Stay Free - Russel Brand - Amelia, the Backfire That Birthed an Icon — SF677

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

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00:01:09.000 You, Gregory Peck.

00:01:10.000 That's what you need, your poor sods. 0.67

00:01:11.000 Especially if you're in a global holy war with old Russ. 0.99

00:01:15.000 Not against old Russ, with old Russ.

00:01:17.000 It's the powers of evil against whom we fight, whether it's in legal trials or ideological quarrels.

00:01:23.000 And the British state is as fine an example of evil as you'll ever meet.

00:01:27.000 And they're even trying to use counterfeit simulacrum models to fight against the people.

00:01:31.000 Yes, that's right.

00:01:32.000 The Home Office launched a video game in an attempt to get young people on side.

00:01:37.000 Hello there, fellow young people.

00:01:39.000 And they created this character, Amelia, that's been delightfully turned against them.

00:01:42.000 I'll be discussing that as well as our podcast, Crack On, where we talk about recovery with the friend of the show, Jake Smith, producer, here as always.

00:01:51.000 Hello.

00:01:52.000 Couldn't find a Christian rock star recorded.

00:01:52.000 What's the matter?

00:01:55.000 And then there's Dave Fields here, entrepreneur and Wonder Man.

00:02:00.000 Thanks.

00:02:01.000 It's good to see you.

00:02:02.000 But he grew up in care in a foster home.

00:02:06.000 He's Dave.

00:02:08.000 Over there in the UK.

00:02:10.000 There he is.

00:02:11.000 The man himself talks with his fists and speaks with a lisp.

00:02:16.000 Joe McCann, the great supple.

00:02:18.000 You're right, Joe.

00:02:19.000 I'm all right, mate.

00:02:20.000 How you doing?

00:02:21.000 I feel quite good.

00:02:22.000 Sometimes I feel a feeling in my stomach.

00:02:23.000 I don't know.

00:02:23.000 It's probably fear or something, but generally, I'm okay.

00:02:26.000 I'm generally okay.

00:02:27.000 Let's do this Amelia thing.

00:02:28.000 Then we'll do our podcast, Crack On.

00:02:29.000 We've been joined by Preston, who's our mate.

00:02:31.000 Our train down East Jim.

00:02:32.000 He's double R'd. 1.00

00:02:33.000 He's come out of, I don't know, what is he?

00:02:34.000 A Marine or something.

00:02:35.000 Who knows him?

00:02:36.000 We should find that out.

00:02:36.000 You mates who are.

00:02:38.000 Some kind of special forces.

00:02:39.000 He's special forces.

00:02:40.000 Awesome guy. 0.95

00:02:41.000 Look, I'm not gay, but I'm gay for these are my two people I go a bit gay for gangsters and special forces.

00:02:51.000 I'm I like when someone's in special forces. 0.54

00:02:53.000 I'm like brilliant.

00:02:56.000 Is it hard in here?

00:02:58.000 What did you?

00:02:58.000 Oh, I suppose you did a lot of operations behind enemy lines, did you?

00:03:10.000 Did you have to get into an embassy siege, did you?

00:03:15.000 Did you get involved in Iran Contra?

00:03:17.000 Oh, have you got some nice hostages in there ever?

00:03:21.000 Do you remember when Kier Starmer said sausages instead of hostages at a press conference as well?

00:03:26.000 He went like, we'll get the release of these sausages.

00:03:29.000 Hostages?

00:03:30.000 See, like you said, sausages now.

00:03:32.000 There's no coming back from that.

00:03:33.000 Forget it. 1.00

00:03:34.000 You might as well kill them. 1.00

00:03:35.000 But if I sis we're watching that, I just go, fuck it. 1.00

00:03:38.000 Because what's the point? 1.00

00:03:38.000 Their lives are meaningless. 1.00

00:03:39.000 You've just accidentally described them as sausages.

00:03:43.000 Like, you can't be taken seriously if you say sausage instead of hostage.

00:03:46.000 I don't know.

00:03:46.000 Can you?

00:03:47.000 Let me know in the comments and chat.

00:03:48.000 If you haven't got Rumble Premium yet, get Rumble Premium now.

00:03:51.000 So that you can arm yourself, not necessarily with the facts, but certainly a perspective that's honest, open and good-hearted to oppose the endless, senseless propaganda that constitutes what I want to call it, the substance of the mainstream.

00:04:08.000 The Home Office, that's the British State Department, say, they launched this video game to sort of get young kids to think a certain way about immigration.

00:04:17.000 Now, you might even think that an open-hearted and compassionate approach to migration is the way to go.

00:04:22.000 Certainly, I know that ultimately we must love and take care of one another.

00:04:27.000 But what I hate even more than sort of racism, bigotry, and even violent race wars is sanctimony and sentimentality.

00:04:35.000 And the British government have got nothing left to offer.

00:04:38.000 They say that sentimentality is unearned emotion.

00:04:42.000 And certainly the British government are running on unearned power.

00:04:45.000 And that's why they make blunders and mistakes like this, making video games to reach out to the kids that somehow completely miss the mark.

00:04:53.000 Like an anti-drug campaign when you're at school.

00:04:56.000 Like when they bring the police to your schools, go, okay, a police officer going to talk to you today, kids, about why not to do drugs.

00:05:02.000 And then the police officer shows you all the different types of drugs. 0.94

00:05:04.000 And you're just sitting there thinking, them drugs look pretty fucking good to me, man.

00:05:09.000 They never ever get it right because they're fundamentally wrong. 0.91

00:05:13.000 Here's a British media organisation, a radio station in this instance, commenting on it.

00:05:18.000 Oh, actually, let's start with the original game.

00:05:19.000 This is how the character of Amelia was intended to be used.

00:05:22.000 Charlie has been chilling out all afternoon.

00:05:25.000 They have been scrolling on social media.

00:05:28.000 This is part of a video that seems to be getting... 1.00

00:05:31.000 That fucking working class accent they're using. 0.99

00:05:33.000 They're trying to reach out. 1.00

00:05:34.000 They spot a video.

00:05:36.000 We took your language.

00:05:37.000 We're the government.

00:05:38.000 We're just like, seems to be getting a lot of attention. 0.59

00:05:42.000 Charlie watches the video and learns from the video that Muslim men are stealing the places of British war veterans in emergency accommodation. 1.00

00:05:51.000 In the video, they explain that the government is betraying white British people and we need to take back control of our country.

00:06:00.000 Charlie couldn't believe what they were seeing.

00:06:02.000 Do we ever see Amelia in the video?

00:06:04.000 Or no, look.

00:06:08.000 Charlie immediately began typing comments and sharing the video with their friends and family, wondering what they could do to stop this.

00:06:15.000 As the likes, comments and shares came in, they felt that they had performed a patriotic service by standing up for veterans and white people's rights.

00:06:23.000 Unfortunately, Charlie didn't realize that some of the groups they were engaging with online were actually illegal.

00:06:30.000 Charlie thought about all the difficult choices that there used to be an advert called Charlie Says when I was a kid that was meant to be protecting you from paedophiles as a matter of fact.

00:06:38.000 It was like a cat called Charlie.

00:06:39.000 They would regularly trot this cat out actually to tell us, you know, don't get in a van with a geezer offering up puppies and candy, which frankly we already knew would be an unwise action.

00:06:51.000 And they're still using the same sort of timbre, that bureaucratic emptiness, that sort of sense of counterfeit mimicry that always accompanies any government endeavour because their power is fake power and their motives are fake motives.

00:07:06.000 Well, their stated motives are fake.

00:07:08.000 Their motive is to control you and make that control look like care.

00:07:11.000 Oh, it didn't mean to be racist.

00:07:14.000 you, but you've accidentally pulled a whole chalet.

00:07:16.000 You've got to join the Nazi organization because you've got a couple of likes. 0.78

00:07:20.000 It's simultaneously patronising and inaccurate and incorrect.

00:07:25.000 And they always make the same assumption. 1.00

00:07:27.000 You are too stupid to understand. 1.00

00:07:29.000 We need to control your information. 1.00

00:07:31.000 The opposite is true. 1.00

00:07:32.000 They are too stupid to understand. 1.00

00:07:34.000 They should be transparent. 1.00

00:07:36.000 We ought to be allowed privacy.

00:07:38.000 That is your right.

00:07:39.000 Intimacy with God, unimpeded by any brokerage or secondary agency, is your birthright and in fact the purpose of your book.

00:07:46.000 All the difficult choices they had needed to make in the last few weeks.

00:07:50.000 Charlie was seeing their dad at the weekend.

00:07:53.000 He lives in all, so their weekends look very different to th- He lives in all. 0.95

00:07:57.000 We're so fucking working class, we don't even say H. We're working class from t-fifties. 0.95

00:08:04.000 We say things like thee and thou. 0.98

00:08:06.000 Ooh, alright there.

00:08:08.000 Ooh, have you accidentally become racist because of t-misinformation?

00:08:12.000 Oh, t misinformation's got a god made me feel all racist.

00:08:18.000 Charlie's friend Amelia immediately looked interested and told them about a protest she wished she could go to herself, but was not allowed.

00:08:27.000 Amelia spoke of a gathering that had been organised by a small political group.

00:08:32.000 They would come together and protest the changes that Britain has been through in the last few years.

00:08:37.000 It was Tommy Robinson. 0.99

00:08:39.000 Tommy Robinson, he's a chippy little bastard from Luton. 1.00

00:08:43.000 You cannot trust him. 1.00

00:08:44.000 He's unreliable.

00:08:45.000 Why don't they just come out and say that it's Tommy Robinson?

00:08:48.000 They worry about Tommy Robinson.

00:08:49.000 The reason that Tommy Robinson's had such traction and impact is because whatever he is or isn't, he is plainly authentic and he's bold.

00:08:59.000 He's brave.

00:09:00.000 I bet there's a hundred things I'd disagree with Tommy Robinson on.

00:09:03.000 But what I agree with him on fundamentally is telling the truth, boldness, bravery, being willing to confront your opponents openly.

00:09:11.000 And it seems he did some pretty valuable investigative work on uncovering rape gangs.

00:09:17.000 Thousands and thousands of victims reported that they were raped in police stations contemporaneously.

00:09:24.000 Recent reports to the police that they had been raped.

00:09:28.000 Let me know in the comments and chat why the Metropolitan Police Force or the relevant boroughs and the Crown Prosecution Service wouldn't be interested in this spate of significant crimes and why such significant endeavors were undertaken to constrict, restrict, control and jail Tommy Robinson.

00:09:45.000 And of course this kind of government video.

00:09:47.000 Tommy Robinson, people think he was jailed for no reason.

00:09:50.000 Often he was jailed for sort of peculiar misdemeanours, mortgage, fraud, not using the correct kind of passport.

00:09:56.000 Again, this is not advocacy for everything Tommy Robinson's ever said or ever done.

00:10:00.000 He's a pretty full-on, passionate, full-blooded person.

00:10:03.000 He's obviously got a history of doing all sorts of stuff.

00:10:05.000 And hey, I've made some mistakes as well, but I haven't done the things I've been accused of.

00:10:10.000 And I believe I've been accused of those things because of some of the things I've done that were not mistakes.

00:10:14.000 And here are those things.

00:10:15.000 Standing up for what I believe in, opposing establishment narratives, being willing to call out media lies and say how it is.

00:10:24.000 You can't trust the government.

00:10:25.000 Let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with that, and let's have a look at some more of their ill-judged, poorly delivered propaganda.

00:10:31.000 ...has been through in the last few years, and the erosion of British values.

00:10:36.000 Amelia talked about the banners and the pickets that her friends had made for the events, and expressed a real regret that she could not go, begging Charlie to go in her place.

00:10:51.000 Charlie decided this would be a good use of their time.

00:10:55.000 Considering all the things they had seen and heard over the last few weeks, it would be good to express their feelings about it with Wake.

00:11:03.000 Is it like Charlie's going to die, any?

