Stand on Guard with David Krayden - You Won't Believe What the Carney Liberals Have Done!

00:00:00.000 thanks very much thanks very much for joining me today folks it's david creighton broadcasting

00:00:06.960 to you live from our nation's capital in ottawa so happy to be here i want to show you something

00:00:13.360 before we get started

00:00:28.880 isn't that isn't that beautiful i'm very proud of that when we come back our guest today is

00:00:36.080 the one and only katie passet nay who is joining us from edgewood bc at the universal ostrich farms

00:00:42.640 has been over my goodness over a week maybe 10 days since katie's been on the show

00:00:47.200 but she's back today and we've got plenty to talk about and plenty of hope to celebrate back in mere

00:00:56.240 moments the prime minister lied and his minions continue to your home is your castle we're calling

00:01:07.840 on the government to introduce and immediately pass the stand on guard law

00:01:16.080 but we also need a resolve to resist

00:01:24.880 we'll do it live okay

00:01:26.400 no we'll do it live i can i'll write it and we'll do it live

00:01:34.720 and we're doing it live as we always do here every day at creighton's right and this is the show and

00:01:40.800 this is the channel it's stand on guard we continue to stand on guard for all canadians

00:01:46.640 but in particular we're standing on guard for some canadians at the universal ostrich farms

00:01:52.080 in edgewood bc and as i've said many times i grew up in british columbia it's my home province and i

00:01:58.080 feel a real affinity for the folks there and the people and for this family that i've been reporting

00:02:02.880 on their battle against government intrusion government overreach government occupation government

00:02:08.400 invasion government authoritarianism and i can't wait to talk about the latest with katie and we'll be

00:02:15.920 doing that very shortly a quarter past the hour i wanted to go through a few things though before we

00:02:22.160 got there and i think this is incredibly important we mentioned this yesterday this is and i'll be

00:02:30.400 asking katie about this perhaps a little obliquely because they're working on this behind the scenes

00:02:36.720 but i will ask her a couple of questions about this warrant to search now if you look carefully

00:02:43.040 there's no file number and if you read all three pages we've got them all and i'm going to put these

00:02:50.000 in the information so you have a chance to look at them yourself they're on my x right now go to my

00:03:01.280 my x site and you can find these but when you read to the end of page three it would appear

00:03:08.400 that the institution or the force authorizing this document is the cfia itself the cfi is giving

00:03:16.960 itself permission to have a warrant to search now that seems a little bit strange to me how about you

00:03:26.960 yeah it seems very odd to me and one of the and i wanted to go over this again

00:03:32.080 again because here's what's really strange about this whole story

00:03:40.000 at universal ostrich farms the cfia on january 2nd the farmers received an email from a cfia agent

00:03:47.840 stating their animals qualified for a depopulation exemption due to their rare and valuable genetics

00:03:56.080 this email included a distinct unit request package with a depopulation exemption form which they were

00:04:04.880 asked to complete to prevent the ostriches from being culled eight days later on january 10th the

00:04:14.000 farmers received official correspondence from the cfia denying their request for a depopulation exemption

00:04:21.520 stating they did not meet their criteria for unique and rare genetics this is after the cfia told them

00:04:28.000 they did in fact meet that criteria and that they were entitled so they rescinded this

00:04:36.800 in just over a week does something that smell right about this and of course we've been saying that

00:04:42.960 but i don't think i emphasized that well enough yesterday how really bizarre

00:04:50.880 this whole process has been for katie karen esperin and and dave bolinsky from day one the cfi has been

00:05:00.480 playing games with them now i want to go to this video because yesterday they had a visit at the farm from a

00:05:09.360 first nations group who said let us count the ostriches well you know how the government is when

00:05:17.600 first nations are involved they they tend to get a little worried that they might not be looking to

00:05:22.000 reconcile so they said well we'll have to get back to our superiors about that this is the first time

00:05:30.800 this is the first time anybody who has asked including a veterinarian who has asked to count the

00:05:38.720 ostriches hasn't been given a flat note saying forget it you're not looking at the ostriches you're

00:05:45.600 not counting the ostriches and of course this might be good news and by the way this warrant

00:05:52.880 expires on wednesday it's another question i have for katie what does that mean what does that mean

00:06:03.600 ah anyway i want to show you this latest and thanks again thanks again to chris dacy who's i think

00:06:11.360 he's been the only media on the on the property for the last couple of days and he's been faithfully

00:06:18.960 filing video footage so thank you chris for being there i don't know how much longer you can stay

00:06:25.040 there because it's not it's not indefinite but thank you for the work you've done this is interesting

00:06:34.000 okay and then that adds to that that's for the investigators but i've also emailed cfia and the

00:06:40.960 same thing just asking if not uh them which we would anybody right two people else we're also asking

00:06:48.880 that one of you guys come in uh just so we showed the impartialness to be fair that we we just want

00:06:55.040 to count okay if that happens like like i said you don't have to walk amongst them you just it's driving

00:07:02.960 it is driving but it takes two people to do the count but we've also if by chance they weren't

00:07:09.120 allowed and a certified vet yeah we're putting i gave so many options all we want is account okay

00:07:16.720 and we're taking their number 330 otherwise i'll put in a manifest that will show more than that but

00:07:22.240 we're willing to say just proves there's not that there's 330 birds there perfect awesome thank you

00:07:29.600 all right and you'll pass all the news to yeah hold everything she just said 330 birds there

00:07:40.640 we started with 399 we know about the death of spirit which this which the cfia

00:07:48.160 erroneously claimed was due to a pre-existing condition you know yeah due to neglect i think

00:07:54.240 the fact that could the poor bird could not get her electrolytes they were not feeding her and giving her

00:07:59.680 water so how did we go from five sorry 398 to 330 sounds to me like we're missing um

00:08:10.080 we're missing over 60 birds we're missing 68 birds where'd they go can see if i

00:08:18.080 account for this what happened to them but this is why we've got katie on the show

00:08:24.320 i think

00:08:30.960 so sorry you weren't here um so the cfia are talking with their indigenous leadership consultant

00:08:37.440 and then they're also going to speak to their council council grand council well they're legal

00:08:43.520 so as he's kind of saying which is one thing we usually get a flat out no

00:08:58.240 whether they're delaying it we don't know or what's going on

00:09:01.680 i'm the steward of the great law though and they can't be consulting other people they're supposed to

