Lindy Lee is an American political commentator, campaign advisor, and former Democratic Party leader who now identifies as conservative. She previously served as the Women s Co-chair and Mid-Atlantic Regional Chair of the Democratic National Committee and worked on Asian-American outreach for the Biden 2020 campaign. Once a vocal defender of the Biden administration, she became a fierce critic of the party after the 2024 election.
00:00:58.000Let me tell you a little bit about Lindy Lee for those of you that don't know.
00:01:02.000Lindy Lee is an American political commentator, campaign advisor and former Democratic Party leader who now identifies, oh yeah, as conservative.
00:01:09.000She previously served as the women's co-chair and mid-Atlantic regional chair of the Democratic National Committee and worked on Asian American outreach for the Biden 2020 campaign.
00:01:19.000Once a vocal defender of the Biden administration, she became a fierce critic of the Democratic Party following the 2024 election.
00:01:26.000She's worked with NBC, MSNBC and Fox and she's run for Congress.
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00:02:41.000Most people, if they are familiar with Sheffield at all, it'll be because of maybe the actor Sean Bean or the film The Fall Monty or Sheffield's famous football teams United and Wednesday.
00:03:04.000I heard recently a brilliant theory that the British could be one of the lost tribes of Israel, that there are prophecies that point towards it.
00:03:15.000Certainly politically, though, our country, the United Kingdom, is going through some transformations and some transitions that are, of course, comparable to what's happening in the United States, even though there is a distinct trajectory.
00:03:30.000Lindy, what I mean by that is that Britain is having a kind of moment of nationalism, that Britain is having a moment of, I would say, a kind of crisis of confidence in the institutions of governance.
00:03:46.000I would say that when it comes to a renewed cynicism about institutions of media, that's by virtue of the fact that independent media is a global phenomenon, the subsequent cynicism about centralized legacy media is similarly global.
00:04:08.000One of the reasons I was most excited to speak with you is because you were such a vocal supporter and significant supporter as well as advocate and indeed potentially even Congress member for the Democrat Party.
00:04:25.000And I wonder where you stand politically now, particularly even with recent conversations in the space that both you and I now occupy, where the fracture that's appeared between Donald Trump and Elon Musk,
00:04:41.000the conversations around Thomas Massey, the emergence of Mamdani, the continuing controversy around AOC suggests that something new is being born, even beyond MAGA, Maha, and the resurgence of right-wing politics.
00:06:06.000But you're totally right that there's a lot of discontent because if we had escalated this war in something and if this had deteriorated, this would have been a third war in the Middle East in the past 20 some years, which would have signified Americans learned nothing from our catastrophic mistakes in the last couple of decades.
00:06:27.000But fingers crossed and we'll never get there.
00:06:29.000We'll see What happens in the next couple of days?
00:06:31.000I think it's going to be really critical.
00:06:33.000What for a minute seemed like a very sort of cohesive political movement around MAGA, I mean, given these prominent figures around which the movement coalesced, Elon Musk, Vivek, Ramaswamy, Tulsi Gabbard, Bobby Kennedy, J.D. Vance, but most notably, and obviously Trump himself, the sort of epitome and figurehead of rising populism, a movement that's really changing politics everywhere, not just in your country.
00:07:00.000What I am fascinated by is now there are, there's, I would say, whether it's on the subject of migration, as you've already touched upon, the subject of war, or the subject of the deficit, there are fissures and fractures emerging.
00:07:17.000Now, Elon Musk, you know, this just sort of see this landscape changes so rapidly and radically, Lindy, even in 24 hours, what we're talking about now might have changed.
00:07:28.000But Elon Musk is talking about supporting opponents of the big beautiful bill in primaries.
00:07:35.000Trump is suggesting and threatening even candidates and sort of politicians such as Thomas Massey.
00:07:43.000I wonder if you think that Elon Musk's talk of a third political party in America is just rhetoric or is it something that America should consider?
00:07:56.000Is in fact the ending of these categories of left and right a precursor to the emergence of new political movements?
00:08:07.000Yeah, I understand Elon's frustration.
00:08:10.000I actually sympathize a lot with what he's saying because this bill does add $3 trillion to $33 trillion of debt.
00:08:18.000It's completely unsustainable and my generation, our generation will be paying for that.
