In this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand, host Russell Brand sits down with Aaron Siri, managing partner at Siri & Glavsted LLP, a law firm specializing in complex civil litigation, to discuss vaccine mandates, the lack of clinical trials, and the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines.
00:03:16.000In this video, you're going to see the future.
00:03:31.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:03:34.000It's a very special show with an amazing interview.
00:03:37.000Let me, before I get into explaining my guest as if he could ever be explained, I'm going to tell you that for the first 15 minutes we're going to be available on YouTube.
00:03:46.000But then you're going to have to click the link in the description because what we're talking about is too contentious and explosive to be streamed on media outlets that are primarily about curating your appreciation of reality.
00:03:59.000We're going to be talking about vaccine mandates.
00:04:01.000We're going to be talking about the lack of clinical trials on transmission and even potentially the use of aborted fetal tissues in vaccines.
00:04:09.000You can see why that's the only, the kind of subject that can only be discussed safely on Rumble.
00:04:29.000Let me introduce today's guest to you.
00:04:31.000Any fans of the film Erin Brockovich will know that not all lawyers are fundamentally and by their nature evil.
00:04:38.000Once in a while, the universe will throw out a lawyer for righteousness and for justice.
00:04:44.000We don't know how these people are created.
00:04:47.000These people who, like Saul, become Paul, who have the scales fall from their eyes and become prophets of truth and justice.
00:04:55.000Aaron Siri is one such man, managing partner at Siri and Glimsted LLP, specialising in complex civil litigation, most notably fighting against Supreme, all the way to the Supreme Court against mandates, ensuring that the CDC released data that they were trying ensuring that the CDC released data that they were trying to keep secret, and also ensuring that sexy babies don't need to be injected with hepatitis B, a disease that they can only catch through coitus and through shared needles, which would seem to be a pretty unnecessary
00:05:21.000be a disease that they can only catch through coitus and through shared needles, which would seem to be a pretty unnecessary vaccination, except for the most, well, unless those babies are finding their way into the wrong company, I would consider that to be an unnecessary inoculation.
00:05:37.000It's my great privilege to introduce my friend and our guest today, Aaron Siri.
00:05:43.000Thank you so much for joining us today, Aaron.
00:05:46.000It was such a joy to spend a bit of time with you, and I'm very excited to see how the kind of high-profile cases you fought may subsequently, due to your affiliation, shall we call them, affect the way that America is governed in the next affect the way that America is governed in the next administration.
00:06:05.000Now, I know that you're very good, Aaron, at helping people to understand precisely what went on in the pandemic period and what was revealed to us.
00:06:13.000One of the things you explained to me that was beautiful is if I was always assiduous about observing the profit motive, I would understand a lot more about how the pharmaceutical industry conducts its business.
00:06:27.000First off, could you just tell us a little bit about some of your most famous victories?
00:06:33.000For example, getting the CDC to release data that they wanted to conceal.
00:06:40.000Notably, it was you that I think brought to public attention the fact that Pfizer were granted 75 years of protections against the revelation of their clinical trial data, and also you publicly fought against mandates all the way up to the Supreme Court.
00:06:56.000Can you tell us a little bit, I suppose, about how you've become the Erin Brockovich of anti-Big Pharma?
00:07:07.000I can tell you about a few of the lawsuits that we've done.
00:07:10.000One of them you mentioned was fighting with the FDA to get the clinical trial documents that they relied upon to license Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.
00:07:18.000Remember, they said they did a thorough and complete review of those documents.
00:07:24.000But yet when we wanted a copy of them to release them to the public so the public could take a look at them, They said they needed to reduce them at a rate of a few hundred pages a month, which would have taken at least 75 years to make public.
00:07:39.000If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it?
00:07:42.000We've also represented like 17 members of Congress challenging mask mandates on planes.
00:07:47.000We represented and got injunction against the U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Army who tried to kick off folks who don't COVID-19 vaccine.
00:07:54.000We fought COVID-19 vaccine mandates across country, including California.
00:07:59.000We fought to release Fauci's email, some of which you saw on the news.
00:08:03.000You know, at the end of the day, Russell, you know, For everybody out there who might love every vaccine and you love masks, you love stay-at-home orders, that's great, right?
00:08:13.000You should be able to get whatever product you want, but if the day comes that you don't want one of those products, And you can't leave your home without getting one of them, and you can't get a job, and you can't go to school, and you can't participate in civil society, you will realize how critically important it is to not cede your right to decide what is injected and put on your body to the government.
00:08:39.000You point out that there is a requirement for virtue and for truly tethered principles.
00:08:46.000Even with the recent revelation that Hunter Biden will be pardoned, you start to realise that the law, far from being, in many cases, a set of objective principles that remain the same regardless of who they're being applied to, The law itself has been utilised, and it seems that that utility is granted particularly to members of the elite or elite organisations.
00:09:11.000Is it that groups like Pfizer, Moderna, these powerful entities and their relationships with supposed regulatory bodies have managed to somehow bypass, weaponise, if not weaponise, certainly utilise the law, Aaron?
00:09:26.000How are they able to do that when the law is meant to be a kind of An irrefutable object, a set of principles that remain static somehow.
00:09:36.000Yeah, there's two powerful forces that are in tension, okay?
00:09:40.000On the one hand, you have those who have incredible financial interests, and they also have the money, they have the organization, they have the long game to try and get what they want.
00:09:52.000For example, most agencies are, I think, created with Mel, meaning legislative members of Congress or in the United Kingdom, members of parliament.
00:10:58.000The other side is that their cultural cognition, what the public actually Thinks about an issue, can't have an impact if it's widespread enough, if the public rises up enough.
00:11:09.000An example that I can give is gay marriage.
00:11:13.000So in the United States, gay marriage was never going to be found to be a constitutional right by the United States Supreme Court in the 1800s.
00:11:19.000Not in 1910, not in 1920, not in 1930. At some point, that changed.
