Stand on Guard with David Krayden - April 25, 2024


What the World REALLY Thinks of Trudeau's Thought Crimes Act, Bill C-63 ｜ Stand on Guard 119 ｜1 of 2


Episode Stats

Length

26 minutes

Words per Minute

152.60713

Word Count

4,074

Sentence Count

241

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

4


Summary

The Online Harmings Act is the worst piece of legislation Canada has ever passed, and it's being pushed by the government as a means to combat anti-Semitism and hate speech. But is it actually about silencing free speech, or is it about jailing people for what they say?


Transcript

00:00:00.980 So we are in a very precarious position in this country.
00:00:05.600 We need political change, but we also need to resolve to resist.
00:00:22.720 Welcome back to another episode of Santa's Stand on Guard.
00:00:26.160 I am your host, David Creighton.
00:00:27.700 And I promised a little bit of commentary, discussion about the Online Harms Act this week.
00:00:34.060 I know you're saying, oh, we've heard so much about it from me, maybe, but not from the people we need to hear about this from,
00:00:42.040 including the official opposition, more of the media, not just myself and other new media,
00:00:48.740 not just John Carpe of the Justice Center, who's doing a heck of a good job keeping this issue front and center.
00:00:55.620 But we need to hear from the legacy media because, yeah, they're still important for those people who watch the CBC News at night and haven't got a clue this thing is coming.
00:01:06.880 They haven't got a clue.
00:01:08.540 I'm telling you, this is the most underreported worst bill in history, if it's possible to say that.
00:01:15.520 So what got me started on this this morning, and this will be two parts.
00:01:19.740 We can't show everything today.
00:01:21.880 But what I want to do is examine how is the world looking at Canada?
00:01:26.340 What's the global outlook at what Canada is doing with this Online Harms Bill?
00:01:31.560 And I call it the Thought Crimes Bill because that seems to get people's attention.
00:01:38.160 Online Harms Bill is so ridiculous.
00:01:41.540 It sounds innocuous, almost insouciant, like it's carefree.
00:01:48.100 It's just we're looking after the kids.
00:01:50.600 We're making sure that kids aren't harmed.
00:01:53.260 And, of course, that's a veneer to this bill.
00:01:55.900 It is simply the periphery to make it palatable to the public who will say, well, we can't be opposed to something that's protecting children.
00:02:07.860 That's about stopping child pornography.
00:02:11.240 That's about preventing revenge porn.
00:02:16.480 That's about stopping free.
00:02:20.240 Sorry, I just was a free stopping hate speech.
00:02:23.700 We already have laws in place for those things.
00:02:28.120 And listen to this clip from Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland when she's asked about last weekend's pro-Hamas protest in Ottawa.
00:02:38.140 A lot of horrible things were said about Israel, about Jews.
00:02:43.140 And she's asked by a CBC reporter about this.
00:02:46.040 And I'll tell you why I'm showing this to you after I'm done.
00:02:49.460 CBC, over the weekend, protesters in Ottawa were heard chanting, among other things, long live October 7th.
00:02:58.400 And October 7th is proof that we are almost free.
00:03:02.080 Is this hate speech?
00:03:03.340 I wasn't in Ottawa over the weekend, and I'm not aware of those specific reports.
00:03:12.340 And so it would be just wrong of me to comment on something that I am not specifically aware of.
00:03:20.180 What I will say is today is a time in Canada when anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are on the rise.
00:03:34.240 When we have a lot, there are a lot of Canadians who are not feeling safe.
00:03:42.180 In the first place, the question and the event had nothing to do with Islamophobia.
00:03:51.040 It was about anti-Semitism, and she doesn't seem to get that.
00:03:53.920 In the second place, if you're not in Ottawa over the weekend, Chrystia, you know you can always watch the news.
00:04:01.660 Even the news you like, like CBC, CTV, Global, they actually covered this protest fairly well.
00:04:07.960 And it was very well publicized, so you don't have to be in Ottawa to catch up on the news.
