It's the ＂End of the CFIA＂： Veterinarian Speaks Out ｜ Stand on Guard
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Dr. Jeff Wilson is the founder and CEO of the Natural Poultry Network, a network of experts in the poultry industry. In this interview, Dr. Wilson talks about the recent massacre of hundreds of ostriches at Universal Ostrich Farms in Edgewood, B.C., and his thoughts on the government's handling of the situation.
Transcript
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And he's angry as hell over what happened a week ago at Universal Ostrich Farms.
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The Prime Minister lied and his minions continue to lie.
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We're calling on the government to introduce and immediately pass the Stand on Guard Law.
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And I guarantee you, tell your friends and family about this interview.
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The real experts are coming forth and saying what happened at Universal Ostrich Farms to Katie, her family, is outrageous.
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He says it was just incredibly inept and incompetent.
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Not only the so-called culling, the massacre of these birds, which he calls inhumane.
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But the aftermath has been incredibly sloppy and, once again, inept and incompetently led, obviously.
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So without further ado, I'm going to show this interview.
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Stay tuned till the very end of this broadcast because we've got a treat for you.
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It's a new video, and it's a sad salute to those ostriches that were once happy and roaming the fields and that were killed unnecessarily by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency.
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And if you're tuning in to stand on guard this morning, my guest is veterinarian, Dr. Jeff Wilson.
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And he's the founder of the Natural Poultry Network, and we're going to be learning a bit about that and his opinion about the recent massacre of hundreds of ostriches at Universal Ostrich Farms in Edgewood, B.C., from his perspective as an expert, as a veterinarian.
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And so, Jeff, to start off, I just want if you could fill us in on what is the Natural Poultry Network?
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I know you recently published this article in the Canadian Poultry Network, and very interesting.
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Could you just recap for the audience this morning?
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What exactly are the objectives of the National Poultry Network?
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And with all this stuff, there's a lot of moving parts, right?
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So to understand the context, as part of our work, so I run a company called Novometrics Research, which is a social enterprise.
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We're a for-profit company, but we work to help change things in the world, and one of them has been this avian influenza situation.
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So a few years ago, we had already been working in a bunch of other networks, so things like the Honeybee Network, trying to sort out things like colony decline, and we'd worked in the Antibiotic Resistance Network and so on.
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And we were getting some good traction on this.
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We had developed a process called Community Network Integration, or CNI, which basically brings networks together to solve wicked problems.
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Our company has worked extensively in the poultry industry globally over the years.
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And so I started, I could see there were a bunch of issues in the poultry industry in Canada and globally that needed fixing.
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The fundamental problem in all of these wicked problems is, it doesn't matter whether it's homelessness, rather, or avian influenza, or what have you.
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And we live in a world which is highly siloed, so people don't talk to each other, they don't collaborate well together across networks.
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And as a result, it's very hard to get solutions going, because we're now dealing with complex problems.
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In public health, people say the easy problems have been solved, so we chlorinated the water, right, stuff like that.
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But now these are highly complex problems that involve all sorts of stakeholders and so on.
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So I started talking to my colleagues in the Poultry Network, and they said, yeah, this is a good idea to start bringing all these pieces together.
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And so we started a network of stakeholders across Canada, people, some poultry farmers, some people in the supply industry like pharma, some members of the public.
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I actually had a, and still do have a lady who's senior within CFIA, and we created a thing called the National Poultry Network, which to my knowledge is the first poultry enterprise in Canada to begin to bring all these different parts together.
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So that's what it is, and pretty soon, once you start doing this, and you have a good process, you start getting more people interested, you start doing things, creating a data framework.
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So we started to talk to people in the industry about what was happening with avian influenza.
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Then we did a comprehensive review of all the literature related to this, and we discovered that the response to avian influenza in Canada, and this will be no surprise to your listeners, is utterly chaotic.
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And so now with that, that network is expanding out, and there are many, many projects happening now, and the ostrich situation has been one of the intersection points.
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That's video here, as we focus on the massacre, the killing, the culling, as the CFIA wanted to term it, at the ostrich farm, this video footage still shocks people.
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So, of course, I think that prompts a number of questions, but my first one.
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And so this was a week ago, literally a week ago.
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This is how Katie Pasitne and the family woke up Friday morning.
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And as we learned afterwards, some of the birds weren't quite dead.
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They were twitching, and they had to finish them off.
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But was this shooting, and apparently they expended over 1,000 or at least 1,000 rounds into perhaps 300 ostriches.
