Stand on Guard with David Krayden - EXPOSED： Canada Can't Go it Alone, Straight Talk from Col. Douglas Macgregor ｜ Stand on Guard

00:00:00.000 Welcome back to another episode of Stand on Guard.

00:00:04.120 Your host, David Creighton, coming at you live from our nation's capital in Ottawa.

00:00:09.940 And this morning, it's a real pleasure to have Colonel Retired Douglas McGregor on the show.

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00:01:13.700 Colonel McGregor is the Chief Executive Officer of Our Country, Our Choice.

00:01:17.840 He's a former Senior Advisor to the Secretary of Defense during the first Donald Trump administration.

00:01:23.680 He's an Armor Officer, something I can understand, and a veteran of, among others, the first Gulf War.

00:01:30.840 Welcome to Stand on Guard, Colonel McGregor.

00:01:34.100 Sure.

00:01:34.480 Happy to be with you.

00:01:36.080 It's so nice to have you.

00:01:37.280 I must say, I first saw you when you appeared on Tucker Carlson's last show on Fox News.

00:01:45.700 Tucker Carlson, what was it?

00:01:46.700 Tucker Carlson Tonight.

00:01:48.000 He would often have you on and to give a completely different perspective on Ukraine than everybody else on Fox News was offering,

00:01:56.600 including former four-star generals who thought the Russian army was on the brink of defeat within three weeks.

00:02:04.780 I remember watching that and thinking, are these people real?

00:02:07.920 I said, they spent, what, 30 years in the military at general officer level, and they really think the Russian army is going to collapse because of Ukrainian?

00:02:17.380 And, of course, I listened to you, and suddenly, yeah, it became a lot clearer, and I began to understand that this was these generals, and I think I've heard you say this before.

00:02:28.580 These generals who appear on Fox News, on CNN, are so linked in with the military industrial establishment.

00:02:36.140 It's a revolving door.

00:02:37.560 They leave the military, and they go work for Raytheon or General Dynamics or one of these other huge armaments industries, and they just can't find enough wars out there to satisfy their need for money.

00:02:51.140 So, I was totally on side, because I used to be in favor of every U.S. war. 0.80

00:02:59.540 Like I said, I'm a former military officer, senior officer in the Canadian Air Force.

00:03:05.680 I think many times, I think about my career now, and half the time I was a propagandist, but I recently wrote a column for Human Events, which I think you'll find interesting.

00:03:15.520 This just appeared yesterday, and it's about a subject that you've been talking about quite a bit.

00:03:20.840 I think I heard you talk about this with Clayton Morris on Redacted recently, and this is the dangers we're now in the Middle East, and I think Donald Trump appeared to be pushing back on Israel's demand that the United States join them in an airstrike against Iran, which, of course, is going to usher in a regional conflict, at least, if not World War III.

00:03:43.160 And Trump responded to that report and said, I'm just not in a rush to do it, and now we're hearing Israel might go it alone.

00:03:52.720 Are you confident that Donald Trump can resist the pressure for an attack on Iran that might result in a regional or nuclear war, even if he is, as you've noted so many times, very beholden to Israel?

00:04:05.520 Well, I think the short answer is no, not at all.

00:04:10.120 I would correct you on one point, though.

00:04:12.140 I don't expect anything to be nuclear.

00:04:14.700 There's simply no requirement to fall back on the use of nuclear weapons.

00:04:18.660 Now, if there are nuclear weapons employed at all, they'll be employed by the Israelis as a last desperate attempt to achieve their aims. 0.96

00:04:26.820 But even that, I think, is unlikely.

00:04:30.260 So it'll be conventional, whatever it happens.

00:04:32.500 High-end conventional wars are very destructive, as we've seen in Ukraine.

00:04:35.800 So that in no way suggests that this is somehow another better or more humane.

00:04:41.520 I just don't see the nuclear play coming to the fore.

00:04:46.360 But it's going to be very difficult.

00:04:48.420 And frankly, I have a feeling the game is already up.

00:04:52.700 We're getting a lot of information now from various sources suggesting that the Israelis are prepping, getting their aircraft ready for the strike.

00:05:00.180 Like, we've already assembled, you know, a huge amount of firepower, primarily Air Force and Navy missiles, hundreds of aircraft, jets.

00:05:11.720 Listen, I think this is a go.

00:05:15.000 It's just not going to be stopped this time.

00:05:19.700 Well, that's certainly not optimistic.

00:05:23.420 But I would have to agree with you.

00:05:25.700 Do you think Russia, given the fact that it has a loose sort of military pact with Iran, it's arguable how solid that pact is,

00:05:38.360 do you think Russia would intervene in the event of such an attack by Israel, Israel alone or Israel with the United States?

00:05:45.140 And what would be the reaction of the Arab world?

00:05:48.540 Well, I think the Russians will intervene at some point when we come into the fight.

00:05:53.120 And remember that if the Israelis should strike out on their own, it's only a matter of time until we're dragged in on the grounds that, you know, we have to, quote, unquote, assist or help or rescue Israel. 0.72

00:06:05.680 So it doesn't matter whether we're in it initially or the Israelis are the first fly. 0.80

00:06:11.680 It doesn't make any difference.

00:06:12.700 We'll be involved.

00:06:14.280 We have to look, step back and look at the whole region.

00:06:16.640 And the Chinese have conducted joint drills recently, operations with the Egyptians.

00:06:24.620 China is invested in Egypt and has no intention of letting the Israelis do enormous damage there. 0.94

00:06:30.900 And the Israelis have always privately warned the Egyptians that they would strike the Aswan Dam and cause flooding that could jeopardize the lives of millions of people and, of course, destroy Egypt. 0.67

00:06:43.420 But the Chinese aren't going to allow that to happen.

