Stand on Guard with David Krayden - May 25, 2023


SOG8： Trudeau and Johnston thumbs down on public inquiry into Chinese election interference + more ｜ Stand on Guard Ep 8


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22 minutes

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136.96135

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3,083

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220

Hate Speech Sentences

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Summary

Special Rapporteur David Johnson's report on Chinese election interference in Canada's election doesn't call for a public inquiry. Does that mean we don't need one? Is there a deep state in Canada? Or is there something else going on here?


Transcript

00:00:00.740 Hi, welcome back to another episode of Stand on Guard with David Creighton.
00:00:05.860 I'm your host, David Creighton.
00:00:07.220 We're going to be talking a lot today.
00:00:09.560 Almost the only topic we're going to talk about today is the report from the special
00:00:14.120 rapporteur that came out this week.
00:00:16.400 Lots to listen to today.
00:00:25.200 So we are in a very precarious position in this country.
00:00:28.220 We need political change, but we also need to resolve to resist.
00:00:42.520 Nothing like a few technical problems start to show off with a bang.
00:00:47.880 But of course, the big news this week, David Johnson, former governor general and ex-member
00:00:55.440 of the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation Board of Directors, came out with his report on
00:01:03.280 Chinese election interference.
00:01:06.680 No surprise here.
00:01:09.160 He didn't recommend a public inquiry.
00:01:13.180 David Johnson has become synonymous with Mr. Cover-Up.
00:01:18.840 That's all it's about.
00:01:20.960 You know, I've seen some crazy headlines around YouTube.
00:01:25.480 Some people say the end of Canada.
00:01:27.740 No, if you think about this, this is a continuation of Trudeau's Canada.
00:01:33.180 This is about a government that's run by insiders and who hire other insiders to cover things
00:01:41.360 up for them.
00:01:42.580 And that's what this report is all about.
00:01:44.480 So we're going to be listening to it.
00:01:46.120 I'm going to be commenting on that report.
00:01:49.180 But without further ado.
00:01:53.120 Based on my review, I have reached five clear conclusions.
00:01:59.120 First, foreign governments are undoubtedly attempting to influence candidates and voters in Canada.
00:02:05.560 Foreign interference is a real and growing threat, and more remains to be done promptly to strengthen
00:02:12.660 our capacity to detect, deter, and counter foreign interference in elections.
00:02:19.700 Second, when viewed in full context with all of the relevant intelligence, several leaked materials
00:02:26.200 that raised legitimate questions turn out to have been misconstrued in some media reporting,
00:02:31.920 presumably because of the lack of this context.
00:02:35.560 Third, I have identified serious shortcomings in the way intelligence is communicated and
00:02:43.020 processed from security agencies through to government.
00:02:46.840 I'll bet you have.
00:02:47.980 Fourth, a further public process is required.
00:02:52.900 But there should not and need not be a separate formal public inquiry.
00:02:57.540 A public inquiry examining the leaked materials could not be undertaken in public, given the sensitivity of the intelligence.
00:03:08.840 So here we have the special rapporteur.
00:03:12.500 And I bet you nobody had even heard of this position prior to Trudeau coming up with this fanciful idea
00:03:19.940 of putting an old friend of the family in charge of this investigation who promptly comes back and says,
00:03:25.880 hey, we don't need a public inquiry.
00:03:28.280 Maybe some public hearings.
00:03:29.960 Guess what?
00:03:30.580 Those public hearings are going to be loaded with friends of the liberals to ask the right questions.
00:03:38.280 And get off this nonsense about it's all classified so we can't have a public inquiry.
00:03:43.180 You know, I bet you Richard Nixon would have loved to have a special rapporteur when he was going through Watergate
00:03:48.700 because it could have had somebody come back and say, hey, we don't need any more investigation.
00:03:53.220 Well, we'll have a few public hearings and this will all be behind us.
00:03:56.400 But, you know, as the member of Parliament, Michael Cooper, told me on Tuesday night,
00:04:01.920 David Johnson isn't going to make the Chinese election scandal, interference scandal, go away.
00:04:10.000 Hey, Justin Trudeau isn't, and neither is he.
