It's a slow news day here in the UK, just the illusion falling apart before our very eyes. Those of you that are familiar with ideas like Similacra and Simulacrum will know that beneath apparent reality, there is a deeper reality bubbling away. Deleuze, the French postmodernist philosopher says it's like a kettle boiling: the water will become steam, the suppressed reality will emerge. And today, when you sort of see the resignation of Liz Truss, six weeks after she became Prime Minister, we're forced to confront that potentially we live at a time when politicians have become disposable. What does that say about the real nature of power and where real power is situated? That's why we've called today's show The Mask Is Slipping, because also, later in the show, we re going to be talking about the relationships between Big Pharma and the government, the ongoing gain of function, and the ongoing debate around whether it s going to function or not. There's a debate about whether it's going to work or not, but there's no doubt that the people doing it have said it won't function, but other people have said that it won t function. So there s a debate, and a debate. Let us know in the chat if you think that this recent spectacle is a kind of indication that our establishment systems are falling apart, and what does that mean for the future of our democracy? and we'll let us know if you agree or disagree with us in the answer to that question in The Mask is Slipping. . Thank you for listening to the show! your continued support is greatly appreciated thank you so much, your support is so appreciated, your feedback is so much appreciated, we really do appreciate it, and we really does mean the world to us a lot to us we really appreciate it so much. We really appreciate your support, thank you. - Gareth and Jocelyn xoxo - Caitlin Durie Caitlyn and Jonny - Jonny & Gareth Sarah (The Mask is slipping Thanks, Jonny and Jonnie . . . - The News Jocelynn Josie ( ) Jonathan And the Mask Is slipping - SUE B. ( ) - Sue B. Young-Poole
00:00:00.000I'm going to go ahead and get the camera.
00:11:58.000Slow news day here in the UK, just the illusion falling apart before our very eyes.
00:12:05.000Those of you that are familiar with ideas like Simulacra and Simulacrum will know that beneath apparent reality there is a deeper reality bubbling away.
00:12:15.000Deleuze, the French post-modernist philosopher, says it's like a kettle boiling.
00:12:26.000And today, when you sort of see the resignation of Liz Truss, I think six weeks after she became Prime Minister, we're forced to confront that potentially we live at a time When politicians have become disposable, what does that say about the real nature of power and where real power is situated?
00:12:47.000That's why we've called today's show The Mask Is Slipping because also later in the show we're going to be talking about the relationships between Big Pharma and the government, the ongoing gain of function.
00:13:00.000It's not gain of function research, it's that they've created new There's a debate around whether it's going to function or not.
00:13:06.000The people doing it have said it's not going to function, but other people have said it is going to function.
00:13:17.000An actual scientist with us also is Sue B.
00:13:21.000Young Putin, who will be giving us your comments.
00:13:24.000Let us know in the chat if you think that this recent spectacle is a kind of indication that our establishment systems are falling apart.
00:13:35.000Over the course of this next hour, what I'm going to be pondering and asking you is, do you think that what will happen is that the carousel will continue to twirl, new protagonists will come forward, we'll get a new leader of the British Conservative Party, or perhaps the Labour Party will salvage us from this economic wreckage?
00:14:00.000The problem is institutional, global, ...deeply ideological and beyond parliamentary, or in the case of America, congressional politics, and ultimately will lead us to...
00:14:14.000Well, I mean, if you want to see how this chaos, this new and emergent chaos is presenting itself, look at just normal British news.
00:14:23.000And if you're watching this in America, or you're watching this in France, or if you're watching this in Algeria, wherever in the world you're watching this, think about your own systems of governance, and are they truly representative of the will of the people, or are they ultimately the playthings of powerful international interests?
00:14:38.000This is a question you can ask yourself.
00:14:41.000And again, with the broader philosophical question that relates to the nature of illusion, the nature of reality, the spectacle, the constructed reality we're invited to participate in, look at this is normal British telly.
00:15:16.000Look at the normal news from yesterday.
00:15:19.000It has been a night of astonishing scenes at Westminster with reports of jostling, manhandling, bullying and shouting outside the parliamentary lobby.
00:15:29.000The first thing they're reporting on is jostling.
00:15:31.000This is prior to Liz Truss's resignation, by the way.
00:15:35.000Before Liz Truss resigned yesterday, the Home Secretary resigned.
00:16:25.000We don't know what we're doing anymore.
