Stay Free - Russel Brand - A Great Reset Will Happen…With Guest Eckhart Tolle - #025 - Stay Free with Russell Brand

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00:01:36.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:01:49.000 Hello and welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:01:52.000 Today it's subcutaneous, that means we look under the skin of an important guest and I'm so excited to tell you that today we're talking to Eckhart Tolle.

00:02:01.000 Now if you don't know who Eckhart Tolle is, Eckhart Tolle is the author of The Power of Now.

00:02:05.000 He popularised new forms of Buddhism, one of the most significant figures of the new age, darling of Oprah Winfrey and my Personal favourite accessible spiritual teacher.

00:02:18.000 What I'll say about Eckhart is you feel it.

00:02:21.000 You watch the show because now these podcasts can be watched as well as listened to.

00:02:26.000 And you will see in Eckhart Tolle's eyes that he is connected.

00:02:29.000 Now, the reason that I believe that Eckhart Tolle is an important guest is because on stay with Russell Brand, I'm so keen that we are able to align and combine individual personal spiritual awakening with collective cultural awakening so that we are empowered to run our own lives and run our own community and get beyond artificial divisions so that we can become collectively powerful enough to confront centralized authority wherever we experience it.

00:02:55.000 Otherwise, we might end up in some kind of dark Orwellian nightmare.

00:02:59.000 And if you want to know more about dark Orwellian nightmares, why don't you join Books with Brad, my book club that I run with philosopher Professor Brad Evans.

00:03:10.000 We've already done week one on 1984.

00:03:12.000 It is absolutely fantastic.

00:03:15.000 You will see things in 1984 that you've never seen before, beyond the surveillance, the thought control.

00:03:21.000 The 2 plus 2 equals 5.

00:03:23.000 The inability to communicate openly.

00:03:26.000 If you become spiritually enlightened, you are less susceptible to authoritative centralised state power.

00:03:31.000 You have personal individual connection and authority.

00:03:35.000 You are not so susceptible to manipulation.

00:03:38.000 Have a look at this.

00:03:39.000 His pen had slid voluptuously over the smooth paper, printing in large neat capitals.

00:03:44.000 Down with Big Brother.

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00:03:49.000 Oh my god, that's brilliant.

00:03:52.000 Tell us how, how did we come up with, you did it, did you?

00:03:55.000 Who's, how did we get that brilliant, brilliant thing?

00:03:55.000 Your wife?

00:03:58.000 Yeah, my wife, the brilliant artist, Chantal Mirza.

00:04:00.000 She's, yeah, phenomenal. 0.94

00:04:02.000 And then Chantal did this image. 1.00

00:04:04.000 And we're going to give it away as a prize at some point, aren't we?

00:04:07.000 But when we've reviewed, oh, it's stuck to the wall.

00:04:10.000 But when it's, when we've done it, quite rightly, really, because you should have pictures stuck to the wall, when we've, um, when we've reviewed 9-8-4, we're going to give this away as a prize, aren't we?

00:04:20.000 So beautiful.

00:04:21.000 Your wife's a brilliant artist.

00:04:23.000 I'm very lucky.

00:04:25.000 Yeah, you're lucky to have a brilliant artist wife. 0.92

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00:04:46.000 Welcome, welcome, welcome all of you.

00:04:49.000 Where do we live?

00:04:50.000 In the moment.

00:04:51.000 So what are we going to do now?

00:04:53.000 We are going to talk to Eckhart Tolle.

00:04:56.000 I'm going to be asking him about individual awakening, collective awakening, how he copes with the constant flow of terrible news, the inundation of crisis consciousness the whole time.

00:05:07.000 I'm also going to be asking Eckhart some of the questions you sent in.

00:05:10.000 Thank you very much for joining us.

00:05:15.000 What I'd love to frame our conversation around today, if I might, Eckhart, is the sense that we are living in a time of crisis, where we are lurching from one crisis to another, where we move from a financial crisis into a pandemic crisis, into a war crisis.

00:05:32.000 How do we align individual spiritual awakening with collective awakening?

00:05:37.000 And do you think that spiritual awakening, when attained, as it can only be in the present moment, means that we are somehow divorced or separate from community activity in the same way that we would be separate from sort of personal goals of the fulfillment of personal passions, say.

00:05:54.000 Do you have trouble squaring that circle?

00:06:00.000 Well, we are certainly moving into turbulent times and Perhaps it's helpful to become more aware of one's own state of consciousness.

00:06:21.000 That's the main thing, is to become aware that everything is experienced through your state of consciousness.

00:06:29.000 And your state of consciousness determines the way in which you experience so-called reality.

00:06:37.000 So you could divide, for example, your experience of reality into three parts.

00:06:45.000 One is you experience reality through your past, which is of course all the things that have happened to you and all the things that make up your personality.

00:07:02.000 They are accumulations, mental-emotional accumulations from the past, and that's who you consider yourself to be.

00:07:12.000 That's part of your reality, is your past, or whatever happens even in the more recent past.

00:07:18.000 Another part of your reality is the future.

00:07:21.000 Many people are very much focused on the future, what's going to happen to me, what's going to happen an hour from now, tomorrow, next year.

00:07:32.000 What's going to happen to the world?

00:07:34.000 Are we going to survive?

00:07:36.000 Am I going to make it?

00:07:37.000 Etc, etc.

00:07:38.000 So we have the past as part of your reality, which makes up your identity in the sense of personal identity.

00:07:48.000 You have the future, which you look to for fulfillment or liberation from a state of Insufficiency or lack, you look to the future for liberation, which is normal.

00:08:00.000 You look to the future to become a more complete human being, to achieve or acquire this or that.

00:08:07.000 That's all fine.

00:08:09.000 And then you have the present moment, the immediate experience of the present moment.

00:08:15.000 And that's often overlooked because future and past have obscure In the cases of most people's lives, past and future, past in the sense of carrying the weight of a personality that's based on the conditioning of your mind, and then the future in the sense of desperately needing to get somewhere, there's the hope of fulfillment, and at the same time there's the fear of non-fulfillment or loss, so the future is a two-edged sword.

00:08:53.000 On the one hand, it promises fulfillment and it might give it to you.

00:08:59.000 Or it is experienced as a threat of loss or something bad happening or death or whatever.

00:09:10.000 So they tend to obscure the present moment.

00:09:13.000 And then there's, I would add, a fourth thing that's only come into people's lives in The past decade and the experience of reality, there's a virtual world of the reality.