00:04:13.080 Let's listen to a bit more here.
00:04:15.840 However, public hearings on the serious governance and policy issues identified to date should and will be held
00:04:23.540 at the earliest possible date as part of the second phase of my mandate.
00:04:34.040 Do you wonder how much we're paying this guy?
00:04:35.940 I would sure like to know, because people like him have been on the government payroll for most of their lives,
00:04:42.460 benefiting from either liberal or conservative governments that are in there.
00:04:46.280 And you thought he was one of ours.
00:04:49.800 No, he may have been appointed by Stephen Harper, a conservative prime minister,
00:04:54.620 but they're all part of the same Ottawa elite, the same Ottawa establishment.
00:04:59.020 We don't talk much about the deep state in Canada.
00:05:03.760 But if all we mean is the established bureaucracy that is essentially the tail wagging the dog,
00:05:10.080 then there is a deep state because it exists in the form of a bureaucracy that is extremely hard to change
00:05:18.400 and it has its own will and mind.
00:05:21.520 Finally, I recognize this report's conclusions would be met with skepticism by some,
00:05:33.740 especially by those who in good faith have worked to raise legitimate questions around these issues.
00:05:39.740 The challenge is this.
00:05:42.200 What has allowed me to determine whether there has in fact been interference cannot be disclosed publicly.
00:05:48.580 A public review of classified intelligence simply cannot be done.
00:05:56.340 Therefore, fifth, I recommend the prime minister invite the two oversight committees on national security,
00:06:04.060 ENSACOP and INSERA.
00:06:06.720 Isn't that convenient?
00:06:08.240 Can't have a public inquiry.
00:06:10.360 Just can't be done.
00:06:13.260 Did you notice he never mentions China?
00:06:15.960 This reminds me of the famous broadcast from Pope Pius XII when he was supposed to be addressing the Holocaust,
00:06:26.720 except he never mentioned Nazis, Germany, or Jews in the entire broadcast.
00:06:34.420 And this reminds me exactly what's going on here.
00:06:37.600 It's got nothing to do with China.
00:06:39.220 It's foreign.
00:06:41.020 There he goes.
00:06:42.400 To review my conclusions and provide them with all supporting materials,
00:06:48.220 including an annex which contains the classified information.
00:06:53.160 If they disagree with my conclusions, they should say that.
00:06:57.760 And we did have the documents.
00:07:07.240 Now we're coming up to a later part of the news conference when he addresses how the Conservative Party of Canada says there are up to 11 writings in the greater Toronto area that were targeted by the Chinese with election interference.
00:07:22.280 And this could have been crucial to the last liberal minority win.
00:07:28.580 Now, we have Johnson here saying that Conservative leader Pierre Paliyev refused to meet with him.
00:07:36.340 So he sat down with the former Conservative leader, Aaron Atul, and this is what transpired.
00:07:41.120 In which they set out allegations with respect to, I think, 11 different ridings.
00:07:45.260 And we considered that going back to late April, early May.
00:07:50.360 But around about May 23rd was the deadline from our report.
00:07:55.840 We saw a meeting, and Mr. Atul responded quickly for a meeting, and that was on this past Wednesday, Sheila.
00:08:02.280 We had a very helpful, lengthy meeting.
00:08:07.460 Mr. Atul is a man for whom I have great respect.
00:08:09.740 I know well.
00:08:10.720 He's a former military man.
00:08:12.120 He's cleared for the top secret clearance, so he's no stranger to military intelligence.
00:08:18.620 And he presented with us a review of the matters covered in the media and some modeling elections.
00:08:28.060 In his view, that in perhaps a minimum of four or a maximum of nine instances,
00:08:34.180 constituencies' results were affected by that.
00:08:38.120 We took that material on the Wednesday.
00:08:41.080 We did indicate that our report was a part of our report at that time had gone for translation
00:08:46.520 because we were trying to deal with it, but it was not final.
00:08:49.120 We considered those materials with care.
00:08:52.560 We responded to them with positions in our report, and we set them out.