00:09:07.040 be consulting with me we carry the seal of all nation international law your oath is to canada

00:09:13.120 it's not even to we the people so that's the answer that cfia gave well why can't we get a

00:09:18.960 number to the cfia or whatever because i don't want you can reach to through them through

00:09:24.640 karen on the email protocol if she wants to do that yeah but by monday these things could not

00:09:29.680 like they'll be here tomorrow they're disappearing no that's a life on the land that we we're here to

00:09:39.840 address we have to okay well that's the message that i'm bringing from them it's monday or tuesday

00:09:46.720 okay and i followed up when i went to the house i attached the letter uh so they have the evidence

00:09:52.160 of your letter which obviously you already took to them anyway so they have uh they have a copy if

00:09:57.200 they would need to pass it on it's attached right to a letter so uh so we've i've covered every angle

00:10:04.480 the the way they expect it to be done number two that got to the provost marshal because they're

00:10:12.960 they're with the crown of england they're not worth the people that's why i said i'd like to know who

00:10:17.680 they're consulting because the band councils our chiefs don't have a say we're the stewards of the

00:10:23.040 great law and we're here to protect this land by law so the chief and councils ready cherry chiefs of

00:10:29.040 this land here have no say they have a say with your with your crown with them notice how the rcmp

00:10:37.200 sucking up to the cfia says they have a grand council hmm sounds rather indigenous to me

00:10:43.120 incredible how they would they they are really doing their best to be evasive and by the way do you

00:10:52.240 notice this rcmp guy doesn't have any masking on no protective gear i thought he believed these

00:11:01.760 ostriches pose they risk the public health including his own clearly he doesn't believe that any more than

00:11:09.200 the c5 really does because it took them a couple days to put on their hazmat costumes which i i

00:11:14.480 repeat every day because it's that absurd british crown but we don't have a treaty with the british

00:11:19.680 crown treaties one to eleven were proven fraud in the highest courts of hay even your queen was taken

00:11:24.800 down for treason and it doesn't leave any abuse out because ignorance of this law is no excuse

00:11:30.400 your number or whatever we're all numbers but their numbers can still be taken down by the great law

00:11:36.400 you're respecting law of the land and they're not respecting if they're going to make me wait here

00:11:41.440 for four days what am i going to be here with oh am i going to survive here for four days waiting for

00:11:46.160 dirt well that's monday or tuesday today's sunday so that's tomorrow the next day are you okay with

00:11:52.240 that if you're okay one day uh no i'm never okay with anything but you know um i know i know and

00:11:59.360 we've already asked yesterday we are i am saying that the chief and council don't have legit contact

00:12:06.400 information of uh the uh the tribe that says that they actually this is their jurisdiction also as

00:12:15.440 far as the shoe swap okanagan so that and that was denied immediately because they're still within an

00:12:20.800 hour um see if i just said their reply exactly was because even you guys we have a warrant over the

00:12:28.080 property and we deny access and then i replied back immediately and said why why are you denying and

00:12:36.640 they have not answered back so now i attached to your letter and i sent another letter and asking and i

00:12:43.040 said um you and dave because it takes two people or you and me or you and katie uh but also a liaison

00:12:49.520 and a liaison because we want to show that we're being 100 impartial and that this is very fairly done

00:12:56.080 but they legitly gave the attorney general account of 330. like i said i will easily put a manifest

00:13:03.200 together but it's going to show more than that because we know there was more birds than that but

00:13:07.360 we're going to be good here to cfia and let the criminals say 330. so we're giving them 330. and

00:13:13.920 we say show prove us that there's 330 birds on that left um um karen maybe then i think you were about

00:13:26.240 to say maybe you could could clarify just other times that you've requested for bird counts you

00:13:30.640 were basically denied immediately or very quickly actually went to the attorney general and asked them to

00:13:36.160 talk to cfia on thursday and on thursday they said uh they said they would get back to him on friday

00:13:44.400 late afternoon um the attorney general came back and said cfia said no uh they denied it and our lawyer

00:13:52.000 said to the attorney generally he said isn't that a little suspicious that they won't let us just count

00:13:57.600 the birds and they said yeah but that's where it was left that's where it was left with just that

00:14:03.600 simplicity of an answer but they're not being accountable or transparent as to why if you don't

00:14:09.440 want to count why what is the problem with just account we're not saying touch the birds we're not

00:14:14.960 saying intervene with what you're doing we're saying we have numerous witnesses that are hearing the pops in

00:14:20.640 the night we have numerous witnesses that uh have looked into this to say that they're when they check

00:14:27.840 into the google thing it says a dart gun well what's the dart gun doing but the numbers are going down

00:14:33.040 and everybody that has been here for any length of time has looked at the road and people that have

00:14:38.560 gone up and taken pictures we've even had mike mike go my shirt david of pictures that he personally took

00:14:46.400 he put on a stick as evidence uh for the royal mountain police to do an investigation which is ongoing

00:14:54.160 but we're saying in this investigation why why do we have to supply manifest

00:15:03.440 so the fact that um that they said maybe they'll have an answer like they're talking now to someone

00:15:07.920 so it seems like maybe this has pushed things a little bit maybe the answer could still be no

00:15:12.240 but it wasn't an immediate no in this case exactly yeah exactly and that's that is a that is a good sign

00:15:19.920 so katie should be joining us momentarily here but i wanted to show you this clip we did with jerry

00:15:28.320 rich we had jerry rich on the other day and of course jerry is a former minister of agriculture he was

00:15:34.320 agriculture minister for eight years count them eight years and he is estimating

00:15:42.720 that this operation is costing the federal government between the cfia and the rcmp

00:15:51.840 a hundred thousand dollars a day now we did an estimate through grok the other day and it was much lower than that

00:16:01.360 so i'm a little concerned well next this operation is on unsustainable we cannot you cannot keep this going

00:16:14.640 and a lot of people are saying what it's been reported in many outlets this week that the supreme court will not get back at the earliest until

00:16:24.320 october 30th so i you know i don't think i'm not sure the ostriches can hold out against the

00:16:37.120 maltreatment neglect and cruelty of the cfia for that long this is a definite problem today

00:16:44.400 who are going up going to the mountain behind the farm and getting a zoom lens and trying to get a count

00:16:52.000 of what's going on and everybody is is telling them it's a hundred fewer birds there than were there in

00:17:01.680 the beginning and you know what what is frightening to me uh jerry is that this is a government agency

