Stand on Guard with David Krayden - June 08, 2024


Who Are the Spies Who Love Trudeau？ ｜ Stand on Guard Ep 140


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The National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians (NSICOP) released a damning report this week alleging that Canadian politicians are colluding with foreign intelligence agencies to spy on their own citizens. But the committee is unable to name any of their alleged co-conspirators because of the Official Secrets Act, which prevents them from doing so.

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00:00:00.000 Welcome back to another episode of Stand on Guard.
00:00:04.880 I'm your host, David Creighton.
00:00:07.160 When we come back, it sure sounds like treason to me.
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00:01:00.980 But I wanted to revisit this story because it just gets worse with each passing day.
00:01:06.960 And I talked about this this week already, but it's the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, NSICOP.
00:01:17.060 I think they call it NSICOP.
00:01:21.240 It's supposedly a nonpartisan group, and it seems to be that's exactly what it is.
00:01:28.920 From what I can gather.
00:01:30.840 But they have uncovered a bombshell.
00:01:35.340 Talking about widespread espionage going on from elected officials.
00:01:41.840 That's the phrase they use.
00:01:44.140 In one part of the report, they also say that this espionage, this spying for foreign powers has been undertaken by MPs and senators.
00:01:55.640 And senators are not elected officials, but they're certainly officials.
00:01:58.740 And so we're trying to get to the bottom of this.
00:02:02.960 But it is extremely arcane because it's hard to believe that the government can't name these people without violating the Official Secrets Act and national security.
00:02:19.160 And so before I get to the clips that I want to show you, here is what the director of CSIS, David Mignon, Canadian Secure and Intelligence Service.
00:02:34.620 I'm assuming everybody knows what CSIS is.
00:02:36.800 He suggested to a parliamentary committee on Thursday that party leaders could simply disallow any of these MPs suspected of collusion or espionage, I don't get any collusion, from running for the party again or expel them from caucus over the allegations they cooperated with foreign states like China and India.
00:02:57.400 Once again, you know, this is an article from the mainstream media.
00:03:02.200 They don't want to say espionage or spying.
00:03:04.940 So Vigneault says, if you're not able to find accountability and create an element of deterrence through a judicial process, then there are other mechanisms that have been referred to, including for the leaders to have the information and make decisions.
00:03:20.420 Vigneault sounds like a politician to me.
00:03:24.160 So we can't name these people.
00:03:26.580 I think Canadians have a right to know how widespread this is, how many MPs are implicated, at least how many.
00:03:32.780 Yeah, we should know their names.
00:03:34.860 Don't give me this nonsense that they're just not going to get re-nominated in the next election.
00:03:41.140 And they'd be quietly put out the pasture.
00:03:45.340 But here's how the mainstream media is reporting the story.
00:03:48.760 And it's not bad.
00:03:51.320 Let's listen to this.
00:03:52.740 This is a typical.
00:03:53.640 It's a report the Liberals really don't want to talk about.
00:04:03.020 Minister LeBlanc, can we talk to you about the NSCOP report for a second?
00:04:06.020 Mr. Ariel, can we talk to you about the NSCOP report?
00:04:09.420 But one Liberal is speaking.
00:04:12.580 David McGinty, the chair of a parliamentary national security committee that released the damning report.
00:04:19.960 Federal politicians are allegedly colluding with other countries by accepting money, revealing secrets, even meeting with a known intelligence officer of a foreign state.
00:04:30.960 We have gone as far as we can.
00:04:33.020 McGinty says he and his colleagues can't name names because the committee is bound by Canada's official secrets law.
00:04:40.860 That means if they inadvertently reveal information, they can be prosecuted.
00:04:45.940 Conservative MP Michael Chong, whose own family was targeted by China, wants the veil of secrecy lifted.
00:04:52.740 I can't believe the following needs to be said.
00:04:57.440 Parliamentarians' duty is not to a foreign state, but to the people of Canada.
00:05:03.220 Simple question.
