Stand on Guard with David Krayden - SOG48：＂Trudeau's a Joke on the Global Stage＂. Former Ag Minister Demolishes #Trudeau ｜Stand on Guard Ep 48

00:00:00.000 Welcome back to another Stand on Guard episode. I'm your host, David Creighton.

00:00:07.100 Nice to see you all back again today. It's been a busy week already with votes on the carbon tax,

00:00:13.700 and we might have another one today that's affecting farmers. And that's part of the reason

00:00:18.400 I have my guest today is former Agriculture Minister and Saskatchewan MP, Jerry Ritz, 0.63

00:00:25.900 who was a good friend during the Harper years and a damn good Ag Minister. Unfortunately, 0.94

00:00:33.480 I don't think we can say that about many of his successors. But Jerry, thank you for joining me

00:00:42.000 today. Well, my pleasure, David, and thank you for that kind introduction. Well, it's very true. You

00:00:48.240 were an Ag Minister who actually understood agriculture, and we've had a series of Ag

00:00:54.240 ministers who really didn't have a clue. Even though the current Ag Minister does have a clue,

00:01:00.680 he doesn't seem to be functioning as he used to. But we'll get into that in a bit. I just wanted to

00:01:06.100 touch on an article that I did last week for the Post Millennial, where I'm doing most of my writing

00:01:14.180 these days. And it's really a great publication because it's cross-border. So you can talk about

00:01:20.940 American or Canadian issues. And Americans are reading about Canadian news. Canadians are reading

00:01:26.780 on American news. And I think that's good because we're certainly in the same news cycle. And we

00:01:33.340 cannot isolate in terms. But I wrote an article last week about Trudeau's war on farmers. And

00:01:39.320 when I wrote that headline, I thought about you. Because the last time we spoke, when I was doing

00:01:47.220 an interview for the Western Standard, you called what Trudeau was doing to farmers, a war on farmers.

00:01:54.700 And specifically, there's been an announcement recently about this 30% reduction in fertilizer. I just

00:02:03.060 want to look at this slide here. Because it talks about reduction of fertilizer use by 2030 to 2020

00:02:14.040 levels. Now previously, I'll get that in a minute. But previously, the Ag Department has talked about

00:02:26.100 fertilizer emissions, not use. And this doesn't appear to be a typo or an error, because people have

00:02:34.580 been asking the minister about this. And this does seem to be an accurate depiction of what the

00:02:42.860 government wants. Do you think the government's actually expecting farmers to reduce fertilizer use

00:02:49.080 by 30% by 2030? Well, yes, I do. Because the first way they were measuring it didn't give them

00:02:56.960 anything they could cheer about. Farmers are already stewards of the environment and their land.

00:03:02.780 Of course, the four R's come into play the right type, the right place, the right time and the right 1.00

00:03:08.040 amount. And that gives farmers the best results. Fertilizer is an expensive commodity, you just don't go out

00:03:14.720 there and spread on hundreds of pounds that you don't need. A lot of times you'll wait till the crop

00:03:19.960 up is up. And then you'll top dress at certain areas to give that little zing to it. But it's now

00:03:26.100 about micronutrients to the copper and manganese and sulfurs and so on that drive the protein level

00:03:31.960 up the sulfur. And that's what farmers are gravitating towards. So for some reason, this government has got

00:03:38.280 agriculture under its lens, not unlike what they've done to other resource sectors. And if they would

00:03:44.360 stop and realize that this is all part of a supply chain, that when they make these types of changes

00:03:50.180 to the base, the agricultural growers themselves, it affects the full supply chain, which ends up on

00:03:57.640 the grocery store shelves. And that's where our high prices are coming from in these arcane regulations

00:04:04.940 that they plan on bringing in to hit a target that doesn't matter. You know, they've got a solution

00:04:09.780 looking for a problem. Well, it concerns me when they went from emissions to use. But what really

00:04:17.320 concerns me is the idea that they keep saying this is going to be voluntary participation by farmers.

00:04:25.860 I find that difficult to believe because nothing during our COVID experience, during that whole

00:04:32.860 pandemic, nothing was voluntary. It was mandated. They forced us to wear masks. They forced us to

00:04:40.120 take the vaccine if we wanted to work or travel or to live like ordinary human beings. And in the

00:04:47.180 environment, excuse me, the environment and climate change minister, Stephen Gilbeau, who seems to be

00:04:53.520 really in control of the Ag Department these days, he has gone around saying, if we want to divorce

00:05:00.260 ourselves from fossil fuels, I'm just going to turn off the pumps, I'm going to shut off the natural gas,

00:05:06.800 I'm going to turn off the electricity. And I don't care if people are freezing or can't read or can't do

00:05:12.700 anything normal, because it's all about fulfilling the agenda of climate change. And do you really

00:05:19.860 believe for a minute that farmers are going to be this is this is going to be a voluntary program for

00:05:25.180 farmers? No, not at all. I think the same as we had a voluntary gun registry, you know, after a while,

00:05:32.240 it became mandatory under these liberals. And that's what they do best. I mean, Trudeau with his

00:05:36.580 little buddy Jagmeet Singh, who's also a closet anti agricultural, you know, from downtown Toronto,

