Stay Free - Russel Brand - A Conversation With Tommy Robinson

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brandon trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:16.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:20.000 Tommy Robinson remains one of the most controversial figures in British political life.

00:00:24.000 But as the world continues to change, as the subject of migration gets more traction, as the new political party, Restore UK, led by Rupert Lowe, comes to the forefront.

00:00:33.000 As we all sit around in peculiar bafflement at end us Middle Eastern wars and the revelations of the Epstein Files, surely now is a more important time than ever before to seek out new alliances, to recognize that politics has got to change, power's got to change, that we need direct participatory democracy.

00:00:51.000 That's one of the subjects I talked about, Tommy Robinson.

00:00:54.000 But see if you can spot the thing he was most interested in.

00:00:56.000 If you're a follower of our content, you'll have seen that it was a reference to my past.

00:01:01.000 Indeed, we're doing a watch-along of that very particular episode, Wanky Wanky, coming soon.

00:01:08.000 But for now, though, please enjoy this brilliant conversation with Tommy Robinson.

00:01:16.000 Be with us, Lord.

00:01:17.000 Be with us so that we don't fall into selfishness or manipulation or anything.

00:01:21.000 Just help me to listen, help me to put aside everything that I think I know or understand so that I can be present with you.

00:01:26.000 I know that there's a way that the world can improve.

00:01:29.000 I know you have a plan and a vision for us.

00:01:31.000 I know that you're real Jesus Christ and that you are within us and that you are guiding us and that you died for us and you rose again for us.

00:01:37.000 And there's something, Lord, that you're coming back.

00:01:39.000 You're doing something through all these things that are happening at the moment, whether it's disruption or strife across the world through the agriculture and these movements around migration.

00:01:46.000 Lord, show us how to keep your values of love and kindness in this conversation and in this fight, this spiritual war that I think we're all in.

00:01:53.000 Amen.

00:01:53.000 In your name we pray.

00:01:54.000 Amen.

00:01:56.000 Russell Brandt.

00:01:58.000 All right, mate.

00:01:59.000 I've got a million questions.

00:02:00.000 Go on.

00:02:01.000 A million questions.

00:02:03.000 Good to be here.

00:02:03.000 God bless you.

00:02:04.000 Yes, good to meet you in all.

00:02:05.000 I've watched your journey.

00:02:06.000 Ups, downs, highs, lows.

00:02:08.000 Obviously, now brought you to you're a devout Christian now.

00:02:12.000 So I want to get onto all of these things.

00:02:14.000 Obviously, AA as well.

00:02:15.000 I want to hear about all of this because I was a bit of an arsehole years ago when you were doing your, I used to mock you.

00:02:20.000 Not mock you for I used to say I used to wear him make comments about crackhead but I didn't know about I didn't know about rehabilitation, I didn't know about addiction.

00:02:20.000 Did you?

00:02:20.000 Yeah.

00:02:27.000 Yeah.

00:02:28.000 And then years on, I'm sitting thinking he's come through addiction, goes to meetings, great example to set to people.

00:02:34.000 But not back then.

00:02:35.000 So let's start at the beginning, Russell.

00:02:36.000 I just want to ask you lots of questions about who is Russell Brand?

00:02:40.000 Where does it start?

00:02:41.000 Where was you born?

00:02:42.000 I'm from Grays in Essex.

00:02:44.000 Gray's Kent.

00:02:45.000 Essex.

00:02:46.000 Grays is near like Basildon, Romford, all them.

00:02:48.000 Las Vegas most near.

00:02:48.000 Tilbury.

00:02:49.000 Yeah, Bas Vegas, all of that.

00:02:51.000 So that's where I'm from.

00:02:52.000 My family are a generation back, Ilford and Dagenham.

00:02:56.000 Before that, it's East London, all your steppanes in Bethnell Greens.

00:02:59.000 Before that, a little bit of Ireland and some other things.

00:03:01.000 So I'm like a typical Essex boy, really.

00:03:05.000 Me, when I was a little kid, I'm an only child of a single mum, grew up just with her.

00:03:10.000 Didn't really get on very well at school.

00:03:12.000 Was a kind of unusual little kid.

00:03:16.000 Was you a chubby kid?

00:03:16.000 Yeah.

00:03:17.000 I've heard you say that, yeah.

00:03:18.000 I was a chubby little boy, weren't good at sport.

00:03:20.000 You were a little fat.

00:03:21.000 Huh?

00:03:22.000 I'm trying to envisage you as a fact.

00:03:24.000 I was a tubby little kid.

00:03:25.000 Well, if you think about like, this will help you.

00:03:27.000 I did Bugsy Malone when I was a kid, like the school play at Gray's School where I went.

00:03:32.000 And Bugsy Malone has a character called Fat Sam in it.

00:03:36.000 And that's the character that I played.

00:03:37.000 That was the first bit of acting I ever done.

00:03:39.000 And that was the first time I thought there's something I'm good at.

00:03:43.000 There's something I'm good at.

00:03:44.000 How old were you?

00:03:45.000 15.

00:03:46.000 You didn't start okay, so you started acting at 15.

00:03:48.000 Yeah.

00:03:49.000 And then you found you enjoyed it.

00:03:51.000 Before that, the only thing I thought I would have been good at, I don't know, man.

00:03:55.000 I was a lost little boy.

00:03:56.000 I was a lost little boy.

00:03:57.000 Popular.

00:03:58.000 Did you get bullied?

00:03:59.000 A little bit, a little bit, but I was mouthy.

00:04:01.000 I had a lot of chat, a lot of lip.

00:04:03.000 But like, as I say, I'm not good at football.

00:04:05.000 I wasn't good at football as a little boy, and I wasn't good at fighting.

00:04:09.000 I was a bit like lost in the world, Tommy, tell you the truth.

00:04:12.000 I didn't feel like I fitted in.

00:04:14.000 And one of the things that's been very interesting, I suppose, is re-embracing who I am and where I'm from.

00:04:19.000 When I was from there, and when I was actually there, you know, like my stepdad works at Celcon, like a brick factory, doing nights in there.

00:04:28.000 My mum's like a secretary.

00:04:29.000 My dad, who like I didn't grow up with, but he's a like a self-made man from Dagenham.

00:04:34.000 Sometimes would be flush, sometimes would be broke.

00:04:37.000 I was part of, I'm from a similar world to you.

00:04:40.000 Grays, Luton, these places, these towns of the south, your Reddings, your Iwickams, your Sloughs, these nowhere places, you know?

00:04:49.000 They're not Manchester, they're not Newcastle, they're not London, they're not Glasgow, they're not Dublin, Belfast, all the cities of our islands have strong identities.

00:04:58.000 All them little suburban places, it can be a bit lost, a little bit broken.

00:05:03.000 Now, I think there's something very particular about Bedfordshire and Luton.

00:05:05.000 I think there is, Luton's got a strong identity.

00:05:07.000 Right, from the football and then from the clash.

00:05:10.000 I used to think, yeah, I used to look and think Luton's different to everywhere.

00:05:13.000 Yeah, I gather that because there's a few people.

00:05:15.000 I know some people that are from there and they're all pretty interesting people that seem to be carrying some conflict or whatever.

00:05:22.000 But what I was saying about these places, like Essex kind of came alive if you think about it, around the time I started getting famous, it weren't long after that that there were shows like The Only Way is Essex and like the idea of like birds and the Essex girl and Essex boy and there was a bit of an identity about it, you know, like a bit of sort of glamour and flashness.

00:05:39.000 But it's all really what was once called the white flight out of East London.

00:05:43.000 That's what them people are, the people that work at Ford's in Dagenham, the people that work in the docks around Tilbury, all the people that are like as urbanisation increases and as populations change, the tendency, ain't it, generally speaking, is for the white working class to sort of move outward.

00:05:59.000 And I'm the product of that time and of that movement.

00:06:02.000 Like, just to give you sort of like, you know, you've already said, you've already said in your intro what you thought about me, and I can understand it, because why wouldn't me and you see ourselves on different sides of the same coin, even though we're from places so similar, with concerns so aligned?

00:06:15.000 The differences are arbitrary.

00:06:17.000 I've probably got bigger arguments with my wife than I would have about you with certain political issues.

00:06:22.000 What I always thought was, this is interesting.

00:06:25.000 This person is garnering a lot of attention.

00:06:27.000 I also reckoned right early on that there was something very interesting about football culture around the time that football culture started getting a lot annihilated and dismantled around, like the introduction of sky raising of ticket prices, getting rid of standing seats after Hillsborough, and they got rid of football fans.

00:06:46.000 Well, they're sort of like they've took it away from football fans.

00:06:48.000 It's now all corporate.

00:06:49.000 Well, not the lower leagues.

00:06:49.000 Yeah, lots of people.

00:06:50.000 See, I love the lower leagues.

00:06:51.000 I've got up in some Premier League games and I sit and think I don't know if anyone actually here supports this team.

00:06:56.000 Yeah, most of them.

00:06:57.000 They're on business days out or corporate days out.

00:06:59.000 Where's the average fan?

00:06:59.000 Well, the average fan can't afford to go in Premier League, whereas you go to Luton, everyone's here for Luton, everyone's looting mad.

00:07:04.000 We go to lower league clubs, everyone's mad for their identity, that club, but not in the Premier League.

00:07:09.000 But okay, so you left you.

00:07:10.000 What did you when you left school at 15?

00:07:12.000 Did you get good grades?

00:07:13.000 No, none no.

00:07:15.000 What did you do at 15 16, when you left 15 16?

00:07:18.000 I went to a stage school for a year Italia, Conte.

00:07:21.000 I started doing, I started doing extra work on like things that you might have heard of, like the bill or whatever, and then, but I was starting to get addicted to drugs around that time 16 yeah, a little bit, just at first, just like weed and like recreational drugs that probably most people my age, where I'm from, would be taking.

00:07:39.000 But the thing is, if you're an addict, the way that you're using them is different.

00:07:42.000 In fact, I strongly believe now Tommy, that it's a.

00:07:45.000 In fact, I know that it's a spiritual condition, people to get addicted to drugs.

00:07:48.000 They're trying to solve something, they're trying to heal something inside themselves.

00:07:52.000 At the same time, on one hand, I was desperately trying to become like somebody, have an identity, be famous, mean something, and on the other hand, I had this calling this deep calling, like there's something beyond all this.

00:08:03.000 There's something more meaningful than this.

00:08:05.000 Once I got, it was years later that I got off drugs, years and years and years later, and by that I was 27.

00:08:12.000 So from 16, okay.

00:08:13.000 Yeah.

00:08:14.000 When you started using drugs, how bad was it?

00:08:16.000 Not that bad at first, but even though it was...

00:08:19.000 Did it start off...

00:08:20.000 Because most people start off and it's alright.

00:08:23.000 And at some point it becomes unsociable.

00:08:25.000 At some point it becomes the big addiction.