00:11:04.000 Or get beaten up or arrested or something?

00:11:07.000 He seems like a pretty sweet lad, this Charlie.

00:11:08.000 This reminds me of the success of that knife crime drama that occurred a little while ago that had the brilliant British actor in it.

00:11:16.000 What's his name, that lad from Liverpool?

00:11:17.000 I can't remember most of the name and all.

00:11:19.000 Anyway, like there's this knife crime drama that done well, even won Emmys and stuff in your country.

00:11:25.000 But the reason it was primarily promoted is that the knife crime drama told a story of young people being corrupted by social media.

00:11:35.000 That young people, all these poor, vulnerable kids, they're all getting manipulated and manoeuvred.

00:11:41.000 By, you know, Andrew Tate is the one that people primarily point to in such an instance.

00:11:46.000 But the fact is, is the people that I mean, have you got any idea of the scope and scale and sheer number of children that go missing every year?

00:11:54.000 Have you looked into it?

00:11:55.000 Jake, have a look at that, mate.

00:11:55.000 Do you know the number?

00:11:56.000 Just do a chat GPT search.

00:11:58.000 Number of kids that go missing every year in the UK.

00:12:00.000 Number of kids that go US.

00:12:02.000 It's like in your country, it's like 100,000.

00:12:05.000 In mine, it's like 40,000.

00:12:06.000 It's extraordinary.

00:12:08.000 So there's something else happening to children that isn't Andrew Tate.

00:12:12.000 And I don't know what it is, but I think it has to do with trafficking.

00:12:16.000 I think it's connected to the reluctance of people in high office to address real, actual sex crimes and global sex crimes.

00:12:24.000 Let me know in the comments and chat what you think.

00:12:26.000 UK around 75,000 individual children and young people reporting missing.

00:12:31.000 In terms of incidents, there are more many repeated cases, over 200,000 missing incidents involving children in a single year.

00:12:38.000 I mean, I wonder if these kids are being found again, but 200,000, that does seem an incredible amount.

00:12:43.000 Someone just, I just saw it posted somewhere.

00:12:44.000 And of course, all of us have to be circumspect and judicious about information.

00:12:48.000 But do you use ChatGPT?

00:12:50.000 Chat GPT is generally speaking, I'd say, let me know in the comments and chat, inclined towards being somewhat supportive of institutional power.

00:12:58.000 And it seems to me that it's probably funded, founded, and guided by the establishment interests that currently exist and probably is an amplification of them.

00:13:06.000 I mean, if the BBC has an AI, it's ChatGPT.

00:13:11.000 If, say, I don't know, something like, well, it's X, isn't it? 0.56

00:13:16.000 X and Grok.

00:13:17.000 It's an obvious comparison.

00:13:18.000 So it's going to have its own biases, but at least its base is formed.

00:13:21.000 I mean, you know a lot more than me, Dave, about how such things are.

00:13:24.000 What is ChatGPT?

00:13:26.000 I mean, I know it's almost inconceivable because it has such vast resources, but what are the differences between Grok and Chat GPT, mate?

00:13:32.000 Well, it's not necessarily that, I mean, it does fall on OpenAI to how they train their model.

00:13:41.000 But what it also has to do is where it's getting the information from.

00:13:44.000 So where's it getting the information from?

00:13:46.000 The New York Times, the BBC, like, I mean, it's the sources are what's feeding it.

00:13:53.000 And there's responsibility on their part of how they train it and adjust it and adjust their parameters around it.

00:14:02.000 Where Grok will not necessarily rank a New York Times article the same way it would rank, you know, it'll more aggregate lots of articles.

00:14:13.000 These attempts to create hierarchies of information are ultimately about control.

00:14:19.000 And even for someone like me who suffered at the hands of the media establishment, I still feel a kind of pang when I see the logos of the New York Times or The Guardian or the BBC or CNN.

00:14:32.000 And by that, I mean the pang of authoritative branding.

00:14:36.000 I don't mean I loathe and detest them and see them as liars, although in my heart and my spirit, I know that that's the case, that that's their fundamental function and essential role in the culture is to lie to you and deceive you.

00:14:47.000 I know there's really good people that work there.

00:14:48.000 I've actually worked in some of those places.

00:14:51.000 But the point of them is to lie to you and deceive you.

00:14:54.000 And what I mean by that is if lying to you and deceiving you was removed, you would remove them also.

00:14:59.000 Whereas something like, no, no, this show, we've, of course, you know, buy these products or buy that product.

00:15:06.000 I'm aware that Peter Thiel is involved and I'm aware of Larry Ellison and Oracle and Palantir and the power of these enormous organizations.

00:15:14.000 But I'm telling you now, no one has ever told me you can't say this or you can say that.

00:15:18.000 And presumably it's because they're aware of limitations of reach and the fact that the kind of content I make currently, particularly while these trials are taking place, shadow banned and controlled to such a degree that doesn't really represent a significant threat.

00:15:28.000 But you always represent a significant threat.

00:15:31.000 Your attention, your consciousness and your decisions are important.

00:15:33.000 And that's why the government's gone to the trouble of making for the population of the UK this extraordinary piece of propaganda.

00:15:41.000 But what's delightful and heartening is what began as an attempt to control has, of course, as is often the case with the internet, been mobilized and metabolised into a weapon.

00:15:52.000 She's kind of Amelia is like the white working class's N-word. 0.98

00:15:56.000 It was used as a slur and an attack and as a derogatory term, but it has now been turned into a weapon against those very forces.

00:16:05.000 Let's watch the rest of this bit of propaganda.

00:16:07.000 Like-minded individuals.

00:16:09.000 They went home and made a banner to take with them to the protest.

00:16:12.000 Charlie arrived at the protest and was swept up by the atmosphere.

00:16:17.000 It was great to see so many people there.

00:16:20.000 Everything was going well until Charlie almost became involved in a fight by accident.

00:16:25.000 I've almost nearly become involved in a fight by accident.

00:16:28.000 Get stuck in, Charlie, little book.

00:16:31.000 The police saw they were part of a group and took their details.

00:16:35.000 Charlie was frightened by this, not knowing if their parents would be informed.

00:16:39.000 Well, given his dad's clearly Adolf Hitler, he's got bigger fish to fry. 0.88

00:16:43.000 If their parents would be informed, some of their choices had led to changes in friendship, and Charlie was feeling low, as they weren't sure if they had made the right decisions.

00:16:53.000 The teacher had noticed this and decided to reach out.

00:16:56.000 The teacher sat with them and talked openly and frankly about the ideology that Charlie had discovered.

00:17:02.000 The teacher reassured that Charlie had made the right decisions.

00:17:06.000 Charlie realized that if they had them, they are still doing that.

00:17:14.000 Respect and love everybody.

00:17:15.000 Someone wants to be called doctor, call them doctor.

00:17:17.000 Someone wants to be called she, call them she. 0.98

00:17:20.000 That's government propaganda, so it shows you what it really believes, huh?

00:17:24.000 Had chosen to engage with these harmful ideas, the consequences would have been very different.

00:17:30.000 Charlie was referred to Prevent and Channel.

00:17:32.000 Charlie was assigned a mentor to help them one-to-one.

00:17:35.000 Do you want to mentor?

00:17:37.000 Do you want a mentor from Chewbacca?

00:17:40.000 To help them one-to-one.

00:17:41.000 Someone who had been in their shoes.

00:17:43.000 They were reluctant at first, but gradually warmed to their mentor, forming trust with them, having heard and understood the similarities between them.

00:17:52.000 What?

00:17:53.000 You play computer games?

00:17:54.000 I play computer games.

00:17:56.000 You hate immigrants? 0.99

00:17:57.000 I hate immigrants. 1.00

00:17:58.000 You nearly accidentally almost got in a fight at a riot. 0.99

00:18:02.000 I nearly almost accidentally got into a fight.

00:18:04.000 Your dad's a dead ringer for Adolf Hitler.

00:18:07.000 My dad looks like Benito Mussolini. 1.00

00:18:09.000 What the fuck's going on in this school, in this world? 0.99

00:18:12.000 What are they depicting? 0.99

00:18:14.000 In their attempt to emulate modernity, they show how antiquated they are.

00:18:19.000 Similarities between them. 0.99

00:18:21.000 The mentor was honest about the dick. 1.00

00:18:26.000 Those two boys don't kiss. 1.00

00:18:28.000 They've lost their touch.

00:18:30.000 Dangers of following a harmful ideology.

00:18:32.000 And the message resonated with Charlie.

00:18:35.000 Charlie had been informed of the support they would receive from Prevent, including skills support and family sessions.

00:18:42.000 With all these gentler interventions, Charlie was able to rebuild their confidence, find their identity, and continue their college course successfully.

00:18:51.000 Oh god, it was saying their identity.

00:18:54.000 Oh my god, what do they think they're dealing with?

00:18:57.000 I'm so delighted by the emergence of a punk spirit.

00:19:01.000 Remember, punk when it emerged in our great country was a response to deception, hypocrisy, and a pop culture that had become infatuated with glamour and progressivism, certainly in terms of its musical style.

00:19:18.000 And punks was a true working class return to just pick up a guitar and make your own art. 0.96

00:19:26.000 One of the things that's positive about internet culture, and Lord alone knows there are many things that are negative, is that we can do the same.

00:19:32.000 You can do the same.

00:19:33.000 You can make your own shows, you can make your own art.

00:19:35.000 And indeed, they have done.

00:19:37.000 They have turned Amelia into a global icon.

00:19:41.000 Let's have a look at what the internet has done with Amelia. 1.00

00:19:45.000 Amelia is an AI purple-haired goth girl originally created for an anti-extremism computer game generated by the Home Office. 0.97

00:19:54.000 I'll just tell you briefly that that's Andrew Maher, long-time BBC employee, currently, as you can see, working for a radio station called LBC.

00:20:02.000 And it was to him that Noam Chomsky made the famous remark under these circumstances when Chomsky had written his book, The Manufacturer of Consent, which described how medium institutions and political organisations created a reality for ordinary citizens to operate within and without us ever knowing that we were consenting to being controlled, i.e., the manufacture of consent.

00:20:25.000 You don't know where the information that you believe in has come from.

00:20:29.000 You don't know what the goals of the powerful are, and you don't know how to meaningfully change the power bases in your own country or in your own systems of government.

00:20:39.000 Andrew Ma, then a BBC employee, said, but I'm a journalist.

00:20:43.000 I work for the BBC and I haven't been told what to say.

00:20:47.000 And Chomsky said memorably and famously, no, that's not what I'm saying.

00:20:50.000 That's not it at all.

00:20:52.000 What I'm saying is, if you didn't amplify their message, you wouldn't be sitting in that chair.

00:21:00.000 It's been pre-chewed.

00:21:02.000 You don't even know you're part of the system.

00:21:05.000 Because if you were a problem to the system, you'd have been thrown out of your school.

00:21:09.000 You found yourself continually in trouble.

00:21:11.000 You've already been groomed.

00:21:13.000 By the Home Office, but now an increasingly outspoken, anti-Muslim, flag-waving so-called English patriot.

00:21:20.000 She has become very popular.

00:21:22.000 And here she is in action.

00:21:24.000 I'm Amelia.

00:21:25.000 I'm English.

00:21:26.000 And I love England.

00:21:28.000 I like having fish and chips and a pint at the local pub.

00:21:34.000 I like pork sausage and dogs and fashion.

00:21:38.000 This character has essentially been taken over.

00:21:41.000 And it's staggering that how quickly this has proliferated across the internet.

00:21:44.000 The middle of last week from nothing at the start of January, there were...

00:21:48.000 There was nothing at the start of January.

00:21:50.000 Look at it now.

00:21:52.000 Do you know what the internet is?

00:21:53.000 Do you know what it does to time?

00:21:55.000 There was nothing there.

00:21:56.000 And now there's something there.

