Stand on Guard with David Krayden - Trudeau's Last Stand： Will Dissident Liberals Defeat Trudeau in Non-Confidence Vote？｜ Stand on Guard

00:00:00.000 While the Prime Minister hides in the fetal position under his desk, will he call a carbon

00:00:09.180 tax election now?

00:00:16.020 Good morning.

00:00:17.620 How's that for an intro?

00:00:19.440 It's Peter Polly, not yesterday, but on Monday, talking about a carbon tax election and the

00:00:25.980 fact the Prime Minister continues to hide under his desk.

00:00:30.540 We've got a lot to talk about this morning.

00:00:32.200 I haven't got a whole lot of video clips to show you, but there is something very significant

00:00:35.700 going on because there might be a lot of Liberal MPs who are prepared to vote against their

00:00:43.740 own government in a non-confidence vote.

00:00:46.840 But today is caucus day.

00:00:48.480 This is a historic day.

00:00:50.000 They're going to confront Justin Trudeau.

00:00:51.920 And when I come back, more about what's going to happen, going to happen today.

00:00:58.700 So we are in a very precarious position in this country.

00:01:02.920 We need political change, but we also need to resolve to resist.

00:01:07.560 Yes, please like the station.

00:01:23.220 We're beating the YouTube suppression and censorship.

00:01:27.220 We're going to beat Trudeau's censorship, Trudeau's censorship bills that are coming.

00:01:32.400 And I sense we are in, we are in an historic moment right now.

00:01:39.600 There is an election in the offing.

00:01:41.880 I've been saying it's going to be mid to late November.

00:01:46.040 Nobody else has.

00:01:48.200 You can bet Justin Trudeau is saying, hey, the only one who's guessing this right is that

00:01:52.780 Creighton guy.

00:01:53.720 No, I don't suggest for a minute he even knows I'm alive.

00:01:58.740 But he's probably the one prime minister in the last 20 years I've never actually met shook

00:02:03.800 his hand.

00:02:04.440 I've met just about every other prime minister since Brian Mulroney and had a chance to at

00:02:11.520 least shake their hands and say hello.

00:02:13.260 Justin Trudeau has never been somebody I even wanted to meet.

00:02:17.560 But I think I'm right about this.

00:02:20.200 And I'll tell you why as we as the story unfolds here.

00:02:23.580 Now, I've got a great clip to show you.

00:02:25.380 I'm not going to show it right away because we're saving that one.

00:02:31.000 But here is what I think.

00:02:34.040 Nobody else has discovered this as far as I know in terms of putting this up this morning

00:02:39.860 or last night.

00:02:41.320 This is why.

00:02:43.340 This is why.

00:02:45.080 Liberal MPs are going to tell Trudeau today at the caucus meeting.

00:02:50.840 It's time to leave.

00:02:52.120 It's time to go.

00:02:54.700 My old friend, David Collette, used to be the pollster at Sun News when I worked there.

00:03:01.840 Advocates data poll.

00:03:03.300 57% of Canadians living in a liberal hell riding want their MP to call on Justin Trudeau to resign

00:03:12.640 and not run again.

00:03:15.040 This, my friends, is probably the most important piece of information I'm offering to you today.

00:03:24.660 This is why liberal MPs are going to be confronting Justin Trudeau today at caucus.

00:03:29.100 Now, caucus starts about 10 o'clock.

00:03:31.520 So we're an hour and a half away.

00:03:33.540 It will meet usually for two hours on a regular day.

00:03:37.900 It might go over time today.

00:03:39.840 Now, caucus is very secretive.

00:03:41.820 It's even not quite as secretive as cabinet, because if you've ever, if you know anything

00:03:47.740 about classifications, security classifications, there's such a thing as CC, which is cabinet

00:03:53.180 confidential.

00:03:54.600 And that's usually the top secret.

00:03:57.660 Caucus is confidential, but you know what?

00:04:00.120 The MPs are notorious for leaking information.