00:16:27.000We're the corporate media partners of the financial interests that put those people in government and deny you any real democratic possibility.
00:18:53.000No, don't look at me like I'm out the door!
00:18:55.000These are the people that are in charge.
00:18:56.000Isn't the whole point of it, the whole point of the suits, the accents, the university educations, isn't the point of all of that to create some distinction between them and us?
00:19:07.000That this, these are the representatives of the system.
00:19:25.000They'll try to paper over this, but for now it's becoming clear that something's going on, isn't it?
00:19:28.000I like how long this opening monologue is.
00:19:30.000It's normally really short and snappy, but the story's so long that they have to keep repeating the music underneath.
00:19:37.000Like, if they were doing that music, like, yeah, because normally it's just, uh, Obama visited Britain, people cross with Trump, Biden seems a bit old.
00:19:47.000Yeah, but now it's just gone on so long because people are resigning, coming back, hitting each other, manhandling, bullying, shouting, effing furious.
00:19:54.000I'm furious, I've done a jostle, I'm pissed off, oh, I'm back again, call that jostling, I'll see you in court, I'll jostle you until you're into the middle of next week.
00:24:06.000We came in a time of instability, she's about to start bringing Putin up, families and businesses were fucked.
00:24:11.000Those things, exactly your point, those things are still going on.
00:24:15.000Mark, if I was there I'd say, we came in when it was like this, and I've left when it's like this, but it's exactly the same.
00:24:21.000In a short six weeks, I've actually made it a bit worse.
00:24:25.000Again, your political resignation shouldn't be... You should offer a mea culpa, wouldn't you?
00:24:32.000I suppose what she should be saying, if this was normal life, and again, this is why if you don't know why Trump's successful, I would say in part it's his His ability to communicate in a manner that seems like a normal person talking, even though he's evidently extraordinary.
00:24:48.000What this person could be saying is, look, I've only been Prime Minister six weeks, it seems ridiculous that I'm already here resigning.
00:24:55.000We had some ideas and we did get elected on that mandate, but the ideas, you know, like the reduction of the top rate of tax, it's not worked.
00:25:57.000...continent and our country has been held back for too long by low economic growth.
00:26:04.000I was elected by the Conservative Party with a mandate to change this.
00:26:09.000We delivered on energy bills and on cutting national Bill's so proud of them energy bills, but what they've actually done is they're giving energy companies some taxpayer money.
00:26:19.000It's not like they've not gone, listen you energy company, we ain't giving you no more money, we're taking back them energy companies, they're ours now, now fuck off!
00:26:27.000I mean, swearing aside, you could actually do that.
00:26:30.000So we've been elected, well I suppose you'd probably want to get elected on that kind of mandate.
00:26:35.000For a brief while in this country, Jeremy Corbyn was leader of the Labour Party and proposed things like the renationalisation of energy companies, railways, free education and high taxation for wealthy corporations and super wealthy individuals.
00:26:51.000And recently after he was ...booted out of office after some pretty interesting maneuvering by the establishment.
00:26:58.000He said, I don't think anything I was proposing was that weird.
00:27:02.000I mean, I feel they were quite good ideas.
00:27:04.000When are people going to accept that change might mean doing things different?
00:27:36.000Right, well, let's definitely get the other party of people that basically went to the same schools, had the same jobs, have the same interests, are funded in more or less the same way.
00:27:47.000Because genuinely radical politics and genuinely radical ideas cannot be included within that system because the system's priority is self-preservation and it will only make minimal changes so that you have the appearance of transformation without actual transformation.
00:28:03.000An example from across the United States, we've covered it on our channel already, Biden says decriminalise cannabis.
00:28:09.000Biden does, we're going to release everyone from federal prison that's in jail for cannabis charges only.
00:29:55.000Well I think that everything is so purely, what do I want to say, sort of superficial, bureaucratic and rudimentary that it's completely devoid of any real meaning and even the performers, it's like people are sort of waking up in the pods now like, oh my god, how can you connect this to any value?
00:30:12.000I'm sure she's having actual real feelings.
00:30:15.000When I think about that, when I think of her humanity, when I think of her as a child and with her dreams, when I think of her eternal spirit, when I think of the fact that she's just a human, just a girl, standing in front of a boy, asking him if she can be Prime Minister for another half hour.
00:32:35.000It's like Solomon Grundy, but it's in fact a period of leadership.