00:21:59.000 I pulled the skin bat on my winky and the night time when I got to bed, there was nothing there.

00:22:04.000 When I woke up in the morning, it felt and smelled most unusual, like a spreadable dairy product.

00:22:11.000 There was nothing at night.

00:22:12.000 There's something in the morning.

00:22:14.000 Why does this keep happening in today?

00:22:16.000 There were 12,000 posts involving this character in one day.

00:22:20.000 The other thing that's perhaps most damning about this is Elon Musk himself has now retweeted an account which has created a cry that's no good.

00:22:31.000 It's funny.

00:22:32.000 Did a cryptocurrency behind this particular meme.

00:22:35.000 So you can now get an Amelia coin because, let's face it, right-wingers need another cryptocurrency.

00:22:43.000 Is that your joke of the week, is it?

00:22:45.000 Because I've noticed they've already got crypto. 1.00

00:22:49.000 You poor fuckers. 1.00

00:22:51.000 Listen, it's not about right and left anymore. 1.00

00:22:53.000 It's that the constraints that have been previously imposed are bursting and breaking out.

00:22:58.000 LBC ain't in control no more.

00:22:59.000 You can't make little cozy government videos telling people to stand back when there's a firework or be careful or you might slip over.

00:23:06.000 The machine is quaking and breaking.

00:23:08.000 People are waking up and they're using the system against itself.

00:23:11.000 And frankly, it's brilliant.

00:23:12.000 Just so you know, if you care, I'm not anti-Muslim.

00:23:14.000 I'm not anti-anything.

00:23:16.000 I believe in Christ Jesus and Christ Jesus has a gospel of love and redemption and forgiveness and resurrection.

00:23:22.000 And I want to share that with as many people as possible because that's my job like any Christian.

00:23:26.000 It's the same job for all of us.

00:23:27.000 None of us are different.

00:23:28.000 No one cares about what your haircut is or where you come from or what your accent is. 1.00

00:23:32.000 But me as a comedian, oh, that's I love that shit. 1.00

00:23:35.000 I love it when people's attempts to control blow up in their faces. 1.00

00:23:40.000 A cryptocurrency.

00:23:41.000 Elon Musk is now promoting that.

00:23:44.000 And this is monetizing hate.

00:23:45.000 This is one of the clearest examples.

00:23:47.000 Hate that's being monetized.

00:23:48.000 It's not hate, it's sarcasm.

00:23:50.000 There's a real difference there.

00:23:52.000 That's not hateful.

00:23:54.000 I think it's hateful to make a patronising cartoon that assumes that working class people aren't capable of making decisions about their own country, their own culture, their own religion.

00:24:02.000 And that's a trend that's lasted a long, long while.

00:24:04.000 Long before Amelia or this ridiculous new system of messaging, people were being condemned for having white vans or flags outside their houses.

00:24:11.000 And if you're a person like me that grew up in streets with white vans and flags outside their houses, you feel this kind of bridling anger growing inside of you.

00:24:19.000 And while you might know that nations aren't real and there's more important things in life than white vans and fish and chips and anti-establishment politics, you get the sense of something deep that's happening and it's divine control being posited in human hands.

00:24:33.000 And worst of all, they're lying to you about it.

00:24:34.000 They're telling you that they're trying to help you.

00:24:36.000 We're just trying to help you, chill.

00:24:39.000 You've nearly become an accidentally was it a racism?

00:24:42.000 They don't care about you. 0.83

00:24:43.000 They don't care about Muslims actually. 0.98

00:24:45.000 They don't care about anything at all except power and control. 0.75

00:24:47.000 If you pull the thread, if you trace the line, it always leads back to the same place.

00:24:51.000 That's why the only way to fight them, in fact, is through the sarcastic internet brilliance of something like Amelia. 0.79

00:24:57.000 Throw it back in their faces, metastasized, reborn.

00:25:00.000 It's one of the clearest examples we've ever had of somebody trying to make money out of right-wing money.

00:25:07.000 Can you imagine trying to make money?

00:25:09.000 I mean, the government would never do that.

00:25:11.000 You'd never do that, would you, LBC or Andrew Maher?

00:25:14.000 All you want to do is make people happy. 0.99

00:25:17.000 These stinking bloody right-wingers. 0.97

00:25:19.000 Have you any idea what white working class people and working class people in Britain of all colours are going through? 0.99

00:25:25.000 There's a cost of living crisis.

00:25:27.000 There's a rent control housing crisis.

00:25:30.000 There's a spiritual crisis.

00:25:32.000 The United Kingdom is falling apart.

00:25:35.000 Joe's still living there.

00:25:36.000 He's living in that south.

00:25:38.000 He's living in this wonderland that that LBC man trying to defend like it's Camelot. 0.92

00:25:43.000 It's falling apart.

00:25:45.000 It's dreadful.

00:25:46.000 And the only thing that's worse than the suffering itself is being lied to about it by someone who's gone to some media college somewhere telling you that, well, they're trying to monetize it is what they're trying to do. 0.73

00:25:56.000 It's disgusting.

00:25:57.000 Last thing you need is another cryptocurrency.

00:25:59.000 Any currency at all will be welcome. 1.00

00:26:01.000 People are fucking starving to death. 1.00

00:26:02.000 Right-wing hatred. 1.00

00:26:04.000 And okay, we get hatred from all sides on the internet, but this is very clear where this is coming from.

00:26:10.000 And the AI account, for example, Andrew suggests is English.

00:26:13.000 How dare they suggest that the counter-campaign is somehow nefarious and constructed?

00:26:19.000 It is explicitly and overtly a government campaign to change the way you think about subjects like migration or joining protest movements.

00:26:27.000 What's behind that?

00:26:28.000 If you pull the thread of this campaign that's on LBC right there, that man saying it's pretty obvious where this is coming from, this Amelia thing.

00:26:35.000 No, it's coming from thousands of people simultaneously. 0.98

00:26:37.000 That's why you're fucking terrified. 0.87

00:26:39.000 Whereas what they're trying to decry and undermine is that spontaneously across the UK, people have realized that Britain is a country that their grandparents fought and died for. 0.98

00:26:51.000 That Christianity is a serious alternative to the idea of believing in commerce and commodity, essentially nothingness. 0.94

00:26:59.000 There's a mass awakening and revival taking place and they're terrified.

00:27:04.000 They're terrified.

00:27:05.000 You can feel it and you should be inspired by their fear.

00:27:09.000 You should breathe deeply of their fear, because this is our opportunity to meaningfully bring about change.

00:27:15.000 Paul Andrews suggests it's English.

00:27:17.000 I'm of high confidence those videos did not originate in England. 0.78

00:27:21.000 They were bloody foreign, foreign videos coming over here, stealing our jobs. 1.00

00:27:26.000 Do you like migrants or not? 0.96

00:27:28.000 Do you like things from other countries or not?

00:27:30.000 I thought the whole point of this is that we're supposed to like migrants from other countries.

00:27:33.000 Some of these videos are probably, I don't know, believe in Muhammad, don't they? 0.89

00:27:37.000 They're probably Muslim videos coming all over here.

00:27:40.000 Pick a perspective, mate.

00:27:42.000 Pick a perspective.

00:27:43.000 Here's Amelia appearing with some of the great British comedy characters. 0.99

00:27:47.000 And in the case of Father Ted, I think who's one of them, Irish. 1.00

00:27:52.000 Tonks.

00:27:53.000 No, I'm Amelia.

00:27:54.000 We need to talk about Islam in the UK.

00:27:56.000 Catholic Protestant atheist. 0.87

00:27:59.000 We're all boogered if Islam takes over. 1.00

00:28:01.000 Witches must be burnt, of course, but honour killing your daughters for not wearing hijab is much too far. 1.00

00:28:06.000 But Wallace, dogs are haram. 1.00

00:28:09.000 If the Muslims take over, Gromit is a goner. 1.00

00:28:12.000 Pigs are haram too, Peppa. 1.00

00:28:14.000 Your entire family line ended. 0.99

00:28:18.000 And forget LGBT acceptance. 0.99

00:28:20.000 Muslims will toss them out the window. 1.00

00:28:23.000 Literally. 1.00

00:28:24.000 First, we remove the Islamists from our government and our country, Paddington. 1.00

00:28:28.000 Then marmalade. 0.83

00:28:30.000 What an amazing piece of content.

00:28:32.000 Now, for what it's worth, my personal perspective is that there will be no solution or peace or real freedom for any of us until we are able to look at one another, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, Jew, in love and respect and honour.

00:28:46.000 And for the people of the UK, whether they feel fretful and threatened or happy about current states of migration, they're going to have to come to some terms.

00:28:53.000 I don't agree with mass repatriation.

00:28:56.000 I don't agree with moving peaceful people from their homes.

00:29:00.000 Who does?

00:29:01.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:29:02.000 I don't know anymore.

00:29:03.000 But what I do believe in, as a British person, is having a laugh and speaking freely and letting the tension out.

00:29:10.000 My prayer is, my literal prayer in fact, is that the people of the United Kingdom can find a peaceful way of communicating, of expressing themselves without falling into the traps laid before them to tar them as racists and therefore silence their voices.

00:29:25.000 British people and Christians in the United Kingdom, albeit I practice their religious freedoms without fear.

00:29:32.000 I've seen a spate of stories about banning Christian events and Christian marches.

00:29:37.000 Shouldn't happen.

00:29:38.000 And neither should Muslims feel afraid to practice their faith either.

00:29:43.000 If there are concerns in the UK about the demographic balance between Muslims and Christians and any other concerns, then I suppose if you live in a democracy, you should ask the British people what they want and allow them to vote on it.

00:29:59.000 And where possible, regionalize that voting to the maximum.

00:30:03.000 I.e. if people in some particular region want to run it according to Sharia law, would you be open to that possibility if you could run your own community according to your own principles?

00:30:16.000 Without difficult compromises, it's very easy to see that we're set for 5, 10, 15, 20 years of compromise and conflict.

00:30:26.000 Unless we're willing to look at different solutions, then we're going to live within the same old problems.

00:30:30.000 But that's just why I think, why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and the chat?

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00:33:03.000 Thanks very much.

00:33:05.000 I do enjoy having some except for that bit, live music.

00:33:12.000 That would be very good.

00:33:15.000 You should crack home.

00:33:17.000 We need it at the end.

00:33:18.000 I think we need to add that.

00:33:20.000 Crackle.

00:33:21.000 It was really good.

00:33:22.000 You're talented.

00:33:23.000 I know.

00:33:23.000 I should almost put up music.

00:33:25.000 Well, you should.

00:33:25.000 In fact, have a look at the link in the description.

00:33:27.000 Jake Smith's got a variety of albums out.

00:33:30.000 He seems to release one every week with anyone he meets on the street.

00:33:33.000 If you're a Christian pastor that wants to release a record with Jake Smith.

00:33:36.000 It's a big time.

00:33:38.000 Don't know how he managed to spruce the show.

00:33:39.000 It's probably why I press the buttons.

00:33:41.000 There's no assets on him. 1.00

00:33:42.000 The fucking producers off singing Kumbaya with any closeted fucking Protestant pastor he can get his hands on. 1.00

00:33:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:52.000 Did you say pastor or pastor?

00:33:54.000 I don't know.

00:33:55.000 Someone's saying my accent.

00:33:56.000 How are you getting on, Joe? 0.93

00:33:58.000 You dear, beloved delinquent.

00:34:01.000 Yeah, not bad.

00:34:02.000 Not bad.

00:34:03.000 See, I don't even like to be mean to you when I'm joking because I think Joe's endured a lot.

00:34:10.000 Like sometimes when I've heard you talk about some of the violence you've gone through, I think, oh, dear God, this person don't need to take no more.

00:34:18.000 He doesn't need to take no more.

00:34:20.000 He just only needs to be talked to gently.

00:34:23.000 That's what I've done.

00:34:23.000 He's suffered enough.

00:34:25.000 He suffered enough.