00:05:44.420 he doesn't understand where the bread on his table comes from, and how it gets there and why it costs what

00:05:48.980 it costs. And that's the problem with these guys. They're disconnected from any type of rural

00:05:53.580 roots. They've had a couple of ag ministers. I mean, Lawrence McCauley actually did run a dairy at

00:05:58.500 one point. Not not a large one by any stretch, but but he actually was hands on. But that's some 40

00:06:04.820 years ago already. And Bebo, who came in, sat on the board of something that might have been or could

00:06:11.800 have been ag related. And we all saw what a disaster she was. Now Lawrence is getting a do over coming back 0.99

00:06:17.900 in for his second stint at this. And he's the one whose loose lips started talking about a mandatory

00:06:23.300 30% reduction in fertilizer use. I think he got out ahead of the comms team led by Katie Telford,

00:06:30.480 of course. And he's actually spilled the beans, quite literally. And farmers are starting to be

00:06:36.280 concerned. And what that does as a trading nation, it sends those ripples out across the world that

00:06:42.700 Canadian agriculture is going to shrink, not grow to feed that hungry world.

00:06:48.160 Well, they've already placed a 30% tariff on fertilizer from Russia, which is a large part

00:06:56.860 of what farmers were getting their fertilizer from. So a 30% reduction. This, to me, smells of

00:07:05.200 something that is just disastrous, catastrophic for farmers. Could this not only lead to Canada not

00:07:12.140 being an exporter nation of foodstuffs, but in fact, could it lead to some degree of famine in

00:07:18.700 this country? Well, certainly. I mean, we eat on average about 50% of what we produce, some

00:07:24.220 commodities higher than others, but then we export the balance. And if there isn't that amount to

00:07:29.060 export, of course, we'll look after our own first. They'll come in with programs that say you have to

00:07:33.720 sell cheap to the domestic supply, you know, the two price system we used to have under the wheat board.

00:07:38.680 But at the end of the day, I mean, it still comes down to our credibility and our capacity

00:07:43.120 to be a global player. And we're losing that face out there on the world stage. Every time I see

00:07:48.900 Trudeau or Jolie or Freeland or anybody go outside of Canada, I just shake in my boots because

00:07:54.280 every time they do, there's a major faux pas created.

00:07:57.640 And we mentioned Lawrence McCauley. He does seem to have some roots in agriculture. As you say, 40,

00:08:05.460 I didn't realize it was 40 years ago, though. He ran a small dairy farm. He does seem to have a

00:08:11.000 better cognizance of agriculture than, say, a Bebo, who had absolutely no clue what she was doing or what 1.00

00:08:17.940 agriculture was all about when she was there. But McCauley worries me because I remember McCauley

00:08:23.940 when you were in the House and he had fairly substantial

00:08:28.180 ministerial responsibilities. And he was pretty good in question period. He handled himself

00:08:36.420 pretty well.

00:08:38.360 Well, he had one issue that he brought up every spring, and that was ferry service to some

00:08:43.020 island off of PEI. Other than that, Lawrence was quiet.

00:08:45.800 Yeah. But I've watched him lately in question period, which I try to do live just about every

00:08:53.880 day if I'm not doing something else. And it's worrisome because he reminds me of Joe Biden

00:09:00.300 because he doesn't seem to have a sense of what he's even talking. It's like he's being given a

00:09:05.500 script every day because every time there's an ag question, he seems to reach for a piece of paper

00:09:11.680 and start talking about forest fires. And I wish I had a clip of this, but he's done this repeatedly.

00:09:17.820 And he's reading from a prepared script about how climate change is responsible for all the forest

00:09:23.380 fires we had last summer, which, of course, I believe is absolute nonsense. There's no correlation

00:09:27.820 there. There's no correlation has been proven, certainly by the liberals. They just put that out

00:09:33.500 there as a given. And it certainly is not a given. It's not a fact. But McCauley just seems to want

00:09:39.240 to talk about forest fires. Do you think the environment minister has just taken on the

00:09:44.200 ag department as an appendage now? Because he seems to be a spokesman for Gilbo.

00:09:49.380 Well, I think there's only two or three major players sitting around the cabinet table. And

00:09:54.000 certainly the ag minister of the day under the liberals is not one. We were very much

00:10:00.480 noticed by Prime Minister Harper the amount that agriculture drove the Canadian economy,

00:10:08.240 the third largest contributor to our GDP, the largest manufacturing sector. Now, I guess it's

00:10:13.840 going to be EV batteries that nobody's going to buy. But at the end of the day, these guys sitting

00:10:18.140 around that cabinet table in Ottawa, including the handpicked people they put into the ministries and

00:10:24.380 so on, do not have a clue about what's happening out here on the actual ground.

00:10:29.000 So it does concern you that ag issues are not going to be seriously considered then?

