Stand on Guard with David Krayden - It's the ＂End of the CFIA＂： Veterinarian Speaks Out ｜ Stand on Guard

00:00:00.000 I'll see you next time.

00:00:30.000 I'll see you next time.

00:01:00.000 Some incredibly important research.

00:01:01.920 And he's angry as hell over what happened a week ago at Universal Ostrich Farms.

00:01:09.080 Yes, it's been a week.

00:01:10.880 We'll be right back with more.

00:01:12.300 The Prime Minister lied and his minions continue to lie.

00:01:20.800 Your home is your castle.

00:01:23.980 We're calling on the government to introduce and immediately pass the Stand on Guard Law.

00:01:29.520 But we also need a resolve to resist.

00:01:41.120 We'll do it live.

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00:01:45.840 I'll write it and we'll do it live.

00:01:47.860 This is going to be fascinating.

00:01:55.240 And I guarantee you, tell your friends and family about this interview.

00:02:01.020 It's incredible.

00:02:01.880 Because the experts are coming forth.

00:02:04.680 The real experts are coming forth and saying what happened at Universal Ostrich Farms to Katie, her family, is outrageous.

00:02:14.580 He calls it a gong show in this interview. 0.98

00:02:18.400 He says it was just incredibly inept and incompetent. 0.92

00:02:22.280 Not only the so-called culling, the massacre of these birds, which he calls inhumane. 0.99

00:02:27.820 But the aftermath has been incredibly sloppy and, once again, inept and incompetently led, obviously.

00:02:38.200 So without further ado, I'm going to show this interview.

00:02:40.380 Stay tuned till the very end of this broadcast because we've got a treat for you.

00:02:46.760 Well, it's a bittersweet treat.

00:02:48.840 It's a new video, and it's a sad salute to those ostriches that were once happy and roaming the fields and that were killed unnecessarily by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency.

00:03:02.100 But here we go with our interview.

00:03:06.120 Thanks for having me.

00:03:06.940 And if you're tuning in to stand on guard this morning, my guest is veterinarian, Dr. Jeff Wilson.

00:03:13.780 And he's the founder of the Natural Poultry Network, and we're going to be learning a bit about that and his opinion about the recent massacre of hundreds of ostriches at Universal Ostrich Farms in Edgewood, B.C., from his perspective as an expert, as a veterinarian.

00:03:32.000 And so, Jeff, to start off, I just want if you could fill us in on what is the Natural Poultry Network?

00:03:37.800 I know you recently published this article in the Canadian Poultry Network, and very interesting.

00:03:46.420 Could you just recap for the audience this morning?

00:03:49.360 What exactly are the objectives of the National Poultry Network?

00:03:56.580 Yeah, absolutely.

00:03:57.740 Absolutely.

00:04:00.180 And with all this stuff, there's a lot of moving parts, right?

00:04:04.900 So to understand the context, as part of our work, so I run a company called Novometrics Research, which is a social enterprise.

00:04:16.520 We're a for-profit company, but we work to help change things in the world, and one of them has been this avian influenza situation.

00:04:25.100 So a few years ago, we had already been working in a bunch of other networks, so things like the Honeybee Network, trying to sort out things like colony decline, and we'd worked in the Antibiotic Resistance Network and so on.

00:04:39.800 And we were getting some good traction on this.

00:04:42.320 We had developed a process called Community Network Integration, or CNI, which basically brings networks together to solve wicked problems.

00:04:50.720 So I've worked a lot in the Poultry Network.

00:04:56.940 One of my doctorates is in poultry pathology.

00:04:59.660 Our company has worked extensively in the poultry industry globally over the years.

00:05:03.920 And so I started, I could see there were a bunch of issues in the poultry industry in Canada and globally that needed fixing.

00:05:18.480 The fundamental problem in all of these wicked problems is, it doesn't matter whether it's homelessness, rather, or avian influenza, or what have you.

00:05:28.020 And we live in a world which is highly siloed, so people don't talk to each other, they don't collaborate well together across networks.

00:05:38.880 And as a result, it's very hard to get solutions going, because we're now dealing with complex problems.

00:05:46.960 In public health, people say the easy problems have been solved, so we chlorinated the water, right, stuff like that.

00:05:52.820 But now these are highly complex problems that involve all sorts of stakeholders and so on.

00:05:58.200 So I started talking to my colleagues in the Poultry Network, and they said, yeah, this is a good idea to start bringing all these pieces together.

00:06:08.880 And so we started a network of stakeholders across Canada, people, some poultry farmers, some people in the supply industry like pharma, some members of the public.

00:06:25.680 I actually had a, and still do have a lady who's senior within CFIA, and we created a thing called the National Poultry Network, which to my knowledge is the first poultry enterprise in Canada to begin to bring all these different parts together.

00:06:45.400 So that's what it is, and pretty soon, once you start doing this, and you have a good process, you start getting more people interested, you start doing things, creating a data framework.

00:06:57.200 So we started to talk to people in the industry about what was happening with avian influenza.

00:07:06.760 Then we did a comprehensive review of all the literature related to this, and we discovered that the response to avian influenza in Canada, and this will be no surprise to your listeners, is utterly chaotic.

00:07:23.200 And so now with that, that network is expanding out, and there are many, many projects happening now, and the ostrich situation has been one of the intersection points.

00:07:38.860 I don't know if that helps, David, or not.

00:07:40.780 Oh, absolutely, Jeff.

00:07:43.600 That's video here, as we focus on the massacre, the killing, the culling, as the CFIA wanted to term it, at the ostrich farm, this video footage still shocks people.