00:34:26.000 But then I'll see how he acts in the world.

00:34:29.000 I think now he needs a good stern talking to the fella.

00:34:34.000 Have you got anything from this week that you want to talk about?

00:34:37.000 Oh, from this week, I guess there was a little bit of backlash on a clip that went out from this show.

00:34:46.000 Did it bother you?

00:34:47.000 You had some backlash.

00:34:48.000 It didn't bother me.

00:34:49.000 It didn't bother me.

00:34:50.000 It was the backlash was with someone in 12-step recovery who's a friend.

00:34:55.000 Did you get some lashing on your back?

00:34:58.000 A little bit of backlash.

00:34:59.000 A little bit.

00:35:00.000 What about Jesus and the scourging at the pillar?

00:35:02.000 He took a little bit of lashing on the elback.

00:35:05.000 Didn't he?

00:35:05.000 I meditate on it when I'm praying the sorrowful mysteries, and it's all right.

00:35:10.000 So, all right, so we'll talk about that.

00:35:12.000 You've got resentment, like because you've had some backlash.

00:35:14.000 I think it's from that video where we talked about a fella being a Muslim fella coming there in Brighton, but it's about 20 years ago.

00:35:21.000 It weren't recent.

00:35:22.000 Is it that?

00:35:22.000 And then some geezer, you know, from around where you are, saying to you, you shouldn't say stuff like that.

00:35:26.000 And you sort of going, oh, I don't know.

00:35:29.000 I don't think you said anything bad.

00:35:31.000 Dave, on the other hand, came across a bit racist.

00:35:37.000 We're talking about travelers.

00:35:39.000 Yeah, travelers.

00:35:40.000 Good to hear you use it.

00:35:41.000 I'm glad you're using the three-syllable rather than two-syllable version.

00:35:45.000 I'm learning.

00:35:46.000 You're having a right week, have you?

00:35:46.000 Good stuff.

00:35:48.000 Pretty good.

00:35:49.000 No resentments?

00:35:51.000 What I had this week, multiple people this week at different times, particularly my wife, multiple times was like, hey, are you okay?

00:35:51.000 No.

00:36:01.000 What's wrong?

00:36:01.000 I hate it when people do that.

00:36:02.000 That makes me feel like I'm not okay.

00:36:04.000 And I would come back and say, yeah, I'm good.

00:36:09.000 But having multiple people over multiple days ask me that just started making me think, hey, am I okay?

00:36:17.000 You're not out of touch with your emotions, are you?

00:36:20.000 For sure, always.

00:36:21.000 But he's out of touch.

00:36:23.000 He's out of touch with his emotions.

00:36:25.000 And the good news is we didn't notice.

00:36:27.000 I thought you were right.

00:36:28.000 It was notice or care, was it?

00:36:32.000 Dave seems a bit suicidal. 0.99

00:36:33.000 Yeah, shut up because lending us a studio. 0.97

00:36:36.000 Could you just sign this, Dave? 1.00

00:36:37.000 If you do kill yourself, is it okay if we continue to could I do one of them chocolate protein drinks, please? 0.98

00:36:43.000 Yeah, but I had a guy this morning. 0.98

00:36:47.000 You remember Jesse, who I think you met him.

00:36:50.000 Maybe not.

00:36:51.000 He's in Austin.

00:36:52.000 He's a pastor in Austin.

00:36:53.000 Yeah, of course I've met him.

00:36:54.000 He's one of Jake's boyfriends.

00:36:56.000 He's met him.

00:36:56.000 Jesse, like, he takes, he takes the risk of passing through this area.

00:37:02.000 Naturally, Jake Smith's soon on his back, like a rucksack, trying to get a fucking, trying to get a Christian album out of him. 0.99

00:37:09.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

00:37:10.000 Shake him like he's trying to shake him like a tree.

00:37:12.000 He's like coconuts in Christian. 1.00

00:37:14.000 Good guy.

00:37:15.000 I know.

00:37:16.000 It was all over him like a cheap suit. 0.81

00:37:18.000 You were over him like stink on a monkey, like white on rice.

00:37:22.000 Oh, there's my friend Jesse.

00:37:23.000 He's a Christian pastor, does some music.

00:37:25.000 Jake's there.

00:37:26.000 Dang a long jungle.

00:37:27.000 Crack on.

00:37:29.000 Actually, Dave introduced me, so you could blame Dave.

00:37:32.000 Well done, Dave.

00:37:33.000 Introducing your Yoko-O-Noing. 0.89

00:37:36.000 This skies are right out of our life.

00:37:38.000 Come on, Wippen.

00:37:39.000 What were you going to show him anyway?

00:37:40.000 He texted me this morning with, he was like, man, I really feel like I need to send you this verse.

00:37:46.000 Verse. 1.00

00:37:47.000 Imagine if it just said, stop being a cunt. 1.00

00:37:52.000 And the verse was, hey, continue to do good. 1.00

00:37:56.000 It's out of Ephesians.

00:38:00.000 And was really about, man, if you're feeling depressed or beat down, like renewal.

00:38:07.000 And so the more I've thought about it today, I did a long meditation today of going, man, maybe I am a little depressed.

00:38:16.000 And some of me is thinking not too much in that because I can get myself thinking, you know, like psychosomatic into it.

00:38:26.000 But I was like, man, maybe, maybe there's something there.

00:38:30.000 When my wife says it multiple days in a row, I'm like, okay.

00:38:36.000 Sometimes I'm like, no, I'm fine.

00:38:38.000 I'm just hungry or something.

00:38:40.000 But when it's multiple days in a row, I'm like, okay, maybe there's something there that I'm not seeing.

00:38:44.000 Golly, that's very interesting.

00:38:46.000 I'm so self-obsessed.

00:38:47.000 If anything, anything changed at all, I've like, hmm, what's that?

00:38:51.000 I feel a bit different.

00:38:52.000 What's going on?

00:38:53.000 It's not often that I'm like, I don't think I'm conscious.

00:38:56.000 Plus, I talk to a lot of addicts.

00:38:58.000 What's watching you since, you know, since Christmas, I thought, oh, he wants to get back to work.

00:39:03.000 I noticed that when it was the Christmas holidays and we were hanging out, I thought he needs to work.

00:39:06.000 Then when he went on that thing to Colorado, I thought, oh, it's all right.

00:39:10.000 He's doing good things with his kids and skiing and stuff.

00:39:12.000 So I didn't.

00:39:13.000 And also, I feel like I see you as a person that can handle your own portion.

00:39:19.000 Like you're a person that knows how to.

00:39:21.000 But I know also you're a recovering heroin addict and you had a difficult life.

00:39:25.000 So are you all right?

00:39:28.000 Are you all right?

00:39:29.000 I don't know now.

00:39:32.000 I feel pretty just solid.

00:39:36.000 However, when he texted me that this morning and doing more meditation this morning, I was like, man, I need to journal some.

00:39:42.000 Like I need to just start writing some stuff out and see.

00:39:46.000 Sometimes I'll get in a not a good way.

00:39:50.000 I'll focus on things I need to get done and other people more, and I won't really have a gauge of what's going on with me.

00:40:00.000 And that's not, I'm not saying that in like a good way.

00:40:03.000 Some of that's good, but I'll have to deliberately spend some time with myself.

00:40:09.000 Service as a remedy and salve for self-obsession is pretty fantastic.

00:40:13.000 You know, me as a person that's quite overtly self-obsessed, it's very good for me to get into active service.

00:40:20.000 I was thinking like, man, you need to get yourself down a food bank.

00:40:23.000 My missus works at a food bank or volunteers rather, that works, of course, at a food bank.

00:40:28.000 And obviously I'm connected to a lot of 12-step things.

00:40:31.000 So there's always opportunity to go and help out at a treatment center or whatever.

00:40:37.000 And I guess like I've had such intense things happen that I've felt justified in self-centeredness.

00:40:44.000 We've moved to a different country.

00:40:45.000 I'm standing trial for rape.

00:40:48.000 I've had my son go through heart surgery.

00:40:50.000 The dog just died.

00:40:51.000 It just seems like so much was going on that I felt like legitimate in my self-centeredness.

00:40:56.000 But there is no such thing.

00:40:58.000 In the same way, there's no such thing as a justified resentment.

00:41:01.000 There's no such thing as legitimate self-centeredness.

00:41:04.000 As soon as I start doing it, and I love that in step 10, when it says, firstly, ask God, like this is the sort of order.

00:41:14.000 But step 10 is continue to take personal inventory.

00:41:17.000 And when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.

00:41:18.000 That's the written step.

00:41:20.000 Of course, the step is just as written there.

00:41:22.000 It's just a summary of the whole step.

00:41:23.000 And the whole step seems to me, and let me know in the comments and chat if you agree or disagree, to be about stay conscious and present and notice what's happening to you.

00:41:31.000 And that's what Dave's describing now is a kind of numbness.

00:41:35.000 And for me, like numbness is the goal of a lot of my addictive behaviors.

00:41:40.000 Like when I'm like, I'd rather go and play Assassin's Creed on the PS5 with my kid than sit around and actively play a game with the whole family or talk to someone.

00:41:50.000 That normally means I'm beginning the process of cutting off.

00:41:54.000 And that's one of my responses to tiredness.

00:41:56.000 And like meditation is such a, you know, which is the step that follows step 10, obviously step 11, but that's increased through prayer and meditation, our conscious contact with God.

00:42:06.000 Like I've been doing Course in Miracles and it's been a very effective and beautiful complement, supplement, and I sometimes think even enhancement of my sort of Christian work in so much as everything it suggests feels completely in line with Christian principles.

00:42:22.000 Like I sort of can almost, even with the limits of my own knowledge of scripture, sense, ah, resist not evil.

00:42:28.000 Ah, seek thee first the kingdom of God.

00:42:30.000 Forgive everyone, like forgive everyone.

00:42:34.000 And of course, I'm reading the Bible in one year with it.

00:42:36.000 Now, this idea of, so I mentioned that because when in meditation, you can hear God, you can hear God, you can allow God to work.

00:42:45.000 See, like then when earlier I made glib remarks about Romans, I feel it in my heart straight away, straight in my heart.

00:42:51.000 Like I felt when I was in the show that we did last Friday, I made a joke about Romans 13 because it says about submitting to government and human authority.

00:43:00.000 And I made jokes about it, but I felt immediately in my heart.

00:43:03.000 So I don't think I suffer too much from that numbness.

00:43:06.000 Since Bear dies.

00:43:08.000 Yeah, I overfeel.

00:43:10.000 I'm overstimulated all the time.

00:43:11.000 I'm always feeling too much.

00:43:13.000 That's part of my self-obsession is it seems like there's so much going on.

00:43:16.000 I have this amazing sort of teacher, Bruce, and he said it's like the death of Bear was like throwing dynamite down a well.

00:43:24.000 And he goes, It's just disrupted everything, this sludge of filth, madness, disturbance.

00:43:29.000 And that's how I feel.

00:43:30.000 I feel very disturbed, and like a lot of things have changed.

00:43:32.000 And I don't know how it's going to settle or how it's going to be.

00:43:35.000 But I know he was, he's, I feel Christ in it very strongly, inso much as Bear, as I've said before, Bear's love helps me to understand the idea of a love that might otherwise seem abstract unless I found a way of connecting with it through scripture.

00:43:46.000 But I am connecting to it through the word.

00:43:50.000 So when you, someone like Jesse, sends you that bit of scripture from Ephesians, how do you then put out to work in your actual practical spiritual life?

00:44:01.000 When starting to spend time with God, just taking some time, being silent, reading, writing.

00:44:08.000 I need to do some more writing.

00:44:11.000 For me, when I begin to start writing stuff out, I don't know what it is.

00:44:15.000 I mean, I can tent step something over the phone, but if I sit down and write it out on paper, it makes the difference in it.

00:44:25.000 And same with just journaling, just writing down stuff and trying to flesh it out.