00:08:27.000We spend a trillion dollars a year just paying off our interest alone.
00:08:31.000So this is not a sustainable situation at all.
00:08:33.000But I do want to say that the two parties are so deeply entrenched.
00:08:37.000So I don't see the two party system, the two party system going away anytime soon, despite the moribund nature and the dilapidated nature of the Democratic Party.
00:08:47.000It's just so incredibly hard to form a third party.
00:08:50.000I mean, all you have to do is look at Andrew Yang.
00:08:52.000Remember, he made a huge stink about starting the forward party, but where did that go?
00:08:56.000Every day he slips into more irrelevance.
00:09:17.000And I think he feels a little bit ostracized.
00:09:21.000But it doesn't, no one can deny the immense frustration that the grassroots feel about additional wars in the Middle East, additional spending.
00:09:30.000People like Thomas Massey, we can disagree with him on certain matters, but no one can deny that this is a man who sticks by his principles, I believe.
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00:10:52.000Well, the emergence of Trump, you know, 10 years ago, or certainly the descent down the gold escalator and ascent into the public imagination and ultimately into an almost unique position of personal power, I feel like represented a new political epoch.
00:11:12.000And many people might contest, Lindy, that the Republican Party was completely reformed in Trump's image.
00:11:18.000And the party conference prior to his current tenure seemed to be a purge of old Republican figures, an end of the old guard, and a kind of, in a sense, an ascendancy of what began as the Tea Party movement in, I don't know, around 08 or whenever that was, into this new MAGA and somewhat MAHA movement.
00:11:46.000So if Trump can completely reconfigure the Republican Party, even though we still have an entrenched two-party political system, the landscape of American politics has altered.
00:11:57.000Do you think that it is a radical transformation, that Trump is a radically different political figure?
00:12:03.000Or do you imagine that the same financial and institutional interests that have always run America can continue to exert monumental influence even with someone as individualistic and personally potent as Donald Trump?
00:12:38.000I've also, I guess, admittedly, I haven't been on earth that long, but I just, it's just astounding how much he has revolutionized our institutions, our way of normally doing things, our presidential norms.
00:12:51.000And I actually think it's a good thing.
00:12:53.000What he did to USAID, for instance, was absolutely necessary.
00:12:57.000Why are we funneling billions of dollars Around the world for countries that don't even treat us very well.
00:13:04.000Why are we funding transgender operas overseas?
00:13:38.000We needed somebody like Trump to essentially turn over the tables in the temple and start over.
00:13:45.000And I'm really happy to see that they're trying to implement some of the Doge cuts because it's absolutely unnecessary.
00:13:51.000We should not be spending money like a drunken sailor.
00:13:54.000Prior to your vocal condemnation of the Democrats, you were fundraising for the Democrats and supporting them vocally and publicly.
00:14:04.000How long before you publicly denounced the Democrats and began your support of Trump and the Republicans in this current form and incarnation, were you having doubts about, for example, Kamala Harris's candidacy, Biden's cognitive decline and the party's motivation more generally?
00:14:28.000What did you think about Hillary Clinton?
00:14:29.000What did you think about Bernie Sanders?
00:14:56.000The Chinese communist regime murdered my great-grandfather in cold blood.
00:15:00.000So I have an extreme allergy and aversion to anything to do with Marxist ideology.
00:15:07.000And that's everything that Bernie Sanders represented for me.
00:15:10.000So I went to war with the leftist faction about five, six years ago and got tarred and feathered for that.
00:15:16.000And that was my first brush with the hyenas of the Democratic Party.
00:15:19.000And ever since then, I think it's just been a matter of time.
00:15:23.000But the Biden presidency was a whole nother beast because it was a complete lie.
00:15:27.000And unfortunately, Russell, I got to be honest with you, I believed it for a number of years.
00:15:32.000It took me a while to realize, oh my God, they're like, they're lying to us.
00:15:35.000They lied to us about the Hunter Biden situation.
00:15:38.000They told us it was a Russian conspiracy.
00:15:40.000Unfortunately, I believed it because when you have NBC News and the American intelligence community telling you that something is true, I tended to believe them.
00:15:54.000But as a 20-something, I believe them.
00:15:57.000And it took me, I think it took one lie unraveling to make me think, oh, if they're lying about Hunter Biden's laptop, maybe they're lying about Biden's cognitive state, which I actually saw firsthand.