00:08:13.600 So, of course, I think that prompts a number of questions, but my first one.

00:08:36.980 And so this was a week ago, literally a week ago.

00:08:40.620 This is how Katie Pasitne and the family woke up Friday morning.

00:08:48.380 They saw this horror scene in the ostrich pen.

00:08:54.260 And as we learned afterwards, some of the birds weren't quite dead.

00:08:59.600 They were twitching, and they had to finish them off.

00:09:04.220 But was this shooting, and apparently they expended over 1,000 or at least 1,000 rounds into perhaps 300 ostriches.

00:09:15.260 We never really found out how many were left.

00:09:17.340 The Canadian Food Inspection Agency refuses to be specific about numbers, just as it refused to test or allow anybody to count the birds, even count the birds.

00:09:30.360 But was the shooting of these ostriches multiple times a humane way of killing them?

00:09:37.780 Well, so no. 0.71

00:09:39.260 And it makes no sense whatsoever.

00:09:42.440 I personally, it's not like I haven't been involved in killing animals, humanely euthanizing animals.

00:09:51.220 I'm a veterinarian, right?

00:09:52.400 So I've been on farms having to, I've been in, I was a small animal vet where I started.

00:09:58.440 I had to euthanize lots of dogs and cats.

00:10:01.160 I've been involved in research studies where we had to euthanize lots of chickens.

00:10:08.900 But this is utterly incoherent.

00:10:14.180 This is not how you euthanize animals.

00:10:18.920 It's, yeah, it really, I'm like a lot of people, I can't, it's so outrageous, I can't even still believe that anything so incompetent would happen.

00:10:30.980 But anyway, well, it's interesting too, the aftermath has been just as controversial as the occupation of the farm and the killing of the ostriches a week ago.

00:10:43.620 And a little bit of this video here, because this, how's that technique, anyway?

00:10:49.780 You look like you're doing all right.

00:10:52.380 I'm not sure about the, uh, the whole virus side of things.

00:10:59.580 The what, right?

00:11:00.780 The whole virus side of things.

00:11:03.760 You brought it straight out of the hot zone.

00:11:05.660 The so-called hot zone.

00:11:08.840 No, no, it's just the hay that was behind it.

00:11:12.920 Trust me, I ask.

00:11:15.060 So why are those hay bales all knocked over at the back there?

00:11:18.320 I'm not sure when they can do anything.

00:11:22.100 I'm not sure when they can do anything.

00:11:25.080 I don't know.

00:11:26.640 It's animated 317, bro.

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00:11:52.600 Hey, listen.

00:11:57.520 Uh-huh.

00:11:58.060 okay that's the scene i wanted to capture because here's the rcmp using a pitchfork

00:12:18.460 to spread this hay that has been contaminated with bird debris bird blood

00:12:23.500 they're they're not even wearing gloves these they're bare hands there's no ppe there's certainly 0.97

00:12:30.300 no hazmat suits and one a couple of minutes later in this video there's a there's a few two bystanders

00:12:37.900 watching this i think one of them might be the one filming it actually and the rcmp joked about hey you

00:12:43.180 dudes want a hazmat suit so they're they're they're absolutely not taking this seriously

00:12:49.580 they never wore any protective gear throughout the whole operation the cfia spent about 48 hours

00:12:56.700 without hazmat suits when they first arrived and it's almost like they remembered whoops

00:13:01.180 forgot the costumes we've got to make this look good but is is this the way that this site was

00:13:07.660 so-called cleaned up with the rcmp spreading hay all over the place with pitchforks and they literally

00:13:14.460 dumped this hay all over the farm just to add insult to injury to almost intentionally contaminate the

00:13:23.180 the property but is this the usual way that the canadian food inspection agency completes what they

00:13:29.900 would call a biocontainment operation or so is this unique um so there's kind of two parts to that

00:13:41.740 like is this is this proper practice and is this what cfi normally does so i i know it's it's absolutely

00:13:49.660 not proper practice um i suspect it's not what cfia does in commercial poultry farms i mean i haven't

00:13:59.900 seen one of those operations but um uh it's certainly not it certainly has nothing to do with bile

00:14:08.620 containment so so um uh give me a sec here i have to recover so the so um even if you even if you

00:14:20.540 believe that these birds were were shedding avian influenza in any significant amount which i'm you

00:14:27.180 know i i i'm sure you know the evidence strongly suspects they're not because almost certainly they had

00:14:34.700 herd immunity right but even um uh if they did if they if they did uh have this it it makes no sense

00:14:44.300 whatsoever to be doing this as a avian influenza biocontainment response um if you accept what is

00:14:53.820 probably going on i.e that they were not shedding virus there are all sorts of other um poultry you know

00:15:02.380 and ostrich pathogens around other than avian influenza which these birds might be shedding and and virtually

00:15:13.020 all poultry and birds shed normally um uh zoonotic pathogens that is you know bacteria and so on that can

00:15:25.660 infect people like they're loaded with salmonella and campylobacter and just normally right that's why

00:15:32.300 you don't eat raw chicken so by any measure no it's i can i go i don't think it's anything other than

00:15:41.580 utter incompetence or utter incompetence or like you're suggesting and i can't prove it but um deliberately

00:15:49.980 trying to provoke who knows but it's definitely not competent in the extreme especially in this

00:15:57.820 situation well clearly the cfia and the rcmp did not believe that these birds had avian influenza or

00:16:05.340 they would not have been working in in this manner so they can't have it both ways either the birds had

00:16:13.420 avian influenza and this was a utterly incompetent sloppy exercise or the birds did not have avian

