Stand on Guard with David Krayden - Reclaiming Our Freedoms： Exposing Politicians' Lies w Lawyer Marty Moore ｜ Stand on Guard

00:00:00.000 back to another episode of Stand on Guard. This is your host, David Creighton, and I'm broadcasting

00:00:04.480 live from Ottawa. It's a pleasure to be here today. Hope you enjoy this interview with Marty

00:00:12.800 Moore. He's with the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. You've had

00:00:18.080 opportunities to listen to John Carpe, who's also with the JCCF. Marty has some really

00:00:25.080 interesting comments to make about a lot of different issues, and I think you're going

00:00:30.720 to like this. We'll be back in mere moments.

00:00:36.460 The Prime Minister lied and his minions continue to lie.

00:00:45.760 We need political change.

00:00:48.920 But we also need to resolve to resist.

00:01:02.240 Yes, please like the station, like the show, and subscribe if you haven't already. We're past

00:01:08.620 61,000, headed for a goal of 65 over the next week. I think we can do it if we keep doing

00:01:14.560 the right things. Really enjoy talking to Marty. We talked, of course, about the ban on hikes,

00:01:23.220 which the premiers in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia have installed, but then are trying

00:01:29.120 to justify in the most bizarre fashion. Is it going to come to Ontario? Well, Doug Ford,

00:01:34.460 of course, was a lockdown king during the COVID pandemic. But here's Doug Ford having his latest

00:01:41.180 breakdown. So I appreciate the question. Sorry, I'm getting a little passionate today about this

00:01:46.960 because that guy drives me crazy down south, I'll tell you. And 41 million other Canadians.

00:01:57.060 Well, Doug Ford drives me crazy. Here's a good thing. This is a private member's bill.

00:02:04.620 Care of Conservative MP from Calgary Nose Hill.

00:02:11.180 Michelle Rempel-Garner. I used to be in contact with Michelle quite a bit.

00:02:16.940 And I haven't really spoken to her for quite a while, but I think this is a great initiative.

00:02:21.260 And this is about equality under the law. And I think this could also be applied not just to

00:02:27.940 non-citizens. I find this incredible. But let's bring the playing field down so we're all equal 1.00

00:02:36.040 under the law. We don't have some groups are more equal than others. Some ethnicities, some races,

00:02:41.880 some genders have special status. Let's bring it all down to everybody's equal in this country

00:02:48.360 under the law. Here's Michelle. 1.00

00:02:50.760 I am announcing that Conservatives will introduce legislation to amend the criminal code

00:02:55.320 and restore the value of Canadian citizenship by ending the practice of judges considering

00:03:01.140 a non-citizen's immigration status in sentencing. Since 2013, a Supreme Court ruling has permitted

00:03:09.060 judges to consider immigration status when sentencing. This has been seen in several recent high-profile

00:03:15.060 cases. For example, a permanent resident received a conditional sentence after being convicted of trying

00:03:21.940 to purchase sexual services from a 15-year-old, as a stronger penalty would have hindered him and his

00:03:28.020 wife from obtaining Canadian citizenship. Another non-citizen in Canada on a visitor's permit was

00:03:34.740 convicted twice of groping an 18-year-old woman's genitals at a bar, yet received a discharge to avoid

00:03:41.620 a permanent criminal record and to allow for an appeal of their deportation. Anyone seeking residence or

00:03:48.500 citizenship in Canada has responsibilities as well as rights. When it comes to sentencing non-citizens,

00:03:55.460 Canada has essentially adopted a form of two-tier justice where judges can and have given lighter

00:04:01.700 sentences to individuals who are non-citizens by virtue of this ruling. This offends all principles

00:04:08.500 of fairness that should be foundational to our justice system. This is why once the House of Commons

00:04:14.260 resumes this fall, Conservatives will introduce legislation to amend the Criminal Code to rectify

00:04:19.220 this issue. Our bill will add a section after Section 718.202 of the Criminal Code, which will expressly outline

00:04:28.660 that any potential impact of a sentence on the immigration status of a convicted non-citizen offender

00:04:35.060 or that of their family members should not be taken into consideration by a judge when issuing a sentence.

00:04:40.580 I like that. Very good. That's what Pierpaglia needs to stick to. Common sense legislation fighting back on

00:04:51.620 the insanity of liberal policies and practices. Now, without further ado, let's do our interview with

00:04:58.580 Marty Moore. I hope you all enjoy it. Welcome back to another episode of Stand on Guard. I'm your host,

00:05:03.300 David Creighton, and it's my real pleasure to have Marty Moore on the show. He's one of the lawyers with the

00:05:09.060 Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. And you know we've had John Carpe on in the past,

00:05:13.620 and Marty is one of the team working for freedom as a lawyer. And it's nice to have you on the show,

00:05:20.340 Marty. Thanks for being here. Thank you, David. It's my privilege to be on the team.

00:05:26.500 Well, I wanted to talk about this issue here, if we could start. And I've been covering this for the last

00:05:32.180 couple of days. And I covered it yesterday morning. And I find this whole thing just absolutely

00:05:40.420 astounding. And I think you referred to them, if I look at your ex post here, politicians are copycats.

00:05:46.820 I love that. To see one political leader getting away with something, they tend to follow. Politicians

00:05:53.220 need to be held accountable for violating Canadians' freedoms to prevent copycats. Now, I've done a lot of

00:05:59.940 work in the last couple of days on this file, because I'm absolutely astounded. Once again,

00:06:08.180 there's a red Tory Premier, Tim Houston from Nova Scotia at the forefront of this, as well as a

00:06:15.620 liberal from New Brunswick, Premier Sue Holt, who's into this. And of course, on the periphery,

00:06:22.340 we have Premier John Hogan from Newfoundland, who, so far, his ban is just on setting fires in the

00:06:30.580 woods. But that's how it started in Nova Scotia. It was just a ban on fire. And they escalated this.

