SNEAKO - Why There’s Only 2 Genders.

00:00:00.000 Steven Crowder, change my mind.

00:00:01.500 I talk about trans people, intersex people that used to be referred to as hermaphrodites,

00:00:05.800 which is a phrase that we don't prefer anymore.

00:00:08.380 We find it to be very triggering and offensive.

00:00:10.220 Very triggering and offensive.

00:00:12.020 Because of the word that has been used historically.

00:00:13.840 Okay, but it was medically used, right?

00:00:15.600 Kind of like the N-word, right?

00:00:16.460 Like, there's a certain historical context.

00:00:17.500 Well, not kind of like the N-word.

00:00:18.440 Wasn't hermaphrodite a medical term?

00:00:23.720 Welcome to another installment of...

00:00:24.760 No medical words are triggering.

00:00:26.200 There are only two genders, change my mind. 1.00

00:00:30.800 Unedited conversations with people on the street.

00:00:33.220 Usually we do this on campus, but during summer break, that's kind of hard to do.

00:00:36.100 So, before we start, because this is a long one,

00:00:38.300 I wanted to show you how this conversation ends up with our second person,

00:00:42.960 who claimed to be intersex, and got a little hostile.

00:00:46.660 And the reason for this is because of the length of these conversations,

00:00:50.680 if you ever feel like we're talking around in circles or getting off in the details,

00:00:54.900 you'll see that they come back later on, and they matter.

00:00:58.320 That's key when having a conversation and finding common ground.

00:01:02.180 So, this is about the end point.

00:01:03.960 Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:01:04.740 The biological makeup of a brain is not societal.

00:01:07.720 The biological makeup of a brain is...

00:01:09.160 Societal!

00:01:10.340 Biological.

00:01:10.640 So, what I'm saying is the brain...

00:01:11.760 Right, so what I'm saying, the brain that you call the male brain,

00:01:14.040 or the female brain, with what you're saying... 1.00

00:01:15.220 You did, not me. 0.84

00:01:16.100 She had a deep-ass voice. 0.93

00:01:18.060 I'm saying is closer to that brain that you were referring to as a male brain. 0.91

00:01:23.680 You referred to it that way.

00:01:25.280 So, I want to make sure I'm correct that you believe there is a male brain, generally,

00:01:28.880 and a female brain, generally. 1.00

00:01:30.060 I'm not going to say yes to you when I'm explaining my answer, when I'm giving you my answer.

00:01:32.760 Okay.

00:01:33.180 My answer is, what you are referring to as a male brain is more...

00:01:37.400 But I didn't.

00:01:37.980 You did.

00:01:38.560 That's why it's important.

00:01:39.440 You brought this up.

00:01:40.360 Male brain and female brain. 1.00

00:01:41.280 I'm trying to understand what you brought up.

00:01:43.280 I didn't bring up male brain and female brain. 0.96

00:01:44.820 That brain.

00:01:45.080 So, that context matters because we are going to rewind all the way to the beginning,

00:01:49.460 where you can see that intersex girl works for this person who approached me. 0.98

00:01:54.640 Transgender male to female, Danielle Skidmore, actually running for Austin City Council in District 9.

00:02:00.140 She's intersex? 1.00

00:02:03.300 Hi.

00:02:03.880 How are you?

00:02:05.320 Would you like to change my mind?

00:02:07.960 I'll try.

00:02:08.680 Okay.

00:02:09.260 Thank you very much.

00:02:10.040 I appreciate it.

00:02:10.760 I was going to the list office and saw your table, and I've heard about your show, so I thought...

00:02:13.940 Oh, great.

00:02:14.600 Thank you very much.

00:02:15.380 Dan, why is she built like me? 1.00

00:02:16.640 Yeah, right?

00:02:17.360 Appreciate it.

00:02:18.140 What's your name?

00:02:18.940 Danielle.

00:02:19.520 Danielle.

00:02:20.080 Danielle.

00:02:20.360 No, absolutely.

00:02:21.460 So, Stephen, and if you're familiar at all with the show, this is just where we engage in civil discussion,

00:02:27.720 dialogue, and issues that are usually pretty controversial.

