actually been othered, who maybe agree with the point or maybe don't,
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So I do, I have no problem with you being here protesting.
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The only issue I have is when people lob accusations and throw accusations from afar.
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Can we, can we have a handshake or, handshake or bro, bro hug?
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Oh God, I thought I was going to get some fucking sympathy pussy.
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If you want to come over and grab a seat, you're more than welcome.
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I just want to explain what emotional labor is because...
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Well, then you're more than welcome to do it over there where we're sitting.
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So in wanting to take this opportunity to show these people just what changed my mind was
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all about, we decided to sit down with Nicholas and see if we could smooth things over.
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Now, do you see how sitting down here outside of the rain, this breeds more friendly,
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I don't think that was an issue that was happening over there.
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Every time these free speech people and the conservatives show up and try to have an
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open dialogue with libs, it doesn't even turn into like a conversation about what they
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were trying to change my mind about in the first place.
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Well, it says there are just a bunch of people who have never been smacked.
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If you never encountered physical confrontation, you start to feel like Superman was being
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So, Nicholas, you said you would like, I know we're kind of off the path of the build
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the wall changed my mind, but you seemed pretty upset.
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I would say that you were shouting, but I guess you don't see it that way.
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Well, I think that when you were speaking to the other protester, you tried to, well,
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You outwardly said and dismissed my notion that you're exploiting UTD students' emotional
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Oh, do you not hear how weak you sound saying that?
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Explain to you what that was so that you might have a better idea of what, at least in my
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I'm not abusing anyone's emotional labor here because I'm not forcing anyone to sit
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And by the way, everyone has had a productive conversation.
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I didn't intend on yelling, but I felt like I took offense to my notion being outright
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I got triggered and offended that you didn't give me attention.
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And I will rebut and say that when you come onto a college campus, especially one where
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we've explained multiple times, the college campus that UTD is with a statement like
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I think, you know, that you're going to get a lot of emotional response from that.
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And even if it's from people's free will, then it's still something that you're coming
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onto the campus to kind of break up the flow of everyday life to try and get a response
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Take accountability that you showed up to this and protested it.
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If you didn't want to fucking let him win, go to, go to class.
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Take that, monetize it and try and show yourself in the best light because of it.
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I'm not saying that you can't do that, but it does raise a bit of a red flag with me
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concerning the UTD administration for letting this happen.
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And I think that if you don't like this, we should all go to the UTD administration and
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Administration and tell them and I'm a fucking wee with GameStop earrings.
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I think that it's a little ridiculous to have somebody who wants to inflame us.
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Hey, guys, I appreciate it, but I don't really want to go to the power of the mob.
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I'd like Nicholas and I to have a conversation.
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If that's what you want to do, if you want to govern this whole thing by a poll, I don't
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think you're going to like how it turns out, and so I don't want to do that.
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I think it's important to let your arguments, I think it's important to let your statements
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rest in the laurels of the substantiation of your arguments here.
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It's very typical of people who disagree with us to try and simply shut us down rather than
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Just shut it down instead of actually having a conversation because they lose because it's
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And what she tries to do is she tries to make you as emotional as she is.
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If you make it an emotional argument, she will always win because that's how she thinks.
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That's what it's become with right and left now with libs and conservatives.
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And conservatives are just like, well, can we talk?
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What would you call going to the administration, making sure that we can't do it again?
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I'm not saying make sure it doesn't happen again.
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See, this is what you do when you stay true to your logic.
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If you just keep on going, logic, logic, logic, you end up seeing this face.
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Office and say, Stephen Crowder and change my mind is.
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I think it's disrespectful to people who are immigrants, who have close immigrants or close friends who are immigrants, family who have immigrated.
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I think that especially Latinx immigrants, if we're Latinx, Latinx, is he a Latin dude saying this?
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Yo, Spanish people, what the fuck are you talking about, bro?
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Outright saying build the wall, change my mind as a subhead is going to inflame them.
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It's going to call to mind the strong emotions of what it means for those people to come across the border here.
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Do you ever notice you're very concerned about this inflaming people?