00:08:27.000 At some point it starts causing problems in the life.

00:08:29.000 How many years was it normal for like recreational drugs and then when did it become problematic?

00:08:34.000 The thing was is even when it was recreational drugs it was being done in a way that was unhealthy.

00:08:39.000 Like I liked to be on my own smoking weed or on my own drinking or I would drink before I spoke to anybody.

00:08:44.000 It was never like a laugh.

00:08:46.000 My mates were like sociable and party folk but for me it was always this is I'm doing something to remedy some loss, some emptiness, some sadness.

00:08:57.000 But the thing is is you can get away with it a bit with weed and booze so they can get into a lot of trouble with alcohol.

00:09:02.000 It's a nasty, nasty drug I think alcohol.

00:09:05.000 But by the time I was like started with brown and white with the crack and the smack with the heroin and the crack, by the time that that was what I was doing, the wheels come off fast.

00:09:15.000 In a way it's a blessing because you won't be able to do that for very long.

00:09:18.000 It tears you apart very, very quickly.

00:09:20.000 And once I did that, enough people knew that I was good at the performing, the stand-up comedy and all of that.

00:09:26.000 So by that time I had some support and those people I have to acknowledge really helped me.

00:09:31.000 Like John Noel was like a normal bloke from Manchester who managed me at that time.

00:09:35.000 He was the first person that put me like an only person that's had to put me into a treatment center for drugs and alcohol.

00:09:41.000 I got clean then and I've not drunk or used since then.

00:09:43.000 What from one treatment center?

00:09:44.000 So you went for the first time you went to a treatment center you got clean?

00:09:47.000 That's right.

00:09:48.000 28 days?

00:09:50.000 90 odd.

00:09:51.000 You've done 90 days in a treatment center.

00:09:52.000 I've done 90 odd in there and it was a place called Focus 12 up in Bury St Edmunds up in Suffolk.

00:09:58.000 But the thing they teach you is you've got to be in the 12 steps for the rest of your life.

00:10:02.000 Even though this is just a three month period, you now can never drink again or take drugs one day at a time for the rest of your life.

00:10:09.000 And in order to do that, you will need to regularly attend 12-step support groups and you will have to investigate what's caused you to be like this in the first place.

00:10:17.000 What is this brokenness in you?

00:10:18.000 What are you looking for?

00:10:20.000 They give you that kit.

00:10:21.000 For people who don't understand the 12 steps, you go to a treatment centre, you write out all your resentments, everything that's upset you, basically you're trying to break you down to get to the bottom of the root cause of why you're, would you call it self-harm?

00:10:35.000 When you were taking drugs, would you call it a form of self-harm?

00:10:37.000 I would.

00:10:37.000 I'd call it more than that, almost an incremental suicide, like suicide by installments.

00:10:42.000 It's like you would kill yourself.

00:10:43.000 You've had enough.

00:10:45.000 It's like you've had enough.

00:10:46.000 Kind of, mate, yeah.

00:10:47.000 But you don't do the inventory when you're in a treatment centre.

00:10:49.000 The 12 steps, the first step is admit you've got a problem.

00:10:52.000 Like if you've got a problem with alcohol, i.e. it's causing you legal, medical or relationship problems or it's preventing you working, that's a problem.

00:11:00.000 A lot of people won't admit it though.

00:11:02.000 They'll lie about it.

00:11:02.000 I'm okay.

00:11:03.000 I can handle it.

00:11:03.000 The second step, if you're willing to admit, yeah, this is a problem.

00:11:06.000 I'm out of control of this and it is causing problems in my relationships in my life.

00:11:09.000 That's step one.

00:11:10.000 you're willing to admit that.

00:11:11.000 Normally the way we get people to do that is go give us examples of dangerous situations you've put yourself in as a result of alcohol.

00:11:18.000 Give us five examples and five examples where you've been in chaotic situations.

00:11:22.000 Once someone will tell you that they've anchored their alcohol and drug use in serious situations like I got arrested and that never would have happened if I'd not been drinking.

00:11:30.000 I had this row with my missus.

00:11:31.000 I lost this job.

00:11:32.000 Those kind of examples.

00:11:33.000 It might not even be as serious as those things, but you know, those kind of examples really help.

00:11:37.000 Step two is came to believe that a power greater than yourself could restore your sanity.

00:11:42.000 That amounts to hope.

00:11:43.000 That's the first time you meet people that have got worse drug problems and worse alcohol problems than you, but they're clean now and they don't drink no more.

00:11:51.000 And like one of the first people I met, he like in this situation, he'd been in jail for armed robbery.

00:11:55.000 He was a much worse drug addict than me.

00:11:57.000 He'd had much worse consequences than me and he didn't use no more.

00:12:00.000 And that's when I thought, oh, it's possible to change.

00:12:02.000 And then the third step is you have to hand your life over.

00:12:05.000 You make a decision to turn your will and your life over to the care of God as you understand God.

00:12:08.000 Sounds pretty religious, that, don't it?

00:12:10.000 They take the word God out of it, though.

00:12:11.000 Sometimes they do.

00:12:12.000 They say higher power and they say a God of your understanding.

00:12:16.000 Whoever you choose to believe.

00:12:17.000 That's what I went.

00:12:18.000 I went to a 28-day rehab.

00:12:20.000 But when I went to a break.

00:12:22.000 I'll be honest, when I went for a break, I just lost my court case where they bankrupted me, which was the film I made, Silence.

00:12:28.000 My divorce had gone through, start of COVID.

00:12:30.000 I'd come out.

00:12:31.000 I was in a terrible place.

00:12:32.000 I was nosediving.

00:12:34.000 I felt broken.

00:12:35.000 Was you drinking a lot, though?

00:12:36.000 Yeah, I was drinking a lot.

00:12:37.000 I was drinking a lot, but I wasn't drinking every day.

00:12:39.000 But I'd go a week without drink, two weeks without drink, and then I'd go bang.

00:12:42.000 And then I'd be drinking for a couple of days.

00:12:44.000 So I was trying to, I was in a bad place, but I'd never spoke about any of the problems or fears I had.

00:12:49.000 I'd come out of solitary confinement, I was diagnosed with PTSD, I had all these things going on.

00:12:54.000 And when I went to a rehab, I went, my family said, look, you just need to, you need to get your head straight.

00:12:58.000 So I thought, I need a break.

00:13:00.000 So I went there for a break, and then I sat around a room with 30 people, 20 people, however many it was.

00:13:05.000 And I'm listening to them all talk.

00:13:07.000 And when they said, why are you there?

00:13:08.000 I said, I'm just here for a break, man.

00:13:09.000 Because they take your phone.

00:13:11.000 I said, I need to sort my head out.

00:13:12.000 But I didn't think I was an addict.

00:13:15.000 I hadn't admitted I was an addict.

00:13:16.000 And as I'm sitting listening to what people were saying, I'm thinking, fuck, I do.

00:13:20.000 I do that.

00:13:21.000 She says, yeah, I've done that.

00:13:22.000 Yeah, my mum said that.

00:13:23.000 Yeah, I've affected my family like that.

00:13:25.000 And as I'm looking, and they say, look for things, because I would always look down my nose upon crackheads, junkies, heroin addicts.

00:13:32.000 I used to think they're scum.

00:13:34.000 And then they say, look for things you have in common, not things you have different.

00:13:37.000 And as I'm sitting there, and then I think I found out more about myself in that 28 days.

00:13:42.000 Because you have to, they break.

00:13:43.000 And do you know what they said?

00:13:44.000 What was fascinating for me?

00:13:45.000 I found it amazing experience in the sense that you have to go there and they ask you what your problems are and how much do you drink and what do you do.

00:13:54.000 And then I used to watch them and I thought the psychiatrist, whatever I want to call him, the counsellor, I thought he was an arsehole.

00:14:01.000 Scottish fella.

00:14:02.000 Really strong, but you could relate with him, tough man.

00:14:05.000 And then as I listened to him, they'd bring this out and then you'd sit there and you'd say, yeah, this is what I do and this is the problems I've caused.

00:14:12.000 And then he'd say, no, it's fucking not.

00:14:14.000 And they'd say, wait there.

00:14:15.000 And they'd come in with a letter from the wife.

00:14:17.000 Yeah.

00:14:18.000 And they'd say, you beat your missus up.

00:14:20.000 You do this.

00:14:21.000 And you're sitting there, 20 people.

00:14:22.000 I'm like, oh, fuck.

00:14:23.000 Oh, fuck.

00:14:24.000 So if you lied, they had letters from all of your family that would tell the truth about the effect of what your addiction is doing.

00:14:32.000 And I sat and thought when he's doing that, I thought, oh, you're an arsehole, man.

00:14:35.000 And people, the men are crying and the man stormed off.

00:14:38.000 Some people didn't take it.

00:14:38.000 And as they're walking off, he'd say, you're going, fuck off.

00:14:40.000 Because it's not, we don't, it's not me that needs help.

00:14:43.000 You need to sort your shit out.

00:14:44.000 It's you that needs to break.

00:14:45.000 So I watched as they broke people.

00:14:47.000 And in this period, I found it fascinating seeing the whole thing.

00:14:50.000 And people who you'd see on the fur and realizing that some of these people, top business people, top jobs, successful, but behind closed doors when you hear what they're doing, you realise that, fuck, I'm a bit mental, but everyone's mental.

00:15:03.000 And everyone's got these problems.

00:15:04.000 So I watched all of that.

00:15:05.000 And that's why I think in Addiction Later, I think I said some really unsavory things about you when you were clean.

00:15:11.000 And when you were in the 12 steps, I used to always refer to you as a crackhead.

00:15:15.000 Or that's why I used to just, when I was trying to belittle you, because I think you was on the other side of politics at the time when we were demonstrating.

00:15:20.000 So I'd always make comments.

00:15:22.000 But yeah, I found the 12 steps that you're right.

00:15:25.000 You have to go for the rest of your life because that's why at times you nosedive anyone who, anyone who falls off the wagon is because they're not following the 12 steps.

00:15:32.000 I always respected you.

00:15:33.000 I respect anyone that's willing to go to jail for what they believe in and to die for what they believe in.

00:15:40.000 And I know that you would and you know that you might die for what you believe in.

00:15:44.000 That's the most important thing a man can do.

00:15:47.000 What I've always thought, Tommy, is that because of, in matter of fact, now we're talking about recovery, because I think you've probably taken a lot of injuries in your life as a young man that I would put down to not receiving the love that you deserved as a child of God, that that anger and hate finds its way into your political perspective.

00:16:09.000 I think you're right about a lot of things.

00:16:11.000 And I think the world of British politics in particular needs you.

00:16:15.000 But I think my prayer is that we find the version of you that has the compassion that's required of the type of leadership that you might be gifted with.

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00:17:58.000 Yeah.

00:17:59.000 I don't think any of it's out of hate.

