Stand on Guard with David Krayden - ＂That's Trudeau's legacy＂ Interview with Mia Hughes who EXPOSED the WPATH Files ｜ Stand on Guard

00:00:00.000 Welcome back to another episode of Stand on Guard.

00:00:04.560 I am your host, David Creighton.

00:00:06.640 So nice of you to join me today.

00:00:09.000 And of course, we are going to be having a guest on

00:00:11.740 and we'll be talking to Mia Hughes about WPATH

00:00:16.880 and what that really does mean.

00:00:20.540 And we will be back in a minute to discuss that.

00:00:30.940 So we are in a very precarious position in this country.

00:00:35.180 We need political change, but we also need to resolve to resist.

00:00:50.540 Let's please like the station.

00:00:55.840 We appreciate it when you do that.

00:00:58.860 And we've just trying to rebound from our time away.

00:01:04.080 It's been tough getting the audience back at times, but that's fine.

00:01:08.780 I know those of you who have joined me this morning are interested in the subject matter.

00:01:14.460 And we're going to be joining Mia quite shortly,

00:01:18.540 but I'm just going to have to talk for a while.

00:01:20.540 But let us introduce her via these clips here.

00:01:24.280 The WPATH Files report.

00:01:27.800 Well, so I was writing for Michael Schellenberger.

00:01:33.340 And almost immediately after he hired me, he got his hands on the WPATH files.

00:01:40.800 I don't know who the source or the source is or who the sources are.

00:01:44.900 It's more than one person.

00:01:46.200 I'm not sure.

00:01:46.660 And so immediately, as soon as I was writing about gender, he got the WPATH files.

00:01:53.600 And then we tried to turn the contents into a series of articles, but that didn't work out very well.

00:02:02.160 We tried many times, didn't work out.

00:02:04.140 So then he moved me over to Environmental Progress, which is his think tank.

00:02:08.800 And that's where I got to do a really deep, in-depth report about the World Professional Association for Transgender Health.

00:02:19.040 And Mia Hughes is here.

00:02:22.980 Good morning, Mia.

00:02:24.440 Good morning.

00:02:26.080 It's so nice to have you on the show with me this morning.

00:02:29.340 Just showing a clip there, as you were talking about a subject matter that a lot of folks are very interested in.

00:02:37.280 And a lot of folks know what WPATH means, as I discovered this morning.

00:02:41.880 I didn't even have to put WPATH in the title.

00:02:44.940 As soon as I put Mia Hughes name there, I think people said, this must be about WPATH.

00:02:49.840 And for those of you who don't know what it means, WPATH is the World Professional Association for Transgender Health.

00:02:57.920 Now, I've got a lot of questions to ask, and I'm not going to keep you on too long, but perhaps if we could just, I want to start by saying, I have a, I'm going to ask you this question later, but I have a personal interest in this because there is a close member in my family who was indoctrinated into this whole transgender movement.

00:03:17.940 And I'm not going to say who exactly that is, because he or she would not appreciate me doing that.

00:03:24.960 But it's a very close family member, and it's been a source of utter pain for me, what has happened to this individual.

00:03:34.460 So I have spent a lot of my time as a journalist fighting this as much as I can, because I'm sure you've noticed, Mia, that every time the mainstream media talks about this issue,

00:03:47.940 they use this issue, they use this phrase, gender affirming care.

00:03:53.780 And I think you would probably agree that it's not just a euphemism, it's a horrendous euphemism, because there's nothing going on here that is care.

00:04:03.480 And of course, we'd like to talk about transitioning.

00:04:05.620 These are all euphemisms that really sound very nice.

00:04:08.300 But this is a process, this is a political activism on the part of governments around the world, that is, I think, in my opinion, and I'm not putting these words in your mouth, but I call this butchery, what is going on to children.

00:04:27.920 I think this is child abuse.

00:04:31.800 And I guess we'll start with, can you just take, how did you, how did you come in possession of the WPATH files?

00:04:41.180 Can you just lead us into that, if you can?

00:04:43.580 They were, so I don't know who leaked them from the WPATH forum, first of all, they were given to Michael Schellenberger after, just weeks, I think, after he hired me to cover gender.

00:05:00.680 So I don't know who the source or sources are, but it was a stack of documents, and it was the perfect task for me to do, because I had been writing about gender for so many years already.

00:05:18.040 I had been watching WPATH, I was already well aware of the fact that this was not an organization that was to be trusted, that they had created this carefully crafted facade to make themselves look like a professional medical association.

00:05:36.680 But all they were, all they are, is a trans activist group, many of whom are armed with syringes and scalpels, and they are advocating for what I believe is the worst medical scandal ever to have occurred. 0.96

00:05:56.460 Well, that, yeah, that certainly is in keeping with what I think I led off with in terms of this being completely reprehensible.