00:11:54.000What was the United States born in opposition to?
00:11:57.000It was born out of this idea that individual rights, the right for you to say what you want, assemble with who you want, practice the religion you want, those come with dangers.
00:12:08.000Letting people say what they want, there are dangers with that.
00:12:14.000But that the greater danger is ceding those rights.
00:12:18.000To some central authority, whether it's a king, a dictator, some committee, that that is always the greatest danger because once you see those rights, you rarely get them back.
00:12:29.000And that central authority always ends up abusing that power.
00:12:35.000And so, you know, all of the work that you asked about earlier, it all really comes down to that central principle.
00:12:41.000Often those rights are seeded in states of varying crises.
00:12:46.000Subsequent to 9-11, people were willing to accept a degree of intrusion into their privacy.
00:12:51.000And of course, during the pandemic period, When most of us believed we were in the midst of a significant health crisis, people, to an astonishing degree, were willing to cede their rights when it came to staying in their home, near mandates or actual mandates in some professions of medications that previously I reckon people might have been a little more circumspect about.
00:13:17.000Everywhere I went, I won't talk about the social situation in which we met in case it's not appropriate, but in that social environment, Person after person was telling me, you've got to talk to Aaron.
00:13:29.000He understands how this situation works.
00:13:30.000He understands what went on in the pandemic.
00:13:32.000He understands the power of Big Pharma.
00:13:35.000He knows how they're rigging the game.
00:13:36.000He understands it and he's bought receipts.
00:13:38.000Can you help us to understand how unique vaccines are and what happens to a product when it is granted legal indemnity?
00:13:50.000Yeah, the impact of giving vaccines, if we're focusing on vaccines, the impact of giving vaccines Immunity for liability for injuries, meaning the companies that sell them, those participating in injecting them, has an incredible and extraordinary effect.
00:14:09.000And I think it creates a market distortion that really puts vaccines in a unique box vis-a-vis any other product out there.
00:14:17.000When you think about products on the market, whether they're planes, cars, drugs, chainsaws, knives, anything out there, how do they become safer?
00:14:32.000Why does the company care that they're safe?
00:14:34.000Why does the company properly test them before they go to market?
00:14:37.000Why is the company watching safety after market?
00:14:39.000Because at the end of the day, companies have an economic interest to make money.
00:14:46.000That is what their fiduciary duty is to their shareholders.
00:14:50.000When you see class action securities lawsuits and they're suing the board members and they're suing the CEO and they're suing the company, what's it about?
00:14:57.000It's about the fact that the company didn't take appropriate actions to protect their assets, to make appropriate profits.
00:15:03.000You know, they breached fiduciary duties.
00:15:05.000That is what will drive corporations' conduct.
00:15:09.000So when you take away the fundamental manner in which we assure products safety, economic interests of a company, Again, you get a very, very different result.
00:15:22.000And you can see that clearly, for example, with the contrast between how drugs are clinical trials versus vaccines are clinical trials.
00:15:31.000Drug manufacturers, they want to know before their drug goes to market whether that product is safe.
00:15:35.000Because if it does, and it hurts a million people, well, they're going to end up upside down very quickly on making money on that drug.
00:15:43.000With vaccines, They don't have to worry about it in most parts of the world, actually, and the United States in particular, because they can't be sued, for the most part, for injuries caused by vaccines.
00:15:55.000And I'm not just talking about co-vaccines.
00:15:56.000I'm talking about most vaccines, and I can explain to you how that happened, and I can even show you a chart that compares the trials between drugs and vaccines, if you'd like.
00:16:09.000Well, I'll start with I guess I'll start with, you know, where did the immunity vaccines even come from?
00:16:16.000This conversation is about to get very complicated and it's the sort of thing that will get censored on YouTube.
00:16:21.000So if you want to see the rest of the conversation where we talk about the use of aborted fetuses, where we talk about autism and vaccines, where we talk about the degree of corruption that appears to be taking place between groups like the FDA and big pharma countries.
00:16:37.000But, you know, sometimes I want to click the link in the description.
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00:16:43.000You know, and a lot of people say to me, you know, there are conspiracies around vaccines and it's, you know, there's no, I don't think there's a, some kind of really, you don't have to go into some crazy thought patterns about vaccines to get to a dark place.
00:17:00.000To understand the problem of vaccines, you just have to understand basic economics, in my opinion, okay?
00:17:05.000So in the early 1980s in the United States and in most parts of the world, there were only three routine vaccines, DTP, MMR, and OPV. That's it.
00:17:19.000That was the sum total of our childhood schedule and of the adult schedule and of the pregnancy schedule, since there were no adult routine vaccines and there were no pregnancy vaccines back then.
00:17:30.000And what was happening was every manufacturer of those three products either stopped making them or went out of business because of the injuries, because of the financial liability that was occurring from the injuries caused by those products.
00:17:44.000Now, for any other product, when it hurts people, what does a company have to do?
00:17:51.000Your plane falls out of the sky, make a better plane.
00:17:53.000Your drug hurts people, make a better drug, right?
00:17:56.000But in this instance, Congress in its wisdom decided, United States Congress decided, instead of forcing them to do what every other company has to do, instead of letting the economic interest do what it does, make a better product, instead it said, you know what?
00:18:13.000You can keep selling your products that's harming kids.
00:18:15.000We're just going to give you immunity so nobody can sue you.
00:18:17.000And Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccines Act of 1986 that basically gave these manufacturers immunity, but not just for those three vaccines.
00:18:28.000Gave them immunity to liability for virtually, for almost any other vaccine they made thereafter, including all childhood vaccines.
00:18:36.000And with that, you see the explosion in the vaccine schedule.
00:18:40.000Now, some might say, well, maybe that's a good thing.
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00:21:28.000And which we're looking at is a summary of the clinical trial relied upon to license each of these products before they went to market.