00:06:46.040 They've got aircraft sitting on the tarmac right now in Cairo.

00:06:49.860 At the same time, the Chinese are also connected to Iran for obvious reasons.

00:06:56.420 It's not just oil, natural gas and other things.

00:07:01.160 It's really because the Chinese view, and I think the Russians share this view, that they'll be on the list in the future.

00:07:09.440 If they don't come to the aid of these states, eventually they, too, will be attacked.

00:07:14.860 Now, we can all argue and say, well, that's not really true.

00:07:17.680 We won't do that.

00:07:18.540 But from their vantage point, the way they look at the world right now, that's not an unreasonable assumption.

00:07:23.600 Then finally, if you look at the rest of the region, knowing how fragile the various regimes and societies are, particularly in the Arabian Peninsula and the Persian Gulf, I think you could see all of those places collapse, those regimes removed.

00:07:39.660 And I think Iraq would come roaring back in as a major player strategically because of the numerous militias and military organizations that are supportive of Iran in that country.

00:07:55.500 And at some point, I think the Turks are going to have to make a choice. 0.98

00:07:58.940 I mean, right now they've been the beneficiaries of their willingness to tolerate Israeli military expansion and territorial expansion.

00:08:07.960 But that won't last long.

00:08:10.960 They'll have to make a choice because at the end of the day, if you talk to people in the region, they're all expressing a certain amount of disappointment that the Turks have failed so miserably to pay attention to and intervene on behalf of people in the region that were once part of the Ottoman Empire.

00:08:27.420 I mean, after all, for hundreds of years, the Turks ruled everything in the Levant and all across the Arabian Peninsula, and they've done nothing. 0.53

00:08:35.840 And on the other hand, here are the Shia, the Shia Persians, who seem to be the only ones standing up and being counted in this fight against the Israelis. 0.69

00:08:45.280 So the whole thing will come apart.

00:08:48.680 The region will change beyond recognition.

00:08:50.860 And it's only a question of how far the Russians and the Chinese will go to prevent us from reducing Iran to rubble, which I'm quite sure is the plan. 1.00

00:09:03.200 Yeah.

00:09:03.340 Well, I think a lot of commentators, including Professor John Mearsheimer of Chicago University, have suggested that if this becomes a regional war, it's going ultimately perhaps mean the end of Israel itself, because it's going to create a coalition of angry defense partners in the Arab world.

00:09:25.260 Why is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu so intent upon carrying this to the ultimate degree?

00:09:35.040 Well, Prime Minister Netanyahu represents this Likudnik strain in Israel that is determined to essentially demonstrate its supremacy across the West as well as across the Middle East. 0.91

00:09:48.420 His expectation is that with the support of the American military establishment, that he can subjugate the entire Muslim world to his will. 1.00

00:10:01.140 And frankly, to this point, there's a lot of evidence to suggest he's not entirely wrong.

00:10:05.860 There's been almost no pushback against the mass murder and expulsion of human beings from Gaza, no real violent response to the enormous damage done in Lebanon, including the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians.

00:10:22.780 What's happened in Syria is another example.

00:10:25.420 And of course, we've always helped these things along.

00:10:27.760 We've worked closely with the Israelis.

00:10:30.420 That's one of the reasons the Turks cast their lot with us in Syria. 1.00

00:10:33.840 So I think the bottom line is, Mir Seimer is right, but, you know, this was pretty obvious two weeks after the 7th October.

00:10:46.840 And, you know, one thing that I'm not sure Mir Seimer has looked at, but I have, and I have serious doubts about the alleged surprise of 7th October.

00:10:54.780 I think the Israelis let that happen because it was going to be used as the rationale or justification for this war of Jewish supremacy in the Middle East and also to tighten their grip on the West, especially the English-speaking world. 0.88

00:11:10.460 They've had their grip or their hands on the throat of the Anglo-American sphere for a long time, certainly financially.

00:11:19.080 So I think this is part and parcel of that operation.

00:11:25.580 So if you were back advising the current Secretary of Defense, what would be your advice as a way to get out of this that would at least absolve us from having to escalate?

00:11:39.080 I'd advise him to resign because there's no way to get out.

00:11:45.440 This is a foregone conclusion.

00:11:47.340 Remember, he's one of these Christian Zionists. 1.00

00:11:49.960 He and his team were appointed because they swore allegiance to whatever Israel wants. 0.87

00:11:56.940 Go back and look at the various videos that came out of the Department of Defense shortly after he took over and Mr. Netanyahu with his team came for a visit.

00:12:07.660 They all sat in the conference room that belongs to the Secretary of Defense.

00:12:12.600 It's right across from his office, literally.

00:12:14.260 He trooped in there with his team.

00:12:17.380 Mr. Netanyahu trooped in there with his and he sat across from Mr. Netanyahu and says, you can look at this team and look at me and you know that there's nothing we will not do.

00:12:28.280 And we are there for you.

00:12:29.900 You tell us what you want and we'll do it.

00:12:33.220 The problem with Hegseth, of course, is that he was never qualified for the job to begin with.

00:12:37.500 He didn't understand the gravity of the situation.

00:12:41.020 I don't think he understood the enormous responsibility that he's got.

00:12:45.500 And as a consequence, when it became increasingly clear to him that this war was by no means something that could be predicted or, as we have been talking, even contained, Hegseth got cold feet.

00:12:58.700 And certainly the people that were there working for him were equally unenthusiastic about the idea of launching a war against Iran for all the reasons that we've just been over.

00:13:09.260 Well, that made it absolutely necessary to remove his team and ultimately, I think, to remove him.