00:04:04.380 They used to even, all parties used to do this.

00:04:07.740 They'd bring cell phones into the meeting and they would be secretly texting information

00:04:12.440 out at times, or they would wait till afterwards.

00:04:17.180 And then of course it was, oh, I don't know where that came from.

00:04:20.600 And I think all the parties were guilty of this, but there's, it's supposed to be confidential.

00:04:25.300 You know, as it's like Vegas, you know, what happens in caucus stays in caucus.

00:04:30.000 This is going to be a very difficult caucus meeting for Justin Trudeau, because he's going

00:04:34.220 to have to be forced to face his limitations.

00:04:41.240 And the fact that not only are Canadians fed up with him, but at least 40, I would say it's

00:04:48.960 probably 50 caucus members, liberal MPs are fed up with him as well and are saying it's

00:04:55.900 time to go.

00:04:56.380 There's a famous scene, a conservative prime minister in Great Britain, Neville Chamberlain,

00:05:03.740 when he was reaching the end of his tether, he was reaching the end of his rope after years

00:05:11.120 of appeasement and after losing badly in the first year of the first nine months of the

00:05:18.100 Second World War.

00:05:18.740 He was forced out by his own caucus and eventually by parliament.

00:05:26.860 And of course, there's the famous scene, it is time to go.

00:05:31.960 And that's what people are going to be saying to Justin Trudeau today.

00:05:35.660 Justin, Mr. Prime Minister, it's time to go.

00:05:40.280 No, you are just doing too much damage to the party, to the country, and to my writing.

00:05:47.840 And that's what it comes down to ultimately for these guys and these women.

00:05:52.080 Are they going to be reelected?

00:05:53.680 Do they have a hope in hell of being reelected with Justin Trudeau in charge?

00:05:58.060 No.

00:05:58.200 So let's have a look here at what happened in question period yesterday.

00:06:04.780 Pierre Polyev, Conservative leader, just taunting Justin Trudeau about what's going to happen

00:06:10.680 to him in caucus tomorrow.

00:06:14.300 The Honourable Leader of the Opposition.

00:06:16.320 Mr. Speaker, we now learn there are about 40 Liberal MPs that believe that this NDP Liberal

00:06:22.340 Prime Minister is not worth the cost, crime, and corruption.

00:06:27.120 But there's this strange rule in the Liberal caucus that you need to have permission from

00:06:32.080 the Prime Minister to speak at the microphone.

00:06:35.120 So a Liberal MP wanted to get up and say quadrupling the carbon tax is a bad idea, or doubling housing

00:06:40.700 costs is making people homeless.

00:06:42.600 They can't do it.

00:06:44.500 Will the Prime Minister lift the gag so his Liberal MPs can say to his face that he's not worth

00:06:50.500 the crime, the cost, and the corruption?

00:06:53.200 Yeah, I mean, we can go without the slogans, Pierre.

00:06:56.260 But isn't this incredible?

00:06:59.580 This is the essence of a totalitarian leader.

00:07:04.420 Leader, in quotation marks.

00:07:06.580 Trudeau won't allow Liberal caucus MPs to ask a question without his permission.

00:07:13.160 That's the whole point of the caucus, is for them to air their differences, to air their

00:07:19.600 grievances, to air their notions that the party is not on the right track.

00:07:28.220 This is an opportunity to air difference of opinion.

00:07:30.840 So if Justin Trudeau is saying, hey, no, no, no, I decide who talks, the man is delusional.

00:07:38.360 Now, this is why I'm predicting he's not going to prorogue Parliament because he doesn't want

00:07:44.440 to lose the legislation.

00:07:46.080 He will go into an election because he thinks, despite all of the odds, despite all of these

00:07:52.300 MPs, despite all of the opinion polls, he knows best and he can win.

00:07:57.060 Yeah.