00:06:39.140 Let's see if I can find this here. You know, they've escalated it. Yeah. They escalated it from ban on

00:06:47.140 fires to now it's a ban on hiking in the woods. And I just found this almost emblematic of the

00:06:53.940 way Canada is going. It's we're becoming like what's happening in Keir Starmer's Britain,

00:07:02.580 where we're losing basic freedoms. In Britain, they've lost the basic freedom of speech

00:07:08.420 to, you know, the online safety act. In Canada, we've lost something I think we're if whether you

00:07:14.420 grow up in Nova Scotia or British Columbia, where I did, a walk in the woods, it's something we almost

00:07:21.540 consider a sacred constitutional right. And when governments step in and say, sorry, you can't

00:07:28.340 even hike in the woods, because you might set a fire. I'm very aghast at that. I mean, how do you

00:07:36.580 how do you even begin to describe this kind of authoritarian, bureaucratic action?

00:07:44.660 Well, in my view, David, it's anti-human. The idea that citizens can't go for a walk in the woods when

00:07:53.300 it is acknowledged by, for example, Premier Holt, that walking in the woods has no connection

00:07:59.220 to a risk of fires. They they acknowledge that yet they still impose this ban on people walking in

00:08:07.300 the woods. Why are they doing that? And I saw a tweet by Andrew Coyne, you know, saying, well,

00:08:12.420 there is no sacred right to walking as if that needs to be a limit, you know, expressly outlined in the

00:08:21.300 charter. There's something called liberty. And your liberty interest is your freedom to go and move

00:08:29.060 about without the government penning you in. But you know, 50% of the land in in New Brunswick,

00:08:36.100 for example, is public land, you're not allowed to set foot on that land now. So you know, 50% of the

00:08:41.780 land is off limits to you as a tax paying citizen of New Brunswick. And in Nova Scotia, you can't even go

00:08:48.260 to your neighbor's house and walk through their woods because the private land is also covered

00:08:53.220 by the ban in Nova Scotia. And so yes, the the concept of liberty extends that far. But even broader,

00:09:01.940 you expect your government to act reasonably, that is the basic baseline of this and this ban on people

00:09:10.980 walking in the woods doesn't even pass that deferential standard, just be reasonable. And you know,

00:09:18.260 good on Premier Hogan there in Newfoundland for not being a copycat, at least yet, and we hope he

00:09:26.340 doesn't get there. It may have something to do with the different attitude of Newfoundlanders. I work

00:09:32.340 with Newfoundlanders in the oil field. And I tell you, if something was offside, and it was too early in

00:09:37.860 the morning for that, they would say so. And maybe that's a little bit of the pushback that Hogan's getting.

00:09:43.700 Unfortunately, for our friends in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, their premiers are treating them

00:09:51.620 in an anti human way. This, this is not something that promotes human flourishing,

00:09:57.860 it has no connection to a fire risk. But rather, it's treating people as the problem, generally not

00:10:04.340 treating arsonist as a problem. Arson is the number one cause of fires in Nova Scotia. But we're not

00:10:10.180 talking about that. We're not talking about, let's spot an arsonist. Let's watch out for those people

00:10:15.380 that have some sort of agenda to start these fires. No, we're talking about how everybody has to stay

00:10:20.820 out of the woods. We all have to come together and not do activities. Where have we heard that before

00:10:25.460 with a similar logical basis? Well, that's, that's a very good question.

00:10:32.180 And of course, you look at this, this scene here, really, a picture is worth a thousand words.

00:10:39.140 Here they've, they've got this yellow taped up barricaded like this, it's a murder scene.

00:10:44.340 And, and maybe it is a murder scene. It's the, it's the killing of our individual freedom in this

00:10:49.700 country, just another nail in the coffin. I found this to be a fascinating picture, because of course,

00:10:55.220 you'll see these all over the place. But you, you mentioned something which I think is quite,

00:11:00.980 quite interesting in terms of why are the governments, the provincial governments and not

00:11:05.860 the federal government ever talking about arson? Because every time we have these wildfires,

00:11:11.540 there's always concurrent arrests of arsonists. And if you look at the figures, the numbers,

00:11:16.980 arson is by far the Lord, the, the most notable cause of fires. And so is lightning. There's actually

00:11:27.940 no distinction on, on the, on the statistics that says climate change did this. But that,

00:11:34.580 of course, is what we hear constantly. Every time we have wildfires, it's, it's just so horrible,

00:11:41.140 and it's going to get worse. And this is the new normal. We hear this from the mainstream media,

00:11:45.940 preaching this message of climate change equals wildfires, climate change equals wildfires. Just

00:11:53.540 remember that and no sacrifice is too great to stop this. And, and we have to always, always remember

00:12:00.420 that. But it's interesting, I was looking at a, a slide this morning, the worst year ever for wildfires

00:12:09.300 in Canada was not 2025, 2024, 2023, even though the media likes to say never been worse. 1989 was the

00:12:19.940 worst year for, for wildfires. And it was virtually twice as bad as it's been in the last couple of

00:12:26.260 years where we're told this is an epidemic of wildfires. It's just, it's never been worse.

00:12:30.980 We're living on hell, a planet from hell. So is there, is there a political reason? Well, I mean,

00:12:40.020 it's an obvious rhetorical question. Is there a, is there a political reason we don't hear

00:12:44.500 governments talking much about arson, even though the police continue to arrest arson suspects every

00:12:49.620 time we have wildfires? Well, yeah, I mean, to your point, David, you know, 2023 numbers for Nova

00:12:57.060 Scotia, the number one cause of fires in that, what was a bad fire year in Nova Scotia, 53 for arson.