00:10:36.600 Well, absolutely. I mean, you look at our trade corridors, we've got free trade agreements and

00:10:40.300 they keep talking about adding to and changing the title to be progressive as opposed to just

00:10:45.160 free trade agreements. I mean, that's what they're all about is virtue and there's no value in what

00:10:49.480 they're talking about. Yeah. I'm also concerned about, you know, Trudeau's crackpot scheme to somehow

00:10:57.480 magically lower grocery prices. And all he has said is just do it, make it happen. And when he first

00:11:05.040 said that, my mind went back to his father's wage and price controls of 1974, an issue he actually

00:11:12.320 flip-flopped on. He ran in the 74 election against Bob Stanfield, the progressive conservative leader at

00:11:18.040 the time saying he would never institute wage and price controls and famously or infamously upon

00:11:24.540 winning reelection, he went from, he was in a minority position. He went to a huge majority.

00:11:29.780 He immediately instituted wage and price controls and they were catastrophic as they were everywhere.

00:11:37.080 But Trudeau doesn't even seem to have that much of a plan. He just, he's telling grocery stores,

00:11:41.880 okay, go back to the drawing board and come up with a plan for me that is going to lower

00:11:47.760 grocery store prices. Now, my concern, first of all, is that when you artificially lower prices like

00:11:53.140 that, you end up with scarcity in the grocery stores. We already saw that during COVID. I don't

00:11:59.500 know how many times I walked into a local grocery store or Walmart and the shelves were empty. I think

00:12:05.840 we could see that times a hundred. If we start artificially lowering the grocery store prices, we could have

00:12:11.760 another Venezuela here. But what concerns me even more than that is the grocery stores, if they're forced 0.95

00:12:18.720 to reduce their profit levels, they'll pass that on to the farmers and they'll say, okay, can't afford to

00:12:25.200 pay you that anymore. We're going to cut the price in half. Do you think that could happen?

00:12:29.960 Oh, absolutely. And as I said earlier on, we import 50% of what we consume. And do you think he's going

00:12:35.880 to put price controls in on all the countries we import from? He can't. It's not unlike his single

00:12:41.140 use plastics orders. As soon as that actually comes into play, then, you know, everything that comes

00:12:48.000 in from California and Florida and so on that comes in a plastic bag can't come in anymore. So all of a

00:12:52.380 sudden, we're going to have less product on the shelves because the Americans are not going to change 1.00

00:12:56.420 their way of doing things for one little country that's a minor part of their market share. So it's going to

00:13:02.660 shrink. There's no doubt about it. Our shelves are going to be empty and the prices have to go up

00:13:07.280 because the overhead costs of those stores, all that handling, all that transportation is still

00:13:12.160 there. In fact, it's gone up because there's carbon tax and regulations at every level that add to that

00:13:18.040 final price. So this is really a vicious cycle for farmers. They're going to be producing less with

00:13:25.700 less fertilizer and getting less money for the crop they produce. With higher inputs.

00:13:31.240 With higher inputs. Exactly. I just want to refer to a slide here from the Canadian Federation of

00:13:38.840 Agriculture, where it actually says that farmers, that the price of doing business, put it in those

00:13:48.400 terms, for farmers has increased by 21% in 2022. And that's the largest increase since 1974.

00:14:00.360 I mean, how is that possible sustained? Well, it's not. And then you add on top of that,

00:14:09.120 all of the equipment and repairs and a lot of the inputs come from offshore. And with a 72 cent Canadian

00:14:17.060 dollar, farmers are paying that dollar value and eating the difference. It's astronomical,

00:14:23.460 the extra that's being applied. Then you start looking at the downloading that's going on from the feds to the

00:14:29.840 provinces, the provinces to the municipalities or counties. And you start to realize farmers are

00:14:35.000 captive on their ground. And I know that the feds are eyeballing the asset value out there in land. It's gone up

00:14:41.540 exponentially over the last 10 or 15 years, especially in Western Canada, when you've had the right to market

00:14:46.660 our own products. And, you know, they're looking at that and saying, hey, how do we scoop that?

00:14:52.300 Yeah. Well, and of course, the carbon tax is a huge factor in the cost of living for farmers. And

00:14:59.560 as much as the Trudeau government likes to pretend it's not a factor, anybody with a little common

00:15:06.040 sense, I think, can fathom that, yeah, it's a huge factor. Now, there's Bill C-234 in front of the

00:15:13.800 Senate. I think today, at least this week, it's been in the news, not as much as it should be,

00:15:20.060 because originally this bill was supposed to exempt farmers, all farmers, from the carbon tax.

00:15:26.740 It's gone through committee. It's been gagged and distorted, strangled, and completely remade.

00:15:35.620 So now, basically, it's not all farmers. It's pot growers. Pot growers get the exemption and virtually

00:15:42.300 nobody else. Now, what is going on with this? Why is the Trudeau government insisting? And

00:15:49.840 apparently, do you think he's working with the Senate? Is the Trudeau government working with

00:15:53.680 the Senate to try to get this bill passed as the committee refocused it? Well, how can that be?

00:16:00.300 All those senators are independent. I'm sure they think for themselves until they get that envelope

00:16:04.420 in the morning to do this. You know, what I can understand is agriculture in Canada is literally

00:16:09.840 the goose that lays the golden egg. As I said, the third largest contributor to our GDP. A lot of the

00:16:15.500 stability that we've seen through these tough economic times, and we haven't hit bottom yet.

00:16:19.220 That's coming in 2024. Even TIF is starting to realize that at the Bank of Canada. So it's

00:16:25.140 agriculture that is going to be the stable force that's going to hold us and bring us through this.

