Jack Pesobic joins Russell Brand to discuss the death of Charlie Kirk and the impact it has had on the world, and how it has changed the way we think about politics and the world at large, and why it s so important to remember him.
00:00:18.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:00:21.000I speak to Jack Pesobic today, the online pundit and content creator whose background as a naval intelligence officer gives him a degree of veracity.
00:03:24.000I think that was after the Mahas when we had that event.
00:03:26.000Don't you think everything's escalating in a way that's even someone that works in social media has some access to people with a lot of power.
00:03:34.000Don't you think that things are escalating in a faster and in more absurd and surprising ways than you imagined possible?
00:03:45.000Well, look, since if you go back and all, everything changed on the day Charlie Kirk was murdered.
00:03:54.000It was an act of such profound evil and such profound demonic energy that at first it was met with this incredible response of prayer, of togetherness, of fellowship, of people bringing themselves together, coming together, self-sufficient, self-organizing, self-actuated, self-activated.
00:04:27.000And then I think we're starting to, what we're starting to find now is that without Charlie and with people realizing this, okay, Donald Trump, you know, he's going to be, you know, leaving office in a couple of years.
00:04:37.000So he's sort of, you know, on a, on a different trajectory now.
00:05:30.000That is the zero sum thought of what we're trying to, you know, this bestial nature that we're trying and called by God and Christ to overcome.
00:05:43.000But unfortunately, human nature is still undefeated this side of heaven.
00:05:48.000This worldliness that you're describing, people jockeying, lobbying, and even metaphorically killing in order to get position is definitely an important part of it.
00:06:03.000But do you, what I keep thinking, Jack, is the what I didn't realize Charlie Kirk was actually, and I actually want to contest to a degree from a political and strategic perspective, the significance and importance of Charlie Kirk.
00:06:22.000Up until Charlie Kirk's death, I would have said Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro have more influence than Charlie Kirk.
00:06:33.000Maybe I'm wrong about that because I suppose I wouldn't have been then accounting for the activist impact of Turning Point and its very deliberate role in recruiting young voters for the Republican and Party generally, I suppose, and the MAGA movement specifically.
00:06:50.000But I also knew about what he was doing around voter machine integrity and all that.
00:06:55.000I spoke to him about that in Milwaukee.
00:06:58.000Anyway, I still feel like posthumously Charlie Kirk is a different object, obviously, than he was in life and that he is being used differently, both for good and for ill.
00:07:11.000What I'm wondering is, do you see and wonder if there is an almost occultist component to his murder?
00:07:22.000And do you wonder if the void you're talking about goes beyond human systems of power and is something more profound, but maybe, but spiritual, certainly.
00:07:35.000For example, me as a person that's not from your country who supported in the vaguest sense, because I don't vote or anything, Trump, because I like the way he was like tackling media and I think he's funny and all that stuff.
00:07:49.000You know, I'm not really a when I say I'm not Republican, I feel like primarily now I'm a Christian.
00:07:58.000And before that, before I was a Christian, I still what I felt before I came to our Lord.
00:08:03.000I felt like no institutions, no human institutions or political parties or bodies can ever serve the way that I see the world because they are all by their nature corrupted.
00:08:13.000Now, as a Christian, one of the things that's been sort of exciting and mind-blowing about coming to Christ is that all of the things I felt anyway are in here.
00:08:21.000Like when Ephesians talks about dark power and spiritual heavenly realms, or when Luke in the temptations of Christ has Satan saying, I'm in control of this world, authority has been given to me to run the world.
00:08:34.000And when our Lord says, when Judas is about to, you know, come get him, like, I have to go now to the Prince of this world.
00:08:41.000When it's saying evil power runs the world, how is that so different from you know Alex Jones circa 1999 or David Icke always?
00:08:53.000They're talking about demonic forces and when Tucker Carlson's saying, you know, I got sort of attacked by a demon, all of us are talking really, isn't the main conversation in America right now that America's government is not controlled by the people you think it is?
00:09:09.000Some people would just drill down and say it's Israel and Israeli interests.
00:09:14.000Other people would say, you know, I would of the Occupy sort of generation.
00:09:18.000I'm like a little older than that, really, but Occupy really summarized where I was, Jack.
00:09:23.000Oh, it's been captured by financial interests and lobbying interests and donor interests.
00:09:27.000And as I've gotten weird, really, that I didn't always see the esoteric component because I've always read people that are interested in occultism and esotericism.
