Stand on Guard with David Krayden - SOG60： Tamara Lich Interview： FREEDOM CONVOY LEGACY｜ Stand on Guard Ep 60

00:00:00.900 Well, welcome back to another episode of Stand on Guard.

00:00:03.620 I'm your host, David Creighton, and it's my great pleasure to have Tamara Leach of the Freedom Convoy with me again.

00:00:10.460 And we're going to be talking about a number of things, and we'll be back in just a minute.

00:00:15.260 So we are in a very precarious position in this country.

00:00:19.500 We need political change, but we also need to resolve to resist.

00:00:30.000 Ah, no, Tamara, I've taken in my writing, I've taken to referring to you as a Freedom Convoy personality, because I don't want anyone thinking you were an organizer, because that's what this whole trial is about.

00:00:46.540 So I don't know if you've noticed that, but I've been painstakingly trying to avoid any kind of linkage that would in any way help the prosecution in their charges here.

00:00:59.120 So I've been referring to you and Chris as personalities of the Freedom Convoy, because I think that really is something that you've become.

00:01:07.240 You've become a symbol, I think, of freedom in this country, not just a symbol of the Freedom Convoy, but a symbol of freedom.

00:01:15.700 I mean, how do you look back on the last couple of years, and we're heading into a two-year anniversary in February, and the trial will not be over, but we'll get to that in a minute.

00:01:26.780 But how do you feel right now? How does Tamara feel as a person, having gone through all of this up till now?

00:01:32.640 Well, I honestly don't think the magnitude of this has hit me yet, and I think I'm kind of waiting until the end of this trial, you know, so that everything's done and settled, so I can kind of sit down and process, you know, everything that's happened.

00:01:54.520 And it was the way I see it, I'm just a normal person, I'm just a regular person that, you know, got together with some other regular people, and we just had enough.

00:02:04.640 And so I don't feel any different, you know, like, I don't know how to explain it, I can only be me.

00:02:15.440 I think I understand exactly how you feel, you're not the sort of person who sees themselves as a star, and that's, and you really have become a symbol of freedom, though.

00:02:26.040 But you were telling me when we emailed the other day that the trial is on hold again, and you don't expect to get back until March? How is it possible?

00:02:39.260 I have no idea. They will have a couple more dates, but not full days. And then I think we've got about 10 days left for our defense. So hopefully mid-March, I guess. I don't know why it's taking so long.

00:02:53.660 But it's true what they say in the Canadian legal system, it's that the punishment is the process.

00:02:59.660 Oh, that's, that is so true. Even having to sit there day, day after day after day. Now you're going back and forth, obviously, from Ottawa, and you're,

00:03:09.260 when the trial is in session. I mean, you're going back from your home to Ottawa. Is it, is the travel taking a toll on you?

00:03:17.200 It's quite a drive, but my husband and I have got it down to an art now. We can make it in a half. As long as we team drive, we're good to go. But it, I mean, it's an incredible journey, but it's definitely one that we've come to love. Canada is a beautiful country. And if you haven't driven across it, everybody should. It's, it's gorgeous.

00:03:37.740 Yeah.

00:03:39.260 Yeah, I've, I've made the trip from my hometown in Comox, Vancouver Island, to Ottawa, both five times by car. So I agree with you completely. You don't really appreciate the, the length and breadth of this country until you travel by car. You just don't get it and buy, buy aircraft. And it is a huge and beautiful country. And I've had a chance to see some of the other parts out east as well, since I've been in Ottawa.

00:04:06.720 But it is a, it is a beautiful country. Now you were speaking before you started singing at your concert in Niagara on the lakes.

00:04:15.200 And you said you're basically have not been put into any kind of depression or anxiety over the, over the trial, over the charges that you're still fairly upbeat and optimistic about yourself and Canada.

00:04:30.580 Now, how do you really, how do you feel about the state of the country today?

00:04:34.100 Well, I'm concerned, obviously. And, but I, I feel like things are turning around. And I think I talked about that in that speech too. Like, I really feel,

00:04:45.160 A, that we're being bombarded by a lot of nonsense legislation and policies right now. And I don't think that that's by accident since the convoy. I think the convoy was the beginning of the end. It was like a great wake up.