00:16:30.880 But we're seeing them being eroded and chipped away at by an unknowing, uncaring federal government

00:16:36.840 in Ottawa with the help of Jaggi and his little band of Mary NDP. At the end of the day, no farmer can

00:16:43.540 continue to take this type of onslaught and survive. And that's all going to affect everybody. I mean,

00:16:50.140 we all like to eat several times a day. Well, mentioning Jagmut and his Mary band of socialists, 1.00

00:16:58.580 surprising to some degree that the NDP supported the conservative motion yesterday to exempt all home

00:17:05.280 heating fuel, including propane and natural gas from the carbon tax for this three-year pause,

00:17:12.480 you know, which is, of course, not a solution, but it might be a temporary band-aid for a lot of

00:17:18.000 people. Does it worry you, though, that Trudeau has apparently concocted a deal with the separatist

00:17:23.160 block to make this? I mean, it didn't have any meaning if it had a past, but it was certainly

00:17:29.480 symbolic. Does that worry you? He's aligned himself with separatists?

00:17:32.860 Well, I think there's two things there. Of course, it worries me that the, you know,

00:17:37.140 the Quebec tail can wag the rest of Canada's dog. You know, I mean, we've always faced that. At the end 0.77

00:17:43.040 of the day, they're the wild card, and Trudeau will play that every chance he gets. But I really think

00:17:48.620 Jag was driven by the provincial arms of his party. He's the leader of everything, provincially as

00:17:53.980 well. And there were a lot of provincial NDP governments and provincial NDP oppositions that

00:17:59.360 were speaking out in support of the conservative motion. So he was trapped between a rock and a hard

00:18:04.540 place, and he decided to go with the hard place. But he'll be there right away back in Trudeau's

00:18:09.740 corner, whatever happens today. So it was a temporary lull. I think the premiers, you know, they stood

00:18:17.000 together in Halifax the same day the vote came down and said, we all agree this carbon tax is

00:18:22.280 killing our economies. And, you know, I didn't see that covered in a big way in any media operation.

00:18:28.440 So it's been a while since the premiers have stood up to a federal leader. I think the last one was

00:18:33.100 also named Trudeau. I was just about to say that because you let us right into the next slide,

00:18:40.880 which, of course, yeah, the premiers are united on this issue. And it, as you said, the last

00:18:46.700 prime minister to get the premiers this angry and this focus and this united was Pierre Trudeau.

00:18:53.340 And it really amazes me how much of Trudeau, of the elder Trudeau's experience, the younger Trudeau

00:19:00.080 is going through, from this sort of experience with uniting premiers to inflationary times, to high

00:19:08.180 interest rates, to invoking the emergencies. It's scary at times how much his time as prime minister

00:19:16.940 has mirrored the worst moments of his father. But this certainly is significant. The premiers are

00:19:24.140 united on this issue. And I think this could well be a real crisis for Trudeau because the dominoes are

00:19:31.900 falling. Once he admitted that you can take the carbon tax off for three years, apparently, and there

00:19:40.200 won't be a catastrophe, I think he admitted it's a farce. Can you imagine the forest fires in

00:19:45.860 Canada next year now? Unbelievable. Yeah. Well, you know, in truth, David, the old adage, the apple

00:19:54.400 doesn't fall far from the tree applies here. We just have a carbon tax in that apple. Now, other than that,

00:19:59.800 Mini-Me Trudeau is doing exactly what his father did. He's leading this country into a socialist,

00:20:05.460 almost fascist state, if I dare go that far. I mean, he's become a tyrant. He's answerable to no one.

00:20:11.800 He knows it. He's getting a free ride by his paid-for media, and that's what's kept him alive. He's

00:20:17.440 actually got absolutely zero status on the world stage unless he's handing out checks anymore.

00:20:24.600 Yeah, man. God forbid he should go on the world stage because we know what happens. He goes to

00:20:29.700 India, makes an absolute ass of himself, makes ridiculous accusations, or he goes to the WEF and 0.99

00:20:38.520 makes promises and says, God help us if he does fail. But it's interesting to me that Canada produces 0.99

00:20:47.320 1.4% to 1.8% of global gas emissions. That's around there. 0.52

00:20:53.480 And, you know, and that's virtually nothing in terms of our global carbon footprint. But this

00:21:00.820 government continues to pretend that even if Canadians freeze, don't have any fuel, can't drive,

00:21:09.300 can't fly, it's somehow going to fight climate change. And of course, even if our global gas

00:21:15.560 emissions were reduced to 0%, it would have no impact on the world stage.

00:21:20.540 Well, it would actually have a negative impact because we would no longer be the carbon sequestration

00:21:25.820 capital of the world. The way we grow our crops, the amount of forestry, forested land that we have,

00:21:31.440 we are sequestering carbon, unbelievable amounts of carbon every day, and we get no credit for that. 0.96

00:21:37.360 So that's what a government that's thinking without their head up their ass would come to realize and 0.95

00:21:43.200 start to promote that, not hide it. 0.99

00:21:46.380 Yeah. I just want to play a brief clip here from your premier in Saskatchewan, Scott Moe, who I have a

00:21:54.160 lot of time for. I think he's doing an excellent job. I just want your comment on this.

