Former MP Dan McTeague joins me on the show to talk about his time in the House of Commons and his thoughts on the new Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney. He also talks about some of his favourite Mark Carney clips.
00:00:00.000And something that my government is going to do is to use all of the powers of the federal government, including the emergency powers of the federal government, to accelerate the major projects that we need in order to build this economy and take on the Americans.
00:00:30.000Thank you for joining me this morning, folks.
00:00:49.640It's another episode of Stand on Guard.
00:00:51.680And when we come back, my guest this morning is former Member of Parliament Dan McTeague.
00:00:57.400We'll explain a little more about his accomplishments since leaving the House of Commons.
00:01:02.880But it's a pleasure to have him and we'll be right back.
00:02:47.900Yeah, they certainly did miss the point because of course, it's the brand on the glass.
00:02:57.220Before we get into some questions and a couple, I've got some Mark Carney clips that I just want your comment on.
00:03:03.380I want to explain to people why, you know, you're on the show today because you were a member probably for 18 years for the Toronto area, Scarborough, Pickering.
00:03:26.960That's my kind of politician because I'm always telling people, never stand with a politician when the politician lets you down and stand with principle.
00:03:38.400And unlike a lot of politicians who leave office and they spend the rest of their lives on the boards as a director on various corporate boards, you have done such useful things for Canadians as the gas price wizard, for instance, telling people where they can get the best price for gas.
00:03:55.780But as the president of Canadians for affordable energy, you really have a bipartisan or I won't say multi-partisan, it's at least bipartisan approach to energy, which I think has just cut beneath a lot of the rhetoric and a lot of the nonsense coming out of politicians.
00:04:15.180And you're not afraid to criticize the liberal government today, especially under Justin Trudeau.
00:04:22.680So thank you for the work you've done as the president of Canadians for affordable energy.
00:04:27.240The information will be in the description about that.
00:04:30.940But I want to get your feedback today on Mark Carney.
00:04:35.980We're hearing a lot about Mark Carney, obviously.
00:04:38.580It looks like he's being anointed as the next liberal leader and the next prime minister.
00:04:43.980And before I show you the first clip that I want your comment on, you know what bothers me most about Mark Carney?
00:04:51.960Well, maybe one of the things that bothers me most, not just that he is a globalist and proud of it, but this is a guy who's never been elected to any office in his life.
00:05:03.640He has spent his life on the globalist gravy train the last couple of years as a UN goodwill ambassador for climate change, governor of the Bank of England.
00:05:12.500And as you know, I had Liz, former prime minister of Great Britain, Liz Truss recently, and she said Mark Carney was a nightmare as the governor of Bank of England.
00:05:21.920All he knew how to do is print money and inflationary spending.
00:05:26.360But your perception, what are your thoughts about Mark Carney as potentially being Canada's next prime minister?
00:05:35.240Well, there are many things that come into my head over the years of time in which I was a liberal, not just as a member of parliament, but even prior to that.
00:05:42.780You know, I started in 74, 75, licking envelopes and putting up signs as a kid.
00:05:50.480I didn't have any parents that really wanted to have me in politics.
00:05:53.380I'm sure they probably thought I'd be better to get a trade or something that might actually have done better for me in the long run.
00:05:58.580However, in 1978, I worked for a guy named Paul Cosgrove, who later became the housing minister when we had, you know, 21% interest rates.
00:06:06.360But I also helped a candidate in the Scarborough Centre.
00:06:09.200Now, I want you to listen to this, Morris Strong.
00:06:12.860Morris Strong was a world candidate in that writing, and a lot of people know him as the granddaddy of the WEF and the climate goals, et cetera, because we are in this fascination of net zero.
00:06:22.680And, of course, net zero has been ruinous for Canada, has been ruinous for the world, extraordinarily costly.
00:06:28.080It's a really dangerous but very, you know, very, you know, cloaked policy that it has as a sinister goal to reduce the human condition
00:06:40.480and to punish countries that are doing much better than others, while at the same time rewarding nations that really don't care about what they have to say.
00:06:47.540But that aside, I see that sort of a confluence between Mr. Carney and going back 40 years, 45 years to 47 years, 37 years to guys like Morris Strong.
00:07:02.300And that is that while they are smart, they're also cunning.