00:04:14.740 And apparently she did later that day because she looked pretty stupid not knowing what was happening in Ottawa
00:04:21.160 because she's here for most of her life as the finance minister.
00:04:25.180 And she did apparently watch some video clips, and she did come around to condemning it.
00:04:31.520 But what does that tell you?
00:04:32.980 What happens when we have an online harms bill where people are going to be not only ranting and raving at each other with hate speech,
00:04:42.020 but wanting everybody charged?
00:04:43.680 We're going to fill the jails with people charged with hate speech because we'll have, in this case,
00:04:49.540 we'll have the pro-Israel people accusing the pro-Hamas people of hate speech,
00:04:53.680 and the pro-Hamas people will accuse the pro-Israel people of hate speech, and it'll go back and forth.
00:04:58.660 And nobody will ever learn anything in the process, and we will just have incredible escalation in charges
00:05:06.500 and people potentially going to jail for what they say.
00:05:11.840 But that only proves from what has happened here because the Ottawa police are looking and delaying some hate speech charges.
00:05:20.860 So therefore, we already have hate speech laws in place.
00:05:24.460 If it's not about silencing free speech entirely, if it's not about jailing people for what they say,
00:05:35.100 and yes, in fact, for jailing people for what they think and what they could potentially say,
00:05:42.420 that's why the Online Harms Act is so odious.
00:05:45.540 It is so nefarious because it attempts to guess what people are thinking and could say.
00:05:53.720 And it's just making an already bad situation worse.
00:05:57.260 And I want to say again, I'm sick to death of these protests because it's all a sham.
00:06:03.480 It's a farce.
00:06:04.320 We've got Antipa, the far left, protesting with these pro-Hamas people
00:06:11.540 who are pretending to be good Muslims and ranting and raving against Israel,
00:06:18.400 but yet they're protesting with Antipa people who don't agree with Muslims on just about anything.
00:06:25.980 We're being played here by the globalists.
00:06:29.840 These protests are just about dividing Canadians, keeping people fighting over things they can't.
00:06:36.540 They can't adjudicate.
00:06:38.880 They can't solve.
00:06:40.020 So we don't go after the issues that we can solve, such as gender ideology in the schools.
00:06:46.160 That's why we're having another million-person march in September.
00:06:49.780 We're going to get some religious unity, and we're going to focus on the issues that really do matter.
00:06:55.280 And we're going to stop fighting over this crap,
00:06:59.580 over a foreign war that we have no jurisdiction over in this country.
00:07:03.440 So I want to make that point again because I'm sick to death of these protests,
00:07:07.760 and I'm sick to death of the antipathy they're causing between people who should be getting along
00:07:12.480 because they really do agree on most basic things.
00:07:15.860 And if these people want to make stupid, horrible, vile statements about Israel,
00:07:22.020 there are already laws in place for that.
00:07:25.780 We don't have to start charging people on the Internet for saying offensive things
00:07:29.720 or things that are deemed offensive.
00:07:31.260 Anyway, I wanted to examine how the world is looking at the Online Harms Act
00:07:35.860 because, as I've told you before, when I speak to Americans that I work with
00:07:40.780 at the post-millennial or human events, they thought I was kidding about this bill,
00:07:48.720 that it was that bad, that it was just the conservatives in Canada making it up
00:07:54.920 because this is something Trudeau might do if it was a parody of Justin Trudeau.
00:07:59.220 But no, it's true.
00:08:01.320 And let's listen to how this thing is playing out.
00:08:04.680 All of our democracies, in every democracy around the world,
00:08:08.140 we are seeing arising movements of either authoritarian populism
00:08:17.620 or skepticism about democracy itself.
00:08:22.040 So, Justin Trudeau says these comments almost, he says them with a straight face,
00:08:27.440 as if he doesn't realize what's happening in his own country being led by him
