Stand on Guard with David Krayden - May 04, 2023


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censorship laws communist China threats MP family China Cultural Industry Association peace act strike Hold the Line book Freedom Convoy experience CBC and CTV journalism
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David Krayden
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Alexander Trudeau Tamara Leach Chris Barber Morris Rosenberg Michael Cooper Michael Chong Stephen Harper Andrew Lawton Xi Jinping Chair Zhang Giudo Ezra Rupa
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The Chinese government has been spying on the family of Conservative MP Michael Chong, and the government knew about it for two years, but did nothing about it. Now the government is under fire for not doing anything about it, and we're here to tell you why.

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00:00:00.520 Hi, welcome back to Stand on Guard with David Creighton.
00:00:03.900 We've got a great show for you, and yes, as promised, Trudeau's done it again this week,
00:00:08.680 but there's other scandals to talk about.
00:00:11.960 We'll be back with that in very shortly.
00:00:14.880 So we are in a very precarious position in this country.
00:00:18.780 We need political change, but we also need to resolve to resist.
00:00:30.000 Yeah, don't forget to hit those buttons, because we really do need your support.
00:00:38.420 I usually save this to the end, but my God, we're in trouble in this country.
00:00:42.620 We've got censorship laws, two of them on the books.
00:00:45.980 One is coming.
00:00:46.860 It's going to outlaw hate speech, and you know what that means.
00:00:50.040 Anything this liberal government doesn't like is hate speech.
00:00:53.460 So we have to fight back.
00:00:55.680 We have to resolve to resist, as I've said in the past,
00:00:59.120 and I'm going to keep saying it every week.
00:01:00.520 We have to resolve to resist this government,
00:01:02.420 because it is going after our free speech.
00:01:05.420 It's going to make it very difficult to say what we want to say on the Internet. 0.99
00:01:09.600 And don't be fooled by these idiots who tell you that we have to make the Internet safe. 0.99
00:01:15.860 And that's what they're calling the bill, you know, online safety, 1.00
00:01:19.640 meaning safety for the government, safety for the Trudeau government.
00:01:24.000 That's what it's really about.
00:01:25.100 So I want, I really encourage you.
00:01:26.820 I encourage you to please support this show.
00:01:30.960 And because this is it, I'm doing this independently.
00:01:33.800 No media outlets backing this show.
00:01:36.060 I'm putting this out independently because I believe in free speech very strongly.
00:01:40.040 So we're going to move to the first story here, which is really quite something.
00:01:45.160 And what would you say if your family was being targeted by communist China?
00:01:52.640 Well, conservative member of parliament, Michael Chong, faced that this week.
00:01:59.860 Here's the find out in the newspaper or online, however he read it.
00:02:04.760 The Globe and Mail reported that based on a thesis note, it obtained that Michael Chong's family,
00:02:11.280 still residing in Hong Kong, had been under surveillance by the communist Chinese government.
00:02:18.820 Now, what do you think about that?
00:02:20.500 That's a sitting MP, a former cabinet minister, a current conservative official opposition critic for foreign affairs.
00:02:29.140 His family's being targeted by communist China.
00:02:32.320 And Trudeau, of course, does he know anything about it?
00:02:36.120 Well, apparently not, even though there was a briefing note produced by CESIS.
00:02:42.160 Now, they don't produce these things just for their own health.
00:02:46.120 These are produced for the government so the government can act upon them.
00:02:48.920 And certainly somebody in the Trudeau government must have seen this briefing note,
00:02:53.180 even if it was just before an election, because the government continues throughout the election.
00:02:57.760 The government doesn't disappear or evaporate.
00:03:00.280 There's still a legitimate, valid government during any election.
00:03:04.200 Somebody must have seen this briefing note, but they did not act upon it.
00:03:07.520 When did they act upon it?
00:03:09.280 Well, when the Globe and Mail published the story and it became an issue in question, period.
00:03:14.020 So here we go.
00:03:14.800 Here's how Trudeau reacts to this.
00:03:16.160 And this is infuriating.
00:03:17.480 His government produced a briefing note which exposed these threats to the MP's family two years ago.
00:03:27.700 And yet the diplomat that worked to punish a Canadian MP's family is still in Canada
00:03:34.980 when the Prime Minister could have expelled him.
00:03:37.200 Why didn't he expel this diplomat?
00:03:38.920 Yeah!
00:03:40.340 Right, honourable Prime Minister.
00:03:44.720 It was absolutely unacceptable.
00:03:47.480 for any Canadian to be subject to intimidation via foreign power,
00:03:52.460 particularly threats against family and against families of members of Parliament.
00:03:56.660 That's why, as the reports came out this morning,
00:03:59.220 I immediately asked officials to follow up on these reports and to get to the bottom of this.
00:04:05.740 I also asked for outreach both on the political and the official side to the member in question.
00:04:14.920 But we are going to continue to make sure this is taken extremely seriously.