00:08:03.380 Once again, in English, none of these questions have to deal with the administration of government,

00:08:08.280 I see the order, I see that the Prime Minister is rising to his feet, the Right Honourable

00:08:21.780 Prime Minister.

00:08:22.840 Mr. Speaker, it seems that the Conservative leader is confusing rules that apply within

00:08:27.540 his Conservative caucus to rules that we have in the Liberal Party.

00:08:31.560 But the reality is, Mr. Speaker, we see at which point the Conservative leader is simply

00:08:36.660 focused on playing politics and gaining power.

00:08:40.460 That's why he wants to talk about things that are not having to do with delivering for Canadians.

00:08:46.900 He doesn't want to talk about the fact that close to a million Canadians will be receiving

00:08:51.200 dental care because of our Canadian dental program that he says doesn't even exist and

00:08:56.480 that he's voted against every step of the way.

00:09:03.600 Now, it's the Honourable Member from Battle River Crowfoot.

00:09:07.120 To please not take the microphone when the speaker is up on his feet or when other speakers

00:09:16.280 who have been recognized by the speaker is taking the floor.

00:09:19.620 I will say here, I'm just looking at some of your comments while we proceed with this broadcast,

00:09:25.520 but Stringer007.

00:09:27.020 Hey, I wonder if that's a James Bond reference.

00:09:28.540 Yes, you've hit the nail on the head.

00:09:32.660 I wouldn't be surprised either.

00:09:34.600 The rebel MPs vote against their own government.

00:09:38.620 That's exactly what's happening.

00:09:40.520 We're going to get to some evidence of that a little later.

00:09:44.000 Let's continue to watch this.

00:09:45.740 The Honourable Leader of the Opposition.

00:09:47.880 Mr. Speaker, I'm sorry to have to bring up this terrible rule.

00:09:51.380 It's just that Liberal backbench MPs are coming and talking to all of us to say that they're

00:09:57.140 not allowed to speak to him.

00:09:59.740 And they're wondering if I could perhaps pose some questions on their behalf.

00:10:04.640 Mr. Speaker, I guess they can't get anywhere with the current Prime Minister, so they'd rather

00:10:08.800 talk to the future common sense Conservatives.

00:10:11.480 Instead of silencing his own MPs, will he let them get up to the mic tomorrow to tell him

00:10:20.860 that he's not worth the cost, crime, and corruption?

00:10:26.180 Teague, Mithiri, thank you so much for this gift of $20.

00:10:30.460 Thank you so much.

00:10:31.360 We love you.

00:10:32.260 God bless you for that.

00:10:33.200 Thank you.

00:10:33.260 The Honourable Leader of the Opposition.

00:10:48.240 Mr. Speaker, the reality is he can't administer the government because he's too busy fighting

00:10:52.540 for his job after nine years, even if his MPs know it.

00:10:56.840 He broke immigration. 1.00

00:10:58.240 He doubled the debt, doubled housing costs, doubled crime, doubled the cost of living

00:11:03.200 in a home.

00:11:04.000 He wants to quadruple the carbon tax that's already forced two million people to a food

00:11:08.480 bank, one in four kids to hunger, 25% of Canadians to poverty.

00:11:13.460 Canadian food price is up 36% faster than in the States.

00:11:16.960 StatsCan says we have the biggest gap between rich and poor in our recorded history.

00:11:22.540 His MPs know that he's broke the country.

00:11:24.660 Will he call a carbon tax election so we can fix it?

00:11:33.200 The very Honourable Prime Minister.

00:11:35.540 Mr. Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition, like all of us in this House, know that Canadians

00:11:41.320 are facing challenging times.

00:11:43.360 His solution...

00:11:44.340 Did he just say challenging times?

00:11:47.140 How many times have I said on this broadcast, Trudeau's, one of the Trudeau's favourite words

00:11:51.160 is challenging.

00:11:52.520 Everything's challenging.

00:11:54.240 That doesn't begin to describe the life a lot of Canadians are leading.

00:11:59.020 It's not challenging.