00:32:40.000I suppose when something this radical and this immediate takes place, there has to be a kind of reckoning, doesn't there?
00:32:49.000Are we ultimately just going to deliver another person into that position, another person that will ultimately stand in front of another podium in a matter of weeks or months or years after serving the financial interests of the groups that fund the Conservative Party rather than representing the interests of the people that they were elected to serve?
00:33:10.000Not going to be a pivotal and transitional moment, is it?
00:33:15.000You know, obviously she was originally a Lib Dem, and she gave that speech about the abolition of the Royal Family when she was a Lib Dem.
00:33:23.000And, you know, look at someone like Boris, you know, Etonian proper bred Tory, or Cameron, those people that like really lasted the distance.
00:33:33.000That's one of the many things that Boris had to go through when all those parties came out.
00:34:03.000I mean, because as you know, sort of like my overall perspective is that sort of within the various shades that exist in the different parliamentary parties is... I don't know that these are kind of meaningless exchanges and shuffling unless something happens that genuinely affects the lives of ordinary people.
00:34:21.000Now of course I have been more involved in mainstream politics and I've even myself stood
00:34:28.000outside of that iconic front door, number 10 Downing Street, where Churchill has stood.
00:34:35.000When I was like, briefly, in fact it was when me and Gareth first started, our first iteration
00:34:39.000of this channel was called The Truths, where we'd just do daily comments on the news, sometimes
00:34:44.000it was somewhat incendiary, and it was broadly undertaken from the perspective that mainstream
00:34:49.000politics was futile and I was kind of escalated into a position of public prominence when
00:34:56.000I admitted that I'd never voted in my life because it was pointless.
00:35:00.000And I said, well, people that I know and grew up with, no one votes.
00:35:03.000They sort of consider it to be sort of a senseless, futile, phatic exercise.
00:35:08.000And regardless of who you vote for, you get the same sort of political and economic interests ultimately being represented.
00:35:15.000And in a sense, I got sort of mired in all sorts of arguments.
00:35:19.000And we, on our channel then, and hopefully on our channel now, Decided instead to represent interests outside of Parliament, activist groups and this was when I got involved with this campaign group to stop these flats getting closed down and taken over and these women ran this campaign and we amplified their campaign, shone a bit of a light on it.
00:35:39.000I became friends with these free women and in this moment a Channel 4 journalist was confronting me and sort of like, I can't remember exactly what he was saying.
00:35:46.000He was digging me out and winding me up.
00:35:48.000Really all I was doing was helping this community get their campaign more prominent.
00:35:55.000But eventually, after getting irritated by this journalist, I used one of the campaigners as a kind of human shield.
00:37:11.000What I did there is I got a little bit too cockney.
00:37:14.000I got sort of sucked into her cockney orbit for a moment.
00:37:17.000You had a long time to think about what your final point was going to be and then your final point was you're a snide.
00:37:23.000I still think it stands the test of time because I was like looking at him there feeling like really sort of strong feelings of discontent and malevolence towards that man.
00:37:34.000Do you think you need to explain what a snide is at this stage?
00:38:02.000Before we go into our main video today, where we look at, I mean, extraordinarily, one of the financial interests that was potentially involved in the potential lab leak that may have led to the global pandemic, which has been part of this ongoing narrative that we're experiencing of lurching from crisis to crisis, no peace, no sense, no purchase.
00:38:27.000They are now doing additional, as Gareth said, potentially gain-of-function research.
00:38:31.000It might not be gain-of-function research, that's something that's being debated.
00:38:34.000But what I will tell you is they're making a bat coronavirus more deadly, giving it to mouses, and the mouses are dropping like flies.
00:38:45.000Doesn't seem like... I mean, you know, like, get another hobby is what I'd say.
00:38:49.000Let's have a look at that geezer, um, sort of saying, like, who's really emotional about... This is just, again, sort of like some sort of British MP.
00:38:56.000And again, what I find interesting is that the emotion is surging to the forefront.
00:39:01.000People aren't even using correct political discourse anymore.
00:39:05.000I'm sorry, it's very difficult to convey.
00:39:48.000The hairdresser, the whole thing's falling apart.
00:39:51.000Look at the sort of gothic architecture, the grandeur, the goddesses that adorn these buildings and what takes place in this skullduggery, slipperiness, deceptiveness.
00:40:03.000I feel that we're living in a time where the illusion is fracturing.
