Stand on Guard with David Krayden - ＂Nauseating＂ When Trudeau Talks About Freedom.＂ The Tamara Lich Interview ｜ Stand on Guard Ep 135

00:00:00.000 Welcome back to another episode of Stand on Guard. I'm your host, David Crayton, and I have Tamara Leach with me today, and we'll be back in mere moments to discuss a variety of issues.

00:00:15.060 So we are in a very precarious position in this country. We need political change, but we also need to resolve to resist.

00:00:30.000 Yes, please like the station. Do what you can to support us. If you've already subscribed and you've got unsubscribed, please subscribe again. Facebook does that to people. I hear about that every day.

00:00:50.100 And tell your friends and family to watch Stand on Guard. So nice to have you back here, Tamara. It's been, my God, it's been too many months and so much has happened.

00:01:01.100 And I've gone through a hell of a great, a lot of personal difficulties. And my sister passed away a couple of months back, largely, I believe, because of COVID vaccines.

00:01:14.080 And it's funny because I went out to the Freedom Convoy protest from day one. I knew it was historic. I knew there was a reason for me to be there to report on this when few other people were really reporting on it.

00:01:31.580 They were just being talking heads and talking about how horrible this was, the mainstream media anyway.

00:01:37.660 And I knew I had to go. But I tell you this, I, it was never personal for me in terms of how, how the vaccine potentially could act on people.

00:01:49.220 And I'm being careful about this because we still aren't allowed to be completely honest about how safe and effective the vaccine really was.

00:01:59.680 But when I lost my sister last November to pneumonia, and this was somebody who's marginally older than I was, not much. Certainly, I had no anticipation I'd lose her.

00:02:12.520 And she died of pneumonia last November without any real warning. And she was gone so fast, I didn't even have a chance to get on a plane from Ottawa to see her in Vancouver.

00:02:24.100 And it was that fast. And I woke up the day after. And I thought, this is real to me now. This is real because I hadn't lost anybody directly.

00:02:35.840 And I fortunately, I thank God I took the damn vaccine. But I've had no ill health from it thus far. So I'm grateful for that. But it became personal for me. 0.97

00:02:47.920 And my second thought after saying it's become personal, and I said, I said, thank God for people like Tamara Leach and Chris Barber who went out there and protested these mandates.

00:03:00.840 Because it's not going to happen in the future. It's not going to happen. And as we were talking before this broadcast, just let the government try to do this again.

00:03:10.200 And just let them try to lock down this country, to force us to take a vaccine that some people don't want to take. 0.56

00:03:18.400 But let's just see them try it again, because I don't think they'll succeed.

00:03:23.540 I don't think this is on again, I guess is the only way to put it.

00:03:27.360 I think because of the protest that you, Chris, and others in the Freedom Convoy exhibited, I think you said to everybody out there, we can stop this in the future.

00:03:39.880 We can stand up for our rights, and we can fight back. What do you think?

00:03:45.520 I think you're right. I mean, I don't think that the government or, well, Canada, I mean, we're known for being, you know, very passive and polite people.

00:03:54.120 And so I think it shocked a lot of people when the middle class, who rarely protest, all got up out of their homes and drove across the country to stand up against this.

00:04:05.820 And I think we shocked a lot of people, especially our government.

00:04:10.580 Yes, you certainly did shock the government.

00:04:14.160 And they're coming back with name calling and everything else they did.

00:04:18.000 But some good news lately, you can now be seen publicly with Chris Barber again, and I have a brief shot here.

00:04:28.260 You retweeted Chris's post on X, so fantastic.

00:04:33.640 So how did that come about?

00:04:35.660 Well, we had asked the Crown Prosecutor to drop our no contact order because the evidentiary portion of our trial is concluded.

00:04:43.860 And, of course, the Crown Prosecutor didn't agree that that was a good idea.

00:04:47.000 So we had to bring a motion before the judge, and she agreed that it was a breach of our charter rights to continue.