00:17:10.240 it's almost like the atf was in under bill clinton in the united states they just think they can act with

00:17:17.440 impunity you use that word they think they can act with impunity they're not going to be charged

00:17:24.000 they're telling the rcmp what to do i mean katie has told me several times that they tried to work

00:17:30.480 with the rcmp to get a count on the birds cfi has said forget it we're not going to give you that

00:17:36.240 cfi keeps saying we're not going to test the birds and if you the farmer tests the birds we're going to put

00:17:44.160 you in jail for six months and find you up to two hundred thousand dollars i mean how ridiculous is

00:17:50.080 that clearly somebody in this liberal government doesn't want the truth known about these birds

00:17:56.480 having herd immunity and this having something to do with big farming what do you think about that well

00:18:03.920 i'm not a conspiracy theorist but i mean when the chips start to fall on one side of the table you

00:18:08.320 really have to be conscious of where they're piling up in this case there's a lot of unanswered

00:18:13.440 questions uh i just don't understand how this has gotten as far as it has without some of those things

00:18:19.200 being addressed why are they refusing to test these birds i i can't for the life of me understand where

00:18:24.880 a hundred thousand dollar cost at that time was 400 birds now there's less why that would be an

00:18:30.080 impediment when they're probably spending that per day with everything they're doing would that not be

00:18:35.040 the get out of jail free card for the cfia and the rcmp to back away and say hey we've tested them

00:18:39.440 now everything's fine we're good we don't we have no trade internationally with ostrich that was the

00:18:45.120 first line of defense saying oh it's going to affect our poultry trade no these aren't poultry and we

00:18:49.840 don't export as i as far as i understand we don't export any live ostrich anymore so it it's going out as

00:18:57.200 hides and meat and eggs possibly and so on but there's no crossover with any of that product and they've

00:19:02.960 admitted that so why they won't test baffles the crap out of me and that's where as minister heath

00:19:09.120 mcdonald should step in and say just get it done it takes you know a few minutes per bird they've

00:19:14.560 already got the system to line them up and run them through so why aren't they doing that i i just can't

00:19:20.320 i can't believe that they're passing up this opportunity to build the science unless there's

00:19:26.080 someone calling the shots behind them that doesn't want the science revealed

00:19:29.360 yes very good question jerry and it's my real pleasure to welcome back

00:19:36.720 to stand on guard katie pasitney and it's it's always a pleasure to have katie on the show

00:19:42.560 and thank you so much for coming on this morning katie yeah good morning i know it's been a while

00:19:48.080 and i appreciate you and i appreciate all your coverage that you're doing um getting the facts

00:19:53.520 out there and getting the real information because there's a lot of misinformation right now

00:19:59.360 well i had a uh substack i put a substack out yesterday which i hope you have a chance to

00:20:04.400 put on your your excite today and it's gotten huge response and this interview i did with uh

00:20:11.760 former ag minister jerry ritz and he's he's an old friend i've known jerry since long before he was

00:20:16.960 he was a cabinet minister he he was a an mp from battleford saskatchewan for for many many years

00:20:22.960 great guy he was ag minister for eight years i think you probably learned something in eight

00:20:27.920 years and i you know i i asked jerry what did you think of the cfia when you were there and he said

00:20:35.920 they're no different than they are now they don't listen to to the political leaders they think they're

00:20:42.160 a bureaucracy that can just ignore everybody except their own dictates so i'm not surprised you're doing

00:20:47.440 this so i hope you if you have a chance to watch this interview i think you're going to be emboldened

00:20:52.560 by it and i think your family will be emboldened by it because jerry is still very influential

00:20:57.680 and and as we discussed yesterday kate i'm trying to get jerry you and i and viva fry all together this

00:21:05.360 week for an interview for a great discussion about this because i think it'll be very highly productive

00:21:10.960 so i better shut up for a while no i think that would be highly productive absolutely we need more

00:21:16.400 people like kim speaking up where we can get i think a little bit of an insight into the years

00:21:22.080 of canadian food inspection agency operations because this is not something new that just came

00:21:27.440 up this is decades of policy regulations um them having no oversight this is years and or decades of that

00:21:36.400 and i i mean we ought to look at what could be fixed and what could we learn from this um if we

00:21:42.720 could learn from this situation and move on to do something amazing for canada i think it would

00:21:46.800 benefit everybody um by repeating the same mistakes we're not doing anything and i i i love what he said

00:21:53.920 because i know that he said test them and a lot of people still think we can test them but the canadian

00:21:59.120 food inspection agency outright says that even if we test them and they all test negative they're still

00:22:04.880 set to die so there's this real brick wall when it comes to this ideology of testing them um then it

00:22:13.600 puts us back to well okay let's reform the policy because what jerry just said um there is no you know

00:22:20.240 international trade for ostrich uh that's not going to affect our supply chain management it shouldn't

00:22:26.160 be affecting the poultry association um we are not a we are not a commercial poultry farm and again this

00:22:33.680 all could be kind of put to rest if we just remove ostrich from poultry um but i do believe in something

00:22:41.360 that wayne easter said who worked for parliament for many years as well and he said that their heels

00:22:49.120 are dug too far deep right now they don't know how to get

00:22:56.160 uh well we're still there

00:23:06.160 all right kate are you still there

00:23:11.360 i know that sometimes they have there we go there okay you never know i know this happens to redact it

00:23:18.960 all the time but but i but i think that is true what wayne easter said and i think their heels are

00:23:27.840 too dug dug too deep and they don't know how to get out of this so how do we offer everybody a good

00:23:32.800 solution where they can still maintain their level of you know i i don't know there's actually

00:23:41.040 if you think about it and and i guess maybe we're just a bit too far gone on our end as well

00:23:45.680 canadian food inspection agency has eroded the trust between canadians and a lot of international

00:23:51.040 people and that comes with real consequences and the real consequences of that is that we need

00:23:56.480 something i think that's going to be um come rebuilt have divisions like i said i don't understand how

00:24:03.120 the canadian food inspection agency is operating um and actually managing all the agricultural sector

00:24:09.680 i don't understand how the canadian food inspection agency is handling the fish um the wildlife you

00:24:16.720 know are not wildlife but the fisheries um then they have restaurants and they have the power of all

00:24:22.560 these other different uh areas we we really need to see i think more coordination more organization where

00:24:28.640 um say in the cattle industry there's a canadian food inspection agency cattle industry