00:13:15.380 And I suspect that will happen here shortly.

00:13:17.280 Well, we're certainly hearing that in the back panels right now.

00:13:22.560 The Hegseth stays are numbered, even though he got a very, very bright assessment yesterday from the White House press secretary.

00:13:31.040 But, of course, that's usually when people do go, isn't it?

00:13:32.980 The day after.

00:13:33.960 Get that.

00:13:34.700 Oh, this is the best man I've ever met.

00:13:37.100 I love him.

00:13:37.760 He's doing a great job.

00:13:39.360 And then, oh, he submitted a letter requesting that he resign.

00:13:43.300 And we're sorry to see him go.

00:13:45.640 And I, you know, I don't know who they'll get, but they'll find someone, I think, in the Tom Cotton mold.

00:13:50.020 Senator Cotton has been a beneficiary to the tune of millions of dollars from the Israel lobby, along with a lot of others like Ted Cruz and other senators.

00:13:59.540 And I think Tom Cotton has always aspired to be the secretary of defense.

00:14:04.140 He sees that as the inevitably is his path to the White House.

00:14:08.380 So he may well resign because he's got a Republican governor and that Republican governor can appoint another Republican to be Senate senator from Arkansas.

00:14:17.920 So, yes, he can march in there.

00:14:20.240 He can take over.

00:14:21.080 And then it's, as we say, Katie, bar the door. 0.99

00:14:24.980 It's all guns up and ready and loaded for Israel. 0.77

00:14:29.540 I want to shift to Ukraine now.

00:14:32.140 It's one of my favorite subject matter because it does involve the death of talking about Israel.

00:14:38.480 Yeah.

00:14:39.160 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:14:39.780 I'm sure we all are at this point.

00:14:42.440 It's interesting to me.

00:14:43.600 And just to finish this off, you know, I've spent plenty of time with the Israelis and I like the Israeli military.

00:14:49.160 And I'm disappointed in what's happened.

00:14:51.080 I don't blame them entirely because much like our military, they have been pushed into something that not really given a choice.

00:14:59.540 But the whole thing has been a horror show.

00:15:01.400 And just to finish the observation, I said early on that this would probably put the very existence of Israel at risk. 0.97

00:15:10.300 And I think that's why people are now talking about the potential for real civil war on the ground in Israel.

00:15:15.720 So we'll see what happens.

00:15:16.900 Anyway, I just want to make sure that was understood because I am not anxious to see Israel be destroyed.

00:15:24.200 On the contrary, that's one of my objections to all of this was that it could lead to precisely that outcome.

00:15:31.020 Yeah, well, that's and that's precisely why I raised in Netanyahu.

00:15:34.940 He's certainly doing this, I think, out of personal reasons for political survival rather than national interest.

00:15:41.260 And that's what really disgusts me about this whole matter is that he is going as far as he is for his own personal interest.

00:15:47.900 But as for Ukraine, what's your reading of this right now?

00:15:51.860 Because Donald Trump is supposed to be working on a peace agreement.

00:15:55.480 He's got various people working on this who are at cross purposes.

00:16:00.380 Some of them are neocons.

00:16:01.620 Some of them want world.

00:16:02.640 Some of them want regional peace and world peace.

00:16:05.060 Some of them don't want a third world war.

00:16:07.880 Donald Trump made the ridiculous claim that he could solve this in 24 hours when he became president.

00:16:12.700 I don't know who took that seriously, but he repeated that claim several times.

00:16:16.260 But is he serious about getting a peace settlement secure here or is this going to take 24 years, not 24 hours?

00:16:27.580 Well, President Trump had the opportunity when he took over to do several things.

00:16:32.060 He could have taken a different approach economically.

00:16:35.680 He could have recognized that this is no time for the United States to engage in overseas conflict.

00:16:42.900 On the contrary, we should be involved in retrenchment, shedding overseas commitments, bringing forces back.

00:16:50.500 The forces themselves are not in good shape.

00:16:52.580 They're not at full strength.

00:16:54.560 We have a serious morale and discipline problem inside the military for a whole range of reasons we don't need to go into now.

00:17:01.280 He could have said that.

00:17:02.800 He could have also said that he didn't start the war in Ukraine, was not his idea.

00:17:08.580 He doesn't like it and he wants to end it.

00:17:10.480 And he is directing the immediate cessation of all further support, military aid and otherwise to Ukraine.

00:17:17.820 And he's ordering the withdrawal of all U.S. personnel, military, intelligence, civilian, doesn't make any difference from Ukraine within 48 hours.

00:17:25.280 Then he could have also said, everyone knows that I love Israel, but this is a dangerous course for Israel to take. 0.61

00:17:34.320 And I've got to intervene and put a stop to it and tell Mr. Netanyahu that if he continues on this path, we will be unable to support him.

00:17:43.620 Now, none of those things happened.

00:17:46.200 Instead, we got an extension for all intents and purposes of the Biden policies, except that I would argue that President Trump has doubled down on the Israeli campaign for regional hegemony or Jewish supremacy in the Middle East in ways that were never even contemplated by the Biden crowd.

00:18:08.500 But that's where it is.

00:18:10.620 So when we look at Ukraine, he had that opportunity.

00:18:13.920 That was an easy one.

00:18:15.100 He could have then said, I'll host a conference and let the Europeans sit across from the Russians and do everything I can to promote peace and reconciliation and so forth, essentially taking us out of the equation, which I think would have been a very good thing. 0.85

00:18:31.920 Instead, we're still in the equation.

00:18:33.660 But at the same time, President Trump says, well, I've had it with the Europeans.

00:18:38.260 They're very, very disappointing.