00:04:54.240 I mean, conditions are only put in place, you know, in extreme cases or if there is a risk to reoffend or, you know, and especially in me and Chris's case, it was a matter of, you know, the evidence that could be presented after.

00:05:05.920 But we rested our case, and we're so grateful that she ruled in that favor.

00:05:11.360 And it was really funny.

00:05:13.040 We spent the weekend up at one of our lawyers' cabins for the May Long Weekend, and I remember I sent him a text message, and then it just hit me that I can actually just pick up the phone and call him now, you know, which was weird.

00:05:26.860 It was really weird in the beginning that we couldn't speak to each other, but then it was weird now that we can.

00:05:31.880 So we're very grateful.

00:05:33.580 Have you actually personally gotten together since that order was lifted?

00:05:39.520 Yes, actually.

00:05:40.760 It just so happened that the morning that the judge ruled in our favor on this motion, Chris and his children were coming up here to pick up a truck.

00:05:48.900 So they were in Medicine Hat that day, so we got together and had a great visit.

00:05:53.140 Oh, that's wonderful.

00:05:54.320 It was so funny attending the trial.

00:05:56.900 You two had to always avoid each other, even though you're in the same courtroom together.

00:06:03.020 They were separate, and you always, of course, had to enter the courtroom separately.

00:06:08.520 It was quite, I guess, amusing at times.

00:06:11.020 But that's...

00:06:11.680 Was the government imposed or police imposed time out?

00:06:16.420 There's one thing I want to be able to do is to get the word out about how fundraising is going for you, and I suppose for Chris as well, but we're talking to you today about that.

00:06:30.920 So are you short of funds for the legal expenses of this trial?

00:06:36.780 Do you need to raise more money?

00:06:38.300 Do people need to know that?

00:06:40.040 Are you in need of fundraising right now?

00:06:42.420 Well, I'm very fortunate that I have the, pardon me, the Democracy Fund helping me with my legal fees.

00:06:51.280 And of course, I mean, they always can use funds, you know, because they're not just, it's not just my case.

00:06:56.060 There's, I think, well, at least another thousand cases, tickets and charges.

00:07:01.260 So they're helping a lot of people.

00:07:03.800 And in Chris's case, it's the JCCF that's helping him with his legal fees, too.

00:07:08.900 So there's always a need for it, always a need for it.

00:07:12.940 And, you know, in my case, like, we've spent almost a half a million dollars on legal fees already.

00:07:19.160 We've still got about 10 days of trial left.

00:07:21.720 And then, you know, we're pretty sure if we are found not guilty, the Crown's probably going to immediately appeal.

00:07:29.240 So then we have to start this process all over again.

00:07:31.660 So, you know, I don't know.

00:07:33.740 I don't know when this ends.

00:07:37.520 Well, but you're, you're okay then in terms of funds being raised.

00:07:42.160 There's no emergency right now.

00:07:44.000 No, no.

00:07:45.960 Yeah.

00:07:46.420 Okay.

00:07:46.860 Not that I'm aware of anyways.

00:07:48.740 I'm sure I'm aware of it.

00:07:50.060 You never tell with legal situations.

00:07:53.540 Anyone who's been entangled with the law in any way knows this.

00:07:58.520 Anyone who hasn't been, I don't think, really comprehends how expensive it is to go to court.

00:08:04.880 And especially when, I mean, how would you have anticipated a mischief charge would go on this long?

00:08:12.860 And it still boggles my mind because the last time I, you know, I talked to your lawyer was just after the last recess.

00:08:22.040 And we spoke for quite a while outside of the courtroom.

00:08:25.620 And, you know, he was quite confident of things going well, but saying things would come back for one last burst of activity in August, September.

00:08:37.020 So I guess I'm imagining that hasn't, hasn't changed.

00:08:41.560 You're still anticipating going back in August or September for the last nine days.

00:08:45.940 And yes.

00:08:46.740 Yeah.

00:08:46.980 We are scheduled to be back in court on August the 13th.

00:08:50.380 I know we have three days secured that week.