00:40:06.000I think this is more than localised, national or even global politics.
00:40:30.000I don't want to live like this anymore.
00:40:33.000Where are you going to get the resources from?
00:40:34.000You're going to use techniques like mentorship, We're going to use reflection, contemplation, and ultimately, you're going to have to go within yourself, which is a risky business, because there be dragons.
00:40:44.000When you go into those depths, there are dangers.
00:40:47.000I truly believe this is a time where we have to look at alternative systems, real democracy, decentralized power, the empowerment of ordinary people to run their own communities.
00:40:59.000It's not necessarily new ideas, I mean, but something certainly that, you know, Jeremy Corbyn was talking about just You know, seven years ago.
00:41:07.000Get some, get a control over national facilities so at least ordinary people can expect a basic standard of living, can pay their bills, can eat food.
00:41:17.000Like the real Maslow pyramid of needs.
00:41:19.000Just the first bit of the pyramid they would have done before that to sort of work out pulleys and systems that we still don't really understand.
00:41:28.000I don't know, does he say anything else worthwhile?
00:41:31.000But because it's in their own personal interest to achieve ministerial position and I know I speak for hundreds of backbenchers who right now are worrying for their constituents all the time but now worrying about their own personal circumstances because there is nothing as X as an ex-MP.
00:42:26.000All right, so the actual news, in addition to watching parliamentary politics collapse before our very eyes, an indication that something new and powerful could yet be formed that will involve you.
00:42:49.000Well I mean we don't know whether it is happening for this reason or not but interestingly also the health and resource resources and services administration has clarified what needs to happen for a vaccine to become liability free.
00:43:00.000For a vaccine to be covered the CDC must recommend the category of vaccine for routine administration to children or pregnant women.
00:43:06.000So essentially For these vaccines and manufacturers such as Pfizer and Moderna to become liability-free, as in not be able to be sued, the CDC would have to recommend these vaccines to children, which is happening.
00:43:17.000Why would they want to be liability-free?
00:43:19.000Why would you, for sure, did they anticipate there being some kind of liability?
00:43:43.000We've got another Johnson, we don't use him much.
00:43:45.000What we do with this Johnson is we blame him when we have legal cases, because you know Johnson, Johnson, I mean I can't believe I'm saying this out loud, but Johnson, Johnson's baby powder is potentially carciogenic and certainly Johnson and Johnson have paid out two billion in, uh, remuneration and damages to, I think, 22 women who say that they got ovarian cancer as a result of that exposure.
00:44:05.000They probably settled it out of court so that it's not legally provable, right?
00:44:29.000And we're all engaged in a ludicrous spectacle that can't even be bothered to hold itself together for the duration of a simple resignation speech.
00:44:37.000And if you're living in New York City, God help you, because the rats have taken over to such a degree that people, like the officials that are giving speeches, seem to be more interested in the rats than the people of New York.
00:44:54.000Yeah, this is an amazing story, because apparently, well, the New York City has apparently become an all-night, all-you-can-eat rat buffet, they're saying.
00:45:51.000Rats, if they have a language at all, it's a sort of almost pheromonal system of communication that takes place way beneath the lexicon of human English.
00:46:13.000That's not an impressive statement, I think, if you're in charge of New York, for your thing to be to show authority by saying, the rats don't run this city.
00:46:22.000and not rat high. That's why we live the way we do.
00:46:25.000That's not an impressive statement I think if you're in charge of New York
00:46:29.000for your thing to be to show authority by saying the rats don't run this city
00:47:34.000One thing I noticed a lot of confusion of, people seem to think that the film Rat 2 is actually a documentary about a rat who's trying to make it as a chef, but there's a lot of prejudice against rats.
00:47:45.000So obviously what he's done, in a rather complex system of semaphore, he's gotten inside a boy's chef hat, who's not actually that good of a cook, and he's manipulating that boy to be in a Very good chef.
00:47:56.000In the end, though, they accept that the rat should be the chef himself.
00:48:42.000Like when people go, oh, hip-hop, it's making people too violent.
00:48:44.000Or computer games is making too violent.
00:48:46.000Ratatouille has convinced everyone that they can become Michelin star chefs if they're willing to accept this violent infestation and possibly use them as marionette themselves.
00:49:00.000Forget the cost of living crisis, the real problem is people have got rats inside their chef's hat.
00:49:05.000Right, guys, we're sick and tired of this.