00:13:05.460 And, uh, not like you don't even see a lightning strike on that list. Yeah. Spontaneous combustion

00:13:12.660 is what had had apparently won. So we don't know exactly what that was, but, uh, you know, campfires

00:13:18.580 caused 13, but 53 from arson. Uh, that's, that's giving you an indication of, of what the cause was,

00:13:26.340 but do you know what they did to amend their forest fire act in light of the 53 fires caused by arson

00:13:33.060 in 2024, Nova Scotia amended their forest, uh, act to, to address that, that the leading cause

00:13:40.980 of concern. And do you know what they, they caught? They, they did. They, they, they imposed a deep

00:13:45.940 penalty for arson. Didn't they, David? Oh no, they didn't David. They amended their forest act to say

00:13:51.620 that the purpose of this act is to fight forest fires in a quote, changing climate. So in light

00:13:57.940 of their data, which was 53 fires set by arson in Nova Scotia, their response was climate change.

00:14:06.420 And so if you can follow that logic, you're, you're doing exactly what they want you to do. And of

00:14:11.620 course we can see the, the criminal justice system in this country, which is severely broken. Uh,

00:14:17.540 we've been, and, and even, uh, tomorrow we have another, uh, freedom convoy trial going on again,

00:14:23.620 because of course that's where we need to dedicate the prosecution resources of this country.

00:14:27.940 But in Saskatchewan, a gentleman who started intentionally 30 fires, uh, and he was a member

00:14:34.660 of the volunteer fire department there in Saskatchewan, he was convicted. Uh, and, and guess what

00:14:41.460 he got for a penalty, David, was it, was it the eight years in jail they want to put Chris Barber

00:14:46.260 away for, or was it, oh no, no jail time, a hundred or 200 hours of community service and 18 months

00:14:53.460 of probation. And, and it's all good. That is how we treat 30 intentionally set fires. And, and we're

00:15:01.380 saying, and a CBC, uh, story yesterday had, had, had myself, uh, speaking on this issue. And, and the

00:15:08.500 response was from a fire chief who said, well, desperate times call for desperate measures, David.

00:15:14.980 Oh, desperate. What are you so desperate about? Are you desperate to stop forest fires? Or is there

00:15:22.420 a desperation to justify a climate change power grab? And you mentioned the United Kingdom, David,

00:15:30.660 they've lost other liberties as well. You know, you drive a car in the United Kingdom, you drive it in

00:15:35.860 the wrong way in the wrong spot while those cameras will catch you and they'll, they'll make sure that

00:15:40.420 you get that, that extra fee and fine in the mail. Well, if the logic of banning people in the woods

00:15:47.780 applies, oh, that's going to apply a lot more to you driving your car, David. That'll apply to, well,

00:15:54.260 there's not enough first responders to help David. We are in a time of emergency. You can't go in the

00:15:59.060 forest because there's not enough first responders. Oh, well, we can't allow you to drive your car,

00:16:03.220 David. There's not enough first responders to make sure that you can be safe if you happen

00:16:07.700 to have a car accident. Oh, well, there's a risk if you drive your car. Well, guess what? There's

00:16:13.220 a lot more risk from driving your car than walking through the forest. This is a safetyism culture

00:16:20.660 leaning towards totalitarian control and it's not justified and it needs to be challenged. And that's

00:16:27.620 what we're doing. Well, thank, thank God for that because you guys are always front and center

00:16:32.420 challenging the insanity of Canadian law and legislation right now. But as soon as I heard

00:16:40.660 Premier Holt talk about, well, I know a lot of you people think this is silly, making a correlation

00:16:48.580 between starting fires and hiking in the woods. But get this, the real reason is we won't have a first

00:16:56.900 responder for you when you break your leg walking in the woods. My first thought was I have a better

00:17:02.900 chance of breaking my leg walking through the Ottawa downtown market because it's becoming so violent

00:17:08.260 than I do taking a hike on the Trans-Canada Trail here in town. I found it absolutely incredible,

00:17:16.260 but it reminded me of something. I'm sure it reminded you of something. During COVID, we were constantly

00:17:21.940 being lectured that if we didn't follow the lockdowns, we didn't follow the mandates, we didn't

00:17:26.980 get our vaccine, then we deserved whatever came our way. And you want to go to the hospital? Sorry,

00:17:35.620 hospitals aren't for people who don't follow the rules. And I thought the same. Do you see the

00:17:41.860 correlation here between what's going on with this latest bit of insanity and what went on for

00:17:48.420 two or three years under the COVID pandemic? The correlation is certainly there. The lack of logic,

00:17:57.620 the lack of any appeal to reason, David, but rather this appeal to fear. If you look at Tim Houston

00:18:04.900 there in Nova Scotia, he's really animating that fear. He's got his suit jacket off. He is dialed in

00:18:13.540 that pressing your fear buttons. And by the way, it's a $25,000 fine. And then we will get these fines

00:18:21.380 out there. There's going to be a zero tolerance policy. That's not the way a country that respects

00:18:29.380 the foundation of individual rights and liberties that our charter protects acts. We have this idea that

00:18:37.860 we don't have to justify our actions to you. We just have to cause you to fear, either fear a forest fire

00:18:44.740 and some, some crazy risk of forest fire, because it's never been this bad. And, and you can't dare

00:18:50.980 walk in the woods, or you are not doing your part to keep your neighbors safe, or we'll fear the

00:18:56.740 punishment and we'll make sure you get that punishment in full. Fear is not the way you govern in a free

00:19:03.620 society. But that is exactly the use that they're doing right now in this, quite frankly, a climate

00:19:12.500 change paragraph. I don't see any way other to, to describe this. And it's also just bizarre to look

00:19:18.420 at, you know, the Canadian commentariat, the main stream here, freaking out that there's people in

00:19:25.940 Canada that actually understand that rights and liberties are there to be respected by government,

00:19:31.540 and government shouldn't be interfering with people's personal decisions, unless they have a

00:19:36.100 good basis for doing so. You know, it doesn't matter the color blue, red, orange, or pink, it doesn't

00:19:44.260 matter. Whatever the team color is, the idea that you're violating the liberties and freedoms of

00:19:49.620 Canadians should be a universal concern for Canadians. And there's a lot of people talking out there like,

00:19:56.500 oh, no, it's, we are the problem by raising the concern. As if I mean, this, our client,

00:20:04.020 Jeff Evely, you know, here's a veteran, 20 years, dedicated to defending Canadian freedoms to

00:20:11.060 serving his country. And they're acting as if he's the problem for respectfully getting a ticket.