00:08:53.440 And then when they were trying to secure the following week, so we could finally get this wrapped up.

00:08:58.380 I mean, it's the longest mischief trial in history and mischief doesn't normally go to trial.

00:09:04.120 You know, it's a, it's a fine and a slap on the wrist, but in our case, you know, longest mischief trial in history.

00:09:11.300 Yeah.

00:09:11.740 It's usually a, you know, a fight at somebody's wedding results.

00:09:15.000 I mean, stiff charge, you know, and this, I've, I've been saying that since day one, this should never have gone to trial.

00:09:22.080 And certainly here we, you know, we're, we're, we're going to be nearing the anniversary of the beginning of this trial,

00:09:28.800 because I remember it was the Tuesday after the Labor Day weekend when this thing began in 2023.

00:09:35.160 And we're certainly probably going to lap that, which is incredible to me.

00:09:39.460 But one of the burning questions I always had about this, do you have any idea of what happened to the funds that were raised through Give, Send, Go?

00:09:48.860 Were they seized?

00:09:50.380 Are they still out there someplace?

00:09:52.620 Were they, what happened to that?

00:09:54.640 Some of them were seized.

00:09:56.240 Give, Send, Go ended up refunding everything that they could, but there was some that was coming down the payment process or Stripe,

00:10:04.080 and that's what was seized.

00:10:06.680 But everything else was returned.

00:10:08.460 Yeah.

00:10:08.640 All right.

00:10:09.740 So there's still some outstanding funds that, what, should go back to the people who donated or, or, or to the Freedom Convoy?

00:10:17.100 Or is it going to be in limbo land?

00:10:19.660 Yeah, it's, it's locked up in an escrow.

00:10:21.500 I think there's about $5.5 million that are locked up in an escrow seized by the government of Ontario.

00:10:27.240 They have a seizure order on it, as well as a forfeiture order on it.

00:10:31.280 So, I mean, the outcome of our criminal trial is definitely going to affect that.

00:10:36.880 But we still have the civil suit, of course, hanging over our head that Paul Champ initiated.

00:10:42.640 And so we'll, yeah, I mean, it's kind of in limbo.

00:10:46.420 What would happen to it, I guess, if we ever do see that money is, you know, we may, we'll do what we said we were going to do.

00:10:54.180 We've got registration forms from some of the truckers and people that were in Ottawa to reimburse them, as well as, you know, we always wanted to donate what was ever left over to the veterans.

00:11:06.580 That was always our goal.

00:11:08.180 If we raised more than we needed for the truckers, then we were going to donate all the rest of veterans.

00:11:13.200 And that's still very much on the table.

00:11:14.760 So I don't know how long this will take for us to get, to get access to it, if we ever do.

00:11:20.320 But if we do, we'll do exactly, use it for its intended purpose.

00:11:24.660 Yeah, well, I'm, I'm, I'm sure you will.

00:11:28.620 It's just another gross inconvenience from this entire episode.

00:11:33.200 And a lot of people always are, are, are wondering about that, but that's exactly what I thought was the case.

00:11:39.620 Yes, this has been a never ending saga of injustice for everybody.

00:11:45.240 And wanted to mention as well, I saw that you had been tweeting, I guess we can, or posting on X about the Coots 4.

00:11:55.240 Do you think these guys really got the shaft from, from our legal system in terms of what, what they ended up with?

00:12:03.000 I couldn't believe it.

00:12:04.900 Yeah.

00:12:05.120 Two of them are still in jail.

00:12:06.340 It's been over 800 days and they're still in jail.

00:12:09.420 Like, where's the due process here?

00:12:12.480 It's a, you know, I just talked to Tony yesterday.

00:12:14.900 And it always amazes me.

00:12:16.920 Like he's always in such good spirits and, and, you know, he's really at peace with everything.

00:12:22.200 And, you know, he's doing well under the circumstances, but he shouldn't be in there to begin with.

00:12:28.660 I mean, it seems that that whole trial now, I haven't been down there.