00:07:06.220And what they have to offer is something that is extraordinarily damaging to the country.
00:07:10.700And the fact that they make statements that are, you know, analogous to we will impose our authoritarianism,
00:07:17.200we will invoke emergency measures to get our ways should be a clarion call to Canadians.
00:07:23.840It certainly is being lost on the older generation, not on the younger generation that can't afford to make ends meet,
00:07:28.400can't afford a house, much less afford food and groceries and gasoline and diesel.
00:07:33.300But it does suggest to me that Canadians, just because we got rid of Trudeau, who, by all accounts,
00:07:41.040wasn't a very enlightened individual for all the reasons, nice hair, nice socks and sobbings and selfies.
00:07:47.920We now have a person who is far more, you know, far more intelligent, if you can, if you will.
00:07:54.500And someone who I think is bringing a far more sinister message to Canadians, one of do it my way or else.
00:08:03.160And he's using, exploiting every avenue that he has while presenting himself as something he clearly is not.
00:14:45.580I was the guy appointment responsible for Canadians abroad.
00:14:48.180And by the way, Todd Battis was one of the reasons I got that position, because he was the first one to report work I had done 25 years ago to save the life of a guy named William Sampson.
00:14:56.260And then it was Todd Battis out of CTV who came down to do the interview with me.
00:15:00.160However, I mean, what Mark Carney is not telling us is that he that he has a firm understanding of the things because we don't consume things in this country.
00:15:08.580Somehow we shouldn't worry about them.
00:15:10.360Well, Mark Carney spent his time trying to block pipelines, trying to choke off investments to our number one sector in this economy, oil and gas, whether you like it or not.
00:15:17.920And that is one that we export largely to other countries, not just consume here at home.
00:15:23.440So I think Mr. Carney makes a number of comments that are both alarming, false, and demonstrate a significant shortage of details and information.
00:15:33.360And these are things that might have worked five, ten years ago when people didn't really care.
00:15:36.880But now it's costing them, costing far more than they can afford.
00:15:42.380Net zero, climate, calling CO2 pollution, as he's so wont to doing, doesn't work anymore when affordability is the number one issue in this country.
00:15:51.300As I predicted it would be several years ago, most people shrugged their shoulders.
00:15:55.540Mr. Carney is going to have a real hard time under pressure and asking and having people ask him tough questions that he may not have an answer for.
00:16:05.420And the answers he's giving so far demonstrate a significant weakness in terms of his his understanding of reality.
00:16:11.720Not much meant not to mention that I think some of these comments are highly questionable, if not unintelligent.
00:16:17.500Well, it certainly doesn't seem to be thinking through what he's saying.
00:16:22.720But he's being aided and abetted in a large part by a very friendly, very friendly media.
00:16:29.400Because when he says, don't worry about steel, I would have said, what planet are you living on, Mr. Carney?
00:16:35.340Had I been the interviewer, he let that just pass and not even did not even make an attempt to question Carney's response.
00:16:43.920And the mainstream media is giving this guy a pass.
00:17:40.520Although yesterday, I think two days ago, he said he's prepared to go into inflationary spending and deficit spending to get the economy back on its feet.
00:17:49.620So nothing he says is has has legs for more than a day.
00:17:55.180But I really find the guy to be shallow.
00:17:59.160He's like to me, he's like Justin Trudeau on Valium because he says the same things, but he says them in such a dispassionate way.
00:18:06.440Like he he might believe this today, but maybe he won't tomorrow.
00:18:22.240And I really I had no idea there was a connection to Morris Strong, because I know Morris Strong recently passed away peacefully in China, where he, of course, was instrumental in.
00:18:39.540Redefining the Chinese economy, which is based essentially on gas guzzling cars.
00:18:45.800And here's Morris Strong spending the rest of his days as sort of a Chinese hero.
00:18:53.420And this is the guy, of course, who Pierre Trudeau appointed as the UN ambassador for the environment in the 70s.
00:18:59.620And this is all regurgitated nonsense that Mark Carney is coming out with.
00:19:04.720As you said, goes back 50 years when this stuff first became popular.
00:19:10.220And and Mark Carney hasn't got I don't think he's got a single original idea.
00:19:15.880And I don't think he's got a a single concept that is relevant for Canadians today and quite the reverse.
