Stay Free - Russel Brand - Annie Machon (Ex-MI5 Intelligence Officer)

00:00:00.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.

00:00:01.000 Thanks for joining me on this voyage to truth and freedom.

00:00:04.000 If you're watching this on YouTube, we'll be there for about 10-15 minutes, then we will be exclusively available on free speech, or as some are calling it now, Freach Platform Rumble, where you can freely talk about stories like NATO censoring anti-NATO rhetoric on social media.

00:00:25.000 Please don't criticise NATO!

00:00:28.000 That's a hate crime!

00:00:30.000 Also, we're going to be talking about RFK Jr's claims about Anthony Fauci, which literally can't be discussed on YouTube, as well as talking at some length about the 4.5 million people who died in the post 9-11 conflicts, and let's think about how that was framed.

00:00:50.000 When it happened.

00:00:51.000 But to ensure that we remain somewhat frivolous, my on-screen assistant and I, we're going to bring you a story where a British regional news reporter for the BBC, which Elon Musk would say is what?

00:01:03.000 State media.

00:01:04.000 Elon Musk would call that.

00:01:05.000 State media calling to Elon Musk.

00:01:07.000 Have you seen that guy?

00:01:08.000 Boogie.

00:01:10.000 Watch her.

00:01:11.000 She ends the news with the phrase, good boy.

00:01:14.000 I don't know.

00:01:15.000 Does the news end with good boy?

00:01:17.000 It would if it was in your world.

00:01:19.000 Yes, it would.

00:01:19.000 Good boy.

00:01:20.000 You are a very good boy.

00:01:22.000 Yes, well, I think so.

00:01:23.000 I don't know.

00:01:24.000 Oh, God, is this good?

00:01:25.000 Let's have a look.

00:01:28.000 Tonight, Luke North is back in BBC Breakfast from 6.25.

00:01:31.000 Good boy.

00:01:34.000 What is that aimed at?

00:01:36.000 Does she react?

00:01:36.000 What does she do afterwards?

00:01:37.000 Does she sort of acknowledge that that was a weird thing to do?

00:01:40.000 Nope, she just looks down at the pen and carries on.

00:01:42.000 Look North.

00:01:43.000 I would have loved to see the reaction of you watching that real time, on your own, in your bedroom.

00:01:49.000 If I watched that on my own bedroom and she went, good boy, I'd be writing a fan letter straight away.

00:01:55.000 Dear News Lady, you're the only one who understands me and what I need to feel okay.

00:02:00.000 Also, sorry to hear about that massacre in Lincoln.

00:02:04.000 Hey, look at this.

00:02:06.000 If you need to smuggle drugs and you don't because drugs are bad... Allegedly!

00:02:11.000 No, actually they are bad, aren't they?

00:02:13.000 They actually are bad, aren't they?

00:02:15.000 Why not try dressing up your cat as a... Look at this headline.

00:02:19.000 Woman dressed cat up as baby in attempt to smuggle drugs into resort. 1.00

00:02:24.000 She dressed the cat up... Attempt?

00:02:25.000 I mean, she didn't even get away with it.

00:02:27.000 She went to all that trouble. 0.95

00:02:28.000 Look at that little cat. 0.95

00:02:29.000 That is an adorable little guy, isn't it?

00:02:31.000 It looks quite passive and, I don't know, is it actually, if you look right into the eyes of the cat, you can see it's a bit pissed off.

00:02:39.000 Right.

00:02:39.000 It's annoying that this is happening.

00:02:40.000 Although some animals don't seem to mind.

00:02:44.000 What?

00:02:44.000 Dressed up in clothes?

00:02:45.000 Yeah, they don't seem to mind.

00:02:46.000 I think they've been, in some way, chemically neutered.

00:02:49.000 Right, I see.

00:02:49.000 Those animals, because that's robbing their dignity, isn't it?

00:02:52.000 To sort of, like, I've got Children, my children want to dress all my animals up.

00:02:55.000 We put a bow in Bear's hair once, that wasn't the right thing to do.

00:02:58.000 How did he feel about that?

00:02:59.000 He was actually, he was alright.

00:03:01.000 He was alright about it, he didn't know though.

00:03:03.000 I think if I'd shown him that it was compromising him, he wouldn't have liked it.

00:03:07.000 The thing about this is that already, like, she's, like, they're suggesting that if she'd have done it with a real baby that she might have got away with it.