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Do you ever notice that you're primarily the one who's inflamed?
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I think that I'm one of the few people who's speaking for the inflamed.
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Okay, but there are people who are saying that they love it.
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A lot of people love it who don't even agree with me.
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They just like that we're having a conversation.
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Do you discuss immigration issues here on a college campus?
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So what is the issue with discussing it from a different point of view?
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I think when the point of view comes from a point of exclusion, from a point that paints it against people who are most likely to be affected by a policy like building the wall, I think that it needs to be done in a more sensitive way.
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I, and that's my issue with it is we're coming at it from.
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Your issue is someone discussing the issue if they disagree with you.
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But I think that if it's coming, if the disagreement is coming from a place of prejudice, I think that that's an issue.
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How are you to decide if it's coming from a place of prejudice or not?
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Just sit down and talk about it before protesting.
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I believe that we should build the wall, we should secure our borders and deport illegal immigrants and make sure that we don't have any more illegal immigrants coming into the country.
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But those are all things that are already happening.
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I think that when you're talking about divesting money from things like public education, like health care, like shutting down the entire government because of the wall and disenfranchising government workers who can't afford.
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I think he's Mexican and actually said Latinx to live anymore.
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I think that when I think you're centering the topic of immigration around that issue, it becomes very polarizing and very emotional.
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What would be the acceptable way for someone who disagrees with you on immigration and therapy to express it?
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I think that they could easily talk about the fact that immigration numbers are already decreasing.
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You're asking someone who disagrees with you to just agree with you.
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I'm asking if someone disagrees with you and believes in strong national border security, someone believes in cracking down at work visas, someone who disagrees with you, what would be the acceptable way for them to express it according to you, Nicholas?
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Well, I think that we're at a point where we disagree on the state of border security because I think it's already very strong.
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There's already strong funding for the border patrol, for ICE.
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And I don't necessarily think those are good things, but I think that that's the facts of it.
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So I would say that I don't disagree that there isn't strong border security.
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So I keep asking you, what is the acceptable way for someone who disagrees with you?
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And that's why people get so alarmed when I do these debates with Jadeon or Destiny or all these YouTubers that they think that we're beefing if we have a disagreement.
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It doesn't have to be a beef, but people are so childish and immature and babied now by college campuses and everything that you get brainwashed with that if you disagree for a second, it's impossible for them.
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My point is someone like myself who says security at the border is bad.
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We have 700, 800 miles of completely unprotected border.
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$116 billion footed to the American taxpayer every year.
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What, to you, would be the acceptable way for someone who disagrees with you to express himself?
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Those are acceptable ways to disagree with that.
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You are going about things without trying to paint it about race like what the current president has done on the campaign.
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I'm saying that it's supporting a policy created out of that, created from somebody who has those beliefs.
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When people want to disagree about the state of border security and they want to say that it's weak, I think that as long as they're not going back to saying that they don't want people of a certain race to come into the United States...
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I think we're having a pretty good conversation.
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I would think that this is a little more productive than when we started off.
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I would agree, but I also came into the fray when you were shoving a camera in my friend's face who was very clearly uncomfortable.
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And so the whole purpose to this, to sitting down, to having this conversation, is that we can talk the way we just did.
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I just said, hey, what would be the acceptable way to express an opinion with which you would disagree?
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You just described exactly what we've done here all day.
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Your mind at least on the idea that we can be here and do what we do without it being designed to be inflammatory.
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Or as you said, was it abusing students' emotional labor?
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This is, this is, I don't, I don't think this constitutes.
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I think that I've said all I need to say on the matter today.
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I'm going to walk away because I realize I'm wrong.
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A little bit better than you thought it was going to be.
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I haven't, I haven't inserted any words into your mouth.
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I agree that I've presented myself in the way that I see most fit.
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Rationalizing one's own position can soothe even the most savage beast.
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I do not think that there should be a border in that sense.
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If you were to draw a line between America and Mexico, that's fine.
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But I'm saying if there's nothing but just a field of grass there, I think that's fine.
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We already reacted to a lot of the Change My Minds.