00:19:23.840And he's being he's being marketed as this guy, multifaceted, intelligent, done so many great jobs.
00:19:32.920And I think there's a reckoning coming from Mark Carney as soon as he's actually challenged by somebody on these things.
00:19:38.760But well, I've seen these elections before where people come in and they're very strong and they wind up, you know, getting blown out of the water.
00:19:45.840Not just Kim Campbell, but I think John Turner, of course.
00:19:51.860Canadians are not going to be satisfied with somebody who basically sells them more of what has not worked for the country.
00:19:57.880This whole policies, various strings and attachments, the head of the hydra, if you will, multi head of the hydra.
00:20:05.540But that is that zero. I think there is a concern in the country that far beyond the rhetoric needs a new face.
00:20:11.820I mean, I can get Canadians are relieved. It's no longer Trudeau.
00:20:15.360But my goodness, talk about hopping in from a fire into the frying pan.
00:20:19.160That's exactly what many of them are doing.
00:20:21.180I mentioned at the outset my tweet this weekend, and I couldn't believe intelligent people hopping onto this.
00:20:26.780And they were more concerned about the color of a beard than they were.
00:20:28.820In fact, the man said, Canada first, we don't want to have anything American and is leading the charge to getting people not to buy American products on the shelves.
00:20:36.980That's wonderful. Except you're sitting there with a with a beard that says Coors on it.
00:20:41.200And then people apologizing it was a Canadian company.
00:20:43.600I look, this is getting to the point where I saw things in 2015 and 2019.
00:20:47.980And people jumped on board again with this idea that we can somehow spend our way out of it and have an authoritarian, a totalitarian, an individual doesn't believe in democracy, never ran for public office in the past.
00:20:59.900As in fact said, it would be a contradiction for himself when I believe it might have been Prime Minister Harper who offered him the finance post after Flaherty had passed away.
00:21:09.760However, look, we need to look at what this man is proposing.
00:21:13.640And under closer scrutiny, which, of course, we don't expect him to get.
00:21:17.120I have a friend of mine who's running, an old friend from many years ago, who's also running for the Liberal leadership.
00:21:23.420And I think people have to recognize the Liberal Party is over, as we understood it.
00:21:27.600And it has been really much hijacked by an international idea, narrative, which I think has been very punitive to Canada.
00:21:34.440An ideology, which I think is not just based around incompetent government, but runaway social ideology, which is extraordinarily difficult for a nation as diverse as ours to try to grasp.
00:21:48.360And we are seeing the effects of what is happening across the country.
00:22:09.660On day one of his leadership campaign, when he made the official announcement in Edmonton, of course, he tried to present himself as this homegrown boy, born in the Northwest Territory, raised in Edmonton, just a Westerner like you and I, and not really part of that Eastern establishment, not part of that globalist establishment.
00:22:32.000I found, I found the whole news conference to be absolutely absurd at times.
00:22:36.640And, but that's what we've come to expect from so many politicians.
00:22:41.420And it was, it was laughable that he's, he's trying to say, don't look at my record as governor of the Bank of Canada, governor of the Bank of England, UN, a goodwill ambassador.
00:23:10.280And I don't know if he's been doing this his entire professional life, but here he is describing himself as a globalist after he says, I'm not really a globalist.
00:23:20.280That's a horrible smear from peer poly of in those people.
00:23:24.280Strength is I know how the world works.
00:23:30.020And my weakness is, you know, people will charge me as being elitist or, you know, a globalist to use that term, which is, well, that's exactly.
00:23:40.160You know, it happens to be exactly what we, what we need.
00:23:43.860So, so that's exactly what we need is, is globalism.
00:23:48.180Does, does he, does he seem to understand at all that he is affirming the criticism of his worst critics when he says that?
00:24:25.060May hold the government at bay for several months before he calls an election.
00:24:29.240And of course, uh, that's with help, of course, the, always, uh, to be relied upon, um, you know, deceptive NDP, uh, under Jagmeet Singh.
00:24:38.640But I think there's something far more serious about Mr. Carney that I think many people are overlooking.
00:24:43.600And that's the fact that, uh, he doesn't really speak too much to the fact that there's been a crisis, not just in the land because of what John Trump has.
