Reclaiming Our Freedoms： Exposing Politicians' Lies w Lawyer Marty Moore ｜ Stand on Guard
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Marty Moore with the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms joins me to talk about a wide range of topics, including the ban on hydro hikes in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, Doug Ford's attempt to get rid of pharmacare in Ontario, and the need to restore Canadian citizenship to non-citizens.
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back to another episode of Stand on Guard. This is your host, David Creighton, and I'm broadcasting
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live from Ottawa. It's a pleasure to be here today. Hope you enjoy this interview with Marty
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Moore. He's with the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. You've had
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opportunities to listen to John Carpe, who's also with the JCCF. Marty has some really
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interesting comments to make about a lot of different issues, and I think you're going
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The Prime Minister lied and his minions continue to lie.
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Yes, please like the station, like the show, and subscribe if you haven't already. We're past
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61,000, headed for a goal of 65 over the next week. I think we can do it if we keep doing
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the right things. Really enjoy talking to Marty. We talked, of course, about the ban on hikes,
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which the premiers in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia have installed, but then are trying
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to justify in the most bizarre fashion. Is it going to come to Ontario? Well, Doug Ford,
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of course, was a lockdown king during the COVID pandemic. But here's Doug Ford having his latest
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breakdown. So I appreciate the question. Sorry, I'm getting a little passionate today about this
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because that guy drives me crazy down south, I'll tell you. And 41 million other Canadians.
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Well, Doug Ford drives me crazy. Here's a good thing. This is a private member's bill.
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Care of Conservative MP from Calgary Nose Hill.
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Michelle Rempel-Garner. I used to be in contact with Michelle quite a bit.
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And I haven't really spoken to her for quite a while, but I think this is a great initiative.
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And this is about equality under the law. And I think this could also be applied not just to
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non-citizens. I find this incredible. But let's bring the playing field down so we're all equal
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under the law. We don't have some groups are more equal than others. Some ethnicities, some races,
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some genders have special status. Let's bring it all down to everybody's equal in this country
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I am announcing that Conservatives will introduce legislation to amend the criminal code
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and restore the value of Canadian citizenship by ending the practice of judges considering
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a non-citizen's immigration status in sentencing. Since 2013, a Supreme Court ruling has permitted
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judges to consider immigration status when sentencing. This has been seen in several recent high-profile
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cases. For example, a permanent resident received a conditional sentence after being convicted of trying
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to purchase sexual services from a 15-year-old, as a stronger penalty would have hindered him and his
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wife from obtaining Canadian citizenship. Another non-citizen in Canada on a visitor's permit was
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convicted twice of groping an 18-year-old woman's genitals at a bar, yet received a discharge to avoid
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a permanent criminal record and to allow for an appeal of their deportation. Anyone seeking residence or
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citizenship in Canada has responsibilities as well as rights. When it comes to sentencing non-citizens,
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Canada has essentially adopted a form of two-tier justice where judges can and have given lighter
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sentences to individuals who are non-citizens by virtue of this ruling. This offends all principles
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of fairness that should be foundational to our justice system. This is why once the House of Commons
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resumes this fall, Conservatives will introduce legislation to amend the Criminal Code to rectify
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this issue. Our bill will add a section after Section 718.202 of the Criminal Code, which will expressly outline
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that any potential impact of a sentence on the immigration status of a convicted non-citizen offender
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or that of their family members should not be taken into consideration by a judge when issuing a sentence.
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I like that. Very good. That's what Pierpaglia needs to stick to. Common sense legislation fighting back on
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the insanity of liberal policies and practices. Now, without further ado, let's do our interview with
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Marty Moore. I hope you all enjoy it. Welcome back to another episode of Stand on Guard. I'm your host,
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David Creighton, and it's my real pleasure to have Marty Moore on the show. He's one of the lawyers with the
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Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. And you know we've had John Carpe on in the past,
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and Marty is one of the team working for freedom as a lawyer. And it's nice to have you on the show,
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Marty. Thanks for being here. Thank you, David. It's my privilege to be on the team.
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Well, I wanted to talk about this issue here, if we could start. And I've been covering this for the last
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couple of days. And I covered it yesterday morning. And I find this whole thing just absolutely
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astounding. And I think you referred to them, if I look at your ex post here, politicians are copycats.
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I love that. To see one political leader getting away with something, they tend to follow. Politicians
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need to be held accountable for violating Canadians' freedoms to prevent copycats. Now, I've done a lot of
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work in the last couple of days on this file, because I'm absolutely astounded. Once again,
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there's a red Tory Premier, Tim Houston from Nova Scotia at the forefront of this, as well as a
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liberal from New Brunswick, Premier Sue Holt, who's into this. And of course, on the periphery,
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we have Premier John Hogan from Newfoundland, who, so far, his ban is just on setting fires in the
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woods. But that's how it started in Nova Scotia. It was just a ban on fire. And they escalated this.