00:06:06.680 A process and abusive of children. 0.99

00:06:09.920 When I read through some of the descriptions of what these, this gender affirming care really is, when you, when you have, we talk about inserting fake vaginas into, into male bodies and attaching phony penises to female bodies. 0.99

00:06:28.460 It sounds to me like the kind of work or the kind of butchery that went on in concentration camps during the Second World War. 0.97

00:06:40.520 And, of course, the notorious asset, Dr. Joseph Mengele, comes to mind.

00:06:46.400 And I'm sure he thought he was doing a great work for mankind. 0.90

00:06:50.780 These people are so twisted.

00:06:52.440 They completely lose all context.

00:06:56.280 They completely forget what mankind is all about, what humanity is all about, what their duty is as a doctor.

00:07:03.900 And I wonder, so you're essentially saying that this group is not only professional, but how can doctors call themselves professional when they are promoting this pseudoscience?

00:07:18.560 So you have got to, the psychology of it is fascinating.

00:07:26.520 You've got to understand that this is a group of medical and mental health professionals who, they are true believers in an ideology that says there's such a thing as a transgender person.

00:07:44.340 Okay, so that means their belief system, which they fully, fully are signed up to and believe, their belief system says that some people are born trans.

00:07:56.620 It's just an innate, natural type of human being.

00:08:00.060 And you cannot, in their mind, none of this is true.

00:08:05.180 Keep that in mind.

00:08:06.080 None of it's true.

00:08:06.740 But to them, you cannot change the transgender identity.

00:08:13.680 That's innate.

00:08:14.800 That's immutable.

00:08:16.040 And it causes the person a lot of pain.

00:08:19.020 So the only thing you can do to alleviate that person's pain is hormonally and surgically modify their body.

00:08:29.240 So we've got puberty blockers for kids, which were just banned in the UK indefinitely on Wednesday.

00:08:35.940 We've got cross-sex hormones.

00:08:38.660 So you block the puberty and then you pump them full of a whole ton of powerful hormones that their body is not designed to manage, to handle. 0.89

00:08:49.420 And then, you know, you do, you remove healthy breasts, you chop off healthy breasts, you invert healthy penises, you create appendages made out of forearms and sew it onto the groin. 0.60

00:09:04.480 But because these medical professionals and mental health professionals, they live in a different world to us, I really do believe that. 0.94

00:09:13.080 They're true believers and they live in the world where innately transgender people exist. 0.98

00:09:18.900 The world that I live in and most decent people live in is some people come to the conclusion that they are transgender for a variety of reasons.

00:09:30.640 Normally, mental health troubles or they might have a paraphilia called autogynephilia, where this is men turned on by the fantasy of becoming a woman.

00:09:41.860 And people will come to the conclusion that they are transgender for a large number of reasons and oversimplifying it and making it out as if they are innately trans because they have this mismatched gender soul residing within them doesn't help them.

00:10:00.440 But my saying that makes me a bad person to those who are true believers.

00:10:06.460 Well, that's certainly exactly what people would say.

00:10:13.760 But whatever happened to the phrase, he or she will just outgrow this.

00:10:18.980 And I think in 99% of the cases, that's exactly what happens.

00:10:24.660 And we talk about, you know, the psychological pain that is apparently being endured by these children,

00:10:31.380 being questioning their gender and not being feeling secure in the sexuality they have or the gender they have.

00:10:40.180 I'm wondering if there's more pain generated years later when after they have done something to their bodies that is, in many cases, irreversible,

00:10:51.940 or at least is going to require a lifetime dependence on Big Pharma.

00:10:58.140 Once again, Big Pharma is a part of this, but a lifetime dependence on drugs.

00:11:02.880 Is that not going to create a psychological problem later in their lives?

00:11:10.800 I would say, I mean, we're making predictions here, but I would say certainly I think we have got a tsunami of regret and despair on the horizon.

00:11:23.660 Because if we're focusing on kids, like I talk about all ages, because I think everyone is being harmed by this.

00:11:31.380 But if we're focusing on kids, if you look at the contagion, so we have an epidemic.

00:11:38.720 It started around 2014.

00:11:40.440 This is a whole new group of kids.

00:11:43.440 They're just adolescents, and they're just going through puberty, and they're just having a hard time.

00:11:48.420 But they collided with the messaging of the modern trans rights movement that tells them,

00:11:53.540 if you hate your body, that could be a sign that you're transgender. 0.94

00:11:57.060 Now, I challenge anyone to go out and find me, an adolescent going through puberty, who does not hate his or her body.

00:12:04.280 So that messaging puts every single adolescent going through puberty at risk of coming to the wrong conclusion that they are transgender.

00:12:13.800 If you throw in autism, if you throw in borderline personality disorder, if you throw in all sorts of mental health issues that put the teenager at an increased risk of coming to the wrong conclusion that they are transgender,

00:12:27.440 you basically have this absolute perfect storm catastrophe.

00:12:32.180 So all of these kids, they get sucked in, they think that they're transgender, and it all feels very real to them.

00:12:39.180 And the pain is definitely real.

00:12:41.540 They are suffering.