00:04:18.420 The Honourable Leader of the Opposition.
00:04:20.420 Well, that's just false.
00:04:21.420 He didn't immediately take action.
00:04:24.020 He took action after the media found out about it.
00:04:27.520 That's right.
00:04:28.020 His government has known that a Canadian MP had his family threatened because that MP voted for human rights in the House of Commons.
00:04:37.120 He knew about that for two years, he did exactly nothing.
00:04:42.120 Furthermore, the same diplomat that orchestrated these threats against the MP's family still works in the Toronto Consulate of Beijing,
00:04:53.620 even though the Prime Minister has the power to expel him.
00:04:57.120 Now, what does immediately mean for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau?
00:05:11.120 It means when he sees the story on his desk in the news clippings.
00:05:17.120 That's what immediately means.
00:05:19.120 It doesn't mean when he sees the briefing, though, and I'm sure he saw the briefing.
00:05:25.120 He hasn't denied the same briefing, though, has he? No.
00:05:30.120 But this, again, is an example of how the Liberal government acquiesces, surrenders to Communist China.
00:05:38.120 Now, Communist China thinks it can get away with this.
00:05:41.120 It's the most arrogant superpower since the Soviet Union. 0.98
00:05:47.120 But it is extremely arrogant. 0.97
00:05:49.120 It's the most arrogant power on Earth, the most arrogant state on Earth. 0.59
00:05:52.120 It thinks it can do whatever it wants to with impunity.
00:05:56.120 And it thinks it can do this to Canadians, even a Canadian sitting MP, a former cabinet minister, because it knows Justin Trudeau is weak.
00:06:06.120 He's pusillanimous. 0.97
00:06:08.120 He is ineffective. 0.97
00:06:11.120 And he has been coddling the Chinese government for years.
00:06:15.120 He's got a guy who started his political career, essentially, before he became prime minister, by saying that the Communist China was the basic dictatorship he most admired because it could turn its economy around on a dime.
00:06:34.120 This is what Justin Trudeau believes in.
00:06:38.120 And he has been true and faithful to those remarks as prime minister.
00:06:43.120 He's coddled the Chinese. 1.00
00:06:44.120 You recall at the G20 summit in Bali last fall.
00:06:49.120 Justin Trudeau was asked by reporters whether or not he would consider the extermination of the Uyghur population in China as a genocide.
00:06:57.120 Justin Trudeau refused to call it that.
00:07:00.120 He refused to call it that.
00:07:02.120 Why? 0.98
00:07:03.120 Because he's a weakling. 0.92
00:07:04.120 Why? 0.96
00:07:05.120 Because he doesn't want to offend China.
00:07:07.120 At the same conference, he was taken aside, although the cameras were running, by Chinese dictator Xi Jinping, and he was given a dressing down because Trudeau had publicly talked about their discussions.
00:07:21.120 Trudeau looked extremely embarrassed and downtrodden, so much so he had to retreat, no, run to the men's room after that.
00:07:30.120 I don't know if he relieved himself or threw up, but it was enough to make all Canadians throw up. 1.00
00:07:34.120 But the China scandal continues.
00:07:37.120 And, of course, we are also continuing to deal with the issue of China's interference in Canadian elections.
00:07:46.120 And there are two committees looking at this now.
00:07:49.120 But here's Michael Cooper, member of parliament for Edmonton St. Albert, conservative, who's taking a former CEO of the Trudeau Foundation, Morris Rosenberg, to task.
00:08:04.120 And this is really worth watching.
00:08:07.120 Mr. Chair, thank you, Mr. Rosenberg.
00:08:09.120 Mr. Rosenberg, you claim that the source of the donation was the Millennium Golden Eagle International Canada, Inc.
00:08:17.120 Yet, on July 14, 2016, when you sent international bank transfer instructions, nowhere mentioned in that letter is Millennium Golden Eagle International Canada, Inc.
00:08:32.120 The only names on that letter were Ben and New. Why?
00:08:37.120 I don't have the document and I can't answer the question because I don't recall right now.
00:08:42.120 Highly suspicious.
00:08:43.120 You claim, you claim, you claim, you signed it.
00:08:47.120 Highly suspicious that on a document sent to transfer the money, that nowhere is that entity mentioned, just the names of those donors.
00:09:01.120 You claim that the receipt was sent to the registered office of this company, but yet in the September 26, 2016 correspondence with the Trudeau Foundation,
00:09:24.120 the address that the receipt was requested to be sent is the same address as the China Cultural Industry Association.
00:09:34.120 Can you explain that?
00:09:35.120 Well, I'll say two things.
00:09:38.120 First of all, I know that Mr. Zhang was the president of Millennium International and director of Millennium Canada.
00:09:50.120 I'm not sure what other positions were.
00:09:51.120 And you know what the China Cultural Industry Association is?
00:09:58.120 It's a company that is associated with the United Front Work Department.