00:16:19.740 influenza and this proves it again but as you said avian influenza aside i don't think you want to be

00:16:30.300 working with animal parts like this spreading blood and debris around the farm handling it literally with

00:16:37.100 with bare hands with a pitchfork this is not a safe practice so i mean we would have to term

00:16:43.260 this as a sloppy and unsafe and particularly for i mean it's one thing if you're working on a farm and

00:16:50.220 you're regularly exposed to um two things like salmonella and camp but uh uh arguably you have

00:16:58.140 um you know you will have built up likely a high degree of immunity but not not likely um uh police

00:17:06.460 officers i'm sorry for laughing david i've been told not to laugh but it's partly

00:17:13.100 it's laugh or cry and and partly it's um i think it helps to let people know no this is this is like

00:17:21.980 this is the gong show is what you're watching and many people in public health have said it's a gong show

00:17:27.740 so anyway i apologize oh no i agree with you either you laugh or you cry i woke up last friday morning and

00:17:35.980 i did cry yeah sometimes i cry i do because it was utterly tragic yeah and and watching these majestic

00:17:43.980 birds definitely run around that field twirling obviously healthy and happy this was completely

00:17:52.780 sadistic completely unnecessary totally and it it is it is tragic and it does it's brought a lot of us to

00:18:00.460 tears to see how this organization is off the rails and and is is running rogue yeah but you have been

00:18:07.500 a critic of the stamping out policy which i found out goes back quite a few years in canada actually

00:18:12.700 goes back to the harper uh prime years and when he was prime minister and it's never really been

00:18:19.100 challenged and the the talking points you get from the cfia are well we're just following the guidelines

00:18:26.780 and rules of the world health organization and the world organization for animal health

00:18:32.860 however when you actually look that up and and and these are not organizations i'm usually very

00:18:40.140 sympathetic towards i don't really like globalist entities making policy in canada which is of course

00:18:48.140 what they do but even the world organization for animal health is saying no stamping out is not a

00:18:55.500 rational policy try quarantine and if if the animals develop the herd immunity then stamping out is

00:19:05.180 not necessary it's like the cfi is stuck in a time warp totally where this this was a conceivably viable

00:19:12.460 policy i guess at one time but clearly it's not anymore we've lost tens of millions of chickens in

00:19:19.020 canada as i'm i know you are aware it's driving up the price of poultry the price of eggs

00:19:25.100 these ostriches were not being used for food they were not being exported to the united states or

00:19:30.860 anywhere else no but yet we continue this insane policy until every last bird will be dead in canada

00:19:37.980 based on the fact that well they might contract avian influenza and we can't have that might as well

00:19:44.300 kill them all so that won't that won't happen even though that's the natural process of animals developing

00:19:51.820 immunity without mass vaccination programs and without mass culling programs that are literally 0.99

00:19:58.540 exterminating every last domesticated bird in canada and they'll start on the wild ones next of course

00:20:05.820 and canada geese are on the chopping block as well but why is stamping out such an irrational policy at

00:20:12.220 this point well so and and uh it's another one of these things with some moving parts so so um actually

00:20:19.980 there are like you've alluded to david there are definitely uh situations in which coke so-called

00:20:27.660 stamping out that is proper testing and and slaughter under a proper outbreak response

00:20:37.100 um system using what we call the pillars of outbreak response which we can talk with you

00:20:43.340 there there there are definitely contexts and so that makes sense so so uh it's now quite a few years

00:20:51.980 ago but but uh in canada we did have for example in cattle um bovine tuberculosis and brucellosis both

00:21:03.660 zoonotic infections which are very very bad human infections and at that time i believe it would have

00:21:11.180 been ag canada it was before cfi would have even been conceived um canada and the u.s and the uk and

00:21:20.780 and other countries recognizing this as a problem uh realized that they had to do something about and

00:21:28.860 and in that context they they went in and they they depopulated entire herds of cattle in canada

00:21:37.740 but it was different because the bacteria involved were ones which were were not circulating

00:21:47.580 on mass in wild populations that was one of the big things so if you have a a bug that's in wild

00:21:55.340 populations um and is a source to uh animals stamping out on you know all things being equal is not just

00:22:07.420 this doesn't make sense you you can't control it and and that's what's happened with um avian influenza

00:22:14.780 it's of course in wild populations you kill a whole sorry for the you know the end graphic but you you

00:22:23.580 euthanize barn after barn and millions of chickens well it deals with those but then the next ones just

00:22:29.980 get reinfected by a um a canada goose droppings or a sparrow or whatever it happens to be so it makes

00:22:39.820 no biological sense and not only that as people have said we're now apparently in our 11th year

00:22:48.300 of doing this staffing out for um for avian influenza it's clearly not working just you know look at the

00:22:55.340 evidence and there's no biological reason to think it would work and so it's it's another part of the

00:23:02.940 incoherence of cfia unfortunately with cfia literally built into their mandate they have no mandate

00:23:10.300 to do outbreak response for anything as universally understood they have a mandate to test what they want

00:23:20.060 kill what they want and um uh none of it is coherent none of it's coherent they don't have 0.56

00:23:31.500 they they literally don't have a mandate to um come in and figure out what's actually causing a given

00:23:39.180 outbreak and what to do about every single outbreak as they define it by their choice

00:23:45.900 every one of them is a nail and they got they got one hammer stamping out as i see it i i and i've

00:23:55.660 talked i've talked with the chief veterinarian for canada and the deputy chief veterinarian for canada