00:12:00.840 It's tragic.

00:12:02.480 It's horrendous.

00:12:04.380 It's tortuous.

00:12:06.580 It's miserable.

00:12:09.260 Not challenging.

00:12:11.860 However, is to offer them cuts, is to offer them no programs that they can rely on and

00:12:19.200 to vote against things like dental care and pharmacare and investments in a green economy

00:12:24.480 that is going to create jobs and careers long into the future.

00:12:28.260 Well, it stays on talking points.

00:12:32.340 Green economy that is fictitious.

00:12:35.980 Great janitorial positions for anybody wanting them.

00:12:39.780 Nonsense.

00:12:41.080 And it's not about cuts and austerity from the Conservatives.

00:12:44.500 It's about putting the ball back in your court, giving you control over your life again.

00:12:50.340 Whereas Trudeau wants to take control of your life and give you little stipends.

00:12:54.100 Oh, we'll give you a little dental care here, a little pharmacare here, and we'll give you

00:12:59.100 back some of the tax we take in the carbon.

00:13:04.200 We'll give you a carbon rebate.

00:13:06.380 It's all little stipends while we starve and while we don't make enough money to put food

00:13:11.860 on the table.

00:13:12.440 He wants to harm Canadians where we're focusing on delivering for them.

00:13:16.860 He wants cuts to programs and services while we're busy investing in Canadians and their

00:13:21.880 futures.

00:13:22.440 That's the choice Canadians get to make.

00:13:24.140 A quick little episode here.

00:13:37.140 A strong defense from his key allies.

00:13:41.140 Any minute spent on this garbage is a minute that's not spent on Pierre Polyev and what 0.95

00:13:47.020 he wants to do to this country. 0.98

00:13:48.180 What Mark Miller... 1.00

00:13:49.140 Mark Miller, anything that comes out of this man's mouth is garbage. 1.00

00:13:52.680 This is the guy who has completely destroyed the immigration system in Canada. 0.99

00:13:58.020 He puts an immigration cap on, not this year, but after the next election.

00:14:06.100 What a joke this man is. 0.95

00:14:07.720 And he's got the nerve to say it's garbage to talk about Justin Trudeau leaving. 0.98

00:14:11.240 Yeah, well, your job is gone. 0.98

00:14:13.540 Your history, buddy. 0.99

00:14:14.680 One of Justin Trudeau's closest friends thinks is garbage, has support with some of his colleagues. 0.97

00:14:20.940 Sources telling Global News up to 30 MPs have signed a document asking the Prime Minister 0.98

00:14:25.040 to leave.

00:14:25.700 Clearly in the public opinion polls, we are not leading.

00:14:28.380 There is concern on the part of members of caucus.

00:14:30.300 It's important we have that conversation.

00:14:32.140 Those concerns, a major topic during today's cabinet meeting, which ran over an hour and

00:14:36.540 a half late.

00:14:37.360 Does your caucus still have confidence in you?

00:14:39.500 Leaving the Prime Minister to rush the question period.

00:14:41.760 The reality is he can't administer the government because he's too busy fighting for his job.

00:14:46.180 The conservative leader is simply focused on playing politics and gaining power.

00:14:52.400 Two liberal MPs that spoke with Global News described the largest ever pushback against

00:14:56.600 Trudeau's leadership as made up of nearly exclusively males.

00:15:00.340 Another MP classifying them as angry white men. 0.68

00:15:03.600 I knew it. 0.56

00:15:04.700 You had to hear it. 0.98

00:15:06.200 Oh, this caucus revolt is about angry white men. 0.96

00:15:11.700 Mm-hmm.

00:15:12.400 You knew this for coming from a woke party in a woke cabinet that wants to pretend this is

00:15:19.400 all about white man's resentment.