00:24:50.920We've had a democratic crisis going back to September when the Speaker of the House ruled that, uh, not producing, uh, documents, something I used to do quite often with the previous government.
00:25:00.400In fact, the whole, uh, G20 back in 2010, uh, I was able to get production of documents to demonstrate the totality of a lot of odd spending that took place, but Parliament has to remain supreme.
00:25:13.780And for Mr. Carney to believe that Parliament can continue without, uh, without, uh, without it sitting, without him being in it, uh, makes a real mockery of the democracy that this country has come to appreciate.
00:25:26.860We need an election. I think Canadians universally on all sides of the equation believe that, but I'm now starting to detect that more and more Canadians are just happy without our parliamentary system working, it being dysfunctional, uh, and of course, uh, uh, uh, um, uh, minority government, which may very well exceed any parliamentary tradition of the longest serving governments anywhere in the world.
00:25:47.580So that is not something I think Canadians, uh, may be appreciating at this point, but it's something that Mr. Carney fully expects to, uh, to exploit.
00:25:56.180And that exploitation means, uh, uh, uh, less democracy for a long period of time.
00:26:02.300Yeah, I, I certainly agree with the premise. We need an election. This is a lame duck government.
00:26:09.380Do you think it's possible? I mean, because the constitution still states that a government can last for five years.
00:26:17.180There's, there's, there's been legislation saying we need a, a, a four year election mark, but I think the constitution could, would over rule that.
00:26:28.600Do you think it's, and I'm not one of these people who thinks the liberals are going to hang on until October, 2016.
00:26:35.600Do you think that's even a remote possibility or you think Carney's going to go for an early election?
00:26:39.800I think he might be influenced by the fact that Jagmeet Singh at 12% in the polls knows that their goose is cooked.
00:26:47.640So they're going to hang in a little longer as much as they can, maybe until October rather than having, uh, as he wishes, maybe, or as he suggests or hinted, uh, a March election, regardless of what we think and what they think.
00:26:59.260It's what the public thinks. And I know that this is a hard thing for Mr. Carney and his gang, by the way, gang led by people like Gerald Butts, um, who I'm not singling out, but, uh, you know, has given Ontario some of the highest hydro rates with the green energy act back in 2009, follow that up with getting, uh, taking over and invading, uh, Ottawa, where energy prices and costs of living went through the roof beginning in 2015, 2016.
00:27:22.800And now plans to, uh, no one should get a three-peat. You, you, you were a disaster in Ontario. You were, you demolished the, uh, the affordability issue in Canada. Uh, and no matter where you, you spend your time, if we are going to, Canadians believe that they can go over this all over again.
00:27:40.500And that is 2015, uh, when in fact it's 2025, clinging to power to impose an agenda, which Canadians have not given, uh, you know, authority to, uh, is a very dangerous and very undemocratic way of conducting business.
00:27:55.460And I think, uh, an unfortunate dimension of what net zero is, which is too bad. If there's no democracy, we really don't care. This is a pernicious international agenda.
00:28:06.600And I believe that in my heart of hearts, that Mark Carney is a Manchurian candidate for international organizations that do not have Canada's best interests at heart. We need someone to speak for Canada. That's not Mark Carney.
00:28:18.320Well, the last time you were on my show, you referred to Stephen Gilboa, the environment and climate change minister as a Manchurian candidate. So I think you were dead right about that.
00:28:30.480And this is a guy whose loyalty is not to Canada, but elsewhere. And I think you, you might be dead on about Mark Carney being another mentoring candidate. And as you said the last time, please, I, you know, understand where that comes from.
00:28:43.040You know, it's, uh, it, it does, it does mean a very specific thing based on a, on a, on a phrase and a description in a book, in a movie, but here's the last clip.
00:28:53.520You referred to this incident twice already in, in our conversation. I was very surprised that the day after, not a word, not a peep from the conservative party communications about this.
00:29:08.660There was hell of a lot said on social media, including on my show, rebel news covered this extensively. A lot of the, the independent media covered it.
00:29:19.040Not much from the conservative party. I don't know why, but this to me is one of the most damning things just, just in the current, that Mark Carney has said thus far.