00:49:07.000Every single one of you, lift up your fucking chef hats right now.
00:49:13.000We don't have to lift up our chef hats.
00:49:34.000I've not been to New York for a while because of Covid and everything.
00:49:36.000I didn't realise that rats were like vying for dominance in the city and a considerable number of New Yorkers were sort of up for it because of Ratatouille.
00:49:45.000They're having to be dissuaded from it.
00:49:55.000Baby, if there is a post-apocalyptic hell, it'll be like Wall-E and, like, you know, a little robot will find love with another little robot.
00:50:11.000Why are people in New York having to explain that Pixar movies are fictional?
00:50:16.000Representations of whimsical stuff that might be delightful in the world of animation, but if it actually happened, it would be akin to hell.
00:50:25.000I mean, a real-life person trying to make it as a chef, and you found out, oh, God, what's your secret?
00:50:41.000Those pen pushers at City Hall, they're against this bloody fascist pigs, but what I've got is he's the rat and he's on my head right now actually, and he's like tugs at my scalp, and like he directs the cooking.
00:50:54.000Yeah, if I'm adding turmeric, he says That's enough turmeric, son.
00:52:38.000We're in this sort of clown world, bizarre circus you're being invited to inhabit.
00:52:44.000People are now scientists, brilliant men and women that might be curing actual diseases and finding solutions for the myriad problems we face in harmony with economists, finding new ways for us to trade and communicate, are instead trying to make A new type of coronavirus that's much worse than the last one, which could, let's face it, have been leaked from a lab.
00:53:05.000Well, the same people funding, the same people involved are doing more crazy, wacko stuff.
00:53:13.000What I will tell you is because I love you and because we care about you, at the end of today's show, Nick Ortner, my friend and creator of Tapping Solutions, a brilliant app that you should download, that you can download for free, will be on to give us some tapping advice.
00:53:26.000Tapping's a bit like, I suppose, Acupuncture, in that it operates on the body's meridians and helps you beat stress.
00:53:33.000Now, you might think, oh, this is a bit mad what Russell's doing, but actually, somewhere downstairs, there's a rat making a lovely lasagna as a direct result of what I'm doing now.
00:53:43.000I said moussaka, you little motherfucker!
00:54:34.000The mutant variant, which is a hybrid of Omicron and the original Wuhan virus, yay, super group, killed 80% of the mice infected with it at Boston University.
00:54:44.000The revelation exposes how dangerous virus manipulation research continues to go on, even in the US, despite fears similar practices may have started the pandemic.
00:54:54.000Professor Shmuel Shapira, a leading scientist in the Israeli government, said, this should be totally forbidden.
00:55:25.000A team of researchers from Boston and Florida attached Omicron's spike to the original wild-type strain that first emerged in Wuhan at the start of the pandemic.
00:56:43.000It's pretty obvious, isn't it, that making coronavirus much worse and then giving it to some little mouses is going to have a negative effect.
00:56:51.000Whoa, what the hell's going to happen here?
00:56:53.000Maybe these mouses will develop superpowers and we can get them to stop Hitler.
00:56:58.000He's looking pretty pissed off up there.
00:57:15.000When a similar group of rodents were exposed to the standard Omicron strain, however, they all survived and only experienced mild symptoms.
00:57:33.000Right in the paper, they said, in mice, while Omicron causes mild non-fatal infection, the Omicron S carrying virus inflicts severe disease with a mortality rate of 80%.
00:57:43.000The researchers said it signaled that while the spike protein is responsible for infectivity, changes to other parts of its structure determine its deadliness.
00:57:50.000Well, that's Really nice to know which exact bit is going to kill your grandad and any rodent pets that you might have had to soothe him in his lonely demise.
00:57:59.000And of course we all know grandad was doing quite well until there was that lab leak which killed not only him but Huey, Louie and Dewey.
00:58:06.000I suppose I can understand, in the abstract, why making a virus more deadly in order to cultivate a response to it, so that if that ever happened in reality, is a kind of good way of gaming out potential problems.
00:58:19.000But it does seem like the motivation might be financial and economic at best, and maleficent at worst, rather than Come on, let's get on it guys!
00:58:30.000You know, this doesn't actually help, does it?
00:58:32.000This isn't the solution we're looking for.
00:58:37.000Why not use the best scientific minds in the world to solve the problems that people are actually facing, rather than creating much worse problems that we've only just bloody well got over?