00:12:43.000 The problem is they're interpreting their pain through the fashionable lens of gender. 0.92

00:12:47.860 And then these monsters, I'm sorry for the strong language, but these monsters in gender clinics, 1.00

00:12:54.620 instead of helping them to understand that adolescence is a difficult time,

00:13:01.100 and most adolescents hate their body.

00:13:04.180 Instead, these endocrinologists and these surgeons are chemically castrating them, chopping body parts off them.

00:13:12.240 And then, yes, exactly, the brain finishes maturing at around age 25, sometimes later if there's autism or other issues going on.

00:13:20.380 And when they hit 25 or 30, they're going to realize that they got caught up in something, some mad cultural moment.

00:13:30.780 And they're not really transgender, and they've ruined their health, and they've sacrificed their fertility, and parts of their body are missing. 1.00

00:13:37.420 And then there's going to be an enormous amount of regret.

00:13:41.540 And it's amazing to me that those in the gender clinics aren't looking that far ahead.

00:13:46.620 But that's typical of everyone in this so-called field of gender-affirming medicine.

00:13:51.980 They prioritize the present, but they sacrifice the future.

00:13:57.560 They've got no interest.

00:13:58.800 If you look at all of the studies that show that this is supposedly beneficial for adolescents,

00:14:04.500 the follow-up time is like three months, six months, two years at the most.

00:14:09.020 So you're chopping healthy breasts off a teenage girl, and then you follow her up for two years. 0.94

00:14:13.820 She says she's still happy, so you say, okay, it's fine to chop the healthy breasts off teenage girls. 1.00

00:14:19.320 No, you have to follow her up until she's 30, and she wants to have kids, and she wants to breastfeed. 1.00

00:14:25.660 You have to follow her up until she's 40, and she's a fully mature adult, and she realizes the absolute weight of the decision that she made when she was 14.

00:14:35.880 Don't just follow her up for two years.

00:14:39.600 Well, that's precisely it.

00:14:42.020 And I think if the laws can at least prevent this from happening at such a tender age, and this is what makes it so sad for me,

00:14:52.880 is that these are just tender children who are incapable of making choices for their entire life at that age.

00:15:01.180 Anybody who wants to tell me the opposite is mad.

00:15:04.740 I know at 11 or 12, I had no idea what life was like, what life was going to unfold like for me.

00:15:13.020 I could not have made that decision.

00:15:14.540 We don't allow 11-year-olds to drive cars.

00:15:17.240 We don't allow them to consume whiskey or to smoke weed or to do a lot of things because we think that's dangerous for them and for society.

00:15:27.320 Right.

00:15:27.440 I mean, a really important point is we do not offer vasectomies and tubal ligation to 14-year-olds.

00:15:36.700 We don't offer it to teenagers.

00:15:38.400 We don't offer it to anyone under 30, as far as I can tell.

00:15:41.860 Find me a doctor that would do a tubal ligation on a woman under 30. 1.00

00:15:46.220 It's impossible.

00:15:46.960 They don't do that because in the rest of the medical world that is grounded in reality and knows what it means to be an adolescent,

00:15:54.800 they understand that people grow and mature and their thoughts about being a parent change.

00:16:00.700 Like, I've told this story many times.

00:16:03.460 When I was from age 13 to probably age 28, I absolutely would never want children.

00:16:11.160 Getting pregnant would have been the absolute worst thing that could have happened to me.

00:16:14.900 And then I turned 30 and it was like someone flipped a switch inside me.

00:16:18.860 I needed to have a baby right away.

00:16:20.940 I then had three children.

00:16:22.900 I was a stay-at-home mother.

00:16:24.020 I was co-sleeping.

00:16:25.240 I was breastfeeding.

00:16:26.280 I was baby-wearing.

00:16:27.400 I was one of those mothers.

00:16:29.260 But if you'd offered me tubal ligation at age 14, I'd have taken it because that version of me was absolutely never going to want kids.

00:16:37.700 So, again, the true believers, they're true believers in an ideological belief system that has no grounding in reality.

00:16:48.740 And they have completely forgotten everything that we know about child and adolescent development.

00:16:54.860 And I think they've forgotten basically everything that we know about what it means to be a human being, to grow and mature and develop and explore different possibilities.

00:17:05.580 They're really, it's a monstrous crime.

00:17:08.640 I think it is a monstrous crime.

00:17:12.540 And these people are no longer, as far as I'm concerned, capable of calling themselves professionals, doctors, healthcare providers.

00:17:19.760 These are hardcore, turbocharged ideologues.

00:17:24.360 And they're pushing an ideology, not science, not medicine, just as so-called scientists and doctors in the Soviet Union pushed ideology above medicine, just like Nazi doctors pushed ideology above medicine.

00:17:40.920 There were euphemisms for the euthanasia program in Nazi Germany. 0.82

00:17:45.620 It was a crusade against useless eaters. 0.60

00:17:48.540 These were people who were deemed not worth living. 0.78

00:17:52.060 And therefore, the doctors were doing a good work for society.

00:17:56.400 And that's how these people think.