00:21:59.600 You said that if the federal government doesn't bend on carve-outs for natural gas or other heating

00:22:05.120 sources, basically beyond heating oil, that you and your government as of January will stop

00:22:10.000 collecting it. I just want to play for you the federal finance minister's response late last

00:22:15.140 week to that threat, and then I'll get your reaction to it. Let's have a listen to Minister Freeland.

00:22:21.160 It is entirely appropriate, and I think an expectation shared by all Canadians, that everyone

00:22:27.980 in the country should follow the law. That's our expectation, and it's our job to ensure that the

00:22:34.700 law is enforced, it will be.

00:22:36.900 Premier, does the minister have a point? Does doing something illegal here really solve anything?

00:22:42.160 I would say that we're going to follow the law. Very shortly, there's going to be a law in

00:22:46.780 Saskatchewan that will state that we won't be submitting the carbon tax on how we heat our

00:22:52.020 homes with natural gas to the federal government. And I would say we're also following the law of

00:22:57.540 thermodynamics, as heat pumps simply don't work in the climate across the prairie provinces. And so

00:23:02.820 there are multiple laws in this space. Very shortly, there will be another law in place in

00:23:07.980 Saskatchewan, and that's the law that we are going to follow.

00:23:10.480 But with all due respect, I take your point on the piece of legislation that you're going to pass,

00:23:15.800 but there is a way in which this country works, right? That you collect a tax on behalf of the

00:23:21.060 federal government, or vice versa, that the federal government collects some of their taxes on behalf

00:23:24.900 of the provincial government. I mean, is this the most responsible thing to do to start off? And I

00:23:29.920 get your concerns. I certainly just put them to the federal minister. But to start off on this foot

00:23:33.700 where, you know, what kind of slippery slope are we starting here?

00:23:37.340 Well, I would say we're making exactly the same decision as the federal government did. The federal

00:23:41.620 government did it, made the decision to hold the carbon tax payments for heating fuel, which impacts

00:23:48.380 largely Atlantic Canada. What we're saying is we're going to have, make a similar decision that is

00:23:53.040 going to have an impact on Saskatchewan residents. I don't think anybody can agree with the most

00:23:57.500 recent carve-out that the federal government is applying their carbon taxation policy fairer.

00:24:03.020 Most certainly, it's not fair to all Canadian families.

00:24:08.940 Your comment, does this guy have guts or what?

00:24:12.300 Well, he's being pushed into that corner. There's a new movement, Saskatchewan, that's bringing him back

00:24:16.460 on track, and he's starting to find his conservative roots. That's a good thing. But at the end of the

00:24:20.720 day, the federal government can and will pass any legislation that creates a law, and they have the

00:24:25.480 right to do that. Supreme Court rulings have set that precedent. But at the end of the day,

00:24:32.520 it's agreements between a federal government and a provincial government as to what will be collected.

00:24:37.780 And you do not have to honor up. There's no law that says you are forced to collect their tax.

00:24:43.680 It's an agreement where you get a certain amount to do that handling. And what Mr. Moe is saying is

00:24:50.700 he's just not going to collect it. You can apply that tax, but you've got to come and collect it

00:24:55.420 yourself. So he's not saying the tax can't be applied in Saskatchewan. He's just saying he won't

00:25:00.340 do it. Which I think is certainly a great beginning because he might be starting something here that is

00:25:08.320 going to be very significant. But he mentions heat pumps as well in this. I find this fascinating

00:25:14.720 because when I first saw Trudeau talk about free heat pumps, I said, uh-huh, uh-huh. Free for whom?

00:25:22.140 Nothing, of course, is free, and especially our health care is not free either. But the fact that

00:25:28.700 he's talking about free heat pumps for people below the poverty line. So if you're below the

00:25:34.460 poverty line, I don't think you're probably going to be wanting a heat pump because you don't own a

00:25:38.700 home. Well, yeah. Well, the point is there are some details that have been glossed over. It's a

00:25:45.080 $600 assessment you have to have done to see that you even apply or could apply for one. It only

00:25:51.860 applies to family incomes of less than $75,000. That's above the poverty line. And you have to have

00:25:58.700 a home that's assessed at less than $300,000. So, you know, it's a pretty fine point on actually

00:26:04.680 who's going to qualify for this at the end of the day to begin with. But then to say that these heat

00:26:10.200 pumps are efficient is ridiculous. Anything below, you know, they're saying 20 degrees and so on.

00:26:16.560 You know, I've been in places where they've had them and it's 10 degrees and they can't keep up.

00:26:20.340 But at the end of the day, they're just not that effective. You still need a backup heat source.