00:03:14.000 But it was the fact that they discovered, first of all, hang on, that's not a baby, it's a cat.

00:03:19.000 Okay, let's just check what's going on here.

00:03:20.000 Wait a minute, that's not a baby, it's a cat!

00:03:22.000 And what's in its pocket?

00:03:23.000 It's drugs!

00:03:24.000 What the hell is this now? 0.92

00:03:25.000 Oh, sorry, the cat's addicted to drugs. 0.95

00:03:27.000 That's what's made it think it's a baby.

00:03:29.000 Oh, carry on then.

00:03:30.000 This all makes sense now.

00:03:32.000 You're right, what drugs do you imagine it was that the drugs are in?

00:03:35.000 I'm going to say cocaine.

00:03:37.000 Potential drugs?

00:03:38.000 No, you've missed an opportunity for a joke, and here are all the jokes.

00:03:40.000 Catamine, that's a potential one.

00:03:43.000 Meow meow, which is a slang term for drugs.

00:03:46.000 Catnip, another drug.

00:03:47.000 Okay, but that isn't... Yeah, that's not news.

00:03:52.000 My mum buys that.

00:03:53.000 Oh God!

00:03:54.000 Does she dress her cat up as a baby? 0.99

00:03:56.000 Did she dress you up as a cat?

00:03:59.000 Do you see?

00:04:00.000 This is a bit like in Fight Club when he learns swimming.

00:04:02.000 I'm actually... I'm on my own in this fight club!

00:04:06.000 It's only me I'm sitting in first row!

00:04:08.000 Yeah, what are you telling me for?

00:04:09.000 I am you.

00:04:09.000 Oh, well, you already know, so, you know, the stuff about don't talk about it.

00:04:13.000 Yep, I know that.

00:04:14.000 I am me.

00:04:14.000 OK.

00:04:15.000 A speeding driver has found an ingenious way to foil a arrest.

00:04:21.000 So he's pretending that his dog drove the car.

00:04:24.000 That's worse than speeding.

00:04:25.000 Yeah.

00:04:26.000 Sir, can I tell, I'd like to know from you that you're travelling at 35 miles an hour and this is a 30 mile an hour area?

00:04:33.000 Well actually, talk to my dog because he was actually driving.

00:04:37.000 Well, you are actually legally culpable for a much worse crime.

00:04:42.000 What's that baby doing in the back of the vehicle? 0.98

00:04:46.000 What kind of family are you living in?

00:04:48.000 Sylvanian families, only from Tomy.

00:04:53.000 You'll get that if you're British. 1.00

00:04:54.000 If you're not, you might not, and you might even now be frantically demanding a refund.

00:04:59.000 Where's my free speech?

00:05:00.000 Where's my conspiracy theories?

00:05:02.000 Where's information that will reveal to me that the establishment is corrupt, that we've been lied to, that the mainstream media are corroborating and supporting lies, as in the Russiagate case, then still trying to claim some moral high ground.

00:05:15.000 Where is some analysis of succession that shows me in spite of its ingenuity it still functions as a kind of neo-liberal propaganda that suggests there is a bifurcation down the center of American politics where there's goodies on one side and baddies on the other when in fact the establishment is stinking corrupt and needs to be brought down from within?

00:05:32.000 All those things coming up.

00:05:34.000 Stay free with Russell Brand.

00:05:35.000 See it first on Rumble.

00:05:37.000 All right, listen, we're going to come off of... Oh yeah, no, let's just leave it now, shall we?

00:05:43.000 We've covered that.

00:05:43.000 We're going to leave YouTube now because we've got to.

00:05:47.000 I want to talk to you about some stuff that's pretty serious, as a matter of fact, that I definitely would not be able to talk about on YouTube.

00:05:53.000 When we spoke to RFK the other day, he made some claims about Anthony Fauci and gain-of-function research, and in particular, Well, you cut me off at the point where what I'm saying gets too risky, right?

00:06:07.000 RFK said that Anthony Fauci was doing gain-of-function research in this country.

00:06:11.000 It got shut down by the Obama administration, should be safe so far.

00:06:14.000 It got re-initiated by the Trump administration, should still be okay.

00:06:18.000 Then he repoed it, because he's like, "Oh, we can't do this in America,"

00:06:22.000 to a certain town in China that you may have heard of that sounds a bit like a hip-hop collective whose name ends

00:06:31.000 in "clan."

00:06:32.000 Yeah, let's have a look now at RFK.