00:18:40.540 They refuse to do what I say. 0.83

00:18:42.560 So the hell with them.

00:18:44.340 And, of course, that was the message that came from J.D. Vance in Munich.

00:18:49.480 And simultaneously, he said something similar in the context of the Ukraine business.

00:18:54.820 You know, frankly, I don't know why Zelensky is still there.

00:18:57.980 As President of the United States, he's in a position to remove the man.

00:19:01.440 He's chosen to do nothing.

00:19:03.460 Now, some of that is because the same people who are supporting Netanyahu are supporting Zelensky.

00:19:09.040 Let there be no mistake about it.

00:19:10.420 You have the same loose configuration or congregation of people that want war in both locations.

00:19:18.580 But still, he could have done those things.

00:19:20.980 Now, what's happened is very simple.

00:19:23.540 He's expressed the view that America's microwave mentality is frustrated.

00:19:28.100 You know, for Americans, whenever we go anywhere and do anything, we expect everything to happen immediately.

00:19:34.800 There is no sense of time, no sense of distance, no sense of local, cultural, human concepts, interests, concerns.

00:19:45.500 We simply walk in and we say, we are God's gift to the planet.

00:19:50.100 We have all the answers and we expect you to adopt them.

00:19:54.360 Well, we don't have all the answers.

00:19:56.240 And one would think after the last 50 plus years or 60 years of nonsense all over the world, we would know that.

00:20:03.860 President Trump certainly expressed that view when he was president during his first term.

00:20:08.100 But for some reason, he's fallen back into it.

00:20:10.800 And so now he says, well, you know, Ukraine is no longer my problem.

00:20:15.640 If you refuse to cooperate with me and do what I say, well, I have no time for you.

00:20:21.960 He's forgotten that whatever happens, his top strategic priority is the normalization of relations with Moscow.

00:20:30.300 Moscow, that's important.

00:20:32.540 What's happened in eastern Ukraine is irrelevant to us.

00:20:35.580 But we do need to normalize our relations with Moscow.

00:20:38.840 And you're not going to get a normalization of relations with Moscow as long as you continue to pretend that there is some justifiable cause against Russia in places like Crimea or eastern Ukraine.

00:20:53.880 It's not.

00:20:54.540 It's completely unjustified.

00:20:56.280 And the Ukrainians have been badly used by the West.

00:20:59.220 It was always a setup from the beginning to try and somehow or another maximize the use of Ukrainian manpower with lots of ammunition, weapons and so forth against the Russians to wear down the Russians.

00:21:11.540 Well, that's been an immense failure.

00:21:14.540 Trump should have distanced himself from that business from the very beginning because we have no interest in the destruction of Russia.

00:21:20.680 We have no interest in the destruction of China.

00:21:22.980 The only interest we have is stability and prosperity, particularly beyond our borders and in the eastern hemisphere.

00:21:31.900 But he's walked away from it.

00:21:34.120 So now I don't expect anything to happen that will involve us.

00:21:38.020 I think this war will end when the Russians have decided they've finished. 0.90

00:21:41.920 It will end on the terms that they stipulate.

00:21:44.300 And ultimately, the Europeans, who without us can do absolutely nothing, will be compelled to live with it. 0.95

00:21:50.860 I think NATO will fall apart.

00:21:52.440 EU is well on its way.

00:21:54.260 And you'll see new organizations in Europe emerge over the next few years. 0.80

00:21:59.220 And I think the Germans in particular will dispose of this utterly feckless and useless governing elite in Berlin. 1.00

00:22:07.360 And they'll be in the forefront of walking out of both the EU and NATO.

00:22:11.920 And they'll have good relations with Moscow and Beijing.

00:22:15.640 And they won't be the only ones.

00:22:17.300 I think the Italians will go in that direction, as will many of the East Europeans. 1.00

00:22:20.600 We just don't understand the amount of damage that our combination of inaction and stupidity have produced. 1.00

00:22:30.600 But it's serious. 0.99

00:22:32.180 And pretty soon it'll be embarrassing to the point where we'll just leave.

00:22:37.080 We'll go away.

00:22:37.900 Get out.

00:22:41.740 Ukraine has lost a tremendous amount of young men and women.

00:22:47.420 And it's like they have decimated, destroyed an entire generation.

00:22:51.740 And it's the only parallel I can see is to the First World War.

00:22:55.940 And, of course, this conflict, as far as I'm concerned, has a lot in parallel, in common with the First World War.

00:23:01.920 And with your grasp of military history, I think you might agree.

00:23:06.640 But what strikes me as incredible is that if you look at the losses, a million-plus Ukrainians dead, not casualties, but fatalities,

00:23:15.960 you have to go back to the First World War, that's more than the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth, the Empire, suffered.

00:23:22.120 That's more than Serbia suffered, which really had—you have to look at countries like Germany and France, where the numbers were higher.

00:23:29.840 But these are horrendous figures for a country the size of Ukraine, population-wise.

00:23:35.500 How much longer can it possibly hold out when it's wiping out a generation like this? 1.00

00:23:40.640 This is the question that's being raised in Moscow, in the inner circle of President Putin.

00:23:47.360 And the Russians themselves have said, look, let's end this.

00:23:50.300 Let's get on with it. Stop it.

00:23:52.560 I think you're going to see a major offensive in the near future.

00:23:56.500 There certainly has been a requirement to wait until the muddy season was over so that you could move large numbers of troops.

00:24:03.100 He's also mobilizing another 140,000 or 135,000 men.

00:24:10.320 You're going to have a huge mass of manpower and military power and military equipment and capability very shortly, and it's going to move west.