00:26:25.440 And what will that be? You know, you got to have a wood fireplace or, you know, a stove or something

00:26:31.220 like that, or keep your old oil furnace and run the heat pump as well. The problem that they have

00:26:37.260 is the same thing as trying to charge all these EVs is they do not have the electrical grid or the

00:26:43.640 capacity, especially in Atlantic Canada, to do this. They're power poor. So where is that energy going

00:26:50.400 to come from to run all of these? Well, that's, that's an excellent point. And in addition,

00:26:56.240 of course, the Trudeau government's not even admitting these are not carbon neutral. They're

00:27:01.000 not talking about the fact they have to plug them in. And this is just the usual, you know,

00:27:08.120 and yes, you have to make them and you, but you have to have a power source. And that's nothing

00:27:13.860 is being discussed from the liberal government from that standpoint. It's just like there's a magic

00:27:19.440 power source for these things. You just, they're going to make magic heat for you. And they run on

00:27:25.080 uniform parts. And it's the same thing when I hear people talk about electric cars being this panacea.

00:27:32.700 Well, you have to plug those in too. They have to come from a power source. And of course, the batteries,

00:27:37.520 we're never going to have enough of them and we won't be able to replace them. And that is another

00:27:42.120 catastrophic end for this, you know, and it, and it, it strikes me as a cruel joke though, that you

00:27:51.380 would tell people in Edmonton or Saskatoon or places where it goes to minus 30 and some minus 40 at

00:28:01.900 times that a heat pump is going to help you in the winter. Well, I think you're going to be very cold

00:28:05.980 because the research I've done indicates they really don't work under minus 15, minus 16 degrees

00:28:12.100 Celsius. And the cost of these things is, is absolutely enormous. But we saw that clip of,

00:28:20.360 of Freeland, of course, saying that we expect Saskatchewan to abide by the law. Thank you very

00:28:25.280 much. It, uh, I've noticed in the, in the question period lately, uh, Jonathan Wilkinson, who was an

00:28:32.260 minister of natural resources, could have been Chrystia Freeland's half brother. They both have the same

00:28:38.140 condescending attitude towards everybody in the house and they both tend to shake their hand.

00:28:44.400 And it, it amazes me how they continue to read from a script that is so divorced from reality,

00:28:53.040 that is so far from everybody else's real truth. And they just are oblivious to it. And

00:29:02.320 do you see any hope of ending this regime in the next two years with a parliamentary vote of any

00:29:11.080 kind? Well, not with Jagmeet, uh, bought and paid for and the bloc standing by as a default mechanism.

00:29:17.120 I don't, uh, I think there's going to be a lot more pressure on Trudeau to remove himself. He's not

00:29:23.080 going to do that. Uh, he hasn't even got to fly in his new airplanes that he's ordered. So he's going

00:29:27.540 to hang around for a while. I mean, there's talk of him taking another big fancy Christmas vacation

00:29:32.480 and making his decision at that time. I just don't see it unless he's offered a big spot at the UN or

00:29:38.280 something that he can go in and continue to spend money that isn't his. So I think we're stuck with

00:29:43.160 this clown and the clown car full of the other clowns, uh, for as long as they decide they want 0.98

00:29:47.920 to run. I would, I would concur because I see people every week saying it's over, it's over for 0.56

00:29:55.320 Justin Trudeau because some Senator or one of his caucus members decides to criticize him.

00:30:01.640 But we all saw Glenn or Ken McDonald from Newfoundland who stood up, spoke out against

00:30:07.360 the carbon tax. And when he's up voting in favor of the, the, uh, fiasco that they just put on

00:30:13.140 Atlantic Canada, he gives a finger to the opposition. I mean, uh, there you go. He's just a liberal.

00:30:18.640 You'll be in cabinet in no time.

00:30:19.880 Well, you know, I thought the same thing because yes, he voted twice in favor of conservative

00:30:26.000 motions to axe the carbon tax yesterday. He rejected that proposal, but of course he's taken

00:30:33.160 care of, you know, and when he first came forth and started doing interviews about why he supported

00:30:39.160 the last carbon tax motion by the conservatives, I said at the time, this is everything to do

00:30:46.560 with Kent getting reelected and getting Atlantic MPs reelected because he didn't say we have to get

00:30:54.680 rid of this tax in the longterm because it doesn't make any sense. It is a punitive tax. It punishes

00:31:01.800 people for doing things they have to do. He just said, let's put a pause on it for a couple of years,

00:31:08.940 meaning until the next election and I can get reelected and we can just do as we please again.

00:31:14.400 So this is all cynical. It's going to be interesting to see whether the carbon tax rebates continue to

00:31:20.920 flow to Atlantic Canada, because there's a lot of issues. They're still paying carbon tax on

00:31:24.720 barring their, the heat for their homes. So, you know, any businesses, any fuel you buy,

00:31:29.980 any groceries you buy, everything you touch has got a carbon tax on many, many levels in it.

00:31:35.460 So will they continue to get the carbon tax rebate while they've got that carbon tax carve out on their

00:31:41.340 home heating? Yes. And a lot of folks are suggesting today that Quebec is backing Trudeau's carbon tax

00:31:50.640 and conceivably the government for the next two years, because Quebec, of course, has a cap and

00:31:56.260 trade program in place and they really don't need their exemption. Well, that's smoke and mirrors.

00:32:01.260 That's like using monopoly money to, to change up into Canadian dollars. They're worth about the same

00:32:06.280 right now. But at the end of the day, their cap and trade system, no one's continuing on with that.