00:20:17.140 He challenged this similar type of lockdown in 2023, when he was prohibited from going from the to the

00:20:23.860 forest and the courts wouldn't hear it. They'll hear it now for sure though. And we look forward to

00:20:28.740 representing Mr. Evely in court, challenging these ridiculous and unreasonable restrictions in his

00:20:36.580 province. Well, I'm glad to hear that. You also brought up my, my good friend, Chris Barber,

00:20:44.180 who has gone through, of course, three years of lawfare and three years of hell. And when I listened to

00:20:54.340 the Crown describe Chris Barber at his sentencing hearing, which went on for a couple of days,

00:21:01.700 I thought, it's like they think he's a terrorist. This is how they're describing this man. A man who

00:21:06.740 cooperated with police was incredibly positive in his peaceful protesting, didn't destroy a single

00:21:16.900 piece of public or private property, didn't break a window, didn't occupy a government building,

00:21:22.100 didn't illegally enter anyone's premises, didn't start any fires. And yet he's being treated almost

00:21:30.100 like a terrorist. And, and yet you, you, you talked about this, this accused fire bug. And I think

00:21:36.580 the same, the same province, who is accused of setting 30 fires, and hey, you know, maybe it's

00:21:42.500 just a problem he has. And let's, let's not be too hard on him, because after all, he's a firefighter,

00:21:48.660 who perhaps likes to be close to fires. Maybe that's the recent fire business. But I find this,

00:21:56.580 this double standard to be not just, not just unsettling, but so tragic. And it's almost like I see

00:22:05.860 in this today. And we'll get to Sean Foyt in a second, because that was the other thing

00:22:13.060 that told me this country is in such serious danger, I don't know if we can get out of it.

00:22:17.860 But did you find that juxtaposition of Chris Barber potentially losing his truck?

00:22:24.740 Chris Barber that I found fascinating, because as bad as eight years for peaceful protesting is,

00:22:32.820 for a provincial government to insist on taking somebody's livelihood, taking his truck away,

00:22:39.460 simply be simply to be vindictive, there's no other reason for it, is to me, almost the death knell of

00:22:47.140 freedom in this country. I mean, were you shocked with that, that particular

00:22:51.220 the ruse, if you will, on the part of the Crown Council?

00:22:57.460 Yeah, not terribly shocked. But you know, it does underlie or highlight maybe the broader issue here,

00:23:05.220 which is our public conversation on these points. There's a narrative that was spun and as artfully

00:23:13.940 woven as possible with absolutely no relationship to the facts regarding the Freedom Convoy.

00:23:19.540 And the media, if they weren't the cause of it, they were the absolute essential part of it. You

00:23:26.180 don't have the media description of the Freedom Convoy as some lawless, hateful, bigoted, whatever,

00:23:33.540 name your problem, put it on the Freedom Convoy and describe it to the general public sitting at home.

00:23:39.140 That's what the media did about them. And so if that narrative is out there, then the prosecutors

00:23:45.220 unhinged rant against the Freedom Convoy somehow has some some bring to it. You're there in Ottawa,

00:23:52.340 others like Rupa Subramania, honest actors in the media are able to say this is you're not speaking the

00:23:58.500 truth. And there's so many people in the media that went along with that. And then yes, we get to

00:24:05.300 an intentional arsonist in Saskatchewan. And you know what the media story says?

00:24:09.540 Well, David, the reason why, you know, we're only giving him 200 hours of community service and 18

00:24:15.620 months of probation, it was a mentally challenging time for him of some, you know, we don't know what

00:24:20.260 the mental challenges. Well, how about the Freedom Convoy? These people lost their jobs, their livelihoods,

00:24:24.980 and the federal government after three years of relying on truckers is now saying, oh, yeah,

00:24:29.780 we're gonna, we're gonna force you guys to get vaccinated or not continue to haul the life giving

00:24:35.220 materials you do across the border every day. And we wonder how is the mental? How is that mental

00:24:41.300 load on Canadians? Would we expect them to be protesting? I mean, we would turn a blind eye to

00:24:46.340 all sorts of other causes doing violent protests in riot. But here's a group doing peaceful protests.

00:24:51.940 And yes, we have to brand them as some sort of terrorists to the good citizens of Ottawa.

00:24:58.500 Um, you're, you're right to pick up on that, uh, faulty, uh, narrative structure, but it is a

00:25:05.380 media narrative. It is not in line with the facts. And that's a danger when our society does not act

00:25:12.100 on the facts, but rather acts on the fear-based narratives that they're being fed by the media.

00:25:18.500 Well, I couldn't have, couldn't have put it better. And I was struck by the fact that the same week

00:25:25.780 as the, the Freedom Convoy sentencing hearing was going on with, uh, Chris Barber and Tamara Leach,

00:25:33.300 we also had a visit to Canada from somebody I wasn't even familiar with. I'm, I'm perhaps vaguely

00:25:40.100 familiar with Sean Voight, but I certainly wasn't that aware of his activity. Though I wasn't aware of

00:25:46.500 his campaign entitled Let Us Worship, which, which is a church pushback to the conditioning

00:25:53.940 evangelical Christians, especially, and conservative Catholics received during the

00:25:59.060 pandemic. They were told essentially by police, mayors, governments, authorities,

00:26:04.020 don't go to church. And if you do, we'll arrest you. And pastors don't minister to your flock or we'll

00:26:08.900 arrest you and we'll put you in jail. And I think of Arthur Palowski, uh, who was,

00:26:15.140 was not basically, was treated like a terrorist. He was put in a maximum security prison

00:26:20.580 and treated like he was a dangerous felon. And this is what the churches have been conditioned to.