00:29:28.320And something that my government is going to do is to use all of the powers of the federal government, including the emergency powers of the federal government, to accelerate the major projects that we need in order to build this economy and take on the Americans.
00:29:44.900Now, I'm not even sure how the emergencies act could be used to so-called accelerate these projects, unquote, but I'm sure he'll find a way because, but it, it struck me as ominous that he would tell this, this small crowd in Kelowna, knowing full well, it was being recorded by a local television unit was there,
00:30:13.440but there's about 50 people out in Kelowna, BC. And Kelowna is a fairly small C conservative and large C conservative town.
00:30:21.100I know it quite well coming from British Columbia. And so he got, he got 50 people out to hear this.
00:30:27.860Some of the most frightening remarks he's come out with, because we are still recovering from the emergencies act, the invocation of the emergencies act in three years ago.
00:30:39.220And Mark Carney talks about this, like it's no big deal. And he's prepared to push this through. Do you think he's an authoritarian?
00:30:48.500I think his words have pretty much confirmed that. Doesn't have to come from me, it comes from him. I'm just surprised he didn't use the word martial law.
00:30:56.840What are we really talking about here when he makes those kind of silly remarks that get applause from people in the room who have absolutely no understanding and are completely insensitive to what that really entails?
00:31:08.040You know, I don't think of many Canadians as being anti-democratic or allowing these kind of things to happen.
00:31:14.160And what is he talking about? Is he talking about, you know, using that to block certain pipelines, telling the American investors to get lost?
00:31:21.020Because we don't have a strong position to be able to say to people, hey, whether you're American or European or whether you happen to be Asian investors, we don't want your money because we think that making, I don't know, hydrogen and, you know, buy more solar panels from China and using bird choppers to get our energy, which will, on a day like today, freezing across much of this country, are absolutely useless.
00:31:43.860And they will shortchange and they will shorten the lives of Canadians.
00:31:47.100So I'm not sure what that takes, what that means.
00:31:51.100I saw it as very frightening and very ominous.
00:31:53.440I do say this, though, and I know in my years that I'm going to put my political cap back on because I did spend a lot of time there and make no mistake, it goes back a lot longer than most appreciate.
00:32:03.000You know, I think for the Conservatives, if they're going to have to reconcile, Mark Carney, they're going to have to reconcile net zero.
00:32:11.100And to do that, they may want to hold off, you know, keep their powder dry until there's an election.
00:32:15.940There's no point coming out and shooting down Mr. Carney at this point.
00:32:20.220Guys like me who aren't invested, I'm not a member of the Conservative Party.
00:32:24.160I've only been a member of one party, that is the Liberal Party of Canada, when it was the Liberal Party of the Centre.
00:32:30.700But to respond very quickly may not be, in my opinion, and I think my advice would be hold off.
00:32:39.420Let other people make those remarks and then come to that conclusion and then ding Canadians when they're actually paying attention and say,
00:32:44.780do you really want an authoritarian figure invoking these measures, which we have rarely used, for which the first person to use these back in the 1970s apologized for it.
00:32:57.760We created a constitution to protect people's rights so that couldn't happen again.
00:33:01.040Do you really want that going on, especially in light of what happened in COVID?
00:33:04.040I think most people may be of two opinions on that, but the reality now is very much swung in favour of those who believe that those kind of comments really bring us back to a time,
00:33:14.680not just of division in the country, but of a shameful period of time when the federal government uses powers against people who are peacefully demonstrating.
00:33:24.240I think you're quite correct in saying, give Mark Carney enough rope, he will hang himself.
00:33:29.400Oh, you didn't really, you didn't put it that way, but I think that's, that's what he, that's what he tends to do.
00:33:35.960This is a man who really puts his foot in his mouth constantly.
00:33:40.000I don't think he's a very good politician in terms of thinking about what he says before he says it and realizing that this is all on, on, on tape.
00:33:51.500It's all out there immediately on social media.
00:33:53.880And anything he says is going to be reported and recorded and ad nauseum, people are going to hear it over and over again.
00:34:02.620But I was thinking the other day, and I wanted your, your thoughts on this because I'm still not convinced Justin Trudeau is leaving because the potential for a snap election, it still exists.
00:34:15.300If the federal court orders the prorogation to, to stop and the house to resume, I think we could have an early election.