00:12:32.580 I've actually tried to get down there to sit in a couple of days because obviously I'm well aware that what you read in the news is not necessarily what's really happening.

00:12:40.440 And then of course there's a publication ban on it.

00:12:42.860 So there, the information that's getting out is very limited, but there's a, there's not a lot of transparency with this case, which is concerning, especially in light of the fact that again, they're still in jail.

00:12:55.880 No bail hearing, nothing.

00:12:57.460 No, that's, to me, it strikes me that they're, they're being treated like domestic terrorists, which of course is exactly how the Trudeau government envisioned them.

00:13:10.000 That's how the Trudeau government envisioned you and the Freedom Convoy is domestic terrorists.

00:13:14.920 And it's, it boggles the mind that they are still being treated in this manner.

00:13:20.180 It's, it's beyond anything, any democratic country should ever have to endure.

00:13:24.800 But all we can do is continue to support them, but they, the legal system has definitely treated them in a, on a tier that no other people, you know, who were charged with similar offenses would ever have been treated this way.

00:13:42.100 It's, it's, it is astounding to me that this has been allowed, but we, we will see where this ends up.

00:13:50.380 And I, unfortunately, I, it doesn't, doesn't bode well.

00:13:54.100 No.

00:13:54.580 So, and in the meantime, these gentlemen have lost, you know, over two years of their lives.

00:14:00.160 Oh, yes.

00:14:01.180 And as, as have you, and so many people associated with this.

00:14:05.480 And, and I think there's been people who have been put on trial very quietly while you and Chris have been on trial and have been really bypassed by any media attention.

00:14:18.460 And it's just, and it's just, and that's exactly the way the Trudeau government wants it, of course, because they, it doesn't want full revelation.

00:14:27.400 How many people have suffered as a result of this who are going through the legal process?

00:14:33.120 Lawfare is.

00:14:34.220 Lawfare.

00:14:34.860 Yeah, it's, it's lawfare for sure.

00:14:37.140 As you've described it.

00:14:38.480 They want us bankrupt and demoralized.

00:14:42.160 You know, and, and all over what essentially are all mischief charges.

00:14:47.960 There's really nothing beyond that.

00:14:51.180 And this, this sets a horrible precedent, a legal precedent for, for any Canadian in the future that, that could be charged with mischief and would have to endure this, this sort of thing.

00:15:02.320 It's concerning, yeah.

00:15:03.120 People should be concerned.

00:15:06.220 I've been fascinated recently.

00:15:08.280 I just put this, put this by Justin Trudeau's latest obsession.

00:15:12.880 And of course, trying, trying for political survival.

00:15:17.640 He's been accusing Pierre Polyev of, of, of wanting to endanger the Charter of Rights.

00:15:22.520 And by using that notwithstanding clause, because Polyev made a remark at a, at a, at a meeting he was at with police chiefs, where he would like to toughen up some of the criminal sentencing for real criminal.

00:15:38.060 As in murderers.

00:15:40.820 And that, and that they should be serving life.

00:15:43.580 And of course, that's all he said.

00:15:45.180 And in terms of, it might require some reference to the notwithstanding clause.

00:15:50.660 But so Trudeau has been coming out and saying, Polyev and the conservatives want to knock down the Charter of Rights, want to completely obliterate the Charter of Rights.

00:15:59.420 And he's called it like a, uh, a la carte Charter of Rights.

00:16:04.960 I found this absolutely astounding.

00:16:08.200 Because this is the man who froze bank accounts during the Freedom Convoy, which of course, that really hurts people.

00:16:16.880 We're not talking about sentencing murderers to death.

00:16:19.620 We're talking about preventing people from accessing their bank accounts so they can live.

00:16:26.440 Trudeau did that.

00:16:27.260 Trudeau is also considering a censorship bill called the Online Harms Act, which will make any speech he deems to be hateful, essentially illegal and beyond, and potentially liable for life imprisonment.