00:09:35.000Anyway, it's only coming in a crisis, I would say, Jack, that this stuff has kind of compounded.
00:09:38.000So back to my original question: who are the most significant players in this space?
00:09:44.000Are we talking about spiritual warfare?
00:09:45.000Because not only is there the death of Charlie Kirk, there's the ongoing Epstein saga with now people publicly saying stuff about Donald Trump that I'm sort of staggered by to even sort of see or read if you occupy the same cause that I do.
00:09:56.000So doesn't it seem to you that the shift that's taking place is sort of bigger than the power dynamics of American politics or even global politics and is starting to bear some kind of hue of something else?
00:10:07.000Yeah, well, I wouldn't say that it's that it's you know that American power dynamics are bigger than the shift.
00:10:17.000And because what we're really, but they are emblematic of it.
00:10:20.000These are things we can point to, the Epstein files, whether they've released or not, the death of Charlie Kirk, the assassination attempt of Trump.
00:10:28.000These are things we can point to because we see the dynamics of the deeper power, the greater power at play.
00:10:34.000So these are, these are just the, you know, it's like an iceberg.
00:10:37.000You see the tip of the iceberg, but you understand that there is a deeper sense.
00:10:40.000So these are the things we can point to.
00:10:42.000Now, what's driving it is obviously a much bigger question.
00:10:51.000And when we see some of the evidence that's now coming out about the relationship, this toxic relationship that the killer that Tyler Robinson, this guy up on the roof, and he was involved with these strange groups, transgenderism, furryism, doing drugs on what they called black market hormone replacement therapy, messing around with these discords,
00:11:20.000messing around with very extreme pornography and wondering where all of those pipelines are coming in to the human mind, as well as Tyler Rod, or excuse me, as well as Thomas Matthew Crooks, who apparently was getting involved in a lot of the same things.
00:11:37.000I think about what was done to this country during COVID because when you look at these individuals, so they're roughly around the same age band, as well as Luigi Maggioni was around the same age band, 20 to 22.
00:11:50.000And that means their formative years were spent under lockdown.
00:11:54.000Those years that you would have been in high school, when in an older teenager, you're 16, 17, 18, 19.
00:12:05.000That's when, you know, for me, I was, you know, you could run around, you have eight friends, you chasing girls, you're living life to the fullest.
00:12:12.000But for them, they were stuck inside and they were forced inside by a government.
00:12:17.000And I don't want to make this all about COVID, but I want to talk about the forces behind it because they trapped you and they put you in front of a piece of glass and then they projected whatever they wanted on that piece of glass directly into your mind and told you that if you didn't take the vaccine, if you didn't go along with social distancing, that you were going to die, that you were going to kill your family, that you were going to kill grandma.
00:12:41.000And we look at this operation that was done on such a massive scale to so many people, and you really have to ask the question: was all of this really being done in the common good or perhaps in the common ill, in the common bad, in malpractice, malfeasance?
00:12:59.000And so, when we ask what's really going on, I think I'm a believer in the fourth turning theory.
00:13:06.000Are you familiar with the fourth turning theory?
00:13:12.000I think there's a historical sort of force that's that's just sort of you know, this cycle that goes through human history.
00:13:20.000I think that we've tried to say that it wasn't going to happen and 80 years since World War II, and you know, that we're not going to do it, we're going to break out of it.
00:13:27.000And I think that those historical forces are here and we're going through the period of turmoil right now.
00:13:32.000And what's interesting, though, is that they say this is what I do find hope: that when you go through the period of turmoil, it's those who can remember I'm before that become the leaders and the guides of the people out of it.
00:13:48.000So, you can guide people out if you remember what life was like before the instability.
00:13:55.000And so, that means that the next turning will happen, the first turning, and then a second.
00:14:00.000And so, we have to get through this fourth turning as safely as we can, as securely as we can, prevent World War III from happening, which many forces want to happen, prevent a kinetic civil war from happening.
00:14:13.000And I went on CNN and they said, Are we facing a civil war?
00:14:16.000And I said, My friend's in a box right now.
00:14:23.000What else do you call that other than asymmetric civil warfare?
00:14:26.000We're seeing, we're seeing these forces.
00:14:28.000There are people trying to start a civil war, there are people trying to start World War III.
00:14:34.000So, you need to fight against that if you want good to win, because if you don't, we will see inexplicable evil far beyond what was unleashed in World War II.