00:04:59.220 So everything that they had kind of planned on implementing, they had to, they had to speed up and get it through faster. But the great thing about the convoy was it opened up so many people's eyes.

00:05:09.460 And I'll tell you, you know, people still come up to me all the time and they tell me their stories and I can't tell you how many people have said, you know, during the convoy, I didn't like you and I called you a lot of nasty names and I didn't know what you were doing there.

00:05:22.700 But throughout the course of what's happened since then, they've also had their eyes open. And so they can kind of, you know, they, they see the concerns that are happening in our country too.

00:05:32.960 So people are getting involved and taking action. And I think it's very positive. I mean, we are getting bombarded with a lot of negativity right now, but I mean, we're Canadians and we're some of the most positive people on the planet as far as I'm concerned. And I'm, I'm the same.

00:05:49.420 Well, I, I talked to a lot of Americans because my primary media, the post-millennial is cross border. So I do largely Canadian stories. I do a lot of Canadian columns are in American columns.

00:06:01.700 And when I'm speaking to people in the United States, they point to you in the freedom convoy as examples of what Canada is really all about. It's not about Justin Trudeau. It's not, it's not about craziness in the schools. It's not about censorship. It's about people like you in the freedom convoy.

00:06:21.700 And they really point to that experience in February, January, February, as being a turning point, not only for Canada, but for the world. And how does, I mean, is that, would you agree with that?

00:06:37.940 I would agree with that actually. You know, when we started organizing this, we had no idea how it was going to take off and no idea that it would go so global. You know, that was a shock to us, but it really did. It resonated all around the globe.

00:06:51.700 Yeah. And it's, it's amazing to me how everybody around the world is going through the same kind of crises and not just, not just with the mandates, but there's a war on farmers.

00:07:05.940 You know, I was recently at an event with Christine Anderson and one of the speakers was talking about the crisis in the Netherlands and how the farmers there have had such incredible trouble.

00:07:19.780 They have been, they have been, had rules and regulations imposed on them to limit the size of their farms, limit the size of their livestock, limit the size of the fertilizer they use or the amount of fertilizer they use.

00:07:30.640 And Canadian farmers are going through the same kind of thing. It's like there's a globalist trend here.

00:07:35.580 And I, and I think though, that what the Freedom Convoy achieved is that we can fight back. We can fight back. Canadians don't have to just sit here and take it.

00:07:47.460 And I want to thank you personally because you inspired me and the Freedom Convoy inspired me not to get another vaccine.

00:07:55.160 I got two vaccines because I thought it was the right thing to do.

00:07:59.320 I had a, I have a mother who's in a nursing home and I thought it's the right thing to do for, for the elderly. 0.89

00:08:04.840 It's, it's the responsible thing to do. And I trusted my government and I trusted the pharmaceutical companies to make a product that was safe.

00:08:13.180 And I have completely moved from that position. And I think, but because you stood up against it and Chris Barber stood up against it and so many thousands of others stood up against it.

00:08:24.740 You, you encouraged us all to say, we don't have to take this.

00:08:28.260 And I lost a sister last month who was a pro vaccine advocate and she couldn't get enough of it.

00:08:33.820 And I seriously believe her death from pneumonia was probably caused by the vaccine.

00:08:40.700 I know I'm not asking you to comment. I believe that, but I think my stake in this whole issue has become that much more personal because of that.

00:08:49.300 And I, I salute the work you did. And I think one of the reasons we're not walking around with masks on right now.

00:08:57.080 And, and we don't have a minister of health saying you better get another booster shot next month.

00:09:02.540 It's because of the work you did. So I, you know, I thank you for, for the courage that you showed and determination you've, you've showed going through this horrible legal process.

00:09:12.560 So I take me, I applaud you for that.

00:09:18.640 Thank you, David. That means a lot to me. Thank you.

00:09:21.000 Thank you.

00:09:51.000 I'm constantly telling Freedom Convoy participants to peacefully protest, not to interfere with the local residents and to obey the police.