00:16:49.620 Do you find the hypocrisy of this man to be continually astounding, that he can accuse his adversaries, his political opponents, of being actually what he is?

00:17:02.660 He's the guy that has scrapped the Charter of Rights in Canada.

00:17:05.800 He's the guy that violates our basic freedoms.

00:17:08.920 He's the guy that really doesn't care for individual freedom or democracy.

00:17:13.080 But he projects that on everybody else.

00:17:15.240 Yes, he sure does.

00:17:19.800 Well, we know that he loves to fear monger. 0.99

00:17:22.460 And it's actually quite nauseating to watch him say stuff like that.

00:17:26.260 You know, when these MPs and liberal MPs get up and talk about protecting the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, they literally trampled all over it.

00:17:33.480 Literally trampled all over it without due process, without court orders from the judge.

00:17:38.440 I mean, it's banana republic stuff.

00:17:42.360 And so it's very frustrating to watch them try and paint this picture like they really care about Canadians and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms because they obviously don't.

00:17:52.660 They really don't.

00:17:53.860 And so the pattern that I've seen with the Liberal Party in our case and in the case that you're talking about is it's just projection.

00:18:01.040 You know, look at how they were accusing us of taking money from foreign entities when the Trudeau Foundation was taking money from Beijing.

00:18:09.620 We were accused of being, you know, overtaken by the Russians and having foreign interference.

00:18:15.300 Well, look at the Chinese interference.

00:18:18.360 You know, everything that they accused us of doing is what they were doing.

00:18:22.100 And the case is so different.

00:18:23.720 Well, exactly.

00:18:27.420 And that's so Trudeau seems to be driven by this desire to smear his political opponents with the things he's doing.

00:18:35.600 And that's that's par for the course for most of the people in that of that political persuasion.

00:18:42.720 But there's an interesting thesis report out right now.

00:18:46.460 And it's been completely ignored by the mainstream media.

00:18:49.740 I was referred to it by by an article in LifeSite magazine, actually, with very, very few people ever read.

00:18:58.740 But they happen to notice it.

00:19:00.380 And it's the annual CSIS report for 2023.

00:19:04.060 And there's very little in it about Chinese election interference and about the need to be aware of that.

00:19:12.040 But they've created a whole new category of domestic terrorism, people that are so-called religiously motivated to violent extremism.

00:19:26.880 They call it RMVE.

00:19:29.180 And there's also individuals who are motivated for violent extremism.

00:19:33.420 And these individuals that they're targeting are parents who are opposed to gender ideology, indoctrination in the schools.

00:19:47.540 And, of course, that's one of Trudeau's obsessions.

00:19:50.040 He doesn't think parents should have a say in that.

00:19:52.000 He doesn't think parents should even know if their 12-year-old wants to change their pronouns or their 12-year-old thinks they should have he or she should have a sex change operation.

00:20:01.600 That's none of the parents' business.

00:20:03.460 That's the state's responsibility.

00:20:05.720 So now CSIS has targeted parents as these are the new domestic terrorists.

00:20:12.360 And I thought, that's the flavor of the month.

00:20:15.360 Now it's the parents who oppose gender ideology.

00:20:19.280 When you were in Ottawa with the Freedom Convoy, people opposing COVID mandates were the domestic terrorists. 0.59

00:20:28.120 But you wonder if they ever focus on real criminals.

00:20:33.600 Do they ever focus on real terrorists?

00:20:35.640 Because it's interesting.

00:20:36.980 I don't think we're ever going to get to the bottom of this biolab in Winnipeg, which we briefly heard about a couple of months ago now.

00:20:46.080 And the committee looking into that has been completely shut down.

00:20:49.960 They will not look into it any further.

00:20:51.740 And we know Trudeau covered that up.

00:20:55.700 But it's like you say.

00:20:57.640 They accused the Freedom Convoy of using foreign interference.

00:21:02.300 But they won't reveal how much foreign interference they have benefited from.

00:21:07.460 And, of course, domestic terrorists, that's you and I now.