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00:16:13.000I feel that where our perspectives may differ is that I don't believe that we can collapse our Christian faith into the simple support of a currently extant political movement or party.
00:16:30.000Because I know that let me focus on some of the things.
00:16:34.000I actually would agree with you, Kara.
00:16:36.000So, like, that means by definition, we're talking about institutional change, and that's a sort of a kind of radicalism.
00:16:42.000And I don't know where that's coming from.
00:16:44.000It's probably, you're probably right to say that it's sort of a kind of a post-Trump, late Trump thing, but you know enough to know that there are sort of movements within republicanism that are jockeying for power and supremacy in much the way you describe people in independent media space lobbying for position in the post-Charlie Kirk abyss, which again, I wouldn't have considered to have been as vast as it subsequently appeared to be, posthumously, which would be interesting to hear what you think about that as well.
00:17:13.000So, say something that I really, really admire, like RFK, I really admire him.
00:17:17.000You know, obviously, there are a lot of restrictions, bureaucratic and institutional restrictions that prevent him from directing his authority in the way that you might imagine he would if he was given free reign to govern, rule, lead, even within the confines of the HHS in the manner that you think his ideals and his beliefs would have him.
00:17:41.000And, like, now, one argument is that that is just institutions and the way things are, and bloody red tape.
00:17:46.000But when we talk about, like, as you did, the COVID period, why did that happen?
00:17:53.000Who did benefit from that scenario, Jack?
00:17:56.000And how is it possible for us to extract that admittedly unique time period from the subsequent following era?
00:18:06.000I.e., whoever, whatever interests benefits from COVID, those interests were enhanced and empowered further by the COVID era.
00:18:15.000So, though, presumably, then those powers are now more entrenched and more able to demonstrate their will than they were pre-COVID.
00:18:24.000So, the fact that Trump won an election and he's a maverick and an outsider to a degree is only, I think, of limited relevance.
00:18:32.000And I think we're beginning what I can test, Jack, is that we're beginning to see that.
00:18:36.000That we're beginning to see that, in spite of people's thanks, man, optimism around Trump, that's really cool.
00:18:43.000The reality of contemporary politics, not just in the way that we've always assumed, like, oh, bloody, it's all, you know, it's always the same.
00:18:49.000People make all sorts of pledges when they're campaigning that they're unable to fulfill when they're governing.
00:18:54.000I don't know how to shake it down and break it down ethnically, and I wouldn't want to, or even ideologically.
00:19:00.000But the way I am comfortable breaking it down is in the Bible, it says that human institutions and governments have been captured by inverted commas, but in the Bible, not inverted commas, the devil.
00:19:11.000So, when COVID happens, that seems like an attempt to assert a kind of new global power.
00:19:15.000And in the post-COVID period, we're seeing that power at work.
00:19:19.000And I don't think it can be reduced just to cultural forces like, you know, Mam Dani getting in in New York or that lad being into taking pills to reduce the size of his penis.
00:19:29.000Like, you know, I think it's interesting that people are, You know, say Candace Owens, who you've got to know and I know, and like the kind of the direction that she's going in since coming to faith and in the post-Charlie Kirk period, she's avant-garde, let's call it, in her manner of reporting.
00:19:48.000And certainly we would have to agree that she's very brave.
00:19:51.000Now, I wonder how this sort of space can survive such variety of opinion where people that would have been friends, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Jordan Peterson, you know, all of these people are now like sort of scattering across the space.
00:20:10.000And I think it must be very confusing for anyone who doesn't who isn't able to say, well, what I believe in is Jesus.
00:20:50.000When you live through positive times, you live through times of stability, when life is easy, when the economy is doing well, when things seem relatively stable, that's when we think, who needs religion?
00:21:02.000Forget about religion, forget about the Bible, forget about all that.
00:21:05.000That's what grandmom used to listen to.
00:21:24.000And so the problem is, is that eventually when you make science your new God and you put science first, when you put material things, and science is great, by the way, I'm not against science.
00:21:35.000But when you put those material things in a place of deification, when you put them in a place of worship, it then gets you to a point where you've totally forgotten what the point of religion is in the first place.
00:21:48.000It's not technology because the technology is always going to be changing.
00:21:52.000We've always changed from the days of rocks to the days of ships to the days of the airplane and the space shuttle.