00:02:30.220 They result in talking points with a lot of people, and you don't like to see full-length conversations.

00:02:34.140 So, I believe there are two genders. 0.97

00:02:36.280 Okay.

00:02:37.180 You're welcome to change my mind.

00:02:40.320 I want to change my mind.

00:02:41.500 I think that human biology is really complicated.

00:02:46.340 I think that gender identity is real and intrinsic, and I think that...

00:02:53.520 I don't think there's a binary for anything.

00:02:57.060 Can I ask you, are you transgender?

00:02:59.180 Bro, you've got to get a better mic. 0.93

00:03:00.840 I am, actually.

00:03:01.960 Okay.

00:03:04.120 I've become sweaty this morning.

00:03:05.860 That's okay.

00:03:06.580 No, I was...

00:03:07.000 That's funny.

00:03:07.280 Literally, I was walking down the street, and I was like, oh my gosh, this is a sign, right,

00:03:10.760 to have this conversation.

00:03:11.660 So, what do you believe is wrong, I guess, about my state?

00:03:16.740 That there's two genders? 0.95

00:03:17.920 Yeah.

00:03:18.240 I think I've come to realize, I'm trans, right?

00:03:21.080 Yeah.

00:03:22.280 How do you have a kid?

00:03:26.600 Why we are the way we are, like what makes our core humanity, right, is beautifully complicated.

00:03:35.140 So, like, my son, my son's got a genetic disorder, right?

00:03:38.540 He's missing an enzyme that lets him metabolize two amino acids, right?

00:03:43.580 Why that is, you have no idea.

00:03:46.600 Like, it was a biological variation.

00:03:49.260 Sure.

00:03:49.640 Right?

00:03:49.860 It doesn't diminish his humanity.

00:03:52.660 Right.

00:03:52.980 But it is fundamentally different.

00:03:55.260 Now, like, why I'm trans, to be honest with you, I don't know, right?

00:04:00.180 Now, it took me 37 years to stop.

00:04:04.420 She's archier than me, bro.

00:04:06.280 Look at those arms, bro.

00:04:07.520 Hold on, hold on.

00:04:08.160 Look at the bicep vein.

00:04:11.060 Golly.

00:04:11.700 Fighting what I knew to be true from the earliest age of my childhood to work my way through the

00:04:19.160 social stigma of my reality, which was that I know I'm different and I don't understand

00:04:25.600 why I am.

00:04:26.960 I don't know why I would, you know, go and hide it.

00:04:30.500 Chad, this is actually a woman. 0.99

00:04:32.260 WRL.

00:04:32.700 In the bathroom, where my sister's clothes, right?

00:04:36.660 Right.

00:04:36.860 Like, when I was seven, right?

00:04:38.420 Like, yeah, it all got wrapped into the expectations of society.

00:04:44.660 Okay.

00:04:45.260 So, I want to make sure I'm just kind of unwrapping this carefully.

00:04:48.280 You said the truth of your reality.

00:04:51.340 Yeah.

00:04:51.760 That you are a woman.

00:04:53.560 A transgender woman.

00:04:54.600 Okay.

00:04:55.640 How do you know that's the truth?

00:04:57.640 How do I know that it's true?

00:04:59.840 Yeah.

00:05:00.040 How do you know that...

00:05:01.420 Woo, this audio broke.

00:05:02.680 Come on, man.

00:05:03.300 You're a heterosexual, I presume, heterosexual cisgender man.

00:05:07.860 Okay.

00:05:08.200 That's presumptuous, right?

00:05:09.480 No, well, that's okay.

00:05:10.520 That was presumptuous, but correct.

00:05:12.500 Okay.

00:05:13.100 Well, I think this is obviously... 0.86

00:05:15.120 So, Chad, you're saying this is just a dude with some plastic titties and a kid? 0.67

00:05:18.500 I think I'm part of the LGBTQAI community that preferences, sexuality preferences, as far 0.98

00:05:25.240 as I'm attracted to women.

00:05:26.180 That's a preference, obviously.

00:05:27.820 So, it's innate.