00:08:57.180 And we found what Mr. – we differ in our conclusion with Mr. Atul's conclusion,
00:09:03.520 that there was a tilt in those elections in four to nine cases,
00:09:08.900 and Elections Canada has found no interference.
00:09:12.200 So that was our conclusion, which is different than Mr. Atul's.
00:09:14.920 Now, we're going to get to another section here, and this is very interesting
00:09:27.860 because this is a press conference the following day that became all about the special rapporteur's report.
00:09:36.800 It wasn't supposed to be about that at all.
00:09:38.240 But reporters are not taking this cover-up lying down.
00:09:43.720 They're clearly uncomfortable with what Justin Trudeau was trying to feed them.
00:09:49.120 And I want you to watch this because it shows you how Justin Trudeau doesn't believe he's ever going to get a tough question
00:10:01.460 from one of his friendly reporters.
00:10:03.760 And just watch this.
00:10:04.700 Thank you. That will conclude today's press conference.
00:10:07.920 Mr. C. Sivak.
00:10:09.360 Right here.
00:10:10.180 The Prime Minister –
00:10:10.800 Sorry, I'll take a question from Justin because I haven't seen him in a while.
00:10:14.100 I appreciate that.
00:10:15.440 Prime Minister, the report does indicate that Handong, a former Liberal MP,
00:10:20.960 was the unwitting beneficiary probably of the influence campaign on his nomination race.
00:10:26.160 It indicates he went on to forge a relationship with the Chinese consulate in Toronto,
00:10:29.660 and it said he was having conversations with the consulate about the two Michaels in detention in China,
00:10:35.500 even if some of the reports were incorrect.
00:10:37.740 Can you tell us what the nature of those conversations were?
00:10:40.800 And do you see a path back into the Liberal caucus for Mr. Dong?
00:10:44.560 I think on this point, the report by Mr. Johnston was fairly unequivocal that there were false allegations made against Mr. Dong,
00:11:00.340 and I look forward to having conversations with him.
00:11:03.380 He decided to step away from caucus in order to clear his name.
00:11:06.360 I will hear from him on what his thinking is going forward.
00:11:11.160 Now, it's a follow-up question that matters.
00:11:13.440 I think the report by Mr. Johnston has been very clear that there were false allegations against Mr. Dong.
00:11:24.600 As you know, Mr. Dong has chosen to be removed from caucus to be able to fight against his allegations.
00:11:33.800 I will surely have a conversation with him on how he is at this moment and what his reflections are for the next steps.
00:11:42.940 Just finally, you know, you're calling on Canadians to build trust, but as Mr. Johnston reports makes clear,
00:11:51.100 you had intelligence and you were briefed on an attempt by Beijing to meddle in our democracy,
00:11:56.980 and you didn't tell the public.
00:11:58.100 Given that, you know, doesn't rebuilding trust have to start with you?
00:12:02.800 And going forward, do you have to create a better disclosure regime?
00:12:07.820 Now, look at that stance.
00:12:10.560 Read that body language.
00:12:12.760 What is Justin Trudeau telling us here?
00:12:15.000 He's saying, I can't believe this.
00:12:16.800 I thought I had these guys bought and paid for.
00:12:19.440 They're in my pocket.
00:12:21.080 How can this reporter be asking me a real tough question?
00:12:24.480 They're always asking the softball questions.
00:12:26.840 But this guy actually doesn't believe me.
00:12:30.680 And you see that look of shock in his face here.
00:12:33.480 And it turns into real anger.
00:12:35.660 That discloses these sorts of attempts to meddle in our democracy,
00:12:38.280 even or even especially when it benefits your party.
00:12:42.600 Sorry, Justin.
00:12:43.520 I'm still hung up on the fact that you think I wasn't telling Canadians about foreign interference.
00:12:49.060 I talked about foreign interference from the very beginnings of getting elected.
00:12:53.820 That's why we move forward on a committee of parliamentarians to oversee what our security agencies were doing.
00:13:00.940 That's why in January of 2019, we created the elections protocol that ensured that while our 2019 election was going on,
00:13:11.920 our top public servants would be able to monitor through updates daily from our intelligence agencies,
00:13:19.160 the state of foreign interference into our elections.