00:22:00.000And the moral core can only come from the deep, undying, unbroken connection with Christ Jesus.
00:22:07.000And if you don't have that, and that's what the Bible has presented to us, that's why when you look at the scribes, when the Dead Sea Scrolls were uncovered, right?
00:22:17.000They were able for the first time to find original copies, in many cases, original copies of the Bible from 2,000 years ago.
00:22:25.000And then so we could tell and test, did those translators of the Bible make edits?
00:22:32.000Did they, you know, along as it was passed down, is this the actual word of God?
00:22:37.000And what's amazing is it was almost one-to-one when they did the research and then they checked to see, okay, well, this is either it's a Hebrew and some Greek.
00:23:20.000That's the preservation of our humanity.
00:23:24.000And if we drift away from it, that's when humanity falls apart.
00:23:28.000And that's when we can become unhuman.
00:23:32.000And that's when we un-human ourselves and we embark in unhumanity.
00:23:38.000This is the difference between man and beast.
00:23:41.000So when I was talking about the furry, the transhumanism, transgenderism, what does it all mean?
00:23:48.000It all means a break with our humanity to become unhumanized, whereas I would contend and I would argue to everyone that to become closer to Christ is to actually become more in touch with your human self.
00:24:05.000And the closer that you are, the more human you will actually become, which is a strange thing because I'm not talking about in the physical sense.
00:24:13.000You will understand yourself more the more you understand Christ and the more you understand what his role for man, woman, child, leader, whoever is in this world.
00:24:27.000And so to break that all down and to break that all apart, you realize that the forces of evil, the forces of the devil, Satan, demons, et cetera, they can never create.
00:25:00.000That is the demonic, the ability to corrupt that which was intended to be good.
00:25:06.000But they never have the ability to create anything.
00:25:09.000And so when I look at people who are trying to destroy things, when I look at people and I say, are you trying to destroy or are you trying to build?
00:25:19.000Are you trying to unite in the right way and fit the puzzle pieces together?
00:25:23.000And you were talking about the scattering of the media landscape and scattering of the political landscape.
00:25:28.000Are you trying to fit the pieces together so that they will work better?
00:25:31.000Or are you someone who's trying to make the pieces fall apart because you want to shatter these things?
00:25:37.000And I think that when you use that as your rubric and use that as your understanding of where everything is going, I found it to be very useful when I'm doing my dealings, whether it be in DC or wherever I am.
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00:27:36.000I feel that um hey, a lot of people would say though, that you know, with um, with your example of how decadence and modern paganism whether that's sort of endocrenal control over your body or like weird pagan sex stuff is an evident deviation from the kind of um bearing of god's image that you describe so beautifully, and the paradox of, by becoming more like God, you become more like yourself,
00:28:04.000because he's Telos and his intention is evident in you, his creation.
00:28:09.000Some people might say that there's a sort of a comparable, even if it's less colorful deviation from Christ when we get into debt and credit and usury and materialism and worldliness and Phariseeism and all of the less colorful sexual, basically less sexual versions of sin and deviation that exist.
00:28:30.000So, and they would say that you, probably they would say to pre you and me, although you more because you've been in the military and you've got short hair and everything uh, you guys don't know about that, because you fit into that aspect of Christianity that people default to, because you benefit from patriarchy, they'd probably say, and being normal, they'd probably say and like, but nevertheless, if you're like, not dedicated to serving the poor.
00:28:55.000If you're not dedicated i'm not saying this to you, particularly me Russell, because I feel, like anyone that's been in the military i'm totally down with like you know, like that you don't know what it's like to be an outsider and a poor person, and Jesus would have like just gone and hung with them trans folks and the, the people that were considered freaks and broken, and I don't doubt that as well, by the way.
00:29:13.000I reckon that our lord would be down and he'd be with all the people that are like down abortion clinics, like he'd be down there trying to love everyone back to wellness.
00:29:23.000So what do you think uh, about the less vivid forms of sin that are not so easily targeted as being one side of the political aisle?
00:29:32.000When you sort of say people having sex changes, it's pretty obvious that we're talking about wokeism and all that kind of whole trans argument.
00:29:38.000That sort of seems to be in decline now, anyway.
00:29:41.000But when you're talking about sort of meanness and usury and control of money well, that's then yeah, that's got, they've got both sides covered.
00:29:49.000Well, it's two sides of the same coin, isn't it?