00:18:01.000 Obviously, I'll get angry on issues, but I think most of the what it would be impossible to do what we do out of hate.

00:18:07.000 You just couldn't do it out of hate.

00:18:08.000 I'll do it out of anger then.

00:18:09.000 Anger, anger, but I do most of my things out of love.

00:18:11.000 I love my kids.

00:18:12.000 I love my town.

00:18:12.000 I love my country.

00:18:14.000 I love all of it.

00:18:15.000 And it's in danger.

00:18:16.000 That's it.

00:18:16.000 And we must stop it.

00:18:17.000 So it's born out of love.

00:18:19.000 It's hard.

00:18:20.000 It's hard when you're clashing.

00:18:21.000 Say you're clashing, which we did very early on.

00:18:23.000 Early on, it was the set, the scene was set.

00:18:26.000 We were young Englishmen.

00:18:27.000 We're going into towns and cities.

00:18:28.000 Young Muslim men are coming out.

00:18:29.000 It's understandable.

00:18:30.000 Groups are clashing.

00:18:32.000 It's pretty hard not to have that mentality on demonstration day where you're under attack and then you feel constantly under attack.

00:18:38.000 I feel constantly under attack.

00:18:40.000 I don't hear actually.

00:18:41.000 I think actually I feel here.

00:18:42.000 John says I've been here.

00:18:43.000 I feel like a different person.

00:18:45.000 It's insane.

00:18:46.000 I'm sitting thinking, I'm always thinking negatively back home.

00:18:50.000 All the time.

00:18:50.000 Yeah.

00:18:50.000 Which at times drives me like that.

00:18:53.000 And it drives me like that.

00:18:55.000 And the other thing, I'd never spoke about my issues.

00:18:57.000 And I used to view someone who speaks about their issues as a wanker.

00:19:00.000 Yeah, it's weak.

00:19:01.000 I used to think it's weak.

00:19:01.000 I know what you mean.

00:19:02.000 So I used to think, and I used to say to my son, but men don't cry.

00:19:05.000 What are you doing?

00:19:06.000 We don't cry.

00:19:07.000 We're tough.

00:19:07.000 Men are tough.

00:19:08.000 You fight.

00:19:09.000 You do this.

00:19:10.000 And then when I went to that thing, I thought, I don't want to talk about this shit.

00:19:13.000 And I'm looking at everyone talking.

00:19:15.000 And now I got a bit engrossed in the whole psychology of it as I was watching and understanding as I sat and didn't talk for the first few and I watched what was going on in the meetings.

00:19:23.000 And I watched them break people down, but they broke them down to build them back up.

00:19:27.000 So I watched it all.

00:19:28.000 And then when I tried to talk, so I thought, right, because you have to address your fears, what's your fears?

00:19:34.000 And they say on the first day, write 10 positive things about yourself.

00:19:37.000 Oh, my God.

00:19:37.000 I couldn't write one.

00:19:38.000 Not at the time.

00:19:39.000 Because I felt like I'd put my family through so much.

00:19:41.000 I felt like I was in this.

00:19:42.000 I thought, fucking hell, man.

00:19:44.000 And then I'm drinking.

00:19:45.000 This is a youngster.

00:19:45.000 I'm fighting.

00:19:46.000 I thought, my life's immoral.

00:19:48.000 It's been immoral.

00:19:49.000 But by the end of it, I thought, no, I'm a good man.

00:19:52.000 I'm a good father.

00:19:53.000 I'm blessed.

00:19:54.000 I'm this.

00:19:54.000 I'm that.

00:19:55.000 By the end of it, you're coming out looking at things and they tell you to write 10 positive things about yourself a day, things you love.

00:20:01.000 But yeah, I went through, I watched all sorts of, and when I tried to talk, I couldn't talk.

00:20:05.000 I broke down.

00:20:06.000 What happened?

00:20:06.000 What the fuck's happening?

00:20:07.000 What happened when they went, the thing that you said about being confronted with letters from your loved ones?

00:20:13.000 What happened when that happened to you?

00:20:14.000 Yeah, mine was about I'd caused upset or worry or fear to the family.

00:20:20.000 It wasn't that they couldn't deal with, we lived under a lot of threat.

00:20:24.000 My ex-wife, it was that I'd be missing for two days out with a lad to turn my phone off, which I thought was normal.

00:20:24.000 Yeah.

00:20:30.000 Do you know why I thought it was normal?

00:20:31.000 Because all the lads do it.

00:20:32.000 I was thinking, fuck off, what are you talking about?

00:20:33.000 But then, and then looking on and evaluating it and thinking how unfair it is.

00:20:37.000 And you think about all of that.

00:20:39.000 And then you have the letters and worries and fears.

00:20:41.000 And then the personality, you go out and you drink and party for two, three days.

00:20:46.000 You're not right for a week.

00:20:47.000 So then by the time you're right again, you do it again.

00:20:50.000 And I was in a period of that.

00:20:52.000 I was in a period of thinking that's normal.

00:20:55.000 And I guess my thing was, whether it's escapism, I think when I drink and party like that, I'm not thinking about all the other shit.

00:21:04.000 So I'm sort of like, my phone goes off.

00:21:06.000 I don't care.

00:21:07.000 I'm not worrying about all that.

00:21:09.000 I'm just lost for a couple of days.

00:21:11.000 And then when it comes to coming around or getting back to life, then it's even worse.

00:21:18.000 And I'd never found the gym.

00:21:20.000 At this time, so when I come out of rehab, I come out of rehabilitation after 28 days and I went abroad to a martial arts camp and I spent three, I went, I went for three weeks.

00:21:29.000 I stayed for three months and I found fitness and I found health and I found that if I trained and I still find that now, if I train, I can face the day.

00:21:38.000 If I go four or five days without physical exercise, the clouds start coming over and I start all the panic.

00:21:44.000 I have a lot of worry anyway.

00:21:46.000 I've had a lot of worry and then I sort of look at what I've done to my kids, my family.

00:21:49.000 I start look at all these things.

00:21:50.000 So I'm talking too much about myself.

00:21:51.000 I'm here to interview you.

00:21:53.000 So I had all that.

00:21:54.000 But getting back to yourself, sorry.

00:21:57.000 I think it's good for us to have this conversation because I feel, I was watching you then, I'm listening to you.

00:22:03.000 I've watched you for a long time.

00:22:05.000 And I feel sometimes that there's obviously a kind of greatness in you.

00:22:11.000 And I don't want to try.

00:22:13.000 I don't, no one can tell you nothing about yourself.

00:22:15.000 You've lived your life.

00:22:16.000 You know yourself.

00:22:17.000 But I feel like that if we could make the adjustment, the people that care about our country, that care about the UK, that care about dismantling, disrupting and ultimately overturning and kicking out the elites that are in control of our country, if we could find ways among ourselves of aligning, they are in serious trouble.

00:22:37.000 And if we are in any way fighting one another, they can continue to dominate and govern us.

00:22:43.000 And when I see that, I think you're alcoholic.

00:22:46.000 I think you should not drink.

00:22:47.000 No, I shouldn't.

00:22:48.000 No.

00:22:48.000 No, no, no, I come out.

00:22:50.000 I know that.

00:22:51.000 It turns me into a different person and it has no possibility.

00:22:53.000 So do you drink now?

00:22:55.000 No, I don't know, but that's not to say about the other stuff.

00:22:57.000 No, I don't smoke.

00:22:58.000 I've never smoked them.

00:22:59.000 No, I never smoked.

00:23:00.000 But I would say, like, I never drunk to enjoy myself.

00:23:03.000 It's a very different sort of thing.

00:23:05.000 I drink to blackout.

00:23:06.000 So I never, it's not enjoyable for me.

00:23:08.000 I'm quite sociable anyway.

00:23:10.000 I prefer Dr. Pepper.

00:23:12.000 I prefer that.

00:23:13.000 My drinks, I like a lot of people.

00:23:14.000 There's plenty more where that comes from, Tommy.

00:23:17.000 And if I had one now, if I had one now, we luckily turned it down.

00:23:17.000 We can look after that.

00:23:21.000 We got an invite to a top club.

00:23:22.000 But a VIP, free everything when we was just where we were.

00:23:25.000 Had an invite, come along.

00:23:26.000 I was close, man.

00:23:27.000 I was close.

00:23:28.000 But then I just said, look, I know myself.

00:23:30.000 And the insanity of addiction is that you tell yourself it's going to be different this time.

00:23:35.000 But I know if I went to a club, the next day and the next day, they're gone.

00:23:40.000 No, I can't do it.

00:23:41.000 Like, I just can't.

00:23:42.000 I know that.

00:23:43.000 So I managed not to.

00:23:44.000 But I don't always manage not to.

00:23:45.000 So I'm not going to say, have you been clean since you were 27 years old without an alcoholic?

00:23:48.000 Yeah.

00:23:49.000 Yeah, that's great.

00:23:49.000 You're good.

00:23:50.000 And you still go to meetings now?

00:23:52.000 Yeah.

00:23:52.000 I went to one today.

00:23:53.000 I went to one this morning.

00:23:54.000 Step one.

00:23:54.000 How often do you go to meetings?

00:23:56.000 I try, I need probably four a week.

00:23:58.000 Sometimes I get to three because I need to know that other people feel the same way that I feel, that what I feel is not that important.

00:24:07.000 I need to know that God is paramount in my life.

00:24:10.000 I have to have a regular refreshing.

00:24:13.000 Like, see you, what I reckon, mate, is that you're somewhat self-sustaining.

00:24:17.000 Like, you know, if I keep myself fit, if I do this, if I do that.

00:24:19.000 Now you're trying to find another solution to.

00:24:21.000 Where are you going for sort of compassion?

00:24:23.000 Where are you going for connection?

00:24:24.000 Who is it that you're talking to that's letting you know that you're okay and that you're loved?

00:24:28.000 Step one, admit we've got a problem.

00:24:30.000 Step two, it's possible for it to improve.

00:24:32.000 Step three, I can't do this no more.

00:24:34.000 I need help.

00:24:35.000 Now, see, even after I've been doing that all them years, Tommy, I like, the truth is, I slept around too much.

00:24:41.000 I was very, very promiscuous.

00:24:42.000 And when I was famous, women were attracted to me and I took the piss.

00:24:45.000 I want to get on to that.

00:24:46.000 Yeah, fair enough.

00:24:47.000 Tell me, what was it like going from a 15-year-old fat kid to women throwing themselves at you?

00:24:51.000 It's unbelievable.

00:24:52.000 You know, in Willie Wonker and a chocolate factory, Augustus Gloop, when he gets in that chocolate river, I'm like him.

00:24:58.000 Like, suddenly you're in the chocolate factory and you've got access to endless candy and chocolate, although it's not candy and chocolate.

00:25:05.000 There's some disgusting jokes I could do, but I'm in the edit, Tommy.

00:25:08.000 I'm in the edit and I don't want to make them jokes, mate.