00:26:26.980 So Sean Voight comes to Canada and it's like his worst nightmare about Canada comes true. He's denied

00:26:33.380 access to public facilities to a public forum in six Canadian cities. When he goes to churches,

00:26:40.980 those churches are harassed. The police enter the churches, try to frighten people out. They borrow

00:26:45.620 the doors. In Montreal, a Spanish Catholic church has to pay $2,500 for hosting an evangelist slash

00:26:54.980 musician. And I don't know if I've ever heard another instance of this in Canada, where a church,

00:27:01.940 and I'm an evangelical, I've gone to church most of my life. I'm not aware of any church,

00:27:08.100 evangelical, mainline, Protestant, or Catholic, that has to pay a fine when they invite somebody

00:27:13.860 to come to their church to minister and to sing or play instruments. And the funny thing is, of course,

00:27:21.700 Sean Voight, if you watch the videos, not just of his previous concerts throughout the world,

00:27:28.980 but the ones he did in Canada, there's no politics at all. It resembles what I've seen for most of my

00:27:36.980 life going to church on Sunday morning. And I was absolutely furious at the treatment this man received.

00:27:45.940 And this happened the same week as the Crown had the indecency to describe Chris Barber and Tamera

00:27:54.500 Leach as hardened criminals who did outrageous things. And I thought, my God, we've lost not

00:28:03.540 only our freedom of speech, our freedom of assembly, but now it looks like we're losing our freedom of

00:28:09.460 religion again. And I just, I think you've got a, I think this is your post. Yeah, you said,

00:28:14.580 Canadians are standing up pushing back against government censorship. I am privileged to lead a

00:28:18.260 team of lawyers across Canada funded by a JCC of Canada. Our team is working with the organizers of

00:28:23.700 the Sean Voight events to hold the government entities who canceled these events, these event

00:28:30.500 bookings accountable. Court cases are coming. So I guess the two-prong question is, were you outraged over

00:28:40.100 how Sean Voight was treated by mayors, cities, authorities, Parks Canada? The list goes on and on.

00:28:50.100 And I think, I think the Parks Canada really is the linchpin in all this. I think, I think that's where

00:28:56.260 some of these direction, direction was coming from. And secondly, how do you plan to counteract this?

00:29:03.860 And will, will this be started or has this started and, or will it be started in time for his,

00:29:09.780 his return? Sean Voight's return to Canada on August 20th, where he will be appearing somewhere

00:29:15.540 in Winnipeg. He's not sure the last time I talked to him, I interviewed him last week.

00:29:22.660 Well, this is certainly a, an incredible situation. The background context here is, is Sean Voight's not

00:29:31.220 been coming to Canada to do any sort of political rallies at all. It's rather a Canadian group of

00:29:37.220 artists and musicians and worship leaders, is so blessed by Sean Voight's worship music. And they

00:29:44.260 have organized a tour across the country to provide free family-friendly concerts that people can just

00:29:52.180 walk to in their city. And they did this before without any incident. People loved it. I've talked to

00:29:57.620 people I know in Calgary that went last time it came through, just loved it right in the downtown

00:30:02.820 of Calgary. And then you went to Halifax and you had MPs and politicians going after Parks Canada to

00:30:11.540 cancel that booking in Halifax. Not because the event would be dangerous, not because any of the songs

00:30:19.540 are offensive. I mean, I, I realized I actually had one of these CDs given to me what, like 10 years ago,

00:30:25.860 you know, just beautiful background, worship music, not nothing offensive at all. And, uh, and yet

00:30:34.020 these MPs are going after the federal government to cancel the booking and the federal government

00:30:40.340 cancels that booking based on safety concerns. Here's that word again, David, it's a safety concerns

00:30:46.900 because, oh yeah, we'll always take away your freedoms and liberties for some reason. What's the easiest

00:30:51.780 reason to turn to safety and it's safety about what you, you, you want to stand and sit and listen

00:30:59.220 to a worship music going on in a park, or is it something entirely different that they're dealing

00:31:05.460 with? And, you know, across the country, I remember that night in Montreal, uh, being on the phone when,

00:31:11.780 when the Montreal police were trying to shut down and threaten this church from having a worship

00:31:18.420 service, they had communion, they had people come up and, and, and pray in that service. And here,

00:31:24.900 the police are out there warning them that this is against the rules. And, and I mean, we, we had

00:31:30.420 defense lawyers standing by in Montreal that night, ready to, to intervene should anything go further.

00:31:36.580 Thankfully, the police stayed back, but then again, at the obvious direction of the mayor, find that

00:31:43.060 church, just crazy. The democracy fund is, is taking that case. And, and, you know, this across the

00:31:50.660 country, as, as we've continued to work with the organizers, you see a real tension. Do any governments

00:31:59.540 in Canada respect Canadians fundamental freedoms, which includes the right to hear a concert of your

00:32:05.940 choice? Can you imagine, you know, you have, have a concert, you know, playing downtown and, and the

00:32:12.820 mayor of the city says, well, you know, I, I heard that that guy once tweeted out something that I

00:32:17.140 didn't like. So no, no, we're not going to allow, you know, name country music star to come and perform

00:32:23.220 in this city. Cause he wants tweeted something in support of a politician. I don't like that's,

00:32:28.820 that's the level of discourse we're right now having in Canada, where, uh, the city of Abbotsford

00:32:35.700 canceled, Winnipeg canceled. We're very closely working, uh, in regard to Saskatoon and West Kelowna

00:32:42.980 right now, uh, as you might know, this Edmonton, clearly, uh, the government of Alberta, which has the

00:32:50.580 venue there at the legislative grounds actually has shown respect for freedom of expression. Also actually

00:32:56.260 to give, give her due, uh, the mayor of Saskatoon said, look, and she said a lot of things that

00:33:02.340 aren't kind and aren't a proper, et cetera, of a very interesting nature against Sean Foyt.