00:09:27.000 So there are many people these days who spend several hours a day focusing on the virtual reality of social media, whatever it is that they're engaged in, when they look at their screen.

00:09:41.000 So we could say perhaps there's your screen reality, which for many people, unfortunately, especially young people, has actually become the main way in which they experience reality.

00:09:57.000 And that's quite amazing.

00:09:58.000 It's something totally new.

00:10:00.000 Until recently, it's only been past, future and present moment.

00:10:05.000 Now it's past, future, present moment and then the virtual reality.

00:10:12.000 So that's something that we need to be aware of.

00:10:17.000 The spiritual dimension can only come into your life through awareness of the present moment reality, your immediate reality in the present moment, here and now.

00:10:33.000 That's the entry point into the spirituality.

00:10:36.000 And that is often overlooked in people's lives.

00:10:40.000 They overlook the most important thing there ever is, which is actually the immediate experience of this moment, which after all is all there is ever.

00:10:51.000 So, past and future are actually experienced as mental formations.

00:11:00.000 One could say that past and future don't really exist except as thoughts in your mind.

00:11:12.000 Without the thoughts in your mind, there's no past and future.

00:11:17.000 One could go into that.

00:11:19.000 Philosophical questions may arise out of that, but we don't need to go there.

00:11:26.000 May I interrupt for a second?

00:11:27.000 I'd like to see you, Russell, but I can't see you right now.

00:11:30.000 I can only see myself.

00:11:32.000 Oh, there you are.

00:11:34.000 I don't like looking at myself, because that is Do you know the story of Narcissus?

00:11:42.000 I was in it. The uh, the, the, the Greek, the, it's a mythological tale.

00:11:53.000 I call it, it's a story of how the first selfie happened.

00:12:01.000 So the story goes back into a mythological past.

00:12:05.000 It's not a... I don't think it ever really happened, but it's the deep wisdom embedded in that story.

00:12:13.000 There was Narcissus, the man, a very beautiful young man.

00:12:18.000 He was very, very happy.

00:12:19.000 He didn't know he was beautiful.

00:12:22.000 There were no mirrors, but he was just happy.

00:12:25.000 One day he saw a very still pool of water, And he looked into this pool of water and he saw his reflection.

00:12:35.000 For the first time, he saw himself in the reflection of this water.

00:12:41.000 And as the mythological tale goes, it says he fell in love with himself.

00:12:48.000 When he saw himself, he saw that he was beautiful and he fell in love with himself.

00:12:55.000 And after that, he was never happy again.

00:13:00.000 And there's enormous wisdom in that story because to me it tells the story, I sometimes jokingly say it's the story of the first selfie, but really it tells of the beginning of the human ego.

00:13:15.000 The human ego is the formulation of an image in your mind that you have of yourself.

00:13:22.000 It consists of visual image and, to a larger extent, a narrative that's connected, a story that you tell yourself, that you believe in, that you say, this is me, this is who I am.

00:13:37.000 So you begin, as the ego developed, humans began to live with dividing themselves up into two.

00:13:45.000 There's me and the image that I have of myself, and I live then through a mental image of myself.

00:13:54.000 And so that is the split that happens.

00:13:57.000 Perhaps this is what sometimes is described as the fall, the fall of humans into the egoic consciousness.

00:14:04.000 And this is what we are still living with.

00:14:08.000 And over the millennia, the ego has become stronger and stronger.

00:14:13.000 So our Entire identity is then based on that mental image that we have of ourselves, which in most cases has now become a narrative.

00:14:28.000 This narrative you call me, me and my life.

00:14:31.000 People call it my life.

00:14:34.000 And they don't realize when they say, my life, they're talking about a story that they're telling themselves in their minds.

00:14:43.000 People carry this burden of, because every life is so problematic.

00:14:46.000 Every life is a heavy, there's a heaviness to this life.

00:14:51.000 It's a problem.

00:14:52.000 Many people's identity is experienced as a big problem.

00:14:56.000 And they're looking for a solution to this problem of me.

00:15:01.000 Then you look to the future, and occasionally it helps you a bit.

00:15:04.000 The future enables you to do things, et cetera, et cetera.

00:15:10.000 But eventually, as you grow older, as I'm growing older, and I begin to realize the future is also very lethal. 0.95

00:15:17.000 It's going to eventually kill you.

00:15:22.000 First, the future gives you everything.

00:15:24.000 All the possibilities are there.

00:15:27.000 It's a wonderful thing to have time.

00:15:29.000 It really is time.

00:15:32.000 The universe gives you time to do things, to acquire things, to get better at this or that.

00:15:39.000 And then this beautiful thing, time, that you need for everything, and you have it, and then it turns around and it starts killing you.

00:15:49.000 It gives you everything and then it takes everything away.

00:15:52.000 That is time and that is the world that we live in.

00:15:56.000 I call it the horizontal dimension.

00:15:59.000 Where things are, there's past and there's future.

00:16:01.000 That's time.

00:16:02.000 We live through memory and anticipation.

00:16:06.000 Humans live mainly through memory and anticipation.

00:16:12.000 And what they don't realize is the primary importance of the present moment.

00:16:18.000 The ultimate sanity, you have to seek that in the present moment rather than looking for it at some future point or in the virtual world.

00:16:35.000 The virtual world is a An amplification and an externalization of the egoic mind in many cases.

00:16:42.000 The human mind gets amplified there and then you have it there on the screen.

00:16:48.000 So, I don't know what your initial question was.

00:16:51.000 Let's see if we can get back to that, but it's all connected.

00:16:56.000 You once told me that in one of the conversations where I was troubling you, having gotten your phone number by illicit means, that you said you can never be happy in the conceptual mind.

00:17:10.000 You are trying to find happy in the conceptual mind.

00:17:12.000 And of course the future is ultimately conceptual, the past is conceptual, my identity as an individual, as a male, the narcissus identity.

00:17:23.000 I was very taken with your explanation of that myth in the pure pool of unbounded potentiality, the super state of all unconscious possibility, connected perhaps to the limitlessness, a choice is made to identify with form, whether that form is physical or thought form.

00:17:42.000 I like that at this point of distinction, separation occurs.

00:17:50.000 It reminded me too, as you alluded to, of the fall of humankind.

00:17:57.000 Of course, regarded as expulsion from the garden, the garden being a cultivated space where everything is immediately available without requirement.

00:18:06.000 or recourse for the external.