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Let's see if I can find this here. You know, they've escalated it. Yeah. They escalated it from ban on
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fires to now it's a ban on hiking in the woods. And I just found this almost emblematic of the
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way Canada is going. It's we're becoming like what's happening in Keir Starmer's Britain,
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where we're losing basic freedoms. In Britain, they've lost the basic freedom of speech
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to, you know, the online safety act. In Canada, we've lost something I think we're if whether you
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grow up in Nova Scotia or British Columbia, where I did, a walk in the woods, it's something we almost
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consider a sacred constitutional right. And when governments step in and say, sorry, you can't
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even hike in the woods, because you might set a fire. I'm very aghast at that. I mean, how do you
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how do you even begin to describe this kind of authoritarian, bureaucratic action?
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Well, in my view, David, it's anti-human. The idea that citizens can't go for a walk in the woods when
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it is acknowledged by, for example, Premier Holt, that walking in the woods has no connection
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to a risk of fires. They they acknowledge that yet they still impose this ban on people walking in
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the woods. Why are they doing that? And I saw a tweet by Andrew Coyne, you know, saying, well,
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there is no sacred right to walking as if that needs to be a limit, you know, expressly outlined in the
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charter. There's something called liberty. And your liberty interest is your freedom to go and move
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about without the government penning you in. But you know, 50% of the land in in New Brunswick,
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for example, is public land, you're not allowed to set foot on that land now. So you know, 50% of the
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land is off limits to you as a tax paying citizen of New Brunswick. And in Nova Scotia, you can't even go
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to your neighbor's house and walk through their woods because the private land is also covered
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by the ban in Nova Scotia. And so yes, the the concept of liberty extends that far. But even broader,
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you expect your government to act reasonably, that is the basic baseline of this and this ban on people
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walking in the woods doesn't even pass that deferential standard, just be reasonable. And you know,
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good on Premier Hogan there in Newfoundland for not being a copycat, at least yet, and we hope he
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doesn't get there. It may have something to do with the different attitude of Newfoundlanders. I work
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with Newfoundlanders in the oil field. And I tell you, if something was offside, and it was too early in
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the morning for that, they would say so. And maybe that's a little bit of the pushback that Hogan's getting.
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Unfortunately, for our friends in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, their premiers are treating them
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in an anti human way. This, this is not something that promotes human flourishing,
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it has no connection to a fire risk. But rather, it's treating people as the problem, generally not
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treating arsonist as a problem. Arson is the number one cause of fires in Nova Scotia. But we're not
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talking about that. We're not talking about, let's spot an arsonist. Let's watch out for those people
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that have some sort of agenda to start these fires. No, we're talking about how everybody has to stay
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out of the woods. We all have to come together and not do activities. Where have we heard that before
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with a similar logical basis? Well, that's, that's a very good question.
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And of course, you look at this, this scene here, really, a picture is worth a thousand words.
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Here they've, they've got this yellow taped up barricaded like this, it's a murder scene.
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And, and maybe it is a murder scene. It's the, it's the killing of our individual freedom in this
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country, just another nail in the coffin. I found this to be a fascinating picture, because of course,
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you'll see these all over the place. But you, you mentioned something which I think is quite,
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quite interesting in terms of why are the governments, the provincial governments and not
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the federal government ever talking about arson? Because every time we have these wildfires,
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there's always concurrent arrests of arsonists. And if you look at the figures, the numbers,
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arson is by far the Lord, the, the most notable cause of fires. And so is lightning. There's actually
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no distinction on, on the, on the statistics that says climate change did this. But that,
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of course, is what we hear constantly. Every time we have wildfires, it's, it's just so horrible,
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and it's going to get worse. And this is the new normal. We hear this from the mainstream media,
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preaching this message of climate change equals wildfires, climate change equals wildfires. Just
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remember that and no sacrifice is too great to stop this. And, and we have to always, always remember
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that. But it's interesting, I was looking at a, a slide this morning, the worst year ever for wildfires
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in Canada was not 2025, 2024, 2023, even though the media likes to say never been worse. 1989 was the
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worst year for, for wildfires. And it was virtually twice as bad as it's been in the last couple of
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years where we're told this is an epidemic of wildfires. It's just, it's never been worse.
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We're living on hell, a planet from hell. So is there, is there a political reason? Well, I mean,
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it's an obvious rhetorical question. Is there a, is there a political reason we don't hear
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governments talking much about arson, even though the police continue to arrest arson suspects every
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time we have wildfires? Well, yeah, I mean, to your point, David, you know, 2023 numbers for Nova
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Scotia, the number one cause of fires in that, what was a bad fire year in Nova Scotia, 53 for arson.
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And, uh, not like you don't even see a lightning strike on that list. Yeah. Spontaneous combustion
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is what had had apparently won. So we don't know exactly what that was, but, uh, you know, campfires
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caused 13, but 53 from arson. Uh, that's, that's giving you an indication of, of what the cause was,
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but do you know what they did to amend their forest fire act in light of the 53 fires caused by arson
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in 2024, Nova Scotia amended their forest, uh, act to, to address that, that the leading cause
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of concern. And do you know what they, they caught? They, they did. They, they, they imposed a deep
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penalty for arson. Didn't they, David? Oh no, they didn't David. They amended their forest act to say
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that the purpose of this act is to fight forest fires in a quote, changing climate. So in light
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of their data, which was 53 fires set by arson in Nova Scotia, their response was climate change.
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And so if you can follow that logic, you're, you're doing exactly what they want you to do. And of
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course we can see the, the criminal justice system in this country, which is severely broken. Uh,
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we've been, and, and even, uh, tomorrow we have another, uh, freedom convoy trial going on again,
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because of course that's where we need to dedicate the prosecution resources of this country.