00:10:03.120 Yeah.
00:10:04.120 So anything in China ultimately leads back to the Chinese Communist government because they control everything. 0.69
00:10:10.120 It's a totalitarian state.
00:10:12.120 You know, even people who are running businesses ultimately are answerable to the Communist Chinese government.
00:10:19.120 I think Michael did an excellent job here of showing how the Trudeau Foundation obviously really doesn't know what's going on half the time.
00:10:28.120 And this is outrageous.
00:10:31.120 I want to move to the next story here, which was Trudeau was recently in New York City.
00:10:39.120 And exactly what he was there for, except to do a lot of selfies with some so-called celebrities, not exactly clear, except he was there to deliver one of the most incredibly awful speeches to the Council on Foreign Relations.
00:11:00.120 Now, when I say CFR or Council on Foreign Relations, a lot of people's ears are going to go up because, of course, that has been the subject of conspiracy theories for decades.
00:11:11.120 You know, some people think that's who really controls American foreign policy.
00:11:17.120 These are the decision makers behind the scenes who make those decisions about American policy in general.
00:11:25.120 But Trudeau was there to lecture them as he always does.
00:11:29.120 Trudeau has never failed to disappoint in that regard.
00:11:32.120 He just loves to lecture and preach about how wonderful he is and how wonderful Canada has become under his leadership.
00:11:41.120 He gives no credit to anybody else.
00:11:43.120 In fact, in one point in the speech, he talks about how Canada, after 2015, when he was elected, was signing free trade deals with everybody.
00:11:52.120 Actually, Mr. Trudeau, that occurred under the former government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper, a conservative who was actually, yes, signing free trade deals with a lot of countries.
00:12:05.120 So don't take credit for things you didn't even do.
00:12:08.120 Take credit for the things you have done, which have which has been an absolute disaster.
00:12:13.120 Well, we got a clip here of that speech, and it really is incredible because bear in mind, he's he's lecturing the Americans and the world in this speech about how we have to resist authoritarianism and embrace democracy.
00:12:31.120 We have to restore faith in democracy and democratic ideals.
00:12:35.120 This is the same guy the very same day he's making this speech.
00:12:38.120 The House is passing his censorship, his Internet censorship bill.
00:12:42.120 So we can't say what we want to say on the Internet.
00:12:45.120 And it's going to put a lot of independent media out of business if this thing continues. 0.70
00:12:49.120 But just let's listen to this.
00:12:51.120 Canada has worked to demonstrate that when we strengthen the middle class, we strengthen social cohesion, we reinforce faith in our democratic institutions at home and engage with the world in consequential and positively impactful ways.
00:13:11.120 And major global investors are looking around the world to where they can be part of that.
00:13:24.120 Canada will always be a reliable partner because the key is simple.
00:13:31.120 Make sure you're putting people first.
00:13:34.120 As your president says, grow the economy from the bottom up and the middle out.
00:13:40.120 Put people's dignity, their rights, their environment and their future at the center of what we do as policy makers, as business people, as commentators, as champions of democracy and rules-based trade.
00:13:55.120 That's how we deliver on the promise of progress. 0.99
00:13:59.120 Oh, what an abysmal hypocrite. 1.00
00:14:03.120 You really it takes these people had to put up with a nauseating 18 minutes of this. 1.00
00:14:09.120 But of course, we're so used to it in Canada.
00:14:11.120 He's always lecturing us about how wonderful he is, how wonderful his government is and what great things it's doing for Canadians.
00:14:18.120 He's not putting people first.
00:14:20.120 He's putting Justin Trudeau first.
00:14:22.120 He always has. 1.00
00:14:23.120 He's a narcissist, narcissistic person. 1.00
00:14:25.120 And he always has been. 0.99
00:14:26.120 And it's all about Justin Trudeau.
00:14:28.120 Always will be.
00:14:29.120 It's it's it's mind boggling that he continues to exist in his own little universe, his own little microcosm, the Trudeau microcosm, where nobody else matters except Justin Trudeau.
00:14:41.120 And I predict he's not going to last much longer because the walls are closing in on Justin Trudeau.
00:14:46.120 I want to show you.
00:14:47.120 I want to show you something, though, but it really is something else.
00:14:56.120 Because the peace act strike is over.
00:14:57.120 The peace act strike is over.
00:14:59.120 Well, there's still some.
00:15:01.120 Some folks at the.
00:15:03.120 The tax department have not signed an agreement, but virtually everybody else has, and they will be.
00:15:13.120 I'm sure because they basically got everything what they wanted.
00:15:16.120 You know, they were they were asking for the universe.
00:15:18.120 They got a little less than that.
00:15:20.120 They're going to be able to work from home because it's going to be decided on a case by case basis.
00:15:25.120 And just who do you which manager in the public in the public service is going to say, no, you can't work from home because the first time they say that there's going to be a human rights tribunal investigating it.