00:21:34.000So when you look at Enbrel, it had a safety follow-up in its clinical trial before it went to market for 6.6 years against a placebo-controlled group.
00:21:48.000Essentially what that means is you're comparing a group that got this product when it was experimental, before it was licensed, with a group that gets a placebo.
00:21:56.000Over a multi-year period, and then you're comparing.
00:21:59.000Are there any neurological differences, immunological differences, cardiovascular issues?
00:22:04.000What is the difference in the safety profile between the placebo group and the vaccinated group?
00:22:31.000It was a different vaccine, Prevnar 7. Now, you might say, hey, hey, maybe Prevnar 7 was properly licensed in a long-term placebo-controlled trial, but that's not the case.
00:22:42.000It wasn't, and we'll go through that in a minute.
00:22:46.000But keep in mind, I'll zoom out now, and we'll take a look now at the childhood vaccines.
00:22:52.000And these are the vaccines given in the first six months in the United States, three times each.
00:22:57.000And what you're looking at now is the safety follow-up period that safety was reviewed after injection to these products in the clinical trial and the control that was used.
00:23:07.000Now, I... The first time I saw this, or if I saw this, I'd say no way.
00:24:21.000So for anyone that's listening to this, it's just this audio.
00:24:24.000On one side, there's Pfizer's top five selling drugs of all time.
00:24:27.000On the other side, vaccines in the first six months of their commercial life.
00:24:33.000The drug side of it, the follow-up side is 6.6 years, 7.4 years, and the one vaccine is a six-month follow-up, so that starts to raise alarm bells.
00:24:44.000And on the side of the vaccines, there's a Hep B inoculation offered by Merck, and I don't know what many of these terms mean.
00:24:51.000I know that you, obviously, Aaron, know them inside out.
00:24:53.000IPV and a drug called Hib by Merck, a DTAP, Prevnar 13 from Pfizer.
00:25:00.000In each of these cases, it's a matter of days, or at most months, for the safety follow-up.
00:25:06.000And I suppose what you're explaining to us, Aaron, is that once the companies were disincentivised through immunity to provide products that were safe, they recognised they had a whole new market that was free from punitive consequence, so they disproportionately created products in that area because they knew their margins would grow,
00:25:27.000Because they had immunity, even in the event that these products were not successful, as well as near mandates for some of those products.
00:26:07.000The government's going to take our money and promote it for you to get a guaranteed market Guaranteed immunity, government promotion, I think you just summed it up as well, which is completely pharma saw incredible opportunity.
00:26:21.000Your vaccine portfolio is very tight, but once it falls from multiple Portions of many of these pharma companies revenue stream and it's only growing because they understand they can sell this product risk-free with a guaranteed market and they push for mandates.
00:26:52.000So a sensible piece of legislation might be to end that immunity.
00:27:02.000Yes, that would be extraordinarily sensible, which is just let these products operate in the same exact environment as every other product out there.
00:27:13.000In the United States, a lot of times, guns have immunity liability for injuries, but even there, it's only the commission of a crime or a wrongful act.
00:27:24.000You could still sue a gut manufacturer for design defect claims saying that they could have been made safer and various other claims.
00:27:38.000Hepatitis B vaccine, the two given to babies were licensed in 1986 and 1989. It's now been, oh, I don't know, over 30 years of them telling us they're safe, assuring us they're safe.
00:28:07.000They can't make a lot of money off of them, but yet those can survive in an economic environment where you can still sue the manufacturer of those drug products.
00:28:15.000Here, a product you give guaranteed millions of individuals every single year, you can't make a profit from unless you have immunity liability, that should be very concerning.
00:28:28.000So yes, it would be very sensible, and you've got to ask yourself why they won't do it, despite, by the way, bill after bill being proposed over the years to repeal that immunity.
00:28:38.000Yes, I mean, I suppose if the people with the most authority and power were the same people that one way or another, indirectly or directly, benefited from that immunity, then there would be no real incentive to end that immunity if their interests aligned significantly or sufficiently.
00:28:58.000But that would amount to a degree of corruption, Aaron, that I find difficult to even contemplate.
00:29:05.000Or some might view that and say, that's just good business.
00:29:08.000They use the tools, they use the advantages they have to make as much money as they have.
00:29:15.000And unfortunately, That is why the stopgap has to always be the ability for an individual to say no.
00:29:33.000And that is, you know, what we saw so acutely, especially during the last few years, is that right come into sharp tension with what the government wanted.
00:29:42.000You know, Mandates, really, when you think about mandates, coercion, they're only really necessary when the government wants you to do something that is probably problematic.
00:29:54.000Otherwise, persuade you on the merits.
00:30:00.000I mean, I suppose coming at this as I am from a media perspective, what I recall is that during the period where vaccinations were being encouraged, there was a near hysterical assurances that were we not to take these products, we were irresponsible socially.
00:30:17.000That we would be causing more vulnerable people to get ill, even if you don't want to take it for yourself, a lot of the messaging said, you should be taking it for other vulnerable people.
00:30:26.000That you are selfish, that if you didn't take the vaccine, you shouldn't be treated in a hospital.
00:30:30.000All of this seems to have been forgotten.
00:30:33.000And yet, when we found out, and the way I personally found out, was there was a conversation, I think, at the EU, where someone like a Dutch politician said, no, there were never any clinical trials for transmission.
00:30:43.000No, it was a Pfizer executive just sort of blithely announced it.
00:30:47.000It sort of seemed to just, I don't know, melt into the ethereal ongoing narrative that we should be incredibly forgiving when it comes to what went on in that pandemic period.
00:30:59.000The whole stop the spread argument, Aaron, was there any basis for it at all?
00:31:05.000The vaccine was never tested, clinical trial, for whether or not it stopped transmission.
00:31:10.000And by the way, that's true for pretty much all vaccines.
00:31:27.000Because when you look at respiratory viruses and respiratory vaccines, they don't stop transmission pretty much.