00:05:29.400 I was born, I like women. 1.00

00:05:30.540 And biologically, I was born a male because I have a penis and a hormonal profile and chromosomes 0.97

00:05:35.220 of a male. 0.78

00:05:36.140 So, that's how I know that it's true to state that I'm a male.

00:05:39.020 That you're...

00:05:39.740 She looks like a jacked XQC. 1.00

00:05:42.720 ...as a male, because you're a male, because, like, you're XY. 0.90

00:05:47.420 I didn't simplify it to XY to a multitude of factors.

00:05:49.580 I have a male brain.

00:05:50.660 I have a male body. 1.00

00:05:51.860 Everything from bone density to my hormonal profile to, yes, my penis. 0.96

00:05:56.320 All of these things, pretty clearly, would file me in the cabinet under male, biologically. 0.51

00:06:02.740 Like, in the spectrum of biological variation, you're in that big collection of people that

00:06:09.260 have all of those things in alignment.

00:06:11.960 Yeah.

00:06:12.560 And there are people, right?

00:06:14.660 Like, two-thirds of one percent is the best number now, right?

00:06:18.540 That are transgender, based on, you know, what we know.

00:06:22.860 Sure.

00:06:23.660 Which, in Texas, is like 130,000 adults, right?

00:06:27.420 Mm-hmm.

00:06:27.700 Who, for reasons that are still unknown, are...

00:06:34.600 Don't have all of those biological components that you described, don't align as cleanly as

00:06:42.980 yours do.

00:06:44.200 Okay.

00:06:44.860 Um, well, you say, you know, unknown.

00:06:48.140 Um, again, this goes back to, you said, your truth that you are a female.

00:06:51.860 You asked me, why am I a male?

00:06:53.740 I hope...

00:06:54.260 Chat, stop violating, bro.

00:06:55.660 This chat is crazy.

00:06:56.940 I hope that I've answered it as clearly as I can.

00:06:59.340 Right.

00:06:59.800 So I would return that same question to you, because I think we need to start with the

00:07:02.860 presupposition.

00:07:03.480 There needs to be the same amount of validity to our arguments, as far as us rationalizing

00:07:07.220 them.

00:07:07.940 Stop saying that's Luke Belmore.

00:07:09.580 That's disrespectful.

00:07:10.380 You said...

00:07:11.360 Chat, stop.

00:07:12.020 It's not truth that you are a female. 0.99

00:07:14.520 You were born a male.

00:07:15.660 How do you know that's the truth?

00:07:17.000 I was born a transgender woman.

00:07:19.480 Okay.

00:07:19.900 And how do you know that's the truth?

00:07:21.500 How do I know that's the truth?

00:07:23.620 Uh...

00:07:24.120 Like, in what biological context is it, like...

00:07:29.080 Chat, stop saying the kid's off of Perk 30.

00:07:31.180 That's so disrespectful, bro.

00:07:33.120 Is it validated?

00:07:34.360 Is that the question?

00:07:35.320 Yeah.

00:07:35.740 How do you know that you're not simply a man who believes he's a woman?

00:07:39.300 How do you...

00:07:40.360 Like, why do you...

00:07:41.060 So why are you...

00:07:42.020 If you're heterosexual, why are you attracted to women?

00:07:45.080 Well...

00:07:45.360 Because it forwards the human race.

00:07:47.640 There's a lot of biological mechanisms in there, namely to procreate since the beginning 0.81

00:07:51.760 of civilization.

00:07:52.300 So if somebody is attracted...

00:07:53.860 Same-sex attracted... 0.97

00:07:55.360 Mm-hmm.

00:07:58.160 I don't like mine!

00:07:59.660 No, chat, chat, chat.

00:08:00.980 This is disrespectful.

00:08:02.540 I don't approve of this chat at all. 0.97

00:08:03.900 Gay man. 0.80

00:08:05.040 Do you believe that... 0.99

00:08:07.020 Chat, you are just...

00:08:08.040 Wrong.

00:08:08.360 Nope.

00:08:08.940 Sorry.

00:08:09.400 Stop it now.

