Pastor Arthur Pawlowski and his son, Nathaniel, speak about their experience with Canadian government repression and how they continue to fight for freedom and religious liberty. Pastor Arthur is currently serving a 10-year sentence for inciting mischief, and Nathaniel is facing 10 years in prison for the same crime.
00:01:00.000And then, in the end, I end up, believe it or not, after three weeks, they denied my access to my lawyers.
00:01:07.140I end up in Max Pot in Edmonton, in a place for the most dangerous terrorists.
00:01:16.420Welcome back to another Stand on Guard episode.
00:01:19.440What you're about to hear is an interview with Pastor Arthur Pawlowski and his son, Nathaniel Pawlowski.
00:01:29.900What he's about to tell you about what the state did to him for daring to hold church services for the Freedom Convoy during a pandemic is absolutely shocking.
00:01:47.520You're going to cheer him because he stands up for religious liberty and he stands up for all of our freedom.
00:01:55.380You're going to be shocked at what the government did to him as he tells us some things I don't think he's told any other media outlet.
00:02:06.540So, please, stand by for one fantastic interview.
00:02:18.180So, we are in a very precarious position in this country.
00:02:22.500We need political change, but we also need to resolve to resist.
00:06:27.600And because they're of course, the provincial governments are actually potentially even more tyrannical than Trudeau, because they're the ones that imposed most of the mandates and restrictions that took away our rights and freedoms.
00:06:38.400So I was explaining to the parliament these these politicians are tyrannical.
00:06:48.220If a pastor goes to prison, what can they do to the rest of us?
00:06:52.660For giving a sermon in Canada, it is no better.
00:06:56.560They are no better than the tyrants of old.
00:06:59.160So please, I ask you for this for help and to pressure Canada on this matter and to help us deal with our oppressors who act like modern day Caligulas.
00:07:12.380He's a mad emperor, he's lost his mind, and we're in a very bad position as Canadians.
00:07:18.920Now, Pastor, for those of you who, for those listening and watching who don't remember, what exactly did you say to get the state that angry at you during the COVID-19 pandemic?
00:07:36.100Well, there's a combination of things like, first of all, you have to understand that I am a Polish immigrant that grew up behind the Iron Curtain under the boots of the Soviets.
00:07:48.740So my accent, me growing up and seeing firsthand a totalitarian regime, I did not just read a book, I lived through horrors of regime, a dictatorship.
00:08:04.660I think that's the number one thing, a man like me, a person that knows what he's talking about, because he lived through that period of time in his own country, it's a danger.
00:10:05.220My video of Get Out, of course, after the police, bylaw services, and Alberta Health Services came breaking the Criminal Code of Canada, Section 176, 1, 2, and 3.
00:11:24.480Everything kind of escalated when the SWAT team started to show up, the anti-terrorists.
00:11:30.900Then ultimately we got arrested with my brother David and arrested again, re-arrested again.
00:11:35.540During that time, I got over 40 COVID tickets, five arrests, and I spent multiple times, I spent time in jail.
00:11:45.060And, of course, the last one for my most horrible, horrible crime, because I have become a Canada's pastor, as they called me, a freedom pastor.
00:11:56.620The track convoy asked me to conduct a series of church services, which I gladly did.
00:12:02.280And I'm actually super proud of that moment in my life that I was able to participate with the most beautiful Canadians on earth, people, family, loving all colors, all creeds, all backgrounds coming together and singing with each other, feeding each other, hugging each other, loving each other, crying with each other.
00:12:24.800It was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen on this soil in our beloved Canada.
00:12:30.160So I did a series of church services in Calgary.
00:14:01.780We can paralyze their system by simply refusal to work, cooperate with them, non-compliance, the solidarity movement style, Mohatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., civil rights movement style, when the people come together and simply say to their tyrants, not an inch, no more.
00:15:27.980The story of totalitarian regimes or the story of any dictatorships is a sad story because in the end, everyone suffers, including the villains.
00:15:38.240The brown shirts of Adolf Hitler, if you will, or those that told me so many times, I'm just following orders.
00:18:20.420I have been blackmailed for about a month now.
00:18:23.500They told me if I don't give them $150,000, if I don't withdraw myself from political realm, if I don't stop talking about politicians.
00:18:31.940So that's what we are experiencing right now.