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But in Saskatchewan, a gentleman who started intentionally 30 fires, uh, and he was a member
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of the volunteer fire department there in Saskatchewan, he was convicted. Uh, and, and guess what
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he got for a penalty, David, was it, was it the eight years in jail they want to put Chris Barber
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away for, or was it, oh no, no jail time, a hundred or 200 hours of community service and 18 months
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of probation. And, and it's all good. That is how we treat 30 intentionally set fires. And, and we're
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saying, and a CBC, uh, story yesterday had, had, had myself, uh, speaking on this issue. And, and the
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response was from a fire chief who said, well, desperate times call for desperate measures, David.
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Oh, desperate. What are you so desperate about? Are you desperate to stop forest fires? Or is there
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a desperation to justify a climate change power grab? And you mentioned the United Kingdom, David,
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they've lost other liberties as well. You know, you drive a car in the United Kingdom, you drive it in
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the wrong way in the wrong spot while those cameras will catch you and they'll, they'll make sure that
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you get that, that extra fee and fine in the mail. Well, if the logic of banning people in the woods
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applies, oh, that's going to apply a lot more to you driving your car, David. That'll apply to, well,
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there's not enough first responders to help David. We are in a time of emergency. You can't go in the
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forest because there's not enough first responders. Oh, well, we can't allow you to drive your car,
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David. There's not enough first responders to make sure that you can be safe if you happen
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to have a car accident. Oh, well, there's a risk if you drive your car. Well, guess what? There's
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a lot more risk from driving your car than walking through the forest. This is a safetyism culture
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leaning towards totalitarian control and it's not justified and it needs to be challenged. And that's
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what we're doing. Well, thank, thank God for that because you guys are always front and center
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challenging the insanity of Canadian law and legislation right now. But as soon as I heard
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Premier Holt talk about, well, I know a lot of you people think this is silly, making a correlation
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between starting fires and hiking in the woods. But get this, the real reason is we won't have a first
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responder for you when you break your leg walking in the woods. My first thought was I have a better
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chance of breaking my leg walking through the Ottawa downtown market because it's becoming so violent
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than I do taking a hike on the Trans-Canada Trail here in town. I found it absolutely incredible,
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but it reminded me of something. I'm sure it reminded you of something. During COVID, we were constantly
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being lectured that if we didn't follow the lockdowns, we didn't follow the mandates, we didn't
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get our vaccine, then we deserved whatever came our way. And you want to go to the hospital? Sorry,
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hospitals aren't for people who don't follow the rules. And I thought the same. Do you see the
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correlation here between what's going on with this latest bit of insanity and what went on for
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two or three years under the COVID pandemic? The correlation is certainly there. The lack of logic,
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the lack of any appeal to reason, David, but rather this appeal to fear. If you look at Tim Houston
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there in Nova Scotia, he's really animating that fear. He's got his suit jacket off. He is dialed in
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that pressing your fear buttons. And by the way, it's a $25,000 fine. And then we will get these fines
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out there. There's going to be a zero tolerance policy. That's not the way a country that respects
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the foundation of individual rights and liberties that our charter protects acts. We have this idea that
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we don't have to justify our actions to you. We just have to cause you to fear, either fear a forest fire
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and some, some crazy risk of forest fire, because it's never been this bad. And, and you can't dare
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walk in the woods, or you are not doing your part to keep your neighbors safe, or we'll fear the
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punishment and we'll make sure you get that punishment in full. Fear is not the way you govern in a free
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society. But that is exactly the use that they're doing right now in this, quite frankly, a climate
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change paragraph. I don't see any way other to, to describe this. And it's also just bizarre to look
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at, you know, the Canadian commentariat, the main stream here, freaking out that there's people in
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Canada that actually understand that rights and liberties are there to be respected by government,
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and government shouldn't be interfering with people's personal decisions, unless they have a
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good basis for doing so. You know, it doesn't matter the color blue, red, orange, or pink, it doesn't
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matter. Whatever the team color is, the idea that you're violating the liberties and freedoms of
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Canadians should be a universal concern for Canadians. And there's a lot of people talking out there like,
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oh, no, it's, we are the problem by raising the concern. As if I mean, this, our client,
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Jeff Evely, you know, here's a veteran, 20 years, dedicated to defending Canadian freedoms to
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serving his country. And they're acting as if he's the problem for respectfully getting a ticket.
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He challenged this similar type of lockdown in 2023, when he was prohibited from going from the to the
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forest and the courts wouldn't hear it. They'll hear it now for sure though. And we look forward to
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representing Mr. Evely in court, challenging these ridiculous and unreasonable restrictions in his
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province. Well, I'm glad to hear that. You also brought up my, my good friend, Chris Barber,
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who has gone through, of course, three years of lawfare and three years of hell. And when I listened to
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the Crown describe Chris Barber at his sentencing hearing, which went on for a couple of days,
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I thought, it's like they think he's a terrorist. This is how they're describing this man. A man who
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cooperated with police was incredibly positive in his peaceful protesting, didn't destroy a single
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piece of public or private property, didn't break a window, didn't occupy a government building,
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didn't illegally enter anyone's premises, didn't start any fires. And yet he's being treated almost
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like a terrorist. And, and yet you, you, you talked about this, this accused fire bug. And I think
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the same, the same province, who is accused of setting 30 fires, and hey, you know, maybe it's
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just a problem he has. And let's, let's not be too hard on him, because after all, he's a firefighter,
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who perhaps likes to be close to fires. Maybe that's the recent fire business. But I find this,
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this double standard to be not just, not just unsettling, but so tragic. And it's almost like I see
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in this today. And we'll get to Sean Foyt in a second, because that was the other thing
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that told me this country is in such serious danger, I don't know if we can get out of it.