00:10:01.860 If I heard it once, I heard it a hundred times and I scratched my head and I wrote about this extensively.

00:10:07.880 I said, what are they trying to prove with this? I mean, did you sit there and wonder what, what is the point here?

00:10:12.400 Well, I, I kind of sat there and thought, thank you. You're making your, this is my defense. So you're, you're presenting my whole defense. You know what I mean?

00:10:21.600 Yeah. Well, it was, it was extremely awkward. And at times, of course, prosecution played videotape or clips that they obviously hadn't even pre, pre heard or, or, or played for themselves because there was just background noise, phones going on.

00:10:42.040 And I, at times it was like, it was a three ring circus. And I was wondering what, what, what are they trying to do here? And I mentioned that, I mentioned that you're a lawyer.

00:10:52.500 And I think you're, you've, you've, you've been very well represented by Lawrence Greenspawn, who I've talked to most of the time. I know you've got three other folks on the, on the trial, but Lawrence, I think is doing a fabulous job.

00:11:05.960 And I spoke to him several times about the defense and he just, you know, he publicly doesn't want to see what he really wants to, what he's really feeling. But he agreed that the prosecution, it was tending to show a lot of clips that showed you and Chris Barber in a very favorable light.

00:11:21.480 And I think that's been the impression. I've talked to some of the reporters who are there and not always from friendly sources. And there's a general consensus is that this, that the prosecution was not always playing material that benefited their side of the case.

00:11:37.180 So I think overall, I mean, large, everybody knows my opinion on this case. I, I'm a columnist. I'm an op-ed writer as well as a reporter. I've made it clear that I'm on your side and, and I, I don't think there's a case here, but there's a lot of other media there who are, if they're not in the court every day, they're reporting on it. I think they've been fairly fair.

00:12:00.060 Have you, have you found the reporting thus far to be fairly objective and fair?

00:12:04.460 The tone shift in the reporting that's happened with probably within the last six months, as more and more evidence comes out that shows that we were peaceful and we were following the law and we did our very, very best to keep people safe and, you know, public safety and all that kind of stuff.

00:12:27.280 Um, I've noticed a shift in the tone of some of the mainstream media reporting, because I think they know they've lost the narrative. Like they lost the plot, read the room. And, um, so I think, uh, it's softening a little bit, you know, I mean, they still grab the, the headline catching quotes, like the downtown residents were terrorized or, you know what I mean?

00:12:52.220 But I think for the most part, uh, they're doing much better. I will tell you, uh, David Fraser is doing an amazing job with, and he's with the CBC. So, you know, when I talked to him a few days ago, before we left Ottawa to thank him, because I know that he's doing his very best to keep everything neutral and unbiased. And I think he's doing a good job. And so for me to shout out anybody from the CBC is quite a thing. Let me tell you, cause I'm not a fan.

00:13:22.220 I, I, I was going to mention, uh, David Fraser by name, because I've, uh, spoken to him on a number of occasions. And if I miss a day, that's, that's the story I go to, because I know I'm going to get the whole story. Unlike what I usually experience.

00:13:39.600 I've, I've, I've actually written for CBC in the past as sort of a token conservative columnist. And I know CBC has an intrinsic bias. I know they're tendentious. I know that they did everything possible to undermine the, your, this protest during the time it was occurring while they sat in their, their heated offices and never left.

00:14:03.620 And I, on the other hand, I was, I was reporting at the time for, uh, human events, uh, American publication. And I, I, I was out in the street freezing and I didn't see any other reporters in the mainstream media there.

00:14:17.620 Um, not often, you were going to say, yeah, it was, it was a travesty. Honestly, I think the mainstream media missed out on a golden opportunity.

00:14:31.720 I, you know, like we saw the unity that happened throughout the convoy. And I think the mainstream media had a golden opportunity to really bring the whole country together. If they would have only told the truth and instead they chose to call us, uh, names, uh, make wild accusations.

00:14:52.940 Like we were infiltrated by the Russians or tried to burn down an apartment building. I mean, there was no fact checking. And then as you saw throughout the inquiry, what happened was during the convoy, the police and the city were responding to media reports, but the media reports weren't accurate. And then you saw the cycle of BS basically that just perpetuated itself throughout the whole thing.