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The Canadian Food Inspection Agency refuses to be specific about numbers, just as it refused to test or allow anybody to count the birds, even count the birds.
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But was the shooting of these ostriches multiple times a humane way of killing them?
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I personally, it's not like I haven't been involved in killing animals, humanely euthanizing animals.
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So I've been on farms having to, I've been in, I was a small animal vet where I started.
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I've been involved in research studies where we had to euthanize lots of chickens.
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It's, yeah, it really, I'm like a lot of people, I can't, it's so outrageous, I can't even still believe that anything so incompetent would happen.
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But anyway, well, it's interesting too, the aftermath has been just as controversial as the occupation of the farm and the killing of the ostriches a week ago.
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And a little bit of this video here, because this, how's that technique, anyway?
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I'm not sure about the, uh, the whole virus side of things.
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So why are those hay bales all knocked over at the back there?
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okay that's the scene i wanted to capture because here's the rcmp using a pitchfork
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to spread this hay that has been contaminated with bird debris bird blood
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they're they're not even wearing gloves these they're bare hands there's no ppe there's certainly
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no hazmat suits and one a couple of minutes later in this video there's a there's a few two bystanders
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watching this i think one of them might be the one filming it actually and the rcmp joked about hey you
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dudes want a hazmat suit so they're they're they're absolutely not taking this seriously
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they never wore any protective gear throughout the whole operation the cfia spent about 48 hours
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without hazmat suits when they first arrived and it's almost like they remembered whoops
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forgot the costumes we've got to make this look good but is is this the way that this site was
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so-called cleaned up with the rcmp spreading hay all over the place with pitchforks and they literally
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dumped this hay all over the farm just to add insult to injury to almost intentionally contaminate the
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the property but is this the usual way that the canadian food inspection agency completes what they
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would call a biocontainment operation or so is this unique um so there's kind of two parts to that
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like is this is this proper practice and is this what cfi normally does so i i know it's it's absolutely
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not proper practice um i suspect it's not what cfia does in commercial poultry farms i mean i haven't
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seen one of those operations but um uh it's certainly not it certainly has nothing to do with bile
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containment so so um uh give me a sec here i have to recover so the so um even if you even if you
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believe that these birds were were shedding avian influenza in any significant amount which i'm you
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know i i i'm sure you know the evidence strongly suspects they're not because almost certainly they had
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herd immunity right but even um uh if they did if they if they did uh have this it it makes no sense
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whatsoever to be doing this as a avian influenza biocontainment response um if you accept what is
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probably going on i.e that they were not shedding virus there are all sorts of other um poultry you know
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and ostrich pathogens around other than avian influenza which these birds might be shedding and and virtually
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all poultry and birds shed normally um uh zoonotic pathogens that is you know bacteria and so on that can
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infect people like they're loaded with salmonella and campylobacter and just normally right that's why
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you don't eat raw chicken so by any measure no it's i can i go i don't think it's anything other than
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utter incompetence or utter incompetence or like you're suggesting and i can't prove it but um deliberately
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trying to provoke who knows but it's definitely not competent in the extreme especially in this
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situation well clearly the cfia and the rcmp did not believe that these birds had avian influenza or
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they would not have been working in in this manner so they can't have it both ways either the birds had
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avian influenza and this was a utterly incompetent sloppy exercise or the birds did not have avian
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influenza and this proves it again but as you said avian influenza aside i don't think you want to be
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working with animal parts like this spreading blood and debris around the farm handling it literally with
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with bare hands with a pitchfork this is not a safe practice so i mean we would have to term
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this as a sloppy and unsafe and particularly for i mean it's one thing if you're working on a farm and
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you're regularly exposed to um two things like salmonella and camp but uh uh arguably you have
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um you know you will have built up likely a high degree of immunity but not not likely um uh police
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officers i'm sorry for laughing david i've been told not to laugh but it's partly
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it's laugh or cry and and partly it's um i think it helps to let people know no this is this is like
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this is the gong show is what you're watching and many people in public health have said it's a gong show