00:18:08.000 Some people, I suppose they're not of a spiritual persuasion, would seek to say that this mythic memory of the garden is born of our shared individual memory of a uteral life where all of us live initially formless, then single cellular, bi-cellular,

00:18:25.000 where we live suspended and all of our needs are met by the great

00:18:28.000 eternal mother. And while we're on this sort of somewhat mythic pathway, Eckhart,

00:18:35.000 I wondered if I might ask, as I felt you were on the brink of saying it when you talked about horizontal

00:18:42.000 dimensionality of the function of the mythic symbol of the crucifix when it comes to enlightenment

00:18:50.000 beyond Christ's ascension, is there a personal and relevant message for us in this image system?

00:18:58.000 Thank you.

00:18:59.000 Bye-bye.

00:19:00.000 It's a very profound image.

00:19:02.000 and to appreciate it and understand it.

00:19:05.000 You don't need to be a Christian to appreciate this deep wisdom embedded in that image.

00:19:15.000 So first of all you have, if you came here as an extraterrestrial, well they're probably here already, but and if you saw for the first time that... Don't think I haven't noticed your initials?

00:19:30.000 Yes, well, that's true.

00:19:33.000 I won't say any more about that.

00:19:38.000 So an extraterrestrial, they would be very surprised to see humans worshipping a man.

00:19:45.000 It's not just the cross because there's an image of the man crucified on the cross and people are worshipping that image.

00:19:54.000 So they would say, how does that make sense?

00:19:57.000 What is that?

00:19:59.000 So the central image of Christianity is the crucifixion, the man on the cross, which really is an image of suffering.

00:20:09.000 The central image of Christianity is an image of suffering. 0.96

00:20:12.000 In the same way that the central teaching of the Buddha is a teaching of the fact of human suffering called Dukkha, the primordial fact of human existence.

00:20:27.000 Buddha taught the primordial fact of human existence is the fact of dukkha.

00:20:32.000 Buddha said wherever you go, whatever you do, sooner or later, sooner rather than later, you will encounter some form of suffering.

00:20:43.000 Dukkha is a Pali term.

00:20:45.000 Pali is a language related to Sanskrit.

00:20:48.000 Many Buddhist scriptures are in Pali, as you probably know.

00:20:52.000 So Dukkha can also be translated as unsatisfactoriness, unhappiness, misery, whatever.

00:21:00.000 You could call it unhappiness in whatever form.

00:21:03.000 So Dukkha is suffering.

00:21:04.000 The central image of Christianity is also an image of suffering, but it is also an image of The transcendence of suffering, because the crucifixion is the image of suffering, but it also points to the resurrection.

00:21:21.000 The cross, then, is ambivalent.

00:21:28.000 It has a twofold meaning.

00:21:30.000 One, it's a torture instrument.

00:21:32.000 It's the cause of human suffering, of this archetypal human, as I call Christ.

00:21:38.000 It's the image of... It's a torture instrument.

00:21:42.000 But the cross also is a symbol of the divine.

00:21:47.000 It's both.

00:21:48.000 It's a torture instrument.

00:21:50.000 And it's a symbol of the divine.

00:21:52.000 In other words, it points to something that perhaps no human would have understood conceptually at the time, that the path of human evolution is the evolution through suffering.

00:22:09.000 Eventually, we awaken And we transcend through the experience of suffering.

00:22:15.000 Suffering eventually awakens us.

00:22:19.000 And the Buddha, when he talked about Dukkha, he also added, he said literally, I teach suffering and the end of suffering.

00:22:34.000 Which means, he was saying, I show you how suffering arises, Ultimately, how the human mind creates it.

00:22:44.000 I show you how suffering arises and I show you how it can be transcended.

00:22:50.000 So the crucifixion is suffering and the transcendence of suffering.

00:22:55.000 But there would be no awakening, spiritual awakening, if it weren't for the suffering that precedes it.

00:23:04.000 That is the path on all levels.

00:23:09.000 The existence of every life form is precarious.

00:23:16.000 Every life form, as soon as it manifests into this existence, It encounters limitations.

00:23:24.000 It encounters danger.

00:23:27.000 Life is always precarious.

00:23:29.000 And so even a blade of grass has a struggle.

00:23:33.000 It has to come up through the soil.

00:23:35.000 I heard some gardeners, when they plant seeds or something, they sometimes when the first The plant first sprouts.

00:23:46.000 They put more soil on top of it.

00:23:49.000 They say that... I talked to a gardener who did that.

00:23:51.000 I said, why are you putting more soil on top of this thing that's already sprouting?

00:23:56.000 He said, then they have to struggle and then they become stronger.

00:24:01.000 When they finally emerge, they are a stronger plant through the struggle.

00:24:06.000 The struggle attracts more energy, more life energy.

00:24:12.000 And so this is why humans never evolve in their comfort zone.

00:24:18.000 No human has ever achieved deep insights or in evolutionary terms, no human has ever Um, experienced a deeper awakening in their comfort zone.

00:24:36.000 Sitting on the sofa, they're drinking their beer, watching Netflix.

00:24:40.000 It's so great.

00:24:43.000 Whatever their comfort zone is.

00:24:44.000 Lying on the beach.

00:24:46.000 People think One day I will achieve this.

00:24:46.000 It's great.

00:24:49.000 I'm going to move to Hawaii or to Bali and then I will have made it.

00:24:52.000 I'll lie on the beach.

00:24:54.000 Or they might think when I have enough money I can go to a beautiful spa and out there I will be pampered. 0.72

00:25:05.000 Purest food.

00:25:07.000 I will get massages every day and then I can actually dedicate my life to spiritual awakening.

00:25:12.000 Those will be the ideal conditions for spiritual awakening.

00:25:15.000 Yeah, I wish I had the money to do that, they say.

00:25:18.000 But of course, the opposite is true.

00:25:20.000 In their comfort zone, they would not awaken at all.

00:25:23.000 They would gradually go to sleep, so to speak.

00:25:26.000 And the ideal situation for your awakening is The very limitations you experience in your life at this moment in your life.

00:25:39.000 That is your ideal situation.

00:25:41.000 Some imagined comfort zone.

00:25:44.000 Amazing.

00:25:44.000 All right, I've got some questions.

00:25:46.000 Firstly, to your point there about the precondition of suffering as the natural environment for enlightenment, it came to me the idea of Marcus Aurelius in this reified position as an emperor and indeed a philosopher king, presumably able to achieve a degree of comfort due to his authority and power and yet living in that place of stoic wisdom.