00:31:34.000And many of them don't stop transmission.
00:31:38.000So when you look at some of the raw data regarding other vaccines, it shouldn't have been very surprising.
00:31:44.000You're trying to inject something in the arm that often will create systemic immunity, immunity in your blood, IgG antibodies.
00:31:51.000To try and create mucosal immunity, immunity in your lungs, IgA antibodies.
00:31:56.000And that crossover typically does not happen in science.
00:32:01.000So it should have started with, well, this is almost certainly not going to create immunity transmission.
00:32:07.000And I could walk through some of the other vaccines as well.
00:32:11.000You know, if I was one of your audience members, I might be saying, I still don't believe five days of safety review for the clinical trials.
00:32:19.000And, you know, if you want, I could pull up the FDA website and I could show you one or two of those just so that folks at home are watching this.
00:32:27.000Actually believe it, because I wouldn't believe it without seeing it personally.
00:32:30.000So this is the FDA's own website, their own information, in which it's made explicitly clear that the follow-up for some of these vaccines is just five days.
00:32:41.000So if they go and see someone, if they check in on someone five days later, and they're not coughing up blood, their project is declared a success.
00:32:53.000But the way to think about it is this.
00:32:55.000When you want to license a product, you have to do a clinical trial.
00:32:59.000And why are clinical trials so critically important?
00:33:02.000They're critically important because it's the only time that's considered ethical with a vaccine to give one group the vaccine and one group nothing, a placebo, and then compare them.
00:33:12.000Because once it's licensed, they say, oh, it's unethical to withhold the vaccine now from any child.
00:33:18.000so the clinical trial is critically important to show the safety because after licensure all you can really do are what's known as retrospective epidemiological study okay and they will tell you the epidemiologists and the scientific community will tell you you can't prove causation with those studies you can just show correlation not causation how do you prove causation if i come to somebody comes to our firm and says hey You know, I believe this product caused this injury and I want to show causal connection.
00:33:50.000So that's why the clinical trials are so critical.
00:33:52.000And those safety review periods that we just looked at and the controls, okay, those are from the clinical trials.
00:33:59.000When you want to license a product, the company that wants to license it conducts the clinical trial, not the FDA, not any European or UK health authorities.
00:34:19.000How do you evaluate whether a clinical trial is good?
00:34:21.000Number one, how long did you review safety?
00:34:24.000If you didn't look at it long enough, you got a baby.
00:34:26.000You only followed in the clinical trial safety for five days.
00:34:30.000Most immune issues might not come up for a few years of age, like asthma.
00:34:34.000Developmental issues for numerous years of age.
00:34:36.000Even like autoimmunity, think about it like this.
00:34:40.000If I give you a vaccine and I say you're going to get immunity to a certain antigen in the product, that will often, they tell you, take many weeks or months.
00:34:47.000So if you're going to have self-attacking antibodies, that will at least take weeks or months, not five days.
00:34:51.000It's not going to show up in five days.
00:34:56.000Second, what are you comparing it against?
00:34:57.000Because even if I review safety for a long time, but I don't have a placebo control group or another control group where I really understand the safety profile, how do I know it's safe?
00:35:15.000I hope I'm not boring your audience with this.
00:35:17.000The third criteria is you've got to have enough people to what epidemiologists call it has to be well-powered.
00:35:23.000Because if you don't have enough people, then you're not going to detect signals.
00:35:27.000If you only have a few thousand kids, well, then you're only going to detect conditions that happen, you know, one in a thousand, one in a few hundred, meaning you're not going to catch rare things.
00:35:36.000And when you're injecting this into millions of kids, And it requires giving often, let's say, 8,000, 9, 20, 30,000 vaccines to prevent one case of disease.
00:35:46.000Well, you better be safer than that number.
00:35:50.000So if the number two treat is 20,000 injections to stop one adverse event from the underlying disease, well, you better make sure the product's safer than one in 20,000 adverse events.
00:36:00.000So you got to be properly powered for that.
00:36:02.000Okay, with that said, what we're going to look at is what was the clinical trial What were the features of the clinical trial that the company relied upon, excuse me, that the FDA relied upon to license this product?
00:37:06.000The first one, Recombevax EHB, is the first, the one that was licensed.
00:37:10.000It was licensed actually in 1986. And when we pull up the package insert, and I don't know what it's like in the UK or in other parts of the world, but in the United States, When you get a drug, there's usually a piece of paper in the box.
00:38:27.000And right here, we will see this is all of the text of section 6.1.
00:38:31.000These were the reactions reported in the clinical trial.
00:38:35.000Section 6.2 is the post-marketing safety.
00:38:38.000So this sentence summarizes the clinical trial relied upon to license this product 434 doses were administered to 147 infants and children up to 10 years of age who were monitored for 5 days after each dose.
00:38:58.000So that The product's been issued after it's only been given to 147 kids, and they've done less than 500 doses, and their follow-up period is five days.
00:39:09.000That's not even really a clinical trial.
00:39:11.000I reckon I could get together a trial of that standard from previous partners.
00:39:34.000And I will tell you, the first time I saw this, I actually said, it can't be.
00:39:38.000It cannot be that a product that you're going to inject into millions of babies is licensed based on five days of safety monitoring after injection, that there's got to be more.
00:39:47.000So we actually submitted something called a Freedom of Information Act request, a FOIA request.
00:39:52.000That's a law in the United States that allows us to get documents from the federal government here.
00:39:57.000And I asked, we asked on behalf of our client, the informed consent action network ICANN, we asked for all of the clinical trial reports that were submitted to license, thinking there's got to be more in there.
00:40:13.000And in fact, we then even petitioned the FDA and the formal docketing system that Merck and Pfizer and companies used to license or to modify licensures to say, hey, you know, Congress said you should only license products that are shown to be safe.
00:40:28.000Now, we can debate whether the safety review period, how many kids need to be, and what the control should be, right?
00:40:34.000We can debate those things maybe in the margins.