00:32:11.260 Ontario had one for a little while. California was the one that started it. And even they're

00:32:15.460 realizing now that there's nothing left to trade. They capped everything and they're in trouble. I

00:32:20.940 mean, industry is moving out of California as fast as they can get a U-Haul. So, you know, it's going to

00:32:26.060 backfire at some point on Quebec. The biggest thing that Quebec's got going for them is they don't

00:32:31.480 include their electricity product production in the equalization formula. So that means they continue

00:32:38.080 to get the lion's share of the money, most of it coming from Western Canada, Saskatchewan and Alberta.

00:32:43.340 Ontario's on a, on a pause economically as they try to struggle back from whatever fiscal policies

00:32:49.180 they're working with at the time. And, you know, it's, it's just unconscionable to people in Western

00:32:55.460 Canada, the amount of money that goes into Quebec to create the utopia that they can't afford without our

00:33:00.940 dollars. Yes. They, and yet they continue to talk about an independent Quebec, which would,

00:33:07.400 which would not be getting those dollars. And it's broken three years. Yeah. It, it, it is an

00:33:13.400 illusion. And it's unfortunately part of the daily narrative that comes out of Ottawa. This

00:33:19.520 somehow this can continue without any, any repercussions. Do you think though, is the carbon

00:33:26.760 tax destined to fail before the, before the liberals are out in two years? I'd like to say

00:33:32.920 it would. I'm, I'm anxious to see how stalwart Premier Moe is and how, whoever else he can get

00:33:40.140 to stand with him to push back on the feds at all levels. I mean, if you're going to rip that bandaid

00:33:46.180 off, you might as well take all the carbon tax. You're not going to collect any of it in the province

00:33:50.420 of record, whatever that province would be. I think that's the route that needs to be done. I mean,

00:33:55.120 if you're going to drop the gauntlet, make sure it hits the ground hard. Well, and, and that's it.

00:34:01.120 I guess we can only hope the, what drives me craziest with the Conservative Party right now is

00:34:07.260 to continue to say he's not worth the cost talking about Justin Trudeau. And that, that, that to me

00:34:12.540 is a completely ineffective electioneer, election slogan or anything else, because it's not just that

00:34:19.440 Justin Trudeau is not worth the cost. Sometimes I wonder if a lot of them are. It's a cut. Well,

00:34:23.920 the fact is he's, he's catastrophic for this country, but you've got to expand that to Trudeau 0.95

00:34:29.380 and crew, the whole clown car, not just the driver. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's, that's, that's true. 0.74

00:34:37.920 But if it was just a matter of, of him not being worth the cost, I don't think we would be in the,

00:34:43.720 in the condition we are. I, I can, I'm concerned not only about where we're going economically,

00:34:49.520 but Trudeau continues to bring censorship down upon Canadians. He brings the latest bill that's

00:34:57.640 coming in the fall or early winter is going to be the Online Safety Act, which is going to make

00:35:03.740 disinformation, misinformation, and something called malinformation illegal. Now, whether or not

00:35:10.200 that's going to be criminal or civil or whatever they decide, the point of this bill, because I've read

00:35:16.980 what the study groups have told the liberals to do with this, disinformation and the, and the like

00:35:22.560 will not be defined in this bill because it will be that much harder to enforce if they define it.

00:35:28.980 So it will be up to this liberal government to decide what disinformation is. This broadcast could

00:35:34.220 be disinformation. The post-millennial rebel news, the daily caller, anything that it's new media or

00:35:42.140 is not mainstream media could be disinformation. And I think what the legacy media is not getting

00:35:46.500 because they're not covering this story at all is that they could be deemed disinformation because

00:35:51.960 they'll come for you eventually. And this Trudeau government is catastrophic for Canada. And I,

00:35:57.640 and I hope we can find a means, a democratic parliamentary means to end this parliamentary session sooner

00:36:04.260 rather than later, because I think the sake, for the sake of this country and for the soul of this

00:36:09.400 country, I think something, a change is needed. Well, the world is watching. I mean, he's a joke

00:36:15.960 on the, on the global stage. They're all starting to point fingers as well as to what's happening in

00:36:19.920 Canada. Case in point, the Israel-Palestine conflict going on and how we're handling that

00:36:25.460 as compared to other countries around the world, we're having the same results in our streets and so

00:36:30.940 on. And, uh, our, our cops are standing by waiting to see what they should do. Now you compare that to

00:36:36.240 what happened with the convoy in Ottawa and you start to realize we've got a, a, a, a two-tier

00:36:41.500 justice system at best. Um, both tiers are politically driven and everybody's just wringing

00:36:47.500 their hands and saying, what can we do? What can we do? We've got four gentlemen in Alberta,

00:36:52.120 the Coutts Four, they call them, that were part of that blockade at the Coutts border. Now there

00:36:56.500 wasn't a blockade. I mean, there was traffic still moving through, but at the end of the day,

00:36:59.980 they've now spent more time in incarceration without bail than our two Michaels did in

00:37:05.040 China. And we're a democracy, uh, where that's so true, Jerry. And I, I've been covering the

00:37:13.040 freedom trial convoy here in Ottawa on a daily basis. It's been recessed for three years with

00:37:18.440 Tamara Leach and Chris Barber. And of course you've watched, you watch and you say, what is the defense