00:24:01.340 i've talked with howard new who's the acting chief public health officer it's utterly incoherent and

00:24:10.140 they're kind of looking for a lifeline but they have no idea what to do despite the fact that

00:24:15.820 we've told them what to do anyway sorry for hopefully your listeners can understand why i'm

00:24:23.580 laughing it's it's it's theater of the absurd and had it not had such a tragic ending totally i think

00:24:31.340 we would be laughing because this was yeah as you said a gong show the gong show these cfia agents or

00:24:37.660 inspectors whatever you want to call them yes did not seem to have any cognizance of animal health

00:24:44.460 or welfare when they were challenged by other people on the farm including a vet one veterinarian

00:24:50.700 was allowed access that was a friend of the of katie and her family yeah and he challenged them on a

00:24:58.220 number of issues and they did not seem to have the vaguest idea of what a veterinary health animal health

00:25:05.340 and what they were doing there except waiting to kill them yeah and at the time of course they were

00:25:11.260 literally chasing the ostriches around with lassoes we have video evidence of that they were harassing

00:25:17.420 them they were at times uh punching and kicking at the ostriches they were exercising incredibly raw

00:25:26.220 animal cruelty and they got away with it not a single word from the rcmp no charges have been laid and i

00:25:33.420 don't believe any charges will be laid and this is this has been absolutely outrageous but and the

00:25:41.820 aftermath of course it was all about the cfia ensuring no tissue samples were taken which has the the cfia

00:25:51.660 pulled up stakes yesterday actually with the rcmp left the farm it's still quarantined it looks like

00:25:57.420 a disaster area which of course is exactly what it is totally but the cfi is claiming yesterday in a in

00:26:06.220 a in an article i read in the i think it was castanet which is a western canadian publication and they

00:26:13.500 actually said that everybody went through uh how do they sterilization when they left the farm every day

00:26:23.660 absolute nonsense because all of the bystanders said there was nothing like that going on

00:26:29.740 but then they had the the nerve to say that all of the ostriches have been disposed up

00:26:35.420 and they're in what they call deep burial sorry when did that happen because we have people right now

00:26:43.500 at the surrey super safe who say these ostriches are still there in the parking lot so i do you think

00:26:51.660 these do you think they've actually disposed of these birds or not well again so so i can't know for

00:26:59.100 sure and my thing is what one in my role right as a scientist and also as someone now leading proper

00:27:06.620 outbreak response things i say i i have to base them on on evidence right so so i

00:27:13.500 i have definitely heard this uh second hand right um so i don't so i don't know i've heard it multiple

00:27:22.860 times um i think uh to get to the bottom of this and find out where these birds are now and uh you know

00:27:32.860 document that if possible and if if legal get samples of those birds what they should all should happen with

00:27:42.460 those birds at this point now is they should um be subjected to a forensic autopsy right so they

00:27:51.260 should be properly autopsied um and the prop although they've been decomposing there are still tests that

00:28:00.860 could be done that would help to clarify whether they were shedding virus or not it's not nearly as good

00:28:06.620 as being you know fresh but it's still possible so if there's a way to do that uh that would be good

00:28:15.180 actually that would be good certainly makes no absolutely no sense the sitting sitting rotting

00:28:22.780 in a dumpster in a in a strip mall parking lot i mean uh what about homeless people or anybody

00:28:31.980 reaching in and grabbing them and touching them they're they're almost certainly loaded with

00:28:35.420 salmonella and campylobacter at the very least by it well that's well you know if the cfia

00:28:42.300 wanted to create a public health crisis they've certainly done that by if if this is in fact true

00:28:48.860 and we're hearing numerous reports about about this i'd be very interested uh and yeah no well well

00:28:55.740 certainly this is yeah this is not a very healthy situation i yesterday i was talking to somebody

00:29:02.140 close to the operation and they said that there are rats and mice running around obviously this sort

00:29:08.460 of thing that does attract these kind of rodents and it's it's just completely pervasively unhealthy

00:29:16.140 everything about this well it's just it's just it's morbid it's beyond incompetence it's it's morbid right

00:29:23.180 it's just egregious to do this kind of thing there's that there's no excuse for this in any context

00:29:31.820 especially people getting millions of dollars from the federal government to to run this kind of stuff

00:29:36.860 so yeah well of course that was another aspect to this operation that people found absolutely astounding

00:29:44.700 uh mutual friend uh former ag minister jerry ritz was on my show a couple of weeks ago and we we

00:29:53.980 discussed this and i said jerry what do you estimate this is costing every day and he said well at least

00:30:01.180 a hundred thousand yeah yeah he he might have been conservative in his estimate but this was a hugely

00:30:07.660 expensive occupation unnecessary occupation of this farm and i think they've done everything that they

00:30:14.540 possibly could to ruin the farm and the live the livelihood of these farmers which is why i'm

00:30:21.660 encouraging them to do whatever they need to do to recoup their losses and to write into fundraise at this

00:30:27.500 crucial time this should not have happened to them so well and i think part of this speaks to the

00:30:35.180 incompetence and and i think the um

00:30:38.860 um overreach and really just power grab right uh and and what it's like power corrupts right and uh

00:30:50.620 i think that's pretty clear what's happening um and i think cfia you know it's been a long time in the

00:30:58.380 making uh they got away with it with the commercial poultry industry the commercial poultry industry is much

00:31:05.180 easier to control by cfi and federal government and self-control i know lots of people in the commercial

00:31:11.820 poultry industry i love the poultry industry i know it sounds weird but i've worked in it for years

00:31:16.860 but they're controlled because um uh cfia holds a lot of power over the industry and can cause serious grief

