Stay Free - Russel Brand - Abandoning the Democrats – Lindy Li on the Collapse of Trust - SF607

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brown trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.

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00:00:20.000 We've got a very special interview today with Lindy Lee, formerly Democrat, fundraiser and advocate and media personality.

00:00:28.000 It's a brilliant conversation to have with someone who was so devoted to the left and now is an apostate.

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00:00:58.000 Let me tell you a little bit about Lindy Lee for those of you that don't know.

00:01:02.000 Lindy Lee is an American political commentator, campaign advisor and former Democratic Party leader who now identifies, oh yeah, as conservative. 0.96

00:01:09.000 She previously served as the women's co-chair and mid-Atlantic regional chair of the Democratic National Committee and worked on Asian American outreach for the Biden 2020 campaign.

00:01:19.000 Once a vocal defender of the Biden administration, she became a fierce critic of the Democratic Party following the 2024 election.

00:01:26.000 She's worked with NBC, MSNBC and Fox and she's run for Congress.

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00:02:01.000 Lindy, thank you so much for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:02:06.000 Russell, it's such an honor to join you.

00:02:08.000 Thank you for having me.

00:02:09.000 Is that Philadelphia in the background?

00:02:12.000 It is.

00:02:12.000 That's a William Penn statue.

00:02:14.000 I am in the clouds above Philadelphia.

00:02:17.000 It's really cool.

00:02:18.000 I've been here practically all my life.

00:02:22.000 Actually, I'm from Sheffield, England.

00:02:24.000 I wanted to tell you that.

00:02:25.000 I'm from the United Kingdom.

00:02:27.000 You're a Yorkshire woman. 0.99

00:02:30.000 But I left when I was four or five.

00:02:32.000 But I spent my first years of my life there.

00:02:35.000 Yeah.

00:02:35.000 I'm trying to detect a Yorkshire accent and I couldn't hear it.

00:02:39.000 I love that place.

00:02:40.000 I love Sheffield.

00:02:41.000 Most people, if they are familiar with Sheffield at all, it'll be because of maybe the actor Sean Bean or the film The Fall Monty or Sheffield's famous football teams United and Wednesday.

00:02:53.000 Do you ever go back to Sheffield?

00:02:55.000 Unfortunately, no, but I'm such an Anglophile.

00:02:58.000 Everything British, I absolutely love.

00:03:00.000 You guys are the best.

00:03:01.000 I think you're the best people on earth.

00:03:03.000 Well, thank you.

00:03:04.000 I heard recently a brilliant theory that the British could be one of the lost tribes of Israel, that there are prophecies that point towards it.

00:03:15.000 Certainly politically, though, our country, the United Kingdom, is going through some transformations and some transitions that are, of course, comparable to what's happening in the United States, even though there is a distinct trajectory.

00:03:30.000 Lindy, what I mean by that is that Britain is having a kind of moment of nationalism, that Britain is having a moment of, I would say, a kind of crisis of confidence in the institutions of governance.

00:03:46.000 I would say that when it comes to a renewed cynicism about institutions of media, that's by virtue of the fact that independent media is a global phenomenon, the subsequent cynicism about centralized legacy media is similarly global.

00:04:08.000 One of the reasons I was most excited to speak with you is because you were such a vocal supporter and significant supporter as well as advocate and indeed potentially even Congress member for the Democrat Party.

00:04:21.000 And now you actually disavow them.

00:04:25.000 And I wonder where you stand politically now, particularly even with recent conversations in the space that both you and I now occupy, where the fracture that's appeared between Donald Trump and Elon Musk,

00:04:41.000 the conversations around Thomas Massey, the emergence of Mamdani, the continuing controversy around AOC suggests that something new is being born, even beyond MAGA, Maha, and the resurgence of right-wing politics.

00:05:00.000 What do you think about these?

00:05:02.000 Thank you.

00:05:02.000 What do you think about these new categories that are emerging?

00:05:06.000 And let's sketch out an outline of what you think is coming in the next few years politically in your country.

00:05:15.000 Russell, I think your analysis is spot on.

00:05:17.000 I think there's a lot of discontent, especially in the last couple of weeks when President Trump decided to go into Iran.

00:05:22.000 A lot of people are upset.

00:05:24.000 A lot of people voted for him because they didn't want more wars.

00:05:27.000 They didn't want forever wars, regime change wars.

00:05:30.000 And I actually wasn't really keen on getting into Iran.

00:05:35.000 But now that we're there, I think it was the best that could have been hoped for the way that it was handled.

00:05:40.000 This is the best case scenario because when Iran retaliated, it was very symbolic.

00:05:45.000 They did the least possible damage.

00:05:46.000 They literally telegraphed to us the day before what they were going to do.

00:05:51.000 So the damage is actually quite minimal.

00:05:53.000 So who knows?

00:05:55.000 If Trump can pull this off and if he can establish peace between Israel and the Palestinians, he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.

00:06:04.000 But it's a huge if.

00:06:06.000 We'll see what happens.

00:06:06.000 But you're totally right that there's a lot of discontent because if we had escalated this war in something and if this had deteriorated, this would have been a third war in the Middle East in the past 20 some years, which would have signified Americans learned nothing from our catastrophic mistakes in the last couple of decades.

00:06:27.000 But fingers crossed and we'll never get there.

00:06:29.000 I don't know.

00:06:29.000 We'll see What happens in the next couple of days?

00:06:31.000 I think it's going to be really critical.

00:06:33.000 What for a minute seemed like a very sort of cohesive political movement around MAGA, I mean, given these prominent figures around which the movement coalesced, Elon Musk, Vivek, Ramaswamy, Tulsi Gabbard, Bobby Kennedy, J.D. Vance, but most notably, and obviously Trump himself, the sort of epitome and figurehead of rising populism, a movement that's really changing politics everywhere, not just in your country.

00:07:00.000 What I am fascinated by is now there are, there's, I would say, whether it's on the subject of migration, as you've already touched upon, the subject of war, or the subject of the deficit, there are fissures and fractures emerging.

00:07:17.000 Now, Elon Musk, you know, this just sort of see this landscape changes so rapidly and radically, Lindy, even in 24 hours, what we're talking about now might have changed.

00:07:28.000 But Elon Musk is talking about supporting opponents of the big beautiful bill in primaries.

00:07:35.000 Trump is suggesting and threatening even candidates and sort of politicians such as Thomas Massey.

00:07:43.000 I wonder if you think that Elon Musk's talk of a third political party in America is just rhetoric or is it something that America should consider?

00:07:56.000 Is in fact the ending of these categories of left and right a precursor to the emergence of new political movements?

00:08:07.000 Yeah, I understand Elon's frustration.

00:08:10.000 I actually sympathize a lot with what he's saying because this bill does add $3 trillion to $33 trillion of debt.

00:08:18.000 It's completely unsustainable and my generation, our generation will be paying for that.

00:08:24.000 I just, it's completely untenable.

00:08:27.000 We spend a trillion dollars a year just paying off our interest alone.