00:05:04.800 Will the Prime Minister release the names of these parliamentarians?
00:05:08.620 No government, including the government of which he was a member, is going to discuss particularities of intelligence information publicly.
00:05:15.680 The RCMP says it's aware of a, quote, broad range of information being collected on foreign interference, as it conducts multiple active investigations.
00:05:26.440 But the Mounties say they did not receive information regarding all the matters contained in that bombshell report, and only learned about them after its release.
00:05:36.980 Farah?
00:05:38.200 Taria Isri in Ottawa. Thank you, Taria.
00:05:40.200 Not a bad report.
00:05:43.560 It goes to show you it's getting some traction with the mainstream media.
00:05:47.500 As soon as I saw this revelation earlier in the week, I said, this is probably the biggest Canadian spy scandal since Igor Guzenko was revealed to be part of a nest of Soviet spies in the Soviet embassy in the early 1950s.
00:06:03.760 I think it was 1952, that one transpired.
00:06:07.120 So it's absolutely scandalous that we have MPs that are willing to sell their country for what?
00:06:21.520 I don't know what they're, how much money are they getting?
00:06:23.780 Are they getting financial gifts?
00:06:27.140 Are they being blackmailed?
00:06:28.580 Of course, once you do pay somebody for espionage services, you can then blackmail them.
00:06:34.740 So for the cost of the initial investment, you get a lot more return on your blackmail money.
00:06:41.260 I'll put it that, I'll phrase it that way.
00:06:43.480 And that's exactly what's happened here.
00:06:45.360 But it's hard to believe that this is just sort of being passed off by the Liberal government.
00:06:51.160 Let's hear what the Deputy Prime Minister, Chrystia Freeland, had to say about this. 0.82
00:06:56.540 Do you believe that the MPs who collaborated with the foreign powers should be excluded from the nomination process for the next election?
00:07:04.000 The Minister of Public Safety has been at committee today and answered questions extensively on the report.
00:07:18.680 Our government takes foreign interference very seriously and law enforcement is working hard on this issue as well.
00:07:34.000 Okay, so yes, you expect them to say that they take foreign interference really seriously in the Liberal government, probably because there's been so much of it.
00:07:45.700 But this is not the first inkling we've had about foreign interference.
00:07:52.060 We still haven't resolved the election interference.
00:07:57.560 And what is interesting about this whole scandal is that it does reveal that foreign powers expect a quid pro quo.
00:08:07.780 This is in the report that if an MP does something for China, China expects to get rewarded and vice versa.
00:08:19.780 So if China was using MPs to further Chinese interests, they're going to find some way to reward that MP.
00:08:28.660 Now, how many of these MPs were on the government side?
00:08:31.400 I think it's quite clear that that's probably where most, if not all of them, came from.
00:08:40.300 Because if you're a foreign power looking to establish influence with another government, you're probably going to be working with government MPs, maybe even cabinet ministers.
00:08:54.760 Did you find Chrystia Freeland just a little bit more twitchy than usual there? 1.00
00:09:02.660 I don't know if she's one of the MPs.
00:09:06.020 I don't know any more about this than anybody else right now outside of the prime minister's office who saw the unredacted report.
00:09:14.880 And I'm assuming the MPs on this committee saw the unredacted report.
00:09:21.300 But this is all being treated with such kid gloves.
00:09:24.500 It's enough to make you sick.
00:09:25.580 Let's listen to some more here.
00:09:26.860 I direct the following questions to Minister LeBlanc.
00:09:29.920 The NSCOP report that was recently released reveals that parliamentarians, including members of our House and the House of Commons, knowingly and deliberately assisted a hostile foreign state to the detriment of the people of Canada.
00:09:47.780 This places a cloud of suspicion over every single member of the House.
00:09:55.080 Elected members, do you know the names of these people?
00:09:59.920 Mr. Chair, through you to Mr. Caputo, thank you for the question.
00:10:04.660 I am updated regularly and I think in a complete way by our intelligence agencies, by the RCMP, by the Department of Public Safety.