00:08:31.380 to clamp down on freedoms, the authoritarianism that he is presiding over in Canada.
00:08:38.300 There is out there a deliberate undermining of mainstream media.
00:08:44.180 There are the conspiracy theorists, there are the social media drivers
00:08:48.060 who are trying to do everything they can to keep people in their little filter bubbles,
00:08:52.920 to prevent people from actually agreeing on a common set of facts
00:08:56.600 the way CBC and CTV, when they were our only sources of news and global, used to project.
00:09:06.120 So, before we get to this New York Times piece, I want you to have a look at here.
00:09:14.880 Canada wants to regulate online content.
00:09:17.760 Critics say it goes too far.
00:09:19.060 So, the New York Times is covering this and they're saying,
00:09:22.460 whoa, Canada's up to something here.
00:09:25.420 Looks like Justin Trudeau's at it again.
00:09:28.180 Yeah, and here's Trudeau saying, oh, why can't we live in a world?
00:09:33.440 Yes, yes.
00:09:34.700 Why can't we live in that world where we just had the mainstream media?
00:09:39.160 We had three, maybe four networks.
00:09:42.180 And we had maybe three national papers.
00:09:45.020 And every major city had a daily or two.
00:09:47.900 Yeah, we had this sun chain for those blue-collar conservatives.
00:09:53.640 And the Globe and Mail used to be for those upper-class conservatives.
00:09:57.600 But largely, the rest of the media was on the Liberal Party side, on Justin's side.
00:10:03.820 Why can't we go back to those halcyon days?
00:10:06.380 And that's where Justin Trudeau is coming from.
00:10:09.580 And, of course, yes, he is a bit mad.
00:10:12.560 He is a bit insane to suggest that we can somehow turn the clock back.
00:10:18.580 So there's no new media, that there's no media on the Internet.
00:10:23.460 There's no independent media like the station you're watching now.
00:10:26.880 It's all going to disappear.
00:10:28.880 And that's really what he wants to do, to make it disappear through online legislation or legislation against the online.
00:10:36.880 So let's go back to this here.
00:10:39.680 So when the New York Times raises the red flag, you know there's something going on here.
00:10:44.700 New York Post, a little more conservative than the New York Times.
00:10:47.860 We're not quite Canada yet.
00:10:49.820 You know, we don't have Pierre Trudeau wanting to put people in prison for life for hate speech.
00:10:55.640 But close.
00:10:56.400 Just look at our neighbor to the north, Canada.
00:10:59.320 There, free speech is under Cuban-like assault.
00:11:02.620 If the government of leftist Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has its way,
00:11:07.660 not only will your right to write and speak what's on your mind be severely restricted,
00:11:12.480 but also the government can jail you if it suspects you might say something that is unlawful.
00:11:19.420 You heard that right.
00:11:20.440 The mere suspicion that you might mouth or write words or phrases that the government deems to be unlawful is grounds to arrest you.
00:11:29.720 Who could have imagined that what George Orwell labeled thought crimes in his classic novel 1984,
00:11:35.560 about nightmarish life in a totalitarian world, would be pursued by Canada of all places?
00:11:43.660 Now, before we get to Great Britain's response to this, of course, Great Britain has its Online Safety Act,
00:11:52.280 which was the title of Canada's legislation until somebody decided,
00:11:57.460 hey, we better change the name of this because there's been too much publicity about the Online Safety Act being dangerous.
00:12:04.200 So they shifted the focus, not only in the name, but they shifted the focus of the legislation
00:12:09.560 from disinformation, misinformation, and malinformation to hate speech and safety, child safety.
00:12:18.840 They changed the focus to something that people could say, oh, that sounds good.
00:12:24.460 So you look at these clips from the United States.
00:12:26.820 Yeah, Americans are waking up.
00:12:28.460 There's my old friend Steve Forbes, you know, former Republican presidential candidate.
00:12:33.640 He ran for the Republican nomination at least once, I think maybe twice.