00:17:57.880 They no longer become doctors.

00:17:59.520 They are ideologues.

00:18:01.160 And I think you've said that.

00:18:02.720 Now, thankfully, we are getting some pushback in Canada from this.

00:18:07.280 And I remember when my old friend, Premier Daniel Smith, who I knew from the Calgary Herald days when she was a reporter, wonderful woman.

00:18:15.620 I've always, and I admire what she's doing 95% of the time.

00:18:20.480 And I think what she's done on this file is courageous because when she came out the first time and said, we're going to introduce this legislation, there was tremendous hostility.

00:18:32.780 I remember at the time, the then-liberal transport or the employment minister who had recently stepped down, Randy Boissoneau, the liberal member from Edmonton Center, came on in a news conference.

00:18:47.180 And he actually had the unmitigated gall to compare transitioning or a sex change operation to joining the chess club at school.

00:18:57.200 I never forgot that because I thought, is this how deluded this individual is?

00:19:02.960 He thinks this is no different than joining the chess club and children should not be prohibited from having chemical castration or sex change operations at 12.

00:19:15.160 He was so outraged about this.

00:19:16.920 Do you think the work that you're doing has influenced political leaders like Daniel Smith to take that first step forward and to say, no, we're saying no to this.

00:19:30.620 We're at least putting some barriers in place because this chaos is no longer acceptable.

00:19:37.280 Well, I would certainly hope so.

00:19:38.940 I would say that every single person who has spoken on this in Canada contributed to Daniel Smith's decision, whether you've got a small Twitter account and you're anonymous and you're just tweeting about it, or whether you're, you know, it's your entire career and you're writing 70 page reports on it.

00:19:58.380 It's every single person who speaks about this contributes to a person with the power to stop it taking action.

00:20:08.620 And that's been part of the problem in Canada is that we were such a small group for so long.

00:20:17.360 There have been many people speaking on this in Canada for a number of years, but we were so small and we were so ignored that the people in positions of power who could have acted did not have the courage to do so.

00:20:33.700 I think Elon buying Twitter was an enormous turning point because people could speak out much more strongly on Twitter without fear of losing their account.

00:20:49.120 So sure, I hope that the work I've done has had some impact, but I also think a lot of people have taken great personal risk as well to speak about this.

00:21:01.460 And they too have had a huge impact.

00:21:05.540 Yeah, I would have to agree.

00:21:08.180 I think it's been a grassroots response that has been very effective and we've gotten through to this.

00:21:15.160 Very few journalists have really done much on this file except affirm the gender affirmers. 0.99

00:21:23.440 And I think it's been shameless and it's been disgusting to see this.

00:21:28.380 This complete lack of objectivity, complete lack of critical thinking on this file from so many journalists who will just repeat the propaganda points, repeat the talking points, call them news, call it a story.

00:21:45.500 And it's without even bothering to ask if there's another side to this issue.

00:21:51.420 Well, I had an experience with Radio Canada, the French CBC, and it goes deeper than that.

00:21:59.660 There are certainly some reporters who are just regurgitating trans activist talking points without – they don't even consider the possibility that these trans activists could be wrong.

00:22:11.040 There was a piece in Global a few days ago that I tweeted about because everything in the article was the complete inversion of the truth and it really upset me because this is my issue.

00:22:24.360 I know this issue and every single thing – and it was all trans activist quotes and talking points – and everything in the article was just completely backwards.

00:22:33.160 So that's, I think, an innocent enough mistake on the part of the reporter who did that.

00:22:40.280 But Radio Canada, this journalist, this was a few months ago, she reached out to me because she was going to be working on a piece on so-called gender-affirming care.

00:22:50.960 And I wrote – I took a very long time.

00:22:54.020 I wrote a long, long, almost essay-like response to all of her questions, which were a bit hostile, I could tell.

00:23:01.460 And she wrote back to me and it seemed like she had listened and it seemed like she understood and then she produced an absolute garbage hit piece basically calling me the leader of a hate group in Canada, did not put any of what I actually stand for in the piece, and then had four of the most extreme trans activists in Canada quoted as if they're the heroes of this whole journey.

00:23:24.760 So there's – that is unforgivable because she was presented with exactly what I believe and she chose to not include any of it and then to give the trans activist point of view.

00:23:35.560 Man, that seems to be quite typical.

00:23:40.120 And yes, I can understand how exactly he must have felt following that exchange.

00:23:46.240 If you had an opportunity to sit down with Justin Trudeau, as a horrible experience that might be, especially when we learned recently how exactly he treats women in real life, this phony faux feminist who has bullied women his entire life and has bullied female cabinet ministers and bullied female members of parliament. 0.90

00:24:14.000 And they have talked about it, and I don't want to get off topic, but when I heard Trudeau the other day again reiterating his support for feminism and he is the proto-feminist and a proud feminist, how can any man be so hypocritical and be guilty of such damning mendacity that he can actually have the gall to stand up and say that?