00:40:36.000Should it be 100,000 kids, 50,000 kids?
00:40:39.000Should it be five years, three years, but five days with 147 kids?
00:40:47.000It's utterly and completely used to determining safety.
00:40:51.000So the company, they did this and Merck got this on the market with the absolute minimal safety data that they could obtain.
00:41:00.000And if somebody out there will say to you, well, Maybe they already knew it was safe because, and these are the arguments I often hear in return.
00:41:06.000Well, they knew it was safe because there was probably other hep B vaccines.
00:41:10.000This is the very first recombinant DNA technology vaccine in the universe.
00:41:14.000Just like the very first mRNA vaccine was COVID, the very first recombinant DNA technology vaccine ever was this hepatitis B vaccine in the United States.
00:41:24.000And there was, at that point, There had been a prior hep B vaccine made actually with literally human blood.
00:42:14.000If you're looking, if you think there's something else, send it to me.
00:42:18.000I'd love to see it because that's what there is in terms of what was lied upon to license this product.
00:42:23.000Aaron, these trials are so sort of negligibly small that it can hardly really be referred to as science.
00:42:31.000It's almost like a bureaucratic exercise in order to achieve license.
00:42:37.000I remember reading during the pandemic period that booster shots were being recommended after they'd been trialed on like five mice.
00:42:45.000And I think what What concerns me most of all is when my intuitive sense turns out to be correct.
00:42:53.000For example, at the beginning of the pandemic, I remember thinking, how can these products have been effectively trialed?
00:42:59.000Because there hasn't been a trial period sufficient to know how these are going to impact people in a year or in five years.
00:43:06.000And also, what Pregnant women are going to put themselves forward for clinical trials and what parents are going to allow their children to be clinically trialled.
00:43:15.000These were the kind of things that just occurred to me.
00:43:17.000So to see it backed up and to see it having been sieved through your legal mind as scrutiny and that my general ruminations were somewhat correct suggests that there's such a degree of institutional corruption that the science that they always use to verify their mandates, their actions, their policies, their profits is actually a subset of commercial imperatives and incentives that are themselves so corrupt
00:43:43.000it might as well be a religion and at that a fallen and broken religion rather than science as we sort of conversationally understand it empiricism, clinical trial, fact The claims made about vaccines often are dogma, religious beliefs I mean, the idea that vaccines are the most robustly trialed products on the market is just simply false.
00:45:37.000And here you have the section about serious adverse events.
00:45:40.000So this is what you really want to focus on, right?
00:45:42.000Because serious adverse events means something very serious.
00:45:45.000It's a defined term by the FDA. We can even go to the FDA website again, you know, and we can do serious adverse events, FDA. And right here, you could see it means death, life-threatening, hospitalization, disability, congenital abnormality, required interventions to prevent permanent impairment, and then other serious, which effectively has to have one or the other.
00:46:08.000So serious adverse event is a very serious condition.
00:46:11.000So let's go back to Prevnar 13. Now, in this clinical trial, this is one of the top five selling Pfizer products, right?
00:46:18.000You've got six months of safety review, finally.
00:46:45.000Serious adverse events reported following vaccination in infants and toddlers occurred in 8.2%, that's in a six-month period, among Prevnar 13 recipients, and 7.2% among Prevnar, that's Prevnar 7 recipients.
00:46:59.000Now, from the perspective of just safety, if I'm a parent, I might go, oh my goodness, that is highly concerning.
00:47:06.000But from the perspective of the FDA, as long as the experimental group and the control group have a similar rate, That's deemed safe because they're comparing it to quote-unquote the standard of care, right?
00:47:20.000So you might say, well, maybe this is just a fluke, this super high rate of adverse events in totally healthy infants and toddlers, right?
00:47:28.000Maybe we know for sure Prevnar 7 is safe because that had a long-term placebo-controlled trial, right?
00:47:34.000And before we flip there, let's just read this one sentence.
00:47:39.000It says, the longer reporting period, meaning six months, which I normally never do vaccine trials, may have resulted in serious adverse events being reported in a higher percentage of subjects than for other vaccines.
00:48:02.000And here's another piece I can never make up.
00:48:04.000And honestly, if I'd have thought of the most nefarious things I could say about vaccines, I would never say it had to use license on five days because I thought it was totally nuts.
00:48:13.000And I'm going to show you another thing that I think is totally nuts.
00:48:17.000I'm going to open up the package insert for Prevnar 7. Remember this product that had the 7.2% adverse event rate?
00:48:37.000And they were comparing Prevnar with a control.
00:48:40.000Well, you hope the control would be what?
00:48:43.000Because there's no other product on the market that's a seven-valent meningococcal vaccine in the U.S. So you should have compared against placebo.
00:48:51.000But you see the little cross right there?
00:49:32.000And they didn't compare it against a placebo, even though there was no 7-valium angiococcal vaccine that I'm aware of that was on the market license in the US. So there's no standard of care.
00:49:47.000Again, I'm laughing, but it's definitely serious too.
00:49:51.000And I say it because It really goes back to your point about religion, and it's a long way to answer your question, I know, but yes, there is what is said about these products, what believed about these products, and then there's this reality.
00:51:08.000From parents who want to, you know, say, hey, my child had this reaction or that reaction to a vaccine, you know, went in totally healthy, started seizing, had a grand mal seizure within 10 minutes, mostly emergency room, ended up with all this sequel.
00:51:24.000And so when we go in, I don't have a PhD after my name.
00:51:28.000I don't have an MD. I don't have any fancy medical title.
00:51:32.000So when I go to court or any of the attorneys in my firm go to court, We have to prove it with evidence.
00:51:37.000We don't get to say, trust me, I'm a doctor.
00:51:43.000So we want good clinical trial data, and we want good post-licensure safety data.
00:51:50.000And so we are very familiar with the post-licensure safety studies, safety systems, and the notion that there's some robust body of Of studies out there, just go to, like Hep B, is...