00:15:21.720 This is all about these white folks trying to take down this Trudeau government that is

00:15:26.180 so concerned about diversity, equity, and inclusion. 0.98

00:15:30.240 This is such nonsense. 0.98

00:15:35.360 But this is how people like Mark Miller and these other jokers, these other clowns who 0.99

00:15:40.800 call themselves cabinet ministers are responding to this. 0.97

00:15:44.420 It really is obnoxious.

00:15:45.860 We air tomorrow when the Liberal caucus meets.

00:15:52.160 At the end of the day, I'm approaching tomorrow's caucus meeting just like any other caucus meeting

00:15:57.380 where we talk about issues that are important to Canadians.

00:15:59.840 You've got to be kidding me.

00:16:00.260 It's not any other caucus.

00:16:01.780 But debating the prime minister's leadership isn't a normal topic, even though it'll be the

00:16:05.920 key one at the meeting.

00:16:07.440 I support him.

00:16:08.420 I think he's done a good job.

00:16:09.700 Should he lead you in the next election?

00:16:11.260 I will discuss other caucus.

00:16:12.860 Oh, it's a sec.

00:16:15.340 We've got to get back to this guy.

00:16:19.160 Questions for the prime minister as to why he should run again and what he's in it for.

00:16:23.960 What's important is that we actually have a conversation on this.

00:16:26.560 And the deputy prime minister believes the Liberals will leave that conversation unified.

00:16:31.300 Do you expect that this issue will be put to bed tomorrow once the caucus meets?

00:16:35.900 Uh, yes, I do.

00:16:37.940 But Christian Freeland's view might...

00:16:40.040 Oh, that was a resounding yes.

00:16:42.860 Yes, I do.

00:16:46.040 We have become to expect this sort of thing from Christian Freeland.

00:16:51.160 It's comical how they are all trying to pretend reality isn't staring them in the face.

00:16:57.780 And, of course, Justin Trudeau won't comment on this because it's just...

00:17:00.440 It's not real to Justin Trudeau.

00:17:01.860 It's not real.

00:17:02.740 This cannot be happening because I'm just too much in control.

00:17:07.220 Even though it's obvious he's not.

00:17:09.140 And I had to laugh there.

00:17:11.980 That's Nate Erskine-Smith.

00:17:13.240 You know, he's the video star.

00:17:15.300 We've watched his interviews with the prime minister, which are really, really difficult at times.

00:17:21.860 But he's actually getting...

00:17:23.060 He got...

00:17:23.580 He got Trudeau to admit that he wants an early election.

00:17:27.740 And this is why I keep saying we're going to have an earlier election because Trudeau thinks he can win.

00:17:32.300 Bring it on, he says.

00:17:33.740 I'm...

00:17:34.400 He said roaring to go.

00:17:35.880 He meant roaring to go.

00:17:38.120 Excuse my throat this morning.

00:17:39.960 This is fascinating here.

00:17:43.340 Now, this is Ken McDonald.

00:17:45.620 And you're all saying, who's Ken McDonald?

00:17:46.740 Ken McDonald has already said he can't win.

00:17:50.640 He's one of the liberals that brought down the carbon tax in Atlantic Canada.

00:17:56.320 This is a Newfoundland MP.

00:17:57.900 Liberal MP.

00:17:59.640 Now, Ken McDonald is just a typical guy from Newfoundland.

00:18:02.800 He's so mischievous.

00:18:04.860 And I'm thinking, I don't want to be stereotypical.

00:18:06.780 I've known a lot of great people from Newfoundland.

00:18:09.280 You know, they have a great sense of humor.

00:18:11.220 And Ken McDonald, this is the same guy who, after he says, I've had enough of the carbon tax,

00:18:17.780 he votes with the government when Pierre Pauly have introduced a carbon tax non-confidence vote.

00:18:25.440 And he actually did the finger thing, right?

00:18:30.740 Remember that scene where he's standing up and the conservatives are saying, hey, what happened to your opposition to this?

00:18:37.760 And he gives the finger to the conservatives.

00:18:40.680 We all saw that.