00:24:42.000 But I'll get to – if you had a chance to sit down with Justin Trudeau in a, shall we say, a civil environment, what would you tell him in terms of his promotion of the whole transgender rights?

00:24:56.980 I mean, nobody is out there in a more obvious, in a more visible way, saying that we have to move forward on this file, this is about trans rights, this is about caring for our kids, and if you don't support this, you don't really love your children.

00:25:12.660 He goes that far.

00:25:13.920 I mean, what would you say to Justin Trudeau?

00:25:15.420 You know, I'd love the opportunity to ask him what is a woman, to ask our dear leader, who's such a devout feminist, I'd love for him to define what is a woman to me, because there was the trend of journalists doing that in the UK for a while, asking politicians.

00:25:36.920 In other countries, I think, as well, simple question, what is a woman, and then you let them just make complete fools of themselves, waffling on with all of this circularity and nonsense, and the whole, a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman. 0.96

00:25:51.120 If you can – I would love the opportunity to really, really make him tell me what that means and what he believes a woman is.

00:25:59.120 But on the child side, I would – oh, it's difficult where to start.

00:26:10.040 I mean, I would explain how social contagion works.

00:26:14.480 I would talk to him about the social contagions that we have seen in recent history of anorexia, bulimia, cutting, even multiple personality disorder in the 80s.

00:26:26.740 I would explain to him the social phenomenon, the cultural phenomenon that just continues to repeat and repeat throughout history, and that what we are in the midst of right now is simply the same thing.

00:26:42.180 It is a social contagion.

00:26:44.540 These kids, they're not trans, first of all, because there's no such thing as a transgender person.

00:26:49.520 No one is trans, there's no innate transgender people, but these kids, they're not trans, not a single one of them, and therefore, when you understand that they're just caught up in a mad cultural moment, they're caught up in the latest social contagion, 0.91

00:27:04.520 and that we as a nation have chosen to – we have failed to protect them from a medical world gone completely mad, and we have therefore committed one of the worst crimes any nation has committed in this medical scandal,

00:27:23.700 because other nations have at least made an attempt to pull back on this.

00:27:29.300 Even in the US, it's very divided, we are as bad as all of the blue states, but at least the US has the red states, and they have some balance, and they have some kind of debate, whereas we, under Justin Trudeau,

00:27:43.020 I believe, have committed the worst crime in this medical scandal, because from coast to coast, we have ignored what's happening to these children, and that's his legacy.

00:27:52.160 I would want him to know that's his legacy. He's going down in history as the prime minister, who did nothing to protect these vulnerable youth from this very powerful cultural force,

00:28:05.640 and we just handed them into – we just shipped them off to gender clinics and placed them in the hands of ideologues who have no respect for the Hippocratic Oath whatsoever. 0.98

00:28:16.400 Well, you know, that's very, very profound, and I appreciate your perspective on that.

00:28:26.340 It strikes me that the liberal government, the Trudeau government, it really is the Trudeau government, because he has totally subsumed the Liberal Party with his personality.

00:28:36.500 And the Liberal Party has become a culture of death. It's become a cult of death from birth to old age.

00:28:46.960 This is a government that doesn't just say abortion is okay. It celebrates abortion as being a wonderful experience for women.

00:28:55.480 And I really almost get my stomach tied up in knots when I hear these cabinet ministers describe abortion as a liberating experience for women,

00:29:03.580 because it's just – and it's foundational to Canadian freedom, which, of course, is nonsense.

00:29:08.480 It's not in the Charter of Rights. It's not in the Constitution.

00:29:11.280 And even if you talk to pro-choice advocates, most of them will say it's a horribly painful decision for a woman to make,

00:29:18.120 and for the rest of their life they have to deal with the consequences of that decision.

00:29:22.180 It's in no way a positive, liberating event. But I digress.

00:29:27.260 On the other hand, you have the Trudeau government making Canada the assisted suicide capital of the world.

00:29:33.160 People are coming here from all over the world to commit suicide.

00:29:36.580 We have a euthanasia program that is booming more than the economy.

00:29:41.320 Our euthanasia program is booming. We want to expand it to include other people, the poor, the dispossessed, 1.00

00:29:48.980 anyone who is deemed to be mentally ill in any way, including perhaps drug addicts and alcoholics, join the crowd. 1.00

00:29:57.580 Let's all commit suicide together. This is the cult of death. 1.00

00:30:00.720 And, of course, we've got a government that is encouraging butchery against children.

00:30:06.300 This is the island of Dr. Morrow is what's going on here.

00:30:10.040 And they're too deluded to even admit it.

00:30:13.800 And I just find it fascinating that it all seems to be coming together in a very negative way for this government.

00:30:22.620 I think people are finally waking up and saying they have really, really gone beyond the barriers of good sense,

00:30:31.840 rationality, or even good government, which, of course, I don't think they ever provided.

00:30:37.740 But we had the Million Person March for Children again this year.

00:30:43.220 And my friend, Camille L. Shaikh, organized that in a wonderful way.

00:30:49.120 And he asked me again to be the master of ceremonies, which I was.