00:31:25.660 uh the duck and geese industry in in um in uh bc uh they went through the same kind of depopulation stuff

00:31:36.620 uh and had lawsuits against cfia or or sorry i i think like the ostrich farm they stood up against but

00:31:43.740 they lost but i have a feeling when they took on katie and karen and dave they took on something they

00:31:51.740 don't know what they've got here i don't i personally i don't see how cfia can survive this

00:31:57.900 personally but they're not going down without a fight that's that's interesting because katie of

00:32:05.580 course is uh vowing to continue to fight the cfia's methods and the cfia's as an organization and to do 0.89

00:32:13.420 whatever she can to help other farmers and other farmers and she's calling this uh a voice for farmers

00:32:19.420 yeah i don't think well and sorry i was going to say so we've we did a detailed analysis of what cfia

00:32:28.060 has done by interviewing stakeholders under a formal you know academic process and a literature review

00:32:36.140 um i can tell you what cfia is doing this this um incompetence and and lack of understanding of

00:32:45.100 outbreak response and actually not even having a mandate to the outbreak response and stamping out

00:32:49.820 in the absence of proper outbreak response it's not just chickens it's it's all animal species in

00:32:57.820 canada that they're that they're dealing with it's all plant species in canada it's uh all of their

00:33:04.380 antibody antimicrobial resistance programs which which speaks directly to human health so uh it's it's broken

00:33:13.740 if cfia would simply if senior management it's not it's not the operational people it's senior

00:33:19.660 management if senior manager would simply come to the table and and we've asked them and start

00:33:24.540 discussing how can we do this better this could all be resolved honestly if they understood what was

00:33:33.260 going on and were willing to act in good faith we could resolve this at a high level in about an hour

00:33:40.380 and then put in place the proper systems but they just refuse to listen yeah that is so indicative of

00:33:50.780 this arrogance in this organization because they refuse to be questioned i sent them literally 13 questions

00:34:00.140 a couple of days before the massacre occurred on the farm and they sent me their latest news release

00:34:08.780 i did not even bother to answer a single question i have had no luck at all contacting their flack

00:34:18.780 as we say in the business their their public relations person nobody wants to answer the phone nobody wants

00:34:24.940 to talk to reporters certainly if you're not in the pocket of this they don't want to and this has been

00:34:33.580 the arrogance of this organization and i think this is what has really infuriated katie and her family

00:34:39.580 is that they they would not even talk to them during this whole procedure they they had to deal with us

00:34:45.660 with the police liaison officer or send emails to the ottawa headquarters which of course they never even

00:34:54.620 responded to and it was just like we're here and we're going to stay and we're going to do our

00:34:59.740 our killing whether you like it or not or no matter how canadians feel about this but from what you're

00:35:05.820 saying sounds like you're optimistic that the this could be the beginning of the end of this cfia as it

00:35:13.500 is anyway and that we might see something rebuilt or at least some reforms coming through i mean they they

00:35:20.060 can't possibly walk away from this i i don't think so it sounds like you don't think so either i i don't

00:35:26.300 i don't think so like i don't have a crystal ball right but um but i don't think i don't think cfia can

00:35:33.900 can survive this and um uh particularly as you know the public starts to see what's going on and

00:35:41.980 as the public starts to see credentialed scientists and others you know economists and everybody else

00:35:48.460 coming forward and showing the the evidence of what's going on uh i don't think they can i don't

00:35:56.380 think they can survive and i think um like when i was talking to jerry ritz um he said if if he had

00:36:03.820 been uh and i i don't uh have a particular uh political leaning to the conservatives just so you know

00:36:10.940 i i i found them very very helpful in all of this avian influenza stuff um but uh uh his feeling was

00:36:20.620 if he if this had happened when he was minister he would just uh brought in the head of cfia and say

00:36:26.140 stop this or you're fired and and i know when i was working with the public health agency that's

00:36:30.940 what happened to me if i had done something on the human health side like this so i don't think

00:36:36.940 i don't think they can survive and um i can tell you also people in the poultry industry

00:36:44.380 now in the commercial poultry they're all they're starting to step forward and there's some in

00:36:49.340 particular uh i can tell you that the um the industry the poultry industry in bc although they

00:36:56.620 although they um naturally and i don't i'm not speaking on their behalf right then so if they're

00:37:02.860 listening i'm not trying to put words in your mouth but uh what they've been doing is now putting

00:37:10.620 in proper outbreak response under what we call the pillars of outbreak response so one of the things

00:37:18.060 they've done is um part of the part of the proper way to deal with this and it's a matrix of things

00:37:24.780 right it's not just one thing it's not just one vaccine or one stamping out it's a whole matrix of

00:37:30.860 things that have to be done and a lot of them have to be worked through but one of them is um better

00:37:37.020 biosecurity and uh our group has been working on this as well a really uh you know intelligent way to

00:37:44.860 be looking at this is using ultraviolet light within poultry barns to disinfect air and and surfaces well

00:37:52.780 well the uh the um bc um government gave the poultry industry two million dollars to begin

00:38:04.060 researching putting these ultra putting ultraviolet light into poultry barns in b in bc um i connected

00:38:12.700 with them because we part of our thing is connecting people together so we're we're doing similar stuff

00:38:17.180 here in ontario i connected to them they're very interested in working with us they said oh the

00:38:22.780 lead of this is the um bc government uh you should talk to the um to the chief veterinarian for bc she's

00:38:32.780 leading well so at the provincial level and that's also what we've seen in ontario uh at the provincial