00:52:15.000It won't take you long about hep B vaccine safety.
00:52:18.000And also, you can go to ICANN's website, and you can see that we had an exchange with HHS about when we went back and forth about the safety of all these vaccines.
00:52:27.000And you could see what they had in response to all of this.
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00:53:50.000It's staggering that they were allowed to use as a control group another unlicensed drug.
00:53:57.000If you were looking for a babysitter for your preteen son, you wouldn't accept, well, we compared him to when Jeffrey Dahmer looked after some teenagers and they were about level.
00:54:12.000And to see that what we're presented with, as you say, is this is a robust body of evidence, shows you that it's kind of gangsterism.
00:54:21.000But the NIH should be setting up trials a little better, like the conditions for trials aren't good enough.
00:54:28.000The grant in these firms immunity is creating, as you said at the very beginning, a warped marketplace with economic incentives that don't even make sense within the context of free market capitalism, which is what we are led to believe is providing the safety checks.
00:54:44.000if the product is not successful, the marketplace will select against products that kill or injure their children, particularly when you showed us what is meant by, you know, severe adverse injuries, death, congenital defects, some of the most You know, we're being light about it because that's the way we're communicating, but at the end of each one of these tendrils is devastation across families.
00:55:07.000It makes me wonder, Aaron, even if something like the oft-repeated mantra, a near taboo, of saying that autism may be connected to vaccines, which people, we're told the same thing.
00:55:20.000There is no scientific evidence to suggest that That there is any connection between autism or the increase in kids with autism, Asperger's, ADHD, OCD, ADHD, all of these things, and vaccines.
00:55:34.000Is it true, even with that sacred cow of the religion of vaccines, that there is no scientific evidence, or perhaps I should put it this way, is there scientific evidence to suggest that there is no causal link?
00:55:54.000I think the claim that vaccines do not cause autism, which is a claim that you will hear health authorities repeat over and over again, again like a mantra, is a great litmus test.
00:56:05.000Or whether they've really studied all the other claimed injuries, right?
00:56:08.000There's probably over a hundred serious adverse events from vaccines that parents routinely claim.
00:56:15.000Many of them are immune or immune-mediated neurological disorders, meaning your immune system's gone, something's gone wrong, or it has attacked your nervous system.
00:56:23.000There are, for example, many accepted issues from vaccines like transverse myelitis, Gambray syndrome, which are immune system attacking your nerves, but there in your extremities, you can physically see the outcome.
00:56:51.000The point is this, is that if they say vaccines do not cause autism, and it's really true that they haven't really studied it, then imagine the state of the science.
00:57:02.000For all the other hundred serious issues.
00:57:05.000And, you know, and I can tell you that I have been, our firm, and including on behalf of our client ICANN, we have been beating at public health authorities for seven years now, demanding the studies that show that the vaccines given in the first six months of life do not cause autism.
00:57:25.000We're doing that because when you look at parental surveys of parents who have kids with autism, That's something in the order of 40 to 70% of them, despite the fact that they're constantly being gaslit by health authorities.
00:57:37.000Vaccines do not cause their child's autism.
00:57:47.000They typically point to the vaccines that we just actually looked at in that chart, right?
00:57:52.000The 15 injections in the first six months of life.
00:57:55.000And they will often sometimes point to also the MMR vaccine, which is not given any earlier than one year of life, okay?
00:58:02.000And so you would imagine, given that autism can be diagnosed before one year of age, before MMR vaccine is even given, the parents are saying that these are the vaccines that are causing their autism, the Hep B vaccine, the meningococcal vaccine, and so forth.
00:58:16.000That they would have study after study after study showing that those vaccines do not cause autism, right?
00:58:22.000And I could tell you that those studies really don't exist.
00:58:30.000And if I could, I'll lay the groundwork on this in the following way.
00:58:35.000And it's not because nobody's asked the question for a very long time.
00:58:38.000And by the way, it had nothing to do with Wakefield in the late 90s.
00:58:42.000In 1986, When the National Childhood Injury Act was passed, Vaccine Injury Act was passed, it listed the most commonly claimed injuries, presumably, from vaccination at that time.
00:58:54.000And it asked the Secretary of Health and Human Services, our federal authorities here, to study all the existing literature on whether or not the pertussis vaccine, and then it was DTP, and it was MMR, the two primary vaccines, caused those conditions.
00:59:11.000And one of those conditions it asked was whether the pertussis vaccine causes autism.
00:59:16.000So as early as 1986, parents were claiming that vaccines were causing autism at such a rate that they had it in the law.
00:59:24.000I can even pull up the statute if you'd like to see it.
01:00:55.000This is the law passed in the U.S. that gave the pharma companies immunity.
01:00:59.000And we can see right here in this section called Review of Pertussis Vaccines and Related Illnesses and Conditions.
01:01:05.000And it says, no later than three years after the effective date of this title, the Secretary of Health and Human Services should complete a review of all relevant medical and scientific information, including a whole long list of stuff, on the nature, circumstance, and extent of the relationship, if any, between vaccines containing Pertussis and the following illnesses and conditions.
01:01:42.000This is the HHS. Our federal authorities commissioned what was then known as the Institute of Medicine, what is now known as the National Academy of Medicine in America.
01:01:53.000Supposed to be a prestigious group of scientists.
01:02:03.000And in this chart, okay, this is the report from 1991 that the Institute of Medicine issued looking at the question of pertussis vaccine and autism.
01:02:12.000And you can see on the autism row that there's no checks.
01:02:16.000There's no X's, excuse me, meaning they couldn't find any category of evidence to answer the question.
01:03:07.000Well, let's fast forward then to 2012, 2012, 20 years later, okay, HHS and CDC, excuse me, the CDC, And the agency in our federal government that administers the vaccine program commissioned the Institute of Medicine to again look at what they said were the 158 most commonly claimed injuries from vaccines.