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But did you find that juxtaposition of Chris Barber potentially losing his truck?
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Chris Barber that I found fascinating, because as bad as eight years for peaceful protesting is,
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for a provincial government to insist on taking somebody's livelihood, taking his truck away,
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simply be simply to be vindictive, there's no other reason for it, is to me, almost the death knell of
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freedom in this country. I mean, were you shocked with that, that particular
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the ruse, if you will, on the part of the Crown Council?
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Yeah, not terribly shocked. But you know, it does underlie or highlight maybe the broader issue here,
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which is our public conversation on these points. There's a narrative that was spun and as artfully
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woven as possible with absolutely no relationship to the facts regarding the Freedom Convoy.
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And the media, if they weren't the cause of it, they were the absolute essential part of it. You
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don't have the media description of the Freedom Convoy as some lawless, hateful, bigoted, whatever,
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name your problem, put it on the Freedom Convoy and describe it to the general public sitting at home.
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That's what the media did about them. And so if that narrative is out there, then the prosecutors
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unhinged rant against the Freedom Convoy somehow has some some bring to it. You're there in Ottawa,
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others like Rupa Subramania, honest actors in the media are able to say this is you're not speaking the
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truth. And there's so many people in the media that went along with that. And then yes, we get to
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an intentional arsonist in Saskatchewan. And you know what the media story says?
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Well, David, the reason why, you know, we're only giving him 200 hours of community service and 18
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months of probation, it was a mentally challenging time for him of some, you know, we don't know what
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the mental challenges. Well, how about the Freedom Convoy? These people lost their jobs, their livelihoods,
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and the federal government after three years of relying on truckers is now saying, oh, yeah,
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we're gonna, we're gonna force you guys to get vaccinated or not continue to haul the life giving
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materials you do across the border every day. And we wonder how is the mental? How is that mental
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load on Canadians? Would we expect them to be protesting? I mean, we would turn a blind eye to
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all sorts of other causes doing violent protests in riot. But here's a group doing peaceful protests.
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And yes, we have to brand them as some sort of terrorists to the good citizens of Ottawa.
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Um, you're, you're right to pick up on that, uh, faulty, uh, narrative structure, but it is a
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media narrative. It is not in line with the facts. And that's a danger when our society does not act
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on the facts, but rather acts on the fear-based narratives that they're being fed by the media.
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Well, I couldn't have, couldn't have put it better. And I was struck by the fact that the same week
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as the, the Freedom Convoy sentencing hearing was going on with, uh, Chris Barber and Tamara Leach,
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we also had a visit to Canada from somebody I wasn't even familiar with. I'm, I'm perhaps vaguely
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familiar with Sean Voight, but I certainly wasn't that aware of his activity. Though I wasn't aware of
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his campaign entitled Let Us Worship, which, which is a church pushback to the conditioning
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evangelical Christians, especially, and conservative Catholics received during the
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pandemic. They were told essentially by police, mayors, governments, authorities,
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don't go to church. And if you do, we'll arrest you. And pastors don't minister to your flock or we'll
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arrest you and we'll put you in jail. And I think of Arthur Palowski, uh, who was,
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was not basically, was treated like a terrorist. He was put in a maximum security prison
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and treated like he was a dangerous felon. And this is what the churches have been conditioned to.
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So Sean Voight comes to Canada and it's like his worst nightmare about Canada comes true. He's denied
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access to public facilities to a public forum in six Canadian cities. When he goes to churches,
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those churches are harassed. The police enter the churches, try to frighten people out. They borrow
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the doors. In Montreal, a Spanish Catholic church has to pay $2,500 for hosting an evangelist slash
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musician. And I don't know if I've ever heard another instance of this in Canada, where a church,
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and I'm an evangelical, I've gone to church most of my life. I'm not aware of any church,
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evangelical, mainline, Protestant, or Catholic, that has to pay a fine when they invite somebody
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to come to their church to minister and to sing or play instruments. And the funny thing is, of course,
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Sean Voight, if you watch the videos, not just of his previous concerts throughout the world,
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but the ones he did in Canada, there's no politics at all. It resembles what I've seen for most of my
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life going to church on Sunday morning. And I was absolutely furious at the treatment this man received.
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And this happened the same week as the Crown had the indecency to describe Chris Barber and Tamera
00:27:54.500
Leach as hardened criminals who did outrageous things. And I thought, my God, we've lost not
00:28:03.540
only our freedom of speech, our freedom of assembly, but now it looks like we're losing our freedom of
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religion again. And I just, I think you've got a, I think this is your post. Yeah, you said,
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Canadians are standing up pushing back against government censorship. I am privileged to lead a
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team of lawyers across Canada funded by a JCC of Canada. Our team is working with the organizers of
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the Sean Voight events to hold the government entities who canceled these events, these event
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bookings accountable. Court cases are coming. So I guess the two-prong question is, were you outraged over
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how Sean Voight was treated by mayors, cities, authorities, Parks Canada? The list goes on and on.