00:25:10.000 So what is a very, very strange thing to go from feelings of weakness and ugliness to feelings of attractiveness.

00:25:18.000 Those are like, that's a pretty extreme thing.

00:25:20.000 Home at lows, almost highs.

00:25:21.000 Do you think during the addiction you was using women as?

00:25:24.000 Yes.

00:25:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:25:25.000 It was exploitative.

00:25:26.000 It was definitely the thing is, the truth is, it was wrong.

00:25:29.000 It ain't rape or sexual assault, but it's wrong.

00:25:32.000 You was always quite open and honest.

00:25:34.000 About you.

00:25:34.000 Yeah.

00:25:36.000 It's all in the shows.

00:25:37.000 It's all in the stand-up shows.

00:25:38.000 Like at the end of the shows, mate, I was going like, if you, you might think, oh, Russell Brandy's so attractive and he's a big star.

00:25:44.000 If only I was good enough to have sex with him.

00:25:45.000 Give it, go.

00:25:46.000 You probably are.

00:25:46.000 Come backstage.

00:25:47.000 Anyone aged between 18 and death, give it a whirl.

00:25:50.000 I was just saying that at the end of the shows.

00:25:51.000 It's not for an autograph though, unless you want that autograph on the wall of your uterus in sperm.

00:25:55.000 Like, man, the gear was pretty clear.

00:25:58.000 Was you just saying that or was you participating in that?

00:26:00.000 Was you taking girls, if you see a girl you like, was you...

00:26:02.000 Yeah, do you want to come backstage?

00:26:03.000 You up for it?

00:26:04.000 What are you saying, love?

00:26:05.000 That's why I lived.

00:26:07.000 Now, look, me, as a 50-year-old man, father of three, that's not a good way to live.

00:26:12.000 My job is to protect women, to love women, and with men, to let them know that it's okay to be who they are and to be vulnerable and that you are loved.

00:26:19.000 That's my job here.

00:26:20.000 My job's not, I'm important, adore me.

00:26:22.000 So you was right to say I was a dick because when you were saying I was, that is what I was.

00:26:26.000 I was self-aggrandising, self-consumed person, living on the culture, living on the sugar and sweets of the culture like an imbecile.

00:26:34.000 And that's when I was fine.

00:26:35.000 That's when they're willing to pay you.

00:26:36.000 The minute you stop and start going, what's going on with Moderna?

00:26:38.000 What's going on with Pfizer?

00:26:39.000 What's going on with all these wars?

00:26:40.000 I remembered where I'm from.

00:26:42.000 I remembered who I am.

00:26:43.000 And when that happens, they're not interested no more.

00:26:47.000 Okay, I want to rewind.

00:26:48.000 16, you go, you start doing acting, you start becoming successful.

00:26:52.000 It took a while, mate.

00:26:53.000 Did it?

00:26:54.000 Tell me, tell me how much work it took.

00:26:56.000 A lot.

00:26:57.000 And one of the hard things is...

00:26:58.000 And especially if you're on drugs during this period...

00:27:00.000 See, between 16 and 27, I'd get occasional breaks, but I'd mess everything up because I was on drugs.

00:27:04.000 So I'd get into drama schools.

00:27:07.000 Charities would pay me.

00:27:09.000 I did really well.

00:27:10.000 Got a grant off Essex Council to go to drama school.

00:27:12.000 They only give three of them out a year across all of the arts, painters, actors, the works, three a year.

00:27:17.000 I got one of them.

00:27:17.000 It's one of the things I was most proud of near the beginning.

00:27:20.000 But then I was on it the old time.

00:27:22.000 So I got thrown out of that place and I couldn't behave myself.

00:27:25.000 I was a troublemaker, self-harming, punching windows, being an idiot, getting arrested, stealing things, drunk all the time.

00:27:30.000 I was a lunatic.

00:27:31.000 There was two competing drives in me.

00:27:33.000 The drive, I consider it to be the drive for God or greatness.

00:27:35.000 You can see it the same thing in a way because all greatness surely belongs to him.

00:27:39.000 And then the other side of things was selfishness, stupidity, being a bloody idiot.

00:27:43.000 So I got thrown out of that drama school, got thrown out of everywhere.

00:27:45.000 I got thrown out of England.

00:27:46.000 I got thrown out of Hollywood.

00:27:47.000 I'm always getting thrown out of places.

00:27:48.000 That's my pattern, mate.

00:27:50.000 So, but when I stopped, when I stopped using, well, a little bit.

00:27:55.000 When I got thrown out of, when at 27, I got kicked out of that.

00:27:58.000 When I got thrown out of drama school when I was about 22, even though they'd been like, oh, this kid's good, you know what I mean?

00:28:03.000 They was backing me.

00:28:04.000 They were really, they were lovely to me, actually, those people at Drama Centre.

00:28:07.000 When I stopped using at 27 because I met someone that was strong enough in the form of John Noel to tell me you need to sort yourself out, he was like really a father figure.

00:28:18.000 And then in Chip Summers, who was a person that had lived abstinent for a while, he had about 15, 16 years and ran the treatment centre that I ended up going to.

00:28:25.000 He's a person that said, if you carry on like you are, you're going to be dead in six months' time.

00:28:29.000 Did he become your sponsor?

00:28:30.000 He did, actually, yeah.

00:28:31.000 Yeah, he did.

00:28:32.000 So people understand when you go into a rehab centre or you do the 12 steps, you need to find a sponsor.

00:28:32.000 He did.

00:28:36.000 A sponsor is usually someone who's lived that exact life.

00:28:39.000 So they understand they've been an addict, they've done the mad stuff, they've been in the police cells, they've done it all, they've lived the chaotic life that you've lived, so they understand.

00:28:46.000 So you need someone like that that you can relate with.

00:28:48.000 You can't relate with most people.

00:28:50.000 Did your mum ask you to stop drugs?

00:28:52.000 Yeah.

00:28:52.000 Your missus asked you to stop drugs?

00:28:54.000 Everyone, I mean, you didn't stop drugs.

00:28:56.000 And then you end up in a rehab centre.

00:28:57.000 So that's when they say there's a power greater than you because all the people you dearly love haven't been able to make you stop.

00:29:03.000 Makes no difference.

00:29:04.000 You'd think you'd stop for your kids.

00:29:05.000 You'd think, I didn't have kids then.

00:29:06.000 I wasn't married then.

00:29:07.000 I was like, you know, when I was 27, I was, you know.

00:29:09.000 So had you made it at 27?

00:29:10.000 Had you made it?

00:29:11.000 At which point do you end up...

00:29:14.000 It was Big Brother, mate.

00:29:15.000 Like when I was like, that's what, like, when I'd done that, I'd done a show where you talk about Big Brother called Big Brother's Big Mouth.

00:29:21.000 So the main show of Big Brother would be on, then there'd be another show talking about Big Brother.

00:29:24.000 And then they got you on it.

00:29:25.000 That's your break.

00:29:26.000 That was funny.

00:29:26.000 Yeah.

00:29:27.000 And I was funny on that thing.

00:29:28.000 And like, and after that, like, I've been doing stand-up all that time.

00:29:31.000 So my stand-up went from doing shows in front of 50 people or 100 people.

00:29:34.000 Mate, this was one of the most amazing ones.

00:29:36.000 So that show, Big Brother's Big Mouth, was on, it became real popular.

00:29:39.000 And like comedians that I loved were into it.

00:29:42.000 Like comedians like Frank Skinner and Bob Mortimer and Jonathan Ross and all people I'd admired when I was a kid liked it and were like, oh, this kid's funny and stuff.

00:29:50.000 I was 30.

00:29:50.000 I'm really a kid.

00:29:51.000 Anyway, so like, um, but...

00:29:52.000 So you didn't make your break till you're 30?

00:29:53.000 30.

00:29:54.000 30, man.

00:29:55.000 Until 30, he was probably broke.

00:29:56.000 A lot of grafts, signing on, doing like stand-up above pubs, 50 quid here, 20 quid.

00:30:02.000 They just kept going, kept grinding.

00:30:03.000 I've got a grind in me, mate.

00:30:04.000 I don't give up easy.

00:30:05.000 I don't give up easy by God's grace.

00:30:07.000 Anyway, like then, after that, like, what was this was what was mental.

00:30:12.000 I went on, like, that big brother show started getting big.

00:30:14.000 I went on Jonathan Ross and like he interviewed me and I was funny on his talk show.

00:30:18.000 Like he used to have one on Saturday, Friday night or whatever on BBC.

00:30:21.000 What was it tonight with Jonathan Ross?

00:30:23.000 And then like, and then check this out.

00:30:23.000 That's the one.

00:30:26.000 Like, a friend of a friend ran goes, Kate Moss wants to go on a date with you.

00:30:31.000 Kate.

00:30:32.000 And I'm like, hello, this is all turning around.

00:30:34.000 Hi, hi.

00:30:34.000 Oh, Russ.

00:30:35.000 Oh, Russ.

00:30:36.000 And then this was an amazing moment in my life.

00:30:38.000 I was at Upton Park, West Anvy.

00:30:41.000 I can't remember the game.

00:30:42.000 You're a West Ham fan, yeah?

00:30:44.000 And I can't remember the game.

00:30:44.000 Yeah.

00:30:46.000 But like, Pete, I got recognized at Upton Park.

00:30:49.000 So a place that I'd been going since I was five years old and just be with my dad or be with my mates when I was a little bit older.

00:30:55.000 Suddenly, I was recognised there.

00:30:58.000 And that was a mad moment.

00:30:59.000 It seemed like it happened in one weekend.

00:31:01.000 Went on that, got that phone call from Kate Moss, went West Ham, everyone recognising me.

00:31:06.000 From that moment on, famous.

00:31:08.000 And there was a bit where it was brilliant.

00:31:11.000 A bit where it was brilliant for a little bit because suddenly you've got like lots and lots of women.

00:31:16.000 It's just sort of crazy.

00:31:17.000 It's unbelievable.

00:31:19.000 Because I don't know, that's what I thought we were meant to be doing.

00:31:21.000 I thought if you're like a young man, you're meant to be pulling birds.

00:31:24.000 That's what the culture's telling you.

00:31:26.000 And it went from normal life of, you know, having to chat women up and all that.

00:31:30.000 Sometimes you will, sometimes you won't, all of that, to just all of a sudden, the reverse polarity, they're coming at you.

00:31:36.000 It's just sort of unbelievable and brilliant and fantastic.

00:31:40.000 But it does, what happens as well when you experience that?

00:31:43.000 And I wonder what version of it you would have experienced in your way, in your life.

00:31:47.000 There's something missing from it.

00:31:49.000 cannot get what God wants us to have from this world.