00:24:19.640 I think the general staff in Moscow has always argued, whatever we do, we should march to the river line, because the Dnieper River, certainly for most of the history of the last sort of 800 years, has tended to be the eastern border of Western civilization.

00:24:40.920 Byzantine culture and Russian civilization began at the Dnieper River.

00:24:46.020 So I think there's pressure to do that.

00:24:49.800 Then there is also the determination to go back to Odessa as well as Kharkov, both of which are historically Russian and Russian-speaking.

00:24:58.320 Odessa was never part of this Ukrainian construct.

00:25:01.480 The Ukrainian construct was much further north, west, with a little bit on the east side.

00:25:06.280 And I think then the decision will be made, once we've secured this, do we now go straight into Kiev, which is something he's never wanted to do, because none of the Russians want to destroy anything in Kiev.

00:25:19.880 They see that as the birthplace or the cradle of their civilization and religion.

00:25:25.500 But they may find that they have to do that to put an end to this.

00:25:30.460 Between now and then, I think NATO will fall apart and EU will fall apart, and you may see interesting deals struck over what remains of Ukraine.

00:25:40.540 The Poles certainly have their eyes on what used to be called the rest of Galicia and Ruthenia, that was part of the Austrian Empire, and now the Hungarians are interested in getting their slice back that belonged to them. 0.95

00:25:55.600 I don't know what the Romanians will do and where they fit in or what these people in Moldova have up their sleeve. 0.96

00:26:01.380 But I suspect we could see all sorts of things happen in the future.

00:26:05.260 But what will not happen is that we are not going to preside over some peace deal.

00:26:11.460 We are not going to have the opportunity to sit at the peace table and support anything that the Russians and the Europeans come forward with.

00:26:21.600 And I think the British and the French know that.

00:26:24.320 But they thought that they could, by effectively holding us hostage, drag us into another conflict with Russia.

00:26:32.580 That's not going to happen.

00:26:33.700 That's an impossibility at this stage.

00:26:36.220 So, the British and the French have talked a great game, but in the final analysis, they're not going to go into Western Ukraine, because if they do, the Russians will see that as a direct provocation to their security.

00:26:49.400 The Russians will move west and crush whatever is coming to Western Ukraine. 1.00

00:26:52.860 Take you back to 1996, since we're talking about NATO and the relevancy of NATO today.

00:27:02.740 Christmas 1996, I'm having my Christmas dinner in Tuzla, Bosnia, which, of course, where the U.S. forces were there.

00:27:11.600 I was seconded as a Canadian Air Force officer to Tuzla, working under Colonel Neugebauer, who was their public affairs guy on the scene.

00:27:22.660 And an incredible event happened to me Christmas Day.

00:27:27.020 I was sitting at the mess table with three American Green Berets at my side.

00:27:34.420 Across the table from us were three Russian special forces who had come to Tuzla just for Christmas dinner.

00:27:42.120 And the interaction was that easy in those days.

00:27:45.180 This was before suddenly Russia became demonized again.

00:27:48.160 And I thought, isn't this emblematic of this new world we have here?

00:27:53.580 We're at peace with Russia. 0.98

00:27:55.800 We're friends.

00:27:56.520 And, of course, the two sides were trying to talk to each other.

00:28:00.560 The Russians were speaking in broken English, and the Americans were doing their best to answer. 0.98

00:28:06.420 And these were people who just years earlier were pledged to kill each other.

00:28:10.500 But yet they were getting along, and they were doing everything they could to understand their differences.

00:28:17.020 Of course, that's not how things worked out, was it?

00:28:21.660 And, of course, that whole—I was there with S-4, the NATO Stabilization Force from 96-97.

00:28:28.500 And if I recall, I believe you were a senior planner with NATO at that time, working on why NATO was bombing Serbia and Kosovo, trying to explain that.

00:28:43.900 And I was interpreting that policy to the world media in TUSLA as a public affairs officer for S-4, and CPIC, as we call it, the Coalition Public Information Office.

00:28:58.940 And in retrospect, do you think this is when NATO had an opportunity to say, why are we doing this?

00:29:09.200 Why are we looking for wars to continue to justify our existence?

00:29:13.300 The Cold War is over.

00:29:15.220 The Cold War ended in 1991.

00:29:17.520 The Soviet Union voluntarily dismantled the Warsaw Pact.

00:29:23.520 And as you know so well, NATO said, not one angie's work.

00:29:27.720 We're not going to expand this organization.

00:29:30.000 We promise you, Mr. Gorbachev, it's not going to happen.

00:29:32.760 Of course, that's the first thing we started talking about.

00:29:35.780 Should NATO have been disbanded in 1991?

00:29:38.520 And is the only way out of this today to bring back some kind of understanding with Russia?

00:29:44.680 It's not Joe Stalin's Soviet Union anymore.

00:29:48.560 It's a country trying to adapt to the world today.

00:29:53.140 Is the only way to get out of this to disband NATO?

00:29:56.060 Or will that just happen naturally?

00:29:58.600 Well, it's going to happen.

00:30:00.660 NATO is going to simply vanish.

00:30:02.540 Remember the old expression by Henry James?

00:30:05.560 Sacred cows are never slain.

00:30:07.260 They simply vanish.

00:30:08.880 Well, that's going to happen with NATO.

00:30:10.020 There was an opportunity in the early to mid-90s to essentially liquidate NATO by Europeanizing it.

00:30:19.300 Now, that was something that I and many others privately discussed and thought was a very good idea.

00:30:24.400 The idea being that we get a European to take over the military command structure to replace the U.S. four-star. 0.59

00:30:33.280 Well, when that was first discussed, everyone said immediately, well, we can't do that because all the command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, particularly everything space-based, it's really critical, is all American.