00:15:18.520 But if there was a lot of misinformation, I don't always like to use that word, but there was a lot of news stories that were totally based on social media reports from people like the, the, I, the one that comes to mind is that ridiculous story about the arson that supposedly occurred in an apartment complex. That was entirely based on one person's imaginary tweet. It was all from Twitter as it was known at the time.

00:15:47.420 And it was any investigation was based on some idiot writing about this arson that never happened. And if it had, what did it have to do with the freedom convoy? Like so many things we found out afterwards. 0.77

00:16:00.540 They were so desperate violent insurrectionists. They were so desperate. And that's why we had to take great pains to try and, you know, constantly remind people to be peaceful because they were just, it was provocation.

00:16:14.540 It was provocation. It was provocation at every corner, every turn. And I'll tell you the Canadians, they didn't bite. And, and it is something to be really proud of. You know, we, we held our ground. We remain.

00:16:28.300 We weren't, you know, radicals and, you know, destroying property. And so Canadians should be very proud of themselves for that. I think they, they really kept it together.

00:16:41.420 Yeah, I, I certainly think there was incredible restraint, Sean. And I was there, of course, when the emergencies act was invoked and the police came down very hard. It was brutal.

00:16:54.740 And reporters were even hurt in, in the rush and the suppression that, that occurred. And I, I was there to watch it, unlike a lot of other reporters who watched it from their windows.

00:17:08.880 And it was very brutal response. But I think at that point, a lot of Canadians said, this has gone way too far. This is not Canada. And peaceful protesters should not be under the boot, literal boot of the police. This looks more like a totalitarian state. And I think that affected public opinion, don't you?

00:17:29.120 Oh, totally. I do. Yeah. I think that was his, the beginning of his downfall, finally. But it sure has taken a long time. They could speed that up a little bit. That would be good.

00:17:40.280 Yeah. Of course, Justin Trudeau is not in any way involved in this trial. People keep suggesting to me that this is Trudeau against. And I say, yes, Trudeau's policy is there every day.

00:17:57.680 But this is technically not the federal government that has issued these charges. It strikes me, though, is very ironic. And I couldn't help but laugh at the irony and the hypocrisy. Trudeau, of course, and so many liberals described the Freedom Convoy participants as not just racist and misogynistic, but in Trudeau's famous words, which he lied about at the inquiry, said he'd never said that about Freedom Convoy participants being

00:18:28.100 racist and racist and misogynistic. He also tried to smear the Convoy with Nazi symbolism, claiming he saw a Nazi flag. And I'm not even going to get into that because it's such sheer nonsense. But so many liberals describe the Convoy as a bunch of Nazis, which I think is the ultimate smear these days. As calling someone a Nazi or a racist, it doesn't get much lower than that.

00:18:53.120 But it struck me as almost poetic justice when Trudeau and the Speaker and the government house leader all get implicated for inviting a former Nazi, Waffen-SS soldier to the House of Commons. He sits in the gallery and gets two standing ovations. Now, that was a real Nazi. Did you find that ironic that Justin Trudeau would be at the center of that?

00:19:17.800 Well, it's not surprising. I mean, these people aren't smart. Well, I shouldn't say that. They're smart people. They're just not wise. 0.97

00:19:26.660 And I said this in my speech in Niagara last weekend. You know, it feels like a bit of karma is coming back to bite these guys in the butt because the things that they accused us of doing is all coming back on them. 0.97

00:19:38.640 Like the taking money from foreign entities. Well, we found out what about four or five months ago that, excuse me, the Trudeau Foundation was taking money from Beijing. 0.78

00:19:48.960 They accused us of being infiltrated by the Russians and having foreign interference. Well, hello, China. 0.92

00:19:55.140 You know, that's come back on them also. And, you know, stuff like that.

00:20:00.060 Karma is the thing. And I believe all this, the things that they've accused us of doing is all coming back to roost now, you know, and it looks really bad for them.