00:08:10.280 That's not their intrinsic reality?

00:08:14.700 Well, again, it's a sexual preference.

00:08:16.060 And I think that's very important because a sexual preference is different from biology,

00:08:20.540 right?

00:08:20.840 And this is what I find also pretty interesting to me is right now they're teaching that,

00:08:24.640 you know, obviously you're born gay, but gender is a choice.

00:08:29.220 And that, to me, I don't...

00:08:30.420 I don't...

00:08:30.720 I just don't agree with.

00:08:31.660 So, Richard, how do you know...

00:08:33.140 You say that you're a transgender...

00:08:34.780 You were born a transgender woman, right?

00:08:36.140 But I would assume on your birth certificate it said male.

00:08:38.100 Right.

00:08:38.840 So at some point you made the decision to live the way that you live right now, correct?

00:08:43.480 Chats. 0.99

00:08:43.880 Boom, buck up! 0.99

00:08:44.300 Stop it.

00:08:44.980 Stop it. 1.00

00:08:45.420 You're all going to hell, bro. 0.99

00:08:47.260 Yeah, at some point I made the decision. 0.98

00:08:49.000 It was almost a decade ago to unpack all of the guilt and shame I felt for being different,

00:08:57.880 right?

00:08:58.660 And at some point I made the decision to unpeel guilt and shame, right?

00:09:06.800 About my truth and to start trying to reconcile it with the rest of my...

00:09:11.240 Chats, is it my truth or is it just you... 0.87

00:09:14.440 But can your truth just be that you're confused?

00:09:16.720 A life and to reconcile it with a society that is still pretty hostile.

00:09:22.580 So one in the chat, not me, said this kid's got unspoken riz, bro.

00:09:26.480 ...to people who are different.

00:09:28.060 Mm-hmm.

00:09:28.320 So it was a question of no longer fighting.

00:09:32.780 Fighting against myself.

00:09:34.600 Yeah.

00:09:34.800 So and then even after I did that, I spent another...

00:09:37.720 Is this thing, is she saying anything really or is it just saying, I'm empathy and my truth

00:09:45.240 and I really started to unpack and unpeel and that's just the way it is.

00:09:51.780 And because of my past, like, are you really saying anything or are you just like...

00:09:55.720 Another six years desperately trying to not accept that.

00:10:06.620 I accepted the truth and I'm like, how do I reconcile with that?

00:10:09.360 I'm an engineer, a civil engineer.

00:10:11.460 I'm a parent who especially needs child, right?

00:10:13.940 like how can i how can i be who i knew i am and still function in society so it took me years

00:10:22.900 and eventually i realized that i don't have a choice like you know we look at the news this

00:10:28.840 morning chat you really need to find god you need to find god i'm trying to listen to her truth

00:10:35.080 right and uh with tony born day and you know taking his life right right so 40 percent of

00:10:43.800 transgender people attempt suicide right i feel like a lot of people who are just lost end up like

00:10:50.560 taking these gender hormones so that they think they decide that the problem in their life is i'm 0.94

00:10:55.380 trans and i've never found myself like maybe you just need to go there's a lot of other things you

00:10:59.940 need to work on the misconception is that uh transgender people are depressed because of

00:11:05.840 like society's pressure but no these people are just a lot of them are just confused and they find

00:11:11.400 out seven years after taking conversion therapy and conversion medication that they're even more

00:11:16.620 depressed before but they get seven years of delusion of like yeah i was nick now i'm nicole 0.99

00:11:24.980 and they get seven years of that and then like oh shit i missed my dick can i pause you right there 0.98

00:11:29.080 really quickly just first off i hope that i haven't been hostile i know you talked about 0.99

00:11:31.960 i've been hostile at all no this is a great okay good um because i know we disagree but i i certainly

00:11:37.360 don't want to be disrespectful to you personally even if i disagree with you so yeah i don't know

00:11:40.960 that i don't find that we disagree actually okay okay well i i'm glad that uh i'm glad that one

00:11:45.600 because the last thing i want is for you to feel as though you've been sat down and it's uh it's been a