00:30:49.640 And so it can't possibly do that.

00:30:51.480 NATO has no non-U.S. military command structure.

00:30:55.580 Then there were some discussions about an EU army and an EU headquarters.

00:31:02.660 And predictably, nobody in Europe wanted to invest any money in the idea.

00:31:07.160 And so everybody was comfortable sitting on their rear ends doing nothing over in Europe and watching us run the show.

00:31:13.700 What they did not think at the time was that we would take such a short turn in the direction of conflict and hostility.

00:31:21.260 If you go back to 1997, 98, the hostility to Russia inside the Clinton administration, not at the top with Bill Clinton by any means, but certainly with Madeleine Albright and Vance and Al Gore, who was kind of a non-entity, but he threw his lot in with that bunch.

00:31:43.000 The people in the CIA at the people in the CIA at the top of the U.S. military, and I mean the top, I'm talking about Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, things like this.

00:31:52.300 It was a strong feeling, attitude that Russia had to be watched, Russia had to be contained, that in time there would be an attempt to recover in Russia.

00:32:03.620 And when that happened, we had to be on our guard and so forth.

00:32:06.400 That was already there.

00:32:09.280 And in fact, I had a member of the Clinton administration tell me point blank in 1998, don't you understand?

00:32:16.540 We are starting a democratic revolution that's going to sweep to Belgrade and from Belgrade all the way to Moscow.

00:32:24.720 Well, I looked for the package of hallucinogenics on the man's desk, couldn't find any.

00:32:31.060 So I quietly reached the conclusion he was no longer mentally stable.

00:32:38.560 This phony notion of democracy, and I'll be perfectly blunt with you, I'm sick of the use of that term.

00:32:45.340 We in the United States have never been a democracy.

00:32:47.720 We were always a republic.

00:32:49.140 If you were to gather the men that wrote the Constitution together and suggest that we were a democracy,

00:32:55.020 they would immediately have you arrested and thrown out of the convention.

00:32:58.520 They were afraid of democracy because they saw it as mob rule, which, of course, is exactly what we've experienced under the Biden administration, mob rule from the left.

00:33:09.840 Now we're in a different environment.

00:33:12.460 We have authoritarians, but now it's not necessarily the right.

00:33:15.920 It's the Israel lobby, for all intents and purposes, allied with all the people that stand to benefit and make money from whatever happens.

00:33:23.460 And you mentioned the military-industrial-congressional complex.

00:33:27.820 That's certainly a big part of it.

00:33:29.820 But the lead at this point is definitely the Israel lobby.

00:33:33.840 And back in the late 1990s, there were people that you saw later on, like Tony Blinken and others, who were on the periphery of what was going on in the Clinton administration.

00:33:44.240 They were already in that mode of thinking and had that attitude.

00:33:50.100 So I think it was a short-term opportunity, but not a very great one, because the Europeans would do nothing. 0.79

00:33:57.960 And the United States tends to mortgage a lot of what it does to national vanity.

00:34:03.040 And a lot of people in Washington like the idea of the United States being the, quote-unquote, single superpower who ruled over everything.

00:34:13.020 And that has brought us to where we are now.

00:34:15.500 We're no longer the single superpower.

00:34:17.320 We're not even, strictly speaking, a superpower, unless you just want to attach that to nuclear weapons.

00:34:23.620 And we don't like it.

00:34:25.440 And so now it's a backlash from the same people that got started in the late 90s in the Balkans and against Russia and then proceeded all through the early part of this century with the goal of building up this American hegemony that was directed against any potential, I would say, competitor.

00:34:47.920 And that, of course, is largely Russia and China.

00:34:52.480 Yeah.

00:34:53.000 Now, if we look at the Canadian election, and I'm sure you haven't been watching it too carefully, but what bothers me is that all of the potential prime ministers, and there's really two of them, but all political leaders involved in this race, are all can agree on one thing, that we have to continue to support Ukraine with money, billions into the black hole of Kiev, forever or as long as it takes.

00:35:18.260 And they're using the same phrase, and they're using the same phrase that these lunatics, Keir Starmer and Emmanuel Macron have been using.

00:35:25.220 And remember, the Canadian military, as you pointed out in our pre-conversation, is in worse shape than either the UK and France.

00:35:33.320 And they're not laudable.

00:35:34.680 They can't even fight a war.

00:35:36.600 But Canada's using this phrase now about going it alone, because if the U.S. doesn't want to fight Russia, if the U.S. doesn't want to support Ukraine, well, we'll do it alone.

00:35:47.780 How delusional and insane is that kind of talk?

00:35:51.800 No, completely.

00:35:53.700 But my view, if I were sitting in Washington and had any authority, is I would say, good luck.

00:35:59.820 Let us know how this turns out. 0.99

00:36:02.700 But then again, I'm somebody that thinks we should stop embarrassing ourselves and being stupid in Ukraine. 0.97

00:36:08.480 We should now do what we should have done months ago, which is end the support to the Ukrainian regime and get everybody who's an American citizen out. 0.95

00:36:19.740 And I would pull all these forces that are sitting in Poland and Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, out. 0.99

00:36:28.120 Get them out. 0.96

00:36:29.000 It's ridiculous. 0.72

00:36:30.300 There's nothing for them to do. 0.96

00:36:31.560 The Russians aren't coming. 1.00

00:36:33.620 So bring them home and start looking for a new European security architecture.

00:36:41.480 And we should help with that, but we should not necessarily try to lead it.

00:36:45.080 And we should reduce our presence in Europe to the bare minimum militarily until the Europeans decide what they want to do.

00:36:53.920 But I think, as President Trump has already suggested, and others have, it's time for us to remove that U.S. four-star.