00:20:12.540 I couldn't believe that Nazi in the house. I mean, oh, my gosh, do some research.

00:20:19.920 Yeah, I was actually the first Canadian publication, post-millennial was the first Canadian publication to release that story.

00:20:30.060 And actually, I have to confess, I found out about the story by reading Ezra LeVant's tweets the night before.

00:20:38.500 He was mulling over this and considering going with it.

00:20:42.160 And I and I and I and I said, holy hell, I know enough about the history myself.

00:20:46.740 And all I all I looked for was one credible source to say that this this was true, that this guy had been a member of this of this regiment.

00:20:56.600 And I found a Jewish publication in the States, very credible, had run with the story first.

00:21:02.740 And this was early Saturday morning. They had come up with the story.

00:21:06.560 And I said, yes, let's go with this. This is true.

00:21:09.500 And then, of course, a lot of other people followed.

00:21:12.180 But it wasn't until it became so well known in social media that the legacy media really acknowledged the story, that this was a massive embarrassment.

00:21:23.960 They've never acknowledged that Trudeau knew about it, that the House leader knew about it.

00:21:29.060 They met with this man before the event.

00:21:31.880 They had pictures taken with him.

00:21:33.820 They won't acknowledge that, but they will acknowledge that.

00:21:36.220 Yeah, the speaker invited the guy and it's a huge international embarrassment.

00:21:41.800 So I'm sure I thought about you at the time.

00:21:44.940 Well, they're being paid good money not to report on that.

00:21:49.600 What? What? Sorry?

00:21:51.940 Sorry to cut you off there. I think we had a bit of a lie.

00:21:54.620 I said, well, they're being paid good money not to report on stuff like that.

00:21:58.980 Well, it's true, isn't it?

00:22:01.040 And in the October update, there was more money allocated to legacy media to pay for reporters.

00:22:10.400 Trudeau continues to subsidize most of the media in Canada.

00:22:13.820 And I just did a story last night about the CBC.

00:22:17.940 Finally, the president of the CBC, Catherine Tate, is going to be hauled in front of the Heritage Committee to explain how it's possible to cut 600 positions

00:22:28.380 and still have bonuses for the executives.

00:22:31.880 I mean, I think this is finally, there's some responsibility.

00:22:41.080 And that to me...

00:22:43.320 Yeah, like, who are these people?

00:22:49.140 Yeah, how can you possibly cut 600 positions, still be getting $1.3 billion from taxpayers,

00:22:55.780 have paid advertising, and yet you can give bonuses to people?

00:23:01.960 And that, to me, shows how insulated the Ottawa bureaucracy is from reality.

00:23:08.780 I don't think they realize how tough it is.

00:23:11.740 No, they seem to live in a bit of a bubble out there, and they really have no sense of reality in the rest of the world,

00:23:23.880 is what I've kind of noticed, right?

00:23:26.980 Yeah.

00:23:28.140 There really is an Ottawa bubble, and they don't think that anything exists or happens of importance.

00:23:32.240 Yeah, I hear every day in the question period how Canada has the lowest inflation amongst the G7.

00:23:43.340 I don't believe it.

00:23:44.440 I think the numbers are being cooked.

00:23:47.160 I don't believe we have 3.1% annual inflation.

00:23:50.380 I have to buy groceries every week, and that's certainly not what I'm seeing in reality.

00:23:55.980 And I'm not seeing that anywhere in Canada, the inflation rate that low.

00:24:00.920 But I don't think the people who say that really have an appreciation for how hard it is to make a living

00:24:08.620 and how high the cost of living is.

00:24:11.280 And even more so, statistics like saying that we're the lowest in the G7 doesn't pay your bills.

00:24:20.760 It doesn't put gas in your tank and doesn't heat your house.

00:24:24.460 And I heard a member say that last week, and I thought,

00:24:26.960 you don't often hear profound things said in question period.

00:24:30.500 You hear a lot of rhetoric on both sides, talking points.

00:24:33.760 But that, to me, struck a nerve, is that, no, statistics from the government aren't going to pay the bills.

00:24:41.300 And I thought that was very profound.