00:18:35.860And if you know, I don't know if you remember the story, when I was in prison, five different inmates already testified when I was still there that the guards were giving them incentives to beat me up or to murder me when I was there.
00:18:57.600So I don't know what they are cooking for me.
00:19:00.340But that's why I decided with my family to be as loud as I can.
00:19:04.440And that's why Nathaniel went to European Union to make that presentation, because now the only way I know how to fight them is to bring their light into this great corruption, into this darkness, for the whole world to know what's happening in our beloved country.
00:19:23.120Well, Nathaniel, you had to go to the European Union Parliament to get people to stand on their feet and cheer and to see how your father is being treated, not just unjustly, but ruthlessly.
00:19:37.420Did you get any feedback, any pushback from the Conservative Party of Canada, from Pierre Polyev?
00:19:47.220No, the Conservative Party doesn't support anything we're doing, because they're only, at least from what I've seen, they're only conservative in name.
00:19:58.200They're not socially conservative, that's for sure.
00:20:00.220So they're basically as liberal as the Liberals.
00:20:04.160So no, you saw how Pierre Polyev threw Christine Anderson under the bus when she was in Canada, just completely tossed her under the bus, treated her like absolute garbage.
00:20:14.380There is no evidence that she has any of the views that he claimed.
00:20:18.260And I've personally met her several times, a wonderful person.
00:22:00.500But what does surprise me, and perhaps it shouldn't, is that Muslims, Muslim mothers and fathers are out in the thousands opposing Justin Trudeau's agenda.
00:22:12.800And they're afraid to put those people into prison.
00:22:16.340They're afraid to charge them, but they're not afraid to charge Christians.
00:22:26.260And I'm appalled at how evangelical Christians in many senses refuse to push back against government repression.
00:22:36.380And even we'll come to the point of saying we're so happy we live in a country like Canada where we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
00:22:45.480And, of course, I don't think we have either of those anymore.
00:22:49.440I mean, how do you feel when Christians get up and try to make this liberal government sound like it stands for freedom when people like you are being threatened with 10 years?
00:23:00.760Well, Christians have freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
00:23:04.660Everyone has freedom of religion and freedom of speech as long as you don't do something that the government disagrees with.
00:23:10.020So if you talk the party line, then you're completely fine.
00:23:15.340But if you say something that goes against what they believe, against their agenda, against their ideology, against the political line, well, then you're going to be arrested and ticketed.
00:23:24.800Because that's how the freedom of speech and freedom of religion and all rights and freedoms work in Canada.
00:23:30.640If you stay in your lane, live your life according to what the Canadian government wants, you'll be fine.
00:23:36.820But if you do something that steps outside of that, well, then you're going to be hammered and ticketed and arrested and put through the entire system.
00:23:45.540Muslims are a little bit different than Christians.
00:23:47.660Christians are pathetic in Canada, especially.
00:23:50.720We're just lazy, comfortable, apathetic.
00:23:55.400But Muslims don't really let governments roll over them.
00:23:59.940They're a little bit more aggressive in their stance.
00:24:03.320But I disagree with you when they say that they're not coming out after Muslims because just in Calgary, one Muslim was charged for putting on a protest against the gender stuff.
00:24:16.260So they're actually coming after them as well.
00:24:18.180I don't know what the response is going to be from the Muslim community right now.
00:24:55.980They're going to come after anyone who disagrees with them now.
00:24:58.300And that reminds me that we are, historically speaking, we are in the middle of the 30s in Nazi Germany, where you could see clearly that there is a totalitarian regime that is beating people up, arresting people.
00:25:14.040But the majority of the Germans at that time were not feeling the consequences of a police state or totalitarian regime.
00:25:23.200As long as you were not opposing Adolf Hitler and his plans, no one would bother you.
00:28:24.860But what worked for the villains before can work for us that want to be free today.
00:28:31.380And that's why the solidarity movement comes in.
00:28:33.820I said to the Canadian truckers and the farmers and during the rallies, we used to have 15,000 to 20,000 people on the streets of Calgary every week.
00:29:59.400You're doing exactly what those people in the late 20s and 30s were doing before they started to murder people left and right and build concentration camps.
00:30:18.920It would be better, man, for you to be fired than to lose your soul, than to lose your humanity.
00:30:25.260Yeah, I heard the same thing from police officers here in Ottawa during the Freedom Convoy when they were beating people up and when they were physically assaulting protesters.