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so anyway i apologize oh no i agree with you either you laugh or you cry i woke up last friday morning and
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i did cry yeah sometimes i cry i do because it was utterly tragic yeah and and watching these majestic
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birds definitely run around that field twirling obviously healthy and happy this was completely
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sadistic completely unnecessary totally and it it is it is tragic and it does it's brought a lot of us to
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tears to see how this organization is off the rails and and is is running rogue yeah but you have been
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a critic of the stamping out policy which i found out goes back quite a few years in canada actually
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goes back to the harper uh prime years and when he was prime minister and it's never really been
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challenged and the the talking points you get from the cfia are well we're just following the guidelines
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and rules of the world health organization and the world organization for animal health
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however when you actually look that up and and and these are not organizations i'm usually very
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sympathetic towards i don't really like globalist entities making policy in canada which is of course
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what they do but even the world organization for animal health is saying no stamping out is not a
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rational policy try quarantine and if if the animals develop the herd immunity then stamping out is
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not necessary it's like the cfi is stuck in a time warp totally where this this was a conceivably viable
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policy i guess at one time but clearly it's not anymore we've lost tens of millions of chickens in
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canada as i'm i know you are aware it's driving up the price of poultry the price of eggs
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these ostriches were not being used for food they were not being exported to the united states or
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anywhere else no but yet we continue this insane policy until every last bird will be dead in canada
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based on the fact that well they might contract avian influenza and we can't have that might as well
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kill them all so that won't that won't happen even though that's the natural process of animals developing
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immunity without mass vaccination programs and without mass culling programs that are literally
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exterminating every last domesticated bird in canada and they'll start on the wild ones next of course
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and canada geese are on the chopping block as well but why is stamping out such an irrational policy at
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this point well so and and uh it's another one of these things with some moving parts so so um actually
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there are like you've alluded to david there are definitely uh situations in which coke so-called
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stamping out that is proper testing and and slaughter under a proper outbreak response
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um system using what we call the pillars of outbreak response which we can talk with you
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there there there are definitely contexts and so that makes sense so so uh it's now quite a few years
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ago but but uh in canada we did have for example in cattle um bovine tuberculosis and brucellosis both
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zoonotic infections which are very very bad human infections and at that time i believe it would have
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been ag canada it was before cfi would have even been conceived um canada and the u.s and the uk and
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and other countries recognizing this as a problem uh realized that they had to do something about and
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and in that context they they went in and they they depopulated entire herds of cattle in canada
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but it was different because the bacteria involved were ones which were were not circulating
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on mass in wild populations that was one of the big things so if you have a a bug that's in wild
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populations um and is a source to uh animals stamping out on you know all things being equal is not just
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this doesn't make sense you you can't control it and and that's what's happened with um avian influenza
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it's of course in wild populations you kill a whole sorry for the you know the end graphic but you you
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euthanize barn after barn and millions of chickens well it deals with those but then the next ones just
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get reinfected by a um a canada goose droppings or a sparrow or whatever it happens to be so it makes
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no biological sense and not only that as people have said we're now apparently in our 11th year
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of doing this staffing out for um for avian influenza it's clearly not working just you know look at the
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evidence and there's no biological reason to think it would work and so it's it's another part of the
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incoherence of cfia unfortunately with cfia literally built into their mandate they have no mandate
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to do outbreak response for anything as universally understood they have a mandate to test what they want
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kill what they want and um uh none of it is coherent none of it's coherent they don't have
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they they literally don't have a mandate to um come in and figure out what's actually causing a given
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outbreak and what to do about every single outbreak as they define it by their choice
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every one of them is a nail and they got they got one hammer stamping out as i see it i i and i've
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talked i've talked with the chief veterinarian for canada and the deputy chief veterinarian for canada