00:26:08.000 I'd like to also add to this, because I know that I have to ask all my questions at once because I know I might not be speaking for a while after this, like there's the Marcus Aurelius in a reified position argument, then I want to add to that the idea of Epicureanism, the idea that Pleasure and hedonism can lead to some unbounded state.

00:26:27.000 Is this not an ascetic model that is about the denial of pleasure and the denial of the body?

00:26:34.000 Where do you place sex and sexuality on that spectra?

00:26:40.000 But firstly, and I'd like you to cover all of this if you would, and you've still got a bit of question about the war left over from about half hour ago that's just warming on the stove for you in a Tupperware box to answer in a moment.

00:26:52.000 And I'd also like to add that I want to talk to you about undifferentiated states because you used when talking about the sapling seedling metaphor that struggle attract you said, attracts more energy and I wonder where this

00:27:08.000 attraction is from and where this attraction is going to. I also would like to recount a

00:27:13.000 personal story if I may, Eckhart, that recently after doing a show late at night, which

00:27:18.000 required of me that I be absolutely present in the moment in order for me to deliver what I was

00:27:24.000 required to deliver. I had to function at a high state. After this, I was in this state afterwards.

00:27:30.000 Another time when I was troubling you on the phone, you said to me, the minute you're not on the... you said the minute you leave the stage, you said you are no longer that person and that experience is over and you have lost that concept.

00:27:42.000 Well, not so for me.

00:27:43.000 I live in the velocity and momentum of that moment and still the next day after not sleeping well because my body wants to stay awake, it wants action, it wants...

00:27:52.000 Essentially, if I may say, coitus and procreation.

00:27:55.000 And the next morning when I wake up, I still feel I'm still in it.

00:28:00.000 I'm still in it, but it's sort of glorious.

00:28:02.000 And as I drove to work the next day, when I see the bins, the garbage left out, you know, the garbage cans, which are like wheelie bins in this country, when I see them, I see them in a sort of a joyful state, like saintly, like it's Disney versions of trash cans, like they make me laugh.

00:28:18.000 I see them as funny, as if they're talking to one another.

00:28:21.000 And when I see the pigeons on a wire, it amuses me.

00:28:24.000 And I notice how close it is, this sense of the vibrant table.

00:28:29.000 What will it be in five years?

00:28:31.000 What is five years?

00:28:33.000 So I suppose I'm asking to you about these routes to enlightenment.

00:28:35.000 First that Marcus Aurelius tag, reified position, how did he experience the struggle to come up with this sort of Stoic philosophy that he's a significant part of.

00:28:45.000 What do you say about Epicureanism and the role of pleasure and is it not Like, because, you know, what about in Tantra, in the Vedas, where they say, just go crazy, man, and live it all out.

00:28:55.000 And what do you think also about these transcendent states that are achieved through psychedelics, or whether or not they can be accessed, I'm guessing you say they do, whether or not you've ever taken any psychedelics, and if you understand what I'm saying about how close this is to a type of insanity.

00:29:11.000 We talk about awakening, but isn't there a kind of danger in there, because obviously I'm very familiar with your personal awakening, but so that's just...

00:29:19.000 Some questions, Eckhart Tolle.

00:29:21.000 Yes, well, there are many questions and ultimately probably boils down to one question.

00:29:30.000 Every human is longing unconsciously, mostly unconsciously, longing for self-transcendence.

00:29:40.000 They somehow feel that they are not comfortable with themselves.

00:29:45.000 They're not comfortable in their own skin.

00:29:47.000 There's always in the background and sometimes in the foreground, there's a sense of something missing, something not quite right, or I haven't arrived yet.

00:29:59.000 I haven't really started to live yet.

00:30:01.000 I'm waiting to start out living.

00:30:04.000 Some people reach the age of 60 and they're still waiting to start living.

00:30:08.000 And then finally they say, oh, when I retire, then I'll start living.

00:30:11.000 No, you won't.

00:30:12.000 So there's a longing for self-transcendence.

00:30:18.000 And then they may seek self-transcendence in certain experiences.

00:30:25.000 And certain experiences can give them a taste or a glimpse of temporary self-transcendence.

00:30:32.000 For example, You could say alcohol.

00:30:39.000 You drink, you take a few, a whiskey or whatever you drink and what does it do?

00:30:47.000 You have the first one and you begin to feel, let's say this, you're a normal anxious person stressed, anxious, you've had a rough day, and your mind says, come on, you deserve a treat, get the bottle, and the mind, even if you have a problem with alcohol, the mind will convince you, okay, just one more, what else do I have in my life?

00:31:10.000 Let's go, come on, do it! 0.97

00:31:14.000 And so, what is that?

00:31:17.000 Just water, Eckhart.

00:31:19.000 Nearly 20 years, one day at a time, just water.

00:31:22.000 But it definitely was triggered by your description of that whisky.

00:31:28.000 Oh, that's great.

00:31:28.000 So then what that does is, because all the anxiety was your mind continuously creating Anxious states, by thinking anxious thoughts and creating anxious emotions.

00:31:44.000 So that's a burden of the self, living with myself, this problematic self.

00:31:50.000 After the first drink, mind activity slows down a little bit.

00:31:54.000 And you go, oh, it feels a little better.

00:31:56.000 You begin to feel it.

00:31:57.000 Then the second one makes you feel even better.

00:32:00.000 And then you suddenly, maybe you haven't smiled all day, and then suddenly you go, oh, life isn't so bad, is it?

00:32:09.000 It's actually Quite nice.

00:32:11.000 Why is it suddenly a little better?

00:32:13.000 Because the mind is slowing down even more.

00:32:17.000 And so this does not happen in every case.

00:32:20.000 There are some people, but that's another story I don't want to go into right now, some people actually become angry and aggressive when they drink.

00:32:29.000 That's another story.

00:32:30.000 But many, many people experience an ease. Life suddenly feels easier, more pleasant.

00:32:43.000 And then some people start moving or dancing or singing.

00:32:46.000 It's a moment where they're becoming free of this problematic self.

00:32:54.000 And then they think, oh, if I had two or three, then another two, if I had another two or three, I would feel even better.

00:33:03.000 But unfortunately, that does not happen, because if they drink even more, gradually they are moving towards complete unconsciousness.

00:33:12.000 And so there is self-transcendence.

00:33:14.000 That's only one example.

00:33:16.000 Self-transcendence is also other drugs, like the stuff that people smoke.