00:06:35.000 If you watch this on YouTube, there's a link in the description

00:06:37.000 to take you over to Rumble. Have a look at this.

00:06:39.000 And then in 2014, three of the bugs escaped from labs in the United States,

00:06:45.000 and everybody finds out about it.

00:06:47.000 Congress has hearings, 300 scientists write letters to Obama, sign a letter to Obama saying, you gotta shut down Tony Fauci, he's gonna create an epidemic.

00:06:59.000 Obama shuts down all of Fauci's projects, orders them closed, has a moratorium, but Fauci doesn't shut them down.

00:07:06.000 He continues doing them, and then he starts shipping everything over to Wuhan, Where he can do it offshore out of sight of, you know, these federal overseers and all the nosy scientists like Richard Ebright and the others from the Cambridge Working Group who were horrified by what he was doing.

00:07:23.000 And that's kind of why the short story of why, you know, we're doing all this stuff in Wuhan rather than doing it at University of North Carolina in Galveston, which is where they were doing it before.

00:07:35.000 Okay so if that's your introduction to RFK you won't be familiar to the fact that the guy is a sort of a truth bomb or at least extraordinary fact bomb or indeed information.

00:07:47.000 I don't know if you believe RFK or not.

00:07:49.000 Certainly he says a lot of extraordinary stuff.

00:07:51.000 I personally really liked him.

00:07:53.000 Let's break some of this stuff down.

00:07:54.000 So here's a story from 2014.

00:07:56.000 White House to cut funding for risky biological study prompted by controversy over dangerous research

00:08:01.000 and recent lab accidents.

00:08:02.000 The White House announced Friday it would temporarily halt all new funding for experiments

00:08:06.000 that seek to study certain infectious agents by making them more dangerous, aka gain of function.

00:08:11.000 Let's have a look at the next piece of information.

00:08:13.000 Feds lift gain-of-function research.

00:08:15.000 The National Institute of Health today lifted a three-year moratorium on funding gain-of-function research on potential pandemic viruses such as avian flu, SARS and MERS, opening the door for certain types of research to resume.

00:08:27.000 That's from the end of 2017.

00:08:28.000 Let's have a look at what's next.

00:08:31.000 Fauci reportedly relaunched NIH gain-of-function research without consulting the White House.

00:08:37.000 That's something that's been discussed, Nick.

00:08:38.000 They're using the word reportedly, which is print journalism.

00:08:41.000 Allegedly!

00:08:41.000 A version of allegedly.

00:08:43.000 But certainly, RFK says in his famous best-selling book, The Real Anthony Fauci, that many claims made in extraordinarily small print across a number of pages are all undergirded by cast-iron information.

00:08:57.000 What do you think, Gareth, about Fauci reportedly relaunching NIH gain-of-function research without concerning the White House?

00:09:03.000 Is that something we have any more information on?

00:09:04.000 Well, look, I mean, somebody did, didn't they?

00:09:06.000 I mean, whether it was Fauci or not, I mean, it happened.

00:09:08.000 I mean, I think they were doing it, but they were doing it.

00:09:10.000 I think the issue here is that this, this risky gain of function research was going on and continues to go on.

00:09:18.000 I think, you know, it's controversial for a reason and we know what it's potentially led to.

00:09:22.000 At the very beginning of the virus, the idea that it in any way would like...

00:09:25.000 There were two sort of major things going on.

00:09:27.000 Oh, there's this disease.

00:09:28.000 Like, remember these sort of innocent days before we all had to occupy

00:09:31.000 these mad little online enclaves of exchanging true information

00:09:35.000 that may nevertheless be censored.

00:09:37.000 There was a bit at the beginning where I came to it with my indigenous mistrust of authority.

00:09:43.000 This is weird but I did take it in good faith.

00:09:46.000 There's this virus that's coming out of this place called Wuhan in China.

00:09:51.000 That was one thing I was aware of before it sort of crept into the popular imagination.

00:09:54.000 There were spikes of terror before there were spikes of protein.

00:09:58.000 And now one of the other things I was aware of was Anthony Fauci.

00:10:01.000 This guy is in charge of the NIH.

00:10:03.000 Oh and like people that were anti-Trump liked him because he would like roll his eyes behind Trump.

00:10:08.000 And I can remember people I really respect going, you know, this Anthony Fauci,

00:10:11.000 this is what shows you what it is to be someone who's dedicated their self to medicine and science

00:10:14.000 for their whole career, and then come of the hour, come of the man,

00:10:17.000 this guy is like nailing it.