00:38:40.460 level what we're doing is you know bringing people together and proper ever response has been

00:38:45.900 very much embraced by the uh provincial government in fact uh the the the lady who's one of the key

00:38:52.380 people in you know mafra that's the ontario ministry of agriculture she's on our leadership team and 0.92

00:38:59.260 helping you know we're collaborating to get this uv light stuff into into ontario barns that article that

00:39:06.380 you you showed uh from canadian poultry magazine the um the provincial government uh published

00:39:15.500 essentially you know a formal version of that in their in their official animal health newsletter for

00:39:24.940 ontario so at the provincial level we're seeing people doing that doing the right thing it's just

00:39:32.220 at the federal level and it's at the it's at the senior management level federal i i don't even i mean

00:39:38.780 i know lots of people i know some people in omath i or sorry in cfa i don't know a lot of them but

00:39:45.500 i've talked to some of them and i've watched what's going on uh i think it's this is a clear thing of

00:39:53.420 when there's it all starts at the top if you've got people who are in incompetent at the top it goes

00:40:00.460 right through the whole art organization uh fix that uh you can you know there may be some people

00:40:07.660 who are deranged who actually like shooting ostriches they're probably not the people you want

00:40:13.100 euthanizing animals so with the proper leadership the top of course you do a full human resources audit

00:40:21.420 right and and a intervention audit and you would and then you would fix the system so i honestly don't

00:40:27.980 think it's that that hard and i think it's really important for for listeners to this kind of program

00:40:34.300 to realize that's likely where we want to go we want to bring all the people together of canada

00:40:39.820 including people working in cfia who know what's going on bring them together start creating

00:40:45.420 alternatives that work and i can talk about that like like what they're doing in bc and that will

00:40:51.580 show people no we're not just about pointing fingers we're not just about saying hey this won't

00:40:55.740 work we're saying here's what will work and we're doing it be part of it and then show people a

00:41:03.020 system that works that i think that's the solution that's what this i sent you that thing last night

00:41:08.380 about the canadian outbreak response integrative network that's what that is doing corin yes and

00:41:13.180 that uh that paper in your abstract will be in the description so people can access it yeah i know you're

00:41:19.740 also uh adjunct or an associate professor at the university of wealth and you're doing some

00:41:24.860 tremendous academic work there excuse me all my best i want to want to thank you for your time i know

00:41:30.700 you're you're going to be spending it with your family today have a wonderful day dr wilson and thank

00:41:36.140 you for joining me and i'm sure we'll be in touch again this this has been an incredible and a very

00:41:41.820 invaluable interview and i and i thank you for your time today and godspeed and well again thank you to

00:41:49.740 you david and your listeners like this it's all about actually organizing coherently now like we go

00:41:55.500 through a period of grieving and anger and then we organize nationally not with the objective of getting

00:42:03.100 rid of cfia but of primarily not it's not about it's building a proper system and then cfia they'll

00:42:09.980 simply dissolve as people start to see what's going on anyway i appreciate your time uh david thank

00:42:15.740 you well thank you thank you dr wilson and we'll as i say bye for now and we will stay in touch awesome

00:42:22.380 thank you thank you bye

00:42:28.460 and that of course was dr wilson veterinarian who fantastic jeff wilson have fantastic interview i really

00:42:36.700 really enjoyed that i'm sure a lot of you did too and just in case you're wondering you know

00:42:43.820 so what he's been working on some complaints and evidence about cfi and rcmp and super safe biosecurity

00:42:50.540 labs to this department and this will be in the description as well because this we need to report

00:42:59.260 what's going on here and there's a growing evidence that this has been not just incompetent but sinister

00:43:06.700 and we're going to be continuing to push back on the cfia now i promised you that video at the very

00:43:14.620 end here but first this the rcmp just like ceases has been bothering people you know this is a better

00:43:25.740 way this is the dr jeff wilson's work here and this will be in the description this is what we're talking

00:43:31.900 about he's proposing sanity and as he pointed out several times the cfia is just going to disappear

00:43:39.580 it cannot survive what's been happening here cannot survive so

00:43:46.540 you know encourage you to read this but this is an incredible

00:43:51.900 bit of tape here you might remember we had blake roberts on the show he's a

00:44:00.780 real estate guy in colonna who did a heck of a lot of good work for the freedom

00:44:04.780 sorry for the freedom convoy 2.0 for the universal ostrich farms during the last six months eight months

00:44:13.420 he was always there did a lot of footwork and he's being harassed he just got back from a trip

00:44:19.340 to mexico and some people suggested he was fleeing the country no he it was a scheduled trip he was

00:44:24.780 going to take a vacation and he he's back now and look what he came back to

00:44:29.580 not a problem at all yeah blake did like i was trying to clarify the information i gave you um

00:44:39.740 so i'm happy to do that once you get the thing recorded okay i've got it recorded can you identify

00:44:44.220 yourself sir first sorry and i'm not trying to be difficult but uh i just want to let everybody

00:44:48.780 know that's hearing this um yeah okay go ahead go ahead yeah my name is constable dunhill with the

00:44:54.620 colonel rc and i'm following up on an assist file from saskatchewan police thank you that question

00:45:02.220 one of what have i been accused of sir so you you blake were named as one of uh a group of individuals

00:45:12.460 that were making online posts your specific post um that was uh that was relayed in a message to me

00:45:19.500 um was that there was information relating to a specific officer whose name phone number email

00:45:26.060 address and business address were shared with the node to make the sob famous um that's the information

00:45:32.620 that was provided to clone rcmp that uh that they that was uh posted from your facebook account the