00:37:24.080 up to? Because they, they provide no evidence at all for the allegations, for the charges and

00:37:30.160 everything they provide reinforces what Tamara Leach and Chris Barber have been saying all along

00:37:35.160 is that we told people to protest peacefully. We told them to cooperate with the police to disturb

00:37:41.560 residents. Yeah. Well, you look at the graffiti that went onto a CBC studio in Montreal. None of that

00:37:47.300 happened in downtown Ottawa. In fact, there's more businesses speaking up and saying it was great to

00:37:52.240 have the crowd there. Uh, I know the, the Tim Hortons owner on bank said they'd come in and mopped

00:37:57.620 the floors because they knew they were the ones that tracked in the dirt. So, I mean, these guys

00:38:01.360 left a tremendous impression for the vast majority of people. Now, Paul Champ, the lawyer that's trying

00:38:06.760 to put together this huge lawsuit, 300 and some million dollars, his main witness, that government

00:38:13.160 employee that was complaining about the noise and so on, she lives blocks away and probably couldn't 0.99

00:38:19.320 even hear it. But that doesn't enter into any of the things on the stand at this point. But at the

00:38:25.060 end of the day, I mean, we all see this for what it is. Trudeau was scared spitless of all the Canadians

00:38:31.440 that lined up as that convoy went through, all the Canadians that came to visit in Ottawa to be a part

00:38:36.840 of that. That's what scares him. Yes, I think so. And I wrote the other day in the Epoch Times that

00:38:44.980 the Tamara Leach, Chris Barber trial might not be technically a show trial in the Soviet Union sense,

00:38:52.960 in the Stalinist sense. But it certainly is a show trial because they're trying to bankrupt these

00:38:58.840 people. And they're trying to make anybody who wants to protest think twice about protesting.

00:39:06.720 And I think that is why this is a show trial. It's to put a chill into protests in this country. So

00:39:12.520 if you want to oppose the Trudeau government, you want to oppose liberal policies, watch out,

00:39:17.580 you're going to have your life unended, upended, and you're going to have to go through a lot of

00:39:22.500 legal and judicial problems. Yeah. Well, he stacked the courts. You know, we saw, what was it,

00:39:28.420 five relatives of Dominic LeBlanc that have been named as judges. You know, I mean, these guys are just

00:39:33.600 so overt in the way they're putting together their own show. It's going to take a long time to wind it

00:39:39.960 down. You know, I feel for Pierre Poliver when he finally gets into power, and he will, you know,

00:39:45.780 at some point it's going to happen. But trying to rebuild a federal civil service, and so on, right

00:39:51.920 through to the grassroots that have been so politicized, and to think for themselves, you know,

00:39:58.180 they spent $700,000 hiring consultants to tell them how to get away from hiring consultants. I mean,

00:40:05.120 it's just insult to injury day after day with these clowns. They're using your dollars to reinforce 0.99

00:40:11.020 their own ideology, and that is no longer a democracy, folks. Well, it might not be a technically

00:40:19.480 Soviet-style show trial, but I hope we don't have a Soviet-style famine in this country as a result of

00:40:26.380 these catastrophic agriculture policies. And Jerry, I want to thank you for joining me today. We miss you

00:40:34.280 in Ottawa, believe me. And we miss the Harper government, because there was a sense of somebody

00:40:41.380 being in control, leading the way with a hand on the ship. Right now, there's a sense that nobody

00:40:48.440 is in control, that there's a group of insiders telling Justin Trudeau what to do, because he doesn't

00:40:55.160 seem to have a grip on himself, on his caucus, on his cabinet, and certainly not on the government.

00:41:01.620 So we miss you, Jerry. Well, thank you so much for that. You know, my days in Ottawa were

00:41:07.560 packed-filled. You know, third-party people coming in to see, we had roundtables that gave me advice on

00:41:14.280 every industry group that moved in the country. All of that's been lost. That's unfortunate,

00:41:18.940 because that's where your strength is, is at the grassroots.

00:41:21.720 That's very, very true. Well, thank you so much for joining me today, Jerry. This has been a pleasure

00:41:29.020 talking to you. And like I say, thank you for your years of service as a member of parliament and as

00:41:35.060 the Minister of Agriculture. You have been sorely missed. I think farmers would say the same thing.

00:41:40.900 So let's do it again at your convenience, and let's hope and pray for this country, because Justin Trudeau

00:41:50.340 has never been good news. Well said, David. Thank you for your time today. I look forward to the next

00:41:57.140 steps. Okay, bye for now. Thank you for watching another episode of Stand on Guard.

00:42:02.180 I'm your host, David Creighton, and we'll be back.

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SOG48：＂Trudeau's a Joke on the Global Stage＂. Former Ag Minister Demolishes #Trudeau ｜Stand on Guard Ep 48

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Stand on Guard with David Krayden - November 07, 2023

SOG48： ＂Trudeau's a Joke on the Global Stage＂. Former Ag Minister Demolishes #Trudeau ｜Stand on Guard Ep 48

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SOG48：＂Trudeau's a Joke on the Global Stage＂. Former Ag Minister Demolishes #Trudeau ｜Stand on Guard Ep 48