00:08:31.000 So this is not a sustainable situation at all.

00:08:33.000 But I do want to say that the two parties are so deeply entrenched.

00:08:37.000 So I don't see the two party system, the two party system going away anytime soon, despite the moribund nature and the dilapidated nature of the Democratic Party.

00:08:47.000 It's just so incredibly hard to form a third party.

00:08:50.000 I mean, all you have to do is look at Andrew Yang.

00:08:52.000 Remember, he made a huge stink about starting the forward party, but where did that go?

00:08:56.000 Every day he slips into more irrelevance.

00:08:59.000 I don't mean any disrespect.

00:09:00.000 I'm just describing it objectively.

00:09:02.000 Like nobody's really listening to him, right?

00:09:04.000 So I understand where Elon is coming from, but I think a lot of his motivation, in addition to being financial, is also personal.

00:09:11.000 It's hard to leave the highest echelons of power.

00:09:15.000 I get it.

00:09:17.000 And I think he feels a little bit ostracized.

00:09:21.000 But it doesn't, no one can deny the immense frustration that the grassroots feel about additional wars in the Middle East, additional spending.

00:09:30.000 People like Thomas Massey, we can disagree with him on certain matters, but no one can deny that this is a man who sticks by his principles, I believe.

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00:10:51.000 You lunatic you.

00:10:52.000 Well, the emergence of Trump, you know, 10 years ago, or certainly the descent down the gold escalator and ascent into the public imagination and ultimately into an almost unique position of personal power, I feel like represented a new political epoch. 0.92

00:11:12.000 And many people might contest, Lindy, that the Republican Party was completely reformed in Trump's image.

00:11:18.000 And the party conference prior to his current tenure seemed to be a purge of old Republican figures, an end of the old guard, and a kind of, in a sense, an ascendancy of what began as the Tea Party movement in, I don't know, around 08 or whenever that was, into this new MAGA and somewhat MAHA movement.

00:11:46.000 So if Trump can completely reconfigure the Republican Party, even though we still have an entrenched two-party political system, the landscape of American politics has altered.

00:11:57.000 Do you think that it is a radical transformation, that Trump is a radically different political figure?

00:12:03.000 Or do you imagine that the same financial and institutional interests that have always run America can continue to exert monumental influence even with someone as individualistic and personally potent as Donald Trump?

00:12:22.000 That's such a good question.

00:12:23.000 It reminds me of the Silicon Valley mantra, move fast and break things.

00:12:27.000 And that's kind of what Donald Trump is doing right now.

00:12:29.000 If anyone can shake up Washington and completely rejigger, completely revolutionize politics, it's Donald Trump.

00:12:37.000 I've never seen anything like it.

00:12:38.000 I've also, I guess, admittedly, I haven't been on earth that long, but I just, it's just astounding how much he has revolutionized our institutions, our way of normally doing things, our presidential norms.

00:12:51.000 And I actually think it's a good thing.

00:12:53.000 What he did to USAID, for instance, was absolutely necessary.

00:12:57.000 Why are we funneling billions of dollars Around the world for countries that don't even treat us very well.

00:13:04.000 Why are we funding transgender operas overseas?

00:13:06.000 Why does it help?

00:13:07.000 Tell me, whose interests does that serve?

00:13:10.000 It goes into the pockets of liberal organizations here in America.

00:13:14.000 And it also speaks to the criticisms that I've been offering against the Democratic Party.

00:13:19.000 These deep-pocketed people who move from campaign to campaign, they make tens of millions of dollars.

00:13:25.000 They pocket our taxpayer funds.

00:13:27.000 They pocket the money of the hard-earned money of Americans around the country.

00:13:32.000 And that is why the core of the Democratic Party is so rotten.

00:13:36.000 And it goes back to your question.

00:13:38.000 We needed somebody like Trump to essentially turn over the tables in the temple and start over.

00:13:45.000 And I'm really happy to see that they're trying to implement some of the Doge cuts because it's absolutely unnecessary.

00:13:51.000 We should not be spending money like a drunken sailor.

00:13:54.000 Prior to your vocal condemnation of the Democrats, you were fundraising for the Democrats and supporting them vocally and publicly.

00:14:04.000 How long before you publicly denounced the Democrats and began your support of Trump and the Republicans in this current form and incarnation, were you having doubts about, for example, Kamala Harris's candidacy, Biden's cognitive decline and the party's motivation more generally?

00:14:28.000 What did you think about Hillary Clinton?

00:14:29.000 What did you think about Bernie Sanders?

00:14:30.000 What did you think about AAC?

00:14:32.000 What was the decline and what was your apostasy, should we call it?

00:14:37.000 When did it win?

00:14:41.000 My fall from grace, so to speak.

00:14:42.000 Actually, I've been warring against a leftist faction, against the woke faction of the Democratic Party for six years.

00:14:49.000 Actually, that's kind of my claim to fame in American politics.

00:14:53.000 I went to war with the Bernie Bros.

00:14:56.000 The Chinese communist regime murdered my great-grandfather in cold blood.

00:15:00.000 So I have an extreme allergy and aversion to anything to do with Marxist ideology.

00:15:07.000 And that's everything that Bernie Sanders represented for me.

00:15:10.000 So I went to war with the leftist faction about five, six years ago and got tarred and feathered for that.

00:15:16.000 And that was my first brush with the hyenas of the Democratic Party.

00:15:19.000 And ever since then, I think it's just been a matter of time.

00:15:23.000 But the Biden presidency was a whole nother beast because it was a complete lie.

00:15:27.000 And unfortunately, Russell, I got to be honest with you, I believed it for a number of years.

00:15:32.000 It took me a while to realize, oh my God, they're like, they're lying to us.

00:15:35.000 They lied to us about the Hunter Biden situation.

00:15:38.000 They told us it was a Russian conspiracy.

00:15:40.000 Unfortunately, I believed it because when you have NBC News and the American intelligence community telling you that something is true, I tended to believe them.

00:15:51.000 I now understand it's a mistake.

00:15:54.000 But as a 20-something, I believe them.

00:15:57.000 And it took me, I think it took one lie unraveling to make me think, oh, if they're lying about Hunter Biden's laptop, maybe they're lying about Biden's cognitive state, which I actually saw firsthand.

00:16:09.000 I didn't really need much to realize that they're lying about that, but other things as well.

00:16:12.000 Maybe they were lying about the billions that I helped to raise for Kamala Harris.

00:16:17.000 And so it's kind of like a domino effect.

00:16:19.000 They lost my credit.

00:16:20.000 They lost my trust on one thing, which made me question everything else.

00:16:24.000 And Russell, it's been about eight months since I first asked for accountability on the billions that I raised.

00:16:31.000 It's been total crickets.

00:16:33.000 No one has said anything.

00:16:35.000 No one has answered my questions about why we spent millions on Beyoncé, Cardi B, you know, what's her name?

00:16:43.000 The one who dances like a blank on stage.

00:16:47.000 Megan the stallion.