00:30:51.080And that's, I have no control over this.
00:30:53.520And, of course, that's utter nonsense.
00:30:55.540You know, and that's why, you know, I just want to add this.
00:30:58.560That's why I use a very strong language.
00:31:01.260You've got to understand you're not talking to a typical Canadian that grew up in a beautiful environment with a house and two parents and one was working, another could stay at home and vacationing three times a year, driving a nice car.
00:31:19.160And I'm telling you, hell has visited you.
00:31:23.440If you don't fight, if you don't stand up now, you're going to regret for the rest of your life that you didn't and your children will pay the price of your cowardice.
00:31:32.160So what I'm simply saying, the use of language, Gestapo, KGB, you know, sociopaths, psychopaths, communists, what I'm saying is I'm trying to shake you off your horse.
00:32:36.700He may say, well, you're going to prison for 10 years.
00:32:39.200Well, the moment he articulates his sentencing, we're going to appeal it right away.
00:32:46.460The problem with this is I don't know where I am going to be during that process and for how long if he sends me to prison.
00:32:54.520But at this time, no one except God, of course, knows what is going to happen.
00:32:59.420And that's why we're doing this show, because we've decided that instead of being scared, instead of, you know, bowing before the blackmail and threats, we've decided to bring light into the situation.
00:33:13.760And perhaps pressure the political realm or the world to focus, to see what's happening here, because be sure of it.
00:33:25.220I am like a shield between you and the villains.
00:33:28.840When people like me fall down, when that shield is removed, you're next, you're next.
00:35:07.460And those types of constitutional lawyers are absolutely crazy expensive.
00:35:12.460So, I retained that lawyer, $10,000 retainer and $525 per hour.
00:35:21.180So, if people can help that, that would be greatly appreciated.
00:35:24.600You can donate going to streetchurch.ca, streetchurch.ca, so www.streetchurch.ca, or e-transfer here in Canada, art, A-R-T, at streetchurch.ca.
00:35:38.400Well, the thing is, one man cannot do this.
00:35:54.840Well, I will do whatever I can to promote your fundraising and to raise the profile of this injustice.
00:36:03.120I think this is perhaps the gravest story I've heard all year, and I've heard some bad ones.
00:36:11.460But to flesh this story out, as I have over the last half hour, this is a national tragedy.
00:36:18.680And it's even more of a national tragedy when you have absolutely no one in the House of Commons who is prepared to stand up and defend you.
00:36:28.140So, my friend Maxime Bernier, I think, is the only politician in Canada who has defended you, and unfortunately, Maxime did not win his by-election.
00:36:37.800You know, I supported Pierre Polyev in his leadership bid, but I'll be damned if I'm ever going to be in the pocket of the Conservative Party of Canada, because they let us down every time.
00:36:50.520And they're letting us down again with you, and they're letting freedom down, they're letting everything good about this country down.
00:36:58.360And the very fact that we would contemplate putting a pastor in jail for 10 years or holding church services is, to me, an indication this country has been turned on its head.
00:37:07.300And I'm ashamed at times to be a Canadian.
00:37:12.260I'm ashamed at times to be an evangelical Christian who thinks we have freedom of religion in this country, because it's true, we have freedom of religion as long as we tow the party line.
00:37:22.820But the Soviet-style churches, the Soviet churches had freedom of religion, too, as long as they didn't attack the regime.
00:37:28.600And the Protestant and Roman Catholics, as you've mentioned, pastor, in Nazi Germany, were fine.
00:37:35.720Nobody ever tried to shut them down, as long as they did not directly oppose the Nazis.
00:39:36.220And of course, the federal two parties that I know that are good, which is the Christian Heritage Party and the People's Party with Maxime Bernier.
00:39:44.660Other than that, but no ruling party at this moment.
00:39:47.900Not one ruling party is defending God and state-given rights.
00:39:53.840Not one party is defending the Criminal Code of Canada, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Bill of Rights, or even international human rights.
00:41:47.260And it's time for good men in our beloved Canada to rise up, stand up, and simply say, like the Polish people before, during that solidarity movement, enough.
00:42:14.400And Godspeed to this fight, and I'm with you.
00:42:18.740I'm always going to be frank and as courageous as I can be in addressing these issues because politicians in this day and age are largely craven.