00:58:46.000Based on your recent experiences of being alive, which of these two potential mainstream media stories seems more likely?
00:58:53.000There's a new deadly coronavirus, but we have already developed a vaccine for it, so you don't need to worry, and we're gonna give it to you free at a price that's right.
00:59:01.000Even your taxpayer money will be reasonably distributed.
00:59:26.000One of those news stories has already happened.
00:59:29.000The other one, I've never heard anything like it.
00:59:31.000Professor David Livermore, a professor of microbiology at the UK's University of East Anglia, said, given the strong likelihood that the COVID pandemic originated from the escape of a lab-manipulated coronavirus in Wuhan, these experiments seem profoundly unwise.
00:59:46.000There's unwise, and then there's like, dropping into a new level of like Doctor Strange.
00:59:58.000Even if you take the worst global conspiracy of them manipulating it in order to dominate the globe, it's still not a good idea.
01:00:05.000Gain-of-function research was largely restricted in the US until 2017 when the National Institutes of Health began to allow it to take place using government funds.
01:00:13.000Previously, it had been halted from 2014 to 2017 over concerns that it could lead to the inadvertent creation of a pandemic.
01:00:36.000The University of Boston refuted that the experiments are going to function, adding that the research was reviewed and approved by the Institutional Biosafety Committee, IBC, and the Boston Public Health Commission.
01:00:48.000A spokesperson said, ultimately, this research will provide a public benefit by leading to better targeted therapeutic interventions to help fight against future pandemics.
01:00:57.000Well, in the end, ultimately, when you play it all out, then eventually, Hitler, of course, causes those genocides.
01:01:25.000There's no evidence that the work was conducted improperly or unsafely, but it's become apparent that the research team did not clear the work with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which was one of the funders of the project.
01:01:39.000They were the people that were helping us and guiding us through the last pandemic with their brilliant advice and potential ties to groups and organizations that were involved in the Wuhan experiments in the first place.
01:01:50.000I can't remember any of the names of any of the individuals, but I feel like Anthony Fauci was the head of the NIAID.
01:01:57.000Interesting to see that guy's legacy continues after his own personal retirement.
01:02:01.000The agency's gonna be looking for some answers as to why it first learned of the work through media reports.
01:02:06.000Would you mind telling us what the hell's going on in that laboratory?
01:02:09.000I've been reading in the New York Times, which I love, by the way, that you guys are making Hitler some sort of Superman.
01:02:17.000Yeah, what, do we have to tell you everything we do with your money?
01:02:24.000Emily Erbelding, director of NIAID's Division of Microbiology and Infectious Diseases, said the BU team's original grant applications did not specify that the scientists wanted to do this precise work.
01:02:54.000Nor did the group make clear that it was doing experiments that might involve enhancing a pathogen of pandemic potential in the progress reports it provided to the NIAID.
01:04:19.000There have long been speculation about the true origins of the virus that took over the world in early 2020.
01:04:25.000Some believe that the virus could be man-made with explanations ranging from the accidental to the nefarious.
01:04:30.000It is feared that the virus being developed managed to infect an employee, then escape into the real world from there.
01:04:36.000The theory for COVID was initially dismissed as conspiracy at the start of the pandemic in favour of natural emergence.
01:04:42.000Quite rightly, it clearly was a conspiracy.
01:04:44.000There's absolutely no evidence of any employee getting any diseases that could have led to COVID anyway.
01:04:50.000The hypothesis gained momentum following a series of revelations and cover-ups.
01:04:54.000Just because there's revelations and cover-ups, that doesn't mean that government agencies and private pharmaceutical interests are concealing a potential problem that would leave them culpable for a global pandemic.
01:05:06.000Crucial information about the earliest infected patients was wiped from the Wuhan Labs database in 2019.
01:05:14.000And one of its staff vanished after coming down with a mysterious flu-like illness.
01:05:19.000You think just because we wiped the database and because an employee disappeared with a mysterious flu-like illness that somehow there's been some sort of cover-up and the coronavirus started in the lab?
01:05:30.000We wiped that database because it's contained a lot of surprise information for your birthday and one, without getting you a cake, That super-enhanced Adolf Hitler was a surprise for your birthday and you've ruined it!