00:16:49.000 The stallion.

00:16:51.000 Yeah, that woman. 1.00

00:16:53.000 Why did we spend hard-earned money on that, on celebrity endorsements rather than on bread and butter issues, rather than on showing that we care about the American people?

00:17:02.000 But frankly, by that point, I'd already given up.

00:17:09.000 Russell, exactly a year ago, actually, exactly a year ago, I went to Fox News basically as a cry for help.

00:17:16.000 I reached out to somebody there trying to tell the truth.

00:17:23.000 And I remember getting a call from somebody in the Biden White House saying, you're the president's most loyal supporter.

00:17:30.000 We know you're going to stay loyal.

00:17:35.000 I didn't stay loyal, quote unquote.

00:17:37.000 I stayed loyal to the American people.

00:17:39.000 And I told the truth about the state of his cognitive fitness, which isn't very good.

00:17:46.000 But this is the type of people they are.

00:17:48.000 They imposed, they shoved a conspiracy, a lie, a deception down the throats of the American people, all in the service of Orange Man Bad.

00:17:59.000 Do you think, Lindy, that social democracies inclined towards a kind of tyranny over time and therefore amplify the woke cultural aspect of their doctrine over economic policy to mask the fact that really what's happening over time is that in order to increase authority, they're amplifying concern.

00:18:24.000 The clearest and best example of that for our audience would be the period of the COVID pandemic where under the auspices of the preservation and protection of human life, authority was increased, censorship increased, control, social control increased, mandating in some cases and near mandating of medications increased.

00:18:49.000 And during that period, we got to see that what was posing as a social democratic government, whether that was in the form of Trump, who was obviously in office at the beginning of the pandemic period, or the Biden administration during the majority of the pandemic period, there's a kind of tendency towards authoritarianism that gets masked with the kind of false choices that people are offered in bipartisan democracies.

00:19:18.000 Do you think, therefore, Lindy, that this amount of deception that you've observed in what sounds to me like you're describing as a personal political awakening where you began to see the Democrat Party really as a kind of type Of fear, a deceptive machine, a deceptive and manipulative machine.

00:19:38.000 Do you think, Lindy, that we might be hopefully moving towards a period where we have to acknowledge that social democracies themselves, as I said at the beginning of this rather long question, incline towards hegemony and tyranny?

00:19:53.000 And if that is the case, then perhaps what we're seeing now in this latest spate of controversies and conflict early in the Trump administration, whether it's with Thomas Massey or Elon Musk or some of the other, like, you know, the controversy around the Iran war we started off talking about,

00:20:10.000 is actually the kind of, what do I want to say, the kind of collapse of not only our faith in these systems, but the collapse of these systems themselves, artificially Viagraid for a few years by the priapism of Donald Trump, who's like a sort of a very mobile and potent individual.

00:20:31.000 But nevertheless, the problems of Western democracy and the collapse of Western democracy go beyond these kind of this left-right argument and sort of problems of deep decline.

00:20:44.000 Wow.

00:20:45.000 Wait, first of all, I could listen to you talk all day.

00:20:48.000 Thanks.

00:20:50.000 It's like kind of like music to my ears.

00:20:52.000 I could literally listen to your British accent all day long.

00:20:56.000 And he used my favorite word, hegemony.

00:20:58.000 I just want to pause and praise you for a sec for that.

00:21:01.000 Also, did you use Viagra as a verb?

00:21:04.000 Yeah.

00:21:04.000 If you did, that was amazing.

00:21:05.000 I've never done that before.

00:21:07.000 That was the first time I've ever done that.

00:21:10.000 Thank you.

00:21:10.000 Truly brilliant.

00:21:11.000 The brill, as you guys would say.

00:21:13.000 I have to give you credit for that.

00:21:16.000 You are spot on about the underlying sickness of our political system.

00:21:22.000 It's just, I don't, oh man, I just feel like the whole thing is just, we are living under, well, at least under a Democratic leadership, we were living under the tyranny of trans LGBTQI plus. 1.00

00:21:40.000 And every year there would be additional letter, if you noticed, every single year they would tack on some, some other color to their flag or some other letter to their acronym. 0.75

00:21:49.000 And it would just get more ridiculous.

00:21:51.000 And Russell, I don't know if you realize this, they didn't consider me American. 0.79

00:21:56.000 This party of diversity, they didn't think I was American.

00:21:59.000 Like for them, I was A-A-N-H-P-I.

00:22:06.000 That is how they labeled me when I was in the party.

00:22:08.000 And what does that stand for?

00:22:09.000 You have no idea, right?

00:22:11.000 Asian American Native Hawaiian Pacific Islander. 0.98

00:22:15.000 I'm from the freaking United Kingdom. 0.99

00:22:19.000 Tell me why they forced this down my throat. 0.98

00:22:24.000 They are so big on identity politics.

00:22:26.000 And I think that's almost the essence of their disease.

00:22:31.000 They celebrate diversity, but in so doing, they were actually sowing division in our republic.

00:22:39.000 And it's just so toxic.

00:22:41.000 And by the way, the people who are most racist towards me right now aren't the Republicans, the vast majority of whom have been incredibly warm and welcoming towards me.

00:22:52.000 The people who are now calling me a Chinese spy, by the way, the Chinese government, as I mentioned, killed my great-grandfather.

00:22:57.000 You think I'm going to be spying for them? 1.00

00:22:59.000 Those fucking douchebags? 1.00

00:23:00.000 Am I allowed to curse on here? 1.00

00:23:01.000 But you like, honestly, the Democrats are now saying we should deport her to China.

00:23:07.000 I'm an American citizen.

00:23:09.000 Thank you very much.

00:23:10.000 Where are you going to deport me to?

00:23:11.000 Philadelphia, my home?

00:23:14.000 So something's got to change because right now, guess what?

00:23:18.000 The Democratic Party is at a 19% approval rating.

00:23:22.000 And as you alluded to, there's also dissension within the ranks, within the MAGA ranks.

00:23:27.000 But I think, you know, once Trump gets the trade deals figured out, apparently there are a number of trade deals down the pipeline.

00:23:37.000 As soon as he irons out the Iran-Israel situation, the Israel-Gaza situation, as soon as interest rates come down, I think his momentum is going to be hard to stop going into the midterms.

00:23:50.000 I actually already committed to fundraise for him for free because it is so pivotal that we don't go back.

00:23:57.000 We cannot go back to the progressive tyranny that we saw under the Biden administration.

00:24:02.000 If you're watching this on YouTube, click the link in the description.

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00:24:16.000 I reckon that probably there will be a transformation of the Democrat Party comparable to the transformation of the Republican Party under Trump.

00:24:27.000 It's pretty clear, it seemed at least, that the Republican Party was grooming and preparing Jeb Bush as their candidate before their sort of astonishing sequence of explosions.

00:24:37.000 Do you remember that moment where he's like, please clap?

00:24:40.000 Do you remember that?

00:24:42.000 I do.

00:24:42.000 I remember the sort of pure joy and entertainment of Trump's emergence.