00:45:39.020 information i was given okay well five minutes ago that's not what you said no no five minutes ago what i

00:45:45.980 what i said was there was information from the group of people that were making specific posts

00:45:51.500 and i was explaining what that what those posts were i didn't get a chance to tell you what your

00:45:55.900 specific account said because you said you didn't want to continue the conversation until you could

00:45:59.500 record you told me once no you you told me that i was accused of something you can you just repeat

00:46:05.500 what you know i said you were you were accused of online activity right online activity was what i

00:46:11.740 specifically said you were accused for um that had that had been presented to us these specific

00:46:17.180 things that i said earlier were in relation to other individuals you didn't give me a chance to tell

00:46:23.820 you what was actually posted from your account which is what i've just clarified now that's not what you

00:46:29.180 said sir you said i was accused of something so i said i've got to stop the conversation okay so like

00:46:34.300 like ultimately i'm not going to dispute what you heard and what i said uh on like on like on our

00:46:40.060 previous call ultimately what i just told you and what you are now recording is exactly the information

00:46:46.620 that has been delivered to me and what i was following up on so ultimately if you if your

00:46:52.860 facebook account was used to share information relating to a cfia officer um that is that like

00:46:58.140 that is something you shouldn't be doing um and that is and that would be why saskatoon contacted us

00:47:03.420 and asked us to caution you about that type of behavior moving forward because if that type of behavior

00:47:07.580 continues that can lead towards critically that can lead to criminal charges now this is not this is

00:47:13.100 not coming from the corner cmp we are just relating the request to you because ultimately you are a

00:47:17.580 resident of colonna which is why the request came to us they didn't know and i definitely didn't know

00:47:21.420 because i went to your house earlier uh that you were literally out of country at the time

00:47:26.220 yes i noticed from my doorbell family two rcmp officers two tweezers came to my house yep that's correct

00:47:32.380 yeah yeah myself and a partner went went to went to the address uh before i before i texted you yet

00:47:37.260 exactly two cruisers yeah yeah separate cruisers that's right yeah yeah and but just again what did

00:47:46.380 you say somebody was okay if you're not saying that i was accused of what you said something on the first

00:47:51.420 phone call that somebody was accused of then yeah yeah so there was an online activity related to the

00:47:58.540 same cfia officer that had like that had presented threats directly to his family members to his home

00:48:05.900 um and uh like and ultimately trying to essentially coordinate uh locals um to uh to assist with with

00:48:13.500 those activities what exactly did you say can i ask that again well again like ultimate like ultimately

00:48:21.500 blake those comments were made by your accounts um so i like i'm not going to specifically say to state

00:48:26.380 that again i was trying to provide you context for the call but i like now that we're specifically

00:48:31.260 talking especially on the record with your recording and i'm having conversation with you

00:48:35.340 conversation with you about what was what was posted on your account that's been relayed to us

00:48:40.460 that is what i'm going to disclose well you you said to me 10 minutes ago you referred to online

00:48:47.420 threats of gang raping somebody's wife let's be sure that is what you said to me 1.00

00:48:51.500 would you agree that that's is what you said

00:49:00.620 no did is that what you did say you can hear me sorry that what you said is that what you said in

00:49:07.180 the phone call that that there was threats made by somebody to gang rape somebody's wife

00:49:11.820 that is information that was presented to you before yes okay thank you okay but that was not

00:49:18.540 but that information was not presented that it came from your direct account it was in relation to a

00:49:24.140 group of individuals making online posts your specific one like i said i didn't have a chance to

00:49:29.820 actually tell you what it was because you said you wanted to conclude the call again to make sure that

00:49:33.580 it could be audio recorded okay and again what was my specific again can you repeat that sorry

00:49:39.660 and i'm not trying to be difficult i know you've seen your job but yeah of course no no it's okay

00:49:44.780 it's okay blake so uh the information that was presented in the message directly from saskatchewa or

00:49:52.380 um that's the service was that your facebook account shared um an individual's name their phone number

00:50:01.820 email address and business address with a note make the sob famous that's the information that i

00:50:07.660 was given that was sent to you by your specific facebook account now can you confirm that that

00:50:12.300 was sent by your account i that i something similar that might have happened um but it was a business

00:50:17.820 account not a home not a home address so excuse me a business address not a home address cfia offices are

00:50:25.820 i assumed public wasn't i would never share somebody's home address okay we're ticketing

00:50:31.660 we're picking cif cfia offices all over the place his business cell number i would assume is

00:50:38.380 business um so i guess if i'm going to be charged with that um i don't know as i mentioned on the

00:50:46.460 call earlier before blake i'm calling you just to caution you on the behavior there there has been

00:50:51.420 no information presented to me that it like charges are being investigated this time um ultimately i'm

00:50:57.900 just here to relay the information okay there is no there is no information was given to me that

00:51:05.900 that there is currently charges being investigated the expectation was that like that you would be

00:51:10.700 warned about the behavior and that ultimately if there was future behavior that contained along that

00:51:16.460 vein there could be arrested of criminal charges but nothing so far has been has been notified by us

00:51:22.140 okay um i have been very vocal on facebook with officers while i was at the farm i'm just going to say

00:51:32.700 something and it's it's not meant as a personal attack on you um officer um i vote as a citizen who

00:51:44.380 has always put trust in our national police force um i have to say how utterly disappointed i am that the

00:51:54.940 national peace force was there the fact that um our citizens were essentially in my opinion attacked by

00:52:02.380 our national peace force that i no longer consider the royal canadian mounted police i consider the