00:16:09.000I didn't really need much to realize that they're lying about that, but other things as well.
00:16:12.000Maybe they were lying about the billions that I helped to raise for Kamala Harris.
00:16:17.000And so it's kind of like a domino effect.
00:16:53.000Why did we spend hard-earned money on that, on celebrity endorsements rather than on bread and butter issues, rather than on showing that we care about the American people?
00:17:02.000But frankly, by that point, I'd already given up.
00:17:09.000Russell, exactly a year ago, actually, exactly a year ago, I went to Fox News basically as a cry for help.
00:17:16.000I reached out to somebody there trying to tell the truth.
00:17:23.000And I remember getting a call from somebody in the Biden White House saying, you're the president's most loyal supporter.
00:17:37.000I stayed loyal to the American people.
00:17:39.000And I told the truth about the state of his cognitive fitness, which isn't very good.
00:17:46.000But this is the type of people they are.
00:17:48.000They imposed, they shoved a conspiracy, a lie, a deception down the throats of the American people, all in the service of Orange Man Bad.
00:17:59.000Do you think, Lindy, that social democracies inclined towards a kind of tyranny over time and therefore amplify the woke cultural aspect of their doctrine over economic policy to mask the fact that really what's happening over time is that in order to increase authority, they're amplifying concern.
00:18:24.000The clearest and best example of that for our audience would be the period of the COVID pandemic where under the auspices of the preservation and protection of human life, authority was increased, censorship increased, control, social control increased, mandating in some cases and near mandating of medications increased.
00:18:49.000And during that period, we got to see that what was posing as a social democratic government, whether that was in the form of Trump, who was obviously in office at the beginning of the pandemic period, or the Biden administration during the majority of the pandemic period, there's a kind of tendency towards authoritarianism that gets masked with the kind of false choices that people are offered in bipartisan democracies.
00:19:18.000Do you think, therefore, Lindy, that this amount of deception that you've observed in what sounds to me like you're describing as a personal political awakening where you began to see the Democrat Party really as a kind of type Of fear, a deceptive machine, a deceptive and manipulative machine.
00:19:38.000Do you think, Lindy, that we might be hopefully moving towards a period where we have to acknowledge that social democracies themselves, as I said at the beginning of this rather long question, incline towards hegemony and tyranny?
00:19:53.000And if that is the case, then perhaps what we're seeing now in this latest spate of controversies and conflict early in the Trump administration, whether it's with Thomas Massey or Elon Musk or some of the other, like, you know, the controversy around the Iran war we started off talking about,
00:20:10.000is actually the kind of, what do I want to say, the kind of collapse of not only our faith in these systems, but the collapse of these systems themselves, artificially Viagraid for a few years by the priapism of Donald Trump, who's like a sort of a very mobile and potent individual.
00:20:31.000But nevertheless, the problems of Western democracy and the collapse of Western democracy go beyond these kind of this left-right argument and sort of problems of deep decline.
00:21:16.000You are spot on about the underlying sickness of our political system.
00:21:22.000It's just, I don't, oh man, I just feel like the whole thing is just, we are living under, well, at least under a Democratic leadership, we were living under the tyranny of trans LGBTQI plus.
00:21:40.000And every year there would be additional letter, if you noticed, every single year they would tack on some, some other color to their flag or some other letter to their acronym.
00:21:49.000And it would just get more ridiculous.
00:21:51.000And Russell, I don't know if you realize this, they didn't consider me American.
00:21:56.000This party of diversity, they didn't think I was American.
00:22:41.000And by the way, the people who are most racist towards me right now aren't the Republicans, the vast majority of whom have been incredibly warm and welcoming towards me.
00:22:52.000The people who are now calling me a Chinese spy, by the way, the Chinese government, as I mentioned, killed my great-grandfather.
00:22:57.000You think I'm going to be spying for them?
00:23:14.000So something's got to change because right now, guess what?
00:23:18.000The Democratic Party is at a 19% approval rating.
00:23:22.000And as you alluded to, there's also dissension within the ranks, within the MAGA ranks.
00:23:27.000But I think, you know, once Trump gets the trade deals figured out, apparently there are a number of trade deals down the pipeline.