00:29:52.000Um, and this is what you're talking about is rampant materialism, and rampant materialism is once again putting something else in the place of god.
00:30:01.000You're putting material wealth, material gain, material greed, material control in the place of god.
00:30:08.000You're worshiping those things, those items, those goods, and you know it's it's it's, this is, of course.
00:30:16.000Jesus spoke out against this so many times.
00:30:18.000So Junitson, when Solzhenitsyn came and have you read or or watched, when Soljanitson spoke at Harvard University at the commencement in the 1970s?
00:31:21.000Our problem in the Soviet Union was that we forgot God and we put equity and justice and communal shared.
00:31:30.000Everyone's going to be the same and be co-equals in the revolution.
00:31:34.000We put the revolution as our new God and we forgot God.
00:31:38.000And you know what your problem in the West is?
00:31:40.000You have put commercialism and materialism and greed and material wealth and material items in the place of God and you have forgotten about God too.
00:31:49.000And he goes on for 50 minutes talking about this.
00:32:19.000We will watch it because wouldn't it be extraordinary?
00:32:22.000You know, like these entities that we're discussing and talking around, our Lord, the same before, after, always, the power of God is unaltering to the point that it's atemporal and outside of time, we might assume.
00:32:37.000I wonder if one of the sort of counterfeit actions that you ascribe, as does scripture, to Satan and the demons.
00:32:44.000And I hope you'll tell me whether or not I'm the first person that's told you that it's interesting, isn't it, that C.S. Lewis depicts this demonic realm as a type of bureaucracy.
00:32:55.000You'll know that Ms. Flares, oh, I've written to this person here and the papers are coming through.
00:33:10.000It's very sort of surreal and comedic.
00:33:12.000And I suppose, yeah, that's interesting.
00:33:14.000I wonder if Pythons, the Pythons would think of themselves as being influenced by something like screw tape letters and the sort of inverted commas surreal aspect of it.
00:33:23.000The reason I like it, though, is because it's bureaucracies that have that power now.
00:33:26.000And to your point about Solzhenitsyn's Harvard address, him in telling the audience that you may think that you're doing things super different from the Soviet Union, but in a way, you've just found a new configuration in the way that Soviet communism empowered the state.
00:33:46.000What you have is this beautiful charade of democracy where the same interests, likely even the same interests that were behind the Russian Revolution, are able to manage power invisibly without impact.
00:34:00.000And I think that's not just in terms of space, but also in terms of time.
00:34:04.000The kind of powers that we have to address, I think, right now, because time is almost speeding up.
00:34:09.000The speed of communication is speeding up.
00:34:11.000You touched upon, you know, the papyrus times of scripture and then the Gutenberg press times of scripture.
00:34:17.000Now it's the binary digital AI times of scripture.
00:34:20.000How can time be considered the same when communication is so much faster?
00:34:25.000It's like the material itself, Jack, is sort of mobile.
00:34:28.000The superstate of potentiality has gone mobilized.
00:34:31.000And what I feel we might be in is this kind of critical moment where if we don't escalate our discourse to the point of actually telling people it's about Jesus, it's explicitly about Jesus and really getting to him as quick as possible and being raw and bare about our own brokenness and disgustingness,
00:34:49.000that people will just keep getting funneled off into false idolatry in the same way in the 20th century, the vast icons of capitalism and communism were able to divide people and threshold them to a level where they were malleable.
00:35:03.000My word, now the tools of AI mass communication, if those tools are marshaled by a centralized power, whether it tells us that it's communist or libertarian, is irrelevant.
00:35:14.000Really, what we have to participate in, do you agree?
00:35:19.000Every knee will bend, every mouth will proclaim, every tongue will proclaim, every knee will bend, every head will bow.
00:35:26.000And also, my particular message, or it's not mine, actually, I've just heard someone else say it, like the decentralization, that as long as power is consolidated in any form, there's going to be a problem.
00:35:37.000Anything we can do to empower the individual, empower the family, empower the community, we must do.
00:35:44.000People should be able to grow their own food where possible, rear their own food, hunt their own food.
00:35:48.000People should be connected to the land and to one another, not the dislocation that benefits mass markets, whether that's the most commercial thing you can imagine on something like Amazon or Apple, or the most terrible iterations of communism, like the Chinese Communist Party or whatever the hell's going on in Russia right now.
00:36:07.000So in any event, decentralization of power that's now possible due to these same demonic.