00:18:41.840 So Ken's at it again, though.

00:18:44.100 And Ken McDonald is just so funny in this interview.

00:18:47.260 And this is why I'm showing most of it here.

00:18:50.020 Because it's absolutely fascinating.

00:18:54.780 And I have to thank the good folks at Northern Perspective who actually found this last night.

00:18:59.420 And I think it's one of the most newsworthy items that we can possibly show right now.

00:19:05.280 Because this shows you that the liberal dissidents are prepared to vote against their own government in a non-confidence motion.

00:19:16.000 If Trudeau doesn't wake up, they want him to resign.

00:19:19.780 If he's not going to resign, well, they'll vote against the government.

00:19:22.700 Now, that's not going to mean Trudeau is going to leave.

00:19:25.520 He will still lead the party into that next election and get the thrashing of his life.

00:19:30.460 As one of the MPs planning to ask the prime minister to resign, and he joins me now.

00:19:33.740 Ken McDonald, it's good to see you again. Thanks for being here.

00:19:35.400 Yes, you as well.

00:19:36.620 People would not be surprised to see you as part of this effort to have the prime minister leave.

00:19:41.540 What is your understanding of how this is supposed to roll out tomorrow in caucus?

00:19:45.920 Not completely sure.

00:19:47.240 I think somebody will introduce it to the prime minister and probably give him the sheet and probably give a bit of a talk on it, I would think.

00:19:56.020 I haven't heard any more on it than death.

00:19:58.840 It's all kind of hush-hush until it actually happens.

00:20:02.660 So, we'll see what happens tomorrow.

00:20:05.040 And the thing about it is, of course, what happens in caucus stays in caucus.

00:20:09.260 I'd be very surprised if anybody comes out of that meeting and talks to reporters or anything about what was said or what was done.

00:20:15.900 Well, what happens in caucus stays in caucus in theory, Ken McDonald.

00:20:18.660 Yes.

00:20:18.860 Because, as you know, a lot has gotten out.

00:20:21.000 But, okay, I want to just put a couple of things down here as clear facts.

00:20:25.320 You have seen the letter, right?

00:20:26.580 It exists, and you have signed the letter.

00:20:28.160 I have signed the letter, yes.

00:20:29.320 Okay, when you signed it, this was what, a week ago, two weeks ago?

00:20:33.080 It was Thursday, the week has been two weeks ago.

00:20:37.480 Okay, I'll say this for Ken McDonald.

00:20:39.660 At least he's got the honesty to say, I signed the letter, yes.

00:20:43.280 He's publicly said that.

00:20:46.000 So, okay, thank you for your frank, honest, weeks.

00:20:52.420 It's like the 10th of October, right around then, right that way, okay, when the house was sitting.

00:20:56.160 And how many signatures were on the letter at the time you signed it?

00:21:00.080 Because there's talk now that there are as many as 30.

00:21:02.780 Ken Hardy said today he knows 18 people who have personally signed the letter.

00:21:06.540 How many were there when you had signed it?

00:21:07.700 There, I signed, my signature was on the top of a clean page.

00:21:12.000 There were other pages underneath it.

00:21:13.980 I didn't leave through it to see what was below the page.

00:21:16.740 Now, he's talking about up to three pages.

00:21:21.360 You think there's just 30, 40, maybe 50?

00:21:24.700 I've been saying 50, and I believe that's accurate. 1.00

00:21:28.840 I was signing, so I didn't see any names.

00:21:31.420 But there were signatures there, you saw, so you just didn't screw down.

00:21:33.780 There were signatures on the page, underneath the page that I was signing, but I couldn't pick out who it was or who they were.

00:21:40.680 Okay, and so what you put your name to, is it as simple as we want Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to step down as Liberal leader?

00:21:47.660 Yes.

00:21:48.320 Okay, so this is going to be the request that is made to the Prime Minister in caucus tomorrow.