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i've talked with howard new who's the acting chief public health officer it's utterly incoherent and
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they're kind of looking for a lifeline but they have no idea what to do despite the fact that
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we've told them what to do anyway sorry for hopefully your listeners can understand why i'm
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laughing it's it's it's theater of the absurd and had it not had such a tragic ending totally i think
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we would be laughing because this was yeah as you said a gong show the gong show these cfia agents or
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inspectors whatever you want to call them yes did not seem to have any cognizance of animal health
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or welfare when they were challenged by other people on the farm including a vet one veterinarian
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was allowed access that was a friend of the of katie and her family yeah and he challenged them on a
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number of issues and they did not seem to have the vaguest idea of what a veterinary health animal health
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and what they were doing there except waiting to kill them yeah and at the time of course they were
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literally chasing the ostriches around with lassoes we have video evidence of that they were harassing
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them they were at times uh punching and kicking at the ostriches they were exercising incredibly raw
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animal cruelty and they got away with it not a single word from the rcmp no charges have been laid and i
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don't believe any charges will be laid and this is this has been absolutely outrageous but and the
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aftermath of course it was all about the cfia ensuring no tissue samples were taken which has the the cfia
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pulled up stakes yesterday actually with the rcmp left the farm it's still quarantined it looks like
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a disaster area which of course is exactly what it is totally but the cfi is claiming yesterday in a in
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a in an article i read in the i think it was castanet which is a western canadian publication and they
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actually said that everybody went through uh how do they sterilization when they left the farm every day
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absolute nonsense because all of the bystanders said there was nothing like that going on
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but then they had the the nerve to say that all of the ostriches have been disposed up
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and they're in what they call deep burial sorry when did that happen because we have people right now
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at the surrey super safe who say these ostriches are still there in the parking lot so i do you think
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these do you think they've actually disposed of these birds or not well again so so i can't know for
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sure and my thing is what one in my role right as a scientist and also as someone now leading proper
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outbreak response things i say i i have to base them on on evidence right so so i
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i have definitely heard this uh second hand right um so i don't so i don't know i've heard it multiple
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times um i think uh to get to the bottom of this and find out where these birds are now and uh you know
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document that if possible and if if legal get samples of those birds what they should all should happen with
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those birds at this point now is they should um be subjected to a forensic autopsy right so they
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should be properly autopsied um and the prop although they've been decomposing there are still tests that
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could be done that would help to clarify whether they were shedding virus or not it's not nearly as good
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as being you know fresh but it's still possible so if there's a way to do that uh that would be good
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actually that would be good certainly makes no absolutely no sense the sitting sitting rotting
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in a dumpster in a in a strip mall parking lot i mean uh what about homeless people or anybody
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reaching in and grabbing them and touching them they're they're almost certainly loaded with
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salmonella and campylobacter at the very least by it well that's well you know if the cfia
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wanted to create a public health crisis they've certainly done that by if if this is in fact true
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and we're hearing numerous reports about about this i'd be very interested uh and yeah no well well
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certainly this is yeah this is not a very healthy situation i yesterday i was talking to somebody
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close to the operation and they said that there are rats and mice running around obviously this sort
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of thing that does attract these kind of rodents and it's it's just completely pervasively unhealthy
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everything about this well it's just it's just it's morbid it's beyond incompetence it's it's morbid right
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it's just egregious to do this kind of thing there's that there's no excuse for this in any context
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especially people getting millions of dollars from the federal government to to run this kind of stuff
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so yeah well of course that was another aspect to this operation that people found absolutely astounding
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uh mutual friend uh former ag minister jerry ritz was on my show a couple of weeks ago and we we
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discussed this and i said jerry what do you estimate this is costing every day and he said well at least
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a hundred thousand yeah yeah he he might have been conservative in his estimate but this was a hugely
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expensive occupation unnecessary occupation of this farm and i think they've done everything that they