00:12:39.600 Good guy.
00:12:41.280 His media is out there fighting for the right things.
00:12:45.220 And Steve has noticed what's going on in Canada.
00:12:48.780 You know, we always say Americans are very insular.
00:12:51.180 They tend not to look beyond their own borders.
00:12:54.260 Steve Forbes is an exception to that supposed rule.
00:12:57.220 And he's watching very closely because he knows if it can happen in Canada, it can happen in the United States.
00:13:05.320 And if it does happen in Canada, it usually does happen in the United States about two or three, maybe five years later.
00:13:13.320 You know, we saw this with things like same-sex marriage, which was at one time unthinkable in the United States.
00:13:19.000 It became law in Canada and it sort of migrated across the border.
00:13:23.540 And there's other issues, usually social issues, that this happens with.
00:13:28.180 And Steve Forbes understands the danger of Canada being this social experimentation laboratory where this stuff happens first and it gets exported to the United States.
00:13:43.140 So they didn't want thought crimes.
00:13:45.600 The good thing is, in the United States, they have a constitution that's quite explicit and quite clear about freedom of speech.
00:13:52.260 Our Charter of Rights is not so clear about freedom of speech because it has that huge caveat, that huge disclaimer, that huge exception,
00:14:02.540 which Forbes actually outlines in the longer interview, which says reasonable, there are reasonable restraints, there are reasonable exceptions to free speech in Canada.
00:14:20.840 And that's a danger.
00:14:22.520 So we might be in some trouble there.
00:14:24.180 Let's listen to what they're saying in Great Britain.
00:14:32.540 Trudeau's crusade against bullying, but his government's online harms bill could turn out to be the most sweeping restriction on freedom of speech that Canada has ever seen.
00:14:44.080 The proposed law, Bill C-63, has provisions to jail Canadians for certain speech crimes.
00:14:50.340 Anyone who advocates for genocide can face life imprisonment, the same penalty as murder.
00:14:56.220 You can even be prosecuted for things that you haven't said.
00:14:59.120 A judge can impose fines and even issue a house arrest warrant if they believe that there are grounds to suspect that someone will commit an offence.
00:15:08.160 Author Margaret Atwood slammed the bill as Orwellian on X, writing,
00:15:12.480 The possibilities for revenge false accusations plus thought crime staff are so inviting.
00:15:18.880 Trudeau's Orwellian online harms bill.
00:15:21.540 Meanwhile, The Wall Street Journal columnist Michael Taub has compared the bill to the film Minority Report.
00:15:26.860 But according to the National Post, 70% of Canadians back action to make online platforms safer, but only 41% believe that this bill will be successful.
00:15:36.800 Trudeau And I think that the bill kind of, it's big enough that you look at one part of it and you think that's a great initiative.
00:15:45.340 And then you look at the other part in the fine lines and you say, okay, that's a little bit much, but I want to get into this part where a judge can put you, you know, under house arrest for things that they think that you might say.
00:15:57.120 Trudeau Now that, that is a can of worms.
00:16:01.060 How are we, how are they going to manage that?
00:16:03.300 Trudeau Well, they're not, are they?
00:16:04.440 I mean, short answer, it's impossible.
00:16:07.600 Trudeau But it opens up, as you say, a can of worms.
00:16:09.700 I mean, how you begin to even deliberate on something like this.
00:16:12.580 Trudeau It seems like a very fundamental change of law that if they were going to go into that, in that kind of direction,
00:16:18.540 you would hope that there would be some kind of proper public debate on it, because it really is setting a brand new precedent.
00:16:24.340 It shouldn't be something that is smuggled into a very large, and actually I had a read of the bill myself.
00:16:29.840 And what I found quite remarkable was that kind of, as you were saying there, there were lots of very innocuous, very sensible sounding bits.
00:16:36.920 And then often kind of buried in quite boring legalistic language were things that you had to read them twice and be like, oh my God, they surely not.