00:31:53.000 You can't get it from drink, you can't get it from drugs, you can't get it from money, you can't get it from fame, can't get it from celebrity, can't get it from sex, can't get it from other people approving of you, can't get it from all the people that imagine on this trip or wherever you go in certain towns in London people going thank you Tommy like I see on my comments people that love you people that think you're fantastic but in the end it's not enough the only thing that really matters is God and sometimes when I think like when you're saying like You know that you're fighting for British people, you're fighting for your family, you're fighting for your towns and for the communities of Britain, I believe you.

00:32:20.000 I really, really believe you.

00:32:21.000 What are those towns about?

00:32:23.000 What is Britain?

00:32:24.000 If God isn't in there, if Britain isn't England's green and pleasant lands, if there isn't a sense that Christ and justice and dignity and humanity are present in our country, then what is Britain?

00:32:35.000 I know it's the football culture, is it the food?

00:32:37.000 What is Britain anymore?

00:32:39.000 Like, in addition to the aspect that you focus on, and I recognise we've all got our little part to play in what I consider to be the fight, you're very focused on the issue of migration and the Islamification of Britain, it seems to me, for watching from the outside, I know you'll correct me.

00:32:52.000 I know you ain't shy about doing stuff like that.

00:32:53.000 But like, there's other things as well I consider the kind of things that are coming out in these Epstein files that we know that like elite organisations, institutions, families and corporations have much more power than the ordinary people of Britain.

00:33:05.000 If the ordinary people of Britain vote one way, but the elites want you going another way, you are going the other way.

00:33:10.000 Don't matter if you vote for Kier Starmer of Labour or David Cameron of the Conservative Party or Tony Blair of Labour or maybe they choose who makes it, they choose it.

00:33:17.000 They choose who makes it.

00:33:18.000 And it seems to me from the outside that even like reform might be moving a little bit close to the centre, getting ready for reform and the Conservatives, the former coalition and Nigel Farrar coming in.

00:33:26.000 Next Prime Minister of Britain.

00:33:28.000 Who is it that is going to fight for the British people?

00:33:30.000 And how are they going to fight for the British people?

00:33:33.000 And how are we together going to overcome some of the challenges?

00:33:35.000 Like a significant number of Muslims live in Britain now and deserve to live there happily and safely.

00:33:42.000 When it comes to a subject like illegal immigration, the clue's in the question.

00:33:45.000 If it's illegal, then they, you know, that's illegal.

00:33:48.000 Don't have laws if you're not going to enforce them.

00:33:50.000 But when it comes to finding harmony, I feel like because you are the most prominent voice and significant figure in this area, we have to find a way of having that conversation in a way that gives people room and a way back.

00:34:02.000 Like, don't you want to be able to sort of walk past Finsbury Park Mosque or East London Mosque and be cool?

00:34:09.000 You'd be quite surprised.

00:34:10.000 I get not Muslims don't.

00:34:12.000 You'd be quite surprised.

00:34:13.000 Obviously, you get to see the little 60-second video when someone's wanting to hit me or fight me.

00:34:17.000 Yeah.

00:34:17.000 You'd be quite surprised by the reception I receive.

00:34:19.000 People respect you.

00:34:20.000 Yeah, you'd be surprised.

00:34:21.000 Maybe I see Muslims.

00:34:22.000 What?

00:34:23.000 Good.

00:34:23.000 Yeah, you'd be surprised.

00:34:24.000 Many people have some fascinating conversations.

00:34:26.000 Like I say, I don't hate Muslims, but I don't want Islam to take over my country.

00:34:29.000 I don't want the influence of it.

00:34:30.000 I don't want Sharia.

00:34:31.000 I don't want these problems.

00:34:32.000 So can I ask you, just rewinding a bit, before we get onto the whole Islamic issue?

00:34:36.000 Because I know you went to demonstrations on that side of the fence.

00:34:38.000 I was at one on this side of the fence.

00:34:40.000 So I want to get there.

00:34:41.000 Did you ever see yourself as part of the elite?

00:34:43.000 When you went to, say, for example, from outside in, from us, did a couple of questions.

00:34:48.000 When do you end up in Hollywood?

00:34:50.000 When does that happen?

00:34:51.000 When does Katie Perry happen?

00:34:51.000 It's a good story.

00:34:53.000 All these stories are happening.

00:34:53.000 Oh, it's a good story.

00:34:54.000 And how much did you get in a divorce with her?

00:34:56.000 Anyway, we're going to.

00:34:57.000 I've literally done a sniff on that.

00:34:59.000 That's why I picked it up.

00:35:00.000 Well, the women always take the money, so I hope you're going to go.

00:35:02.000 Let's go.

00:35:04.000 Well, I can tell you the answer to all them questions.

00:35:06.000 How I ended up in Hollywood is like I got a job on MTV.

00:35:09.000 My mate Gareth, God love him, he was producing a show on MTV where they wanted UK MTV to have a cool show on it.

00:35:17.000 And by that time, I was getting famous off the Big Brother thing.

00:35:19.000 And they went, Do you want to have a show One Leicester Square?

00:35:22.000 And all them big stars that come over from America, like, you know, big movie stars, Tom Cruise came on it, Christine Aganier, Aguilera, Britney Spears, all that mob.

00:35:31.000 They all came on, right?

00:35:32.000 Pink, people that were famous in them days, they all came on this show, One Leicester Square, right?

00:35:38.000 And on that show, big movie stars come.

00:35:41.000 One of them that came on was Adam Sandler.

00:35:43.000 And when Adam Sandler come on, yeah, he came on with his agent, and like his agent, obviously in the background, I'm chatting with Adam Sandler.

00:35:50.000 Normally, if you have like a big star on your show, you shut up and let them chat.

00:35:53.000 Not me, though.

00:35:54.000 I was mugging him off, chatting away, making loads of jokes.

00:35:57.000 Adam Sandler was laughing because Adam Sandler's cool.

00:35:59.000 He's a lovely, lovely person.

00:36:01.000 Right?

00:36:01.000 And afterwards, his agent goes to him, what do you think of that, Giza?

00:36:04.000 Like, half expecting that Adam Sandler.

00:36:06.000 I'm going, he's a cunt.

00:36:07.000 Like, and excuse my language, Adam Sandler goes, no, I liked him.

00:36:10.000 And this fellow, the agent, goes, let's get him over to Los Angeles.

00:36:12.000 So I got one of them amazing phone calls where it's like, oh, the Hollywood agent of Adam Sandler wants you to come to Los Angeles.

00:36:20.000 Like a few years before, I'm like signing on, I'm like doing gigs above pubs and all that.

00:36:25.000 Now I've glamoured myself up.

00:36:27.000 You're clean at this point.

00:36:28.000 You've done rehab?

00:36:29.000 Three years clean.

00:36:30.000 Can I ask you quickly?

00:36:31.000 You know, when you went to rehab and you come out and you found your high power, was it God then?

00:36:35.000 Because you're very religious now.

00:36:36.000 I knew God was real.

00:36:38.000 I knew God was real before.

00:36:39.000 I knew God for a true.

00:36:40.000 Have you ever took acid, Tommy?

00:36:41.000 No.

00:36:42.000 All right.

00:36:42.000 Well, that was too long of a pause.

00:36:44.000 So like, um.

00:36:48.000 Like, anyway, when I took.

00:36:50.000 My son sat there.

00:36:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:51.000 Have you done Ayoshka?

00:36:52.000 Have you done Ayoshka?

00:36:53.000 I haven't because I've not taken no drugs since I've been clean.

00:36:56.000 When I was a kid, I like just over the wreck, over the park, little blotters of acid, like everyone was doing.

00:37:01.000 When I took stuff like that, I knew even when I was a little boy, I knew God, yeah.

00:37:06.000 And not only sourcing, I don't mean hallucinations, I mean the cracking apart of the self, like the feeling that who you think you are can be regarded as some memories, projections, and fears, that you can kind of change it.

00:37:18.000 It's not permanent.

00:37:19.000 That like Christ is born again, we are born again.

00:37:23.000 We are changeable.

00:37:24.000 Like the original man, Adam, the man made from dirt, eventually becomes the man made of spirit, Christ Jesus, fully embodied, fully man, but fully spirit, fully God.

00:37:34.000 This journey shows us what we are able to do and supposed to do.

00:37:38.000 Now, I never put it in Christian terms before because I thought Christianity was about shutting people up and controlling people, nonsera down the Vatican and bullshit with the Anglicans.

00:37:48.000 I never thought it was very interesting.

00:37:50.000 I thought it was about conditioning, Tommy, right?

00:37:53.000 But when I was tripping in that and smoking loads of weed, the kind of experiences I was having is there are other layers of reality.

00:37:59.000 There are other dimensions to reality.

00:38:01.000 There's a deeper truth that we're not being shown.

00:38:03.000 So when I got clean from drugs, and it talks about having a higher power, I was recognizing, yeah, who did create, you know, like all the kind of questions everyone asks themselves: who did create the universe, even if you believe in the Big Bang, what happened on the Tuesday before the Big Bang.

00:38:16.000 All those things started to become very relevant to me when I came off drugs.

00:38:19.000 Now, it's okay to have the idea of a God, but you've got to recognize too, and you need to know that that God loves you.

00:38:24.000 It's not enough to just know there is some God, but he don't care what happens to Tommy or Russell or any of us.

00:38:28.000 That's no bloody use to me.

00:38:30.000 That's no use to me.

00:38:31.000 I can't cling on just for that.

00:38:33.000 And I think drug addicts are very, very spiritual people.

00:38:35.000 I think they're people with a calling.

00:38:37.000 If you're willing to die for what you believe in, by definition, you know there's something bigger than yourself.

00:38:43.000 That's why everyone in the world on some level recognizes the beauty of that position.

00:38:48.000 People that are willing to suffer for what they believe in, even if they're on the other side of the camp from you.

00:38:53.000 One side might be the IRA, other side might be the British squaddy.

00:38:56.000 Both of them are willing to fight and die for what they believe in.

00:38:58.000 There's got to be some kind of mutual respect there.

00:39:00.000 On one side, you've got the people in Gaza, Hamas, or whatever.

00:39:04.000 On the other side, you've got the IDF.

00:39:05.000 Both of them are willing to kill and die for what they believe in.

00:39:08.000 In every conflict, there's the idea that there's a supreme idea that's stronger than your life, whether it's your family or your wife or your nation or whatever.

00:39:15.000 Or the supreme idea is God.

00:39:17.000 When I'm in that treatment center, I'm still worshiping myself, really.

00:39:20.000 I'm still worshiping myself.

00:39:22.000 I stopped taking drugs because I thought you ain't going to make it on drugs.

00:39:26.000 I can see you keep fucking up, you keep losing jobs.

00:39:29.000 I was deteriorating.

00:39:30.000 You did this gesture earlier.

00:39:31.000 I was falling apart.

00:39:32.000 I started to recognize that I would be more successful.

00:39:36.000 But I'd been introduced to the idea of God, but I didn't learn enough because if I'd learned enough, I'd have known don't sleep around.