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possibly could to ruin the farm and the live the livelihood of these farmers which is why i'm
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encouraging them to do whatever they need to do to recoup their losses and to write into fundraise at this
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crucial time this should not have happened to them so well and i think part of this speaks to the
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um overreach and really just power grab right uh and and what it's like power corrupts right and uh
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i think that's pretty clear what's happening um and i think cfia you know it's been a long time in the
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making uh they got away with it with the commercial poultry industry the commercial poultry industry is much
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easier to control by cfi and federal government and self-control i know lots of people in the commercial
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poultry industry i love the poultry industry i know it sounds weird but i've worked in it for years
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but they're controlled because um uh cfia holds a lot of power over the industry and can cause serious grief
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uh the duck and geese industry in in um in uh bc uh they went through the same kind of depopulation stuff
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uh and had lawsuits against cfia or or sorry i i think like the ostrich farm they stood up against but
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they lost but i have a feeling when they took on katie and karen and dave they took on something they
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don't know what they've got here i don't i personally i don't see how cfia can survive this
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personally but they're not going down without a fight that's that's interesting because katie of
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course is uh vowing to continue to fight the cfia's methods and the cfia's as an organization and to do
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whatever she can to help other farmers and other farmers and she's calling this uh a voice for farmers
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yeah i don't think well and sorry i was going to say so we've we did a detailed analysis of what cfia
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has done by interviewing stakeholders under a formal you know academic process and a literature review
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um i can tell you what cfia is doing this this um incompetence and and lack of understanding of
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outbreak response and actually not even having a mandate to the outbreak response and stamping out
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in the absence of proper outbreak response it's not just chickens it's it's all animal species in
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canada that they're that they're dealing with it's all plant species in canada it's uh all of their
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antibody antimicrobial resistance programs which which speaks directly to human health so uh it's it's broken
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if cfia would simply if senior management it's not it's not the operational people it's senior
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management if senior manager would simply come to the table and and we've asked them and start
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discussing how can we do this better this could all be resolved honestly if they understood what was
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going on and were willing to act in good faith we could resolve this at a high level in about an hour
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and then put in place the proper systems but they just refuse to listen yeah that is so indicative of
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this arrogance in this organization because they refuse to be questioned i sent them literally 13 questions
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a couple of days before the massacre occurred on the farm and they sent me their latest news release
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i did not even bother to answer a single question i have had no luck at all contacting their flack
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as we say in the business their their public relations person nobody wants to answer the phone nobody wants
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to talk to reporters certainly if you're not in the pocket of this they don't want to and this has been
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the arrogance of this organization and i think this is what has really infuriated katie and her family
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is that they they would not even talk to them during this whole procedure they they had to deal with us
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with the police liaison officer or send emails to the ottawa headquarters which of course they never even
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responded to and it was just like we're here and we're going to stay and we're going to do our
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our killing whether you like it or not or no matter how canadians feel about this but from what you're
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saying sounds like you're optimistic that the this could be the beginning of the end of this cfia as it
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is anyway and that we might see something rebuilt or at least some reforms coming through i mean they they
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can't possibly walk away from this i i don't think so it sounds like you don't think so either i i don't
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i don't think so like i don't have a crystal ball right but um but i don't think i don't think cfia can
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can survive this and um uh particularly as you know the public starts to see what's going on and
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as the public starts to see credentialed scientists and others you know economists and everybody else
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coming forward and showing the the evidence of what's going on uh i don't think they can i don't
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think they can survive and i think um like when i was talking to jerry ritz um he said if if he had
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been uh and i i don't uh have a particular uh political leaning to the conservatives just so you know
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i i i found them very very helpful in all of this avian influenza stuff um but uh uh his feeling was
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if he if this had happened when he was minister he would just uh brought in the head of cfia and say
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stop this or you're fired and and i know when i was working with the public health agency that's