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And I think, I think the Parks Canada really is the linchpin in all this. I think, I think that's where
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some of these direction, direction was coming from. And secondly, how do you plan to counteract this?
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And will, will this be started or has this started and, or will it be started in time for his,
00:29:09.780
his return? Sean Voight's return to Canada on August 20th, where he will be appearing somewhere
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in Winnipeg. He's not sure the last time I talked to him, I interviewed him last week.
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Well, this is certainly a, an incredible situation. The background context here is, is Sean Voight's not
00:29:31.220
been coming to Canada to do any sort of political rallies at all. It's rather a Canadian group of
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artists and musicians and worship leaders, is so blessed by Sean Voight's worship music. And they
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have organized a tour across the country to provide free family-friendly concerts that people can just
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walk to in their city. And they did this before without any incident. People loved it. I've talked to
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people I know in Calgary that went last time it came through, just loved it right in the downtown
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of Calgary. And then you went to Halifax and you had MPs and politicians going after Parks Canada to
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cancel that booking in Halifax. Not because the event would be dangerous, not because any of the songs
00:30:19.540
are offensive. I mean, I, I realized I actually had one of these CDs given to me what, like 10 years ago,
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you know, just beautiful background, worship music, not nothing offensive at all. And, uh, and yet
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these MPs are going after the federal government to cancel the booking and the federal government
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cancels that booking based on safety concerns. Here's that word again, David, it's a safety concerns
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because, oh yeah, we'll always take away your freedoms and liberties for some reason. What's the easiest
00:30:51.780
reason to turn to safety and it's safety about what you, you, you want to stand and sit and listen
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to a worship music going on in a park, or is it something entirely different that they're dealing
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with? And, you know, across the country, I remember that night in Montreal, uh, being on the phone when,
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when the Montreal police were trying to shut down and threaten this church from having a worship
00:31:18.420
service, they had communion, they had people come up and, and, and pray in that service. And here,
00:31:24.900
the police are out there warning them that this is against the rules. And, and I mean, we, we had
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defense lawyers standing by in Montreal that night, ready to, to intervene should anything go further.
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Thankfully, the police stayed back, but then again, at the obvious direction of the mayor, find that
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church, just crazy. The democracy fund is, is taking that case. And, and, you know, this across the
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country, as, as we've continued to work with the organizers, you see a real tension. Do any governments
00:31:59.540
in Canada respect Canadians fundamental freedoms, which includes the right to hear a concert of your
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choice? Can you imagine, you know, you have, have a concert, you know, playing downtown and, and the
00:32:12.820
mayor of the city says, well, you know, I, I heard that that guy once tweeted out something that I
00:32:17.140
didn't like. So no, no, we're not going to allow, you know, name country music star to come and perform
00:32:23.220
in this city. Cause he wants tweeted something in support of a politician. I don't like that's,
00:32:28.820
that's the level of discourse we're right now having in Canada, where, uh, the city of Abbotsford
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canceled, Winnipeg canceled. We're very closely working, uh, in regard to Saskatoon and West Kelowna
00:32:42.980
right now, uh, as you might know, this Edmonton, clearly, uh, the government of Alberta, which has the
00:32:50.580
venue there at the legislative grounds actually has shown respect for freedom of expression. Also actually
00:32:56.260
to give, give her due, uh, the mayor of Saskatoon said, look, and she said a lot of things that
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aren't kind and aren't a proper, et cetera, of a very interesting nature against Sean Foyt.
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But when it came down to it, she says, well, we do have freedom of expression in this country and we
00:33:13.460
have to respect the rule of law. Well, that is all we ask of our politicians, isn't it? Respect our rights
00:33:19.140
and respect the rule of law. And if a politician can't live up to that, whether it's Montreal or
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Vaughn or Quebec city or the federal government, you know, they need to be held accountable. I have
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a team of lawyers right now that are reviewing these cases. Uh, we have sent out letters, uh,
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to each of these municipalities saying, preserve your records because we'll be needing those.
00:33:40.820
Excellent. Excellent. And you, you mentioned the fact that safety is always used as the
00:33:45.540
justification for this. I can't recall any government at the minute municipal, provincial,
00:33:51.220
or general level ever worried about the safety of children at gay pride parades when you have half
00:33:58.020
naked or sometimes fully naked men walking around. And these people would be arrested in any other
00:34:04.820
context, any other form, but it's okay. This is a politically protected group here, so they can do that.
00:34:12.500
And we don't need to be worried about the safety of children in that context.
00:34:15.780
Right. Well, David, just to jump on that point, sorry for the interruption, but yeah, it's safety,
00:34:25.060
but also community standards, David. We haven't seen community standards raised in this country for
00:34:30.100
quite a long time. You might remember obscenity debates and all of those things, but now in Vaughn,
00:34:35.940
we must talk about community standards, David, and juxtaposing those two, uh, public events, you know,
00:34:41.460
bring your family to the pride parade, but don't you bring your family to this worship concert because
00:34:45.860
we have community standards in Canada. Well, I don't think that's a debate they really want to have.