00:24:45.520 I agree.

00:24:46.360 And, you know, Christopher Freeland acts like we should all be falling all over ourselves

00:24:53.320 and so grateful for what a fantastic job they're doing.

00:24:56.200 And meanwhile, I'm going to tell you, I live in a very small city.

00:24:59.600 And the homelessness here that I have seen change and grow is shocking.

00:25:08.020 It's shocking.

00:25:08.660 You know, even in Ottawa, you know, you go down Rideau Street in Ottawa,

00:25:14.240 like the homeless, there's a massive problem there.

00:25:17.000 You know, I mean, I think they, like I said, they're just so out of touch with reality.

00:25:22.360 It's all word salad and virtue signaling nonsense.

00:25:25.880 Like let's, question period is a great example.

00:25:28.460 Wouldn't you rather turn on the TV and see two sides of the house working together to solve some problems

00:25:34.440 instead of this, what is akin to watching a WWE wrestling match? 0.92

00:25:39.940 I mean, it's ridiculous. 0.96

00:25:41.500 You're running a country. 0.97

00:25:43.100 This isn't, you know, kindergarten playtime.

00:25:46.400 Let's be adults and fix some problems.

00:25:49.940 Yeah.

00:25:50.600 And that, and they, it always seems to come back to climate change.

00:25:56.480 No matter what the question is, it's all about climate change.

00:25:59.460 And I don't know anybody who's losing sleep over climate change.

00:26:04.040 I know a lot of people who are losing sleep over their mortgages or over their rents,

00:26:08.640 over the price of gas and groceries.

00:26:10.680 But I don't know anybody who's losing sleep over climate change.

00:26:14.960 And that's, that, that to me is one of the travesties.

00:26:18.180 The people that will be losing sleep over climate change are the ones that make a lot of money off of it, right?

00:26:22.820 That's it, period.

00:26:25.780 Yeah.

00:26:26.480 Yeah.

00:26:27.040 And I recently lampooned a video that Justin Trudeau put out where he's a heat pump salesman.

00:26:36.200 And it's just, you have to see it to believe it.

00:26:38.080 Maybe, maybe you have.

00:26:39.500 And he's, he's literally pretending to install a heat pump.

00:26:43.820 And he's, he's got Seamus O'Regan standing uncomfortably next to him, nodding, nodding about how these are just wonderful.

00:26:53.180 And they're, they're, they're, they're the panacea for Canada's heating problem.

00:26:58.560 And I have said a dozen times now that not only are they not carbon neutral, you have to plug them in.

00:27:06.800 And they have a power source.

00:27:09.940 There's no magic power source.

00:27:11.620 They need electricity.

00:27:13.760 And there's not enough electricity in Atlanta, Canada to power them for every home that they're supposed to go in.

00:27:19.020 But not only that, they don't work in temperatures below minus 15 degrees Celsius.

00:27:25.500 So, I'm thinking, here's Justin Trudeau in a video that I think 500 people watched.

00:27:33.040 500 people watched the prime minister's video.

00:27:36.180 And he's selling heat pumps as a, as a solution that's not going to work.

00:27:42.020 And I think, how low can this man go in terms of lying?

00:27:45.880 How low can he go?

00:27:47.580 Oh, I don't, I don't think that, I don't think he could drop the bar any lower, honestly.

00:27:50.920 I mean, yeah, he, I don't think, I don't think he ever is capable of telling the whole truth.

00:27:58.840 And this is a, this is a man who spent his life performing blackface.

00:28:05.320 And yet, the first thing he accuses his critics of is racism. 0.98

00:28:09.400 And it just, the hypocrisy and the narcissism is just phenomenal.

00:28:15.200 And, and, and of course, that's the first thing he accused the Freedom Convoy of. 0.99

00:28:18.840 First thing, racist, misogynist, which is what he is. 0.96

00:28:23.720 Yep. 1.00

00:28:25.780 Yep.

00:28:27.280 Somebody said that, made that comment to me the other day that they thought it was funny that the, one of the main organizers, me, that they were, you know, so misogynistic.