00:39:42.000 I'd have learned that lesson as well.

00:39:43.000 And I didn't learn that lesson.

00:39:44.000 I got famous.

00:39:46.000 I went from being poor to having money.

00:39:48.000 I went from being unhappy.

00:39:48.000 I didn't know you were Queen at the time that you blew up.

00:39:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:51.000 So you'd already gone for it.

00:39:53.000 Yeah, well, you were calling me a crackhead.

00:39:55.000 That was out of bounds.

00:39:55.000 It was actually libel.

00:39:57.000 If I had time, I'd sue you.

00:39:59.000 I've got a trial every 50 years.

00:40:00.000 I've got no money.

00:40:01.000 Contrary to the Mossad Bulls.

00:40:03.000 Let me have that.

00:40:04.000 Dr. Pepper's coming back across the table.

00:40:06.000 Come on, then, so you end up in Hollywood.

00:40:08.000 Well, oh, yes, Katie Perry.

00:40:11.000 Adam Sandler.

00:40:12.000 So I went over there and I went for like two or Adam Sanders stuck me in his film, Bedtime Stories, lovely little kids' film.

00:40:17.000 And I'm on the first trip, met all the people around Judd Appetow.

00:40:20.000 They had a people who made like 40-year-old Virgin and the film that I'd done, Sarah Marshall.

00:40:24.000 The thing that I'm good at, right, by God's grace, is spontaneity and improvising.

00:40:28.000 So in the audition, they go improvise a scene.

00:40:32.000 And like, I've improvised it.

00:40:33.000 It was funny.

00:40:33.000 It's on the internet.

00:40:34.000 You can watch the Sarah Marshall, Sarah Marshall audition.

00:40:36.000 In fact, we'll put a link to it in the description.

00:40:37.000 Have a look at that.

00:40:38.000 So like I'd done good in that, and they put me in that film.

00:40:41.000 But even that, that was one of the prime examples of the hollowness and emptiness of it all.

00:40:45.000 I got a part in a big Hollywood film.

00:40:47.000 They asked me to host the MTV VMA awards two years running.

00:40:51.000 The first one, a mug off George Bush and like say, in my country, that guy wouldn't be allowed to, oh, he's got access to the nuclear button.

00:40:57.000 In my country, we wouldn't give him a remote control.

00:40:59.000 He wouldn't be trusted with a pair of scissors, is what I said.

00:41:01.000 Them Jonas brother, Jonas brothers with their virginity rings, I don't see that means much.

00:41:06.000 They should start wearing them around their cocks if they're serious.

00:41:08.000 And like the next day, mate, I'd said, I want to be the most famous person in America.

00:41:11.000 I said something like that.

00:41:13.000 This is funny, like that agent geezer that flown me over there.

00:41:16.000 He goes, I goes, I want everyone, you know, I want to be famous in America.

00:41:19.000 And like the next day, when all the comments started coming in and all the newspaper goes, well, you wanted everyone in America to know who you are.

00:41:24.000 And now they do.

00:41:25.000 And they don't like you.

00:41:29.000 And all the balloons I'd had in my room for the celebration were half filled with helium and floating like jellyfish in the room.

00:41:35.000 And it felt eerie and creepy and scary.

00:41:37.000 So you'd done the big show and everyone ate it.

00:41:39.000 They ate it.

00:41:39.000 Everyone ate me.

00:41:40.000 Why did they ate it?

00:41:41.000 Because you because you went over them, you overstepped the market.

00:41:43.000 I overstepped the market.

00:41:45.000 For the conservative views of America, which were very different to Britain.

00:41:48.000 You're probably right.

00:41:49.000 Yeah, that is what it was.

00:41:50.000 That is what it was.

00:41:50.000 I didn't really think about it anymore.

00:41:51.000 Did they see you as a degenerate?

00:41:53.000 Yeah.

00:41:54.000 Quite rightly in some ways.

00:41:55.000 But then the next year, though, they had me back.

00:41:57.000 Katie Perry didn't see you as a girl.

00:41:58.000 Katie Perry was the next year.

00:41:59.000 The next year, Katie Perry, that's all we can show you right now on YouTube.

00:42:03.000 If we can show any of you on YouTube, me and Tommy are so banned all over the gaff.

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00:42:22.000 Right?

00:42:22.000 I was at the Radio City Hall, massive venue in New York.

00:42:25.000 Thousands of people is where the Rockettes place.

00:42:27.000 Glamorous as it's mad, mate.

00:42:29.000 It's beautiful in there.

00:42:30.000 Thousands of seats says, over there's Jay-Z, Beyonce, all these famous people.

00:42:34.000 When you see it, it's all it was the year when Kanye nicked the thing off Taylor Swift.

00:42:38.000 That was the year.

00:42:39.000 I never saw that bit because the teleprompter had gone down.

00:42:41.000 And I was like, what's up with the teleprompter?

00:42:43.000 Because I had to improvise it because the teleprompter went down.

00:42:45.000 I couldn't remember, you know, I had to come up with a load of stuff anyway.

00:42:48.000 I was dealing with that kind of thing.

00:42:50.000 Anyway, in the rehearsal of that, Katie Perry, God lover, she lobbed a bottle at my head, a plastic bottle it was.

00:42:59.000 Tames is like, to flirt.

00:43:03.000 Katie, we're flirting.

00:43:05.000 Katie frozen.

00:43:06.000 She threw a bottle at my head.

00:43:07.000 She happened to go up and chatting to someone.

00:43:08.000 Well, that's not the way she rolls, old Katie P.

00:43:10.000 She threw that bottle at her.

00:43:11.000 She was a religious girl, no?

00:43:12.000 Shit, her back.

00:43:13.000 Her dad's a pastor, no?

00:43:14.000 Her dad, yeah, Keith, I stayed friends with her father, Keith, Pastor Keith, Goodman, and her mum, Mary Goodman.

00:43:19.000 What did he think of you, though?

00:43:20.000 Because of Frozen.

00:43:21.000 He was alright.

00:43:22.000 He says to me now, I always knew you were a man of God.

00:43:25.000 I knew God was on your case.

00:43:26.000 I knew the Lord would get you.

00:43:28.000 Now, Katie, she's lovely.

00:43:29.000 I mean, we went, it was amazing to fall in love with a pop star.

00:43:32.000 You're something like, I'm from Gray's in Essex.

00:43:35.000 I'm from Grey.

00:43:35.000 You're going to end up working.

00:43:36.000 I was a little fat kid at school.

00:43:37.000 I was a little fat kid at school.

00:43:38.000 You're going to work at a call centre or you're going to work at Ford's or whatever.

00:43:41.000 You're not even good enough to be in the football team.

00:43:43.000 Pop stars now.

00:43:44.000 It's amazing.

00:43:45.000 It's amazing.

00:43:46.000 It's sort of incredible.

00:43:47.000 And she was a lovely person, but it was my fault, really, because I wanted to marry her.

00:43:51.000 I wanted to marry her because I've sort of wanted to hold on to her, I suppose.

00:43:55.000 So I guess I rushed it.

00:43:56.000 When it came to the divorce, mate, it was because I think both of us realized we were sort of different people on different.

00:44:02.000 How long was you with her?

00:44:03.000 I think in total, it might have been just under a couple of years.

00:44:07.000 Do you think if you had a kid, it might have lasted?

00:44:09.000 Oh, I know.

00:44:09.000 Because some people have a kid and then they stay together for the family.

00:44:11.000 Thank the Lord there wasn't a kid.

00:44:13.000 Thank the Lord there wasn't.

00:44:14.000 But like, you know, I pray for her.

00:44:16.000 I pray that she's happy.

00:44:17.000 I pray for her.

00:44:18.000 Well, your prayers ain't gone very well.

00:44:19.000 She's ended up with fucking Justin Trudeau.

00:44:21.000 That is what I prayed for.

00:44:22.000 I said, let her marry a Melt God.

00:44:24.000 Let her marry a Meltman.

00:44:25.000 Let her marry a globalist little son of a man.

00:44:27.000 he's going i mean my guess would be i don't know thanks going on Saying it's, mate, I don't know.

00:44:34.000 I just his beard.

00:44:35.000 But what I would say.

00:44:37.000 But I, um, Justin Trudeau, yeah, he's not a person I feel naturally drawn to, I've got to tell you.

00:44:42.000 But although he might be naturally drawn to us from on the basis of what you're saying, given his tendency.

00:44:47.000 But there he is.

00:44:47.000 He's with Katie now.

00:44:48.000 When I got divorced, mate, what I've done was, in California, if you get divorced, you're entitled to have 50% of your spouse's gear.

00:44:56.000 And I, like, and at that time, Katie Perry, and at this time, Katie Perry was double, double rich.

00:45:02.000 She'd had all that fireworks and all them songs, you know, she was minted.

00:45:06.000 And I went, look, this ain't worked out.

00:45:08.000 I don't need no money or nothing.

00:45:10.000 Let's just try and do this in the night.

00:45:11.000 What was you worth at that time?

00:45:12.000 Do you know what I'm asking?

00:45:13.000 I don't know.

00:45:14.000 I don't know.

00:45:14.000 How much?

00:45:15.000 I'm not good with money, mate.

00:45:16.000 Okay.

00:45:16.000 Do you have someone manage money?

00:45:18.000 Thank the Lord now.

00:45:18.000 I've got good people backing me.

00:45:20.000 But at that time.

00:45:21.000 Yeah, of course I did.

00:45:22.000 Oh, you have all them Hollywood agents, mate.

00:45:24.000 At that time, compared to her, you'd be 10 times less than her.

00:45:27.000 Yeah, easily.

00:45:28.000 10 times less than her, and you just walked away with what was yours?

00:45:31.000 Yeah, I'll be alright.

00:45:32.000 You didn't take...

00:45:33.000 No, I didn't need it.

00:45:35.000 Okay, fair play.

00:45:36.000 Yeah, no, you don't, yeah, also, that's not my, see, in spite of, look, like, I'm trying to tell you this, sort of, I'm trying to give you.

00:45:41.000 Women, you can learn a lot from this.

00:45:45.000 Although, you know, I'm in no position to be talking about women right now, Tommy.

00:45:48.000 Okay, we're going to get.

00:45:49.000 Stant trial, June, and John.

00:45:50.000 I want to cut those remember.

00:45:51.000 But let's, let's hit.

00:45:52.000 We've hit Katy Perry.

00:45:54.000 I'm not going to go into details.

00:45:56.000 I just want to know Hollywood.

00:45:58.000 At which point do you realise there's a big, massive Hollywood?

00:46:01.000 You said when we were walking in here satanic, at which point do you realise this is dirty, this is filth?

00:46:06.000 And again, from an outside view in, you're with Katy Perry.

00:46:10.000 You're in Hollywood.

00:46:11.000 Elite.

00:46:11.000 You're in the films.

00:46:12.000 You think elite?

00:46:13.000 Sounds pretty elite.