00:11:49.100 you know a sandbagging um and and you've brought up you know anthony what a white word i just don't want

00:11:55.000 you to feel like i just want you to sit down and just get sandbagged or anything like that i wasn't

00:11:58.940 trying to put that on you i don't want to you know cements you or anything like that but i was 0.80

00:12:03.000 just trying to just speak to you just shut up bourdain you brought up the suicide right i think 0.67

00:12:06.320 that's very uh important you know it's about 41 it doesn't get better after uh hormone replacement 0.74

00:12:11.740 therapy or even actually doing the the full sex reassignment surgery so here we are right i will

00:12:17.320 disagree with you okay i uh i think the data shows that when people are able to live their lives

00:12:24.060 as themselves and i yo this chat someone said the kid is throwing upsets you are you're so bro bro

00:12:30.700 accepted in their community in their social networks that's their friends and their family

00:12:35.680 professionally in their city when they're not stigmatized when they don't lose their job when

00:12:40.020 they don't lose their housing when they aren't ostracized or demonized right like our state

00:12:45.120 legislature spent the vast last spring and then called a special session yeah yeah she's civil and 1.00

00:12:51.060 she's speaking like a politician but you know you could probably get confused with the empathy 0.96

00:12:57.580 and like believe in this shit now but still like at the end of the day yo look at you essentially 0.96

00:13:03.500 to demonize my existence based on somebody's you know i i don't honestly sincerely held religious 0.98

00:13:11.420 belief i'm not sure why but to basically challenge my very validity as a human being right then yeah

00:13:18.740 people can be frustrated and scared and terrified and hopeless and then kill themselves but in my

00:13:24.340 community when people are able to live their lives and are accepted and able to you know aren't 0.99

00:13:30.140 discriminated right then their suicide rate yo he she looks like a skyrim npc god damn man 0.86

00:13:38.540 yo you are really wrong for that bro rates fall dramatically the single best thing you can do 0.98

00:13:44.960 for somebody who's lbgtq of any sort but especially trans is recognize their truth and accept their

00:13:50.900 humanity well i would disagree with you there um and first off i think you made a couple yeah let 0.98

00:13:56.600 me explain why you made a couple the kid is not gdk bro you fucked up for that presumptions maybe 0.97

00:14:01.360 they're not uh uh trying to demonize your very existence maybe they just disagree with you and maybe 0.98

00:14:05.920 doesn't come from a christian perspective maybe it comes from a scientific one maybe it comes from a

00:14:09.920 perspective of a medical perspective for example at uh at john's office i think we're okay having a

00:14:15.940 conversation you and i right now right yeah we're good we're good thank you though um the white knight

00:14:21.020 came in to save the the skyrim broad bro like come on in the suicide rate statistically anecdotally i'm

00:14:26.180 glad to hear that that that your your group of friends do better because one thing i definitely

00:14:29.940 don't want people attempting suicide on a 41 it's not just my friends i mean the data from the national

00:14:35.540 center for trans equality the equality texas hrc it's not it's not like my anecdotal sort of

00:14:42.360 group of friends the scientific i'm saving you with my instagram live are you safe are you feeling

00:14:49.420 safe skyrim guy data shows that when people are not discriminated against and transgender individuals

00:14:57.620 who are able to live their life whether they you know just transition socially or hormone replacement

00:15:02.460 therapy or surgery whatever when people are able to live this is what karen's do they just start

00:15:07.260 recording stuff aggressively and pass it like it's just aggressively record you to try to fight back

00:15:13.320 their lives their mental health is better well statistically it's it's an accurate statistically

00:15:20.720 the suicide rate doesn't really improve after i you know i'm going to keep pushing back on that

00:15:25.200 so maybe that's something we can follow okay let's assume it's comparable let's assume it's

00:15:28.720 slightly lower let's let's go with that i've seen the studies that you're talking about and it might be

00:15:32.200 slightly lower it's not dramatically lower but i think this is predicated on the idea and i don't

00:15:37.060 think it's an ill-founded idea that because of discrimination because of societal pressure because

00:15:41.240 of feeling like an outsider uh people have more mental health issues people are more prone to