00:23:37.000As soon as he irons out the Iran-Israel situation, the Israel-Gaza situation, as soon as interest rates come down, I think his momentum is going to be hard to stop going into the midterms.
00:23:50.000I actually already committed to fundraise for him for free because it is so pivotal that we don't go back.
00:23:57.000We cannot go back to the progressive tyranny that we saw under the Biden administration.
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00:24:05.000You're going to love the rest of this conversation between Lindy and I. We talk about communism, we talk about Christianity, and we talk about the necessity for new emergent political forces.
00:24:16.000I reckon that probably there will be a transformation of the Democrat Party comparable to the transformation of the Republican Party under Trump.
00:24:27.000It's pretty clear, it seemed at least, that the Republican Party was grooming and preparing Jeb Bush as their candidate before their sort of astonishing sequence of explosions.
00:24:37.000Do you remember that moment where he's like, please clap?
00:24:42.000I remember the sort of pure joy and entertainment of Trump's emergence.
00:24:47.000But I was deeply, deeply sort of cynical and kind of aghast at the prospect of a Trump presidency and thought it was kind of ridiculous.
00:24:54.000But in hindsight, what is really ridiculous is none of us saw it coming, that what was being created was a political environment where someone who's a master of public communications, who can be explicit, vernacular and open and natural on camera,
00:25:11.000who understands, who has what we used to ascribe to Princess Diana, a kind of common touch and ability to talk to people in chicken shops and street corners or on construction sites, was going to, particularly in the kind of synthetic and hollow environment vacated by Barack Obama,
00:25:32.000notably, and particularly after his failure to deal with the 2008 economic crisis in a transparent and ethical way, that the stage was set for someone who understood modern media, modern politics, modern communication.
00:25:50.000And whilst he's obviously not a young man, he clearly has an understanding of contemporary communication that far surpasses anyone on the side of the Democrats.
00:25:58.000And also he's not stymied by the sort of the manacles of hypocrisy that bind that party and its movement.
00:26:06.000But I reckon what we'll likely see, I don't know what we'll see, who knows anything, but like one of the things that could happen is that the Democrat Party could reform itself around the character of a charismatic individual, the people that are sort of AOC, Newsome, I suppose would be the most likely people.
00:26:25.000But something extraordinary could happen.
00:26:29.000But what I'm really interested in, Lindy, is the kind of collapse of those parties themselves.
00:26:36.000When you were raising all of that money for the Kamala campaign, how is it that you've gone from being enthusiastic and devoted and committed to feeling so disappointed in it?
00:26:55.000What are the sort of pivotal moments that have taken you from being dedicated and significant, like personally raising a lot of money for the Democrats, it sounds like being kind of despairing of them?
00:27:08.000Yeah, first of all, raising money, I can do that in my sleep.
00:27:17.000So I don't think it's so much as an emblem of Kamala's competence as my just natural fundraising ability that I can transfer from person to person, which is why I was able to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for Trump's inauguration in January 2025, which is just two months later after election day.
00:27:34.000So I don't think it speaks so much to Kamala's strength as my own experience.
00:27:39.000And by the way, I was never paid to do any of that.
00:27:45.000And raising money for campaigns is actually one of the most effective, as Elon demonstrated, is one of the most effective ways to shape policy and have a voice at the table.
00:27:55.000But I have always, as I mentioned, five, six years ago, I was going to war with the leftist people.
00:28:01.000It's still on my, they vandalize my Wikipedia page.
00:28:04.000It's still an entire section on my war with the Bernie bros.
00:28:11.000Everything that they represent is anathema to me.
00:28:15.000Everything from open borders to free college, free this, free that.
00:28:20.000It just completely completely undermines everything I believe in.
00:28:24.000I'm a naturalized immigrant from the United Kingdom.
00:28:37.000We worked our asses off to get to where we are today.
00:28:40.000And that is the kind of mentality that I want to bring, that I want people to bring to America.
00:28:45.000I don't want people leeching off our system, exploiting our system.
00:28:49.000We need, you know, to bring the vibrancy and the immigrant hustle to America.
00:28:54.000We shouldn't have millions of people pouring across the border willy-nilly, people who can't assimilate into our culture, people who are burning cars in the American flag.
00:29:20.000Well, how I feel about the UK is that it's a country with an identity crisis that I suppose probably because we had a conservative and therefore right-wing government for the majority of the pandemic with a kind of populist, albeit somewhat unscrupulous leader in Boris Johnson.