00:33:22.000 It's legal here now.

00:33:24.000 So you have this dried plant that for a long time was illegal.

00:33:31.000 I mean, it's a bit absurd, people carrying in their pockets leaves of a dried plant and then they get arrested for carrying leaves of a dried plant.

00:33:39.000 Anyway, so you smoke.

00:33:43.000 I tried it, I don't know if I told you, I tried it once because people asking me what's it like, is it the same as meditation?

00:33:50.000 I said I have to try it.

00:33:52.000 So we were in Amsterdam in a hotel and of course that's the ideal place to try, well it was at the time, nowadays it's available elsewhere too.

00:34:00.000 So I tried it and I could see it did something to my mind.

00:34:04.000 I could feel a dulling, a kind of dulling of my mind.

00:34:08.000 It was not as... I would not want to repeat it because my normal state is so much more pleasant.

00:34:16.000 Then I can see why for people who are burdened by this anxious mind or the problem-making mind, the egoic mind, they experience a moment of release.

00:34:29.000 It gives them a glimpse of becoming a bit free of the me, this always anxious or always regretting this or looking, fearing this.

00:34:43.000 All the fear and anxiety subsides for a while.

00:34:46.000 So it's another glimpse of self-transcendence.

00:34:49.000 But again, if you go further, that route, you again move towards unconsciousness.

00:34:55.000 Yes, it can be.

00:34:57.000 I also experimented.

00:34:59.000 No, I didn't experiment.

00:35:00.000 I took it once.

00:35:02.000 Acid, LSD, because people asked me, isn't this the same as meditation?

00:35:07.000 I couldn't answer the questions.

00:35:09.000 I had to try it.

00:35:11.000 So I took some and that was years ago.

00:35:17.000 People experience in different ways.

00:35:19.000 But what I experienced was an enormous intensification of sensory experience.

00:35:25.000 Like everything was, every sense was amplified.

00:35:30.000 Like the sense of smell, the sense of touch, the visual sense, looking at an object.

00:35:36.000 You could see, I could see walls in the room pulsating with energy.

00:35:43.000 And I can see how what it does, it completely removes the thinking mind, and what's left is a pure experiencing of it.

00:35:57.000 The pure sensory experience.

00:35:59.000 It removes the thinking.

00:36:00.000 In that sense, it has certain similarities with the state of presence or the conscious, very conscious state of spiritual presence.

00:36:12.000 Because in spiritual presence also the mind is still, but consciousness remains.

00:36:19.000 The difference between all these things where people seek self-transcendence through drugs or alcohol or even sexual, the intense sexual pleasure will also stop your mind temporarily.

00:36:34.000 Not for too long.

00:36:35.000 Well, it depends.

00:36:37.000 Eckhart!

00:36:38.000 I expect better from you! 0.71

00:36:40.000 I hope it's not like when you're answering questions, like, oh god, when's the orgasm?

00:36:50.000 Goes on for hours!

00:36:55.000 The difference is, when you indulge in those things that give you temporary relief from yourself, you're moving below thought.

00:37:07.000 The thinking dimension is where most people live.

00:37:12.000 Yeah.

00:37:12.000 The voice in the head talks, talks, talks, interprets, judges, criticizes, etc., etc., etc.

00:37:18.000 That's the thinking dimension.

00:37:20.000 You can become free of that mind created self, which is the ego, By moving below thinking.

00:37:28.000 So certain drugs can help you move below thinking.

00:37:34.000 Also you can experience it when you are just about to go to sleep.

00:37:39.000 There's a moment when you're half awake still and half asleep.

00:37:44.000 And in that moment you can sense The nature of sleep is a sweetness that pulls you.

00:37:52.000 It pulls you.

00:37:53.000 And there's nothing left of your problems because you've fallen below thinking.

00:38:00.000 And you suddenly feel so good as you're moving towards sleep.

00:38:04.000 It feels so good.

00:38:05.000 Ah!

00:38:06.000 And then you disappear into sleep.

00:38:09.000 You have moved below thinking.

00:38:12.000 But that's spiritually speaking, there are some similarities with that,

00:38:17.000 which gives you things that give you a glimpse of self transcendence and spiritually awakening,

00:38:24.000 you rise above thinking.

00:38:28.000 But there are some similarities between the two states and the drug induced temporary glimpses that people have

00:38:37.000 can be helpful if you don't get addicted Some people have started their spiritual life by taking acid once or twice or three times and then they started doing meditation and then they didn't need that anymore.

00:38:55.000 The ultimate solution is not for us in falling below thinking.

00:39:02.000 We cannot regress to that.

00:39:08.000 The animals also live in a pre-thinking stage, in a pre-egoic stage.

00:39:14.000 The dog has no self-image.

00:39:17.000 It hasn't arrived at that stage yet.

00:39:19.000 That's why the dog is happy.

00:39:21.000 I've never met a dog that has a problem with body image or problem with self-esteem.

00:39:27.000 Even the ugliest dog is fine.

00:39:30.000 He has no secondary image through which it lives.

00:39:35.000 That's why the dogs are quite happy.

00:39:38.000 They don't have a self.

00:39:40.000 But we can't go back there.

00:39:43.000 Our destiny is the next stage of human evolution.

00:39:47.000 is not to let go of thinking completely, no, thought is the most wonderful tool that there is, but not to seek an identity through the movement of thought.

00:40:00.000 Now Subi has joined us to pass on some of the questions of our audience, and my proposal Subi, having now spent considerable time speaking with Eckhart Tolle over the course of my life, not enough but enough to make this observation, perhaps we could find like 10 questions, ask all of them, And then Eckhart Tolle could answer all of them in his answer, because otherwise if we ask them individually, unless Eckhart Tolle says that Eckhart Tolle is leaving, we will be here indefinitely.

00:40:32.000 I have got about ten, so I can read through them.

00:40:35.000 I think that will work.

00:40:36.000 Eckhart, do you think that will work?

00:40:38.000 If Subhi reads ten questions, and the people that have asked the questions, and then your answer must answer all of them, please.

00:40:45.000 Oh, that's great.

00:40:45.000 I've never tried that before.

00:40:47.000 That's a good idea.

00:40:48.000 Let's try it.

00:40:49.000 Okay, so et3local asks, I hope Eckhart talks about the pain body.

00:40:55.000 Chris West asks, if we all evolve through struggle, are you still evolving Eckhart?

00:41:02.000 Do you still struggle or have you reached a place beyond struggle?