00:16:44.260 Trudeau Now, before we continue here, you can see that there's a careful dawning on the media in Great Britain that this is something very special, if you will, very unique to Canada.
00:17:09.920 Trudeau And it's probably the most repressive legislation against free speech in the world, at least for a democratic country, or a country that's supposedly still democratic.
00:17:24.660 Let's listen to some more, and we will round out our coverage of how Great Britain is viewing this.
00:17:31.640 Justin Trudeau's new C-63 bill will allow the Canadian government to imprison people for life in order to protect children, or to imprison political opponents.
00:17:44.340 What do you think Justin Trudeau and the globalists are more interested in?
00:17:47.500 We need to make sure, and I think we can all agree, we need to protect our kids online.
00:17:52.340 Justin Trudeau, with his various image issues, should not be wearing black leather gloves.
00:17:56.920 I suppose it's good that it's on the hand rather than the face, given the distracted Trudeau, but it's a bit too Gestapo for someone who literally awards Nazis in Parliament.
00:18:07.420 And evokes unnecessary emergency acts, isn't it?
00:18:10.580 The proposed bill is aimed at online companies.
00:18:13.340 They've put a hooded figure that looks like them people that Nick C-3PO and RT-D2 in the first Star Wars film.
00:18:18.620 And expected to target hate speech, terrorist content, child exploitation, and the sharing of non-consensual images, both real and AI generated.
00:18:30.760 I bet some of those things there are already laws for, like firstly, aren't there?
00:18:34.440 Like terrorism, I think is already illegal.
00:18:36.580 I think they're already not supposed to be a paedophile.
00:18:39.440 They aren't real required laws.
00:18:41.780 This is, what we're going to do is legitimise censorship by offering you things that you'll agree with, like you want your children safe, you don't agree with hatred and you don't agree with terrorism.
00:18:50.420 Yep, that's everyone in the world thinks that, except for small marginal lunatics.
00:18:53.880 And then they're going to use that to go, that was critical of, for example, the trucker protest.
00:18:58.220 Look at their actions and look at what they actually care about.
00:19:00.620 They care about being able to freeze people's bank accounts, care about being able to un-person and shut down dissenting voices and seize control of the media.
00:19:06.900 Obvious what the agenda is, this is absolute bunk.
00:19:09.580 All with a significant focus on child safety.
00:19:13.180 The Conservatives say it's an attempt to censor Canadians, while others hope for even stronger digital protections than those expected in the bill.
00:19:21.080 Do you know that one of the penalties is life imprisonment?
00:19:23.560 How much stronger can you go than life imprisonment?
00:19:26.160 Justin Trudeau will come round your house and strang you to death in those black gloves of his while singing Swanee.
00:19:32.260 Swanee!
00:19:32.820 Legislation like this already exists in several other countries, like the UK, Australia, and the EU.
00:19:39.920 What a coincidence! Almost as if these bills are being passed everywhere, as if it's some sort of coordinated global effort.
00:19:45.420 Now, look, you could say more materially and more sceptically, if you want to be reasonable about it,
00:19:49.920 that the pandemic was a global problem, and so having a global response to a global problem is one interpretation,
00:19:55.320 and the internet is a global phenomenon, so having a global response is, in some ways, sensible.
00:20:00.240 As long as that response is absolutely derived from referenda, as long as it's the response that people want.
00:20:05.660 I mean, as a parent at the moment, when I think,
00:20:07.320 who do I want in charge of protecting my children when it comes to online safety?
00:20:11.040 And basically, actually, all forms of safety.
00:20:13.040 Me! That's who's in charge of it!
00:20:14.900 Me, my wife, and people I trust.
00:20:16.740 It's not like...
00:20:17.520 This is a point that John Carpe makes all the time, about...