00:21:12.000 That's mom and dad.

00:21:14.320 That's the parents of children.

00:21:17.380 It's really anyone that sticks up for Canada.

00:21:19.400 It's really anyone that actually sticks up for Canada.

00:21:23.200 The Canada that we grew up in and sticks up for the Charter is painted as terrorists or misogynists or racists or, you know, like you just said, whatever the flavor of the week is.

00:21:34.220 Yeah.

00:21:34.960 But I think this is ominous that CSIS is now essentially following Trudeau's advice.

00:21:43.340 I don't think they got direct orders, too.

00:21:44.980 I think they're following what they think Trudeau wants because Trudeau is not happy with CSIS because there's whistleblowers in CSIS who have revealed things that Trudeau did not want us to know.

00:21:56.240 So he's gone after CSIS and CSIS is now fighting to keep their funding.

00:22:01.160 I think that's all this is ever about.

00:22:03.620 It's all about keeping their funding and going after the political opponents of the regime.

00:22:09.520 And so that's I put that out there because you guys were victims of that.

00:22:16.140 You were completely smeared by Trudeau to the point of suggesting there were Nazis in the midst of the freedom convoy.

00:22:25.140 And, of course, the only Nazi that surfaced during that time was the one Trudeau invited to the House of Commons for a standing ovation.

00:22:33.620 And I always tell people that, especially my American friends, you know, because they always they always laugh about, yeah, where were the Nazis during the freedom convoy?

00:22:42.720 I said, well, there weren't any.

00:22:44.080 I was there.

00:22:45.180 There were no Nazis.

00:22:46.820 And I didn't run into very I didn't run into any misogynists or a racist either.

00:22:52.680 It was a there was there was so it was a it was a quality.

00:22:57.400 It was a quality on profile for the for the country.

00:23:02.980 It was a showcase of equality.

00:23:04.960 I saw people of all races and religions getting together.

00:23:08.660 And, you know, it reminded me of that last September when we had the million person march here in Ottawa and across the country.

00:23:16.820 Once again, we had Canadians who were united for freedom.

00:23:23.040 We had Canadians.

00:23:24.440 We had evangelical Christians, Roman Catholics, lots of Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Jews, people with no religion at all who came together and they said, I am Canadian.

00:23:36.560 I believe in freedom.

00:23:37.780 Freedom, stop trying to use identity politics to say that I have to vote in a certain way because of my ethnicity or my religion.

00:23:46.700 I am going to make my own decisions about this.

00:23:49.380 And I think that was that was a huge step forward for freedom.

00:23:53.280 And a lot of people who were there and I was I was a master of ceremonies at the event in Ottawa.

00:23:58.660 I had so many people come up to me and they said, this is Freedom Convoy, too, because we were inspired by what happened in Ottawa.

00:24:07.400 And the Freedom Convoy, because people had the guts to say, I want to stand up for freedom.

00:24:12.420 I don't care if somebody wants to smear me for doing that.

00:24:16.320 I'm going to stand up for freedom and we're going to get together and we're going to be united.

00:24:19.980 No matter what our ethnicity, no matter what our race, no matter what our religion, we are united as Canadians.

00:24:27.240 And I think you started that with the Freedom Convoy.

00:24:32.260 There's been division over the last six months because of foreign wars and other things.

00:24:38.400 But the million person march is going to be meeting again in September.

00:24:43.400 It's going to do it again this year to tell Trudeau and to tell Canadians that we are still united for freedom.

00:24:51.300 And I think that's that's something that you have demonstrated through all you have gone through in terms of the of the judicial punishment,

00:25:01.360 in terms of spending time without bail in prison, going through what you've gone through and continuing to speak out with with courage.

00:25:11.360 And I I'm always reluctant to call you a Freedom Convoy leader because that's what the prosecution wants to describe you as.

00:25:21.620 I call you a Freedom Convoy icon as well as long as well with Chris Barber,

00:25:27.420 because you have become icons not just for a Freedom Convoy protest, which lives on.