00:41:07.000 Maui asks, how do you handle inescapable situations?

00:41:13.000 How do you stay present and positive when you are literally in the hands of one who wishes you harm?

00:41:20.000 I'm getting all of this.

00:41:23.000 Encopte asks, I'm in chronic physical pain.

00:41:26.000 How do I manage my relationships with others in a way my pain does not take center stage in my relationships as suffering, our suffering?

00:41:37.000 Kitty Ren asks, how about global meditations?

00:41:40.000 Do you think they make an impact and why?

00:41:44.000 Blessed Old Bird asks, what is your sole purpose?

00:41:48.000 She also commented, well they also commented earlier saying that they knew a friend who shaved his dog and the dog acted embarrassed.

00:41:58.000 It was a dog which had very thick coat The dog became self-conscious.

00:42:02.000 That's good.

00:42:03.000 This is a breakthrough question.

00:42:05.000 And maybe one more, and then I will summarise these enquiries for Eckhart into one question.

00:42:09.000 Yeah.

00:42:09.000 Hetty Hope asks, how can we, in our day every day, increase positive spiritual force to awaken each other to understand greed and hatred in ourselves?

00:42:21.000 Okay, so Eckhart, it seems like the ten questions in one that you will be answering is about the pain body, about the concept of struggle, your personal struggle when you find yourself literally trapped in the wrong hands.

00:42:37.000 Does global meditation work?

00:42:39.000 What about chronic physical pain?

00:42:40.000 What is your sole purpose?

00:42:42.000 And can we awaken each other?

00:42:45.000 Go Eckhart!

00:42:49.000 These are all wonderful questions.

00:42:53.000 So the, of course, ultimately the answer to all these questions needs to point to a state of consciousness that you need to bring to whatever life situation you find yourself in.

00:43:13.000 The state of consciousness that You need to bring to your life situation rather than being at the mercy of your life situation, whatever is happening to you in your lifetime, whether it's internally as your pain body, pain body is the term I use,

00:43:33.000 to talk about the accumulation of painful emotions, often going back to childhood.

00:43:40.000 So there's an accumulation in human beings of painful emotion that sometimes is dormant and other times comes up, uses your mind, indulges in drama with other people by feeding on it.

00:43:53.000 And again, the answer to that is stay present with it.

00:43:59.000 Be the observer of your mind and the observer of your emotions.

00:44:03.000 Realize you are not the emotion.

00:44:06.000 You don't say, I am angry.

00:44:08.000 Say, there's anger in me.

00:44:12.000 That may seem like a very insignificant difference of just the use of words, but it's more than that.

00:44:22.000 If you say, I am angry, you and the anger, you're identified with emotion, which means you are lost in it.

00:44:29.000 It has you, you don't have it.

00:44:32.000 And the same with thinking.

00:44:34.000 So, there's anger in me, or I can feel the anger, implies that there is an observing presence.

00:44:42.000 And that's the solution, that there you are free.

00:44:47.000 from being trapped in the anger.

00:44:49.000 The anger may still be there for a while.

00:44:52.000 Sometimes the anger is even helpful if you have to be very careful.

00:44:56.000 It can be a very powerful energy.

00:44:59.000 There may be certain situations where anger Can be briefly applied and it can be helpful, but you need to stay conscious so that it doesn't draw you in.

00:45:10.000 It's better, of course, to deal with situations in other ways than anger.

00:45:15.000 Mostly anger is very unconscious.

00:45:17.000 So stay conscious.

00:45:19.000 Stay conscious.

00:45:20.000 Don't be drawn into the reactivity and so on.

00:45:28.000 Every Am I still evolving was another question.

00:45:32.000 And again, who am I?

00:45:34.000 It's the same.

00:45:37.000 We all come to this.

00:45:38.000 Every answer comes back to the same central point.

00:45:43.000 Who am I in essence?

00:45:46.000 Temporarily, I'm a person with a name.

00:45:49.000 I am a spiritual teacher.

00:45:52.000 When the teaching happens, it's a conceptual identity.

00:45:57.000 I don't carry around a conceptual identity when I'm not in the actual teaching situation.

00:46:03.000 I don't carry around in my head a conceptual identity of myself as a spiritual teacher.

00:46:10.000 Nor do I carry around in my head an identity of myself even as a person of a particular age or gender or whatever.

00:46:19.000 I am consciousness.

00:46:21.000 I'm the animating presence behind form.

00:46:26.000 The mind is still.

00:46:27.000 I know that I'm consciousness, but not conceptually.

00:46:31.000 Am I still evolving?

00:46:33.000 I don't know.

00:46:35.000 Probably.

00:46:37.000 Consciousness is... I don't know all the answers.

00:46:41.000 I only know the answers in a situation when they're actually truly needed.

00:46:47.000 And sometimes not knowing is the most powerful state to be in.

00:46:52.000 Not always thinking.

00:46:53.000 You need to interpret immediately.

00:46:55.000 You need to interpret every situation, every person.

00:46:58.000 Practice being in the state of not knowing and in the state of openness, innocent openness, like a child, but more than that.

00:47:07.000 Jesus said, if you want to enter the kingdom of heaven, You must be like a little child.

00:47:15.000 If you're not like a little child, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

00:47:19.000 What does that mean?

00:47:20.000 It means the child is pre-conceptual.

00:47:23.000 It hasn't started thinking yet.

00:47:26.000 Have you looked into the eyes of, let's say, a one-year-old or six-month-old babies and when they look at you, they go like, There's not a thought in their head, it's just pure consciousness running through their eyes, you can see.

00:47:42.000 And people, when they look into the eyes of the baby, they feel, oh, they feel love.

00:47:47.000 Even people who have a big ego can sometimes have a glimpse of freedom because they can sense the baby is not judging them.

00:47:57.000 The baby is just, they connect with consciousness.

00:48:03.000 And it's a wonderful thing.

00:48:04.000 It is love.

00:48:05.000 The love is there when you don't judge.

00:48:08.000 And so, when I can look at you, Russell, and yes, there's a personality there.

00:48:15.000 Actually, your personality is quite entertaining and pleasant, so I can enjoy you on the level of personality, but I can also sense that behind the personality, there is a presence, there is a consciousness.

00:48:30.000 And that consciousness that I can sense behind your personality, One with my consciousness.

00:48:38.000 There isn't your consciousness and mine.

00:48:40.000 We are both manifestations of the one animating presence that pervades the entire universe.

00:48:47.000 And that recognition is love.