00:20:22.420 Ultimately, this bill is supposed to be about protecting children.
00:20:26.500 That's what the...
00:20:27.240 As I said, that's the veneer of this bill.
00:20:30.840 And this is how the Liberals are selling it.
00:20:32.440 But as Russell Brandt and John Carpe have both said,
00:20:37.000 that's your responsibility about what your children are watching.
00:20:40.120 What is the state doing interfering in the internet activity of your family?
00:20:46.380 But they want to insert themselves into everything you say or do, clearly.
00:20:54.800 Justin Trudeau, get your gloves on.
00:20:56.360 The kids are playing up.
00:20:57.220 I don't want them lot involved in any way.
00:20:59.560 Obviously, the reason that we're concerned about this raft of legislative measures across the world,
00:21:05.100 Ireland, our country, the UK, Canada, EU, as it was listed in the news report,
00:21:09.720 is because of the potential to misuse these laws to impose control on the population of the country.
00:21:15.880 The people that are really regarded as terrorists,
00:21:18.060 we know this because they use techniques, personnel, agencies, technology
00:21:21.980 that have previously been used on terrorists on domestic populations now.
00:21:26.000 It's common, it's global, it's ubiquitous.
00:21:29.560 I think now that we're increasingly finding ourselves in the grip of that narrow group of people
00:21:40.440 who would rather that none of that disagreement and discussion and debate was happening.
00:21:45.400 They just want to hear everyone say and they want to think and be persuaded that everyone thinks the way that they do.
00:21:56.280 That's a quick interjection here.
00:22:00.660 This, of course, is my good friend, Neil Oliver, who was on my show recently specifically to discuss the Online Harms Act,
00:22:08.880 vis-a-vis what they have produced in Scotland, which is a hate speech bill,
00:22:13.580 which has caused chaos in that country.
00:22:16.780 As people have been charging each other, counter-charges, and it is absolute lunacy.
00:22:24.780 But Neil is a fighter for free speech.
00:22:27.380 He's out there every day expressing his opinion on this, and we need fighters like him.
00:22:33.340 So I was so grateful to have him on the show.
00:22:35.340 And this is, it's existential, it's an existential crisis.
00:22:41.760 And that's what's underpinning all this bit about, you know, coming up with a term of words like stirring up hatred.
00:22:49.760 It's absolute nonsense.
00:22:52.180 So that ends our first look at the global perspective on the Online Harms Bill.
00:23:08.800 And it's worrisome, to say the least.
00:23:11.740 People are looking at Canada either as a laughingstock, as a place that has deserted, has forfeited its democratic rights,
00:23:22.180 or as a very dangerous place where George Orwell is not a warning, but a plan.
00:23:29.020 This is something Conservative leader Pierre Paliyev said when he was addressing the Canada Strong and Free Conference about two weeks ago.
00:23:37.760 And thank God he finally opened his mouth about this bill and was clear and explicit in his opposition to it.
00:23:44.920 He needs to do that every day, or at least once a week.
00:23:48.000 But I was glad to see him do that before that audience, which, believe me, is by no means necessarily an audience that is actually that conservative or libertarian and that is actually that attuned to free speech.
00:24:05.960 And we'll learn a bit more about that tomorrow.
00:24:08.220 Where is the opposition coming from in Canada to this bill?
00:24:12.300 And where is it not coming from?
00:24:14.860 And how weak is some of the conservative opposition to it?
00:24:19.920 We'll examine that tomorrow.
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00:25:05.220 Let's keep fighting.
00:25:06.120 Let's resolve to resist.
00:25:07.200 Let's fight back.
00:25:08.700 Let's keep getting people educated about this bill and how dangerous it is.
00:25:13.620 Thanks for watching today.
00:25:14.800 I will be back again tomorrow with more about the online harms bill.
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00:26:33.680 So we are in a very precarious position in this country.
00:26:37.300 We need a political change.
00:26:39.540 But we also need to resolve to resist.