00:24:47.000 But I was deeply, deeply sort of cynical and kind of aghast at the prospect of a Trump presidency and thought it was kind of ridiculous.

00:24:54.000 But in hindsight, what is really ridiculous is none of us saw it coming, that what was being created was a political environment where someone who's a master of public communications, who can be explicit, vernacular and open and natural on camera,

00:25:11.000 who understands, who has what we used to ascribe to Princess Diana, a kind of common touch and ability to talk to people in chicken shops and street corners or on construction sites, was going to, particularly in the kind of synthetic and hollow environment vacated by Barack Obama,

00:25:32.000 notably, and particularly after his failure to deal with the 2008 economic crisis in a transparent and ethical way, that the stage was set for someone who understood modern media, modern politics, modern communication.

00:25:50.000 And whilst he's obviously not a young man, he clearly has an understanding of contemporary communication that far surpasses anyone on the side of the Democrats.

00:25:58.000 And also he's not stymied by the sort of the manacles of hypocrisy that bind that party and its movement.

00:26:06.000 But I reckon what we'll likely see, I don't know what we'll see, who knows anything, but like one of the things that could happen is that the Democrat Party could reform itself around the character of a charismatic individual, the people that are sort of AOC, Newsome, I suppose would be the most likely people.

00:26:25.000 But something extraordinary could happen.

00:26:29.000 But what I'm really interested in, Lindy, is the kind of collapse of those parties themselves.

00:26:36.000 When you were raising all of that money for the Kamala campaign, how is it that you've gone from being enthusiastic and devoted and committed to feeling so disappointed in it?

00:26:55.000 What are the sort of pivotal moments that have taken you from being dedicated and significant, like personally raising a lot of money for the Democrats, it sounds like being kind of despairing of them?

00:27:08.000 Yeah, first of all, raising money, I can do that in my sleep.

00:27:12.000 It's just a talent that I have.

00:27:13.000 I have a lot of wealthy friends and family.

00:27:15.000 It's just something that I can do.

00:27:17.000 So I don't think it's so much as an emblem of Kamala's competence as my just natural fundraising ability that I can transfer from person to person, which is why I was able to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for Trump's inauguration in January 2025, which is just two months later after election day.

00:27:34.000 So I don't think it speaks so much to Kamala's strength as my own experience.

00:27:39.000 And by the way, I was never paid to do any of that.

00:27:41.000 I don't need to do this.

00:27:43.000 I did it because I cared.

00:27:44.000 I wanted to make a difference.

00:27:45.000 And raising money for campaigns is actually one of the most effective, as Elon demonstrated, is one of the most effective ways to shape policy and have a voice at the table.

00:27:55.000 But I have always, as I mentioned, five, six years ago, I was going to war with the leftist people.

00:28:01.000 It's still on my, they vandalize my Wikipedia page.

00:28:04.000 It's still an entire section on my war with the Bernie bros.

00:28:11.000 Everything that they represent is anathema to me.

00:28:15.000 Everything from open borders to free college, free this, free that.

00:28:20.000 It just completely completely undermines everything I believe in.

00:28:24.000 I'm a naturalized immigrant from the United Kingdom.

00:28:27.000 My family and I came here very poor.

00:28:30.000 Very, very poor.

00:28:31.000 But we brought high skills.

00:28:32.000 My dad was a doctor.

00:28:34.000 He ended up at Harvard Medical School.

00:28:35.000 We never took a handout.

00:28:37.000 We worked our asses off to get to where we are today.

00:28:40.000 And that is the kind of mentality that I want to bring, that I want people to bring to America.

00:28:45.000 I don't want people leeching off our system, exploiting our system.

00:28:49.000 We need, you know, to bring the vibrancy and the immigrant hustle to America. 1.00

00:28:54.000 We shouldn't have millions of people pouring across the border willy-nilly, people who can't assimilate into our culture, people who are burning cars in the American flag.

00:29:03.000 We don't want people like that.

00:29:05.000 We want people who love our country.

00:29:07.000 And I know this is something that England faces as well and countries in Europe.

00:29:13.000 Tons of people pouring in and completely usurping the culture that was there to begin with.

00:29:18.000 How do you feel about that?

00:29:20.000 Well, how I feel about the UK is that it's a country with an identity crisis that I suppose probably because we had a conservative and therefore right-wing government for the majority of the pandemic with a kind of populist, albeit somewhat unscrupulous leader in Boris Johnson.

00:29:43.000 And what I mean particularly by unscrupulous is a person that would change his political identity for expedience.

00:29:49.000 And I suppose a lot of politicians do that.

00:29:50.000 That's not particularly unique.

00:29:52.000 But like, had Boris Johnson not been Prime Minister then, he would almost certainly be Prime Minister now.

00:29:58.000 The Conservative Party has imploded and has led to the ascent of Keir Starmer and a kind of rebooted Blairist Labour Party.

00:30:09.000 What I mean by that is it's a Labour Party that's not in particular socialist except for empowering the state and a kind of doubling down on that concern as control motif that's described social democratic leftist parties for the last, you know, from Clinton onwards, let's say, where we've got the distinct impression that what's behind their care is an attempt to control.

00:30:36.000 Again, something that became evident and clear during the COVID pandemic, where evidently the sanctity and regard for the sanctity of life was so extreme that no measure of control was too intrusive or draconian.

00:30:50.000 But when you look at the way that the pandemic has played out in terms of the fatalities and the injuries incurred from vaccines, it seems unlikely that the motivation was ever care at all.

00:31:05.000 I'm not suggesting that these are sort of conscious efforts that take place.

00:31:08.000 It's just a tendency of authority and a tendency of authoritarianism.

00:31:13.000 States need to regulate, legislate, control and preserve the system itself.

00:31:18.000 Me now, just so you know, Lindy, whilst there is a sort of a, it seems at least by the assessment of current residents of the United Kingdom, a crisis around migration and a lot of social division around,

00:31:33.000 in particular, it would seem, is Muslim immigration and perhaps epitomized by the rape gang crisis, the initial refusal to conduct an inquiry into the rape gang until Tommy Robinson made a documentary and Elon Musk reposted it.

00:31:51.000 I think the crisis goes a lot deeper.

00:31:53.000 I don't think British people know what it is to be British anymore.

00:31:56.000 I don't think we have any political party that people have faith in.

00:32:02.000 There's a sort of a lot of, gosh, I would say almost default enthusiasm around Nigel Farage or interest or maybe just the kind of people at least hoping that Nigel Farage and reform can make some kind of difference.

00:32:20.000 I don't know what will happen there.

00:32:21.000 Likely that reform and the Conservative Party will at some point blend together and Nigel Farage will be the leader of the Conservative Party.

00:32:29.000 He's the closest thing to a Donald Trump or a MAGA movement that we have in the UK.

00:32:35.000 I think the crisis in the United Kingdom has been sort of somewhat heightened by border issues and migration issues.

00:32:43.000 Certainly it seems to be something that British people are concerned about, but I think it's a lot deeper than that.