00:33:08.580 But when it came down to it, she says, well, we do have freedom of expression in this country and we

00:33:13.460 have to respect the rule of law. Well, that is all we ask of our politicians, isn't it? Respect our rights

00:33:19.140 and respect the rule of law. And if a politician can't live up to that, whether it's Montreal or

00:33:24.100 Vaughn or Quebec city or the federal government, you know, they need to be held accountable. I have

00:33:29.060 a team of lawyers right now that are reviewing these cases. Uh, we have sent out letters, uh,

00:33:34.500 to each of these municipalities saying, preserve your records because we'll be needing those.

00:33:40.820 Excellent. Excellent. And you, you mentioned the fact that safety is always used as the

00:33:45.540 justification for this. I can't recall any government at the minute municipal, provincial,

00:33:51.220 or general level ever worried about the safety of children at gay pride parades when you have half

00:33:58.020 naked or sometimes fully naked men walking around. And these people would be arrested in any other

00:34:04.820 context, any other form, but it's okay. This is a politically protected group here, so they can do that.

00:34:12.500 And we don't need to be worried about the safety of children in that context.

00:34:15.780 Right. Well, David, just to jump on that point, sorry for the interruption, but yeah, it's safety,

00:34:25.060 but also community standards, David. We haven't seen community standards raised in this country for

00:34:30.100 quite a long time. You might remember obscenity debates and all of those things, but now in Vaughn,

00:34:35.940 we must talk about community standards, David, and juxtaposing those two, uh, public events, you know,

00:34:41.460 bring your family to the pride parade, but don't you bring your family to this worship concert because

00:34:45.860 we have community standards in Canada. Well, I don't think that's a debate they really want to have.

00:34:52.500 What are community standards? And if that's somehow a limitation on the ability of a worship

00:34:57.540 concert to proceed, we are really in a weird and a backward situation. There's some oxymoronic

00:35:04.820 statements being made. I mean, what you, you reminded me, of course, of journalism school.

00:35:12.820 And when you go through the history of censorship in Canada, community standards is really where it

00:35:18.820 ended up in terms of anything being suppressed. If, if it was grossly over the community standards,

00:35:25.540 and then it was seen to have, there was a judicial reason for perhaps repressing that event.

00:35:31.860 And of course you're exactly right. Where are the communities here? It's not even, it's not even

00:35:39.300 mentioned in, in this debate. And it hasn't been for, I don't know how long, but that's, that's an

00:35:46.340 excellent point. And I just found, I just found the whole response to be incredible, but I was, you know,

00:35:54.100 I was thinking at the time, especially in Ottawa here, or just outside of Ottawa, he, he was supposed,

00:36:00.260 Sean was supposed to perform in Gatineau, and the Gatineau Park. And of course, Parks Canada

00:36:06.980 interfered immediately. And I thought, well, who's in charge of Parks Canada? Of course, it's the

00:36:13.700 Minister of Canadian Identity, Stephen Gilbo, the radical environmental activist, who's in true,

00:36:21.380 who was, who was in Trudeau's cabinet, and now in Mark Carney's cabinet. So I don't, for a minute,

00:36:27.140 doubt Stephen Gilbo was issuing edicts, commands, directives during, during this whole process.

00:36:35.940 And that's what makes it all scarier, is that we have this sort of woke network from the federal

00:36:42.100 government down to mayors, especially the woke mayor of Montreal, Valerie and Plante, who,

00:36:49.860 of course, is the one who fined the church. Outrageous. The whole, the whole episode was

00:36:55.780 outrageous. I'm so glad people are pushing back. And I'm a hundred percent behind what

00:37:01.540 Sean is doing with Let Us Worship, because churches in Canada put up with far too much.

00:37:08.180 And I think it's, it's time to push back. But we see, I think this isn't, this is the lesson for me,

00:37:13.140 Marty, because churches did not push back, you know, in a, in a large degree, including some of

00:37:18.900 the largest churches in Canada, and, and the, and the largest churches in Canada are evangelical church,

00:37:24.580 charismatic churches in Calgary, Vancouver, Ottawa, yes, there's a, there's a church in Ottawa.

00:37:30.820 None of them really pushed back. They just said, okay, okay, well, you know, we won't have services,

00:37:36.180 and okay, well, we'll, we'll mask up and everybody will be 10 feet apart. And yes, we'll do what you

00:37:42.340 say, government, because that's what we have to do. Because the church has accepted that,

00:37:47.860 we're getting this right now. And now, now this, this is a dangerous legal precedent. I, and I'm not,

00:37:54.820 I'm no lawyer, but I think I'm smart enough to see this. When you fine a church $2,500 for hosting

00:38:02.820 an event, a spiritual event, a religious event, that's a dangerous precedent. And any city can

00:38:10.180 now follow through and said, hey, the mayor of Montreal got away with it. Why can't I? Because

00:38:14.980 I don't like these Christians in my, in my city. They, they make me feel guilty. They make me feel 1.00

00:38:20.420 like maybe I'm wrong about my personal philosophy. So I just want them suppressed. So you think, do you

00:38:25.940 think that's a dangerous legal precedent here? Well, I think it's a dangerous political precedent for sure.

00:38:30.980 And we got to make sure that the legal precedent pushes back against this political idea that you

00:38:36.500 can stop worship services from going on within a church. And I think it's important for the Canadian

00:38:42.900 community at large to kind of step back from the situation as well. We were not dealing with

00:38:47.860 political rallies by Sean Foyt. We were not dealing with some sort of mega rally being held in a federal

00:38:55.300 facility, although that would also be protected by freedom of expression. All we were dealing with

00:39:03.380 is a worship concert organized by a Canadian society of artists and music to Canada to perform

00:39:12.100 his worship music in Canada for free. That's what we're dealing with. And if that can be stopped,

00:39:17.700 if that can be censored, there's nothing that religious communities in Canada could do that's

00:39:24.740 less offensive than that. So really we're dealing with, is there any space in the public square

00:39:31.860 for the public practice of religious faith? I actually dealt with a similar issue in Toronto

00:39:38.580 about 10 years ago, where they tried to cancel a concert in Yonge and Dundas Square that had been

00:39:42.900 there for years and years. And the city officials said, well, you can't sing the song that there's no

00:39:48.340 God like Jehovah. That's offensive. And there was nothing that could be done until we fought back 0.63

00:39:55.460 against that. We fought back and we made a mock of it in the press as well. So, I mean, we recorded the

00:40:02.500 the city's statements and they were saying, well, you're proselytizing by singing and you can't

00:40:09.060 proselytize in this country. Just complete, um, asinine comments in a free society. Of course, 0.97

00:40:16.340 you can share your faith in Canada. That is exactly what the freedom of religion allows you to do.