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what happened to me if i had done something on the human health side like this so i don't think
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i don't think they can survive and um i can tell you also people in the poultry industry
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now in the commercial poultry they're all they're starting to step forward and there's some in
00:36:49.340
particular uh i can tell you that the um the industry the poultry industry in bc although they
00:36:56.620
although they um naturally and i don't i'm not speaking on their behalf right then so if they're
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listening i'm not trying to put words in your mouth but uh what they've been doing is now putting
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in proper outbreak response under what we call the pillars of outbreak response so one of the things
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they've done is um part of the part of the proper way to deal with this and it's a matrix of things
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right it's not just one thing it's not just one vaccine or one stamping out it's a whole matrix of
00:37:30.860
things that have to be done and a lot of them have to be worked through but one of them is um better
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biosecurity and uh our group has been working on this as well a really uh you know intelligent way to
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be looking at this is using ultraviolet light within poultry barns to disinfect air and and surfaces well
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well the uh the um bc um government gave the poultry industry two million dollars to begin
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researching putting these ultra putting ultraviolet light into poultry barns in b in bc um i connected
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with them because we part of our thing is connecting people together so we're we're doing similar stuff
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here in ontario i connected to them they're very interested in working with us they said oh the
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lead of this is the um bc government uh you should talk to the um to the chief veterinarian for bc she's
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leading well so at the provincial level and that's also what we've seen in ontario uh at the provincial
00:38:40.460
level what we're doing is you know bringing people together and proper ever response has been
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very much embraced by the uh provincial government in fact uh the the the lady who's one of the key
00:38:52.380
people in you know mafra that's the ontario ministry of agriculture she's on our leadership team and
00:38:59.260
helping you know we're collaborating to get this uv light stuff into into ontario barns that article that
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you you showed uh from canadian poultry magazine the um the provincial government uh published
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essentially you know a formal version of that in their in their official animal health newsletter for
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ontario so at the provincial level we're seeing people doing that doing the right thing it's just
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at the federal level and it's at the it's at the senior management level federal i i don't even i mean
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i know lots of people i know some people in omath i or sorry in cfa i don't know a lot of them but
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i've talked to some of them and i've watched what's going on uh i think it's this is a clear thing of
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when there's it all starts at the top if you've got people who are in incompetent at the top it goes
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right through the whole art organization uh fix that uh you can you know there may be some people
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who are deranged who actually like shooting ostriches they're probably not the people you want
00:40:13.100
euthanizing animals so with the proper leadership the top of course you do a full human resources audit
00:40:21.420
right and and a intervention audit and you would and then you would fix the system so i honestly don't
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think it's that that hard and i think it's really important for for listeners to this kind of program
00:40:34.300
to realize that's likely where we want to go we want to bring all the people together of canada
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including people working in cfia who know what's going on bring them together start creating
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alternatives that work and i can talk about that like like what they're doing in bc and that will
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show people no we're not just about pointing fingers we're not just about saying hey this won't
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work we're saying here's what will work and we're doing it be part of it and then show people a
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system that works that i think that's the solution that's what this i sent you that thing last night
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about the canadian outbreak response integrative network that's what that is doing corin yes and
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that uh that paper in your abstract will be in the description so people can access it yeah i know you're
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also uh adjunct or an associate professor at the university of wealth and you're doing some
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tremendous academic work there excuse me all my best i want to want to thank you for your time i know
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you're you're going to be spending it with your family today have a wonderful day dr wilson and thank
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you for joining me and i'm sure we'll be in touch again this this has been an incredible and a very
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invaluable interview and i and i thank you for your time today and godspeed and well again thank you to
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you david and your listeners like this it's all about actually organizing coherently now like we go
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through a period of grieving and anger and then we organize nationally not with the objective of getting
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rid of cfia but of primarily not it's not about it's building a proper system and then cfia they'll
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simply dissolve as people start to see what's going on anyway i appreciate your time uh david thank
00:42:15.740
you well thank you thank you dr wilson and we'll as i say bye for now and we will stay in touch awesome