00:37:01.700 The man right now, his name is Kavoli.

00:37:03.920 He seems to have played a leading role in the complete failure of the Ukrainian military operation against the Russians.

00:37:10.460 He seems like he should probably go anyway, along with a lot of other people.

00:37:15.760 But the point is, the whole thing is over.

00:37:19.880 Everybody is sort of delusional at this point, thinking that somehow or another they're going to step in and force these evil Russians back. 1.00

00:37:29.840 And there's nothing to force them back from that's of any importance to us at all.

00:37:34.500 And the Ukrainians, good Lord.

00:37:35.920 How much war do they need to suffer?

00:37:41.220 It's incomprehensible to me that our friend Zelensky and his fellow frauds have not been removed from power. 0.99

00:37:49.240 But then again, I think the British and the French, but particularly the British and us, have provided him with extraordinarily good security to keep him alive.

00:37:59.180 And I suppose that will continue.

00:38:02.140 But I think we should end it.

00:38:03.940 We should stop it and leave quietly and in an orderly fashion.

00:38:09.180 We should say we're leaving and make it abundantly clear that we're not kidding.

00:38:14.020 Then I think perhaps you could see some sort of peace arrangement emerge.

00:38:18.140 Again, the Europeans, you've got to look at the polling data.

00:38:21.860 You go to Poland or Germany, and I consider those two states to be enormously important.

00:38:26.200 And both the populations have said, we want nothing to do with the war against Russia.

00:38:31.800 That's very clear.

00:38:33.260 So you still have this sort of delusional regime under Mats.

00:38:37.580 He's another Soros-exposed character.

00:38:41.820 So is Macron.

00:38:43.080 So is Starmer.

00:38:44.160 I mean, Soros has got his fingerprints all over this sort of thing.

00:38:47.620 They all have to go away.

00:38:48.980 You know, these are the same people that brought in millions of so-called migrants. 0.97

00:38:54.620 And these are just Muslims that were trying to bring off jihad through migration. 1.00

00:39:02.000 And now they're stuck in France and Germany and other countries.

00:39:06.180 And the populations want them out.

00:39:08.080 And at some point, somebody's going to wake up and say, a lot of these people have to leave for their own security.

00:39:14.120 You know, this is what people don't understand.

00:39:16.700 You invite, we've got 51 million illegals inside the United States.

00:39:21.300 Oh, no, there's not that many.

00:39:22.780 Oh, yes, there are.

00:39:24.420 And once the era of abundance ends, which we've enjoyed for so many years economically in this country,

00:39:31.640 our artificial prosperity goes away because we no longer have a manufacturing base unless you want to count bombs and military equipment.

00:39:40.280 The only things we export that anybody buys, energy and agricultural products.

00:39:46.540 And now we can't export them to China anymore.

00:39:49.580 And the Chinese are the ones buying it. 0.99

00:39:51.680 I think somebody said there's been a 64% drop in our exports.

00:39:56.060 An $8 trillion destruction of capital and wealth in the United States.

00:40:03.420 Come on, this is over.

00:40:05.280 It's time to get out.

00:40:06.480 It's time to change.

00:40:07.580 It's time to adapt. 0.99

00:40:08.500 And the Russians are not fools. 0.99

00:40:10.980 The Chinese are not fools. 0.99

00:40:12.260 They're not interested in ruling the world, contrary to popular belief. 0.99

00:40:16.460 That's not their goal.

00:40:17.860 Their goal is to be prosperous and make money.

00:40:21.740 I have a question to you, sir.

00:40:23.400 The Canadian election, which is this coming Monday, Mark Carney could be elected.

00:40:29.300 Right now he was installed, I believe, by the globalists to be the prime minister of Canada.

00:40:34.900 But Mark Carney could very well be elected next Monday.

00:40:37.120 Mark Carney is a man who wants to replace the U.S. dollar.

00:40:41.080 He said so as the governor of the Bank of England.

00:40:42.900 He wants to replace the U.S. dollar with the Chinese yuan.

00:40:45.480 He wants to replace the United States as the world's economic engine with China.

00:40:50.340 He is in China's pocket. 0.95

00:40:52.000 He is a hardcore globalist.

00:40:54.680 Yet Donald Trump has endorsed him now twice.

00:40:57.360 Do you have any idea why Donald Trump would want Mark Carney elected in Canada?

00:41:03.200 If you ask the Chinese, they want nothing to do with the reserve currency.

00:41:07.880 They would much rather have the dollar remain the reserve currency.

00:41:11.700 People don't seem to understand that.

00:41:13.840 They see no benefit to it for themselves. 0.99

00:41:15.920 So I think that kind of a statement is a dumb one. 0.97

00:41:20.140 Now, could that happen? 0.97

00:41:21.960 If we continue on the economically catastrophic path that we're on right now under Trump, I guess it could.

00:41:30.760 And we'll end up probably with a basket of currencies as opposed to just one.

00:41:34.940 But the Chinese have made it clear repeatedly they don't want anything to do with the reserve currency.

00:41:41.640 And they're not the ones pressing for an end to the use of the dollar.

00:41:46.780 What they've done is they've responded to us.

00:41:49.320 We're the threatening force.

00:41:52.660 And so they said, fine, if you're going to make economic warfare on us, you're going to charge all these tariffs.

00:41:58.460 Well, we'll start selling off your treasuries.

00:42:00.900 By the way, the Japanese have begun doing that.

00:42:03.400 The Saudis have begun doing it. 0.93

00:42:06.060 At some point when it becomes a fire sale, we're in a lot of trouble because right now, foreign capital, contrary to everyone's expectation, I'm talking about Mr. Lutnik and Mr. Navarro, who've been advising President Trump on these tariffs, is not flowing into the United States.