00:46:14.000 I'm watching you thinking he is the elite.

00:46:17.000 You are elite.

00:46:18.000 Well, yeah, I was, I suppose, in that moment.

00:46:20.000 But I'm also...

00:46:21.000 A working class kid.

00:46:22.000 From Graves.

00:46:23.000 So, like, but while you're there.

00:46:24.000 So what it was like when I was there.

00:46:25.000 And do you have to pass initiation skin in Hollywood?

00:46:27.000 You hear all these things about rituals.

00:46:28.000 You hear all these things about people shaming themselves.

00:46:30.000 You see people.

00:46:31.000 You drink a little bit of blood and you dance around the pentagram.

00:46:34.000 Now, I never had to do like, I went to a divi party and nothing happened.

00:46:37.000 Let me tell you, I wanted to tell you this thing.

00:46:39.000 see how a minute ago we tagged the idea that i was 30 well the thing was remember see when you've been a smack in the crackhead for a little bit of a while you lost seven years when you if you i was i was 27 when i got clean and i was about 30 when i got famous But for that period of time that I was an active drug addict, you're living in a very, very different world.

00:46:55.000 You're living in a world where you're obviously going to crack houses.

00:46:58.000 You're in a world where, obviously, sometimes, because I didn't have any real money then, you're having to scrape together pennies and sort it out to score.

00:47:05.000 You're having to do unusual, weird shit to get drugs sometimes.

00:47:08.000 So what weird shit?

00:47:10.000 Well, I guess being around people.

00:47:12.000 I never like, you know, crossed the line when it came to.

00:47:14.000 I never had to, like, do no iron jobs, although I did do one in that documentary that you see that documentary series where I...

00:47:22.000 Mark Collette.

00:47:23.000 One of the other ones was I tossed off homeless fella.

00:47:25.000 No, hold on a minute.

00:47:26.000 mixing the streams i had a bath i had a bath with a homeless guy and i i think this was on the tv and i like i wanked off a geezer in a toilet What?

00:47:37.000 Yeah, tough times.

00:47:38.000 Tough times.

00:47:39.000 You want to fucking take it?

00:47:40.000 It was at the time that Jackass was out.

00:47:42.000 You know that show, Jackass?

00:47:44.000 You thought, I'll beat them.

00:47:44.000 I'll wank someone off in the toilet.

00:47:46.000 You think you're brave falling off a skateboard on a boiled egg?

00:47:49.000 I'll toss off this fella in the toilet.

00:47:51.000 Try that on Versage Drew in Oxford.

00:47:52.000 You wanked off to it.

00:47:53.000 Yeah, I did.

00:47:54.000 In a Soho toilet.

00:47:55.000 Yeah, in a Soho toilet.

00:47:58.000 Yeah, crazy days.

00:47:59.000 Who did you wank off in the toilet?

00:48:00.000 I can't remember his name, mate, to tell you the absolute truth.

00:48:02.000 But like, he was a lovely fella.

00:48:04.000 I met him in a, like, you see around Dean Street.

00:48:06.000 You can't work that if you're fucking up.

00:48:07.000 No, no, no.

00:48:08.000 Are you serious?

00:48:08.000 Yeah.

00:48:08.000 It was like in them gay bars around Dean Street.

00:48:11.000 It's on the television.

00:48:13.000 You wanking off a bloke something to?

00:48:14.000 I think the episode was called Wanky Wank.

00:48:16.000 Because you used to be pretty pro-LGBTQ?

00:48:20.000 You was back in Dan?

00:48:21.000 Yeah.

00:48:22.000 He was in that circle move.

00:48:23.000 This is what I mean, using that sort of side of the, what I'd say is the wrong side.

00:48:27.000 All right, hold on.

00:48:28.000 Let's get this straight.

00:48:30.000 Let's get this straight.

00:48:30.000 You wagged off a bloke in the toilet.

00:48:32.000 The video's out there.

00:48:33.000 I can't deny that.

00:48:34.000 You can't calf straight in the same sentence as I.

00:48:36.000 I was wanked off a man in the toilet.

00:48:37.000 That's fair enough.

00:48:37.000 But what I'm saying about myself and about maybe woke is a more general, the idea of being compassionate and kind and non-judgmental and loving to all is supremely important.

00:48:49.000 I know what it says in here about same-sex relationships, but it also says stuff about promiscuity in here.

00:48:53.000 So I don't have the problem of same-sex relationships, except for, as we've just discussed, I did wank off a man in the toilet for a television programme.

00:49:00.000 But the problem that I did have was I was very, very promiscuous.

00:49:04.000 What the fuck?

00:49:06.000 How hold on?

00:49:06.000 How old were you when you wanked off a man in the toilet?

00:49:09.000 25.

00:49:10.000 Oh, when you was a junkie?

00:49:12.000 Yeah, I was a junkie.

00:49:14.000 Oh, so you're doing anything?

00:49:15.000 Well, I wasn't doing that for drugs.

00:49:17.000 But you were doing it for the show.

00:49:18.000 You wouldn't have.

00:49:19.000 Did you do that?

00:49:20.000 Because it would blow up your name?

00:49:22.000 Yeah.

00:49:23.000 So that's what prostitutes yourself.

00:49:24.000 I suppose so.

00:49:26.000 But in the same...

00:49:27.000 Hold on a minute.

00:49:28.000 Do you want to hear...

00:49:29.000 What?

00:49:30.000 In the toilet or so on.

00:49:31.000 Fuck off.

00:49:32.000 Tommy, you've gotten a bit caught up on this.

00:49:33.000 I'm caught up in it.

00:49:34.000 I wasn't expecting it.

00:49:35.000 It came out of nowhere.

00:49:37.000 That's how it ended as well.

00:49:40.000 So listen, mate.

00:49:41.000 Right, I'll tell you every episode because you're interested in this show.

00:49:43.000 One, I had a fight with my dad, like because like a boxing match with my dad before Ricky Gervais had had that fight, and before celebrity boxing things, I wasn't even a celebrity.

00:49:50.000 I had a little show on MTV.

00:49:52.000 I didn't have a beard then.

00:49:53.000 This is when I was on MTV, but I was a smack and crackhead.

00:49:55.000 You would never have seen that.

00:49:56.000 I was doing it, I was going around people at the nightclubs, like Cream and Dream, and all them ibifa Pasha places, and people were all peeled up.

00:50:03.000 I'd interview them while they were like gurning and off their nut.

00:50:06.000 I was on Smack and Crack, and I'd just say really weird stuff to them, like and get honest.

00:50:11.000 Yeah, and they'd be filtered, but people would say really, really funny stuff.

00:50:14.000 See, I go like, I remember one that I really, really remember that was lovely and funny.

00:50:18.000 I go to this guy once, you know, that walking in the air, that song by the snowman, that snowman, Ali Jones.

00:50:23.000 He goes, Yeah, yeah, we're walking in the air.

00:50:26.000 It was like a famous song when we were kids, Christmas song.

00:50:28.000 Right?

00:50:29.000 And I go to the geezer, do you know that song?

00:50:30.000 He goes, Yeah, yeah.

00:50:31.000 I goes, What if you was walking in the air with a snowman while he was up there, tried to like have it off with you and that?

00:50:36.000 He goes, I'd fuck him off, wouldn't I?

00:50:38.000 Like, he answered it really seriously.

00:50:39.000 And that was like the whole basis of the show is people pulled up really getting into these chats with me.

00:50:43.000 Now, while I was doing that, this show called this channel called UK TV, which was a BBC little spin-off channel just when all the digital channels started.

00:50:50.000 Goes, you can have your own show.

00:50:52.000 What do you want to do?

00:50:52.000 And I go, I'll do these psychological stunts.

00:50:55.000 One of them is I'll hang out of a kid that's a Nazi.

00:50:58.000 That's Mark Colette.

00:50:59.000 Another one, I'll hang out of a homeless person, James.

00:51:01.000 Me and him were using Smack together, me and this kid James, right?

00:51:05.000 Lovely guy, dead now, Scottish geezer.

00:51:07.000 I'll go and live with a brass, and like at the end of living with her, I'll go, here you go, love, let's go.

00:51:12.000 And I lived with her.

00:51:13.000 They were all proper smackheads out in Norfolk.

00:51:15.000 That one never got screened because it was too intense and too heavy to watch this woman.

00:51:18.000 Like, all their teeth were falling out.

00:51:20.000 They were in a state that lot.

00:51:21.000 Did you bang her?

00:51:22.000 No, mate.

00:51:22.000 I couldn't.

00:51:23.000 I mean, you didn't bang her, but you wanked on the bloke in the toilet.

00:51:26.000 You have to roll with your punches, Tommy.

00:51:28.000 It was the railings.

00:51:29.000 It was the Nash's.

00:51:30.000 They were all over the gas.

00:51:31.000 No, also, no, that was because it was a tragic and painful situation.

00:51:34.000 They had their little kid, they were in a mess.

00:51:36.000 It was awful.

00:51:37.000 That was dark.

00:51:38.000 They couldn't show that thing even on the television.

00:51:39.000 Good though.

00:51:39.000 It was good.

00:51:40.000 Because it was an exploration.

00:51:41.000 I was trying to explore.

00:51:43.000 Do you think she was being exploited for the show?

00:51:44.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:51:45.000 He was being exploited.

00:51:46.000 In a way, but.

00:51:46.000 Well, you're being exploited if they were getting your wang man off.

00:51:48.000 Come on.

00:51:49.000 Well, in a way, Tommy, at that point, I know, let go of it.

00:51:53.000 You're tweeting it when I'm walking.

00:51:54.000 Don't, mate.

00:51:56.000 Don't worry.

00:51:57.000 It's a context.

00:51:58.000 Right into context.

00:51:59.000 The context is, is that I was doing TV shows that were about challenging different prejudices.

00:52:04.000 And my idea is a little lefty kid that was all into liberalism and, like you said, then LGBTQ stuff.

00:52:11.000 You sort of like represented the face of the movement, really.

00:52:13.000 I didn't realise that's what I was doing.

00:52:15.000 But let me two saying, this is where me and you get back on the same page.

00:52:18.000 Is when I like, and it's a little bit down the line, when I was making that show, what I was looking at is, why don't we, what is this?

00:52:25.000 I'm trying to explore stuff and understand it.

00:52:27.000 What are these feelings of rage that I feel towards my dad?

00:52:30.000 Instead of just having these feelings, why do you have rage towards me?

00:52:32.000 Because I think right of him and all the usual stuff.

00:52:33.000 You weren't living at home, you've had resentment.

00:52:35.000 Yeah.

00:52:35.000 Again, resentment.

00:52:36.000 So I thought, why don't we just have a fight?

00:52:37.000 We'll fight each other.

00:52:38.000 And that was an intense episode.

00:52:40.000 And then I won.

00:52:41.000 Did he get you back?

00:52:42.000 Did he go for it or did he let you in?