00:13:22.600 Now, we made those announcements in 2019,
00:13:25.200 and we have continually talked about the threat of foreign interference since then.
00:13:29.500 There's a NSICOP report going back to 2017 on foreign interference that I highly recommend people look at.
00:13:36.880 I believe it was 2017.
00:13:39.060 The subject of foreign interference isn't something that suddenly sprang up over the past months.
00:13:45.320 This is something we have been taking seriously as a government for years.
00:13:50.880 And not just here in Canada, but in 2018, when we hosted the G7 in Charlevoix,
00:13:59.060 we created a rapid response mechanism for all G7 countries to respond
00:14:05.320 to foreign interference in our democracies.
00:14:11.240 So maybe you're just waking up to the fact that there's foreign interference,
00:14:15.160 but I've been talking about it for years.
00:14:17.360 And what...
00:14:18.060 Aha.
00:14:19.580 He's been talking about it actually for about three weeks now,
00:14:22.660 because that's the only reason this became an issue for him,
00:14:26.420 is because there is ceaseless whistleblowers, one or more,
00:14:30.220 who brought the story to the attention of the national media,
00:14:34.100 and in those press clippings dropped on Dustin Trudeau's desk.
00:14:39.240 Suddenly, he became aware of it in the last two months, maybe.
00:14:46.100 Aware of it as an issue.
00:14:48.320 But of course, he knew well before that,
00:14:51.360 that China was interfering in Canadian elections,
00:14:53.880 but he did nothing about it.
00:14:56.040 And that's what the reporter is getting at here,
00:14:57.980 Justin Trudeau, like it was an issue of prominence for him?
00:15:03.680 Absolutely not.
00:15:05.400 It certainly was not.
00:15:07.680 And it is...
00:15:09.360 It is extremely frustrating
00:15:14.040 to listen to this man
00:15:17.220 try to manufacture the facts.
00:15:21.560 That's exactly what he's doing here.
00:15:23.360 And, of course,
00:15:26.200 and, you know,
00:15:27.020 and for him to blame the media,
00:15:29.540 saying that,
00:15:30.620 why weren't you guys reporting on this,
00:15:33.200 when that's the only reason
00:15:36.280 he's suddenly concerned about it,
00:15:38.920 is it has become
00:15:40.140 a crisis management issue
00:15:42.240 for the Liberal Party
00:15:43.580 and the Trudeau government,
00:15:45.360 because it's been front and center in the media.
00:15:48.980 The media has been reporting on it,
00:15:50.780 but he has the gall
00:15:52.420 to suggest that it was the media
00:15:54.980 not reporting on this.
00:15:56.380 He was so concerned.
00:15:57.920 His government made a priority
00:15:59.860 out of this issue.
00:16:01.740 And, of course,
00:16:02.200 it's all nonsense.
00:16:03.740 It's absolute nonsense.
00:16:06.740 Now,
00:16:07.180 to conclude here,
00:16:08.440 I want you to watch
00:16:09.320 this clip.
00:16:10.840 It's compliments
00:16:12.460 of Pierre Polyev's
00:16:14.240 Twitter site,
00:16:16.980 but I think it's well worth watching.
00:16:20.240 We're not here
00:16:20.940 to be a propaganda organ
00:16:23.720 for any political party.
00:16:25.960 Obviously,
00:16:26.560 I think some are better than others.
00:16:28.820 But,
00:16:29.780 remember,
00:16:30.600 it was Stephen Harper,
00:16:31.940 our conservative,
00:16:32.820 who put this
00:16:33.440 Johnson
00:16:34.740 into the governor
00:16:37.480 generalship.
00:16:38.260 so they were all
00:16:40.700 in this together
00:16:41.700 to a large degree.
00:16:43.080 But I want you to watch this
00:16:44.200 because it really is
00:16:45.340 quite interesting.
00:16:48.120 I'm good friends
00:16:49.440 and our friendship
00:16:50.280 with Mr. Trudeau
00:16:51.620 goes back to
00:16:52.440 children's days
00:16:53.240 when our five daughters
00:16:54.340 and he and his two brothers
00:16:55.900 skied together
00:16:56.680 at Mont-Tremblant.