00:32:48.000 I think there's a lot of deep systemic institutional corruption.

00:32:52.000 I think the British people have been betrayed around Brexit and the kind of pledges that were made that Brexit's been somewhat undone and reversed.

00:33:00.000 Mostly, I think it's a culture that's being deliberately sort of collapsed from within, that there's been a process of capitulation to non-national bodies, whether that was the EU when we were members of it.

00:33:14.000 But now it seems that there are still ways of transferring power and wealth out of the hands of British people in institutions that somehow transcend our democracy and even our nation.

00:33:26.000 I won't pretend to understand it, but what I do feel like the solution might be, it is suggested by the way that technology has changed.

00:33:36.000 The current technology enables decentralization, it facilitates local organization.

00:33:44.000 It could easily be used to expedite decentralized states of referenda.

00:33:54.000 Communities of, I would say, of the smallest size conceivable, could be in charge of their own resources, could be in charge of their own expenditure, their own municipal resources.

00:34:06.000 And I think that I don't know how to facilitate this, but I sense that if you can revolutionize the hotel industry through Airbnb and you can revolutionize taxi cabs through Uber, there is the same potential for decentralized or at least mass communicative models, even though I recognize that both Airbnb and Uber are centralized and that probably both of those organizations pay their taxes in some sort of favorable locale.

00:34:37.000 And it could be argued, certainly in the case of Uber, that they exploit their drivers and sort of eviscerate local taxicab economies.

00:34:46.000 I know that's how taxi drivers in London feel.

00:34:50.000 I feel that this technology, if there were an appetite for it, could be used to create local economies, local organization.

00:34:59.000 And what we have the opportunity for, Lindy, my belief is, is a return to traditional methods of agriculture and advanced methods of technology when it comes to communication and ongoing scientific advancement.

00:35:14.000 But the principle that I would most like to advocate for is decentralization, centralized authority only where necessary.

00:35:22.000 And obviously that would mean in defense.

00:35:25.000 But what I would most like to see is communities in control of their own resources, determining how their own communities are run by open discourse and through transparent digital, localized democracy.

00:35:40.000 I think this is possible now.

00:35:42.000 And I think that that's what's being resisted.

00:35:44.000 I think with the advent of online communication, independent media and social media particularly, there has been an attempt to resist the natural flow towards decentralized power.

00:35:56.000 Everyone has a voice now.

00:35:57.000 Everyone can communicate.

00:35:59.000 You can have niche interests in peculiar subjects.

00:36:02.000 You can, as one person with a phone, can become an internet phenomenon and a revelatory journalist.

00:36:10.000 What I feel that we're living through is the attempts of old institutions to maintain power and authority that they can no longer legitimately yield.

00:36:19.000 I don't think there's a requirement anymore to have 400 representatives traveling to some centralized state to govern for populations of like 70 million in the case of UK or over 300 million in the case of US.

00:36:33.000 At least the American Constitution was built to decentralize power through the various states.

00:36:41.000 And I think that a return to local government, state government, maximum democracy should be the guiding principle.

00:36:49.000 And I think what we're experiencing now through, whether it's through Palantir in your country, the US, and their attempts to assert and exert sort of mass surveillance methods.

00:37:00.000 Yeah.

00:37:00.000 Or through the EU in Europe is an attempt to thwart the natural inclination of technology of the type we have now to decentralize power.

00:37:14.000 Old institutions.

00:37:15.000 Yeah, well, that's how I see it, mate.

00:37:20.000 So I reckon what I'm interested in supporting, I don't think there's any point in us being caught up in culture wars or left versus right wars anymore.

00:37:29.000 I think we should be thinking about how is it possible to decentralize power, for people to grow, for communities to be in control of their own resources, especially and in particular food, and for us to look at what baggage we carry from 100 years of faltering and decaying democratic institutions and how we could truly revolutionize them with the tools that we have now.

00:37:53.000 Yeah, I think you bring up a really good point.

00:37:56.000 And just to add to what you said, the decentralization of AI is what we need, I think, because right now in the big beautiful bill, I don't know if you noticed, there's a provision that says all control AI regulation is under the jurisdiction of the federal government rather than state governments.

00:38:15.000 There's been a lot of opposition to that, including from Republicans who see that as a frightening omen.

00:38:23.000 You know, AI, it's already a scary prospect for many people.

00:38:29.000 The last thing we need is to have one entity controlling everything when AI is something that should be readily available to everybody.

00:38:36.000 Imagine the power that one person can have by controlling AI at the national level rather than, as you say, on a regional basis or a state basis.

00:38:47.000 What are your thoughts on AI in particular within the national level?

00:38:50.000 Well, Lindy, I'm interested that there is that provision for, isn't it for a decade there can be no state intervention?

00:38:57.000 I heard about that as well, yeah.

00:38:58.000 Yeah, I did, mate.

00:38:59.000 And it's for me, yeah, you're right, that it indicates a tendency or an inclination towards controlling that extraordinary new power.

00:39:09.000 And AI, like anything, if it were in the hands of individuals, if it were decentralized, there's no reason why it couldn't be used to create more freedom, greater glory, advance in almost every conceivable field.

00:39:24.000 But if, like most technology, it ends up being controlled by elites and elite institutions, it could be terrifying.

00:39:33.000 Reality, I see the world in pretty simple terms, that the agricultural revolution was our species' mastery of nature.

00:39:42.000 The industrial revolution was our species' mastery over matter.

00:39:47.000 And that the AI revolution could be mastery over attention or consciousness itself, that reality itself could become control.

00:39:54.000 That was actually brilliant.

00:39:56.000 Thanks.

00:39:57.000 I've been thinking about it for a little while.

00:39:58.000 I did come up with it.

00:39:59.000 Yeah, I did come up with it.

00:40:01.000 Thanks, Lindy Lee.

00:40:02.000 This is a very good interview for my ego.

00:40:04.000 You're asking me questions.

00:40:06.000 I'm writing a lot of questions.

00:40:06.000 This is the most edifying.

00:40:08.000 Russell, I got to say, I've done a lot of interviews.

00:40:10.000 This is the most edifying interview I've ever done.

00:40:13.000 Usually it's me like, you know, going forth and pouring out information.

00:40:17.000 I am like a sponge right now, just absorbing all information.

00:40:20.000 Well, what I'm sort of really struck by and interested in is your good faith and optimism.

00:40:27.000 And in particular, your ability to generate revenue.

00:40:30.000 You seem like a person that would be an excellent ally.

00:40:33.000 It's a problem now because I have a lot of wolfers around me trying to get a piece. 1.00

00:40:38.000 You know, just like an hour before, I just had to re-up my lawyer again to send some cease and desist because people are trying to get a part of my money.

00:40:45.000 It's just what do you mean, Lindy?

00:40:50.000 Who's after your money?

00:40:51.000 What's going on?

00:40:54.000 Oh, you don't have to tell me anything.

00:40:55.000 Somebody that I thought I could trust.