00:28:38.760 Yeah, and he, he seems to want it both ways, claiming that you're the primary organizer, but somehow you're not, you're not a man.

00:28:48.980 And that's, that didn't ever seem to jive with, with Trudeau's narrative or the narrative of much of the mainstream media at the time.

00:28:56.700 So, so I think, you know, we're, we're, we're at least halfway through the trial.

00:29:02.700 And as I've said several times, this is the sort of thing that should have been over in a couple of days.

00:29:09.260 It shouldn't have happened at all, but it should have been over in a couple of days.

00:29:13.620 Most mischief trials don't even come to a trial or mischief charges don't even come to a trial.

00:29:19.520 Well, and yet here we are, we started the Tuesday after Labor Day, I remember it quite vividly, it was a beautiful summer day.

00:29:28.200 And here we are approaching winter, and we're not even halfway, we're about halfway through, I guess.

00:29:36.660 And we probably won't have a verdict, though, what, till maybe summer?

00:29:41.280 Maybe, yeah.

00:29:42.300 I mean, if we get wrapped up in March, which, like I said, I'm not sure how many days we still have left.

00:29:47.760 I think it's about 10 days.

00:29:50.200 If we can find all those dates in March, then who knows how long it's going to take for her to make her decision, too.

00:29:55.560 So, I mean, yeah, we could be looking at the summer or fall, which is absolutely, I mean, the taxpayer money that they are spending on this is phenomenal.

00:30:06.460 And when you think about it, I mean, with the, even with the lack of evidence that you've seen and I've seen, I mean, I don't even know how this made it past the JPT.

00:30:14.440 No, I don't either, in all honesty, except we both know it's political.

00:30:22.500 We both know this would never have happened to anybody else if there wasn't a political basis for this.

00:30:30.640 And I think, as I watch this, and I have written quite extensively on how humorous it can be at times, but also, in the back of my mind, I'm saying this is all about intimidation.

00:30:45.320 This is all about trying to ensure this doesn't happen again.

00:30:50.000 This is all about convincing Canadians that if you protest Justin Trudeau's policies or the provincial government's policies or even the municipal government's policies, you're going to be hauled in front of a courtroom, embarrassed, humiliated, and they'll attempt to bankrupt you in the process.

00:31:09.460 And I know you're getting, you're getting fundraising for this, thank God for that, because you couldn't do it otherwise, who could?

00:31:16.900 But do you think that's at the, is that foundational to this?

00:31:20.980 Is this about intimidation?

00:31:22.240 Excuse me.

00:31:30.840 100%.

00:31:31.280 100% it is.

00:31:33.600 Unfortunately for them, they picked on the wrong woman, because I am not going to back down.

00:31:38.760 They do not scare me, and they do not intimidate me, and so they have no power over me.

00:31:45.060 But what they're trying to do is scare everybody else, right?

00:31:48.600 Well, don't do this, like you said, or we're going to drag you through the court system. 0.93

00:31:52.260 I'm very lucky that I have the democracy fund helping me with my legal fees, but all the cost of us traveling back and forth, staying there, eating there, all comes out of our pocket.

00:32:04.960 So, you know, it is, it is, it's lawfare.

00:32:09.340 They want to deplete your resources and demoralize you and intimidate you, and unfortunately for them, in my case, it's not going to work.

00:32:18.760 No, clearly it has not worked.

00:32:20.680 And I don't think it's intimidating the amount of Canadians that they hoped it would, because your story is inspirational.

00:32:30.560 And that leads me to my next to last question.

00:32:34.760 How is, how is the book doing?

00:32:36.180 How is Hold the Line, the book doing?

00:32:38.420 It's good.

00:32:45.020 I'm not, I'm not exactly sure what the numbers that we've sold, but you know, it's, it's, in Canada, it's really hard to have a book take off.

00:32:51.900 But it's being very well received.

00:32:53.920 I do see, you know, a lot of the comments and reviews on Amazon, and a lot of people are really enjoying it.

00:32:59.280 And I find it to be a very easy read.

00:33:01.720 It's easy to get through.

00:33:02.960 And a lot of, there's a lot of details in it that people didn't know about it.