00:37:09.000I realized, I think, a piece that I was missing is that Charlie realized that the way to fight these things, the way to fight these phones, the way to fight the digital online virtual space was to force you.
00:37:24.000And I've gone with them to be back in reality.
00:37:29.000Touch grass, touch campus, touch one another, be in the physical space together.
00:37:36.000Because when you're in the physical space, you're a human being.
00:37:40.000When you're here, you are an internet-based identity.
00:37:44.000You can be the idea of Russell Brand or Charlie Kirk or Jack Pesobic or whoever, right?
00:38:10.000But when you do see the actual person in reality and you're connected to others around you that are in that actual physical space, now you're doing so in a way that's God intended.
00:38:26.000Now, imagine the power that comes together when all those people come together and you're proclaiming God's name, you're saying his name, you're praising him, or in fact, you're even praying together at the same time.
00:38:41.000And this is the greatest power that we have to gather and proclaim his name because if we do, and to worship our creator, to worship God, because if this is the highest and best use of our spiritual life together, this community, this communalism, and community to worship God, this is the church.
00:39:01.000This is Sunday, or sometimes we go Saturday night.
00:39:05.000You know, this is actually a way to fight back by getting more people to want to do that.
00:39:13.000You don't go because, oh, it's Sunday morning and your mom says it's nine o'clock and you have to get dressed to go.
00:39:18.000No, you go because God wants you to worship him because God knows that if you make worship of God at the center of your life, then there is no one and there is nothing that can break between you and him and lead you astray down one of these false paths, whether it be communism, whether it be usury, whether it be pornography, none of them.
00:40:24.000I sometimes pray the rosary with beloved Jonathan Rumi, who plays our Lord and Savior in the Chosen.
00:40:31.000But the more we're talking about this, the more I was telling you, the more I was listening to you there saying that this is what we've got to do, I was thinking, well, why don't we just do one together now?
00:41:07.000So we do it a little differently with my kids is I'll do a Hail Mary and then we'll go around in a circle.
00:41:12.000If we're all together, I'll do one, then my wife will do one, then my son, my other, whoever's with us, will do, we'll do the whole thing, go through.
00:41:18.000But that's, I know that's not how normal, you know, most people do it.
00:41:38.000In the name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
00:41:49.000He descended into hell on the third day, rose again from the dead.
00:41:52.000He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
00:41:55.000From there, he'll come to judge for living and the dead.
00:41:57.000I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and life everlasting.
00:42:09.000Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
00:42:52.000Today it's Tuesday, says the sorrowful mysteries.
00:42:54.000And the first sorrowful mystery is he is in the garden of Gethsemane and he swears blood.
00:43:00.000Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
00:43:02.000Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
00:43:05.000Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
00:46:55.000Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of thy mercy.
00:47:00.000The third sorrowful mystery is the crowning with fawns, the humiliation, the nudity, the bearing of shame, the bearing of shame of our Lord.
00:47:12.000Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
00:47:15.000Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
00:47:17.000Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.
00:47:24.000Need us not in heaven, especially those most need of thy mercy.
00:47:28.000Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
00:47:30.000Blessed are thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
00:47:34.000Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for our sinners now at the hour of our death.
00:47:37.000Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
00:51:30.000Glory be the Father, the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be a world without end.
00:51:38.000Almighty Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell.
00:51:46.000The fifth sorrowful mystery is the crucifixion.
00:51:50.000As Christ is crucified and dies and said, it is finished.
00:51:54.000The veil of the curtain is torn asunder, meaning we have direct access to our Lord and that the process of our portion in the Holy Spirit is begun in earnest.
00:52:06.000Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
00:52:08.000Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
00:54:00.000Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life has sweetness, and our hope to thee that we cry, poor banished children of Eve, to thee that we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.
00:54:08.000Turn their most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us.
00:54:11.000And after this, our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
00:54:15.000O Clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary, pray for us, O Holy Mother of God, that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
00:54:22.000Oh, God, whose only begotten Son by his life, death, and resurrection has purchased for us the rewards of eternal life.
00:54:27.000Grant, we beseech thee that while meditating on these mysteries of the most holy rosary of the blessed Virgin Mary, that we may imitate what they contain and obtain what they promise through the same Christ our Lord.
00:54:59.000And do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world, seeking the ruin of souls.
00:55:37.000And it's sort of between now and then, really, I'm just getting myself into fit spiritual shape to handle that.