00:29:43.000And what I mean particularly by unscrupulous is a person that would change his political identity for expedience.
00:29:49.000And I suppose a lot of politicians do that.
00:29:52.000But like, had Boris Johnson not been Prime Minister then, he would almost certainly be Prime Minister now.
00:29:58.000The Conservative Party has imploded and has led to the ascent of Keir Starmer and a kind of rebooted Blairist Labour Party.
00:30:09.000What I mean by that is it's a Labour Party that's not in particular socialist except for empowering the state and a kind of doubling down on that concern as control motif that's described social democratic leftist parties for the last, you know, from Clinton onwards, let's say, where we've got the distinct impression that what's behind their care is an attempt to control.
00:30:36.000Again, something that became evident and clear during the COVID pandemic, where evidently the sanctity and regard for the sanctity of life was so extreme that no measure of control was too intrusive or draconian.
00:30:50.000But when you look at the way that the pandemic has played out in terms of the fatalities and the injuries incurred from vaccines, it seems unlikely that the motivation was ever care at all.
00:31:05.000I'm not suggesting that these are sort of conscious efforts that take place.
00:31:08.000It's just a tendency of authority and a tendency of authoritarianism.
00:31:13.000States need to regulate, legislate, control and preserve the system itself.
00:31:18.000Me now, just so you know, Lindy, whilst there is a sort of a, it seems at least by the assessment of current residents of the United Kingdom, a crisis around migration and a lot of social division around,
00:31:33.000in particular, it would seem, is Muslim immigration and perhaps epitomized by the rape gang crisis, the initial refusal to conduct an inquiry into the rape gang until Tommy Robinson made a documentary and Elon Musk reposted it.
00:31:53.000I don't think British people know what it is to be British anymore.
00:31:56.000I don't think we have any political party that people have faith in.
00:32:02.000There's a sort of a lot of, gosh, I would say almost default enthusiasm around Nigel Farage or interest or maybe just the kind of people at least hoping that Nigel Farage and reform can make some kind of difference.
00:32:21.000Likely that reform and the Conservative Party will at some point blend together and Nigel Farage will be the leader of the Conservative Party.
00:32:29.000He's the closest thing to a Donald Trump or a MAGA movement that we have in the UK.
00:32:35.000I think the crisis in the United Kingdom has been sort of somewhat heightened by border issues and migration issues.
00:32:43.000Certainly it seems to be something that British people are concerned about, but I think it's a lot deeper than that.
00:32:48.000I think there's a lot of deep systemic institutional corruption.
00:32:52.000I think the British people have been betrayed around Brexit and the kind of pledges that were made that Brexit's been somewhat undone and reversed.
00:33:00.000Mostly, I think it's a culture that's being deliberately sort of collapsed from within, that there's been a process of capitulation to non-national bodies, whether that was the EU when we were members of it.
00:33:14.000But now it seems that there are still ways of transferring power and wealth out of the hands of British people in institutions that somehow transcend our democracy and even our nation.
00:33:26.000I won't pretend to understand it, but what I do feel like the solution might be, it is suggested by the way that technology has changed.
00:33:36.000The current technology enables decentralization, it facilitates local organization.
00:33:44.000It could easily be used to expedite decentralized states of referenda.
00:33:54.000Communities of, I would say, of the smallest size conceivable, could be in charge of their own resources, could be in charge of their own expenditure, their own municipal resources.
00:34:06.000And I think that I don't know how to facilitate this, but I sense that if you can revolutionize the hotel industry through Airbnb and you can revolutionize taxi cabs through Uber, there is the same potential for decentralized or at least mass communicative models, even though I recognize that both Airbnb and Uber are centralized and that probably both of those organizations pay their taxes in some sort of favorable locale.
00:34:37.000And it could be argued, certainly in the case of Uber, that they exploit their drivers and sort of eviscerate local taxicab economies.
00:34:46.000I know that's how taxi drivers in London feel.
00:34:50.000I feel that this technology, if there were an appetite for it, could be used to create local economies, local organization.
00:34:59.000And what we have the opportunity for, Lindy, my belief is, is a return to traditional methods of agriculture and advanced methods of technology when it comes to communication and ongoing scientific advancement.