00:24:33.680 um sector um they need experts in these areas they can't just pretend that it's a one-size-fits-all

00:24:39.440 solution where they know everything and um we really need to work at a rebuild and i think

00:24:47.280 we're ready for that and i don't know uh what to do in this situation this has been over 10 months

00:24:54.480 and i think where everybody answered they must be getting tired too david like this is um a lot of

00:25:00.640 money wasted when we should be doing something really good uh for animal welfare human welfare

00:25:06.560 and be putting canada on the map for new innovative science and technology they're supposed to be

00:25:11.520 working uh to evolve policy with veterinarians and scientists and what we're seeing is uh consistent

00:25:18.640 roadblocks yes consistent roadblocks and total obfuscation of the issue constantly from cfi but

00:25:28.880 wanted to talk briefly about this warrant to search you sent out the first page and other

00:25:34.000 pages later the other night and i talked to viva fry this morning he said be careful how you talk

00:25:38.080 about this because i know they're working on it so i just want to obliquely ask you this if you look

00:25:44.880 at that document and there's been tremendous pushback on social media from people who have read this and

00:25:50.800 they said hold it there's not even a file number on this document is this even legal and if you go to page

00:25:57.760 three it appears like the cfia is the authorizing agent for this for that for this the warrant to

00:26:04.240 search and it seems to me there's tremendous holes in this document and yet it's expiring on wednesday

00:26:11.280 right it's october 22nd it's expiring so you know first of all i know you're you're viewing this

00:26:17.440 document with suspicion but what happens on wednesday when they want to renew this thing ostensibly

00:26:22.000 yeah they renew it i don't know the complete procedure for that and the protocol but i know

00:26:28.480 that um they'll be probably filing or they'll be they'll be getting their new updated version

00:26:34.160 um we'll be talking to the lawyer now we were talking to him this morning um this has been

00:26:41.120 such a learning curve for all of us if they wrote a book on this it'd make it much easier but they didn't

00:26:46.000 and we're all human and i understand we all make mistakes but then that's where we all act like

00:26:51.440 adults and we all come to the table and say what could we learn from this how could we move forward

00:26:58.320 how could we better the canadian food inspection agency and what does that look like for canada

00:27:03.600 i think we just start asking the more productive questions rather than going backwards and it feels

00:27:10.160 like that's all we've been doing is going backwards but the canadian food inspection agency just

00:27:14.240 continues to move the goal post and when they move that goal post every time um there's a lot of

00:27:19.920 confusion with it because they say we have to do one thing you meet that goal then they move it to

00:27:25.600 another goal um and then here we are with them here for almost is it like four four weeks or three weeks

00:27:32.480 over three weeks and um there's consequences for that as well i mean our birds are paying the price

00:27:39.360 the ostriches they're not getting fed properly they're being neglected there's no

00:27:43.840 transparency in our communication there's a lack of communication and everything that they do just

00:27:50.960 adds to anger and frustration and more frustration and the world is feeling that because it should what

00:27:59.360 should be easy has become extremely difficult and uh again i thought we were supposed to be um working

00:28:08.080 together to better canada make canada safer and we have that potential here at universal ostrich farm and

00:28:14.880 um it's you know even all these rcmp that we have here like at the end of the day you talk to so many

00:28:22.160 of them and this is their first experience so canadian food inspection agency and they're learning too and

00:28:27.200 um there's a lot of bullying tactics and there's a lot of uh you know a lot of push on them to to do what they're

00:28:36.320 doing here and um i think so many people get upset when i have compassion for the rcmp but at the end of the day

00:28:43.120 they've been hired as security guards and the the biggest question we have to ask is why

00:28:48.320 why don't we have somebody to call when we need help who do we call when we need help as a farmer in

00:28:54.960 the agricultural sector and we're being steamrolled by an agency with excessive powder power who do we

00:29:01.360 call when you watch uh animal neglect in front of your eyes and animal cruelty who do you call um under

00:29:07.600 the canadian food inspection agency who do you call and uh we're seeing some a little bit more momentum

00:29:13.200 and a little bit of motivation uh in the political world but we need more where are our politicians

00:29:20.880 where are our leaders uh you know we're calling on the leaders to really step up right now because

00:29:25.520 everybody is really looking for some direction and it shouldn't be coming from our family it shouldn't

00:29:30.160 be coming from um it shouldn't be coming from um everybody out there in the world we should be our

00:29:38.080 leaders should be trying to bring a solution to the table and we're just not seeing that

00:29:43.200 and i really really hope i'm calling on our leaders to be leaders and come up with a solution

00:29:48.560 here that's going to benefit everybody well you gave a statement to the rcmp on saturday i believe

00:29:55.200 it was and are you confident at all that the cfia is going to be charged with cruelty to animals

00:30:02.560 you've got the evidence you put it out there all of us who have been following this story well not all

00:30:07.200 of us but most of us have put that evidence on social media on our broadcast platforms

00:30:12.880 in our stories and it doesn't seem like there's much of a reaction are they taking this seriously

00:30:19.280 this is an organization that's clearly mistreating neglecting and exercising cruelty to a very large

00:30:26.720 degree against your ostriches and i guess first question do you think there's going to be a charge

00:30:34.080 against them and your mom in the in the interview i showed at the beginning of the show said there's

00:30:41.280 330 ostriches remain what happened to the other 68 and this is you know so everybody has gotten hung

00:30:49.520 up on numbers across the world there's the people who are just angry about the farm who want to find

00:30:54.960 something to be create more division and this has been the perfect opportunity is canadian food

00:31:00.640 inspection agency has a number that was not the same as ours um and then and division is the oldest

00:31:08.960 tool in the toolbox and as long as we remain fighting behind the scenes at each other they get

00:31:14.000 away from with everything that they want we're passing bills in canada left right and center that are

00:31:19.360 taking away our freedoms our speech our uh every our rights and here we are we're let's just go off

00:31:27.520 their 330 even if we went off their government stated number on their website and we know that

00:31:34.480 all of our imagery that have been taken from the mountains and the hills all down into the pens we're

00:31:39.440 not getting to 330. so the family and farms of the world's question is right now why can't we even get

00:31:45.280 to 330 where are the ostriches going that's a now question where are they why can't we count them

00:31:52.960 why are we being met with resistance on every level um we've had indigenous try to come in and just

00:32:00.560 speak to them about their unceded territory with respect and say please just let us count them and