01:03:29.000And one of the injuries they asked them to look at was again whether autism is caused by Pertussis vaccine and this time also diphtheria and tetanus vaccine.
01:04:47.000So we're 20 years later, and they still haven't done the study.
01:04:50.000They still haven't looked at whether pertussis vaccine causes autism, despite the fact it's the most commonly claimed.
01:04:56.000Now, I know somebody out there is going to say, but you can't prove a negative.
01:05:01.000Well, in the same report, they looked at whether MMR vaccine causes autism.
01:05:06.000And they threw out all the studies except for, and despite the fact that those studies are not really useful because they compare getting like 16 vaccines with 17 vaccines, it's like if I shoot you 16 times and I shoot you 17 times and I say, hey, look, no difference.
01:05:32.000Maybe the Institute of Medicine doesn't have the study.
01:05:36.000So I then had an opportunity to depose the world's leading vaccinologist, Stanley Blockett, in 2018. And I asked him about this exact finding.
01:05:50.000I've never had a guest that's before talked me through the issues, showed me studies, showed me the FDA's own website, showed me CDC information, clinical trials, inserts from packs of medications, depositions, because I suppose the whole argument that we, the public, and I include myself in that demographic...
01:06:13.000Generally, we're kind of trying to argue back with anecdotes and intuition and feelings.
01:06:27.000But you walk us through it, making it clear that the word science is being used like a weapon instead of what it is, a kind of conduit for truth.
01:06:39.000So this is a video of Dr. Stanley Plotkin, who is literally the world's leading vaccinologist.
01:06:47.000The medical text on vaccines is called Plotkin's Vaccines, and this is me asking him about that 2012 IMM report with regards to autism and pertussis vaccine.
01:06:57.000This is an excerpt from the IOM's report, right?
01:07:03.000Can you read the causality conclusion with regard to whether DTaP and TDaP cause autism?
01:07:08.000The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid, or acellular pertussis containing vaccine and autism.
01:07:20.000If you don't know whether DTaP or TDaP cause autism, Shouldn't you wait until you do know, until you have the science to support it, to then say that vaccines do not cause autism?
01:07:42.000No, I do not wait, because I have to take into account the health of the child.
01:07:52.000And so for that reason, you're okay with telling the parent that DTAP, TDAP does not cause autism, even though the science isn't there yet to support that claim.
01:08:10.000From the mouth of the world's leading vaccinologist, He's going to tell you vaccines don't cause autism, even without the science.
01:08:18.000And if you watch that deposition, which went for eight hours, where I deposed him on all these issues, what you'll see is that, and this is one of the lures of vaccinology, is that as long as they don't study it, as long as there's no study that shows it does or doesn't, like they just don't look at it, they'll say the vaccines don't cause it, even without any data.
01:08:41.000Remember that Institute of Medicine report I told you, they looked at 158 conditions.
01:08:45.000Well, for over 130 of them, they said, you guys haven't done the science, so we can't give you a causality conclusion.
01:08:51.000But when you ask vaccinologists about those 130, they'll tell you, oh, vaccines don't cause them, even though there's no study science to support it doesn't.
01:09:10.000He's okay with, basically, I mean, my kids might call that lying.
01:09:14.000I don't want to use such a strong term, but let's just say he's not being forthright with these parents if they ask him.
01:09:20.000We then submitted a Freedom of Information Act request to the CDC. We said, well, maybe the CDC has studies, even though the medicine couldn't find them.
01:09:31.000So what we did is we submitted a request.
01:09:34.000And what we said is, can you give us the studies that show that DTaP vaccines don't cause autism?
01:09:38.000The studies that show that hep B vaccines don't cause autism, that IPV. We did it for all of the five vaccines given three times in the first six months of life.
01:09:44.000And we asked for the studies that show cumulatively that they don't cause autism.
01:09:57.000I sued them in federal court on behalf of our clients.
01:10:00.000And after, you know, going back and forth with the Department of Justice, which represents the CDC, they finally capitulated, and they finally agreed to provide a list of studies.
01:10:20.000So here are the, here's, this is a federal court order in the United States, okay?
01:10:26.000United States District Court, Southern District of New York.
01:10:30.000Lawsuit was brought by the Institute for Autism Science and Informative Action Network against the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, okay?
01:10:38.000And you could see in the, and this is basically the quote-unquote, you could call it a settlement, but it's signed by the judge, so it's an order of the court.
01:10:48.000And in it, it summarizes the FOIA requests that were at issue in the lawsuits, because here's what I asked for, what I just described to you, right?
01:10:55.000All the studies that show that DTAP does not cause autism and so forth, right?
01:11:49.000That same 2012 IOM report we just looked at and said we can't find any studies.
01:11:56.000So literally the only freaking study out of these 20 that in any way studied whether vaccines cause autism vis-a-vis the vaccines given in the first six months of life was the 2012 IOM report and it couldn't find a study.
01:12:12.000I'm going to give you one last bit on this and then I'm going to stop.
01:12:16.000And I'm doing this because I just, you know, I said nakedly, I said nakedly, and I mean, I support with the fact that we need that science at my firm, that the post-licension literature is anemic at best.
01:12:57.000There was actually a lawsuit that involved vaccines and autism.
01:13:02.000And do you remember the medical textbook on vaccines you saw on the screen earlier, Plotkin's Vaccines?
01:13:07.000Dr. Catherine Edwards was one of the four listening authors.
01:13:12.000She's one of the world's leading vaccinologists in the world coming into a deposition with me Knowing about the claim vaccines cause autism.
01:13:22.000That was the central issue in the case.
01:13:24.000And so she knows I'm going to ask her about it.
01:13:55.000According to your profile, you have done most of the preventable trials relied upon to license many of the vaccines, correct, on the market?
01:14:23.000In your opinion, did the clinical trials relied upon to license the vaccines that Yates received, many of which are still on the market today?