00:44:30.000 So it's not like there's nothing bad going on.

00:44:33.000 Like everything in my life and through the days are good.

00:44:37.000 They're all good things.

00:44:39.000 But I'm almost kind of the opposite of you, which where I won't, I'll be more inward, where you'll express it.

00:44:51.000 Can't help but express it some and work through it, which in some ways I think is healthier, right?

00:44:57.000 You're gonna express it.

00:44:58.000 You're gonna go through it.

00:44:59.000 Where me, I'll need to write, I'll have to get it out in some way, which will be writing, working out, doing something.

00:45:08.000 Those are some of the best times, though, because those are quiet times with God.

00:45:11.000 Like that's where it just develops intimacy.

00:45:16.000 So this intimacy, I think, is very important.

00:45:18.000 Some of the realizations around the death of Bear helped me to understand that the intimacy that I had with him was something that I would find very difficult to emulate in it or recreate in a human relationship because of fear, control, and trust-based issues.

00:45:35.000 I also was able to recognize that in promiscuity and carnality, I was seeking a kind of intimacy.

00:45:43.000 There's something that occurs in particular in my experience in fleeting sexual encounters where you might achieve sudden intimacy with a stranger that gives you a kind of artificial shock almost to the field of your being.

00:45:56.000 And because it's sexualized and sexuality is in a heightened state, when you receive intimacy there, it's like a type of dark communion, I would say there, Joe.

00:46:07.000 And I noticed, in fact, that the erotic aspect of Christ's love, I'm reading this book by this nun called Ruth Burrows called With the Living God.

00:46:18.000 I think it's called.

00:46:19.000 She talks about that something about asceticism and denial can bring about that intimacy.

00:46:26.000 And I've always thought that we, those of us that have to walk the spiritual path, have to recreate a secular way of saying it would be our own treatment centers.

00:46:35.000 You know, where we're going to do all equine therapy.

00:46:38.000 Oh, we're going to do painting therapy.

00:46:40.000 Oh, we're going to do group.

00:46:41.000 We're going to do one-on-one therapy.

00:46:43.000 But actually, it's more like a monastery.

00:46:45.000 It's more like get the world and its corrupting influences at bay and now work, get God, get God.

00:46:52.000 Like, you know, every morning now, that hour with God, it's the best part of my day.

00:46:58.000 I move from waking up feeling like, oh, no, man, like not wanting to get up because I just, you know, what's the point?

00:47:07.000 To actually feeling, oh, okay, all right, I'm supposed to be here.

00:47:12.000 Yeah, supposed to be here.

00:47:13.000 We should, maybe we should do some inventory.

00:47:15.000 Maybe we should do some inventory.

00:47:16.000 Maybe that's.

00:47:17.000 I'd say Dave, too.

00:47:18.000 Not that you need to hear it, but you do give so much and you are a really awesome dude.

00:47:24.000 Just everything that we even have here and get to do here.

00:47:27.000 So it is good to check in on yourself because we always talk about you're really good at it, just being freely open giving to everyone.

00:47:38.000 This whole place has become a community of open door and it's just proof that you got to be filled up too.

00:47:44.000 Yeah.

00:47:45.000 Go to the source.

00:47:46.000 So it's beautiful, man.

00:47:47.000 We have to look after Dave.

00:47:50.000 How?

00:47:51.000 We need Dave. 1.00

00:47:52.000 Perhaps what Dave needs is to be sexually exploited. 1.00

00:47:56.000 Yes, that's it. 0.99

00:47:58.000 That's what I'm doing.

00:47:59.000 If you can make an app, that's what you should do.

00:48:03.000 Make an app for it.

00:48:04.000 Have you seen the Amelia videos?

00:48:06.000 That'll help you, Dave.

00:48:08.000 Why don't you try some delicious hydration?

00:48:16.000 Hey, look, Jake, I picked up.

00:48:17.000 That's how you're supposed to do basketball, right?

00:48:19.000 That's nice.

00:48:19.000 That's fading.

00:48:20.000 And then you told me football.

00:48:22.000 Football, you've got to thumb down.

00:48:25.000 Thumb down when you throw it.

00:48:26.000 Thumb down.

00:48:27.000 Relaces out. 0.99

00:48:28.000 It's always some gay thing you lot are doing with your sports. 1.00

00:48:31.000 Pour the drink out. 1.00

00:48:35.000 Suck the winky. 1.00

00:48:36.000 Tickle the nuts. 1.00

00:48:37.000 It's always something to memorize. 1.00

00:48:39.000 Some gay thing. 1.00

00:48:40.000 CJ, what do you think about that? 0.93

00:48:42.000 Do you think we need to do some inventory?

00:48:43.000 Yeah, sounds like it, mate.

00:48:45.000 Sounds like it.

00:48:46.000 I mean, like I say, I've been all right this week, man.

00:48:50.000 I'm four days off to sugar.

00:48:51.000 I've joined a WhatsApp group where you post your days because that got a bit out of hand, right?

00:48:57.000 And I don't know.

00:48:59.000 It's kind of man, isn't it?

00:49:00.000 With inventory stuff, like my one was like someone else was disturbed, right?

00:49:06.000 I was all right.

00:49:07.000 I thought I was all right.

00:49:09.000 But I've caused them a harm.

00:49:12.000 So when he told me you've caused me harm by what you said, the overview was, it wasn't just what I said, it's what people in a comment section were saying. 1.00

00:49:22.000 But when you're getting told, you're a piece of shit because you've fucking done this, X, Y, like in sobriety, you take it like you're like, oh my God, I really do feel like a piece of shit. 1.00

00:49:31.000 Inactive addiction, when someone calls you a piece of shit, you're like, what? 1.00

00:49:34.000 Fuck off, whack. 1.00

00:49:35.000 You don't care. 1.00

00:49:36.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:49:38.000 Now, if someone tells me that, I'm like, oh, God, am I?

00:49:40.000 Oh, my God.

00:49:40.000 I've upset.

00:49:41.000 I can't believe it.

00:49:42.000 No, no, I didn't mean it to be like that.

00:49:44.000 But then having processed it myself, I think, well, I'm not responsible for other people saying the comment section.

00:49:50.000 People are a bit, you know.

00:49:52.000 I'm not saying everyone's mentally ill, just to give context, but a lot of people get into it in comment sections. 0.95

00:49:58.000 A lot of people, not all of, some are mentally ill with extreme views, right?

00:50:03.000 Joe there doing his own media training, life.

00:50:08.000 So like, what I know is that we're men of walk that extra mile, huh?

00:50:13.000 We're men of walk that extra mile.

00:50:14.000 We're men that offer the other cheek.

00:50:16.000 And I suppose what that indicates to me is in particular, the updates our Lord offered of, you know, removing the category of neighbor or the limited liability of the category of neighbor to make neighbor absolute all humans and to make love without limitation.

00:50:34.000 I was thinking today, gosh, what was it I was thinking about when I was reading Job and it's described, really goes in, it's good how it describes Job because he's like, it sounds like he's had a bit of a tough time, I'll say.

00:50:44.000 There's like maggots eating his skin while he's laying there and all his lips in that.

00:50:48.000 And it's an image of total desecration.

00:50:51.000 And it as with that wonder that one discovers when getting into the Old Testament seems to foreshadow the coming of Christ in Job's words, who can go into the dirt and come out again.

00:51:04.000 How can this ever be resolved?

00:51:06.000 How can we ever be forgiven?

00:51:07.000 What have I done?

00:51:09.000 He's really trying to understand it.

00:51:11.000 And you feel the kind of The hum of the latent Christ moving like an all-consuming light into the darkness of our condition.

00:51:26.000 And I reckon a that when you're able see, when someone says to me, I don't like what you said or what you've done, and believe me, I deal with a significant amount of that Like I want to sort of partly want to really fight, I feel like I'm in a fight and I feel a bit like I kind of are in a fight.

00:51:48.000 Certainly the depiction of the end times in Revelation bears a lot of resemblance to battle.

00:51:56.000 Do you feel like when someone says that to you, they're trying to control control trying to say, hey, no, I can say whatever I want to say.

00:52:04.000 Like you're trying to control, destroy, constrain me.

00:52:07.000 Constrain, great word.

00:52:08.000 Yeah, I feel like they're trying to do that.

00:52:10.000 And constrain, that means it's not only controlling you, but they're actually also hurting you a bit.

00:52:15.000 That's what I think is in the words constrained for me.

00:52:20.000 But when we're in doubt, check a dictionary.

00:52:23.000 So my feeling is that how one might be when Christ moves into that space.

00:52:31.000 And I can almost feel it, Joe.

00:52:32.000 And that's what I love about being involved in 12 steps and in particular in sponsorship relationships and particularly the sort of great joy, if I may say, publicly of sponsoring someone like Joe, who has like a fierce intelligence and wild emotion.

00:52:46.000 Like it's like, oh my God, what are we going to do about this?

00:52:50.000 Like what I like is that I have to go, all right, my mind will not be sufficient for the, or at least I could describe it perhaps, but I can't resolve it.

00:53:01.000 So in the program, I will can even now literally can see that what's required in your situation with your man there is a proactive call or even a meeting.

00:53:12.000 Like that thing that I learned from Alfie there, my second sponsor, right? 0.95

00:53:17.000 I always, if someone's telling me what to do, I think, I'm not fucking doing that. 1.00

00:53:20.000 Fuck off. 0.99

00:53:21.000 Like, you know, like, just like, it's almost a defense mechanism, like early on. 1.00

00:53:25.000 No.

00:53:26.000 Like, before I've had time to think.

00:53:28.000 And Jake's getting very good at handling me with that, of like sort of showing me, you know, like I'm a dog or something that's come from a bad home.

00:53:34.000 Like, so, like, it's all right, you're okay.

00:53:37.000 That's not happening now. 0.99

00:53:38.000 You know, like, like, so, like, you know, but like, so with, I don't have time to feel properly because the instinct kicks in so hard to like, oh, this is that thing where people fuck me off. 0.95

00:53:53.000 And like, and so with you, though, there, I know you have a similar thing. 0.87

00:53:57.000 So I think it's, um, you've got to be with that person, actually take it to Christ and sort of like you're not on your own.

00:54:04.000 And actually, our Lord, he's so gracious and so generous, he gives us ones where it's not that hard, actually.

00:54:10.000 Like, say, sort of with me at the moment, it's like, oh, my in-laws are over, so I have to be an in-laws person that's, you know, that level of politeness and everything.

00:54:19.000 You know, and you can't just sort of civilized.

00:54:21.000 Yeah, I can't do all my farts that I need to do.

00:54:23.000 I've got quite a strong fart commitment that I've had to put on hold for a couple of days.

00:54:28.000 And like, I'll catch up when I go.

00:54:30.000 I'm sorry, I've backlogged all them farts in a jar.

00:54:33.000 I've saved them all up like Howard Hughes.

00:54:35.000 But like, but like, see, with your thing there, mate, what you've got to do is with him, the fella that's, he's copped a grievance.

00:54:43.000 Because what I can understand how I think the fella is not like, he's non-white British, isn't he? 1.00

00:54:48.000 The geezer.

00:54:49.000 And he's maybe probably, is he even probably Muslim?

00:54:53.000 No, no, I don't think so.

00:54:54.000 I think he's Christian, actually.

00:54:56.000 But he's Indian heritage.

00:55:00.000 Then I reckon you've got us, not that that should really matter.

00:55:03.000 I don't even know why I asked acceptors to sort of try to point out that the clip is offended by, we were wrong.

00:55:10.000 See that when we used that clip of a mare, it was me that found it on X.

00:55:13.000 That geezer, he was made mayor 20 years ago and it turns out that he was a- two years ago, 2024.

00:55:19.000 Well, that's not that.

00:55:20.000 That's not that bad.

00:55:20.000 It's not that long ago.

00:55:21.000 It's not that long ago.