00:34:52.500
What are community standards? And if that's somehow a limitation on the ability of a worship
00:34:57.540
concert to proceed, we are really in a weird and a backward situation. There's some oxymoronic
00:35:04.820
statements being made. I mean, what you, you reminded me, of course, of journalism school.
00:35:12.820
And when you go through the history of censorship in Canada, community standards is really where it
00:35:18.820
ended up in terms of anything being suppressed. If, if it was grossly over the community standards,
00:35:25.540
and then it was seen to have, there was a judicial reason for perhaps repressing that event.
00:35:31.860
And of course you're exactly right. Where are the communities here? It's not even, it's not even
00:35:39.300
mentioned in, in this debate. And it hasn't been for, I don't know how long, but that's, that's an
00:35:46.340
excellent point. And I just found, I just found the whole response to be incredible, but I was, you know,
00:35:54.100
I was thinking at the time, especially in Ottawa here, or just outside of Ottawa, he, he was supposed,
00:36:00.260
Sean was supposed to perform in Gatineau, and the Gatineau Park. And of course, Parks Canada
00:36:06.980
interfered immediately. And I thought, well, who's in charge of Parks Canada? Of course, it's the
00:36:13.700
Minister of Canadian Identity, Stephen Gilbo, the radical environmental activist, who's in true,
00:36:21.380
who was, who was in Trudeau's cabinet, and now in Mark Carney's cabinet. So I don't, for a minute,
00:36:27.140
doubt Stephen Gilbo was issuing edicts, commands, directives during, during this whole process.
00:36:35.940
And that's what makes it all scarier, is that we have this sort of woke network from the federal
00:36:42.100
government down to mayors, especially the woke mayor of Montreal, Valerie and Plante, who,
00:36:49.860
of course, is the one who fined the church. Outrageous. The whole, the whole episode was
00:36:55.780
outrageous. I'm so glad people are pushing back. And I'm a hundred percent behind what
00:37:01.540
Sean is doing with Let Us Worship, because churches in Canada put up with far too much.
00:37:08.180
And I think it's, it's time to push back. But we see, I think this isn't, this is the lesson for me,
00:37:13.140
Marty, because churches did not push back, you know, in a, in a large degree, including some of
00:37:18.900
the largest churches in Canada, and, and the, and the largest churches in Canada are evangelical church,
00:37:24.580
charismatic churches in Calgary, Vancouver, Ottawa, yes, there's a, there's a church in Ottawa.
00:37:30.820
None of them really pushed back. They just said, okay, okay, well, you know, we won't have services,
00:37:36.180
and okay, well, we'll, we'll mask up and everybody will be 10 feet apart. And yes, we'll do what you
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say, government, because that's what we have to do. Because the church has accepted that,
00:37:47.860
we're getting this right now. And now, now this, this is a dangerous legal precedent. I, and I'm not,
00:37:54.820
I'm no lawyer, but I think I'm smart enough to see this. When you fine a church $2,500 for hosting
00:38:02.820
an event, a spiritual event, a religious event, that's a dangerous precedent. And any city can
00:38:10.180
now follow through and said, hey, the mayor of Montreal got away with it. Why can't I? Because
00:38:14.980
I don't like these Christians in my, in my city. They, they make me feel guilty. They make me feel
00:38:20.420
like maybe I'm wrong about my personal philosophy. So I just want them suppressed. So you think, do you
00:38:25.940
think that's a dangerous legal precedent here? Well, I think it's a dangerous political precedent for sure.
00:38:30.980
And we got to make sure that the legal precedent pushes back against this political idea that you
00:38:36.500
can stop worship services from going on within a church. And I think it's important for the Canadian
00:38:42.900
community at large to kind of step back from the situation as well. We were not dealing with
00:38:47.860
political rallies by Sean Foyt. We were not dealing with some sort of mega rally being held in a federal
00:38:55.300
facility, although that would also be protected by freedom of expression. All we were dealing with
00:39:03.380
is a worship concert organized by a Canadian society of artists and music to Canada to perform
00:39:12.100
his worship music in Canada for free. That's what we're dealing with. And if that can be stopped,
00:39:17.700
if that can be censored, there's nothing that religious communities in Canada could do that's
00:39:24.740
less offensive than that. So really we're dealing with, is there any space in the public square
00:39:31.860
for the public practice of religious faith? I actually dealt with a similar issue in Toronto
00:39:38.580
about 10 years ago, where they tried to cancel a concert in Yonge and Dundas Square that had been
00:39:42.900
there for years and years. And the city officials said, well, you can't sing the song that there's no
00:39:48.340
God like Jehovah. That's offensive. And there was nothing that could be done until we fought back
00:39:55.460
against that. We fought back and we made a mock of it in the press as well. So, I mean, we recorded the
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the city's statements and they were saying, well, you're proselytizing by singing and you can't
00:40:09.060
proselytize in this country. Just complete, um, asinine comments in a free society. Of course,
00:40:16.340
you can share your faith in Canada. That is exactly what the freedom of religion allows you to do.