01:14:35.000Were they designed to rule out that the vaccine No.
01:14:51.000You've badgered me into answering the question the way you want me to, but I think that that's probably the answer.
01:14:59.000Is that your accurate and truthful testimony?
01:15:07.000In the expert disclosures for this case, it asserts that, among other things, you will testify that, quote, the issue of whether vaccines cause autism has been thoroughly researched and rejected, end quote.
01:15:21.000It's your testimony that MMR vaccine cannot cause autism?
01:17:20.000Because what I feel when I'm watching that, what I feel like is they have no studies and they have defaulted to recommendation and this sort of certain and aggressive position that vaccines do not cause autism.
01:17:36.000So, even if we defaulted to, and I know that this is not your, that this certainly is not a claim you're making, but if I were to default to vaccines do cause autism, I can refer to the exact same number of studies that they can, with the exact same certainty and expertise that they can, because the studies don't exist either way.
01:17:58.000And it starts to make you think, which is another thing I've intuitively felt, only the studies and trials that are profitable are the studies and trials that are taking place.
01:18:08.000No one's conducting studies and trials that are going to negatively impact the bottom line of Merck, Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson& Johnson, because who's going to fund that study and for what reason?
01:18:20.000And the whole legitimacy that Fauci et al marched into the pandemic arena with was Based on the idea of empiricism and evidence and truth and justice and honesty and transparency.
01:18:34.000And none of that was verifiable or justifiable.
01:18:40.000Watching this, and I don't know how explicit I can be about, like, your relationship with people that are in positions of authority with matters of health and regulation now.
01:18:50.000But if they're going to have to have conversations like that with you, they're in a lot of trouble.
01:18:56.000I would imagine, on the basis of what's happened in the last few years.
01:19:26.000So, you know, MMR, they have a few, but the other ones they don't.
01:19:29.000And by the way, to your initial point, there are studies that show that hep B vaccine.
01:19:35.000There's one study that showed a three times risk amongst babies that got the hep B versus not of autism.
01:19:40.000There are studies on the, you know, with Guyer and Guyer you saw in the DTaP.
01:19:45.000The studies that did look at those childhood vaccines for six months, most of them do show a correlation, not saying causation, because you need a clinical trial for that.
01:20:56.000And so if you're going to compare kids that got MMR vaccine to kids who don't get MMR vaccine, you have to control for that.
01:21:02.000You have to control for the fact that some of the kids that don't get MMR might have become autistic, maybe, or, you know, from the prior vaccines, in which case It fudges up your entire results.
01:21:15.000Which is why I was saying, comparing kids who got 16 shots with 17, meaning they got everything but no MMR, and they got everything plus an MMR, is a useful study.
01:21:25.000You have to compare exposed to unexposed.
01:21:28.000That's the way science is done all the time.
01:21:30.000So, you know, and you know there's there's uh and it's a serious matter you know there's uh there's a there's a story there's a you know couple out there who have triplets and um that Prevnar vaccine remember the 7.2 and 8.2 percent they have triplets and after giving their triplets meningococcal vaccine that that shot All three of them, within 24 hours, totally shut down.
01:21:56.000And, you know, you watch the video of these two, and she's an audiologist, you know, so she understands, you know, the reflexes and so forth, and she, like, did all of the reflexes.
01:22:09.000And those kids, you know, and the dad, you know, the mom tells the story in this video, and then the dad does, and, you know, he ends it by saying, he goes, you know, You know, years later, they're still not potty trained.
01:22:25.000So in the middle of the night, you get up.
01:23:45.000It's hard to tell industry, make more.
01:23:46.000Make more nuclear power plants and then slap them When they don't assure safety, so they separated that into a completely independent agency.
01:24:09.000In the US, and I'm not aware of it in almost any other country.
01:24:12.000And even worse, Not only are they conflicted in that way, our regulators are conflicted in the U.S. and other places by the fact that they literally are who you sue for a vaccine injury, and they literally have to defend against any claim that the vaccine causes injury.
01:24:31.000So if they do any studies that shows it causes injury, it's called an admission against interest.
01:24:38.000Lawyers will use it against the federal health agencies.
01:25:18.000Compared to most vaccines, they're amazing.
01:25:21.000Six months of safety review, you had an average two months of placebo control, 30 to 42,000 people.
01:25:26.000You're going to take a vaccine based on the clinical trial.
01:25:29.000If that's the metric, well, then COVID vaccines, I think, have pretty much the best clinical trials out there.
01:25:34.000If you're going to look at post-licensure safety studies, COVID vaccines have more post-licensure safety than I've seen almost any vaccines.
01:25:41.000And when people go, how can the health authorities do this?
01:25:44.000Well, because from their perspective, those trials were amazingly robust.
01:25:48.000From their perspective, what they did post licensure was amazingly robust.
01:25:53.000From the perspective of your average thinking, breathing, normal human being who's like, I want to protect myself, my family, my kids.
01:26:00.000And you look at this stuff, you're like, that's crazy.
01:26:03.000But that's the state of affairs for vaccines.
01:26:09.000I feel like it's been an incredible journey with you.
01:26:12.000I feel like, firstly, you should have your own show, but I know you're a pretty busy guy.
01:26:15.000It's incredible to be shown the building blocks of your arguments, the maintenance of an objective purview wherever possible, and a kind of a faith and trust in truth and integrity, that ultimately if you follow the line, you don't need to that ultimately if you follow the line, you don't need to take care of truth and It will be taken care of if it is well-stewarded and it's being incredibly well-stewarded by you and by your brilliance in your profession.
01:26:44.000Thank you so much for communicating that with us and sharing that with us.
01:26:48.000I just pray that your engagement and involvement with the health of the very well-funded American health agencies, certainly well-funded when compared to the GDP of Great Britain, for example, is significantly and sufficiently guarded and guided by your expertise and by your processes.
01:27:09.000Thank you very much for your time today and for your expertise up until now.