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and that of course was dr wilson veterinarian who fantastic jeff wilson have fantastic interview i really
00:42:36.700
really enjoyed that i'm sure a lot of you did too and just in case you're wondering you know
00:42:43.820
so what he's been working on some complaints and evidence about cfi and rcmp and super safe biosecurity
00:42:50.540
labs to this department and this will be in the description as well because this we need to report
00:42:59.260
what's going on here and there's a growing evidence that this has been not just incompetent but sinister
00:43:06.700
and we're going to be continuing to push back on the cfia now i promised you that video at the very
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end here but first this the rcmp just like ceases has been bothering people you know this is a better
00:43:25.740
way this is the dr jeff wilson's work here and this will be in the description this is what we're talking
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about he's proposing sanity and as he pointed out several times the cfia is just going to disappear
00:43:39.580
it cannot survive what's been happening here cannot survive so
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you know encourage you to read this but this is an incredible
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bit of tape here you might remember we had blake roberts on the show he's a
00:44:00.780
real estate guy in colonna who did a heck of a lot of good work for the freedom
00:44:04.780
sorry for the freedom convoy 2.0 for the universal ostrich farms during the last six months eight months
00:44:13.420
he was always there did a lot of footwork and he's being harassed he just got back from a trip
00:44:19.340
to mexico and some people suggested he was fleeing the country no he it was a scheduled trip he was
00:44:24.780
going to take a vacation and he he's back now and look what he came back to
00:44:29.580
not a problem at all yeah blake did like i was trying to clarify the information i gave you um
00:44:39.740
so i'm happy to do that once you get the thing recorded okay i've got it recorded can you identify
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yourself sir first sorry and i'm not trying to be difficult but uh i just want to let everybody
00:44:48.780
know that's hearing this um yeah okay go ahead go ahead yeah my name is constable dunhill with the
00:44:54.620
colonel rc and i'm following up on an assist file from saskatchewan police thank you that question
00:45:02.220
one of what have i been accused of sir so you you blake were named as one of uh a group of individuals
00:45:12.460
that were making online posts your specific post um that was uh that was relayed in a message to me
00:45:19.500
um was that there was information relating to a specific officer whose name phone number email
00:45:26.060
address and business address were shared with the node to make the sob famous um that's the information
00:45:32.620
that was provided to clone rcmp that uh that they that was uh posted from your facebook account the
00:45:39.020
information i was given okay well five minutes ago that's not what you said no no five minutes ago what i
00:45:45.980
what i said was there was information from the group of people that were making specific posts
00:45:51.500
and i was explaining what that what those posts were i didn't get a chance to tell you what your
00:45:55.900
specific account said because you said you didn't want to continue the conversation until you could
00:45:59.500
record you told me once no you you told me that i was accused of something you can you just repeat
00:46:05.500
what you know i said you were you were accused of online activity right online activity was what i
00:46:11.740
specifically said you were accused for um that had that had been presented to us these specific
00:46:17.180
things that i said earlier were in relation to other individuals you didn't give me a chance to tell
00:46:23.820
you what was actually posted from your account which is what i've just clarified now that's not what you
00:46:29.180
said sir you said i was accused of something so i said i've got to stop the conversation okay so like
00:46:34.300
like ultimately i'm not going to dispute what you heard and what i said uh on like on like on our
00:46:40.060
previous call ultimately what i just told you and what you are now recording is exactly the information
00:46:46.620
that has been delivered to me and what i was following up on so ultimately if you if your
00:46:52.860
facebook account was used to share information relating to a cfia officer um that is that like
00:46:58.140
that is something you shouldn't be doing um and that is and that would be why saskatoon contacted us
00:47:03.420
and asked us to caution you about that type of behavior moving forward because if that type of behavior
00:47:07.580
continues that can lead towards critically that can lead to criminal charges now this is not this is
00:47:13.100
not coming from the corner cmp we are just relating the request to you because ultimately you are a
00:47:17.580
resident of colonna which is why the request came to us they didn't know and i definitely didn't know
00:47:21.420
because i went to your house earlier uh that you were literally out of country at the time
00:47:26.220
yes i noticed from my doorbell family two rcmp officers two tweezers came to my house yep that's correct
00:47:32.380
yeah yeah myself and a partner went went to went to the address uh before i before i texted you yet
00:47:37.260
exactly two cruisers yeah yeah separate cruisers that's right yeah yeah and but just again what did
00:47:46.380
you say somebody was okay if you're not saying that i was accused of what you said something on the first
00:47:51.420
phone call that somebody was accused of then yeah yeah so there was an online activity related to the
00:47:58.540
same cfia officer that had like that had presented threats directly to his family members to his home
00:48:05.900
um and uh like and ultimately trying to essentially coordinate uh locals um to uh to assist with with
00:48:13.500
those activities what exactly did you say can i ask that again well again like ultimate like ultimately
00:48:21.500
blake those comments were made by your accounts um so i like i'm not going to specifically say to state
00:48:26.380
that again i was trying to provide you context for the call but i like now that we're specifically
00:48:31.260
talking especially on the record with your recording and i'm having conversation with you
00:48:35.340
conversation with you about what was what was posted on your account that's been relayed to us
00:48:40.460
that is what i'm going to disclose well you you said to me 10 minutes ago you referred to online
00:48:47.420
threats of gang raping somebody's wife let's be sure that is what you said to me
00:49:00.620
no did is that what you did say you can hear me sorry that what you said is that what you said in
00:49:07.180
the phone call that that there was threats made by somebody to gang rape somebody's wife
00:49:11.820
that is information that was presented to you before yes okay thank you okay but that was not
00:49:18.540
but that information was not presented that it came from your direct account it was in relation to a
00:49:24.140
group of individuals making online posts your specific one like i said i didn't have a chance to
00:49:29.820
actually tell you what it was because you said you wanted to conclude the call again to make sure that
00:49:33.580
it could be audio recorded okay and again what was my specific again can you repeat that sorry