00:15:46.200 depression people are more likely to attempt suicide if they feel ostracized and isolated right 0.78

00:15:49.980 yeah if they're treated as less than human i would don't you just hate these karens bro like just 0.93

00:15:56.640 like yeah i'm standing here this is my right i'm gonna call the manager i would agree 0.66

00:16:01.940 um but the fact is minorities generally commit suicide or attempt at far fewer numbers for

00:16:07.760 example white males are two times more likely than black men the transgender attempted suicide rate

00:16:12.620 is higher than american slaves or jews in concentration camps are we to believe that um 0.93

00:16:18.380 they have they've been treated more poorly in modern america than american slaves or jews and

00:16:24.140 you're asking me to compare trans uh transgender individuals to uh no the statistical reality that

00:16:34.520 nowhere else do you find that suicide rate outside of some serious psychiatric disorders including

00:16:38.900 those who have been enslaved which might suggest again that this is a this is a not a truth as you

00:16:45.900 said um people may perceive it as a reality but it may not be um it may not be ideal to treat it just

00:16:51.380 telling people that that's the truth that's the reality when it's in conflict with biology and

00:16:55.860 their hormones and their brain and their biological makeup because it can have catastrophic results

00:17:00.640 and how many genders are there because now we're talking about non-binary right i know your genders are 0.96

00:17:06.340 there i don't i think gender is a continuum 0.69

00:17:09.200 this who gets to fucking make laws genders a continuum what does that even mean i think part 0.88

00:17:19.340 of our so like this is my take on it right and this is my own personal opinion and how i've come 0.95

00:17:23.960 how do you identify just so i make sure bro there's three people watching your instagram live karen stop

00:17:28.900 just standing like that you decide if as a woman i'm a transgender woman so you say transgender woman i

00:17:33.600 i like you know i'm comfortable owning the fact that i'm trans i don't know that any of us has a

00:17:39.740 responsibility to own anything about our own individuality like i don't think you anybody needs

00:17:46.080 to walk down the street and say hi i am chat stop it chat stop a heterosexual man or i am a homosexual 0.72

00:17:51.900 woman right like i but for me i'm comfortable being visible right i'm lucky that i get to live in

00:17:59.820 austin and i get to be visible and not suffer too many consequences now the reality is i am a very

00:18:07.840 small sliver of the trans population right i weren't white this is why he she's a politician it's just 0.97

00:18:14.560 magic tricks going on she's speaking really empathetically and you start to believe it right

00:18:18.660 professional right my murder rate if i were an african-american transgender woman i'd be 30 times 1.00

00:18:24.520 more likely to be murdered than i am so african-american men are much more likely to be murdered than white

00:18:29.520 men too so a big part of that is right not necessarily race is real right and that's that's 0.85

00:18:34.620 by other black people too

00:18:36.040 race is a component of every all of our interactions in society i think it's important

00:18:43.800 my truth right so like back to my truth i'm actually tired of hearing that can't there just

00:18:51.540 be an objective truth when did it change where people could just have my truth our gender identity

00:18:58.760 who we are in our brain from birth before before we're talking about any kind of hormonal replacement

00:19:05.640 okay yeah is uh varies across all of us i i'm that i like i'm at peace with i honestly think the

00:19:14.940 science will prove that fact there there was a study that was presented this summer in uh i forget

00:19:21.860 the researchers i think were belgian or dutch and it was presented in spain barcelona like a month ago

00:19:27.660 that doing imagery studying right so functional mris on brains of transgender children 0.78

00:19:34.120 before hrc okay so this is there have been some studies that have done in the most famous study

00:19:39.580 was the remedi study was the uh was done with folks who might have been in transition or post

00:19:44.160 transition yeah rip yo set yeah and this okay sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry i can't i can't do

00:19:50.180 it all right shouts move on this this is enough it's just going to be 50 minutes of the same

00:19:54.520 oh no the karen sat down i don't care 1.00

00:19:58.560 that's it

00:20:04.300 your job

SNEAKO - August 03, 2022

Why There’s Only 2 Genders.

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