00:30:52.960 I support this event every year now for the second year in a row.

00:30:56.860 I know you were there the first year.

00:30:58.120 You weren't there this year because you were at a conference.

00:31:00.380 So what was the conference all about and what happened there?

00:31:04.080 I love the conference that I was at.

00:31:08.040 So the organization, the group that organized the conference is called Genspect.

00:31:14.560 It's an organization that is founded in 2021 and exists to promote a non-medical approach to dealing with issues related to your gender.

00:31:29.260 So whoever you are, whatever age you are, it's promoting a non-medical approach.

00:31:35.240 And WPATH is obviously, I see the two groups as complete opposites.

00:31:42.640 I see Genspect as the antidote to WPATH's poison because WPATH views any attempt to help a person overcome their gender distress as being akin to conversion therapy.

00:31:55.700 And that's transphobia and that's transphobia and that's bigotry.

00:31:57.860 So they advocate for the medical approach and Genspect advocates for the non-medical approach, the mental health approach.

00:32:05.220 And so every year, WPATH organizes an annual conference.

00:32:10.600 And Genspect now organizes a counter-conference in the same city at the same time as a counterbalance to the harm that WPATH is promoting in their conference.

00:32:24.260 So last year it was Denver, this year it was Lisbon.

00:32:30.580 We had, it was a wonderful group of speakers.

00:32:33.600 It was a three-day conference.

00:32:35.280 I was the keynote speaker.

00:32:37.100 I opened the conference with basically a talk about how the diagnosis of gender dysphoria is entirely activist created.

00:32:49.080 It's written by the very same extremist trans activists who are members of WPATH and are promoting this medical pathway. 0.73

00:32:58.500 It is not, it's not a scientific diagnosis.

00:33:01.080 It's not even, it's not a real diagnosis.

00:33:04.060 It's just a political diagnosis.

00:33:06.340 And also I did make the statement that there's no such thing as a transgender person in an innate sense.

00:33:14.820 There are people who make sense of their lives through the label of transgender right now, but no one is innately trans and doctors should not be treating a type of person that actually does not exist in a medical or real sense.

00:33:29.900 So we had, I'm told we had, we invited, Peter Boghossian was also a speaker at the conference and he wanted to, his, he wanted his talk to be, he invited WPATH members to take part.

00:33:47.100 And we can, he wanted to have a discussion with them and find out what they think and see if you could reach any middle ground.

00:33:53.640 Of course, WPATH refused because they're a cult and they don't talk to outsiders.

00:33:59.200 They're just, they're insulated in an echo chamber.

00:34:02.400 So they refused, but I'm told that there were two WPATH members who came to the conference, at least on the first day.

00:34:11.260 They probably didn't like my talk very much because I did say some things about WPATH that are completely true, but would not have been pleasant to listen to for them.

00:34:20.600 But on the last day, Billboard Chris and I, before I flew out, we actually went over to the WPATH hotel because it was just minutes down the road.

00:34:31.580 So we went over to the WPATH hotel and we stood outside and Billboard Chris had his signs and we, we were filming and nobody came to talk to us.

00:34:40.660 Which is no surprise, but there was a large, the elevator was right there and there was a big glass wall.

00:34:47.480 So we saw them all coming down with their suitcases and a couple of very unsavory looking types gave us the finger. 0.99

00:34:55.020 And that was the entire interaction with WPATH for me.

00:35:01.340 Well, it's, I'm glad you're able to attend and we will be continuing with the good work of the Million Person March.

00:35:09.120 I think that it's a wonderful experience for me to see people of all faiths join together.

00:35:15.000 I'm an evangelical Christian.

00:35:16.260 My friend Camille is a Muslim.

00:35:19.120 There were Hindus and Sikhs and Jews all there, all expressing their love for children.

00:35:25.040 And the fact that the state does not raise our children.

00:35:30.020 I think that's a, that, that is foundational to Canadian democracy or to everything we've inherited from our Anglo-Saxon history, from, from the, from Great Britain, from the American experience.

00:35:44.100 It's all about parents raising children and never the state.

00:35:48.980 Any state that raises children is a totalitarian one.

00:35:52.600 And it gets me very concerned when Trudeau talks about the state taking control over parents and their children.

00:36:00.880 This is all about parental rights for me.

00:36:02.620 Like I, like I, like I told you at the beginning of this interview, I'm very personally committed to this because of a family member who was indoctrinated into this theology.

00:36:13.220 I would even say it's a, it's a theology.

00:36:15.260 It's more than an ideology.

00:36:16.400 It's become a religion for some people.

00:36:19.120 And so I'm wondering, what has motivated you?

00:36:22.960 It's just, you, you've obviously have a passion for this that is singular in many ways.

00:36:29.020 So what, what basically has motivated you?

00:36:33.460 I discovered this in 2019 and instantly, I would say instantly, I was obsessed with it.

00:36:42.200 First of all, because when I, when I first discovered things weren't quite what they seem with the gender issue, just none of it made sense.