00:52:43.000 Bless him.

00:52:43.000 He was quite sweet, actually.

00:52:45.000 It was Ronnie Brand.

00:52:46.000 And then like, and then another one, yeah, the tossing off a fella in the toilet.

00:52:50.000 That was actually the hardest one.

00:52:52.000 It was not enjoyable.

00:52:54.000 It was not enjoyable.

00:52:54.000 I've got to tell you that.

00:52:56.000 How much got paid for that episode?

00:52:58.000 They weren't paying me for individual episodes.

00:53:00.000 I think the budget for the whole show might have been a quarter of a million quid.

00:53:03.000 I don't know what I walked away with, mate, because you had the production and everything like that.

00:53:07.000 20 years ago.

00:53:08.000 Older and I'm still using.

00:53:09.000 So it's probably about 25 years ago.

00:53:11.000 Yeah, 25 years ago.

00:53:12.000 But what it was is, remember, I'm like a little punk artist kid.

00:53:15.000 I'm trying to do weird, interesting stuff, hanging out with prostitutes, like, tossing off a geezer in the toilet, hanging out, went up to Leeds with Mark Collette and all them going, what was you, like...

00:53:25.000 Mark Collette, if you don't know Mark Collette, he's a little mong, pisses me off.

00:53:29.000 I'll tell you what he is.

00:53:30.000 He's educated, middle class, university graduated, and he draws working class kids in to manipulate them into a Nazi ideology.

00:53:38.000 They end up ruining their life.

00:53:40.000 He stays there quite articulate, clever, sitting back whilst he fucks all of them.

00:53:44.000 That's what that's my description of Mark Collette.

00:53:46.000 He was in the BMP.

00:53:48.000 He then become a prominent, he never goes to prison.

00:53:51.000 All the groups he runs or works with end up prescribed terrorist organisations, but he always sits there smiling.

00:53:56.000 There's the other dickheads who get involved.

00:53:58.000 So are you saying about Mark Collette then?

00:54:00.000 Because you see me as an outsider of it, the difference between like Tommy Robinson and Mark Collette, what's the difference?

00:54:07.000 White nationalism, all that kind of stuff.

00:54:09.000 What's the difference?

00:54:10.000 What's Mark Collette believe in that you don't believe in?

00:54:13.000 He believes in white supremacy.

00:54:15.000 Right.

00:54:16.000 So that's like all races are inferior.

00:54:18.000 To him.

00:54:19.000 To white race.

00:54:20.000 And you don't believe that.

00:54:21.000 I'm from Luton town, so I've never explained.

00:54:23.000 Black people seek them.

00:54:25.000 It's just.

00:54:27.000 I don't give monkeys, but I believe that as a nation, we're losing our identity and our culture due to us becoming a minority in many towns and cities.

00:54:34.000 So as England needs to remain and Britain needs to remain a majority white nation, because if Nigeria become if Nigeria needs to remain a majority black nation.

00:54:43.000 If they start becoming a minority in their own country, it's wrong.

00:54:45.000 And if the Japanese start becoming a minority in their own country, it's wrong.

00:54:47.000 So that demographical change and replacement, every way you want to look at it, 33% of London's white English now.

00:54:54.000 That's not right for the capital city of our country.

00:54:56.000 And along with that comes the problems that we're all witnessing.

00:54:58.000 But hold on, Nick.

00:54:59.000 If you're not a white supremacist, why are we drawing the distinction of white English and black English?

00:55:05.000 Who cares?

00:55:06.000 Like, white English, black English?

00:55:08.000 Exactly the point I just made.

00:55:09.000 So if I moved to Nigeria and white people started moving to Nigeria, would it be acceptable that they become a minority in their own country?

00:55:15.000 Historically, this is a thousand years of history of white Christian nation.

00:55:19.000 That doesn't mean that I don't believe So I've got most of my mates who are black who are growing up in Luton, they're English.

00:55:24.000 They cast themselves as English.

00:55:26.000 Ethnically, they're not English.

00:55:27.000 Culturally, they are.

00:55:29.000 They're brought up as English.

00:55:30.000 So I'd say my mates are English.

00:55:32.000 I'll stand with them.

00:55:33.000 But don't you think it gets where this gets comico for me, right, is say like Nigeria there, they're not going to have, you know, no one's going to move to Nigeria because there ain't no bleeding reason to move to Nigeria for cultural, political, and it's only the white nations that are being flooded with mass immigration.

00:55:46.000 Only the white nations are supposed to tolerate it except for it.

00:55:49.000 It's interesting.

00:55:50.000 But Nigeria took some pretty hard hits in colonialism and loads of other ways that Nigeria got all striped up.

00:55:56.000 What I'm interested in is what the future of the nation is in general.

00:56:02.000 What I believe, Tommy, is I'm very, very sick and tired of ordinary people being lied to by people that are exploiting them.

00:56:09.000 I'm tired of that.

00:56:11.000 And I'm starting to wonder if even the concept of one nation with a centralized government is ever going to work again.

00:56:18.000 I don't think it can, is the answer.

00:56:20.000 I think as long as you're able to replace the Labour Party with a reform Tory conglomerate, it's going to be basically the same for the majority of people.

00:56:29.000 You might see a little bit of change in the direction of whatever.

00:56:32.000 What do you replace it with?

00:56:34.000 Decentralised, direct participatory democracy.

00:56:38.000 Direct democracy, which is so the five-star, did you look at the five-star movement and then?

00:56:41.000 Literally, yeah, Bepe Grillo.

00:56:42.000 Yeah, they fucked it.

00:56:43.000 So direct.

00:56:45.000 They're Italians, Tommy.

00:56:46.000 They wouldn't have been our focus.

00:56:47.000 They're all mamma mia negging as pastors, and they out in the vespers.

00:56:50.000 Hey, mamma mia, chica tabareta.

00:56:52.000 You can't rely on them.

00:56:54.000 Don't judge the English from the qualities of the Irish.

00:56:56.000 Historically, we always spoke about direct democracy, or political figures did, until we had the technology to do it.

00:57:01.000 And then they've stopped talking about it.

00:57:02.000 Yeah, man.

00:57:03.000 So you could do direct democracy.

00:57:04.000 If you had direct democracy, they could ask you right now as a British public, which technology could let us have it.

00:57:09.000 And we could all say, do you want mass immigration?

00:57:12.000 And then it's to you, the people.

00:57:13.000 We don't need 650 lying politicians who don't represent you anyway.

00:57:16.000 They're the Labour Party now about all the things they're bringing in and we're not in their manifesto.

00:57:19.000 They can ask you, do you want to fund the war in Ukraine?

00:57:21.000 No.

00:57:22.000 Do you want to take the vaccine?

00:57:23.000 No.

00:57:24.000 Mass immigration?

00:57:25.000 No.

00:57:26.000 And then you can have your voice.

00:57:28.000 And then it's direct democracy.

00:57:29.000 So I agree.

00:57:30.000 I agree, but there's going to come a point in this country now where...

00:57:33.000 UK, you mean, yeah?

00:57:34.000 In the UK, where in another 10 or 15 years, if we had direct democracy, we'll all end up living under Sharia.

00:57:39.000 Because they'll vote, they'll vote, they'll use democracy to end democracy.

00:57:42.000 So we've got a time period here.

00:57:43.000 I just wrote in my most recent book saying that, yeah, we need direct democracy and we need it now.

00:57:48.000 And I agree with you.

00:57:48.000 And if the demographic continues, we lose our cultural identity, which again cannot be allowed to happen in England.

00:57:55.000 It can't.

00:57:55.000 It's a Christian nation.

00:57:56.000 It cannot be allowed to happen.

00:57:57.000 So whatever we have to do to prevent that, and I don't see us preventing it without chaos.

00:58:02.000 Anyone that's come to our country is a guest of our country.

00:58:04.000 My mother comes to our country as a guest of our country.

00:58:06.000 Irish.

00:58:06.000 Yeah, my mother came.

00:58:08.000 But all my mates, but they love the country.

00:58:10.000 They've embraced it.

00:58:11.000 How do you reconcile?

00:58:12.000 Just a quick question, because we've got a few windows open, things that we've got to cover.

00:58:15.000 We've still got to cover satanic Hollywood.

00:58:17.000 Direct democracy direct democracy, satanic Hollywood, we've got a cover.

00:58:23.000 And there's a few other things.

00:58:24.000 But how do you reconcile, for example, say, I'm making a lot of assumptions here, but like if your mum's Irish, I wonder what her idea, her attitude, and is she a Catholic lady?

00:58:33.000 My mum's Catholic.

00:58:34.000 So, what's her feeling about British imperialism?

00:58:37.000 My mum's brought me up.

00:58:38.000 My mum's brought me up to love Britain.

00:58:40.000 Say, my cousin Kev, his dad sat him down with the Irish flag and the English flag.

00:58:43.000 This is my flag.

00:58:44.000 You're from this nation.

00:58:46.000 This is your flag.

00:58:47.000 You're bought up here.

00:58:47.000 You're grown up here.

00:58:48.000 You're educated here.

00:58:49.000 This is your country.

00:58:50.000 So that was Kev.

00:58:51.000 So my mum's one of eight children.

00:58:54.000 All of the sons, some of her brothers were born in England.

00:58:58.000 They're all patriotic English.

00:59:00.000 Amazing.

00:59:01.000 And I always say, but I said when the Polish come to Lutland, I remember saying, they're just going to be the new Irish.

00:59:06.000 So when they have kids and kids, and they're of kids, they're going to be proud of their Polish heritage.

00:59:11.000 But they're going to support the country.

00:59:12.000 Now, yeah, they're going to love England.

00:59:14.000 They're going to be born in the country.

00:59:15.000 They're going to adapt to it.

00:59:15.000 They're going to culturally be the same as it.

00:59:17.000 So those sort of successful.

00:59:20.000 And where the Irish aren't wanting to blow shit up, still going on about historic grievances with Britain.

00:59:25.000 Well, they were with the IRA, but the Irish in England, the Irish that are bought there, the Irish that love the country.

00:59:29.000 They've integrated and assimilated.

00:59:30.000 They're not still.

00:59:31.000 Well, they'd have Irish pubs or whatever.

00:59:33.000 Yeah, that's where we all go.

00:59:36.000 So hold on, hold on.

00:59:38.000 So we're allowed to, like, there's, because I'm actually, these are not questions where I'm trying to trip you up.

00:59:41.000 I'm actually trying to work out a way to move forward, right?

00:59:44.000 See, like, Irish, it's good that there's some Irish culture in Britain, and that Irish culture comes from Irish people successfully assimilating.

00:59:51.000 I do think that we're being fucked up by migration.

00:59:54.000 I do think that.

00:59:55.000 I do think they're trying to destabilise domestic populations.

00:59:57.000 I don't think you're wrong about that.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - March 09, 2026

A Conversation With Tommy Robinson — SF689

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