00:48:50.000 But not the emotional love.

00:48:52.000 It's a deeper thing.

00:48:53.000 Yes, yes.

00:48:55.000 So that's, and again, presence.

00:48:58.000 Every answer eventually to the question, eventually, one way or another, leads back to the state of presence or the state of awareness.

00:49:08.000 That's the answer to every question, ultimately.

00:49:11.000 And the solution to every dilemma is to To be rooted in that state of awareness.

00:49:23.000 And then you can begin to use your mind in a much more constructive way.

00:49:29.000 You can use your mind to create things, to manifest things.

00:49:33.000 But there's no longer self-seeking in your mind.

00:49:37.000 Looking for yourself anymore in some narrative.

00:49:40.000 Of course, the story of your life, you really remember it, but that is no longer the main part of your identity.

00:49:49.000 You have found a deeper identity.

00:49:52.000 Jesus, one of my most favorite My favorite parables of Jesus talks about a man who is building a house on the sand.

00:50:07.000 He's building a house and then the floods come and the storms come and the house is swept away because it's built on the sand.

00:50:17.000 And then there's a man who, before building the house, he digs deep Until he reaches the rock, the foundation.

00:50:25.000 And when he reaches the rock, he builds the house on the rock.

00:50:28.000 And the storms come and the floods come and the house is not swept away.

00:50:34.000 And so Jesus said, everybody who listens to my teaching and lives it, He or she is the one who digs deep and builds this house on the rock.

00:50:46.000 And when the life comes at you, the challenges of life come at you, the turbulent events in your personal life and in our collective life, you are rooted in this inner state of awareness, which is the vertical dimension, And there you are at peace even while the world is in turmoil.

00:51:10.000 And not only are you passively at peace while the world is in turmoil, you can also make a conscious contribution to make the world a more conscious place.

00:51:26.000 In whatever way you act upon the world through other human beings or actions you take, The way you communicate with other human beings is done in a conscious manner rather than in a reactive manner.

00:51:44.000 We are going through a period of increasing insanity collectively.

00:51:48.000 It's like an illness, collective illness, mental illness that's overtaken a significant section of humanity. 0.58

00:51:56.000 Sometimes this happens.

00:51:57.000 People go Not only individuals, but also collectives.

00:52:01.000 They go through periods of insanity.

00:52:03.000 And this is what we're moving into now, an area of great turbulence.

00:52:10.000 So the parable of Jesus really becomes very relevant now, because the storms and the floods are coming, both maybe literally and metaphorically.

00:52:22.000 The storms and floods are coming, and they will come into your life also.

00:52:27.000 And that's fine.

00:52:28.000 We are being challenged to wake up so that the egoic consciousness can be transcended and we can move on to the next stage of human evolution.

00:52:40.000 The crisis point is also a great opportunity for moving out of the egoic state.

00:52:45.000 It's been around for thousands of years and it had its function.

00:52:48.000 It's fine.

00:52:49.000 But coming to an end now, it's self-destructing.

00:52:53.000 The ego is about to self-destruct.

00:52:57.000 And so we will experience a great reset, but not in the way it's been planned by certain groups or organizations.

00:53:07.000 They will be very surprised.

00:53:09.000 It will be a very different reset from the one that they may be planning.

00:53:15.000 Yes.

00:53:16.000 I see, Eckhart, now the significance of individual awakening and the impact that it can have

00:53:24.000 on a culture, particularly as it is evident that there is a unitary force of some kind

00:53:29.000 unfolding, unravelling, even as we speak, and that our individual foundation, having

00:53:37.000 a foundation on the permanent rather than the impermanent, temporal and ever-shifting,

00:53:44.000 will be a great asset as these transitions continue to occur.

00:53:49.000 And to your point earlier, Eckhart, this is precisely why I believe I've been drawn again,

00:53:54.000 as I was once earlier in my life, into the concept of activism and critiquing power structures,

00:54:01.000 because the function of our channel is to...

00:54:06.000 Articulate the connection between individual awakening, collective action and our ability when unified to challenge current power systems and create new systems based on this true foundation.

00:54:19.000 So I'm so grateful to you for helping me once again see these connections, see the importance of presence.

00:54:26.000 See the importance of awareness, that my function is to remain present, to learn to observe my emotions as they come up, to observe my patterns that play out, be they behavioral or neurological or whatever magnetic field is below the observable level of my apparent individual beingness.

00:54:44.000 I always say, as I've said again today, that I find you the easiest instantiation of the spiritual, that I find it makes sense to me, the way you communicate it.

00:54:57.000 And I'm very grateful to you for that, Eckhart.

00:54:59.000 Thank you.

00:55:00.000 Thank you.

00:55:01.000 Thank you, Russell.

00:55:04.000 So, your function is to, yes, to question many of these seemingly very unconscious or absurd things that are happening in the world.

00:55:19.000 the narratives that are being created that are sometimes quite insane but you question it without malice, without demonizing any group of people and that's very important because if you see insanity manifesting in certain humans or groups of humans If you demonize them, then you become drawn into the same state of conscience that they are in.

00:55:58.000 As Nietzsche, the famous saying, I think Nietzsche said, if you gaze into the abyss for long enough, the abyss gazes back into you.

00:56:08.000 Or if you fight monsters, be careful that you don't turn into a monster yourself by fighting monsters.

00:56:17.000 You are quite successful in that, so I appreciate that.

00:56:21.000 My mission is somewhat different.

00:56:25.000 I don't, very rarely, maybe never actually questions, specific things that I see as a manifestation of irrational, totally irrational thinking or even insanity.

00:56:43.000 It's a little bit like a good psychologist or psychiatrist, I believe, if they are with a patient who believes in some delusion, let's say they believe that They are Napoleon.

00:57:00.000 A good psychiatrist or psychotherapist would not say, no, obviously you are not Napoleon, because you would immediately lose connection with that person.

00:57:18.000 The novelty to say, yes, you're right, you are, that would be wrong too, to say, yes, you're Napoleon, of course you're Napoleon.

00:57:26.000 No, that's wrong too.

00:57:27.000 All a good psychotherapist would do is Be in that state of openness, perhaps ask questions and listen.

00:57:34.000 Don't deny their reality because then they will no longer communicate with you.

00:57:39.000 And that my function in this world is to be a midwife for the arising of awareness in human beings.

00:57:48.000 And even if a human being is completely deluded in some kind of mental, some kind of totally deluded identity, For example, I would not question their identity because then I lose contact.