00:40:57.000 What'd you say?

00:40:58.000 Don't tell me anything that's compromising, obviously.

00:41:00.000 Well, I don't want to, I just, in very broad terms, I'm just going to someone that I thought I could trust is now out for my money.

00:41:06.000 So it's a very unfortunate situation, but the lawyers are going to handle it.

00:41:12.000 It's just, it's also, it's like a, I'm being, I'm a victim of my own success.

00:41:16.000 You know, when people see that you can make money, they try to take it away from you.

00:41:19.000 And the same thing happened.

00:41:20.000 My youngest woman run for Congress. 0.99

00:41:22.000 I raised close to a million dollars and I had consultants trying to scam me.

00:41:27.000 They charge me hundreds of thousands of dollars for sham services.

00:41:31.000 And it's just, it's a recurring motif in my life that people try to take advantage of me.

00:41:36.000 But I'm not here to.

00:41:39.000 Yeah, it's just a way of life, you know?

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00:42:42.000 Well it sounds like a really brilliant skill set that you've got there.

00:42:45.000 Now given that you're responding so positively to these broad strokes that I'm drawing, it seemed to me that whilst Trump's initial success in 2016 was right significant, it was contemporaneous to a lot of other interesting changes across the world that are perhaps less notable.

00:43:00.000 Obviously Brexit is a comparison that people will continually draw in my part of the world.

00:43:06.000 But what people will less likely mention is the rise of Podemos, a Spanish left-wing popular party, and Saritsa, a popular party in Greece that actually got into government after the 2008 crash, which I consider to be sort of perhaps as significant as 9-11 in transforming the complexion of the world global economies and contemporary politics.

00:43:24.000 Do you see that as like the Kyrony in the gold mine?

00:43:27.000 The bird, the Karen. 0.69

00:43:29.000 Did you see that as like the omen for everything that came afterwards?

00:43:34.000 What in particular?

00:43:36.000 Spain, Greece, Great Britain, do you see that as an evolution of progression towards Donald Trump?

00:43:41.000 Did everything that come before kind of signify that Trump was coming?

00:43:45.000 Did you see this coming?

00:43:46.000 No, I didn't.

00:43:47.000 I was really, I didn't think Trump could ever win. 0.96

00:43:49.000 I thought it was ridiculous.

00:43:51.000 No, I was the opposite of insightful when it came to the ascent of Trump.

00:43:57.000 But in retrospect, I've got a 2020 vision.

00:44:00.000 And what I feel is that the collapse of the record industry through Napster, the Arab Spring, and the Occupy movement were all early indicators that politics were going to change.

00:44:13.000 Now, the reason that I believe the categories of misinformation and disinformation have had to be created is because people in positions of institutional power recognized that we were at an important inflection point, that independent media would inevitably blend with independent political movements.

00:44:31.000 And these movements had to be stymied, strangled in the cradle, as it were.

00:44:36.000 Now, that's why I think that during the sort of post-pandemic era and during the pandemic itself, we saw the smearing and attacks of prominent media voices.

00:44:47.000 And I certainly believe that I'm the recipient of such attacks, the utilization of lawfare, the term that's sort of the neologism that's emerged to describe the use of legal attacks to drain people's resources and attack their reputations.

00:45:02.000 I think I'm subject to just such attacks with media working together, potentially with law enforcement, certainly with online.

00:45:11.000 You just, through surrendering to God, Lindy, is how and recognizing that none of us are super important, but there is, well, we're all very, very important to God, but there's something important is happening.

00:45:25.000 Something important is happening now.

00:45:27.000 The canary, to your earlier inquiry, what was the canary In the mind.

00:45:31.000 The Canary, I believe, could have been Napstar, it could have been the Arab Spring, or it could have been the Occupy Movement.

00:45:37.000 In any event, the Canary is long since deceased and at the bottom of the cage.

00:45:43.000 And now, where we are is potentially in a pivotal political moment where we could see the alliance of people from across the political spectrum advocating not just for a new political party, but for new political and institutional movements.

00:46:01.000 And I think the principle that we should be looking to is maximal sovereignty for the individual, maximal sovereignty for the community, and a willingness to overcome cultural and ideological disagreements as long as that's concomitant with regional independence.

00:46:20.000 So what I mean to say is that, say, if you have, let's take a pretty obvious contemporary example, like the, you know, the sort of this flavor of the month Mandami figure in New York, who will likely be, well, is going to be the Democrat candidate and presumably will therefore become the next mayor of New York.

00:46:42.000 If, you know, it's becoming clear that rural communities and urban communities have different political requirements.

00:46:49.000 If a democratic process brings Mam Damani into office, then that's the result of democracy.

00:46:58.000 If that's who people vote for, then that's who people should get.

00:47:01.000 Now, I recognize that you have a sort of personal, familial, and historic problem with communism or certainly Chinese communism.

00:47:09.000 Mamdani doesn't say that he's, I think he says he's not a communist, although he does believe in state empowerment.

00:47:15.000 I don't really believe that, though.

00:47:17.000 Really?

00:47:18.000 Tell me.

00:47:18.000 He claims to want to seize the means of production.

00:47:21.000 Oh, yeah, that's yeah, that's.

00:47:22.000 It sounds like communism to me.

00:47:24.000 Yeah, it does.

00:47:25.000 But like, but the thing that makes me optimistic about it is that people obviously have an appetite for real political change.

00:47:30.000 People have an appetite for real political change.

00:47:33.000 And I think that's a positive thing.

00:47:36.000 That is totally a positive thing.

00:47:38.000 But communism, I think, is not the answer.

00:47:41.000 No, I believe in God.

00:47:44.000 I believe in God too.

00:47:44.000 I'm actually, I wear it.

00:47:47.000 I can't believe I'm showing this to you, but I wear this around my neck everywhere I go.

00:47:52.000 You love our Lord and Savior, Jesus.

00:47:55.000 Wait, should I whip out my Bible too?

00:47:58.000 Get it out.

00:47:59.000 This instant.

00:48:02.000 Are you a follower of Jesus?

00:48:05.000 I am, actually.

00:48:08.000 I didn't expect to do that.

00:48:10.000 I didn't expect to ring props or interview.

00:48:12.000 I'm sorry.

00:48:14.000 There we go.

00:48:15.000 You mentioned earlier, I asked you how you weather adversity and you said just to surrender to God.

00:48:21.000 And it's something that I repeat to myself.

00:48:23.000 Let go and let God.

00:48:26.000 You and I, you've been through so much.

00:48:29.000 I've followed your life for a decade now, and you've weathered so many storms, especially in the public eye.

00:48:37.000 It takes my breath away to witness your strength and fortitude.

00:48:43.000 It's not easy.

00:48:44.000 It's not easy to have your entire life sprawled out for an entire world to see, right?

00:48:50.000 It's very hard.

00:48:52.000 But I'm with you.

00:48:55.000 I support you.

00:48:55.000 And I know millions of people do.

00:48:57.000 Thank you.