00:10:14.480 So I am very comfortable that I have the information that I need to do the work that I have to do.
00:10:19.920 But you'll understand that discussing the details, particularly of the most sensitive information, is not something that we want to do publicly.
00:10:28.480 Well, I'm not asking you to discuss sensitive information.
00:10:31.880 I'm asking whether you know the names.
00:10:33.620 Do you know the names, yes or no?
00:10:35.940 I know a number of names that were surfaced in various intelligence products that I have seen.
00:10:41.660 But I was not in the room when the Committee of Parliamentarians did their work.
00:10:45.640 I don't have the exact details of which documents they saw and didn't see.
00:10:51.220 But I'm very comfortable that I have access to all of the most important intelligence information, which would include, in some cases, names.
00:10:59.300 Okay.
00:10:59.420 So, people who are alleged, and in some cases, according to our intelligence community...
00:11:06.320 I'll just pause it there for a minute.
00:11:08.420 Is this man capable of giving a yes or a no answer?
00:11:11.700 Does he know who these MPs slash possibly Senators are?
00:11:17.720 Does he know the names?
00:11:20.040 Can he say yes or no to that?
00:11:22.620 Instead of saying, I think I have all the information at my disposal that I need to do my job. 1.00
00:11:26.560 What a stupid response that is. 1.00
00:11:29.880 Now, clearly, he must know these names. 1.00
00:11:32.720 Or he doesn't know the name.
00:11:35.000 Does he know them all?
00:11:35.940 Or does he know some of them?
00:11:37.360 He won't provide a coherent response.
00:11:41.000 And it really, really, really bothers me.
00:11:44.380 ...to have committed some of the most serious offenses known to Canadian law.
00:11:49.100 Are you prepared to release those names?
00:11:51.140 Yes or no?
00:11:52.420 No, Mr. Chair.
00:11:53.680 You will not release the names of members, elected members, operating in the House of Commons.
00:12:04.360 Do you think Canadians have a right to know? 1.00
00:12:06.560 Yes or no?
00:12:08.280 Mr. Chair, I think it's important for Canadians to understand that these names are contained in intelligence reports.
00:12:15.680 In some cases, it's uncorroborated or unverified intelligence information.
00:12:21.340 I think we would need to be very careful to understand that, as the director himself has said,
00:12:27.660 intelligence is often a series of pieces of a puzzle.
00:12:31.060 One particular piece of the puzzle, an intelligence source or information, may not have a context,
00:12:37.940 may be discredited or altered by subsequent information.
00:12:41.900 So the idea that there's a perfect list of names that is entirely reliable, that should be released to the public,
00:12:48.920 is simply irresponsible.
00:12:50.700 Minister, the ENSECOP report doesn't equivocate like you just did.
00:12:55.020 The ENSECOP report is clear, incredibly clear on names.
00:13:00.460 Do you think Canadians should have the right to know when they go to cast an X next to the name of somebody in the next 15 months,
00:13:13.840 the very thing that we're dealing with here in Bill C-70,
00:13:16.420 do you think they have the right to know whether their member is under the influence of a hostile foreign state?
00:13:24.600 Yes or no?
00:13:25.160 Mr. Chair, I think Canadians know, and I'm confident that they have every reason to be reassured,
00:13:34.480 that our intelligence agencies and the RCMP take their responsibilities extraordinarily seriously,
00:13:41.560 have the resources necessary to investigate.
00:13:44.700 And should the RCMP, for example, in their wisdom, decide that charges should be laid in consultation with the appropriate prosecutors,
00:13:51.980 that's our system in a rule-of-law democracy.
00:13:55.800 It's not simply releasing a series of names or doing, as Mr. Caputo says he's concerned about,
00:14:02.420 casting aspersions himself on everybody by pretending that there's some perfect list of names that the government's not releasing.
00:14:08.940 No other Western democracy knows this.
00:14:11.300 And Mr. Caputo knows that, certainly in the government of Mr. Harper,
00:14:15.480 even that kind of conversation wouldn't have been conceivable.