00:35:14.000But the principle that I would most like to advocate for is decentralization, centralized authority only where necessary.
00:35:22.000And obviously that would mean in defense.
00:35:25.000But what I would most like to see is communities in control of their own resources, determining how their own communities are run by open discourse and through transparent digital, localized democracy.
00:35:42.000And I think that that's what's being resisted.
00:35:44.000I think with the advent of online communication, independent media and social media particularly, there has been an attempt to resist the natural flow towards decentralized power.
00:35:59.000You can have niche interests in peculiar subjects.
00:36:02.000You can, as one person with a phone, can become an internet phenomenon and a revelatory journalist.
00:36:10.000What I feel that we're living through is the attempts of old institutions to maintain power and authority that they can no longer legitimately yield.
00:36:19.000I don't think there's a requirement anymore to have 400 representatives traveling to some centralized state to govern for populations of like 70 million in the case of UK or over 300 million in the case of US.
00:36:33.000At least the American Constitution was built to decentralize power through the various states.
00:36:41.000And I think that a return to local government, state government, maximum democracy should be the guiding principle.
00:36:49.000And I think what we're experiencing now through, whether it's through Palantir in your country, the US, and their attempts to assert and exert sort of mass surveillance methods.
00:37:15.000Yeah, well, that's how I see it, mate.
00:37:20.000So I reckon what I'm interested in supporting, I don't think there's any point in us being caught up in culture wars or left versus right wars anymore.
00:37:29.000I think we should be thinking about how is it possible to decentralize power, for people to grow, for communities to be in control of their own resources, especially and in particular food, and for us to look at what baggage we carry from 100 years of faltering and decaying democratic institutions and how we could truly revolutionize them with the tools that we have now.
00:37:53.000Yeah, I think you bring up a really good point.
00:37:56.000And just to add to what you said, the decentralization of AI is what we need, I think, because right now in the big beautiful bill, I don't know if you noticed, there's a provision that says all control AI regulation is under the jurisdiction of the federal government rather than state governments.
00:38:15.000There's been a lot of opposition to that, including from Republicans who see that as a frightening omen.
00:38:23.000You know, AI, it's already a scary prospect for many people.
00:38:29.000The last thing we need is to have one entity controlling everything when AI is something that should be readily available to everybody.
00:38:36.000Imagine the power that one person can have by controlling AI at the national level rather than, as you say, on a regional basis or a state basis.
00:38:47.000What are your thoughts on AI in particular within the national level?
00:38:50.000Well, Lindy, I'm interested that there is that provision for, isn't it for a decade there can be no state intervention?
00:38:59.000And it's for me, yeah, you're right, that it indicates a tendency or an inclination towards controlling that extraordinary new power.
00:39:09.000And AI, like anything, if it were in the hands of individuals, if it were decentralized, there's no reason why it couldn't be used to create more freedom, greater glory, advance in almost every conceivable field.
00:39:24.000But if, like most technology, it ends up being controlled by elites and elite institutions, it could be terrifying.
00:39:33.000Reality, I see the world in pretty simple terms, that the agricultural revolution was our species' mastery of nature.
00:39:42.000The industrial revolution was our species' mastery over matter.
00:39:47.000And that the AI revolution could be mastery over attention or consciousness itself, that reality itself could become control.
00:40:08.000Russell, I got to say, I've done a lot of interviews.
00:40:10.000This is the most edifying interview I've ever done.
00:40:13.000Usually it's me like, you know, going forth and pouring out information.
00:40:17.000I am like a sponge right now, just absorbing all information.
00:40:20.000Well, what I'm sort of really struck by and interested in is your good faith and optimism.
00:40:27.000And in particular, your ability to generate revenue.
00:40:30.000You seem like a person that would be an excellent ally.
00:40:33.000It's a problem now because I have a lot of wolfers around me trying to get a piece.
00:40:38.000You know, just like an hour before, I just had to re-up my lawyer again to send some cease and desist because people are trying to get a part of my money.
00:41:44.000Free speech is under attack, Jack, but Rumble refuses to take it lying down.
00:41:49.000Rumble is farting out the fierce cock of authoritarianism and clamping shut the butt cheeks of free speech, baby.
00:41:58.000When major advertisers conspired to pull their dollary dues, even brands like Dunking Donuts turned their back, claiming Rumble had a right-wing culture.