00:15:36.120 So you can bet they're going to be able to work from home.
00:15:39.120 And this problem is just starting.
00:15:41.120 I don't mind working from home, but.
00:15:44.120 I draw the line when it's public service employees who don't do that much work at work and it's impossible to fire them.
00:15:54.120 So it's fine to say, OK, if people don't produce at home, then they should be fired.
00:16:01.120 But try to fire a public service employee, even if they're not doing their job.
00:16:08.120 So I think they're going to be inclined to do less work from home than they are at the job, if if that's possible.
00:16:15.120 But, you know, this it is incredible to me how they get away with this and they continue to get away with this.
00:16:25.120 But here's here's how they they face the strike.
00:16:29.120 This is says it all.
00:16:31.120 Yeah, having a great time.
00:16:56.120 That's kind of indicative of what they do on the job every day.
00:17:01.120 Yeah, I'm being a little too big.
00:17:04.120 I'm being a little too sarcastic about this.
00:17:07.120 I know there are good public service employee. 1.00
00:17:10.120 Yes, there are.
00:17:12.120 But there's also a lot of them freeloading.
00:17:15.120 And I call this the freeloading convoy because here they are in the street, but blocking Wellington Street, the same street that the Freedom Convoy demonstrators were on. 0.93
00:17:24.120 And they're singing and dancing on the street, just like the Freedom Convoy, except this was the union that condemned the Freedom Convoy protest as some because they're all a bunch of racist and misogynist, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 0.86
00:17:37.120 The same nonsense that they were repeating from the prime minister's talking points.
00:17:43.120 That was unacceptable to have a peaceful protest on Wellington Street.
00:17:46.120 But it's OK for these guys to block Wellington Street, have their little party, block ports, cut off the power and the water to a Canadian forces base, at least one in Petawawa.
00:17:58.120 And basically to engage in civil disobedience during strike action.
00:18:04.120 Now, this is completely unacceptable.
00:18:08.120 Of course, they get away with it because Justin Trudeau is on their side and they're on Justin Trudeau's side.
00:18:13.120 And this is all a big charade as usual.
00:18:16.120 And I tell you, I don't think this is going to end anytime soon.
00:18:22.120 I want to get to our last subject here because I'm very excited.
00:18:27.120 We're going to be talking to Tamara Leach, the author of Hold the Line. 0.97
00:18:32.120 And it's an autobiography, but it talks a lot about her involvement in the Freedom Convoy, which we just mentioned back in February 2022.
00:18:41.120 I was there almost every day freezing, but very much in solidarity with these people who are demanding free speech and the right to refuse vaccinations.
00:18:52.120 And mandatory vaccinations.
00:18:56.120 And this was a very principled and peaceful protest.
00:19:01.120 It was a it was really a political awakening for a lot of folks.
00:19:07.120 And I think it's very important that we talk to Tamara about this because she's a heck of a woman. 0.98
00:19:15.120 She's a fighter. 1.00
00:19:16.120 She was held in jail with a bail for a long period of time.
00:19:20.120 And the government wanted to make her and did make her a political prisoner. 0.99
00:19:24.120 I just want to show you this clip here.
00:19:26.120 Tamara Leach has been released from jail.
00:19:29.120 Western separatist Tamara Leach.
00:19:31.120 Leach will remain in custody.
00:19:33.120 We have breaking news out of Ottawa to tell you about a judge has made a decision on whether to grant bail for Tamara Leach,
00:19:39.120 one of the leaders of that recent demonstration in Ottawa.
00:19:42.120 You may have seen me on the news, but there's more to my story.
00:19:57.120 In my new book, Hold the Line, I share the story of the Freedom Convoy from the heart of the Freedom Convoy.
00:20:03.120 It's a story of hope, courage and coming together as a community in the Canadian way.
00:20:08.120 You can buy my new book at theconvoybook.com.
00:20:11.120 And in that book, you're going to hear stories from the heart of the convoy,
00:20:14.120 as well as my arrest and my time in jail, like you've never heard them before.
00:20:19.120 Until very recently, I've been quite silent because of my bail conditions.
00:20:23.120 But now I'm ready to tell my story, my side of the story.
00:20:26.120 I know the mainstream media isn't going to be fair to me,
00:20:29.120 as they've already called me and my friends from the convoy terrorists.
00:20:34.120 There is increasing concern about violent online rhetoric supporting the convoy,
00:20:38.120 and that those with extreme views are planning on attending.
00:20:41.120 The mayor who made, in my estimation, just a horrendous decision to negotiate with terrorists.
00:20:47.120 So I'm launching a book tour across Canada.
00:20:50.120 We'll be doing interviews, signing books, and saying thank you to all Canadians.
00:20:55.120 Yes, David Creighton here for the Post Millennial.
00:21:00.120 And today we're interviewing Freedom Convoy leader Tamara Leach.