00:40:20.820 The freedom of thought, opinion and belief and expression. You can have a religious debate

00:40:24.660 in Yonge and Dundas Square. And, you know, eventually, uh, it became such a public issue

00:40:30.740 that a media reporter asked John Tory about it. And John Tory, the mayor at the time, you know, said,

00:40:36.340 no, that, that doesn't actually make sense. And maybe that's where we have to get to in Canada,

00:40:42.180 where we show that, Oh, this claim that we need to protect your safety and not allow you to walk 0.62

00:40:47.860 in the woods. Well, that's ridiculous. That's actually dumb. And this idea that you can't 0.97

00:40:53.380 sing a worship song in a public space in Canada, that's ridiculous. And if you can't do that, 0.57

00:40:58.900 you can't really do anything. None of the pride stuff, none of no other religious group can access 0.99

00:41:04.180 the public square. It is ridiculous to ban a worship concert. And for safety reasons,

00:41:10.180 like this stuff needs to be mocked. It needs to be shamed. And maybe Canadian society can

00:41:15.060 start to think for themselves because the media narrative, it's so thin on these issues. It

00:41:20.180 really is very thin and the values of fundamental freedoms in Canada. If we're going to let this thin

00:41:26.740 veneer that has been painted over them, be the excuse for taking

00:41:34.740 that can't stand, we need to pierce this and it needs to be pierced rather directly. And I appreciate

00:41:39.460 how you're doing that on your show, David. Well, I appreciate you saying that because

00:41:45.060 these are issues that are very important. They always have been. I guess my concluding

00:41:50.740 query is regarding teachers in the Ottawa area, Matt and Nicole Alexander. They are, of course, the

00:41:59.940 parents of Josh Alexander, who has been on this program and made national headlines by opposing,

00:42:09.220 objecting to boys using a girls' washroom at his Ottawa school. And he said it had nothing to do with

00:42:16.900 any kind of transgender phobia, but that the girls really object to it. And they needed a champion. 1.00

00:42:22.980 They needed somebody out there saying, stop this. Makes us feel uncomfortable. No kidding. And I

00:42:29.300 remember when this all started, you know, what we small-c conservatives called the bathroom bill

00:42:36.260 that came through the Trudeau government. That's exactly what we said it was going to happen,

00:42:41.140 that there were going to be massive incidents of men or teenagers pretending, thinking for a day or so

00:42:49.940 that they're female, using a woman's change room for simply for voyeuristic purposes, and making women 0.99

00:42:59.380 and girls feel uncomfortable. We knew this was going to be obvious, but of course, no, no, no,

00:43:04.500 this is never going to happen. But I was shocked to discover I got an email from Nicole Alexander early

00:43:12.180 this week or late last week, and she told me that she and her husband had been terminated as teachers

00:43:19.220 in Ottawa because they refused to, in her words, celebrate and affirm, quote, unquote,

00:43:26.740 LGBTQ issues with children as young as three. And I guess I shouldn't be surprised because this is a 1.00

00:43:35.140 tyranny. And of course, in Canada, we don't just have Pride Month, supposed to be June, we have Pride

00:43:42.660 season now. And every city in Canada seems to choose the different months to have their gay pride parade.

00:43:49.940 So you never really agree from celebrating this LGBTQ Holy Day, or Holy Month, or Holy Season. 0.92

00:43:59.540 But I know you're not personally involved in this case, but I know the Justice Center for

00:44:03.380 Constitutional Freedoms is fighting on behalf of Matt and Nicole. Matt will be on my show Friday to

00:44:10.980 discuss this matters. I just wanted to bring it up with you. What's the situation? And do you think

00:44:16.180 there's any feasibility of these two Christian leaders being reinstated as teachers? Do you think

00:44:23.940 this could be overturned? This is a very important case, David, and just kind of involved in managing

00:44:29.780 the team that's working directly with Matt and Nicole. You know, if you step back at this case,

00:44:36.900 and it hits me pretty directly as well, my dad's a school teacher, public school teacher as well.

00:44:42.180 And the issue here is, can you, as a person with a viewpoint that is traditional or non-promoting

00:44:54.420 of the LGBTQ ideology, and that has changed and morphed over the last little while, and in schools,

00:45:02.900 David, it's Pride season all year round. There is no time when it's not appropriate to promote

00:45:10.500 pride in public schools and even Catholic schools in this country. That is very clear from many of

00:45:16.020 the cases that I've been in, and don't you step out of line. So the question is, can you have

00:45:23.140 people with traditional values in public schools as teachers? That's what's really at stake here.

00:45:31.620 Or do you have to, as a public school teacher, embrace an ideological position?