00:58:04.000 There's no possibility for helping them to awaken into awareness out of that.

00:58:09.000 So I would simply listen and ask questions perhaps.

00:58:14.000 Then there's a possibility that awareness may arise.

00:58:17.000 So that they're no longer trapped in dysfunctional or completely irrational thought processes, mental patterns.

00:58:27.000 Then there's the possibility of awakening.

00:58:29.000 But that's me because I'm a midwife for the arising of awareness.

00:58:35.000 And you are doing it in a more, not in such a direct way.

00:58:39.000 You're addressing individual instances of madness.

00:58:47.000 Well, we don't know whether it's madness or... There's always the eternal question, all the things that humans, that are happening in the world now, what politicians are doing, what the media are doing, the eternal question that arises, are they evil or malevolent or are they just very stupid? 1.00

00:59:12.000 There are two theories you can have. 0.98

00:59:15.000 Let's, I mean, look at things that happened, like the whole thing, just countless examples.

00:59:21.000 Iraq, invasion of Iraq, the whole story of Afghanistan, just Is there some evil plot behind it all?

00:59:32.000 That's what many people believe.

00:59:34.000 They say it's all been planned.

00:59:36.000 They've been planning it all along.

00:59:40.000 That's one way of looking at it.

00:59:43.000 My way of... I would be more inclined to say... Well, to be polite, one could say they're very unconscious.

00:59:55.000 But to be more blunt, I would say they're just plain stupid. 1.00

01:00:03.000 What they do makes so little sense, and it's so absurd, it can only be... But what kind of stupid is that? 1.00

01:00:13.000 Because these people, they all have their university degrees, I suppose. 1.00

01:00:18.000 Most of these politicians and media people, they have their university degrees. 0.97

01:00:25.000 So it's not necessarily stupid in the sense of not intelligent enough. 1.00

01:00:29.000 There's a deeper stupid than that and that's a complete lack of wisdom. 0.99

01:00:35.000 Wisdom is what we need and wisdom arises out of awareness. 0.99

01:00:39.000 Wisdom is not We do not arrive at wisdom through improving conceptual thinking or knowledge.

01:00:50.000 More knowledge doesn't give you more wisdom.

01:00:53.000 To be able to think conceptually in a better way doesn't give you more wisdom.

01:00:59.000 Wisdom transcends that.

01:01:03.000 Wisdom is a deeper intelligence that arises out of awareness, that can look at the totality of a situation and see what the right course of action is, rather than attack just one thing and think that's what we need to do there.

01:01:21.000 How we've dealt with the pandemic is an example of that.

01:01:25.000 Just attacking this one thing, complete disregard of secondary consequences that may be far worse than the original problem.

01:01:37.000 Economic consequences, psychological consequences, completely unawareness, lack of wisdom, complete lack of wisdom.

01:01:46.000 What humanity needs desperately is wisdom, not an increase of what conventionally we call intelligence.

01:01:54.000 That has its place too, but intelligence without wisdom is actually dangerous.

01:02:00.000 Very dangerous.

01:02:01.000 It becomes destructive and self-destructive.

01:02:05.000 So that's unfortunately where we are.

01:02:09.000 All the weapon systems, biological warfare and all these nuclear weapons require great intelligence to make these things.

01:02:19.000 Obviously, the people who make a nuclear weapon need to be really intelligent.

01:02:25.000 But where's the wisdom?

01:02:28.000 Wisdom is lacking.

01:02:30.000 Wisdom is a word that you don't actually hear very much these days because people don't talk about it.

01:02:39.000 But it's the one thing that will save us.

01:02:42.000 And you can't separate wisdom from awareness.

01:02:45.000 It arises out of awareness.

01:02:49.000 So that's where we need to go. 0.99

01:02:50.000 So when I say stupid, I don't mean necessarily low IQ, because they might have a high IQ and still do totally stupid things and be totally identified with this egoic self, called personal ego and collective ego. 0.99

01:03:08.000 So, yes, I don't exclude. 0.99

01:03:12.000 Obviously, there are interest groups and so on behind the scenes that try to manipulate events.

01:03:19.000 No doubt that is true.

01:03:21.000 But I don't believe that everything has been planned.

01:03:28.000 They just don't... Jesus said on the cross, I love that saying, forgive them for they know not what they do.

01:03:36.000 They know not what they do.

01:03:38.000 In other words, they are completely unconscious.

01:03:41.000 They know not what they do and that's how I see it.

01:03:45.000 Eckhart, thank you so much.

01:03:46.000 That's such a beautiful appraisal and analysis of our contemporary situation.

01:03:50.000 I'm so grateful to you once again for sharing your wisdom, your awareness, your presence.

01:03:56.000 It's always a pleasure to have you here and I hope that I'll get to spend time with you again soon.

01:04:01.000 Thank you, Eckhart.

01:04:03.000 Thank you, Russell.

01:04:04.000 Great to be with you again.

01:04:05.000 Thank you.

01:04:09.000 Well, thanks all of you for joining me for this fantastic conversation with Eckhart Tolle.

01:04:14.000 We do a conversation exactly like this every week.

01:04:17.000 Well, not exactly like this.

01:04:19.000 Sometimes it's with a spiritual leader like Eckhart Tolle.

01:04:21.000 Next time, in fact, we're going to be talking to Jordan Peterson.

01:04:25.000 So imagine that, going from Eckhart Tolle ...to Jordan Peterson via George Orwell.

01:04:31.000 What is the significance of spiritual awakening?

01:04:34.000 What is the significance of educating yourself?

01:04:36.000 What is the significance of ensuring that you are educated enough to confront power?

01:04:41.000 This week with Books with Brad, we're going to conclude our reading of 1984.

01:04:45.000 Later in the week, we're talking to economist Jeffrey Sachs.

01:04:49.000 Him.

01:04:51.000 We're talking to him this week, and in Subcutaneous next week, we're talking to Jordan Pearson, and I'm very keen to talk to him about spirituality, morality, Christianity, the nature of love, the nature of God, and the obligations we have as individuals and as a collective.

01:05:06.000 But you will be able to ask him your questions as well if you are a member of Stay Free AF.

01:05:12.000 See you next time for Subcutaneous, and join us over at Stay Free AF.

01:05:15.000 There's a link in the description.

01:05:17.000 Stay free.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - November 01, 2022

A Great Reset Will Happen…With Guest Eckhart Tolle - #025 - Stay Free with Russell Brand

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