00:42:42.000Well it sounds like a really brilliant skill set that you've got there.
00:42:45.000Now given that you're responding so positively to these broad strokes that I'm drawing, it seemed to me that whilst Trump's initial success in 2016 was right significant, it was contemporaneous to a lot of other interesting changes across the world that are perhaps less notable.
00:43:00.000Obviously Brexit is a comparison that people will continually draw in my part of the world.
00:43:06.000But what people will less likely mention is the rise of Podemos, a Spanish left-wing popular party, and Saritsa, a popular party in Greece that actually got into government after the 2008 crash, which I consider to be sort of perhaps as significant as 9-11 in transforming the complexion of the world global economies and contemporary politics.
00:43:24.000Do you see that as like the Kyrony in the gold mine?
00:43:51.000No, I was the opposite of insightful when it came to the ascent of Trump.
00:43:57.000But in retrospect, I've got a 2020 vision.
00:44:00.000And what I feel is that the collapse of the record industry through Napster, the Arab Spring, and the Occupy movement were all early indicators that politics were going to change.
00:44:13.000Now, the reason that I believe the categories of misinformation and disinformation have had to be created is because people in positions of institutional power recognized that we were at an important inflection point, that independent media would inevitably blend with independent political movements.
00:44:31.000And these movements had to be stymied, strangled in the cradle, as it were.
00:44:36.000Now, that's why I think that during the sort of post-pandemic era and during the pandemic itself, we saw the smearing and attacks of prominent media voices.
00:44:47.000And I certainly believe that I'm the recipient of such attacks, the utilization of lawfare, the term that's sort of the neologism that's emerged to describe the use of legal attacks to drain people's resources and attack their reputations.
00:45:02.000I think I'm subject to just such attacks with media working together, potentially with law enforcement, certainly with online.
00:45:11.000You just, through surrendering to God, Lindy, is how and recognizing that none of us are super important, but there is, well, we're all very, very important to God, but there's something important is happening.
00:45:27.000The canary, to your earlier inquiry, what was the canary In the mind.
00:45:31.000The Canary, I believe, could have been Napstar, it could have been the Arab Spring, or it could have been the Occupy Movement.
00:45:37.000In any event, the Canary is long since deceased and at the bottom of the cage.
00:45:43.000And now, where we are is potentially in a pivotal political moment where we could see the alliance of people from across the political spectrum advocating not just for a new political party, but for new political and institutional movements.
00:46:01.000And I think the principle that we should be looking to is maximal sovereignty for the individual, maximal sovereignty for the community, and a willingness to overcome cultural and ideological disagreements as long as that's concomitant with regional independence.
00:46:20.000So what I mean to say is that, say, if you have, let's take a pretty obvious contemporary example, like the, you know, the sort of this flavor of the month Mandami figure in New York, who will likely be, well, is going to be the Democrat candidate and presumably will therefore become the next mayor of New York.
00:46:42.000If, you know, it's becoming clear that rural communities and urban communities have different political requirements.
00:46:49.000If a democratic process brings Mam Damani into office, then that's the result of democracy.
00:46:58.000If that's who people vote for, then that's who people should get.
00:47:01.000Now, I recognize that you have a sort of personal, familial, and historic problem with communism or certainly Chinese communism.
00:47:09.000Mamdani doesn't say that he's, I think he says he's not a communist, although he does believe in state empowerment.
00:49:46.000And evidently, people were harmed and hurt by it.
00:49:50.000Certainly not in the manner that's been claimed because I've never engaged in any non-consensual activity, nor would I. But what I have to take responsibility for is the fact that if you sleep around with lots of people and if there is an imbalance in power, that's something that can subsequently be looked at differently.
00:50:10.000But I really appreciate you saying that, Lindy.
00:50:14.000And in terms of, you know, being sort of publicly attacked or publicly judged, in a way, it's only really an amplification or exaggeration of what was previously happening.
00:50:30.000People that don't like me used to just be able to say, oh, I don't like him for this reason.
00:50:34.000And now they can use deeply pejorative terms to express their dislike of me.
00:50:39.000And I'm in no position to deny them the right to say whatever they want.
00:50:43.000And I'm glad we live in a culture generally where people can say what they want.
00:50:47.000Certainly I would advocate for free speech, even when I don't benefit from that free speech.