00:32:06.800 that's been shut down um we have had uh i mean we've put in our notices into canadian food inspection

00:32:14.560 inspection agency asking why can we count them ourselves um dave or myself or mom we'll leave

00:32:21.200 our phones outside the pen um can we just come in and count every time we asked to count these animals

00:32:27.040 were being denied the rcmp put up a drone and they thought that they were helping us because they are

00:32:32.160 here to keep the peace and right before thanksgiving weekend we had them put a drone up they were going

00:32:36.880 to give us a count they thought that would help put the family's mind to ease and what we saw was

00:32:42.400 them get shut down as well by canadian food inspection agency saying that they were interfering

00:32:47.360 with an investigation now to my knowledge with that uh warrant to search there's no investigation

00:32:54.240 there's this is a slaughter so i don't understand how this is uh this is affecting an investigation

00:33:02.240 but why can't we count them um why is the communication so hard between the family and

00:33:09.520 the agency that is on our land with the animals under an interim stay order why is there such a

00:33:16.160 a communication breakdown and it's why is it so hard to ask them to do the proper bedding

00:33:22.480 why is it so hard to make sure that the animals are getting fed their 26 five gallon pails a day of

00:33:27.440 their grain why is it so hard to get visuals on that and just some clarification why why is this agency

00:33:36.000 making it so hard to get the easiest answers are you confident in any way that they will be charged

00:33:45.120 the cfia will be charged for animal cruelty no no this is an agency that operates above the law they

00:33:51.920 make their own law and uh international law right they're involved with the world animal health

00:33:57.440 organization taking the lead and the directives from the world health organization which then is our

00:34:02.720 one health agenda and the united nations and we're we're not taking the direction and we're not

00:34:08.240 making the decisions from our federal to the provincial to the municipal levels anymore and that is another

00:34:14.400 big alarming piece for all canadians we need to ask why um who oversees the canadian food inspection

00:34:21.280 agency why are they making their own rules why are they allowed to um operate with no oversight they

00:34:28.800 they even go through their own audits um they let's even talk about um their audits and their uh

00:34:36.480 investigation uh we have the investigation on just the where are the ostriches and they actually

00:34:43.920 handle their own internal investigation the rcmp is not really in charge of investigating them the canadian

00:34:51.520 food inspection agency is in charge of investigating themselves could you imagine if we allowed criminals to

00:34:57.760 do that in canada that they were in charge of handling their own investigation i mean what do you

00:35:03.680 think uh what's going to happen so no i don't know i don't have faith that there's going to be any

00:35:09.120 charges brought down that there should be and uh again that's the problem let's all keep focused on

00:35:15.920 the biggest uh the the biggest issues here and that is this agency's been operating for decades with no

00:35:23.440 oversight and this is the first time where they've kind of been held accountable and being watched by

00:35:29.120 thousands and thousands of people um people have been watching them break their own policy and their

00:35:34.480 own protocol people have been watching them not um break their own code of conduct watching them break

00:35:40.720 their own uh mandates so what do we do i mean it's the age-old question of the day i think on this monday

00:35:48.240 morning and it is miracle monday i always say it's manifesting miracle more monday um every day is

00:35:55.680 opportunity to be filled with miracles but what do we do what do we do and who do we go to

00:36:03.200 well i think one of the reasons i was filled with some degree of hope when i talked to jerry ritz last

00:36:08.720 week was that you know he not only said this is a problem that's persisted for many many years and this

00:36:17.120 is a rogue agency we probably have a rogue government as well but this is a rogue agency

00:36:22.480 but you know he said they won't test the ostriches because they say it costs too much he says

00:36:27.520 that's crap we have a system in place they could do it today yeah and it might cost a hundred thousand

00:36:33.120 dollars and he said but hey that's what this operation is probably costing and i and i said the

00:36:39.760 estimate i had last week from grok was about half of that but i think jerry probably got his finger on that

00:36:46.400 because when he was minister he knew exactly how much these people were costing him in the field

00:36:52.880 and i think he's adjusting that for the the 15 years since but a hundred thousand dollars a day

00:37:00.400 to keep the cfia and the rcmp in your backyard and your aunt's backyard so they can't pick the garlic and

00:37:07.600 that to me is another outrageous example of how this government doesn't give a damn about anybody

00:37:14.240 except their supporters but here's what i'm thinking this operation is not sustainable katie

00:37:21.200 this operation is not sustainable and it's becoming and i think this is something and we'll talk about

00:37:26.800 this later this is something i think that needs to be discussed more this is has become

00:37:32.720 mark carney's million two million three million dollar boondoggle because the longer these people

00:37:40.640 are there occupying your backyard and doing nothing except harming the ostriches the more ridiculous

00:37:47.280 the more the more sinister and and the more wrong these forces look so i think that is something that

00:37:54.800 i i really think we have to emphasize the cost of this operation and whatever the hell they want to call it

00:38:00.720 and the cost of this crime i'm going to put it that way the cost of this crime is probably a hundred

00:38:06.320 thousand dollars a day and i don't think that's sustainable especially when we need cops

00:38:12.400 looking for liquid meth at the vancouver ports that we're sending to new zealand and killing people

00:38:19.200 and nobody wants to talk about that either that this is this is misdirecting police forces to a peaceful

00:38:27.280 law-abiding farm instead of doing their job and i think this is something else we have to emphasize

00:38:33.840 that this is unacceptable this is not acceptable in a country like canada no it's not it's not

00:38:39.120 acceptable even what happened to jim kerr here absolutely unacceptable no matter how the mainstream

00:38:44.960 media wants to paint it out um you know he did a live and he filmed himself going around the blue fence

00:38:51.280 which we've been told is you know we can't go around the blue fence but what this shows is he

00:38:56.960 this canadian food inspection agency is pushing really good people who have been supporters for

00:39:02.720 so many months pouring their heart into this pushing them to do things that they would never do

00:39:08.080 and it was literally just pushing grain under the fence to the animals that are starving and here he was

00:39:15.600 arrested and so you know it was a heroic action because i mean in his heart he was doing the right

00:39:21.600 thing and um everybody was like well he didn't cross the yellow police tape he didn't do this and he

00:39:27.600 didn't do that and he should have never been arrested we it we shouldn't be in this position

00:39:31.840 to start with number two we shouldn't have starving animals number three we shouldn't have supporters