00:45:37.700 And without saying anything pro or against this ideological position of LGBTQ ideology,

00:45:43.140 whatever it may be this year and whatever it may be next year, can you as a teacher just not

00:45:48.340 embrace those things and rather just teach your kids the basics of education that we set up these

00:45:54.340 schools to do and that they're taxpayer funded to do? That's the issue because it's quite clear if you

00:46:00.260 look at the situation with Matt and Nicole, and speaking from my own opinion here, that the school

00:46:07.060 district was looking for a reason to go after them. And they knew that they had this faith, they could

00:46:14.340 see it obviously being expressed in some ways through their son in a different school board,

00:46:20.260 the Catholic school board, and now Matt and Nicole were in the public school board. But there was a very

00:46:25.780 clear focus on Matt and Nicole, what could they do to get rid of these teachers who didn't align with

00:46:33.860 this ideological position that the school board was promoting? And, you know, if we're going to allow

00:46:42.260 school boards to promote ideological positions, which is a very, that's a different issue, but it's a

00:46:47.860 very worthwhile debate. If we're going to allow these school boards to promote these ideological

00:46:53.060 positions to children, shouldn't we at least respect the constitutional rights and freedoms of the

00:46:58.420 teachers in those schools to not participate in ideological indoctrination of children? And that's the

00:47:04.180 issue. There's no doubt, thanks to the Supreme Court of Canada's recent decision in 2024, that public

00:47:09.940 schools are government entities. And when they're a government entity, they have to have what's called

00:47:16.500 a duty of neutrality, they can't promote or hinder belief. Well, these ideological positions very much

00:47:22.500 amount to beliefs, especially in regard to the issues of gender and sexuality. And if they're hindering

00:47:29.620 beliefs, and more, refusing to accommodate religious difference, a teacher who does not

00:47:36.420 have the ability, pursuant to their faith, to endorse and promote these religious beliefs,

00:47:43.780 well then, they are very right to be in a position where the school board and the union itself is under

00:47:51.540 challenge for violating the religious freedoms of these teachers. There was a coalescence here,

00:47:56.900 the union of these teachers was going after the religious expression of their son,

00:48:02.660 while at the same time, supposed to be representing the interests of these teachers. And oh, now when

00:48:09.380 the union is going to make a grievance, they say, No, we're not going to advance a grievance on these

00:48:14.020 teachers who are clearly fired by the school board, in my view, for not promoting an ideological position

00:48:22.660 in schools. And so very concerning case, very important case, there's multiple angles that are

00:48:28.020 going on, there's human rights issues, there's freedom of religion issues. And there's also

00:48:33.140 this concept that in a unionized school environment, do you even have a right to raise your constitutional

00:48:39.060 questions and concerns when your government employer violates your religious freedoms?

00:48:43.940 According to the union, they can just stop it, carte blanche, and they don't have to advocate

00:48:48.420 for those issues. And for those rights of their members, obviously, because they don't agree with

00:48:54.580 those rights of their members, and they don't agree with the positions of their members. So there's a lot of

00:48:59.540 significant issues that affect affect a massive number of Canadians. Can you be a teacher in Canada

00:49:07.700 without promoting this government sponsored ideological position that would go counter to your beliefs of

00:49:15.460 conscience or your religious beliefs? That's the issue. Yes, that's, that's the issue is the bureaucratic

00:49:21.460 tyranny of school boards, unions, governments, all seeing the same eye to eye, seeing eye to eye on the

00:49:30.580 same issue here. So it's, it's, it's absolute tyranny. But I want to thank you for the work you're doing on

00:49:37.460 behalf of people like this, who are being absolutely targeted by the system, by governments, by unions,

00:49:46.820 by schools, and all those other people at the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms has always been

00:49:53.940 there to fend for, to fight for. And I think it's, it's so important. And I've, I've been a supporter of

00:50:00.100 your organization for many, many years, in many, many ways, actually. And I've always, always found

00:50:07.060 the work you do to be incredibly important and relevant to the political discourse in this country.

00:50:12.660 And you take on cases that are not just important, but I think are symbolic and emblematic of the

00:50:19.540 problems this country is facing, in terms of just having basic freedoms intact, leaving basic freedoms

00:50:26.820 attacks. So thank you for lending your, your eloquence and expertise to the broadcast today.

00:50:32.980 Marty, it's been a pleasure. And I know we'll, we'll, we'll have you back on some other issues,

00:50:37.780 but thank you for your time today. It has been a real pleasure.

00:50:40.260 Well, thank you, David. It's really a privilege as a lawyer, who's dedicated to defending the

00:50:45.460 constitutional rights and freedoms of Canadians to be able to work with the Justice Center support

00:50:49.940 to do that. Most lawyers don't have the opportunity that we have to defend Canadians pro

00:50:56.020 bono to stand up for what we really care about. And it's, it's really a privilege. And so thank

00:51:00.180 you for your support for the Justice Center. And thank you for talking about these issues as well,

00:51:04.420 because this really is an issue in the hearts and minds of Canadians, as well as in the courts.

00:51:10.900 Appreciate it. Once again, Marty, thank you and God bless and Godspeed.

00:51:14.660 Thank you.

00:51:15.460 That course was Marty Moore. Thank you for watching that interview. I think it was very

00:51:21.780 informative. I wanted to share one last thing with you here today, if I can find it here. This is a

00:51:30.100 bench. Here we are.

00:51:33.300 This is Roger, Senator Roger Kuzner. I was at a friend's place last night. His wife put a cigarette

00:51:38.260 out in the fire pit before we went inside for dinner. Ten minutes later, we noticed the pit was a

00:51:42.660 full blaze. Innocent enough and incredibly dangerous. I support Premier Houston's call on this 100%.

00:51:47.220 100%. So what is he suggesting that everybody in the forest is lighting fires and just carelessly

00:52:00.820 leaving them places? Incredible. But anyway, thank you for watching today. I actually, I've got time.

00:52:09.860 I'm going to show you that show you the merchandise. I'll be back with some concluding.

00:52:14.900 Yeah, let me ask you the merchandise.

00:52:44.900 We'll be right back.

00:53:14.900 We'll be right back.

00:53:44.900 Thanks for watching today.

00:53:47.040 From Ottawa, this has been David Crichton broadcasting to you live.

00:53:52.000 Godspeed to all of you.

Stand on Guard with David Krayden - August 14, 2025

Reclaiming Our Freedoms： Exposing Politicians' Lies w Lawyer Marty Moore ｜ Stand on Guard

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