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00:01:39.000to this reporter trying to discern and diagnose anger from the side of someone's head like using it still listen to it like I mean I've been obsessively in love with people over the course of my love life over the course of my life I've been obsessively in love with people but I've I've never, like, scrutinized a person's face, like, trying to discern some sort of real emotion in quite the manner that this CNN reporter scrutinizes Trump, trying to divine anger as if it was some hidden stream being pursued by a rod.
00:02:32.000Look at, like, that, like, also, wouldn't you just freeze someone?
00:02:35.000Like, and actually, one of the ways that I can tell a really good actor in a movie is, you know, sometimes when you press pause in a movie, not for any nefarious or onanistic reason, you're just pausing it because you do now, the same way as you watch everything with subtitles on now, the way the world's all changed and everything.
00:02:48.000Do you watch everything with subtitles?
00:03:23.000It might have started as a misdemeanor, but by God, we're going to amplify it.
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00:03:30.000It's either amplify this to a felony or address the fact that our political movement offers no meaningful alternatives to systemic corruption.
00:03:37.000And we ain't going to be doing that anytime soon.
00:03:39.000Yeah, if you pause a film, you can tell.
00:03:40.000Like, say if you pause Daniel Day-Lewis, probably at any moment in there will be blood.
00:04:10.000Any one of those, you pause me, I'm conveying exactly the right emotion.
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00:05:08.000If we're far right, he's got, I don't know where he is on that particular spectrum.
00:05:13.000He has the honour of being known by The Guardian as the most prolific spreader of disinformation.
00:05:17.000So let's, while we're having this conversation, carefully observe and pay attention to make sure he's not misinformationing us right where it hurts.
00:05:26.000All right, Aaron, it's good to see you.
00:05:37.000Straight after you, we're going to be speaking to Oswald Mosley, the far-right British politician from the 1940s and the starter of the Brownshirt movement.
00:05:48.000Mate, we wanted to talk to you actually about the expansion of NATO.
00:05:54.000Finland recently joining NATO and also the sort of broad framing of NATO as a force for good in the world.
00:06:03.000And if you wouldn't mind tying that all into the sort of current show trial of Donald Trump and how the exaggeration of these misdemeanors into felonies is a convenient way to maintain a convenient framing of American politics at a time when perhaps we could be looking at more important geopolitical issues.
00:06:24.000Well, the indictment of Trump ties into issues like the expansion of NATO because back when Trump first broke into the political scene in 2015-2016, one of the things that he was saying that really freaked out the political establishment in the U.S.
00:06:42.000was that he was questioning the existence of NATO.
00:06:45.000Uh, and people couldn't believe he, someone could possibly in the political spectrum say such a thing.
00:06:52.000And I think that was one of the factors in all this freak out about Trump and all the motivation to then paint him as a Russian agent is because he was actually saying things that you're not supposed to say, uh, inside respectable NATO state politics.
00:07:08.000And, uh, we've seen now in the real world, the results of NATO and this drive to expand it in this proxy war in Ukraine.
00:07:20.000The fact we're having this war now is an outgrowth of a, you know, three-decade-long policy of pushing NATO to Russia's borders, trying to bring in states like Ukraine and Georgia, and doing so despite pledges to the Soviet Union at the end of the Cold War that we're not going to expand NATO one more inch to the east, and that's been violated, and that's a major reason why we have this war today.
00:07:43.000So, Finland joining the club is just one more provocation.
00:07:48.000It's not to me as serious as the attempt to bring Ukraine in, because Ukraine has an actual historical tie to Russia.
00:07:55.000There are millions of people inside Ukraine who consider themselves to be ethnic Russians.
00:08:04.000And Russian officials have long warned that any attempt to bring Ukraine into NATO would put Russia in a bad position because basically, as William Burns, the then ambassador to the US, wrote back in 2008, if Ukraine joins NATO, Russia feared that that would trigger a civil war and that would force Russia to intervene on the side of people who support Russia.
00:08:25.000And that's pretty much what has happened.
00:08:27.000And so Finland joining NATO, I don't think is Something Russia is too concerned about, but certainly expanding NATO's borders to Russia does increase the tensions.
00:08:40.000And the idea that NATO is supposed to be defensive is just, as you've talked about, is a joke.
00:08:44.000I mean, look at its recent record, destroying Libya, invading Afghanistan.