00:40:20.820
The freedom of thought, opinion and belief and expression. You can have a religious debate
00:40:24.660
in Yonge and Dundas Square. And, you know, eventually, uh, it became such a public issue
00:40:30.740
that a media reporter asked John Tory about it. And John Tory, the mayor at the time, you know, said,
00:40:36.340
no, that, that doesn't actually make sense. And maybe that's where we have to get to in Canada,
00:40:42.180
where we show that, Oh, this claim that we need to protect your safety and not allow you to walk
00:40:47.860
in the woods. Well, that's ridiculous. That's actually dumb. And this idea that you can't
00:40:53.380
sing a worship song in a public space in Canada, that's ridiculous. And if you can't do that,
00:40:58.900
you can't really do anything. None of the pride stuff, none of no other religious group can access
00:41:04.180
the public square. It is ridiculous to ban a worship concert. And for safety reasons,
00:41:10.180
like this stuff needs to be mocked. It needs to be shamed. And maybe Canadian society can
00:41:15.060
start to think for themselves because the media narrative, it's so thin on these issues. It
00:41:20.180
really is very thin and the values of fundamental freedoms in Canada. If we're going to let this thin
00:41:26.740
veneer that has been painted over them, be the excuse for taking
00:41:34.740
that can't stand, we need to pierce this and it needs to be pierced rather directly. And I appreciate
00:41:39.460
how you're doing that on your show, David. Well, I appreciate you saying that because
00:41:45.060
these are issues that are very important. They always have been. I guess my concluding
00:41:50.740
query is regarding teachers in the Ottawa area, Matt and Nicole Alexander. They are, of course, the
00:41:59.940
parents of Josh Alexander, who has been on this program and made national headlines by opposing,
00:42:09.220
objecting to boys using a girls' washroom at his Ottawa school. And he said it had nothing to do with
00:42:16.900
any kind of transgender phobia, but that the girls really object to it. And they needed a champion.
00:42:22.980
They needed somebody out there saying, stop this. Makes us feel uncomfortable. No kidding. And I
00:42:29.300
remember when this all started, you know, what we small-c conservatives called the bathroom bill
00:42:36.260
that came through the Trudeau government. That's exactly what we said it was going to happen,
00:42:41.140
that there were going to be massive incidents of men or teenagers pretending, thinking for a day or so
00:42:49.940
that they're female, using a woman's change room for simply for voyeuristic purposes, and making women
00:42:59.380
and girls feel uncomfortable. We knew this was going to be obvious, but of course, no, no, no,
00:43:04.500
this is never going to happen. But I was shocked to discover I got an email from Nicole Alexander early
00:43:12.180
this week or late last week, and she told me that she and her husband had been terminated as teachers
00:43:19.220
in Ottawa because they refused to, in her words, celebrate and affirm, quote, unquote,
00:43:26.740
LGBTQ issues with children as young as three. And I guess I shouldn't be surprised because this is a
00:43:35.140
tyranny. And of course, in Canada, we don't just have Pride Month, supposed to be June, we have Pride
00:43:42.660
season now. And every city in Canada seems to choose the different months to have their gay pride parade.
00:43:49.940
So you never really agree from celebrating this LGBTQ Holy Day, or Holy Month, or Holy Season.
00:43:59.540
But I know you're not personally involved in this case, but I know the Justice Center for
00:44:03.380
Constitutional Freedoms is fighting on behalf of Matt and Nicole. Matt will be on my show Friday to
00:44:10.980
discuss this matters. I just wanted to bring it up with you. What's the situation? And do you think
00:44:16.180
there's any feasibility of these two Christian leaders being reinstated as teachers? Do you think
00:44:23.940
this could be overturned? This is a very important case, David, and just kind of involved in managing
00:44:29.780
the team that's working directly with Matt and Nicole. You know, if you step back at this case,
00:44:36.900
and it hits me pretty directly as well, my dad's a school teacher, public school teacher as well.
00:44:42.180
And the issue here is, can you, as a person with a viewpoint that is traditional or non-promoting
00:44:54.420
of the LGBTQ ideology, and that has changed and morphed over the last little while, and in schools,
00:45:02.900
David, it's Pride season all year round. There is no time when it's not appropriate to promote
00:45:10.500
pride in public schools and even Catholic schools in this country. That is very clear from many of
00:45:16.020
the cases that I've been in, and don't you step out of line. So the question is, can you have
00:45:23.140
people with traditional values in public schools as teachers? That's what's really at stake here.
00:45:31.620
Or do you have to, as a public school teacher, embrace an ideological position?