00:39:35.920 that feel like they got to break the law to push grain in the underneath the fence and number four

00:39:40.240 you're right i mean here it is um he should have never been arrested because then we have video

00:39:45.280 footage of the police doing the exact same thing going around the blue fence that he did why aren't

00:39:51.200 they charged why are they going around that blue fence and you know we just really have to stick together

00:39:57.040 right now and that's what i think it's really important um the this agency is uh operating with

00:40:06.080 no and for the different regulations there um we need way more clear clear mandates clear clear uh

00:40:16.080 modern rules they need rules i think you know let's just go back to they need some rules they don't have any

00:40:23.120 um i'm really really concerned about what this is doing to to canada as well though because i think

00:40:30.160 what we haven't realized is that this is put putting canadians more at risk now than ever

00:40:34.240 um when we have an agency that we're supposed to trust and rely on to report reportable diseases

00:40:40.560 and we don't because we're worried about them coming in and killing everything we have

00:40:45.360 then we're putting canadians more at risk than ever because who do you call and we're going back to

00:40:49.920 the shoot shovel shut up now if there is a really big threat and there is a reportable disease that

00:40:55.040 we need to get our hand a handle on um we're probably gonna miss that and that's a little bit that's

00:41:02.320 scary um i think we need to come like i said to the table as adults and we need to figure this out

00:41:09.440 we need to bring experts in in their field for the for cattle farmers for dairy for hog growers for

00:41:16.800 ostrich for poultry but i believe that there has to be a more um a bigger what would you say

00:41:24.560 just a bigger group a bigger panel um on this rather than um rather than what they've been

00:41:32.080 allowed to operate with for for so long more expertise like way more expertise in the field

00:41:37.440 we were experts on for um up to february 1st if you remember that we were told by february 1st we were

00:41:43.680 to kill all of our own animals and bury them with a really bad strain of avian influenza supposedly

00:41:51.040 uh and then after february 1st somehow we lost the right to be experts even in handling the virus

00:41:57.200 another really big point i want to point out again um remember since february 26th you know we talk

00:42:03.440 about the most violent threat of avian influenza sitting here on universal ostrich farm february 26th

00:42:09.680 canadian food inspection agency had not set foot on our farm uh till september 22nd february 26th to

00:42:18.400 september 22nd they had they had no site visits they did not come and do any water samples soil

00:42:24.560 samples not one of these ostriches on our farm have ever been tested we were doing chores every day

00:42:34.640 in and out of there on our lives we were we're transparent we were not hiding anything we were

00:42:39.360 not wearing hazmat suits we knew that there was no violent threat and uh they were allowing us to go

00:42:46.080 all over we could have gone on a plane and flew to mexico if we wanted and they knew that we were

00:42:52.240 in with the pens they knew we were in and out of there they knew what we were wearing they knew how

00:42:56.640 we were feeding um so you know there just is a lot of this that doesn't make sense for a lot of canadians

00:43:03.280 and a lot of people around the world how can any of this make sense and then they can come in with force

00:43:10.400 on september 22nd and um you know push themselves through and uh and then you know and waive their

00:43:19.600 authority around serving us uh these these warrants to search that we're going to last almost a month

00:43:26.560 and now then we got an interim stay order and that interim stay order which we've had many interim stay

00:43:33.360 orders and we have had occupancy of our animals through those interim stay orders and been allowed to

00:43:39.200 feed and then now we can't i don't understand what happened between that one and this one um but we

00:43:45.280 should be able to care for our animals i've been pointing out for the last couple of days as well

00:43:50.960 as the cfia gave you an a an exemption to depopulation as they call it and they rescinded that exemption

00:44:00.000 eight days later and as i've also pointed out the same it was a week later after that the federal

00:44:07.680 government announced it was buying the vaccine the avian flu vaccine from gsk yeah now is there some

00:44:17.920 connection here because the cfia clearly said okay we recognize these ostriches are unique genetic

00:44:25.520 specimens so you don't have to depopulate as they like their euphemism and yet a week later it's like

00:44:32.080 they got orders saying hold it no we're not we're not going to allow any herd immunity here and guess

00:44:38.720 what we're buying we're buying the vaccine and that's those are the marching orders the these are

00:44:44.240 the facts we have to continue to hammer out because we need to put a spotlight on the cfia in terms of how

00:44:50.640 it's being politically motivated yeah by ideology not and not by science yeah and that's what we are

00:44:58.400 sitting canada sitting on 550 000 doses of h5n1 vaccinations right now and that is alarming because

00:45:07.520 it is not um avian influenza has become an endemic uh it's been around for years and as long as there's

00:45:15.280 migratory birds flying around we we're going to have avian influenza so um what are we going to do to for

00:45:21.680 all the open air outdoor animals are we going to just kill them or are we going to put them in barns

00:45:28.720 i mean ostriches i know can't live in barns they're a long living animal uh they live up to 50 to 70 years

00:45:35.600 they need the sunshine and they need to be outside uh so what are you going to do um you know there's

00:45:41.760 550 000 doses of the h5n1 vaccination you start to work it out they did this to the truckers and then

00:45:48.000 they did this to the healthcare workers you start to work it down to how many farms there are commercial

00:45:52.560 farms in canada to how many workers there are and what's going to be next to own your animals you're

00:45:58.160 going to have to get vaccinated you know and then you just got to start asking the questions are we

00:46:02.880 repeating history um and uh are we going to set uh you know be on the right side of history and say

00:46:09.200 absolutely not uh i i say to a lot of people i bet you if you went and got your antibodies tested

00:46:15.280 you have h5n1 antibodies uh you know if this was a true violent threat or a big threat to canadians

00:46:24.640 the beaches should have never been open this year the lakes should have never been open this year

00:46:29.440 the we shouldn't have had kids in parks this year um you know it all should have been closed down

00:46:35.360 because as long as there's migratory birds you're going to have contact with possible h5n1 i mean

00:46:41.840 it's this is uh we're this is we're chasing something that's totally unobtainable and that's

00:46:48.320 the avian influenza free status for trade it just does it will not exist it can't exist

00:46:56.080 well the cfi is even exceeding the regulations of the world organization for animal health because they

00:47:02.800 they are not saying you should automatically go to a stamping out policy you should quarantine the birds and

00:47:09.760 then test the birds to see if they're safe cfi has totally overridden this and gone right to

00:47:15.600 stamping out so i'm seeing reports that the supreme court might not assess or answer whether or not