00:08:51.000They have an explicit relationship with the military-industrial complex.
00:08:55.000states. That's the real nature of NATO. The idea that it's there to protect people is just
00:09:00.000completely undermined by its own record. RAOUL PAL: They have an explicit relationship with the
00:09:05.000military industrial complex. Is there any evidence that they are involved in the brokerage of arms
00:09:12.000deals that they facilitate that an expansion of NATO somehow leads to the expansion of the
00:09:17.000military industrial complex? Also, Aaron, I just want to say that is fascinating. When Trump,
00:09:25.000He's not something I blithely support.
00:09:27.000I enjoy him as an establishment wrecking ball, I do have to say.
00:09:32.000But when he sort of mentions something like, you know, don't have to be in NATO, there's something that I enjoy about that kind of anarchic and sort of outsider perspective.
00:09:43.000So yeah, I just wonder if you can just talk about NATO's relationship with the military-industrial complex and the possibility of disbanding NATO.
00:09:51.000Yeah, well, on Trump, I mean, that's why elites hate him so much.
00:09:56.000Not because he's actually a threat to their agenda, but sometimes he blurts out the wrong things.
00:10:00.000So he'll question the existence of NATO, while still policy-wise, he encourages NATO states to spend more on the military-industrial complex.
00:10:09.000So policy-wise, he pretty much continued the NATO agenda, but sometimes, occasionally, he'll speak the truth.
00:10:17.000Also, in Syria, for example, when he announced that US troops were staying after he initially tried to withdraw them, he said, we're staying to take the oil.
00:10:29.000And that's why there's constantly attempts to undermine him, not because he's actual policy-wise, he's a threat to the conventional agenda, but because sometimes he just speaks out of turn.
00:10:40.000And yes, in terms of NATO's relationship with the military-industrial complex, If you look at the multiple rounds of NATO expansion.
00:10:48.000And how that's been received in the US Congress, which has to vote to approve these expansions.
00:10:53.000Every time that happens, there's a massive influx of lobbying money by the military-industrial complex in support of NATO expansion, because the military-industrial complex recognizes that NATO expansion is hugely profitable for them.
00:11:07.000Back in the 1990s, there was a lobby group in the US called the Committee to Expand NATO, or something like that.
00:11:14.000And it was headed by a guy named Bruce Jackson.
00:11:16.000But that wasn't Bruce Jackson's only job.
00:11:18.000Bruce Jackson's day job was that he was a vice president at Lockheed Martin.
00:11:23.000So he recognized that expanding NATO was very good for Lockheed Martin.
00:11:28.000So yes, I mean, because if you expand NATO, your military has to be up to NATO standards, which means spending billions and billions of dollars on weapons.
00:11:52.000He's there to sell the public on the need to spend more money on weapons.
00:11:58.000Aaron, you know, Russia arrested that Wall Street Journal reporter, Evan Gerskovich, and the Biden administration are up in arms saying you can't just arrest journalists and put them in prison without trial.
00:12:13.000You can't just use the Espionage Act as a catch-all way of arresting people of dissident voices that you don't agree with or approve of.
00:12:21.000What do you make of that while dear old Julian Assange is banged up in Belmarsh here in Blighty and dear Edward Snowden abides in exile in Russia?
00:12:36.000I mean, yes, I mean, I think this arrest of this Wall Street Journal happened just as Assange marked 1,000 days inside Belmarsh, this maximum security gulag inside Britain.
00:12:50.000And that was on top of all the years he spent locked up in the Ecuadorian embassy because he couldn't leave, or else he would be Put in prison then.
00:12:59.000So yes, of course, it's massively hypocritical.
00:13:01.000It's a joke to see NATO state leaders in the US and UK and elsewhere complain about the arrest of this Wall Street Journal reporter.
00:13:10.000And it's just like, I can't even think about a song sometimes it's so depressing.
00:13:15.000I don't know how you feel about it but it's so depressing.
00:13:18.000It's like I have to try and think there must be something I'm not understanding about this because otherwise it shows that aside from aesthetics We do live in a kind of banalised tyranny, because otherwise you wouldn't be able to put journalists in prison without trial and claim it was somehow legitimate.
00:13:39.000So yeah, I went to see Julian Assange when he was in that embassy.
00:13:44.000He later described that in his diaries as the worst day of his incarceration.