00:55:46.000It's not really complicated because I know that I'm broken and I'm a sinner.
00:55:50.000And I know that I did things that were wrong.
00:55:51.000And I actually specifically know that it's wrong to be promiscuous and to exploit women through the position of power that fame grants you.
00:55:59.000But I know also that that is very different from making someone do something they don't want to do, coercing, invading, intruding.
00:56:08.000And I've checked my spirit and I've checked my records.
00:56:12.000And that's not something I've ever done or would ever do.
00:56:15.000What's strange, though, is knowing that I am a broken sinner and through him I am forgiven and redeemed.
00:56:21.000But there is no, it's interesting, isn't it?
00:56:24.000What I think happens once you grant godlike power to the state, and by the state, I mean not only, you know, sort of the criminal prosecution or the media or the government or big businesses and corporations.
00:56:38.000I mean the kind of nexus of relationships that together are more powerful, at least on the earthly realm, than God, have more authority, have more ability to determine the outcome of your life, to direct you, whether it's some poor kid staring at a phone, taking their dictums from the culture or people that are being destroyed in wars, whatever.
00:57:01.000Like this is the work of the evil one.
00:57:03.000And I believe in justice and you can't have justice without God.
00:57:07.000I believe in truth and you can't have truth without God.
00:57:10.000And it's, I just think it's so glorious and fascinating, Jack, that we're alive at this time where it just seemed that the argument was over, that people were just moving further and further into the worship of the culture.
00:57:25.000And we're that because of some accident, you know, or his design of where we find ourselves, we're in it, man.
00:57:40.000And look, you know, I obviously am aware of, you know, what you're going through and the patient bearing of trials.
00:57:47.000I wasn't even thinking about that when I mentioned because that's the spiritual fruit of the fourth sorrowful mystery, the carrying of the cross, is the patient bearing of trials.
00:57:58.000And I hadn't even connected it when I said that because that's what you always say.
00:58:02.000And I just hope that you will keep that rosary or whatever rosary bear close with you every single day, wherever you go.
00:58:11.000And, you know, it's something to have.
00:58:18.000And even if they do physically take it, they can't take it from up here and they can't take it from in here because that's what carries us through.
00:58:26.000That's what carries us through everything is that connection to source, that connection to spirit.
00:58:32.000So whatever the trial is and whatever it be, whether it's a literal trial as you are facing or a trial that anyone could be facing.
00:58:43.000You're in a trial with your loved one and a trial with your parents and a trial with your child.
00:58:48.000There's all sorts of trials we can face.
00:58:51.000But it's always through reliance on Christ that we can overcome them and that we can go through them.
00:59:18.000What I like about it, as opposed to say, like for years, Jack, when I was having conversations about politics, a lot of people, what they say is, how can we do anything?
00:59:28.000But actually, that's where it all takes place is on the battleground within you.
00:59:34.000As St. Francis said, sanctify yourself to sanctify society.
00:59:39.000By going through this process of sanctification, we become vibrant participants and channels of the holy grace of our Lord.
00:59:48.000So it's not that you're some irrelevant node somewhere purchasing things through Uber Eats or whatever it is people do nowadays or mindlessly masturbating over OnlyFans.
01:00:00.000Like if you are a participant in your consciousness in what seems to me to be a very real spiritual war, and I'll grab you on the same side, Jack.
01:00:11.000Tucker said something to me at Charlie's Memorial that really stuck with me about that.
01:00:15.000And it similar to what you just said, he said, in the Lord's Prayer, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.
01:00:27.000So we are called to make right our own sins, make right our own bad behavior, make criticism of ourself before we can focus on others, before we can forgive others, before we can criticize others, we have to come at ourselves because it's easy to criticize others.
01:01:56.000I want to talk about sort of a, you know, say all these people that I know in the space.
01:01:59.000So everyone's sort of like, it's weird.
01:02:01.000It's weird and interesting and important.
01:02:03.000Like when I see people now in the UK talking about like being on podcasts talking about football or maybe nostalgically reminiscing about David Bowie, I think that ain't the conversation, man.
01:02:31.000Anyway, what I'm saying is the culture, as you know, is irrelevant and redundant and just trying to sell you stuff and fill your mind with mad abstract ideas.
01:02:38.000But God is real, so I suppose we're all going to be all right.
01:02:42.000The conversation on Friday, we'll be talking about all that, as well as there being contributions from Jake, who's standing just there, the producer.