00:47:24.960 they're going to hear your case or not till october 30th that's 10 days away do you think the birds

00:47:29.760 have that long if if the cfi continues to treat them the way they are have you got 10 days it's a good

00:47:37.360 question depends on how what their level of care is going to be i mean are they going to start feeding

00:47:42.320 them more because they do need more food because the winter is if the cold weather's here and just

00:47:47.120 like every animal you up their food and their quality of food um uh we're not getting transparent

00:47:53.840 communication and we're not getting good visuals on the on the ostriches so i don't know and if uh

00:47:59.680 we're going to keep pushing and we need bedding food and shelter uh we would have been preparing

00:48:05.280 waters are going to start to freeze uh there is winterizing that has to be done out there for

00:48:11.040 the care of these animals and we're just continuously being met with resistance so

00:48:16.400 i want to say i want to think yes we have 10 days i want to think that i want to think the best um

00:48:22.720 but again how how do we know are the animals going to start to fall ill and and not more because of that

00:48:29.520 the neglect very possible and again it's just the same question why why are we here and why are we

00:48:36.640 why are we going through this situation that could be handled so easily by an adult conversation sitting

00:48:42.320 at the table um and uh and just coming up with a better way for all canadians this is still a maybe

00:48:50.800 though in terms of this first nation yeah so here's what i think could happen is that this could be a

00:48:57.760 crack in the cfia's uh work wall and i think if if there are if the first nations are allowed to count

00:49:05.440 the birds i think this might be the beginning of the crumbling of this entire bureaucratic scheme here

00:49:11.920 because other things might follow and this is what i think we all need to work anybody who's concerned

00:49:18.960 about your farm your freedom and all of our freedom canada needs to ensure that in the next 10 days

00:49:27.600 this begins to crumble and i think what we need to use whatever resources are out there to make that

00:49:33.040 crumbling begin i think this might be the beginning of that and i had to laugh to the rcmp officer in that

00:49:40.480 in that that video uh that chris daisy put up yesterday once again they're not wearing any any

00:49:47.120 mask any protective gear they're not taking this very seriously and we know the cfi cfi didn't take

00:49:53.280 it seriously for days before they put their costumes on so it strikes me that there this could be the

00:50:01.360 beginning the turning point i hope the turning point yeah i hope because if they proceeded with the

00:50:09.120 slaughter um it's not only killing the healthy animals but it's going to kill trust innovation

00:50:16.960 science opportunity um and i think the big one that i just said is trust it's really killing off any

00:50:24.240 trust that was left but if they pause and they could reconsider uh choose science over fear speculation

00:50:32.880 um get rid of the speculation um get rid of the speculation and then still go back to science

00:50:37.280 discovery over destruction which i always say um canada could lead in reshaping uh the agricultural

00:50:45.200 response with the new outbreak response new strong policy that everybody could feel confident in

00:50:51.920 evidence um based and we could lead this with courage and we could lead this with a complete new face a new

00:50:59.440 vision a new platform and come back out of this way stronger than ever and we just could restore

00:51:06.400 the hope and that trusting canadians like i said that have become so attached to these ostriches because

00:51:11.680 they become beacons of hope i call them for so many we can identify resemble um our or see ourselves in

00:51:19.920 these animals and that is the you know just isolated and their voice being silenced and being controlled

00:51:28.640 and um we have a great opportunity they've they've done a really good uh job at displaying their

00:51:35.280 theatrical display of punishment and that's what i love to call it because there's the big blue mile

00:51:40.320 of fencing um blue fencing that's a punishment fence this is nothing to do with justice this is nothing

00:51:46.880 to do with innovation and this has nothing to do with science this is punishment punishment for

00:51:51.840 standing up to an agency that yields way too much power this is punishment for standing up and using

00:51:59.440 your voice to protect industry when there's way too much behind the scenes politically going on that

00:52:04.880 we can i can't even we can even imagine and we're just you're right like we are starting to expose different

00:52:10.880 layers and um and i really do hope we see that crumble because we need uh to reshape our agricultural

00:52:19.040 response to outbreak outbreak response yes absolutely and you've been punished by the cbc and i i don't

00:52:26.640 want to i was going i was going to ask you how did you feel when you saw that this hour is 22 minutes

00:52:32.160 segment where they depict you and your family like a bunch of ignorant hay seeds who are just too stupid

00:52:37.760 and i and i you know i have said repeatedly on the air that i don't know a more articulate eloquent

00:52:43.760 spokeswoman for the agricultural sector and i was so furious when i watched this segment because not

00:52:51.120 only has the cbc done numerous hit pieces yeah on you that have been completely based on nonsense and

00:52:59.280 erroneous material and business misinformation they've got the audacity to put a comedy sketch so-called

00:53:06.560 comedy sketch out that i think everybody i've talked to so they almost barked watching this because

00:53:12.160 it's not only disgusting it's it's strictly from high school it's so badly done it's so amateurish and

00:53:19.840 yet the cbc has had the audacity to copyright that so we couldn't show it on youtube and so we're not only

00:53:29.120 paying as taxpayers for this god-awful news agency and this this crown corporation that sucks up

00:53:36.080 1.3 billion dollars a year we can't even run their horrible segments to laugh at them and criticize

00:53:42.080 because they're copyrighted so i'm sure that made you feel real good but i you know i'll end it with

00:53:48.800 this uh katie i don't know how you've held up because as somebody who who used to work in military

00:53:56.000 public affairs i would be deployed for three weeks at a time doing a search and rescue operation and i would

00:54:01.840 be getting like 50 60 media calls a day at the minimum sometimes hundreds and i would be doing

00:54:07.600 interviews around the clock as as we tried to say how the operation was going whether we found any

00:54:14.000 people living or dead and how you know how hard our sartex were working and i was exhausted after

00:54:22.560 three weeks of that you've been doing this not you've been doing it to some degree for the entire

00:54:29.280 year but it's ever since these people invaded and occupied your farm four weeks ago today and this is

00:54:36.640 the fourth this is the four-week anniversary today they occupy they've invaded and occupied your farm

00:54:41.120 you have been doing that kind of public relations round the clock and i don't know how you do it i mean

00:54:47.680 i pray for you every day sorry i appreciate that but you know what's the hardest it's the division

00:54:55.840 ever since canadian food inspection agency put a social media task force on us the absolute