00:33:07.360 And it's funny, when we started talking about writing the book, you know, we discussed how long it should be.

00:33:12.540 And I remember Ezra saying about 200, 250 pages, and I just thought, that's impossible.

00:33:20.940 Like, this is a saga, you know, there's like so much, there's even so much that's not even in the book.

00:33:26.960 Like, there was just so much happening at the time, and so much even that's come out through the inquiry, and even some of the evidence that we've heard here through our trial.

00:33:34.980 So, so yeah, I'm really proud of it.

00:33:38.460 And maybe there'll be a second one to kind of wrap the bow around it after this is all over.

00:33:45.080 Well, that's, that's an interesting prospect, because the story is certainly not finished, is it?

00:33:50.300 You've got more to tell.

00:33:52.120 So where do you, what happens to you after this trial is all over?

00:33:57.260 And I'm hoping and praying for your vindication, and your acquittal.

00:34:02.200 So, but whatever the, whatever the case, what happens to you after, after this is all over?

00:34:07.340 Where, where, where does your life go?

00:34:14.400 That's a great question.

00:34:15.840 I ask myself that every day.

00:34:18.400 My focus, well, my focus right now is to make sure that everybody else that needs help fundraising for legal fees,

00:34:25.560 because there's a lot of people that have trials coming up or hearings coming up or fines to pay that don't, don't have, you know, an organization like TDF or the JCCF helping them.

00:34:36.480 So I think it's really important that all of these people get some attention and, and some funding so that if there's one thing I've learned out of this whole experience is that, you know, you get the lawyer that you pay for, unfortunately.

00:34:50.080 And at the end of the day, that's really what it comes down to.

00:34:53.680 And so I really want to try and help as many people as we possibly can.

00:35:00.740 And then I don't know what's going to happen.

00:35:02.580 What, I mean, I really, I would like to continue advocating for Canadians' rights and freedoms.

00:35:07.700 I mean, that's something I believe that we always have to be vigilant about.

00:35:11.760 And then I think we've lost that.

00:35:13.100 This is, this is why we're at where we're at.

00:35:14.700 You know, we kind of dropped our guard on that a little bit.

00:35:17.500 And I think that we need people that are going to, that are going to stand up for those rights and be vocal about it.

00:35:25.300 Well, I think in you, Canadian freedom has not only an eloquent spokeswoman, but a courageous one who's actually lived it.

00:35:34.560 It's easy, much easier to talk about these things, to say, to espouse freedom, to espouse liberty.

00:35:42.060 But when you've had to live it the way you have, and you've had to defend it the way you have, I think that gives you a credibility that a lot of commentators and pundits will never have.

00:35:52.140 And I think that makes you rather unique.

00:35:54.500 And I hope you can continue to fight for freedom, no matter where your life goes, Tamara.

00:35:59.720 Thank you, David.

00:36:09.520 Well, that's, thanks for, thanks for talking.

00:36:12.280 However it goes, I'm sure it won't be boring.

00:36:14.800 No, I don't think anything will be boring henceforth.

00:36:18.640 But it's, we're two weeks away from, less than two weeks away from Christmas.

00:36:22.080 It's, boy, I don't know where the year's gone.

00:36:24.320 It has been a busy year, and I'm sure you feel the same.

00:36:27.020 But I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas, and I will see you back in the courthouse in March.

00:36:35.260 And I know my readers are hoping and praying along with me that this is a happy ending for you.

00:36:44.000 And thanks for keeping me apprised of what's been happening, and I'll continue to communicate.

00:36:50.160 And God willing, when victory comes with the judge's statement, we can celebrate together.

00:37:01.840 Yes, it's always a pleasure to talk to you, David.

00:37:04.220 Thank you very much for having me.

00:37:07.620 Well, thank you for being here today, Tamara.

00:37:10.020 And saying goodbye from Stand on Guard.

00:37:12.500 I'm your host, David Creighton.

00:37:13.700 It's been my pleasure talking to Tamara Leach for the last half hour or so.

00:37:17.760 And God bless you all.

Stand on Guard with David Krayden - December 09, 2023

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