00:16:57.800 Tell us a little more of that
00:16:59.060 because a lot of Canadians
00:16:59.900 don't realize
00:17:00.680 that you,
00:17:01.700 in fact,
00:17:02.120 were a very good friend
00:17:02.960 of Pierre Elliott Trudeau
00:17:04.260 and that your family,
00:17:05.460 you knew all the Trudeau kids
00:17:07.940 when they were growing up.
00:17:09.400 I guess it shows
00:17:09.980 what a small country
00:17:10.880 Canada is
00:17:11.580 but when Mr. Trudeau
00:17:12.880 left politics,
00:17:14.120 came back to Montreal,
00:17:15.280 his host was just
00:17:16.080 on the edge
00:17:16.960 of the McGill campus
00:17:17.840 and I and the rector
00:17:19.380 of the University of Montreal
00:17:20.300 were working very hard
00:17:21.360 for him to return
00:17:22.560 to the University of Montreal
00:17:24.220 Faculty of Law
00:17:25.180 where he'd been
00:17:25.540 a constitutional law professor
00:17:26.780 and have a joint appointment
00:17:27.940 to McGill.
00:17:28.740 His three boys
00:17:29.540 were the same age
00:17:30.440 as our five daughters
00:17:31.820 so we were kind of
00:17:33.660 a ski party
00:17:34.700 from time to time
00:17:35.520 at Mont-Tremblant
00:17:36.220 where we have a place
00:17:37.560 and we'd ski on weekends
00:17:38.600 so we got to know
00:17:39.360 the children
00:17:40.940 and our friendship,
00:17:42.440 our relationship
00:17:42.980 was really built
00:17:43.820 out of childhood exchanges
00:17:45.780 and our children
00:17:46.520 had enormous respect
00:17:47.620 for Mr. Trudeau Sr.
00:17:49.900 He was a lovely,
00:17:51.080 a wonderful father
00:17:51.800 and very good with children.
00:17:53.920 He would lead them
00:17:54.820 into discussions
00:17:55.580 that would be,
00:17:57.880 let's talk about
00:17:59.260 how many functioning
00:18:00.360 democracies there are
00:18:01.440 in the world,
00:18:01.900 for example.
00:18:02.760 This was with teenagers.
00:18:03.980 It was just great.
00:18:07.640 Yeah, you saw
00:18:09.840 the pictures there
00:18:11.740 at the end.
00:18:12.400 That's especially touching,
00:18:13.560 isn't it?
00:18:14.420 Yeah, the two of the
00:18:15.820 world leaders
00:18:17.300 that Pierre Trudeau
00:18:18.560 admired very much.
00:18:20.640 Of course,
00:18:21.220 one of them
00:18:21.500 was Mao Zedong,
00:18:22.420 one of the worst
00:18:23.600 mass murderers
00:18:25.500 in the history
00:18:26.440 of the world.
00:18:28.200 Probably the greatest
00:18:29.340 political killing machine
00:18:31.700 of the 20th century,
00:18:33.700 worse than Hitler
00:18:34.260 and Stalin
00:18:34.960 in terms of the deaths
00:18:37.180 he was responsible for.
00:18:40.000 But Trudeau was quick
00:18:41.020 to eulogize
00:18:43.680 Mao Zedong
00:18:44.860 in the House of Commons
00:18:46.460 when he passed away
00:18:48.260 in 1976.
00:18:50.160 People remember that.
00:18:51.420 And of course,
00:18:51.900 there he is
00:18:52.280 with Fidel Castro,
00:18:53.840 another one of those
00:18:54.760 freedom fighters
00:18:55.680 that Mr. Trudeau
00:18:56.680 admired so much.
00:18:57.520 so that's
00:18:59.040 so much
00:19:01.360 for functioning
00:19:01.980 democracies.
00:19:02.940 But isn't that
00:19:03.580 a touching scene?
00:19:05.080 Here they were,
00:19:06.740 the Johnston clan
00:19:07.820 and the Trudeau family
00:19:09.520 skiing at Mont Tremblant
00:19:11.280 together
00:19:11.940 all of those years,
00:19:13.480 growing up to...