00:52:06.700 government of canada mounted police i don't trust the agency nothing gets used here again i want to stress

00:52:13.820 that i know you guys are in a tough spot um and i think your hierarchy has put you in a in a horrible

00:52:21.260 spot where people like me that are normally law-biding citizens no longer plus their police force so i don't

00:52:28.700 envy position you're in so thanks for listening there nothing personal yeah of course of course thank you sir

00:52:38.300 okay blake yes absolutely well blake uh i relay the information that i believe that you that you need

00:52:44.540 at this point do you have any other questions for me no i don't thank you so what was all that about

00:52:52.060 well intimidation harassment threats he wasn't charged with anything you really think blake roberts would

00:52:59.580 be putting out what they described and i i hesitate to repeat it because it's nonsense

00:53:04.940 blake was very critical of the rcmp and the cfia but they are so ready to accuse people of doxing

00:53:15.420 accuse people of harassment when that's what they're doing so blake i want to just play that whole thing

00:53:21.660 because i think it's important people hear it because it's going to be a lot of this going through social

00:53:27.580 media the next few days i saved the best for last this is our sad salute to those once happy ostriches

00:53:35.340 that ran and played and twirled on the fields of universal ostrich farms and this is my happy salute

00:53:44.140 if i can even say it that way to katie karen and dave for their courageous work

00:53:51.820 and pushing back against government overreach government tyranny they did a damn good job

00:53:59.820 they did they gave everything this is why we're gonna we're gonna support them and we need to give

00:54:06.300 everything now

00:54:22.140 oh the sun came up on a quiet day where the wind used to dance through a hundred gentle hands

00:54:31.180 our ostriches walking in the early daylight a family just trying to live life right when the cops rolled in

00:54:43.340 like a storm out east no care in their voices no mercy in their reach canada was lost when the first shot rang

00:54:54.780 a day this country we won't forget again

00:54:59.660 we stood there shaking couldn't believe our ears

00:55:05.660 stolen by cowards fear and our angels fell like tears on the ground

00:55:13.660 every feather fell made a thunderous sound

00:55:18.540 a nation watched while the law looked away the ones sworn to protect us

00:55:26.540 lost their way

00:55:28.540 our families were shot down

00:55:33.420 and all that's left are feathers and blood on the ground

00:55:37.420 we beg those men please this ain't right

00:55:46.300 but mercy wasn't something they had that night

00:55:50.300 their badges shine but their hearts were dull

00:55:56.300 trust died in canada from the cold

00:56:00.300 and the family cried out with hands on the fence watching dreams fall

00:56:06.540 the violence

00:56:07.180 no

00:56:09.180 no

00:56:11.180 no

00:56:15.180 no

00:56:17.180 no

00:56:19.180 no

00:56:21.180 no

00:56:23.180 no

00:56:25.180 no

00:56:27.180 no

00:56:29.180 no

00:56:56.060 no

00:56:58.060 but this land is stronger than the ones who did wrong

00:57:04.220 and we will rise and remain strong because our country's worth saving

00:57:10.620 it starts with us now saying never again we will never

00:57:16.700 we'll stand together

00:57:29.900 we'll stand together and bang our

00:57:35.340 we'll be broken but a new hope found we honor forever

00:57:41.500 we honor forever every feather on the ground

00:57:48.540 we're fighting for every farmer out there who is under our watch we will never ever let another farmer go

00:58:11.740 and that's katie's mission right now and she'll be on the show on monday to talk about her new mission which is a voice for farmers

00:58:24.940 uh

00:58:38.160 she's going to be fighting the cfia and supporting farmers everywhere in this country and that's where katie is going from here

00:58:43.500 and that's where katie is going from here and i am 100 with her and behind her and that song

00:58:49.900 that video is dedicated to katie her mom karen and dave bolinski who fought the good fight and

00:59:01.660 once again send complaints and evidence and we'll have this in the description don't stop

00:59:09.580 don't be cowed don't let injustice and tyranny triumph because all that's necessary for that

00:59:20.380 to happen is for good men and women to do nothing and we vow to do much

00:59:27.740 thank you for watching today i had difficulty holding back tears watching i i i shed a few

00:59:32.620 this morning when i first saw it all together those are very very poignant moments and thank

00:59:41.740 you so much for being a part of the show today i'm putting a sub stack together based on this

00:59:47.900 interview that will be out later today and of course doing a spot with rebel news at one o'clock i don't

00:59:57.180 think that's live i'm not sure when that's going to be aired but i'll let you know

00:59:59.740 and thank you for your support thank you for watching this show thank you for being there

01:00:05.340 during all of this and we'll be continuing to fight back

01:00:21.420 thank you for sharing this station with your friends and family thank you for hitting that like

01:00:25.420 button because i tell you we have we are fighting back in a way i've never had to before because

01:00:32.540 i'm going to keep this station on the air i'm going to keep fighting for freedom i'm going to keep

01:00:37.020 fighting for justice and truth and i am damn determined to resist this carny government in any

01:00:46.140 way possible as it encroaches upon our individual freedom and it will continue to do that mark my words

01:00:53.980 i'll be back again tomorrow same time same place 10 a.m this has been david creighton

01:01:03.580 broadcasting live from our nation's capital in ottawa thank you for watching see you again

01:01:11.580 and

01:01:24.140 you

01:01:24.800 and

01:01:25.180 you

01:01:26.100 you

01:01:26.720 Thank you.

Stand on Guard with David Krayden - November 15, 2025

It's the ＂End of the CFIA＂： Veterinarian Speaks Out ｜ Stand on Guard

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