00:14:19.560 So I think there's a certain disingenuous element, Mr. Chair, in Mr. Caputo's theatrics this morning.
00:14:25.760 Disingenuous element.
00:14:27.120 Under Mr. Harper's government, we did not get a report that said foreign state actors had infiltrated.
00:14:39.400 Under Mr. Harper's government, we did not have reports saying that foreign state actors had dealt with this.
00:14:47.360 Now, under current legislation, you can disclose top-secret information when in the public interest.
00:14:54.580 What would be more in the public interest than a person who could be elected and they are under the thumb of a hostile state actor?
00:15:04.440 You can do that.
00:15:05.560 So when you talk about disingenuous, you can do this.
00:15:10.020 Why won't you before the next election?
00:15:12.200 Mr. Chair, speaking of disingenuous, in Mr. Harper's government, the National Security Committee of Parliamentarians didn't exist
00:15:19.760 because Mr. Harper's government didn't believe that parliamentarians should have access to this information
00:15:24.900 or be able to review the work of our intelligence agencies.
00:15:29.220 Mr. Harper's government in 2013, CESIS publicly identified an increasing risk of foreign interference in our democratic institutions.
00:15:36.120 And the Harper government did absolutely nothing.
00:15:39.820 So, again, Mr. Chair, I think it's important to have a context to these comments.
00:15:45.300 So, you are okay with us going into an election, people putting an X beside a name where they have a cloud of suspicion, every single one of us.
00:15:54.240 Let's face it, Minister, I think if there were six conservatives on that list and no other liberals, we would have had the names.
00:16:02.080 Let's be honest.
00:16:03.180 Thank you, Mr. Caputo.
00:16:04.040 The minister may answer.
00:16:04.360 Pardon me?
00:16:04.980 I think I have another minute.
00:16:06.680 No, you don't.
00:16:07.100 Okay, thank you.
00:16:08.120 I'm sorry.
00:16:08.620 The minister may answer, if you wish.
00:16:12.900 Mr. Chair, again, Mr. Caputo makes something up.
00:16:15.600 If there were six conservatives and no other political parties, of course, we would release the list.
00:16:20.220 Mr. Chair, I'm not going to violate the Security of Information Act and risk prosecution for a political stunt, and I think Mr. Caputo knows better.
00:16:29.580 I want to.
00:16:32.080 So, what does this have to do with the government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper?
00:16:37.600 Absolutely nothing.
00:16:39.420 Even the liberals are caught red-handed.
00:16:41.680 Even when they're holding the bag.
00:16:44.960 It's got something to do with the previous government.
00:16:48.720 Now, this is clearly scandalous.
00:16:51.860 And I don't for a minute think there's six conservative names on that list.
00:16:56.520 I don't know how many there are, but you can bet your bottom dollar that this is implicating the government, the liberals.
00:17:06.880 Because that's who's running the government right now.
00:17:11.160 And that's who foreign actors would most likely target.
00:17:14.780 That should be painfully obvious, even to somebody of Mr. LeBlanc's intellectual capabilities.
00:17:22.240 Who seems to be, once again, obfuscating and pretending and skating on very thin ice.
00:17:31.260 This is a huge embarrassment for this country.
00:17:35.100 And we need to know, and where is the Prime Minister right now?
00:17:39.720 And does this further my point that I have repeatedly made on this broadcast,
00:17:48.880 that there is something sinister about allowing two Chinese spy scientists 1.00
00:17:56.900 to continue working at a top-secret bio lab in Winnipeg for two years before they were fired?
00:18:04.500 Right before a federal election that we know Justin Trudeau benefited from Chinese assistance with.
00:18:16.520 We know the liberals were helped by China in that election.
00:18:21.260 Was that a quid pro quo that the Chinese owed to Justin Trudeau? 0.83
00:18:28.960 No, because Trudeau did nothing to shut down the espionage going on at this bio lab?
00:18:35.800 These are answers.