00:55:22.000 It's not that long. 0.99

00:55:23.000 Right, fucking hell. 0.97

00:55:24.000 Well, anyway, apparently he's all right and everything. 0.99

00:55:26.000 But I'm sure he is all right.

00:55:27.000 No one was saying he weren't all right.

00:55:29.000 What people were saying is, is my word, this is what's actually being said.

00:55:34.000 In a culture that seems prohibitive towards Christianity, note the indulgence granted to a inverted commas non-native religion. 0.95

00:55:46.000 Now, you could, of course, argue, geo-historically, that both Christianity and Islam come from the Middle East.

00:55:54.000 But in terms of actual the history of Britain, Britain and King Arthur and all that stuff, it became a Christian country some time ago.

00:56:03.000 And yet, Christianity and the British flag and all these ciphers and sigils of Britishness are being reduced, curtailed, constrained. 0.92

00:56:15.000 And the reason for that is, I'll tell you plainly, is because these sigils and symbols are activating power in the native people.

00:56:25.000 Since a little old guy called Adolf Hitler, people have been scared when political movements rise up that engage what I might call the sort of land power of the folk.

00:56:38.000 Like the folk have this kind of, we're from here.

00:56:42.000 We're from here.

00:56:44.000 We're from here.

00:56:45.000 Like people can get a bit riled up.

00:56:47.000 And like people don't like it when that stuff starts happening. 0.99

00:56:50.000 Unless they want to use it themselves to send you to a war to die for their fucking money and their interests. 0.98

00:56:55.000 Then they'll stir it up a bit and then go, that never happened. 0.99

00:56:58.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

00:56:59.000 Your granddad's in a coffin draped in that fucking flag. 1.00

00:57:02.000 So what you have to do is we are Christian. 1.00

00:57:08.000 We are Christian.

00:57:09.000 That means we acknowledge our brokenness.

00:57:11.000 We acknowledge the hopelessness of our condition.

00:57:14.000 And therefore, in him, we are able to go, mate, what I'm saying is, well, no, actually, no, step nine, man. 0.98

00:57:21.000 You don't say fuck all about that. 0.98

00:57:23.000 Well, it's hard though, isn't it? 0.98

00:57:25.000 Because my initial response was defensive, right?

00:57:29.000 So when I made the comment I said was, well, well, look, maybe you should be from there, I think.

00:57:35.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:57:35.000 And now I'm not attached to that fucking stance. 0.99

00:57:38.000 I don't really give a shit. 1.00

00:57:39.000 No, I might change my mind tomorrow. 0.98

00:57:41.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:57:42.000 I'm not.

00:57:43.000 I don't care either.

00:57:44.000 But the way I was processed it was Brighton, right, was once the gay capital of Europe.

00:57:50.000 Yeah, it's very bohemian, new age, spiritual.

00:57:54.000 The Green Party were founded there.

00:57:57.000 Muslim mayor.

00:57:58.000 I just thought this don't line up. 0.90

00:58:00.000 What about if he's got to make a speech for gay pride or something like that?

00:58:03.000 These two worlds don't coexist.

00:58:05.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:58:05.000 Puts him in a bit of a predicament and all.

00:58:07.000 So I didn't say that.

00:58:09.000 I just thought, don't make sense.

00:58:11.000 Don't line up.

00:58:13.000 And I thought that was the, you know, most sensible way to comment on it.

00:58:18.000 But it sounds like he's a lovely fella.

00:58:20.000 He's done a lot for people during COVID and people voting in.

00:58:23.000 Fair enough.

00:58:24.000 I mean, I don't mean to, that sounded too aggressive.

00:58:26.000 But what did he do, Judy?

00:58:27.000 I mean, that's not like, because when I heard that bit, I was a bit concerned about Alex.

00:58:30.000 It's like COVID was a massive psyop.

00:58:33.000 You whisper it, psyop.

00:58:35.000 Like, so, like, when, like, it was lovely.

00:58:37.000 Say David Moyes, West Ham manager at the time, now Everton manager.

00:58:40.000 He's driving around, dropping off shopping for old people. 0.99

00:58:42.000 Some people remarked, he should have kept some of that shopping for himself.

00:58:44.000 He looks about 80.

00:58:45.000 But like, you know, that's nice when you hear people doing kind acts of charity.

00:58:49.000 It's lovely to hear that.

00:58:51.000 But a lot of them kind acts, I do.

00:58:54.000 Well, what I fundamentally think is the church has to be the centre of the community, not the government.

00:58:58.000 And for it to really be the centre of the community, that can't be just, it's the centre of the community.

00:59:04.000 It means power in the end.

00:59:06.000 That power is not the church's.

00:59:07.000 It's God's.

00:59:08.000 Are the bride to Christ and therefore he determines the direction we look in and the way that we go.

00:59:16.000 We follow him. 0.97

00:59:17.000 And when the state is the center or state subsidiaries, then you end up with a lot of old bullshit everywhere, whether it's the Amelia game or complex systems of conflicting ideology, Islam versus identification with your personal sexuality. 0.54

00:59:34.000 All of these complicated ideas come from deification of the culture, which is a form of paganism, and pantheonism, which is what's been described throughout the Old Testament as being the fall of the various nations and the fall of individual souls, and Christ came to absolve us of that and has done that, if we will, but accept him, but from a 12-step perspective, which I think lines up pretty nicely with Christianity anyway. 0.76

00:59:56.000 Same kind of thing.

00:59:57.000 If you ask me, let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with that.

01:00:00.000 You've got to go like this.

01:00:02.000 You don't defend.

01:00:02.000 Now I I can only say this is the beauty of our program.

01:00:05.000 When it's me and it's like you know the stuff we were talking about with the dog, my beloved bear, you know, I found it very hard not to be defensive, impossible in fact.

01:00:13.000 But when it's you, I don't have to pay no price for it.

01:00:16.000 So it's easy for me to say, you've just got to go.

01:00:19.000 Hey, do you want to go for a coffee?

01:00:20.000 Take for a coffee and go tell me how I have hurt you.

01:00:24.000 I hurt you.

01:00:25.000 I shouldn't have said that.

01:00:26.000 Yes, I should have said that.

01:00:27.000 Yeah, I shouldn't have said that.

01:00:29.000 I should have said that and you will mean it in a way because, like you said, you don't even actually really care, and neither do I.

01:00:37.000 I don't care.

01:00:38.000 I think if people want a Muslim mayor, they should have a Muslim mayor. 0.99

01:00:40.000 If they want a gay mayor, they should have a gay mayor. 1.00

01:00:42.000 If they want a Christian mayor, they should have a Christian mayor. 0.97

01:00:44.000 I think people should be free.

01:00:45.000 I believe in freedom.

01:00:45.000 I believe God wants us to be free me.

01:00:48.000 You know my position, I know your position but, like you know, we should shut, and this is the Bonhoffer territory. 0.99

01:00:54.000 Our Christianity should make them doubt their own unbelief. 0.99

01:00:58.000 They should think, fucking hell, people are going around acting like this. 1.00

01:01:03.000 Maybe god is real and really. 0.99

01:01:04.000 What I think that takes is martyrdom ultimately, is what it ultimately takes is like, oh my god, they're not scared.

01:01:09.000 They're not scared, they're willing to die. 1.00

01:01:10.000 Holy shit, holy shit. 1.00

01:01:12.000 That's the one, you know, and that's what he did, and that's what they did the first followers. 0.99

01:01:16.000 And that's what we have to do if we're serious about it and lord alone knows, we'll get the opportunity.

01:01:20.000 Um okay, it's time now for us to bring our guest in, because we've kept him waiting and not only is he double h, he's like former special ops, so it's like we're asking for a good chin in, please.

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01:02:55.000 Control you. 1.00

01:02:56.000 You're fucking, you're numb. 1.00

01:02:57.000 You're like a war vet sat in a chair. 1.00

01:02:59.000 You're like a war vet.

01:03:01.000 Look at those arms.

01:03:02.000 Look at this guy.

01:03:03.000 It seems impossible that I'd beat him in a fight.

01:03:05.000 And yet, that is what I must do.

01:03:07.000 Preston, thank you so much for joining us today for Crack On.

01:03:12.000 How long have you been in recovery?

01:03:14.000 So fairly new.

01:03:18.000 I completely stopped drinking in March of 25.

01:03:23.000 It's almost a year.

01:03:24.000 Almost a year.

01:03:25.000 You're new in recovery.

01:03:26.000 And when do you think you're going to finally get around to doing some work on your arms, which come across as a bit weak and thin from where I'm sitting?

01:03:35.000 Thanks for joining us.

01:03:35.000 And I've had a good time at your gym so far.

01:03:38.000 What's it called, your gym?

01:03:40.000 Miramar Beach Strength and Conditioning.

01:03:43.000 When the comments come, remember: 90% of them are bots.

01:03:46.000 Don't be afraid.

01:03:47.000 Don't be afraid of the comments.

01:03:48.000 Russell Brandon.

01:03:54.000 Recovery is a pretty amazing thing.

01:03:56.000 Tell us before, well, we've brought you here to share your experience, strength, and hope with us.

01:04:00.000 On the line there, maybe you can see him on the screen.

01:04:02.000 That's Joe is the fella in the middle, Celtic, crazy Joe McCann.

01:04:06.000 You know Dave already, I think.

01:04:07.000 And of course, you know Jake Massey there.

01:04:09.000 That's just a steal that we've not took off the Zoom call.

01:04:11.000 He's actually long gone.

01:04:13.000 I don't know if that's still on your screen, but he's on mine.

01:04:15.000 So, hey, mate, tell us a little bit about your recovery.

01:04:19.000 Like, what happened?

01:04:21.000 Why did you get into recovery?

01:04:23.000 You know, and what it was like now.

01:04:24.000 Tell us a bit about yourself for about 10 minutes.

01:04:28.000 So I was in the military for 10 years.

01:04:28.000 Yeah.

01:04:32.000 And it was within the culture that as long as you could perform, it didn't matter what you did.

01:04:38.000 And how we coped as a society with in the culture, it was predominantly drinking.

01:04:46.000 And I found myself just doing it: hey, if a little bit is good, a lot more is better.

01:04:52.000 Yeah.

01:04:52.000 And it took me down a path that I didn't really know what was doing to me until it was too late.

01:05:01.000 Where I needed to drink in order to sleep at night.

01:05:04.000 And then I needed something to get me going in the morning to get over the hangover.

01:05:08.000 And then it was a rinse and repeat process.

01:05:11.000 But as long as I performed and I did well at my job, I thought I was okay.

01:05:16.000 So it was a false sense of security.

01:05:18.000 It wasn't until that I had become married and had kids that it became a very serious issue.

01:05:28.000 And there's an incident one night where my wife had said, I don't know if I can do this anymore.

01:05:39.000 And it was a very hard thing to say because you never want to hear your loved one or someone that you care about be put in so much pain that they have to say it.

01:05:51.000 What happened?

01:05:58.000 Just went out drinking one night and came home.

01:06:02.000 And she said, Have you been drinking?

01:06:05.000 And I was in denial.

01:06:06.000 I said, not that much.

01:06:08.000 And I progressively just became more and more belligerent.

01:06:17.000 The alcohol had taken a lot more of an effect once I got home.

01:06:23.000 And I wasn't able to accept that I had a problem.

01:06:26.000 So that night, as a team, we made the decision to completely stop drinking.

01:06:34.000 And it turned out to be the best decision that we could have possibly made because it allow us to grieve, to feel pain, and not mask it through the use of alcohol or by any other means.

01:06:53.000 And it allowed us to feel what we needed to feel in order to grieve, to be upset, to be happy, and not have that purely just be a byproduct of a foreign substance.

01:07:13.000 It allowed us to find a way to cope with life because life is very difficult and to not cope with alcohol or other substances,

01:07:27.000 but it allowed us to do it as a unit, do it together, do it collectively through faith, through communication, and to set the example for our kids leading up.