00:25:32.260 But for every Canadian who believes in individual liberty, in freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and freedom of religion and all those things that used to make up Canada.

00:25:44.220 And I think will again because we're fighting back because your courage has inspired people.

00:25:51.160 And I want you to know that because I hear that from so many people when I'm out there and they say,

00:25:57.700 you know, it's it's great that you're covering this trial.

00:26:01.560 It's great that you continue to cover what's happening to Tamara and Chris, because they inspired me.

00:26:09.220 They I thought this country was a lost cause until they went out and they put their their reputations.

00:26:17.200 They put their livelihoods.

00:26:19.260 They put their everything on the line for freedom.

00:26:22.500 And if they can do that, I think I can do that, too.

00:26:25.820 And I think this country is still worth fighting for.

00:26:27.860 So I want you to know that you have left a legacy of freedom.

00:26:32.420 And of course, it's not over yet with this trial.

00:26:34.900 But when you win this thing and I believe you will.

00:26:38.660 And I don't think there's going to be an appeal because I think your lawyer has has tied this up so well with no loose ends.

00:26:46.680 That the prosecution is not going to have any room for an appeal.

00:26:52.140 That might be wishful thinking, but I believe that I think you're going to win this.

00:26:57.460 And I think you're going to walk away not just victorious in this court room, but you're going to walk away as an icon of Canadian freedom.

00:27:06.680 And I think you are capable to do so much more with that in the future.

00:27:14.520 Well, thank you.

00:27:15.600 I mean, I there was everyone that was there was was such a huge part of it.

00:27:21.140 And so I can't take credit for it, obviously.

00:27:23.700 I mean, I just became visible because I was the one in front of the cameras most of the time.

00:27:28.600 But I mean, everyone that was there was doing something or contributed in some way or donated something.

00:27:36.060 You know, it was a true grassroots Canadian movement.

00:27:40.340 And, you know, no, I feel that no one of us is more important or did anything more than the next person.

00:27:47.200 You know, it was a true team effort.

00:27:49.760 And, yeah, I hope you're right.

00:27:53.400 I hope we were very lucky.

00:27:55.500 Both Chris and I have excellent legal teams.

00:27:58.000 And so fingers crossed that you're right and there is no appeal.

00:28:02.880 Yeah, that's that would be a happy ending.

00:28:06.140 If there's such a thing as a happy ending after all you've been through.

00:28:10.720 But do you ever envision yourself getting involved in the political process, running for office at a municipal, provincial or federal level?

00:28:21.960 I'm not asking for any particular political party.

00:28:25.620 But could you see yourself or do you envision yourself at any time in the future becoming politically involved?

00:28:30.560 Or do you see there's something that you'd rather stay away from?

00:28:34.160 Well, I sure hope not.

00:28:35.400 I don't want to be a politician, honestly.

00:28:39.960 I sure hope not.

00:28:41.360 I mean, I don't know what's in store for me once this is all over.

00:28:45.300 Obviously, I follow politics very closely.

00:28:48.540 And, I mean, I think people should get involved, myself included, right now because of the trial and stuff that's going on.

00:28:55.920 Well, as you started out the show with today, David, I mean, there's a lot of vaccine injured people out there that need help.

00:29:04.320 And so I kind of want to take that on and do whatever I can do to help them or get their stories out or see how we can raise funds for them, you know, because they're being left in the dark.

00:29:14.760 They're being completely stranded.

00:29:16.560 I mean, look at Kayla Pollock, for example.

00:29:19.360 She's severely injured and they've offered her maid three times.

00:29:23.700 Rather than deal with the problem, you know, acknowledge what they've done and help her, compensate her.

00:29:29.920 She needs a private nurse. 1.00

00:29:31.180 She needs a home.

00:29:32.520 She needs a vehicle that she can be transported in. 0.99

00:29:36.520 And then not only that, but like you said, there's still a lot of people out there that are facing charges and persecution that people don't know about.

00:29:43.060 And those people also need help.