00:36:51.920 So the initial obsession was just, I need to make sense of this.

00:36:56.180 And if you want to make sense of this, you actually really do have to put in hours and hours and hours of reading because it's all so mad and it's all so insane that unless, you know, well, like when I first learned about it, there's like, I discover that, you know, I went along with trans women are women, but I didn't think we were really supposed to believe that trans women are women.

00:37:23.000 Like this group of men, like this group of men in society, we were supposed to believe that they were actual, real, literal women, the same as me, my mother, my grandmother, that, that was mad to me.

00:37:32.600 I'm like, what is going on here?

00:37:34.180 And then I discovered that these, the heterosexual men who say that they're women were claiming to be lesbians.

00:37:41.160 So then we've got this concept of the male lesbian. 0.98

00:37:44.780 I'm like, that's just ridiculous. 0.89

00:37:46.980 I have to, I have to look into this. 0.87

00:37:49.460 This can't be real.

00:37:50.900 And again, I found out that it was real.

00:37:52.980 These men actually do believe that they're lesbians. 0.80

00:37:55.640 It's like a really bad 1970s homophobic joke brought to life.

00:38:00.320 But then it was the real true obsession came when I found out what was happening to kids in gender clinics, adolescents in gender clinics, because, well, first and foremost, I'm a mother, and I have a teenage daughter.

00:38:18.400 And also, I was once a teenage girl.

00:38:21.460 And so I know, I just instinctively knew that it was wrong.

00:38:27.500 I mean, every decent person who's grounded in reality has to look at what they're doing in gender clinics and realize immediately that it's wrong. 0.82

00:38:36.220 Everyone who remembers what it was like to be a teenager, to be floating around and have no sense of identity and to hate your body and to want to be someone else,

00:38:45.240 everyone who knows what it means to be human has to look at what's going on in gender clinics and think that it's an actual crime. 0.99

00:38:54.140 But when I discovered that and I started to really read into how it had happened, why it had happened, then I got sucked into the whole social contagion angle of it and looking at all the social contagions that have happened throughout history,

00:39:09.680 all of the psychiatric epidemics, the times that the field of psychiatry has gone mad and unleashed something insane upon the world and done terrible harm.

00:39:20.840 And the more I researched, the more I realized that we are living through something that it's a remarkable moment in history that will be talked about for centuries to come.

00:39:36.800 We're living through the Salem witch trials, something that is so completely mad that people of the future are going to look back and just think, how?

00:39:47.500 How could they have allowed that to happen?

00:39:50.360 How did anyone believe that girls could be boys and boys could be girls and that it was the right thing to do, to chop the breasts off 16-year-old girls? 0.93

00:40:00.260 How did anyone believe that?

00:40:02.520 And so because it's so mad, because it's so extraordinary, I just, I researched it obsessively and then I started to write about it only because I knew how confusing it was when I first discovered it.

00:40:20.020 And so I started writing about it and so I started writing about it on Twitter in taking things that I'd learned and comparing the past to now to help other people understand.

00:40:29.920 And it really seemed to resonate with people and my account grew really quickly and then I got a whole career out of it.

00:40:37.340 But I think we can't find our way out of the mess we're in unless we understand how we got here and unless we understand where we are.

00:40:47.940 So I just wanted to help people understand because I had learned so much that I found really interesting.

00:40:58.100 I was just reminded I have a, I had a slide here that was, yes, yes.

00:41:05.520 My producer reminded me that Elon Musk recently posted on X that puberty blockers are a horrific crime against children and those that push them are criminals.

00:41:16.600 And my colleague at the Human Events, Charlie Kirk, wrote, the left-wing government of Britain announced today that it is banning puberty blockers as a treatment for gender dysphoria in children under 18.

00:41:29.160 And soon American blue states will be the only places on earth this barbaric practice is still allowed.

00:41:34.940 Of course, he's forgotten about Canada.

00:41:36.800 They always, Americans forget that Canada exists.

00:41:39.840 The entire nation of Canada, we don't even have any, well, actually, Alberta, they're doing a, like, I assume that, like, there's a, there's a, an opposition and there's the legal case brought by a gal and skipping stone and, and others that are trying to block Danielle Smith's.

00:41:59.220 But yeah, at least we have one province doing the right thing, trying to do the right thing.

00:42:04.720 And I, for years, I hope this was a faddish obsession that was just going to go away.

00:42:13.600 But I think it's, it's going to take the hard work that you are exhibiting, that you are doing to make this go away.

00:42:21.620 And, but I do think people are coming back to their senses.

00:42:25.160 And I think the election of Donald Trump was a part of that.

00:42:28.800 I don't always agree with Donald Trump, but I usually do.

00:42:32.340 And I think he is very courageous on this file.

00:42:36.180 And I don't think he's going to take any nonsense on this file.

00:42:39.960 He's got some great people positioned who are not going to accept the talking points anymore.

00:42:47.120 And I think that's positive.

00:42:48.700 Justin Trudeau's time is very limited.