00:49:39.660
and i'm not trying to be difficult i know you've seen your job but yeah of course no no it's okay
00:49:44.780
it's okay blake so uh the information that was presented in the message directly from saskatchewa or
00:49:52.380
um that's the service was that your facebook account shared um an individual's name their phone number
00:50:01.820
email address and business address with a note make the sob famous that's the information that i
00:50:07.660
was given that was sent to you by your specific facebook account now can you confirm that that
00:50:12.300
was sent by your account i that i something similar that might have happened um but it was a business
00:50:17.820
account not a home not a home address so excuse me a business address not a home address cfia offices are
00:50:25.820
i assumed public wasn't i would never share somebody's home address okay we're ticketing
00:50:31.660
we're picking cif cfia offices all over the place his business cell number i would assume is
00:50:38.380
business um so i guess if i'm going to be charged with that um i don't know as i mentioned on the
00:50:46.460
call earlier before blake i'm calling you just to caution you on the behavior there there has been
00:50:51.420
no information presented to me that it like charges are being investigated this time um ultimately i'm
00:50:57.900
just here to relay the information okay there is no there is no information was given to me that
00:51:05.900
that there is currently charges being investigated the expectation was that like that you would be
00:51:10.700
warned about the behavior and that ultimately if there was future behavior that contained along that
00:51:16.460
vein there could be arrested of criminal charges but nothing so far has been has been notified by us
00:51:22.140
okay um i have been very vocal on facebook with officers while i was at the farm i'm just going to say
00:51:32.700
something and it's it's not meant as a personal attack on you um officer um i vote as a citizen who
00:51:44.380
has always put trust in our national police force um i have to say how utterly disappointed i am that the
00:51:54.940
national peace force was there the fact that um our citizens were essentially in my opinion attacked by
00:52:02.380
our national peace force that i no longer consider the royal canadian mounted police i consider the
00:52:06.700
government of canada mounted police i don't trust the agency nothing gets used here again i want to stress
00:52:13.820
that i know you guys are in a tough spot um and i think your hierarchy has put you in a in a horrible
00:52:21.260
spot where people like me that are normally law-biding citizens no longer plus their police force so i don't
00:52:28.700
envy position you're in so thanks for listening there nothing personal yeah of course of course thank you sir
00:52:38.300
okay blake yes absolutely well blake uh i relay the information that i believe that you that you need
00:52:44.540
at this point do you have any other questions for me no i don't thank you so what was all that about
00:52:52.060
well intimidation harassment threats he wasn't charged with anything you really think blake roberts would
00:52:59.580
be putting out what they described and i i hesitate to repeat it because it's nonsense
00:53:04.940
blake was very critical of the rcmp and the cfia but they are so ready to accuse people of doxing
00:53:15.420
accuse people of harassment when that's what they're doing so blake i want to just play that whole thing
00:53:21.660
because i think it's important people hear it because it's going to be a lot of this going through social
00:53:27.580
media the next few days i saved the best for last this is our sad salute to those once happy ostriches
00:53:35.340
that ran and played and twirled on the fields of universal ostrich farms and this is my happy salute
00:53:44.140
if i can even say it that way to katie karen and dave for their courageous work
00:53:51.820
and pushing back against government overreach government tyranny they did a damn good job
00:53:59.820
they did they gave everything this is why we're gonna we're gonna support them and we need to give
00:54:22.140
oh the sun came up on a quiet day where the wind used to dance through a hundred gentle hands
00:54:31.180
our ostriches walking in the early daylight a family just trying to live life right when the cops rolled in
00:54:43.340
like a storm out east no care in their voices no mercy in their reach canada was lost when the first shot rang
00:54:59.660
we stood there shaking couldn't believe our ears
00:55:05.660
stolen by cowards fear and our angels fell like tears on the ground
00:55:18.540
a nation watched while the law looked away the ones sworn to protect us
00:55:33.420
and all that's left are feathers and blood on the ground
00:56:00.300
and the family cried out with hands on the fence watching dreams fall
00:56:58.060
but this land is stronger than the ones who did wrong
00:57:04.220
and we will rise and remain strong because our country's worth saving
00:57:10.620
it starts with us now saying never again we will never
00:57:35.340
we'll be broken but a new hope found we honor forever
00:57:48.540
we're fighting for every farmer out there who is under our watch we will never ever let another farmer go
00:58:11.740
and that's katie's mission right now and she'll be on the show on monday to talk about her new mission which is a voice for farmers
00:58:38.160
she's going to be fighting the cfia and supporting farmers everywhere in this country and that's where katie is going from here
00:58:43.500
and that's where katie is going from here and i am 100 with her and behind her and that song
00:58:49.900
that video is dedicated to katie her mom karen and dave bolinski who fought the good fight and
00:59:01.660
once again send complaints and evidence and we'll have this in the description don't stop
00:59:09.580
don't be cowed don't let injustice and tyranny triumph because all that's necessary for that
00:59:20.380
to happen is for good men and women to do nothing and we vow to do much
00:59:27.740
thank you for watching today i had difficulty holding back tears watching i i i shed a few
00:59:32.620
this morning when i first saw it all together those are very very poignant moments and thank
00:59:41.740
you so much for being a part of the show today i'm putting a sub stack together based on this
00:59:47.900
interview that will be out later today and of course doing a spot with rebel news at one o'clock i don't
00:59:57.180
think that's live i'm not sure when that's going to be aired but i'll let you know
00:59:59.740
and thank you for your support thank you for watching this show thank you for being there
01:00:05.340
during all of this and we'll be continuing to fight back
01:00:21.420
thank you for sharing this station with your friends and family thank you for hitting that like
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button because i tell you we have we are fighting back in a way i've never had to before because
01:00:32.540
i'm going to keep this station on the air i'm going to keep fighting for freedom i'm going to keep
01:00:37.020
fighting for justice and truth and i am damn determined to resist this carny government in any
01:00:46.140
way possible as it encroaches upon our individual freedom and it will continue to do that mark my words
01:00:53.980
i'll be back again tomorrow same time same place 10 a.m this has been david creighton
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broadcasting live from our nation's capital in ottawa thank you for watching see you again