00:48:58.000 That's really kind of you to say.

00:48:59.000 I appreciate that, Lindy.

00:49:01.000 Thank you.

00:49:01.000 That's lovely.

00:49:03.000 I'm grateful to you because, yeah, I've been accused of some pretty appalling things.

00:49:08.000 It isn't true.

00:49:09.000 I'm innocent.

00:49:10.000 And when I go to trial, I'll be, by God's grace, acquitted.

00:49:14.000 It's been difficult for me and for my wife and for, not for my children, because we protect them as best as we can from that.

00:49:21.000 But the truth is, yeah, I understand how my own behavior contributed to the conditions that have subsequently been exploited and reframed.

00:49:33.000 And I take responsibility for my own conduct.

00:49:36.000 And I recognize that to live as I lived for a long while was likely to have consequences.

00:49:44.000 It was a very selfish way to live.

00:49:46.000 And evidently, people were harmed and hurt by it.

00:49:50.000 Certainly not in the manner that's been claimed because I've never engaged in any non-consensual activity, nor would I. But what I have to take responsibility for is the fact that if you sleep around with lots of people and if there is an imbalance in power, that's something that can subsequently be looked at differently.

00:50:10.000 But I really appreciate you saying that, Lindy.

00:50:13.000 I really do.

00:50:14.000 And in terms of, you know, being sort of publicly attacked or publicly judged, in a way, it's only really an amplification or exaggeration of what was previously happening.

00:50:28.000 People get an upgrade now.

00:50:30.000 People that don't like me used to just be able to say, oh, I don't like him for this reason.

00:50:34.000 And now they can use deeply pejorative terms to express their dislike of me.

00:50:39.000 And I'm in no position to deny them the right to say whatever they want.

00:50:43.000 And I'm glad we live in a culture generally where people can say what they want.

00:50:47.000 Certainly I would advocate for free speech, even when I don't benefit from that free speech.

00:50:52.000 That's what having principles is all about.

00:50:55.000 But really also, I'm grateful that it's due to the nature of the crisis, meant I've turned and been turned over to Jesus in the most explicit way imaginable, in the deepest way imaginable, inso much as my personal resources have failed me.

00:51:19.000 And before that, I think I've always kind of been a devotee of materialism and what we would have to refer to as a kind of paganism, Lindy, the idea that, you know, through our own humors and our own resources, the own sort of pantheon of inner deities, our own personal Mars and Venus, that we can achieve greatness or if not greatness, fulfillment, that we can achieve fulfillment.

00:51:47.000 And now I don't believe in any of that.

00:51:49.000 I don't believe in any of that.

00:51:50.000 I repent.

00:51:51.000 I turn away from my former life.

00:51:53.000 I turn towards Christ.

00:51:54.000 I am the happy recipient of his grace.

00:51:58.000 I recognize that I'm Saved not through my own merit or my own endeavor, but through his benevolence.

00:52:05.000 Yes, and I pray for an increase in faith so that I can turn to him more.

00:52:11.000 Do you remember what Hebrews chapter 11, verse 1 is?

00:52:15.000 I'm looking at Hebrews chapter 11 right now and the heroes of faith, but I don't know the verse off by heart.

00:52:25.000 Faith is the belief in things that we do not see.

00:52:30.000 And I feel like that's something that both you and I now faith is confidence, what we hope for, and assurance about what we do not see.

00:52:44.000 And I think that encapsulates a lot of what you are telling me.

00:52:48.000 You have, it's like that, it's like that verse, you have found your strength in your weakness.

00:52:57.000 Yes, that's Saint Paul.

00:52:59.000 I boast all the more greatly of my weakness because it's through my weakness that he is strong in me.

00:53:08.000 And yeah, who among us is not at some point going to be confronted at death, if not before, with our own fallibility and vulnerability?

00:53:20.000 Yes, what does it say here?

00:53:21.000 It says, now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

00:53:28.000 For by it the people of old received their commendation.

00:53:30.000 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

00:53:39.000 That's cool.

00:53:41.000 That's great that you brought that verse.

00:53:43.000 Of course, my favorites is also everyone's favorite.

00:53:46.000 1 Corinthians chapter 13.

00:53:52.000 Love is patient.

00:53:53.000 Love is kind.

00:53:53.000 It does not envy.

00:53:54.000 It does not boast.

00:53:56.000 I heard on those verses, Lindy, that you should replace the word love with your own name and see how you can stand to that.

00:54:09.000 Russell doesn't judge.

00:54:10.000 Russell is mind-blowing.

00:54:11.000 My son is mind-blown.

00:54:12.000 Yeah, it's good.

00:54:13.000 It wasn't mine.

00:54:14.000 It was told to me by a British minister.

00:54:18.000 It's a good idea, isn't it?

00:54:19.000 To see if you can leave it.

00:54:20.000 That is a very good idea.

00:54:22.000 I think you all fall short a little bit.

00:54:25.000 Yes, indeed.

00:54:26.000 And also the fruits of the spirit that I have to recognize, man, I need that forbearance.

00:54:33.000 I need patience.

00:54:34.000 I want more joy.

00:54:36.000 I want to be kind.

00:54:37.000 I want to be of benefit to the people that are around me.

00:54:39.000 But sometimes it's difficult if you feel, Lindy, that your life is a kind of battle.

00:54:44.000 And I get the sense that you have felt that in your own every day still.

00:54:49.000 Yeah.

00:54:50.000 Why is that?

00:54:52.000 Well, I mean, I just told you an hour ago, somebody realizes that I can make money and he's trying to take it away from me.

00:55:01.000 And it's just very sad that the moment that people have dollar signs in their eyes, nothing else matters.

00:55:08.000 Like, it just doesn't matter.

00:55:12.000 For a lot of people, their self-interest is everything.

00:55:16.000 So I feel constantly under siege.

00:55:21.000 Oh, Lindy. 1.00

00:55:22.000 Well, then let us accept that politics and the realm of politics can never fulfill us, that we might only find fulfillment in dependency on him, the only person that can take our dependency and our clinging at the foot of the cross, who by his blood has saved us and by his resurrection granted us eternal life.

00:55:46.000 Join us, Lindy, in our campaign to bring about new glory through the service of his name, that none of us are perfect, that all of us are fallible, that except to him, all of us are disposable, that it's only in him that we find our value and our worth.

00:56:04.000 Let's be more explicit in our love of Christ and let's not worship any more false idols.

00:56:09.000 Let's recognize that whether it's Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or Donald Trump or J.D. Vance or Elon Musk or Peter Till or Keir Starmer or Urshela von der Leyen, these people are just human beings like us.

00:56:20.000 We're all on our knees shoulder to shoulder kneeling at the foot of the cross, saved only by his supreme sacrifice, not by our merit.

00:56:27.000 And that let's glory his name and bring his name to as many people as possible together.

00:56:33.000 Then you'll know that when I inevitably let you down because I'm a human being and I'm selfish and self-absorbed and concupiscent and hopeless, that you never believed in me anyway, that you only believed in Jesus Christ, that he is your Savior as much as mine, that he loves us both uniquely and he would die for us if we were the only people that had ever lived.