00:21:52.800 I was speaking to someone who's part of this group, because you're all curved up into little pieces where everybody has a piece of it, but nobody knows all of it, is how it seems.

00:22:01.720 And I'm told the plan is for one or more MPs to stand up in caucus, to make the request formally to the Prime Minister, but not necessarily, to say how many MPs have signed the effort, but not to necessarily give him the full list of the names.

00:22:18.040 Okay.

00:22:18.740 Do you know that to be the case?

00:22:20.120 No.

00:22:20.300 Have you been told that?

00:22:21.260 Do you know anything other than that?

00:22:22.620 Do you have contrary information to that?

00:22:24.280 No, I don't have any information on how they plan to present it, whether they're going to give him a copy of it, or read him the names, or just say a number that's on the document.

00:22:34.560 I don't know.

00:22:35.300 Okay.

00:22:35.520 You think Ken's being entirely trustworthy or trustworthy and truthful here?

00:22:42.880 I just laugh at Ken McDonald.

00:22:44.800 He gets the information out there, but it has nothing to do with it.

00:22:50.580 I just signed the letter, but don't ask me what's going to happen on Wednesday.

00:22:56.120 I think he has probably a better idea about what's going to happen today.

00:23:00.040 So on this program a week or so ago, Sean Casey came out and said that he thinks the Prime Minister should go.

00:23:05.720 He has later confirmed that he has signed the letter, but that was after he made his intentions clear.

00:23:10.980 You've signed it and said it.

00:23:12.300 Wayne Long has signed it and said it.

00:23:14.880 Obviously, it has to be more than that.

00:23:16.440 You and Wayne Long are not running again.

00:23:19.620 How do you think the Prime Minister respond to it when it seems a lot of the people behind this effort are anonymous, or in your case, not running federally and leaving?

00:23:30.040 Yeah, well, it's not just about me not running.

00:23:33.400 It's about who's coming behind me to run.

00:23:37.000 This goes back to the poll, folks.

00:23:41.260 They're talking about liberal writings disappearing, because there's a lot of people in those writings, liberals, who want them to vote against, who want them to get Trudeau to leave.

00:23:54.700 I would hope that the Liberal Party will take notice of what happens tomorrow and do something about it.

00:24:02.120 If the Prime Minister doesn't go, how does he fix it and come to terms with the people who signed that actual document?

00:24:09.480 But what is the or else?

00:24:12.080 This is what I'm struggling with here, Ken McDonald, because everyone says, you're signing a letter saying, we want the Prime Minister to go, but what's the or else?

00:24:19.340 Because that doesn't seem to be clear, even amongst the people who are planning this.

00:24:22.960 Yeah, and I don't think there's a definite plan.

00:24:25.740 What I think to myself, and I haven't mentioned this to anyone, is that the thing I'd think about is, if the Prime Minister doesn't respond in some way to this letter and the signatories that are on it, what happens when the next confidence vote comes before the House of Commons?

00:24:44.580 Now that, my friend, is very interesting.

00:24:50.500 And that's the crux of what we're talking about today.

00:24:53.460 This is a new threat.

00:24:54.920 And we'll get back to Ken in a minute.

00:24:56.600 This is a new threat from the backbenchers.

00:25:00.300 Yeah, you don't listen to us.

00:25:02.000 You don't think we're important.

00:25:03.640 You don't want to do what we're telling you to do.

00:25:06.200 All right, we'll show you.

00:25:08.800 We'll show you who is boss.

00:25:10.560 We'll vote against you in the next non-confidence vote.

00:25:13.040 And that could happen any day.

00:25:16.260 Are we going to stand and vote with non-confidence, or are we going to stand and vote with the government?

00:25:22.680 So maybe how the Prime Minister responds to this letter tomorrow might give some indication of, okay, are we okay the way we're going, or do we let the Prime Minister continue as is?

00:25:33.900 Okay, so wait a minute.

00:25:34.980 I mean, for you to say that voting non-confidence is an option, is that something that's been discussed?