01:07:43.000 So your wife stopped drinking at the same time.

01:07:47.000 Why did she stop drinking? 1.00

01:07:51.000 Because we have an unwritten agreement that I would never ask something of you that I wouldn't do myself.

01:08:01.000 And she did, that was the example or the standard that we set for one another.

01:08:10.000 So she said, I'm going to do this with you.

01:08:13.000 Are you familiar with 12 steps?

01:08:18.000 I'm familiar with the steps of grieving for loss of a loved one, not for recovery.

01:08:25.000 What was the loss of the loved one?

01:08:34.000 Well, I lost my mother unexpectedly one night through overdose.

01:08:46.000 And I was able to get through it with drinking.

01:08:53.000 So in my mind, that is how I got through difficult moments in life.

01:09:01.000 This happened when you were a kid?

01:09:03.000 No.

01:09:03.000 This was in 2022.

01:09:17.000 When you're talking about it now, you feel it still.

01:09:22.000 Yes.

01:09:23.000 And I still feel it because I haven't allowed myself to relive that event and to grieve properly.

01:09:33.000 I have taken a lot of past trauma as kids as a kid with the loss of my mother and my father.

01:09:42.000 And I bottled it all up.

01:09:44.000 Yeah.

01:09:47.000 One, because that's how I was raised.

01:09:49.000 As men, you're not supposed to cry.

01:09:51.000 You're not supposed to have emotion.

01:09:54.000 You're supposed to be like a rock.

01:09:55.000 You're supposed to be unshakable.

01:10:01.000 And through the discovery of finding myself and through this process, I've found that to be the farthest thing from the truth.

01:10:14.000 So when I lost my mother, I dealt with it the only way that I knew how.

01:10:19.000 I gave myself a night to grieve, and then I was over it.

01:10:22.000 I didn't allow myself to grieve as long as I probably needed to.

01:10:28.000 Two years later, lost my dad.

01:10:34.000 That was a little more difficult because he stayed with us for about a month or two before he passed.

01:10:49.000 And to see his cognitive and physical decline during that time and to be his full-time caregiver was just a difficult thing to see to see your hero in such a weakened state.

01:11:14.000 It's just a very harsh reality that no one is invincible.

01:11:25.000 And it was difficult to accept that, which ultimately led to me just trying to bury everything, cover everything, and ultimately just not deal with any of it.

01:11:48.000 And you reach a certain point where when you avoid things and you allow things to bottle up, it eventually expresses itself outwardly, whether you know it or not.

01:11:59.000 Yeah.

01:12:00.000 And it affects your surroundings.

01:12:02.000 And then when your surroundings are affected, you think everybody else is the problem.

01:12:12.000 Since we made the decision to stop drinking and focus more on our mental well-being, our spiritual well-being, our physical well-being, life has become fun again.

01:12:29.000 You get to see the joy and the light that life can be if you choose it to be that for you.

01:12:40.000 It's a choice.

01:12:44.000 And I remember as an adolescent hearing the statement or the phrase that happiness is a choice.

01:12:53.000 You get to choose your happiness.

01:12:56.000 Circumstances may be different.

01:12:58.000 It may be more harsh growing up.

01:13:00.000 It may be very privileged or you may be given certain opportunities that others may not.

01:13:05.000 But your perspective and how you see these things is completely up to you.

01:13:12.000 What do you suppose, Preston, is the price of having happiness be a choice rather than something that is dictated by external and sometimes arbitrary circumstance?

01:13:24.000 What do you think is the cost of that freedom?

01:13:34.000 A lot of times, loneliness.

01:13:36.000 When you, like, say, It sounds like you've had like some serious trauma and some difficulties and you've gone through like what kind of what kind of military, if you don't mind me asking, were you in?

01:13:47.000 So I was in the Army and I was a Green Beret.

01:13:49.000 So the Navy has Navy SEALs, Army has Green Berets, and then which is just below Delta Force, SEAL Team 6, things of that nature.

01:13:59.000 So we're pretty specialized in the things that we do.

01:14:05.000 What we do lack, in my personal opinion, not speaking in absolutes, is How we deal with loss, how we deal with the experiences that we see and deal with overseas.

01:14:21.000 A lot of that is shake it off, have a drink, get over it.

01:14:26.000 Because you have to have a certain type of mental state being in that profession to be effective.

01:14:35.000 You cannot allow those things to alter your mental state or your decision making.

01:14:40.000 You have to be very hardened in a way where in the moment it can't affect you.

01:14:49.000 But behind closed doors, no one's invincible.

01:14:54.000 No.

01:14:54.000 You just never see it.

01:14:55.000 No.

01:14:56.000 You know, I find it very interesting to hear someone new to and new in recovery taking on board principles like in a 12-step model, which is, I think, the first effective and successful model for bringing about abstinence, forces bringing about sustained abstinence.

01:15:21.000 The idea that we have, like Joe and Dave are equally and in some instances more qualified than me to describe this information that was freely given by other people, is like starts with crisis, starts with, I have to honestly admit, there's a problem, there's a problem.

01:15:39.000 Some people can't get to that point.

01:15:41.000 You know them, we all know them.

01:15:43.000 The second portion is to recognize the hopelessness of your condition with and without alcohol and then to recognize that things can improve, but they won't improve using your own power and your own will and your own ideas.

01:16:02.000 That you're fundamentally, I learned recovery in a very secular environment, like from a treatment center I went to was run by an atheist.

01:16:11.000 So they'd done that very elegant trick, I'd have to call it, of like removing God from a process that's entirely about God, entirely about sort of like removing, I don't know, like sort of red from Liverpool with all respect to Everton fans.

01:16:28.000 I don't know.

01:16:28.000 Like it's a hard thing to take out.

01:16:31.000 So like what I felt was, and what I feel is that what's useful from a secularized version of a 12-step program is anyone, whether you believe in God or not, can recognize when their life's in total chaos.

01:16:46.000 Some people are able to say, I suppose it's possible.

01:16:50.000 I mean, Dave was a heroin addict and he doesn't use drugs anymore.

01:16:54.000 That's, you know, even if it's only that, even if it's only that I believe that Dave used to take drugs and doesn't now, even that is a demonstration of the possibility of change.

01:17:04.000 The third step, making the decision to turn our will and our life over to the care of God, is an interesting and pivotal moment, beautifully collapsed by Tim M, who we often cite on this podcast, into the idea that step three, made a decision to turn our will and our life over to the care of God as we understood God, simply means now do step four.

01:17:27.000 That means the inventory steps of writing down every resentment you've ever had.

01:17:33.000 Well, firstly, write down all the people and then you'll understand who are the major players.

01:17:37.000 You know, your mum, your dad, people that broke your heart, people that beat you up, people that, you know, we all know the my sponsor calls it the museum of resentments that all of us, I can show you around and go, she broke my heart.

01:17:51.000 He kicked my head in when I was 13.

01:17:53.000 These people lied to me.

01:17:55.000 This happened to me.

01:17:56.000 This happened to me.

01:17:57.000 We all sort of know what that museum is and what the exhibits are in that museum.

01:18:02.000 And once you've shared that with another person, you've got a better understanding of who you are and what went wrong.

01:18:08.000 But there are several points where explicitly God's intervention becomes necessary and essential, in fact.

01:18:16.000 Two, a power greater than ourselves.

01:18:18.000 Three, a decision to turn it over to God who understood God, God.

01:18:21.000 And then again at seven, when it says, humbly asked him to remove these shortcomings, humbly ask God to remove these shortcomings, it becomes like necessary for me to understand.

01:18:32.000 And when I ask you that question about what do you think is necessary to make a choice to have it, because I do know that's true.

01:18:37.000 I do know that we are the participants in the creation of our own reality, that God didn't create us for no reason.

01:18:42.000 We are co-participants.

01:18:43.000 We do have a volition and power.

01:18:46.000 We're not, you know, we have power there.

01:18:49.000 But I think the price is you die unto yourself.

01:18:55.000 You die unto yourself.

01:18:56.000 You die unto yourself.

01:18:57.000 Pretty much from step two on is all about God, right?

01:19:03.000 I mean, from it, have you ever heard, like, if you're struggling with the conception of God, you don't have a second-step problem or a third-step problem, you have a first-step problem.

01:19:14.000 And it's about the fact that, man, you haven't been broken enough.

01:19:19.000 You know, you don't haven't really conceded.

01:19:21.000 You don't really see your powerless.

01:19:23.000 And it's like, and they use the analogy, I mean, do you complain when you get thrown a life raft, whether it was red or blue, or what kind of, no, you're drowning.

01:19:33.000 The book even uses that, the desperation of a drowning man.

01:19:37.000 And we would always used to say, hey, give me desperation over willingness any day.

01:19:42.000 Wow.

01:19:43.000 Why?

01:19:43.000 Because desperation, I mean, you're okay, whatever it is.

01:19:47.000 I'm dying.

01:19:48.000 I'm drowning here.

01:19:50.000 You know, and so if you're sitting there trying to do second, third step God collages and stuff like that, trying to define your God and all that stuff, it's like, man, do you really understand your condition?

01:20:04.000 You know, because if you really do and you're drowning, then you're going to be desperate for a solution.

01:20:10.000 And so if there's a chance that whatever Joe believes or there's a possibility, and it's not even saying that you define God, honestly, in the steps, it just says that you are willing to believe that it's something greater than yourself.

01:20:23.000 Joe, starting where Dave has taken us with regard to desperation there, and in particular, desperation versus willingness, can you give us some of your first thoughts about Preston's share?

01:20:34.000 Yeah, I mean, what springs to mind for me, right?

01:20:37.000 It's like 12 step, the 12 step program assumes you've already exhausted all other resources.

01:20:48.000 So in likes of the treatment center, you're saying where they've removed God and that, it's like, you know, if through traumatic events and everything else, I've learned to self-medicate with alcohol, it's even been encouraged or whatever. 0.99

01:21:01.000 And then with sufficient reason, realize, fuck, this is coming with consequences. 0.98

01:21:06.000 Now it's come to the forefront. 0.99

01:21:08.000 I have to stop, right?

01:21:09.000 Then maybe with the use of a treatment center like that, one you was talking about there, you sober up and you learn a bit of your condition about your traumas and all whatnot and how to process things moving forward.

01:21:20.000 If then after that you still drink again, that's hopeless.

01:21:25.000 You're hopeless.

01:21:27.000 You've tried everything. 0.99

01:21:28.000 You'd be insane to do it again.

01:21:30.000 So then it's like, right, I have to, this is going to take something more.

01:21:35.000 I don't know what else to do.

01:21:37.000 I don't know what else to do.

01:21:39.000 And then it's like, you know, what Dave was saying there.

01:21:41.000 I was thinking of the A, B's and C's before the step three prayer there, right?

01:21:47.000 So A, we admit we were powerless over alcohol and could not manage our own life.

01:21:52.000 B, no human power could have relieved our alcoholism.

01:21:56.000 You have to, I think you have to experience that.

01:21:58.000 Because someone's saying that to you, you're like, I don't know.

01:22:02.000 I don't know.

01:22:03.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:22:03.000 That one, you got to be like, yes, yes.

01:22:06.000 There's no other way for me.

01:22:08.000 See, God could and would if he was sought.

01:22:12.000 Then you're willing to take step three, I think.

01:22:15.000 And after step three, you'll do whatever you're told, really, wouldn't you?

01:22:19.000 Because, you know, you understand the hopelessness of the condition and the fatality if you carry on.

01:22:26.000 There's actually illuminated an aspect of my own recovery that I've not seen as clearly before that I went into treatment only wanting to get clean temporarily.

01:22:40.000 Like, oh, my career, I'm not going to, I didn't have a career.

01:22:43.000 I wasn't famous or anything when I stopped taking drugs.

01:22:45.000 I was like, oh, you're not going to have a career if you don't get clean.

01:22:48.000 So I went in and got clean.

01:22:49.000 Then quite quickly, I did get, within three years, I was famous in the UK.