00:34:23.760Uh, I, and I, I raised this and you would remember this Dan, but, and so many people have forgotten that Pierre Trudeau resigned twice.
00:34:31.300I know people forget he resigned in 1979 when he was the opposition leader and Joe Clark was prime ministry.
00:34:38.320Pierre Trudeau hated, and I know you knew Pierre Trudeau, he hated being opposition leader.
00:34:43.580He didn't know what the hell to do in that job.
00:35:15.220You know, John, John Crosby's gas tax, which I think was 16 cents a gallon or something.
00:35:22.060And they, they neglected to talk to those credit, credit East members, those six members from Quebec who were propping up the conservative minority government.
00:36:40.680Now, I don't know if that's, if that's possible.
00:36:42.980And it, it's all, I never say it's over with Justin Trudeau.
00:36:49.260But if we agree, if we agree that, yes, he is going to resign and that it looks like Mark Kearney is going to be the next leader at Liverpool.
00:36:56.700What do you, what do you think the legacy of Justin Trudeau is going to be as, in history?
00:37:03.500Well, it won't be very kind to Justin Trudeau.
00:37:05.720When your own caucus dumps you, it says a lot about the fact that you're not well-liked.
00:37:09.620Unlike Pierre Elliott Trudeau, and, you know, I take this rather from an interesting historical perspective.
00:37:17.300In 1987, I was campaign manager for a provincial housing manager named Alvin Curling.
00:37:21.800My chairman of my campaign was the, it was Keith Davey, the rainmaker, who at the time was very instrumental in getting Trudeau Sr. to come back.
00:37:32.320And at the time, of course, we had, you know, a government which was fumbling, a new government that had just come in, you know, call it basically an interlude.
00:37:41.580And, you know, clearly couldn't count and unpopular as it was in 1979, still unpopular today.
00:37:48.880When you impose taxes on gasoline, not a bright thing to do, which is what I've been warning since 2015, 2014.
00:37:56.860Don't want to listen to me, but they are now because gasoline prices do, in fact, matter, especially as they cascade into the cost of everything else.
00:38:04.140But in terms of Justin Trudeau's legacy, foregone conclusion, he should have left a year and a half, two years ago.
00:38:09.440His handlers didn't want it because they thought, well, we're going to have to slow down the money printing machine and the grift will have to stop.
00:38:16.700And all these people with interests in mooching from the government will suddenly find themselves without money.
00:38:21.380And, of course, there was no concern or consideration to not just this generation, not the next generation, but the generation after.
00:38:28.240When you incur such massive amounts of debt while decreasing productivity per GDP per person in this country, while you have a nation which seems to have had a migration crisis,
00:38:40.480which you've insulted those who've taken the time to go through the process to be brought into this country suddenly inundated with people who basically should not be here, cannot be here,
00:38:49.920and once they're here, cannot afford to stay here, you have a real problem on your hands.
00:38:53.880And I think for most of the nation, it's not East versus West, French versus English, Protestant versus Catholic, whatever you want to call it.
00:39:00.520It is now very much a sense in our own selves, not just this generation, but generations to come, that Canada has a very long road in which to recover.
00:39:10.000And I think, you know, we've seen more setbacks that I think can now be accurately called a national crisis.
00:39:17.440And it was self-made. It was imposed by a dilettante who should never have been prime minister.
00:39:23.680But, of course, he had the socks, the sobbing, the selfies, and the nice hair.
00:39:26.960And, unfortunately, there's a significant constituency in this country, I don't want to say who they are, who thought this is great, this is wonderful, this is how you lead a country.
00:39:36.760And those of us who have experienced know exactly how this recipe was going to turn out to be a fundamental disaster, which it is today for Canadians.
00:39:56.600Thank you for doing a job, the job that you do on behalf of Common Sense Canadians.
00:40:02.020I'm not going to call it either political party, but for those Common Sense Canadians, no matter how they vote, but who vote for Common Sense policies, you are addressing those Canadians with the work you're doing.
00:40:13.560And I'll say it again, I've never met a more principled politician than you.
00:40:34.300And I respect your opinion on just about all of these things.
00:40:37.680I think you've got so much to say as somebody who has served the country as a member of Parliament, but continues to serve this country with the information that you're gathering and disseminating.