01:05:51.000If you want an opinion, my opinion is probably there are better areas of endeavour for the finest scientific minds that Pfizer can buy to be Putting their attention, focus and concentration upon solving the real problems of ordinary people all over the world, creating a fairer, more just, more medically sound and robust civilization for all of us, which I believe is achievable and possible, which is why it's so frustrating.
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01:07:07.000Now though, I just want to follow up a little bit on the Liz Truss resignation story and how parliamentary politics, or in the case of the United States of America, congressional politics, is incapable of addressing the issues, or not incapable, unwilling to address the issues that affect I'm talking to Chris Webb now, he's head of communications of the activist group Enough is Enough.
01:07:31.000Chris, I understand that thanks for joining us mate.
01:07:33.000I believe that the Enough is Enough campaign is essentially a way for All people of all denominations and all political beliefs to come together to push back against the rising cost of living.
01:07:57.000Yeah, I mean we, exactly what you've just said there really, we believe that the Enough is Enough campaign is about bringing together ordinary working people, trade unionists, community groups, individuals to deliver change because we think the political system has failed working class people for decades now.
01:08:42.000We're holding rallies and events up and down the UK.
01:08:45.000So you take the most typical ones like London, where we had 10,000 people.
01:08:50.000For a rally with Mick Lynch from the RMT, Dave Ward from the CW and others in Kings Cross a couple of weeks ago.
01:08:56.000But we're also going to places like Norwich, Russell, who traditionally aren't political hotbeds.
01:09:01.000And there's 700 people turn out there on a Tuesday night because there's an appetite for change and there's an appetite for working class people to deliver it.
01:09:08.000So I'm the head of communications at the CW.
01:09:11.000We've had 155,000 people on strike today.
01:09:12.000Royal Mail workers, and we've had BT and open reach workers and those picket lines have been so so lively and one of the interesting things there in the Royal Mail dispute take for example is the seventh day of strike action within a few weeks seven days of not getting paid in a cost of living crisis which is hitting people hard our members lose using food banks
01:09:37.000People worried about being able to pay their rent.
01:09:39.000And they're still out to a person on that picket line because finally there's some hope.
01:09:43.000There's a combination that maybe through the combination of the trade union movement, Enough is Enough campaign and working class people coming together, we can deliver change in this country.
01:09:54.000Chris, that's so exciting to hear you talk like that, to hear a new popular movement emerging that is open to all of us, outside of parliamentary politics, where real issues that matter to people are being addressed in a way that they never can in these co-opted bipartisan systems, whether you're in America or England or wherever you are in the world, there's a sense that parliamentary or government or politics is becoming Extracted from the interests of ordinary people and co-opted by corporate interests.
01:10:24.000So encouraging and so exciting to hear that.
01:10:26.000Of course there's the Don't Pay UK campaign that we're familiar with, where people are going to renege on their energy bills because of the corruption.
01:10:32.000Acknowledging that the measures taken by Liz Truss, former Prime Minister, after that six-week shindig are irrelevant.
01:10:40.000Although they might be a little bit of piecemeal aid, ultimately their money's still going to energy companies.
01:10:46.000Do you feel, mate, that wherever you are in the world there is a dearth of political representation for movements that genuinely and meaningfully improve the lives of ordinary working people?
01:11:01.000I mean, we work with Senator Nina Turner.
01:11:03.000I'm not sure if you're familiar with Nina, and she uses the phrase, what happens over there happens over here.
01:11:07.000And that's exactly, you know, the businesses and the corporations and the politicians, they work together collectively to suppress working class people and to suppress working people in general.
01:11:18.000I mean, a little interesting stat as well was Liz Truss was elected as leader of this country by just 83,000 Tory party members.
01:11:28.000Our mandate in raw mail strike 86,000 poster workers voted for strike action.
01:11:33.000She's got no mandate and she's had no mandate and that's been played out but we are seeing levels of engagement whether it's through industrial action through the enough is enough campaign that we haven't seen for decades Russia we're seeing I mean and it's not just your usual suspects it's not like you go into these enough is enough rallies or you come into picket lines and you know you've been around For a significant period of time and you've got really good, well-meaning, left-leaning people who come up and they turn up time after time after time and they've put the shift in.
01:12:03.000We are getting people from all walks of life turning up and all backgrounds turning up to these rallies and people really are saying enough is enough and we're giving them an outlet.
01:12:13.000So what we're also saying, which I think is interesting, We need to do it in the workplace, so people need to join the trade union, they need to get organised, and they need to win at work.