00:18:37.300 These are questions we need answers to.
00:18:40.460 Because this is serious, serious behavior.
00:18:44.480 I've got another clip here from Freeland.
00:18:47.660 You can't tell me these people aren't really worried about this.
00:18:50.740 A list of politicians that hasn't been made public from the report on foreign interference.
00:18:56.060 And the question is, is your government prepared to send voters to the polls
00:19:00.140 without knowing if the person that they're voting for is colluding with a foreign power?
00:19:08.760 Okay.
00:19:10.080 Thank you for the question.
00:19:12.840 And let me start by saying our government takes foreign interference in Canada,
00:19:20.040 in Canadian democracy, very seriously.
00:19:23.460 We have put in place more tools to fight foreign interference than any previous government.
00:19:33.220 Our colleague, the Minister of Public Safety, testified extensively on this issue to the House of Commons committee yesterday.
00:19:42.260 One of the things he said, which I'd like to reinforce,
00:19:47.560 is that law enforcement bodies of jurisdiction are seized of the issue.
00:19:56.660 A quick answer to that question?
00:19:58.860 Please don't put words in my mouth.
00:20:00.360 Let me be clear.
00:20:05.340 We take foreign interference in Canadian democracy very seriously, as I think do all Canadians.
00:20:14.000 I think we all know how precious our democracy is, how lucky we are to live in a democracy,
00:20:20.740 and that this is a time in the world when democracy is under threat.
00:20:24.840 That's why our government has put in place enhanced tools to fight foreign interference in Canada.
00:20:35.780 That's important, and we've done that.
00:20:38.700 Our colleague, the Minister of Public Safety, testified at length before the House of Commons committee yesterday
00:20:45.480 about this issue, among other things he said that the appropriate law enforcement bodies are seized of the issue,
00:20:56.000 and I have nothing to add today beyond that.
00:21:00.340 So there she is, skating, tap dancing around the issue here. 0.81
00:21:06.060 They don't want to tell us anything, and they're refusing to provide basic answers here.
00:21:14.380 Now, as we heard from the Conservative member in the last clip with Dominic LeBlanc,
00:21:22.480 if an issue is in the public interest, then these names can be revealed.
00:21:31.420 But the government does not want to make an issue out of this.
00:21:35.080 They don't want to reveal these names, and I think something is really rotten here.
00:21:39.740 And this is, I don't know if this is the scandal that's going to bring down this Liberal government,
00:21:47.020 because I believe this is connected to election interference.
00:21:50.180 It's collected to the Biolab scandal.
00:21:52.620 I think this is all interconnected.
00:21:55.180 And that's been my point from the beginning of this.
00:21:58.360 This is not an isolated incident.
00:22:00.300 This is not an isolated report.
00:22:02.000 This is emblematic of a larger problem in Canadian government.
00:22:09.700 Corruption.
00:22:11.760 With a capital C.
00:22:14.340 And this is why the Liberals don't want to address this at all right now.
00:22:18.260 They want to pretend there's nothing to see here.
00:22:21.100 Nothing to talk about.
00:22:23.100 Not an issue at all.
00:22:27.000 But it is.
00:22:27.880 It is.
00:22:32.000 Thank you for watching today.
00:22:34.840 I will be back again tomorrow with more.
00:22:38.260 And just a reminder here, I haven't mentioned this yet, but in a week from today,
00:22:43.580 there will be a rally on Parliament Hill to protest Pride season in Canada
00:22:51.940 and the flying of the Pride flag at schools and at the Prime Minister's office as well.
00:23:00.680 So there will be a protest in front of Parliament Hill a week from today.
00:23:05.040 I will be the master of ceremonies at that protest.
00:23:08.560 It would be a pleasure to lend my assistance and support.
00:23:12.800 Thank you for watching today again.
00:23:14.900 And I've got more coming for you tomorrow.
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00:24:27.600 So we are in a very precarious position in this country.
00:24:31.340 We need a political change.
00:24:33.520 But we also need to resolve to resist.