00:21:05.120 And she is with us today to discuss not only her tremendous experiences as a leader of that convoy,
00:21:12.120 but the release of her recent book, Hold the Line, which is climbing up the best-selling list, best-seller list on Amazon.
00:21:23.120 So how have things been, before we get to the book, Tamara?
00:21:27.120 How have things been?
00:21:29.120 They've been good.
00:21:30.120 Very busy.
00:21:31.120 Really busy, but very good.
00:21:33.120 Like I said, we're starting to get into some summer here, so I'm just trying to get outside a little bit more.
00:21:40.120 And, you know, I spent a lot of time still, it seems, in front of my computer.
00:21:45.120 So, but it's been good, yeah.
00:21:48.120 So why did you write Hold the Line?
00:21:50.120 What inspired you to write it?
00:21:52.120 Well, I think it's just such a beautiful story.
00:21:56.120 It's such a beautiful story of community and, you know, a nation coming together.
00:22:01.120 And also, a lot of people, I get messages from people all the time.
00:22:07.120 You know, people, they want to know how I'm doing, how I'm holding up.
00:22:11.120 And so this was a way for me to let people know that, hey, I'm doing okay.
00:22:15.120 Well, you certainly seem to be.
00:22:18.120 You certainly seem to be.
00:22:19.120 So this book is climbing up, or is it number one on the Amazon bestseller list?
00:22:24.120 It is, as far as I know, still.
00:22:27.120 Yes.
00:22:28.120 Unbelievable.
00:22:29.120 So does that surprise you, that that many people are interested in your story?
00:22:34.120 It does, actually.
00:22:37.120 We did a soft launch on a Thursday afternoon, and it was the number one bestseller the next day in Canadian biographies, I think, in one column anyways.
00:22:47.120 I mean, I know that there's people out there that are really interested in the story, but I had no idea that it would do that well.
00:22:56.120 Well, I'm personally not surprised.
00:22:59.120 So you're doing a book tour.
00:23:01.120 Is this going across Canada?
00:23:03.120 Where are you right now?
00:23:04.120 Yes, we're going to launch that.
00:23:07.120 Right now we're in the process of finding me an assistant who can help me organize my life.
00:23:11.120 And once we have that in place in the next day or so, we'll be confirming dates for the book tour.
00:23:17.120 And yes, the plan is definitely to go all across the country if we can.
00:23:21.120 Are you going to be announcing these on your website or anybody else's website?
00:23:28.120 They'll definitely be on the convoybook.com website, which is where the book is at right now, too, the link for that.
00:23:36.120 And actually, I'm working on a website of my own right now also.
00:23:40.120 So we'll definitely have those dates made public as soon as we have them all confirmed.
00:23:45.120 Well, that's that's that sounds fast.
00:23:48.120 So you're I believe you're also doing some media work on your own.
00:23:53.120 You're you've got a studio now and you're are you doing interviews with people or?
00:23:58.120 Yes.
00:23:59.120 Rebel was kind enough to send me a nice fancy new microphone and a good webcam so that I can do media.
00:24:05.120 I have been doing media for the book.
00:24:07.120 Yes.
00:24:08.120 Over the last week and a half also.
00:24:10.120 Well, that's I'm so glad to hear my old my old friend Ezra, who I've known for decades now is has been helping him out this way.
00:24:20.120 And it's it's fantastic because it's a new media, you know, like all of us who are supporting you in this and who supported the Freedom Convoy.
00:24:29.120 And we're out there sometimes getting ourselves kicked in by covering this news.
00:24:35.120 So everybody, I think we're all united behind you here.
00:24:38.120 Tamara, and it's fantastic.
00:24:40.120 This book is doing so well.
00:24:41.120 Thank you.
00:24:42.120 I'm sure while you're writing the book, you reflected on, you know, what the Freedom Convoy was, what it meant for people, not only yourself, but for many Canadians, including myself.
00:24:53.120 I was I was I was certainly affected by covering it and I was covering it for two media organizations at the time.
00:25:00.120 But the effect of it was was just, I think, phenomenal for a lot of people.
00:25:05.120 But what kept you focused and motivated when you were in sitting in jail with no bail?
00:25:12.120 I mean, what what did you focus on?
00:25:15.120 I did a lot of praying and I did a lot of meditation and I just felt like I understood that there was more work to be done.
00:25:27.120 And perhaps, you know, the universe or God or whatever you choose to call it just wasn't finished with me yet.
00:25:34.120 And so I repeated thy will, not my will many times, many, many times.
00:25:41.120 And I really feel and I've said this many times before that for me, this was a very divine experience.
00:25:50.120 And I think that continues today.
00:25:54.120 I mean, I feel like we were all guided and protected.
00:25:57.120 You know, Chris Barber led that convoy all the way across Canada in January without a single accident, not a single accident or injury, which is in itself a miracle.
00:26:08.120 And how we stayed there and and everything stayed peaceful.