00:50:52.000That's what having principles is all about.
00:50:55.000But really also, I'm grateful that it's due to the nature of the crisis, meant I've turned and been turned over to Jesus in the most explicit way imaginable, in the deepest way imaginable, inso much as my personal resources have failed me.
00:51:19.000And before that, I think I've always kind of been a devotee of materialism and what we would have to refer to as a kind of paganism, Lindy, the idea that, you know, through our own humors and our own resources, the own sort of pantheon of inner deities, our own personal Mars and Venus, that we can achieve greatness or if not greatness, fulfillment, that we can achieve fulfillment.
00:51:47.000And now I don't believe in any of that.
00:55:22.000Well, then let us accept that politics and the realm of politics can never fulfill us, that we might only find fulfillment in dependency on him, the only person that can take our dependency and our clinging at the foot of the cross, who by his blood has saved us and by his resurrection granted us eternal life.
00:55:46.000Join us, Lindy, in our campaign to bring about new glory through the service of his name, that none of us are perfect, that all of us are fallible, that except to him, all of us are disposable, that it's only in him that we find our value and our worth.
00:56:04.000Let's be more explicit in our love of Christ and let's not worship any more false idols.
00:56:09.000Let's recognize that whether it's Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or Donald Trump or J.D. Vance or Elon Musk or Peter Till or Keir Starmer or Urshela von der Leyen, these people are just human beings like us.
00:56:20.000We're all on our knees shoulder to shoulder kneeling at the foot of the cross, saved only by his supreme sacrifice, not by our merit.
00:56:27.000And that let's glory his name and bring his name to as many people as possible together.
00:56:33.000Then you'll know that when I inevitably let you down because I'm a human being and I'm selfish and self-absorbed and concupiscent and hopeless, that you never believed in me anyway, that you only believed in Jesus Christ, that he is your Savior as much as mine, that he loves us both uniquely and he would die for us if we were the only people that had ever lived.
00:56:56.000And why don't you dedicate your incredible power to raising money, to his eternal and perpetual service and his grace and preparation for his coming return?
01:00:34.000sweet To trust in Jesus Just to take Him at His word Just to rest upon His
01:01:02.000promise Just to know the same thought It's so sweet To trust in Jesus Just
01:01:31.000from sin and self to cease Just from Jesus Simply taking Life and rest And joy and peace And joy and
01:01:57.000peace Jesus Jesus Jesus How I trust Him How I'm bruised and mourning Amen Jesus Jesus Jesus Precious
01:02:25.000Jesus Oh So Praise To trust in Him Oh Oh How sweet To trust in Jesus Just to trust in Jesus
01:02:55.000Just to trust in Jesus Just to trust in Jesus Just to trust in Jesus Just to trust in Jesus And in Jesus And in Jesus He's been to Jesus To trust in Jesus To trust in Jesus To trust in Jesus To trust in Jesus To trust in Jesus Lead the
01:06:26.000But what I mean is, if you had told me a decade ago that I would be speaking with you, I would not have believed them.
01:06:34.000So today was incredibly special for me.
01:06:37.000Well, it's been special for me as well.
01:06:39.000You're so kind and you're so lovely and you're so bright and you're so brilliant.
01:06:42.000I hope we can do good things for the kingdom together, Lindy Lee.
01:06:47.000That would be an honor and a privilege.
01:06:52.000Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation.
01:06:54.000Tomorrow, we will be back with our watch along.
01:06:58.000We're looking at Tommy Robinson's documentary.
01:07:00.000You might want to watch part one, first of all.
01:07:02.000Tommy Robinson made a documentary about a British media scandal where a couple of schoolboys, one a Syrian refugee and one a British kid, had a fight and it blew up into a media incident.
01:07:12.000Tommy Robinson uses that as a kind of fulcrum to analyze British media and British political institutions.
01:07:18.000He's a divisive figure in the UK, but then, hey, baby, so am I. Is the brilliant watcher along?
01:07:23.000Let us know if you want to see Tommy Robinson on the show and if you believe like I do that new alliances between people from across the political spectrum, what we would have once regarded as the political spectrum, people from the right, from the left, Christians, atheists, materialists, Jews and Muslims might yet come together to subvert this anti-Christ, draconian, globalist, elitist state establishment.
01:07:47.000See you tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.