00:42:51.140 Of course, we talk about that on this show every day.

00:42:53.720 So I don't know when he's leaving, but I don't think we're going to see him past the spring.

00:42:58.860 And I think, I think we'll have a spring election.

00:43:03.080 Yeah, I really do.

00:43:03.800 Because a lot of his backbench MPs have inadvertently at times let that information out, sometimes forgetting themselves, if you will.

00:43:15.100 Because a lot of them have these YouTube shows and they, they will say, well, when we have the election in the spring, whoops, shouldn't have said that.

00:43:23.420 But I, but Justin Trudeau being Justin Trudeau, this is a completely narcissistic individual, completely ego obsessed, egocentric.

00:43:32.080 I think he believes he can win one more election because he is entitled to.

00:43:38.780 Canadians can't really despise him that much.

00:43:41.200 He's just, he's too wonderful.

00:43:43.800 And, but I want to thank you for coming on the show today.

00:43:46.080 And I, this, this time is almost 45 minutes.

00:43:49.960 And it's interesting this, I'm looking at the numbers this morning, but at least a third less than usual because YouTube suppresses this topic all the time.

00:43:59.400 And it just drives me crazy, but I don't care.

00:44:02.880 I'm not here to get the biggest numbers on YouTube. 0.99

00:44:05.600 There's a lot of clowns out there who get huge numbers by offering crap. 0.83

00:44:10.480 I try to offer political conversation and guests like yourself who have something pertinent, relevant, and profound to say and who are doing real work. 1.00

00:44:22.060 And I'm not here to be, to be another clown in the court of public opinion, because we, it's easy to criticize Justin Trudeau and to go on ad nauseum about how stupid he is. 0.99

00:44:35.400 But we really do have to provide antidotes and alternatives. 0.98

00:44:41.680 And I think that's what we need to do more of here on YouTube.

00:44:45.100 And I try to do that.

00:44:46.280 So, thank you so much, Mia, for joining me today and being a part of this program.

00:44:52.580 We are standing on guard for Canadians.

00:44:54.780 And I would tell viewers right now, share this broadcast with your friends and family, because YouTube won't.

00:44:59.700 I can tell you that.

00:45:00.520 They have suppressed it this morning.

00:45:02.500 They'll keep suppressing it.

00:45:03.880 But you can rise above it.

00:45:06.180 Share it with your friends and family.

00:45:07.520 Make sure that this message gets out, this interview is heard, and that Mia's work is recognized.

00:45:12.980 Because I tell you, she's doing a tremendous job, not just on this file, but for Canadians, for Canada, and for everybody who loves freedom, anywhere.

00:45:25.360 This is, and anyone who loves their children.

00:45:29.300 And that's what this comes down to.

00:45:30.960 Do you love your children?

00:45:32.680 Do you believe in the family?

00:45:35.220 Do you believe as a parent, you should be raising your children, not Justin Trudeau?

00:45:40.400 And that's, there's so many elements to this question, to this issue, to this policy.

00:45:47.100 And it all comes back to, where are we in Canada as a democracy?

00:45:52.340 And we have suffered for nine years under Justin Trudeau, who does not believe in democracy.

00:45:58.320 So, I thank you for joining me today, Mia.

00:46:01.080 And we will have you on again to talk about this, because I think it's important.

00:46:07.480 I told you why, and you told me why you think it's important, and I think that is so, so essential.

00:46:13.560 So, thank you for your work, and stay in touch.

00:46:18.600 Thank you for having me.

00:46:21.060 And we'll see you again.

00:46:22.460 Thank you so, Mia.

00:46:23.220 Yes, that was Mia Hughes, and I want to thank her for being on the show, and thank you everybody who watched today, because this is what we try to do on Stand on Guard, is to talk to people who are on the ground, working on these issues, doing the hard work that needs to be done.

00:46:43.780 And that's what I try to do.

00:46:46.180 And I hope some days I succeed.

00:46:50.340 Thank you so much for watching.

00:46:52.460 We will be back again tomorrow, on Saturday.

00:46:56.540 I want to say happy birthday to my mom today, out in Chilliwack, 97 years old.

00:47:04.180 God bless you.

00:47:05.800 And you are loved and thought of today.

00:47:09.940 Bye for now.

00:47:13.500 Oh, yeah.

00:47:14.640 Better show you our Christmas wish list.

00:47:19.500 Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. 0.61

00:47:21.720 Yes, and before we get to Christmas, I will be doing an acapella show.

00:47:52.680 Version of one of your favorite Christmas songs.

00:47:56.900 That's a threat.

00:47:58.600 That's a promise, not a threat.

00:48:00.720 Thanks for joining me today.

00:48:02.400 I'll be back again tomorrow.

00:48:03.640 Keep resolving to resist, and I'll keep trying to give you all the news you need to know.

00:48:08.160 Thank you.

Stand on Guard with David Krayden - December 16, 2024

＂That's Trudeau's legacy＂ Interview with Mia Hughes who EXPOSED the WPATH Files ｜ Stand on Guard

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