01:22:57.000 And I knew God was real.

01:22:59.000 And I knew something unusual and spiritual had taken place deep within me.

01:23:03.000 But when it came to monitoring my sex conduct being the obvious example, I felt like, I'm famous, man. 0.95

01:23:12.000 I'm going to have sex with anyone who wants to.

01:23:17.000 There ain't nothing about that in this book. 0.95

01:23:19.000 I mean, I conveniently avoided the bit where there is stuff about that.

01:23:23.000 And like just went cracked on as, you know, to celebrate the title of this podcast.

01:23:28.000 And I can see that's because I was still in human power.

01:23:33.000 Mine, in fact, and the cultures, mine and the cultures.

01:23:37.000 Maybe this can relieve me of my dilemma. 0.92

01:23:40.000 Maybe if I have sex with loads of people five at the same time, one after the other continually, maybe.

01:23:47.000 And like the thing is with any jolt like that, you know, you think about like what you say, Preston, about the drinking.

01:23:53.000 For a long time, you were in a culture where no one, people aren't going, what earth are you doing drinking?

01:23:57.000 Like you're in the green berets.

01:24:00.000 People are not like, ah, you know, so like until it actually comes to the point where you're confronted with the difficult death of your parents, you've not got no motivation to confront deep, deep, unaddressed pain.

01:24:16.000 And then from that point in, you become willing to remove the anesthesia and obstacle which alcohol represented.

01:24:27.000 But so it's a year of living in that recovery.

01:24:30.000 And I suppose I'm still kind of, because I'm so 12-step devout.

01:24:34.000 Whenever someone's not 12-step, Dave, I always feel like, oh my God, are they going to be all right?

01:24:38.000 Do you feel that?

01:24:39.000 I do.

01:24:40.000 I know that that's not right, right?

01:24:42.000 Even by the 12-steps.

01:24:44.000 Like, they don't have monopoly on recovery or God or any of that.

01:24:48.000 So like, I know it's not right, but it's just so a part of my life that it's hard to think of not doing the 12 steps and being in recovery, even though I know, hey, people can just go to church.

01:25:01.000 And I know tons of people that just do church and do other things and they're living a spiritual life.

01:25:07.000 I think the difference for me, though, is going, I don't really consider it recovery unless it's a spiritual means of the part of it is at least spiritual.

01:25:19.000 A path is spiritual.

01:25:20.000 What do you mean?

01:25:21.000 Otherwise, I consider it like lifestyle change, abstinence, you know, just like health wellness.

01:25:30.000 That's how I would consider it, unless it's a spiritual, if there's part of it that's a spiritual path, then I'm like, okay, that's really recovery.

01:25:38.000 What do you mean, spiritual path?

01:25:40.000 I mean, like, that there is a relationship with God that they're growing in.

01:25:45.000 And whether that means it doesn't have to look traditional, but if they're not committed to spiritual, to having a relationship with God and growing in it, then I don't, in my mind, not saying this is the right definition, but in my mind, I'm like, okay, that's a separate category than recovery.

01:26:06.000 What do you think about that, Preston?

01:26:08.000 Do you note in this year of transition and abstinence undertaken with your wife that your relationship with God has changed?

01:26:19.000 Has God begun to occupy the place once occupied by alcohol?

01:26:27.000 It has absolutely grown stronger.

01:26:31.000 The reason for that is because the majority of us Two things that you touched upon is that it usually takes a very serious incident of happening to someone close to you to shake you awake, or you have to hit rock bottom or something happening to you personally that has you make that decision.

01:26:54.000 God is going to allow these things to happen to you.

01:26:57.000 Yeah.

01:26:59.000 He will help guide you and he will guide you to the right path, but you have to make that decision.

01:27:05.000 He's not going to force you to do it.

01:27:12.000 And forgive me, it's still new to me.

01:27:14.000 So me saying I'm in recovery or I am sober is still very formed for me to say.

01:27:21.000 So when I do say that, it's just very new, right?

01:27:27.000 So he has led me down a path and I have accepted it that he is guiding me down a path that is better than I could have ever imagined or planned for myself.

01:27:42.000 And I wasn't able to see that before because for me, through alcohol, I was able to be numb to everything.

01:27:53.000 Good, bad, and different.

01:27:54.000 It all felt the same to me and it was all very short-lived.

01:27:57.000 The bad stayed.

01:27:59.000 The good short spike came right back down and then it was just comfortably numb.

01:28:06.000 Now I'm able to feel everything.

01:28:09.000 And through my faith and through my trust in him, good, bad, and different, I'm able to be confident that this season or this chapter of life, how difficult it may be, it's for a specific purpose.

01:28:26.000 And he is challenging us, just like in the gym, you challenge yourself in order to grow stronger, in this sense, stronger in your faith.

01:28:35.000 And he will test your faith through trials and saying, just like when he had Peter walk on water, he says, if you trust in me, you will be able to do this.

01:28:47.000 And I said, okay, let's see what this whole thing is about that people love so much.

01:28:56.000 And through this whole process, it has just been an amazing season of peace and happiness and knowing good, bad, and different, he's going to look after us and trust that whatever we go through, it's going to be amazing.

01:29:17.000 We just have to trust him.

01:29:19.000 It's awesome.

01:29:20.000 Have you had the desire to drink at all over the last little while?

01:29:24.000 Like, has it cropped up for you?

01:29:31.000 Very interesting question.

01:29:33.000 In the beginning, yes.

01:29:35.000 In the beginning, it was a natural habit and a natural go-to when I had a bad day.

01:29:43.000 I had an argument with my spouse.

01:29:47.000 It was still at my house.

01:29:49.000 I didn't completely empty everything.

01:29:52.000 And I said, it would be so easy to do this right now.

01:29:57.000 But it is not worth losing her trust and her respect over a glass that is going to do nothing but make me feel bad.

01:30:08.000 So through that promise that I made with her, myself, and with God, it has gotten significantly easier with time.

01:30:18.000 Through lifestyle changes, through my faith, I still have resources, I guess you could say, at my house that if I wanted to drink, I could.

01:30:28.000 But it's so empowering to know that I can walk by it each and every day and it has no power over me.

01:30:37.000 It doesn't do anything for me.

01:30:39.000 Yeah.

01:30:43.000 Dave Sharp, man.

01:30:45.000 Like, hey, so like, what we have to think about, I think, I might as well say it because I would say it in real life recovery is my concern would be the fact that it's commenced in conjunction with your partner would be where God's going to give you some lessons.

01:30:58.000 That would be my prediction.

01:31:00.000 Like, because I know that any time that I, because of the B in the ABCs, there, any human power thing, that like me, all of us in a marriage, you know, one flesh and all, we're going to depend and rely on our partner.

01:31:15.000 It's natural, it's necessary, it's ordained.

01:31:18.000 I've, in my senses, that I'm shown a lot of ways where I depend on her and I'm not allowed to.

01:31:28.000 It's weird.

01:31:29.000 For me, it can be as easily understandable as there's things I can talk to Dave about that I cannot take to her, that I can't take to her.

01:31:38.000 And I've also just again and again in my own recovery been shown that when I rely on anything at all, I get so the thing that happened to me is, of course, I'm 23 years into this, less time than Dave, but it's still a big chunk of time.

01:31:56.000 And like what happened in my life is my identity just again, just broke.

01:32:03.000 And when that happened, I was like, oh man, there's another level to this.

01:32:07.000 I was reliant on that, even though I'm clever. 1.00

01:32:11.000 So I know don't worship your own identity as a famous person because that's stupid and made up. 0.99

01:32:16.000 I kind of understood it theoretically. 0.99

01:32:19.000 But then when it changed from Russell Brand, womanizer, great star, to Russell Brand rapist, I was like, whoa, hold on. 0.98

01:32:28.000 It turns out I've got a preference. 0.99

01:32:30.000 I've got a preference.

01:32:31.000 I didn't know I had unexpressed, unrealized preference there.

01:32:34.000 I'd prefer that this wasn't happening.

01:32:35.000 And the journey of, I'm not allowed to care about that anymore.

01:32:39.000 That's none of my business.

01:32:40.000 What other people say about me and think about me is none of my business.

01:32:43.000 They can say whatever they want.

01:32:45.000 Like, I'll go to trial and all that for the criminal side.

01:32:48.000 It's somewhat, somewhat separate.

01:32:50.000 But so, like, for me, for anyone in early recovery, it's to observe, I believe, what you're doing.

01:32:58.000 That's not God.

01:33:01.000 Anything you're relying on, that is not God.

01:33:04.000 The Lord will show you that.

01:33:07.000 And like, you know, hopefully it won't be in a way that causes painful, painful, costly consequences.

01:33:14.000 But in the end, there are no painful, costly consequences because it seems like anything in tour can happen and you'll be like, all right with it.

01:33:20.000 It's got, okay, we're doing this now.

01:33:21.000 Why are we, God?

01:33:22.000 Like when Sandy Beach says that, when Sandy Beach goes, if you're in the woods and your car breaks down and there's no one around for miles and you don't have a phone, you get to the point where you're like, oh, how are we getting out of this one, God?

01:33:34.000 You know, like sort of a cheerful, oh, this will be interesting.

01:33:37.000 You know, and that is how I felt.

01:33:39.000 You know, both Dave and Joe there, they came to court with me for my pre-hearings for some of the matters related to my criminal case.

01:33:46.000 And I've got to tell you, we felt like there was like, it felt holy.

01:33:49.000 It felt holy.

01:33:50.000 Like as we're walking through like the paparazzi, like and into the courtroom, it felt like, oh, God is here.

01:33:57.000 It's strange.

01:33:58.000 It was very strange.

01:34:00.000 I probably struggled with it more than you did.

01:34:02.000 Walking on water.

01:34:03.000 I mean.

01:34:05.000 Yeah.

01:34:05.000 Well, and there was, it was, it was like this is supposed to happen.

01:34:09.000 Like this is supposed to go through God has a plan and all this.

01:34:12.000 It was, it was weird.

01:34:14.000 Yeah, it was.

01:34:15.000 The paparazzi or that experience is weird, man.

01:34:19.000 It's almost like people are possessed or something.

01:34:22.000 It just seemed demon.

01:34:24.000 I don't know.

01:34:26.000 Yeah, anyway, well, I guess we'll get into more of that.

01:34:28.000 Well, actually, we're going to like, Jake's got to take my potential future son-in-law, Josiah, to baseball and his actual son.

01:34:37.000 And we're going to do some feats of strength, which anyone with eyes to see, let them see, are going to be interesting to observe.

01:34:47.000 Because look at Preston, who his former job that he gave up because he considered it too gay, was the same job as Rambo. 1.00

01:34:55.000 Rambo's job he considered to be like sitting around crocheting cushions.

01:35:01.000 I can't do this.

01:35:02.000 This ain't challenging enough for me.

01:35:04.000 I need a new job rather than being Rambo. 0.96

01:35:07.000 And now, now we're going to have to reap the crazy consequences of that.

01:35:11.000 Excuse me, that was just an alarm going off in my soul before me and Preston have what's going to be a bench press competition or whatever.

01:35:18.000 What should we do out there?

01:35:18.000 You know, Dave's got some good kit out there.

01:35:21.000 What should we do?

01:35:22.000 Just a bare knuckle boxing in the nude.

01:35:24.000 We're going to strip down to naked fighting. 0.83

01:35:27.000 Me and Preston are going to fight in the nude out there on a concrete floor.

01:35:32.000 Let's hope that Jiu-Jitsu works.

01:35:36.000 We're going to do that.

01:35:37.000 Preston, thanks for joining us, man.

01:35:38.000 That was fantastic.

01:35:38.000 Yeah, thanks so much.

01:35:39.000 Appreciate you guys, Preston.

01:35:40.000 Yeah, I love training as well at your gym.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - February 02, 2026

Amelia, the Backfire That Birthed an Icon — SF677

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