00:56:56.000 And why don't you dedicate your incredible power to raising money, to his eternal and perpetual service and his grace and preparation for his coming return?

00:57:09.000 I have.

00:57:09.000 I actually, my entire life has been animated by my faith.

00:57:14.000 It has.

00:57:15.000 My life has defied our odds.

00:57:18.000 We don't have all day today, but like I've survived so much.

00:57:22.000 You wouldn't even believe it.

00:57:23.000 You would be stunned if you knew all the things that I've survived.

00:57:27.000 It's just, but you're absolutely right.

00:57:30.000 By the way, do you listen to Christian music?

00:57:34.000 Not really.

00:57:34.000 Why?

00:57:38.000 Remember what Nietzsche said?

00:57:40.000 Without music, life would be a mistake?

00:57:44.000 I'm very much in alignment with that.

00:57:48.000 I'm a classical pianist.

00:57:50.000 Oh, of course.

00:57:53.000 Well, I am.

00:57:55.000 And so music and Christian music in particular, I've been through a lot of pain and it's incredibly healing.

00:58:03.000 I don't know if you're ever looking for solace, but I highly recommend Christian music.

00:58:07.000 There's nothing like it.

00:58:09.000 Well, I'm looking for solace.

00:58:10.000 What Christian music?

00:58:11.000 It's a broad genre.

00:58:12.000 I mean, that could mean Bob Dylan.

00:58:14.000 It could mean Brandon Lake.

00:58:16.000 What do you mean?

00:58:17.000 There's a song in particular, Tis So Sweet.

00:58:20.000 Have you heard of it?

00:58:21.000 No.

00:58:22.000 It's just...

00:58:33.000 No, I wanted to give you the full title of the song.

00:58:36.000 It's Tis So Sweet to Trust in Jesus.

00:58:40.000 Have you heard of it?

00:58:41.000 It's very good.

00:58:42.000 I highly recommend it.

00:58:44.000 It's life transforming.

00:58:45.000 I remember hearing this particular version.

00:58:48.000 And I just stopped.

00:58:51.000 I stopped in my tracks.

00:58:52.000 I was tired.

00:58:54.000 What's going to play now?

00:58:56.000 Do you want me to?

00:59:01.000 By the way, this interview is one of the most unique I've ever had in the interview.

00:59:08.000 This is what I do every night.

00:59:10.000 I listen to Christian music, and it kind of just washes away all of my pain.

00:59:14.000 I know that sounds so weird.

00:59:17.000 Not really.

00:59:19.000 Chef, go ahead.

00:59:32.000 Jesus, Jesus, how I trust you how I true, I will surrender, Jesus, Jesus.

01:00:01.000 Christine,

01:00:14.000 I don't know It's so

01:00:34.000 sweet To trust in Jesus Just to take Him at His word Just to rest upon His

01:01:02.000 promise Just to know the same thought It's so sweet To trust in Jesus Just

01:01:31.000 from sin and self to cease Just from Jesus Simply taking Life and rest And joy and peace And joy and

01:01:57.000 peace Jesus Jesus Jesus How I trust Him How I'm bruised and mourning Amen Jesus Jesus Jesus Precious

01:02:25.000 Jesus Oh So Praise To trust in Him Oh Oh How sweet To trust in Jesus Just to trust in Jesus

01:02:55.000 Just to trust in Jesus Just to trust in Jesus Just to trust in Jesus Just to trust in Jesus And in Jesus And in Jesus He's been to Jesus To trust in Jesus To trust in Jesus To trust in Jesus To trust in Jesus To trust in Jesus Lead the

01:03:17.000 healing, cleansing, pain Oh

01:03:29.000 Jesus, Jesus Our cross Now I pray for Him More and more

01:03:49.000 Jesus, Jesus Precious Jesus All those are raised To trust Him Always To trust Him

01:04:18.000 I'm so glad I learned to trust Him Precious Jesus Save

01:04:33.000 you, friend And I know That Thou art here To live in peace

01:04:49.000 with me till Sorry,

01:05:22.000 I didn't mean for the song to be so long.

01:05:28.000 That's amazing, Lindy.

01:05:29.000 Thank you.

01:05:30.000 So glad you liked it.

01:05:32.000 It was really beautiful.

01:05:34.000 Send me some more recommendations.

01:05:36.000 That's really great.

01:05:37.000 I reckon me and you will do some more things together.

01:05:40.000 I love that.

01:05:41.000 I listen to Christian songs.

01:05:42.000 It's my superpower, actually.

01:05:44.000 If someone were to ask me, it's my superpower.

01:05:50.000 That was good.

01:05:50.000 That was good to hear that today.

01:05:52.000 Is there anything else you want to talk about, Lindy Lee?

01:05:56.000 This is the most extraordinary and beautifully unusual interview I've ever had.

01:06:02.000 Thank you.

01:06:05.000 Thanks for letting me talk a lot and answer questions.

01:06:09.000 I was first in the interviewers when I was a teenager and now I'm unfortunately in my 30s.

01:06:15.000 How old am I?

01:06:17.000 I can't have 25, right?

01:06:19.000 You're 25.

01:06:19.000 I must be.

01:06:20.000 I'm sure I'm 20.

01:06:21.000 I remain 25.

01:06:23.000 I can't have gotten older than that.

01:06:24.000 That can't have happened.

01:06:25.000 That's what I thought.

01:06:26.000 But what I mean is, if you had told me a decade ago that I would be speaking with you, I would not have believed them.

01:06:34.000 So today was incredibly special for me.

01:06:37.000 Well, it's been special for me as well.

01:06:39.000 You're so kind and you're so lovely and you're so bright and you're so brilliant.

01:06:42.000 I hope we can do good things for the kingdom together, Lindy Lee.

01:06:47.000 That would be an honor and a privilege.

01:06:52.000 Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation.

01:06:54.000 Tomorrow, we will be back with our watch along.

01:06:58.000 We're looking at Tommy Robinson's documentary.

01:07:00.000 You might want to watch part one, first of all.

01:07:02.000 Tommy Robinson made a documentary about a British media scandal where a couple of schoolboys, one a Syrian refugee and one a British kid, had a fight and it blew up into a media incident.

01:07:12.000 Tommy Robinson uses that as a kind of fulcrum to analyze British media and British political institutions.

01:07:18.000 He's a divisive figure in the UK, but then, hey, baby, so am I. Is the brilliant watcher along?

01:07:23.000 Let us know if you want to see Tommy Robinson on the show and if you believe like I do that new alliances between people from across the political spectrum, what we would have once regarded as the political spectrum, people from the right, from the left, Christians, atheists, materialists, Jews and Muslims might yet come together to subvert this anti-Christ, draconian, globalist, elitist state establishment.

01:07:47.000 See you tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - July 02, 2025

Abandoning the Democrats – Lindy Li on the Collapse of Trust - SF607

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