00:25:40.860 Is that something you're thinking about?

00:25:42.180 I've heard it talked about.

00:25:43.800 I haven't brought it up.

00:25:44.960 It's just something that's in my head that I think could possibly happen.

00:25:48.780 Something in my head that could possibly happen, yes.

00:25:54.700 That is Ken McDonald.

00:25:56.420 Does he know more about this?

00:25:57.980 I think this is, he would not, let's put it this way, he would not go on a CBC broadcast and suggest that there are a number of MPs, not two or three, but enough MPs to defeat the government.

00:26:12.400 He would not be saying that unless this had not been discussed privately for the last week or so.

00:26:21.480 Now this is what's going on.

00:26:22.720 How many MPs would it take?

00:26:23.860 Look, the Liberals are operating from a minority government already.

00:26:29.800 They need the support of the NDP or the Bloc to win a non-confidence vote.

00:26:35.060 If they get 40 to 50 Liberal MPs voting against their own government, it's history.

00:26:42.820 In fact, at that point, we don't even need, it doesn't matter what the NDP or the Bloc decides to do.

00:26:54.100 The Liberal government will implode because it's lost the support of that many caucus members.

00:27:02.440 Now we already know the Bloc has said it's going to vote against the government in the next non-confidence vote.

00:27:09.780 So that means the NDP could still save this government if there's no threat from Liberal MPs themselves.

00:27:22.280 And I'm telling you, this is a viable threat and this could well happen.

00:27:26.920 And if this, if this idea, if this threat is not squashed today after caucus, listen very carefully.

00:27:35.460 I, you know, I will be watching to see exactly what is said after caucus today.

00:27:42.720 And if nobody addresses the potential for a non-confidence motion being supported by Liberal MPs, you know it's going to happen.

00:27:53.700 And it's just a matter of time.

00:27:55.800 But I come back to my original thesis.

00:28:00.000 Justin Trudeau believes he can win this next election because he believes in himself that much.

00:28:06.620 The narcissistic element here is huge.

00:28:10.880 He is so ego-driven, so narcissistic, that he believes nobody else can pull this off.

00:28:17.960 Nobody else can pull the Liberals out of their slump, their 19 to 20 percentage points behind the Conservatives.

00:28:24.900 He believes he can cure that. 0.53

00:28:27.120 He believes that all it takes is just a little bit of his charm, a little bit more of his socks, more hair, more of his nonsense.

00:28:38.860 And it's all going to be okay.

00:28:41.460 Now that's where Justin Trudeau is coming from and he'll continue to come from there.

00:28:45.220 And that's what you'll hear from Justin Trudeau.

00:28:47.500 If you hear anything at all, if he even acknowledges what happened in caucus today, but his days from this point forth, from October 23rd, the days of Justin Trudeau are numbered.

00:29:00.660 As leader of the Liberal Party and Prime Minister of Canada, we are going to be having an early election.

00:29:07.320 But Justin Trudeau thinks he can win that early election.

00:29:11.780 Thankfully for the history of Canada and for our future, I don't think he can win that election.

00:29:19.140 I want to thank you all for joining me today.

00:29:21.960 It's always a pleasure.

00:29:22.980 God bless you.

00:29:23.600 I will be back again tomorrow with more of the news you need to know and we'll be watching all day.

00:29:31.480 And like I said, pay careful attention to exactly what the Liberal Cabinet Ministers and MPs say after this caucus meeting.

00:29:40.220 Because I tell you, the Riot Act is being read to Justin Trudeau today, probably about 11 o'clock Eastern Standard Time.

00:29:50.580 Bye for now.

00:29:52.060 I'll be back again tomorrow.

00:29:53.300 with all the news you need to know so we can all continue to resolve to resist.

Stand on Guard with David Krayden - October 23, 2024

Trudeau's Last Stand： Will Dissident Liberals Defeat Trudeau in Non-Confidence Vote？｜ Stand on Guard

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