00:29:44.640 So, you know, Chris and I are going to go do some fundraising as much as we can to help these people because no one gets left behind.

00:29:53.260 Well, personally, I hope you don't become involved in politics because it does detract from your message.

00:30:01.940 And when I say you, it detracts from anybody's message.

00:30:04.760 I was politically involved in the past.

00:30:08.580 I ran for public office.

00:30:10.620 I've worked in Parliament Hill for members of Parliament, and I don't miss it for a moment because I would much rather have the freedom to talk about politics from an objective viewpoint, from being not part of it, but watching it, observing it.

00:30:30.100 Being able to criticize anybody in politics and not being tied to any one political party, any political movement, because it's a lot more fun.

00:30:40.640 And I think in the end, it's a lot more edifying, not just for me, but for my audience and for people who can benefit from the experience I've had in that political process.

00:30:50.160 As a journalist, as a journalist, as a staffer, as a military public affairs officer, especially in that latter category, I was always told what to say.

00:31:00.120 I was always told how much truth I could deliver.

00:31:03.820 It was never the whole truth.

00:31:05.260 I tried to give as much of the truth as I could, but I was always to some extent barred because there's a process you have to obey.

00:31:13.180 And as an independent journalist now, I've never felt so free and so liberated and so able to talk about truth and to talk about this country as it really is and to talk about the political process as it really does develop.

00:31:27.120 And I think you're going to be doing so much good outside of that process and in terms of raising money for people who need it and raising awareness of this country, the people in this country who really need to know how bad things can be.

00:31:45.620 And for those who are those who are those who are disenchanted and those who are feeling the country has failed them, I think your story can be an inspiration and that your words can be a reason for them to continue to hope, to be optimistic, to fight back and to believe in Canada.

00:32:03.120 And there have been moments, there have been times that I've lost faith in this country and I have lost my ability to be optimistic.

00:32:10.360 but when i when i view your story and when i look at the work the freedom convoy achieved

00:32:16.980 it gives me optimism and it keeps providing me with a reason to fight for this country and

00:32:24.960 not to become bogged down in the political process so i hope you keep doing what you're

00:32:29.620 doing tamara because what you're doing as i said is an inspiration for so many canadians who

00:32:35.020 who need role models like you and chris barber and all of those people who participated in the

00:32:42.960 freedom convoy trial and it's interesting you know and i'll let you go on this but

00:32:47.660 when i used to see freedom convoy in the legacy media it was always in quotation marks

00:32:55.440 because i didn't want to say it was freedom so-called we started calling it the so-called

00:33:00.260 i'm actually seeing reporters for some mainstream media calling it the freedom convoy

00:33:12.000 without quotation marks or and i'm saying i think we want a victory here because people are beginning

00:33:18.900 to realize that it was about freedom and it was that these are courageous people who did everything

00:33:26.200 they could to put canada first they never put themselves first it was never about ego this

00:33:32.220 was about freedom and that's something i think so many canadians need to hear and we're not going

00:33:39.060 to give up you're not going to give up chris is not going to give up and thank you for your work

00:33:45.400 tamara and thank you for again appearing on this show and we're going to keep fighting and

00:33:49.940 we'll see you in august and september when yes you will when this when when you're back in trial and

00:33:57.620 we'll see you when the judge announces the verdict and i think it's going to be a happy verdict for

00:34:03.340 for all of us so thank you again tamara it's always a pleasure talking to you and uh your your work

00:34:11.120 will not go unnoticed or i hope unrewarded it needs to be recognized as a vital part of our current

00:34:21.140 events and i believe canadian history well thank you so much for having me it's always lovely to see

00:34:26.960 you david so uh you get back to your driveway where the people are working on it fortunately

00:34:33.860 we didn't hear a noise so i'm so glad because it is very loud out there have a great day

Stand on Guard with David Krayden - May 22, 2024

＂Nauseating＂ When Trudeau Talks About Freedom.＂ The Tamara Lich Interview ｜ Stand on Guard Ep 135

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