00:55:03.440 you know well-built um the material that's out there that it looks so true there was so much

00:55:10.880 misinformation so many lies and the attacks on many of our personal families on us the degrading

00:55:19.280 material that's put out there about us it is hurtful it is and you know what when you go to the rcmp

00:55:24.960 about all these hate groups that are inciting violence and they're inciting hate and they're just um

00:55:31.200 gathering momentum and there's nothing anybody can do about them and that is it is a concern i mean

00:55:37.200 what kind of a country do we live in when we allow that to to to exist um here we are we've been doing

00:55:43.600 everything right and we've been taking the legal process all seriously and we have handled this i

00:55:50.160 do believe with dignity and integrity and respect and here we are fighting for our agricultural sector

00:55:57.040 policy change that's going to have a ripple effect for our children and our grandchildren and they're

00:56:01.840 attacking us um based off old something old you know like four years ago i said the wrong word as i

00:56:09.520 learned about the program that we were doing here at the fires and once again in the fires i came and i

00:56:15.600 hunkered down and we were protecting all of our animals and i said one wrong word in that interview and

00:56:21.520 everybody is just slaughtering me over it because i i was learning our program and i said vaccine i said yeah

00:56:28.320 we vaccinated our animals we did not vaccinate our animals i learned the process through the

00:56:33.360 scientists and it was an antigen that was given to the hens and there was a one protein one protein

00:56:40.960 of the virus to then pretend make up a sequence to mimic whatever virus you know we want to give them

00:56:49.040 an antigen for um so it's a pretend virus sequence that makes the hen then um go into an autoimmune response

00:56:57.680 developing amazing beautiful robust antibodies that we can then use for human and animal welfare

00:57:05.200 protecting our children's future grandchildren's future and then it pushes us away from the vaccine

00:57:11.680 reliance but that one word has caused so much anguish and so much uh distraction over what we're really

00:57:20.320 fighting for here these animals deserve the right to to live there's millions of animals that deserve the

00:57:26.720 right to live farmers deserve the right for their livelihoods to be protected no property should

00:57:32.240 ever be seized by canadian food inspection agency no animals should be seized by canadian food inspection

00:57:38.320 agency based off speculation we need to band together and we need to protect our food security

00:57:44.000 our sovereignty our voices our freedoms and canada right now i think we're at a really critical time

00:57:50.000 and a pivotal time in history that we need to stand on the right side of canadian history and we need to

00:57:55.120 protect each other um we need to get rid of the division and mainstream media has done a bang up job

00:58:03.520 putting out there um some really really distasteful material but we're going to just stick with um doing

00:58:10.000 podcasts like yours that get the proper information out there and i think we just need to

00:58:15.360 stick with the facts and we need to see how we can get ourselves out of this

00:58:19.440 we'll be happy to know youtube hasn't been able to suppress this broadcast they try every time i cover

00:58:26.560 this story and i'll tell you i don't think there's been a day in the last three weeks that i haven't

00:58:31.760 done a segment on the show about what's happening there and that's because i from day one it's been

00:58:38.080 six months at least since i first had you on the show back in april and we've you know we've we've become

00:58:45.520 very good friends we've talked we talk about this every day and i admire your courage so much but

00:58:51.760 i'm glad you mentioned the cfia bots because my producer said don't forget to mention the cfia bots

00:59:01.200 yeah yeah so just remember get off if we use one tenth of our energy on those hate groups to go do

00:59:07.440 something good for the world we would have already we'd already be in a better position by now

00:59:11.760 you know does freedom i'll give you this encouragement too i mean there's a lot of

00:59:19.200 idiots on social media on both sides of the political spectrum who will just do nothing

00:59:25.280 except cause disturbances cause division cause annoyance because they like to get into the

00:59:32.240 they like to get in with the pigs in the mud and and and do this which is why somebody insults me on

00:59:38.000 social media i ignore them i don't get into the tip for tap because i don't frankly have the time

00:59:43.280 or the energy and you know what you know what they say when when you when you get into a fight with a

00:59:49.200 pig you know all you do is make the big happy and that's that's that's what happens with these people

00:59:54.160 because and so all i can say is ignore these social media people who think they're influencers

01:00:02.400 because they're not because they disappear next week next month they have no substance they have

01:00:08.720 no real followers these are these are people that just live off controversy and they use controversies

01:00:15.680 like this for their own agenda and that's i have no i have no time for that at all so don't don't let

01:00:23.520 these people get you down katie because you're doing a tremendous job i don't know i don't know who else

01:00:30.080 could be doing this right now who has the knowledge of agriculture and the ability and the expertise

01:00:36.080 to act as a as a public affairs public relations officer that's essentially what you're doing

01:00:40.880 for this farm and it's a massive job and this story has become not only north american but global

01:00:48.800 and it's going to get bigger in the next week i can promise you that because i'm going to make it

01:00:53.760 bigger as much as i can well thank you we're going to work we're going to work together on this i

01:01:00.000 appreciate you as always and we have a lot of uh a lot of ability to do some really good things

01:01:06.800 and when we use our voice for good and i'm going to keep pushing and i'm going to keep using my voice

01:01:12.240 and i am as much as i get discouraged um i'm gonna i do see it for what it is and um i always have been

01:01:21.280 the voice for the voiceless i love animals and i'm going to continue to be an advocate for them so

01:01:25.440 uh let's hope that we see some good change in the next week and um thank you for your support and

01:01:32.320 your ongoing dedication to the to what's happening here well thank you for what you're doing katie

01:01:37.600 we're with you so we'll talk we'll talk again later today and thanks for joining me it's been too long

01:01:43.280 and we'll see you soon bye perfect bye-bye that was of course was katie basitney i've got the name

01:01:52.400 right this time yes i always i ever since i was corrected from universal ostrich farms what an eloquent

01:01:58.000 spokeswoman for that farm for agriculture and for freedom in this country really appreciate what

01:02:03.680 she's doing so that's probably all for now i'll be back again tomorrow and we are working on this

01:02:11.280 four people interview with jerry ricks katie and viva fry hopefully we'll get that together by thursday

01:02:21.200 thanks for watching today god bless you all let's resolve to resist and we can do it together

01:02:28.720 so

01:02:36.800 oh

01:02:37.840 you

01:02:48.400 you

Stand on Guard with David Krayden - October 21, 2025

You Won't Believe What the Carney Liberals Have Done! ｜ Stand on Guard

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