01:12:23.000We also need to do it in their communities.
01:12:25.000But the political systems are a total and utter embarrassment in this country.
01:12:29.000Listen, we're calling for a general election.
01:12:31.000We want this Tory party out in this country.
01:12:34.000Any Labour government is going to be better than any Tory government.
01:12:37.000But what we can't do is rely on politicians to deliver that change for us.
01:12:41.000Change in this country, if it's going to be true change, will only be delivered by a grassroots movement of people
01:12:47.000rising up and demanding more and putting pressure on politicians to deliver that
01:12:52.000or saying to those politicians if they don't deliver it, then move out of the way.
01:12:55.000Chris, I'd be so excited if we on our show could participate with the Enough is Enough movement
01:13:01.000in popularising your message and helping to spread it, this message of inclusion
01:13:06.000that invites people from across the previous political spectrum
01:13:09.000to participate in the creation of real change.
01:13:12.000My understanding is there's nothing the establishment fears more than people throwing off the categories of left and right.
01:13:20.000...issues that can exist between different cultural or racial or religious groups to come together and represent our common interests and anything we can do to be of service to your movement we will undertake.
01:13:31.000Where should people follow you so they can learn more about the ongoing campaign and the activism that you're undertaking, please?
01:13:37.000So get on our website, wesayenough.co.uk, follow us on Twitter, follow us on Instagram, follow us on Facebook.
01:13:44.000The followings are getting absolutely massive.
01:15:56.000With the world in this state of continuing chaos, with the breakdown in trust in corporations and governments, with a news cycle that seems designed to terrify people, how do you think that your tapping method can help us?
01:16:11.000Yeah, well, I mean, it's a big task, right, to deal with this overwhelm.
01:16:14.000But the reality is that when we Here are these things, you know, how do we find that balance between staying informed, between looking at what's happening in the news, and then also finding that inner peace, like enjoying our lives, being able to control the things that we can control.
01:16:28.000I know that you often talk about local level, right?
01:16:31.000Like, what can we control on a local level?
01:16:34.000And that applies not just to politics, it applies to our lives.
01:16:37.000So like what can we control in our lives today?
01:16:41.000What are the things that we can let go of?
01:16:43.000How can we show up at our best selves?
01:16:45.000Because the revolution that you're speaking of, the revolution that I know the people watching want, The individual bringing the best out of them, right?
01:16:54.000It's not going to come if we're stressed, if we're overwhelmed, if we're angry beyond being able to think.
01:16:59.000So what we're doing with the tabbing is we're releasing some of that stress, we're releasing some of those issues that we have, we're releasing some of the traumas from the past so we can find that present moment and from there create the life and the world that we want.
01:17:12.000Looking at a little poll that we just done on Instagram, only a third of you have tried tapping.
01:17:18.000We are going to be doing some tapping together.
01:17:21.000There have been times in my life where I've gone from feeling like really, really anxious, really, really scared and really fearful.
01:17:28.000And I've used Nick Orton's tapping techniques to make myself feel better.
01:17:35.000We're going to have to do it on Stay Free AF, which is our membership community, which you can join.
01:17:40.000In a couple of clicks, if you want to do that right now, you can see us in a second.
01:17:44.000So, today has been an extraordinary day.
01:17:47.000The spectacle is falling apart around us.
01:17:51.000Whether it's further evidence of corporate corruption, pharmaceutical corroboration... You don't need to do it now, darling, because we'll have a little minute for the turnaround.
01:18:11.000So listen, it's been an extraordinary day of disruption and madness and insanity.
01:18:17.000And it's presenting itself, I think, in an increasingly peculiar variety of ways.
01:18:24.000The corporate corruption is more evident.
01:18:26.000The fact that political figures are disposable and replaceable is becoming plain and clear.
01:18:33.000But, along with that, new activist movements are emerging and new techniques for wellness.
01:18:40.000In my opinion, these two things must align.
01:18:42.000As Nick just said, we have resources within us, individually and collectively.
01:18:47.000Tomorrow we're going to be doing a fantastic story about misinformation, disinformation and censorship.
01:18:51.000You know we've been victims of that stuff.
01:18:53.000We are launching a book club and our first book is, of course, of course, 1984.
01:18:59.000We now, though, are going to slip over to the Stay Free AF community, and we are going to tap like we had a rat under our hat with my friend Nick Ortner.