00:26:12.120 You know, we had crowds there in the tens of thousands sometimes, you know.
00:26:17.120 So, yeah, it was just such a beautiful, beautiful experience for me.
00:26:22.120 And and even jail can't take that away from me.
00:26:26.120 Did you you certainly were a political prisoner?
00:26:30.120 Did you feel like a political prisoner while you were in jail?
00:26:33.120 Well, I've never been in that position before, so I don't really know what that would feel like.
00:26:40.120 I certainly do. I certainly do get the impression that there's a bit of a vendetta and maybe some personal hard feelings, you know, in this because the prosecution has just been unbelievably malicious and and unprecedented.
00:26:59.120 Yeah. You know, I guess I guess I guess what I meant was, I mean, you were treated worse than most murderers and rapists are in this country who are sometimes routinely released on bail.
00:27:12.120 And they and they and there seemed to be a political motivation to keep you in jail without any at one point, any hope of bail.
00:27:20.120 And they were they were certainly trying to make a an example out of you in the judicial system, the government, the police, all of the the establishment forces seem to be making an example out of you.
00:27:35.120 And I'm certainly at some point, you must have felt that the weight of that of the power on your shoulders.
00:27:43.120 Well, honestly, I kind of wear that as a badge of honor, because I'm only five feet tall, one inch, I'm about 125 pounds.
00:27:54.120 And for them to treat me that way, they must be awfully frightened.
00:28:01.120 Something you know, something about me has scared them to the point where they're willing to take these desperate measures and unprecedented steps.
00:28:11.120 So I'm pretty tough. I'm a pretty tough girl, I think.
00:28:16.120 And yeah, I just again, I kind of wear it as a badge of honor. Obviously, they feel very threatened by me.
00:28:23.120 I think they certainly did. What was your reaction to the Emergencies Act inquiry report?
00:28:30.120 And we I I think we last met in the in the midst of that when the inquiry was meeting in Ottawa.
00:28:36.120 What was your reaction to the report that basically vindicated Justin Trudeau and his decision to invoke the Emergencies Act?
00:28:47.120 Well, it was disappointing. I think we all knew or expected that that was going to be the outcome, but there was still a little bit of a sliver of hope that he would rule in a different way.
00:29:00.120 So I it was a gut punch to us for sure and extremely disappointing.
00:29:07.120 Basically, the fine print is that government incompetence is now the benchmark for invoking the Emergencies Act.
00:29:15.120 The criteria that needed to be to be met legislatively were never met.
00:29:20.120 So, yeah, it was definitely the wrong call, in my opinion.
00:29:26.120 Yes. And certainly a lot of us felt that way so that you the gag order obviously has been lifted from you.
00:29:34.120 You're you're free to speak or you wouldn't be here right now or writing a book.
00:29:38.120 Or are there any other legal ramifications yet to come?
00:29:44.120 Oh, yes.
00:29:45.120 Well, we still Chris and I still have our trial in September.
00:29:49.120 We have a two week trial starting on September the 5th.
00:29:52.120 And then we still have the civil suit, four hundred and six million dollars civil suit against us.
00:29:58.120 That includes myself and Chris and some of the road captains and other supporters.
00:30:03.120 And and he's trying to include the donors now, too, so that we have a major class action lawsuit against us.
00:30:11.120 It's we're still waiting for it hasn't been certified yet, but we anticipate that that will be he'll be trying to do that very soon.
00:30:19.120 So I anticipate, unfortunately, being tied up in the legal system for years.
00:30:26.120 You know, once you get caught up in this system, it's really hard to get out of it.
00:30:30.120 That's that's true.
00:30:33.120 The the trial in September, though, should probably attract a lot of support for you and Chris.
00:30:39.120 And are you anticipating a lot of crowds?
00:30:42.120 I think so.
00:30:43.120 I mean, we've had we've certainly had a lot of support any time that we've had to show up in Ottawa.
00:30:49.120 So I don't expect this will be any different.
00:30:52.120 And, you know, the the Canadian people and have just been amazing, amazingly supportive and, you know, praying for us and sending lots of love.
00:31:01.120 So, yeah, it'll it'll be good to be back.
00:31:04.120 You know, I have a soft spot for Ottawa.
00:31:06.120 People might find that funny, but there's really great people there.
00:31:09.120 Well, I always seem to find myself coming back here for one reason or another, because I've I always want to go back to the West Coast and to BC.
00:31:19.120 But here I am back in Ottawa.
00:31:21.120 So I know what you mean.
00:31:23.120 And there are there are good people here, despite what what you might read or see.
00:31:29.120 Did you did you see any irony?
00:31:33.120 I don't know if you saw the pictures of the Public Service Alliance of Canada employees dancing and singing in the street on Wellington Street, no less in the midst of their strike where they basically got everything they wanted.