00:19:14.360 And this is why
00:19:15.720 Justin Trudeau
00:19:16.480 appointed this man
00:19:17.320 to be his special
00:19:18.260 rapporteur
00:19:19.000 because he's a good
00:19:22.060 friend of the family.
00:19:23.000 And let's keep
00:19:24.420 this all
00:19:25.240 in the family
00:19:26.020 because that's
00:19:27.820 what this all
00:19:28.880 is about.
00:19:30.460 And this is what
00:19:31.340 this is teaching us
00:19:32.280 this week.
00:19:33.380 And believe me,
00:19:35.020 we still need
00:19:36.940 a public inquiry.
00:19:37.920 I don't care
00:19:38.980 what David Johnson
00:19:40.660 suggests,
00:19:42.040 what he says.
00:19:43.280 He has no
00:19:44.080 credibility,
00:19:46.040 absolutely
00:19:46.680 no credibility
00:19:47.740 to make these
00:19:48.820 statements.
00:19:49.300 And I tell you,
00:19:50.960 there's political
00:19:51.600 support in the
00:19:53.280 House of Commons
00:19:53.980 amongst all of
00:19:54.860 the opposition
00:19:55.440 parties.
00:19:56.020 I think they're
00:19:56.540 going to be
00:19:57.000 united on this
00:19:57.960 that we do
00:19:59.200 need a public
00:19:59.880 inquiry.
00:20:00.980 It's not good
00:20:02.020 enough to have
00:20:03.720 this former
00:20:05.240 Governor General
00:20:06.060 blather on about
00:20:07.160 it all being
00:20:07.780 far, far too
00:20:08.820 top secret
00:20:09.700 to be discussing
00:20:11.060 in public
00:20:11.920 because this
00:20:13.840 is a scandal
00:20:14.680 and Justin
00:20:15.760 Trudeau will
00:20:16.580 wear this
00:20:17.340 scandal.
00:20:17.740 And he can
00:20:18.920 try as he
00:20:19.740 might and
00:20:20.740 try as he
00:20:21.500 will to
00:20:22.400 distract our
00:20:24.080 attention and
00:20:25.680 to suggest he's
00:20:26.640 been concerned
00:20:27.260 about this for
00:20:28.820 a long time.
00:20:30.240 But we know
00:20:31.100 he hasn't been
00:20:32.200 very concerned
00:20:32.820 about this because
00:20:33.620 liberals were
00:20:34.860 benefiting from
00:20:36.500 the Chinese
00:20:37.540 interference.
00:20:39.340 So I think
00:20:40.200 that's very
00:20:40.680 important to
00:20:41.220 remember.
00:20:42.780 Anyway, I hope
00:20:43.760 you enjoyed
00:20:44.480 Stand on
00:20:45.820 Guard this
00:20:46.320 week.
00:20:46.540 we were
00:20:47.120 limited to
00:20:48.380 this issue
00:20:48.880 because I
00:20:49.260 think it
00:20:50.060 is the
00:20:50.420 issue of
00:20:50.760 the hour.
00:20:51.780 It's what we
00:20:52.520 need to be
00:20:52.920 talking about
00:20:53.640 and this
00:20:54.260 story is
00:20:55.520 not over.
00:20:56.820 It's not
00:20:57.540 over as long
00:20:58.300 as we still
00:20:58.800 have some
00:20:59.400 credible
00:20:59.840 opposition in
00:21:00.740 this country.
00:21:02.160 And Justin
00:21:02.640 Trudeau is
00:21:03.560 acting increasingly
00:21:04.700 like a
00:21:05.440 dictator.
00:21:06.980 Like he
00:21:07.200 don't dare
00:21:08.560 question my
00:21:11.360 motivation,
00:21:13.440 my policies,
00:21:15.540 or who I
00:21:17.440 am.
00:21:18.620 Because I'll
00:21:19.440 throw that
00:21:19.920 right back in
00:21:20.600 your face.
00:21:21.820 And you
00:21:22.040 could see how
00:21:22.660 he treated
00:21:23.040 that journalist.
00:21:24.420 You don't
00:21:24.800 treat Trudeau
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