00:13:49.000I'm in touch with Julian Assange's wife, and I feel like it's, in a way, I hold on to the idea of Assange and Snowden when I'm attacked for being far-right or a conspiracy theorist, because they're kind of the ace, aren't they?
00:14:10.000You know your liberal, righteous agenda?
00:14:13.000What is it doing about this, and why can't it address it?
00:14:17.000It's kind of a Vulcan death grip on their bullshit, because they have to sort of go, They have to sort of shut down the debate there.
00:14:26.000And that's when you know what the establishment is.
00:14:28.000So I suppose, aside from the sort of deep personal agony that they as a family and the individuals must be facing, I feel that they are sort of avatars of what the reality of our sort of deep state corruption is.
00:14:45.000I mean, no one in the world has done more to expose state crimes than Julian Assange.
00:14:49.000And Forest Services, rather than being given every journalistic award in the world, which he deserves, he's being caged in a gulag with no sign of him being able to get out.
00:15:02.000I think the plan From those torturing him and imprisoning him, it's just to hold him for as long as they can behind bars and hope he dies behind bars.
00:15:16.000especially is totally complicit in this.
00:15:18.000There are sometimes, you know, establishment journals speak up in defense of Julian, but not nearly to the level that they should be.
00:15:24.000And they still run all these smear pieces That take part in the propaganda effort to demonize him and so it and we're all just sitting by and watching it happen as you know this the most important Journalist in I think in Western history is being murdered tortured It's it's just unbelievable.
00:15:45.000And so yes, so what Russia has done to this Wall Street Journal reporter is By all accounts, it looks terrible.
00:15:53.000I do, though, have to question the wisdom of his editors who sent this reporter to a really sensitive Russian military industrial complex site and asking questions of people.
00:16:05.000They must have known that this would arouse suspicion from Russian authorities and would possibly put this reporter in danger.
00:16:12.000So, I hope, of course, that he's freed Uh, you know, immediately.
00:16:17.000But I do have to question the wisdom of whoever sent him to this really sensitive site to ask these questions, especially at a time of such high tensions between the U.S.
00:16:25.000People are going to be used as pawns to negotiate for the release of other prisoners, and it looks like this Wall Street Journal reporter has gotten caught up in that.
00:16:33.000Yeah, well, you would say that, Aaron, because you are a conspiracy theorist and you never miss an opportunity to attack the establishment.
00:16:41.000Aaron, I'm going to have to wrap it up there.
00:16:42.000It's always fantastic to speak with you.
00:16:44.000Thank you for your honesty and your wisdom and your ongoing integrity.
00:17:39.000It's Brian McDermott, former Premier League manager and my personal friend who has recently just joined NATO.
00:17:46.000He's being militarised even as you speak.
00:17:48.000Raytheon and Lockheed Martin are putting missiles all up and down the nape of his neck and they're... I'm sorry to say that they're aimed at Russia.
00:17:56.000So that's going to provoke even more problems.
00:17:59.000You can come and see me talking to Brian McDermott about his recent membership of NATO on Saturday, April 15th.
00:18:16.000Hey, listen, thank you very much for joining us, Gareth.
00:18:20.000Let people know Brian McDermott and a bit of context there or?
00:18:23.000Yeah he's going to be talking about, alright I will.
00:18:25.000Brian McDermott used to play for Arsenal, top flight football club.
00:18:28.000He managed Reading when they got to the Premier League.
00:18:31.000He managed Leeds, one of the biggest clubs in this country and he's talking about mental health, winning and losing and how our framing of success is built on materialistic and individualistic notions.
00:18:42.000Rather than on community and connection.
00:18:45.000And from his personal experience as a top flight athlete and manager, he tells us that winning and losing have to be accepted as part of life.
00:18:53.000And you can't tether your identity to external success and plaudits.
00:18:57.000You have to find a deeper connection with meaning and purpose.
00:19:11.000They're not fools, these people, are they?
00:19:14.000Hey, thank you very much for joining us for the show.
00:19:16.000We've got one more show this week before we take a little well-deserved break, but we'll continue to put out content every single day while our Lord Jesus Christ is resurrected As if by magic, something beyond magic, the miraculous.
00:19:31.000Almost as if there is a field of unmanifest energy that can be channeled and directed by us if we are able to overcome the limitations of the self.