00:31:46.120 Yet this was the same union that criticized the Freedom Convoy as being a bunch of misogynist, racist and a danger to society.
00:31:56.120 Did you did you find that a bit ironic?
00:31:58.120 Oh, I found many ironies and double standards in that whole situation.
00:32:05.120 I was watching it with great, great interest.
00:32:08.120 And yeah, I and I think that's probably one of the reasons why they had to wrap that up so quickly, because the comparisons were were getting more and more vocal in the media.
00:32:20.120 Yeah.
00:32:21.120 You know, so I think they needed to shut that down as fast as they could because they were starting to look really bad.
00:32:26.120 It almost looked like a parody at times. 0.91
00:32:29.120 It was just I just found it absolutely astounding that they didn't see how how hypocritical they look. 0.61
00:32:36.120 But then again, that's that's that's like our government here.
00:32:41.120 So, yeah, I was just going to say it's like how we've all lived since 2015.
00:32:46.120 Well, I was watching the testimony yesterday of Justin Trudeau's brother, Alexander Trudeau, in front of the ethics committee.
00:32:57.120 And I was just astounded that there was actually another Trudeau who's more annoying, more arrogant than Justin Trudeau.
00:33:07.120 So it was just just incredible how he he was calling out a media organization that criticized him, saying you can't take that those people seriously.
00:33:21.120 That's just not credible journalism because they don't meet his standard.
00:33:25.120 And I thought that's Justin Trudeau all over again because it's totally because they don't print what they want them to print.
00:33:31.120 I mean, thank goodness for independent media throughout this whole thing and citizen journalists.
00:33:37.120 You know, if it wouldn't have been for, you know, you guys and Rupa and Andrew Lawton and Rebel News, of course, and so many other people that got out there and on the ground and actually showed what was really happening.
00:33:51.120 So, yeah, for him to even say that is still astonishing.
00:33:56.120 They're like they're still trying to make us believe that stuff.
00:33:59.120 Yeah, I mean, CBC and CTV rarely left their their cloistered offices during the convoy demonstration.
00:34:08.120 It was just too cold for them.
00:34:09.120 And those of us who are out there, I mean, we were we were looking at potential frostbite.
00:34:16.120 It was so cold.
00:34:17.120 But CBC just stayed in their offices and had their talking heads and they all agreed that this was a bad thing.
00:34:24.120 And it just amazed me.
00:34:26.120 You know, as it came out in the POEC, David, they didn't have to leave their office because they were already being fed the narrative.
00:34:33.120 I mean, they had the whole narrative crafted like we saw at the inquiry before I even got in big red to leave.
00:34:40.120 Hmm.
00:34:41.120 So, I mean, they didn't have to leave their offices.
00:34:43.120 They were getting it spoon fed to them the whole time.
00:34:46.120 Very, very true.
00:34:48.120 And that's, you know, that that continues.
00:34:51.120 And that's what happens with a media that's subsidized by the federal government.
00:34:55.120 And and, of course, one branch of the media that's completely owned by the federal government.
00:35:00.120 And it certainly does have have a very toxic effect.
00:35:05.120 And we saw that so vividly during the Freedom Convoy where the every mainstream media outlet was using the same script, the same talking points and talking to the same people who all and they all agreed.
00:35:19.120 And that to me is indicative of a one party state and authoritarian regime.
00:35:25.120 And as you say, thank God there are independent media.
00:35:29.120 And Giudo is doing his best, of course, to destroy that independent media.
00:35:34.120 But I don't think he's going to be successful because there's there's a thirst amongst so many Canadians for the truth, for for alternate news, for objectivity, for something other than CBC slash CTV slash the mainstream media.
00:35:52.120 So I'm hopeful.
00:35:53.120 So I'm hopeful.
00:35:54.120 But what do you think, Tamara, is the is or was or is the legacy of the Freedom Convoy?
00:36:03.120 What what does it mean for Canadians?
00:36:06.120 Unity and hope.
00:36:11.120 I hope.
00:36:12.120 And it it just showed fundamentally who Canadians are, the donations, you know, whether it was monetary or food or clothing.
00:36:22.120 I mean, what we or I at least feel so blessed to have witnessed and been a part of was the greatest show of.
00:36:30.120 Pride in our country that I've seen in my lifetime.
00:36:35.120 And it's unfortunate that the government chose to stomp all over it because they could have turned that into a beautiful, beautiful moment.
00:36:46.120 Hmm.
00:36:47.120 Those are beautiful words.
00:36:48.120 And I think a lot of a lot of us who watched that event unfold throughout that month of February and a few days in January were amazed that there was a political unification in this country around what really matters.
00:37:07.120 And I think that's for me, that was the defining moment is that it was no longer about party labels so much or even liberal conservative is about Canadians fighting for free speech and fighting for the basic freedoms that this government really wants to take away from us.
00:37:27.120 And I would would you say that was relevant as well?
00:37:31.120 Absolutely.