00:45:37.700
And without saying anything pro or against this ideological position of LGBTQ ideology,
00:45:43.140
whatever it may be this year and whatever it may be next year, can you as a teacher just not
00:45:48.340
embrace those things and rather just teach your kids the basics of education that we set up these
00:45:54.340
schools to do and that they're taxpayer funded to do? That's the issue because it's quite clear if you
00:46:00.260
look at the situation with Matt and Nicole, and speaking from my own opinion here, that the school
00:46:07.060
district was looking for a reason to go after them. And they knew that they had this faith, they could
00:46:14.340
see it obviously being expressed in some ways through their son in a different school board,
00:46:20.260
the Catholic school board, and now Matt and Nicole were in the public school board. But there was a very
00:46:25.780
clear focus on Matt and Nicole, what could they do to get rid of these teachers who didn't align with
00:46:33.860
this ideological position that the school board was promoting? And, you know, if we're going to allow
00:46:42.260
school boards to promote ideological positions, which is a very, that's a different issue, but it's a
00:46:47.860
very worthwhile debate. If we're going to allow these school boards to promote these ideological
00:46:53.060
positions to children, shouldn't we at least respect the constitutional rights and freedoms of the
00:46:58.420
teachers in those schools to not participate in ideological indoctrination of children? And that's the
00:47:04.180
issue. There's no doubt, thanks to the Supreme Court of Canada's recent decision in 2024, that public
00:47:09.940
schools are government entities. And when they're a government entity, they have to have what's called
00:47:16.500
a duty of neutrality, they can't promote or hinder belief. Well, these ideological positions very much
00:47:22.500
amount to beliefs, especially in regard to the issues of gender and sexuality. And if they're hindering
00:47:29.620
beliefs, and more, refusing to accommodate religious difference, a teacher who does not
00:47:36.420
have the ability, pursuant to their faith, to endorse and promote these religious beliefs,
00:47:43.780
well then, they are very right to be in a position where the school board and the union itself is under
00:47:51.540
challenge for violating the religious freedoms of these teachers. There was a coalescence here,
00:47:56.900
the union of these teachers was going after the religious expression of their son,
00:48:02.660
while at the same time, supposed to be representing the interests of these teachers. And oh, now when
00:48:09.380
the union is going to make a grievance, they say, No, we're not going to advance a grievance on these
00:48:14.020
teachers who are clearly fired by the school board, in my view, for not promoting an ideological position
00:48:22.660
in schools. And so very concerning case, very important case, there's multiple angles that are
00:48:28.020
going on, there's human rights issues, there's freedom of religion issues. And there's also
00:48:33.140
this concept that in a unionized school environment, do you even have a right to raise your constitutional
00:48:39.060
questions and concerns when your government employer violates your religious freedoms?
00:48:43.940
According to the union, they can just stop it, carte blanche, and they don't have to advocate
00:48:48.420
for those issues. And for those rights of their members, obviously, because they don't agree with
00:48:54.580
those rights of their members, and they don't agree with the positions of their members. So there's a lot of
00:48:59.540
significant issues that affect affect a massive number of Canadians. Can you be a teacher in Canada
00:49:07.700
without promoting this government sponsored ideological position that would go counter to your beliefs of
00:49:15.460
conscience or your religious beliefs? That's the issue. Yes, that's, that's the issue is the bureaucratic
00:49:21.460
tyranny of school boards, unions, governments, all seeing the same eye to eye, seeing eye to eye on the
00:49:30.580
same issue here. So it's, it's, it's absolute tyranny. But I want to thank you for the work you're doing on
00:49:37.460
behalf of people like this, who are being absolutely targeted by the system, by governments, by unions,
00:49:46.820
by schools, and all those other people at the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms has always been
00:49:53.940
there to fend for, to fight for. And I think it's, it's so important. And I've, I've been a supporter of
00:50:00.100
your organization for many, many years, in many, many ways, actually. And I've always, always found
00:50:07.060
the work you do to be incredibly important and relevant to the political discourse in this country.
00:50:12.660
And you take on cases that are not just important, but I think are symbolic and emblematic of the
00:50:19.540
problems this country is facing, in terms of just having basic freedoms intact, leaving basic freedoms
00:50:26.820
attacks. So thank you for lending your, your eloquence and expertise to the broadcast today.
00:50:32.980
Marty, it's been a pleasure. And I know we'll, we'll, we'll have you back on some other issues,
00:50:37.780
but thank you for your time today. It has been a real pleasure.
00:50:40.260
Well, thank you, David. It's really a privilege as a lawyer, who's dedicated to defending the
00:50:45.460
constitutional rights and freedoms of Canadians to be able to work with the Justice Center support
00:50:49.940
to do that. Most lawyers don't have the opportunity that we have to defend Canadians pro
00:50:56.020
bono to stand up for what we really care about. And it's, it's really a privilege. And so thank
00:51:00.180
you for your support for the Justice Center. And thank you for talking about these issues as well,
00:51:04.420
because this really is an issue in the hearts and minds of Canadians, as well as in the courts.
00:51:10.900
Appreciate it. Once again, Marty, thank you and God bless and Godspeed.
00:51:15.460
That course was Marty Moore. Thank you for watching that interview. I think it was very
00:51:21.780
informative. I wanted to share one last thing with you here today, if I can find it here. This is a
00:51:33.300
This is Roger, Senator Roger Kuzner. I was at a friend's place last night. His wife put a cigarette
00:51:38.260
out in the fire pit before we went inside for dinner. Ten minutes later, we noticed the pit was a
00:51:42.660
full blaze. Innocent enough and incredibly dangerous. I support Premier Houston's call on this 100%.
00:51:47.220
100%. So what is he suggesting that everybody in the forest is lighting fires and just carelessly
00:52:00.820
leaving them places? Incredible. But anyway, thank you for watching today. I actually, I've got time.
00:52:09.860
I'm going to show you that show you the merchandise. I'll be back with some concluding.
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From Ottawa, this has been David Crichton broadcasting to you live.