00:42:24.720 And the interests in the bond market, particularly on the 10-year treasury, is rising.

00:42:31.380 How far is it going to get?

00:42:32.720 Well, if it hits 5%, that's it.

00:42:36.380 We can't service the debt.

00:42:38.360 We can't finance the government.

00:42:40.600 We implode financially.

00:42:42.240 So I don't know what this man Carney is talking about.

00:42:47.800 And I don't understand the sort of hostility, except as you point out, he seems to be connected to the Bank of London or the London banking cartel.

00:42:58.800 And he's connected to the regime there that is fundamentally globalist, not just anti-American, anti-European, anti-Christian.

00:43:07.720 And I'm sure he has support in Canada from people that think that being anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-European, anti-Western is a good thing.

00:43:18.400 I mean, after all, you look at your your own situation from the standpoint of immigration.

00:43:24.260 I was in Vancouver and it was made very clear to me that Vancouver is an extension of China in terms of immigration with substantial Indian participation.

00:43:34.940 And, you know, is it where's Canada?

00:43:39.320 What is Canada?

00:43:40.620 What is a Canadian?

00:43:42.020 You know, we're in this in the same sort of position right now.

00:43:45.180 People are starting to ask, what is an American?

00:43:48.340 And of course, the globalists want to answer anything.

00:43:53.220 Well, if an American is anything, then an American is probably nothing. 0.87

00:43:57.700 That's a very good point.

00:43:59.400 I think the problem is similar for you in Canada.

00:44:02.940 But, you know, again, it may take.

00:44:07.300 It may take people time to wake up.

00:44:10.080 And, you know, my experience is, sadly, things have to get worse before they get better.

00:44:15.180 I think you could be incredibly right there, Colonel.

00:44:20.800 And I promise to keep this to 40 minutes.

00:44:23.120 I thank you so much for your time.

00:44:24.920 And I hope to see you back.

00:44:26.300 I really wanted you on the show for so long.

00:44:28.660 I admire your work.

00:44:29.840 And God bless that work.

00:44:31.500 And Godspeed to you, Colonel.

00:44:33.580 We just we love you here in Canada.

00:44:35.780 At least a lot of us do.

00:44:36.920 So thank you for coming on the show.

00:44:38.700 I'm a big advocate for Canada.

00:44:41.580 You know, I was when I was in Vancouver.

00:44:44.080 I told this story to the audience and they were kind of shocked.

00:44:47.060 I said, you know, I've got to tell you, the last time I was in your country is in 1967.

00:44:52.460 Everybody was shocked.

00:44:53.760 You know, you haven't been to Canada since 1967.

00:44:55.840 No, I haven't.

00:44:57.840 And the reason I was there is that my grandfather wanted me to come up so that I would see the mass pipes and drums of the Royal Canadian Army march into the stadium.

00:45:11.320 Oh, yes.

00:45:12.800 This coincided, of course, with the change in your flag.

00:45:17.560 And, of course, as I said earlier, you know, I do have distant relatives that are up in Canada.

00:45:22.920 I mean, I haven't met them, but we know they're all part of the same DNA project I am in Scotland.

00:45:28.720 So we were all related.

00:45:30.760 But the bottom line is, you know, he said to me, I want you to see this Canadian Army, which was really a British Canadian Army before it is destroyed by the French.

00:45:42.640 Of course, he was rather anti-French at that point.

00:45:44.780 And he was appalled.

00:45:47.640 You know, this was a man that was in World War I and World War II, and he had a different view of the world.

00:45:52.440 And he was appalled at the destruction of the Union Jack, its removal from the flag.

00:45:56.580 And he said, Canada is doomed.

00:45:58.760 Well, let's see.

00:45:59.660 In 1967, I was 14.

00:46:03.340 I listened to all of this.

00:46:04.760 I didn't really understand it all.

00:46:06.180 I was just very happy to see the pipes and drums march in.

00:46:08.740 But he had a point.

00:46:12.180 What made Canada Canada was its British connection, cultural connection, identification with British culture, British identity.

00:46:24.240 That's largely gone.

00:46:26.040 So now you have to ask, what is a Canadian?

00:46:30.240 How do we define that?

00:46:31.760 And it's important because if you can't, the country won't last.

00:46:35.900 Same problem for us.

00:46:37.020 If we don't eventually get around to defining this is what an American is, we're not going to be around long.

00:46:45.120 Yeah, I have to agree.

00:46:46.920 And that's exactly what's been happening here in Canada.

00:46:49.640 Thank you again, Colonel.

00:46:50.600 And I hope we can have you back on this show.

00:46:52.800 God bless.

00:46:55.520 That was Colonel Douglas McGregor, one of my favorite military commentators, foreign policy commentators.

00:47:03.160 You won't get better than that.

00:47:04.980 This guy is always, always fantastic to listen to.

00:47:08.480 Thank you for listening to this show today.

00:47:10.900 Thank you for making this a part of your day.

00:47:13.380 I'll be back again tomorrow with Jasmine Lane, who I understand has interviewed Fear Polly.

00:47:20.860 Yes, I'm knocking at their door, too.

00:47:22.720 Thanks for watching today.

00:47:26.240 And God bless Canada.

00:47:28.120 Godspeed to all of you.

00:47:30.520 And thank you again for watching this show.

00:47:33.640 And I'll be back again tomorrow, live from our nation's capital in Ottawa.

00:47:38.640 Thank you.

Stand on Guard with David Krayden - April 22, 2025

EXPOSED： Canada Can't Go it Alone, Straight Talk from Col. Douglas Macgregor ｜ Stand on Guard

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