00:37:32.120 Yep.
00:37:33.120 Yep.
00:37:34.120 Yep.
00:37:35.120 And again, to to draw parallels to the strike that was just happening with the peace act workers.
00:37:40.120 I mean, we all just wanted to go back to work and have get our lives back and our freedoms back.
00:37:46.120 And these guys are out there stomping their feet and crying because they want to get paid more money and they don't want to have to go into an office.
00:37:53.120 Yeah.
00:37:54.120 Are you for real?
00:37:55.120 They already make 8% more than people doing similar work in the private sector, like crazy.
00:38:04.120 Yeah, it was one of those great ironic moments in Canadian history.
00:38:09.120 And it and to me, you know, it was it was a charade that they knew they were going to get what they wanted from the Trudeau government all along.
00:38:18.120 Those are his core supporters.
00:38:20.120 And it to me, they they really mishandled the moment, but that's for history to decide.
00:38:32.120 Thanks so much for joining me today, Tamara.
00:38:34.120 And I really wish you the best on the on the the book and that we can let's stay in touch.
00:38:41.120 And if you do a book launch here in Ottawa as part of your tour, I will be there.
00:38:48.120 And I do one right at Parliament Hill.
00:38:50.120 What do you think you should?
00:38:53.120 Yes, you should.
00:38:54.120 Yes, you should.
00:38:55.120 You should do one at Parliament Hill because I can I can tell you that there's an audience here not only for your book, but to see you again.
00:39:02.120 And to come out and see you and to hear how you're doing and people want to read your book to find out what all of this meant to you and what you really meant to the convoy.
00:39:15.120 I think you were instrumental, your key, your integral to the success of the convoy.
00:39:20.120 And it didn't end with the invocation of the Emergencies Act.
00:39:25.120 It never really ended.
00:39:27.120 You proved the point.
00:39:29.120 You were able to get.
00:39:32.120 COVID-19 mandates stalled and eventually reversed.
00:39:37.120 You had success despite being stomped on, as you say, by Trudeau's police judicial system and everything else that lined up behind this prime minister.
00:39:49.120 So I think you can take pride in the fact you had a political success here, a social success.
00:39:56.120 And I hope your book has the same kind of success.
00:40:00.120 Thank you.
00:40:01.120 Thanks so much, David.
00:40:03.120 Thanks for joining me again for the Post Millennial.
00:40:06.120 I'm David Creighton joining me today with Freedom Convoy leader Tamara Leach.
00:40:12.120 You believe how the left wing media treated her, how the Trudeau government treated her, how the judicial system treated her.
00:40:20.120 For goodness sakes.
00:40:22.120 This is a woman who decided to make a take a stand to make a political statement, a peaceful political statement. 0.98
00:40:29.120 And she was treated.
00:40:31.120 Like some kind of criminal. 0.99
00:40:34.120 She was treated as bad as a murderer or a rapist. 0.98
00:40:38.120 That's how we and we treat those people better in this country.
00:40:41.120 So let's face it.
00:40:42.120 This is going to be a fantastic interview.
00:40:44.120 I'm looking forward to talking to her tomorrow.
00:40:46.120 And we're going to be putting the broadcast up right away.
00:40:49.120 But I last spoke to Tamara at the Emergencies Act Inquirer here in Ottawa.
00:40:55.120 Had a picture taken with her and said she had been reading my columns about her, about the Freedom Convoy, said she really enjoyed them.
00:41:03.120 And I said, I really want to tell you that I admire the heroic stand that you've taken.
00:41:08.120 So that's that's coming up tomorrow.
00:41:11.120 Once again, I want to remind you, I want to ask you, please support this independent broadcast because we're doing what the mainstream media is not doing.
00:41:24.120 Look at this as your opportunity to have your say.
00:41:29.120 And I read your comments every week.
00:41:31.120 I know what you want.
00:41:32.120 I know what you're saying, and I'm trying to deliver the news as you want it.
00:41:38.120 Truthfully, objectively.
00:41:41.120 If I will criticize any political party, if I think it's out of line, I'm in nobody's political pocket.
00:41:48.120 I never will be.
00:41:49.120 I never have been.
00:41:50.120 Ask anybody who's ever worked with me, no matter what job I've had.
00:41:55.120 I've never been in anyone's political pocket because I fight for truth.
00:42:00.120 I fight for objectivity.
00:42:02.120 And most of all, I fight for free speech, which is the fast becoming evanescent vanishing in this country.
00:42:09.120 Thanks to Justin Trudeau.
00:42:10.120 He wants you to watch YouTube that he approves of.
00:42:13.120 And that's going to be a God awful YouTube channel hosted by Justin Trudeau, where he hectors lectures.
00:42:19.120 And tells you how to live and what to do.
00:42:23.120 And more importantly, what to think.
00:42:25.120 That's what he's all about.
00:42:27.120 So until the next time we meet, God bless you.
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