00:10:19.000 And then to find out a bit later, oh, they are, through DARPA,

00:10:22.000 there are connections to the Wuhan laboratories and Anthony Fauci,

00:10:25.000 that potentially royalties have been received--

00:10:28.000 Allegedly.

00:10:28.000 By Anthony Fauci through the CDC, as a result of pharmacological experimentation.

00:10:34.000 Like the amount of information that has accrued subsequently means that,

00:10:38.000 I mean, I wonder, do you know anyone that is still got a 2019 perspective on the pandemic?

00:10:45.000 By that I mean, You better take those vaccines because you'll be immune and you won't spread it.

00:10:51.000 You're irresponsible when you're killing others if you don't take it.

00:10:54.000 You should be locked down all the time. 0.99

00:10:56.000 You should be wearing a mask.

00:10:59.000 If you're vaccine hesitant, that's irresponsible.

00:11:03.000 You know, it came out of a wet market in China.

00:11:06.000 I mean, this is kind of what this what RFK is talking about is the origins, isn't it?

00:11:10.000 Is that where did this come from?

00:11:12.000 I don't think there's anyone How many people still believe that it came out of a wet market?

00:11:16.000 I think almost even the mainstream I think now are talking about the fact that it's unlikely.

00:11:21.000 You know, there's so many big organizations have come out and said this came, this was a lab leak.

00:11:25.000 They must be fuming down that wet market.

00:11:29.000 We've run a pretty tight ship down this wet market.

00:11:32.000 Yeah, the floor's covered in slobber and sputum and gack and gunge.

00:11:36.000 But other than that, there are delicious snacks available for all, and at a price that's right.

00:11:41.000 This wet market's taken a real hit.

00:11:43.000 Not since McDonald's started employing little boys and girls has a food establishment been so unfairly derided.

00:11:50.000 And we'll be going into this story with a little more depth later, or next week I guess we'll be covering this way we go.

00:11:55.000 Yeah, sure.

00:11:57.000 Earlier, and let me see if I've understood this correctly, that people that were not showing symptoms were not infectious and that there was a tool available to diagnose that that was suppressed for reasons we don't know.

00:12:13.000 We don't know if suppressed but ignored by the CDC.

00:12:16.000 Yeah, a special test was developed and the researchers at Stanford, I think this was, yeah Stanford, found that 96% of people who were PCR positive but without symptoms We're not infectious.

00:12:27.000 That's basically nearly 100%.

00:12:29.000 That's what 96 means.

00:12:31.000 Remember, one of the common myths was, the thing about this, what makes it so bad and so easy to lock down a population that are increasingly difficult to control is even if you're not showing symptoms, you could still kill your nan.

00:12:44.000 So get indoors, you count nan killer.

00:12:47.000 Well, that weren't true, and it could have been proven at the time.

00:12:50.000 Exactly what this article suggests, or what it says, is it undergirded policies on, as you say, distancing, quarantines, masks, all of those kind of things.

00:13:00.000 This thing in particular.

00:13:02.000 And now it's going to be proven that that wasn't the case.

00:13:05.000 But not only do we now know that it wasn't the case, but that there was a test to demonstrate this at the time.

00:13:13.000 This is just a story that Gareth and I are cooking up right now.

00:13:16.000 Gareth and I were just discussing that before we went on air.

00:13:18.000 It's not cooking it up, it's making it up.

00:13:19.000 It's true.

00:13:20.000 We're just simply discussing it now and we'll be going into more depth at some point.

00:13:24.000 That's why it's worth joining us every day.

00:13:25.000 That's why it's worth joining us on Locals and becoming a member of our community here.

00:13:30.000 And it's also worth it because we take a deeper look at the news.

00:13:33.000 We tell you stories that they won't tell you.

00:13:35.000 We give you perspectives that they won't give you.

00:13:38.000 We feed back to you your own insights, your own intuitions.

00:13:42.000 You knew that you were right all along, didn't you?

00:13:45.000 And we're here to tell you that you were.

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00:13:58.000 Some of you don't know what Sylvanian families... Oh, is that the big thing to have come out of today?

00:14:03.000 Oh, what do you want me to say?

00:14:04.000 Oh, big tech's more powerful than countries.

00:14:07.000 I know that.

00:14:08.000 Joe Biden's administration was selling weapons to the worst people in the world.

00:14:12.000 I know that.

00:14:13.000 No one's got any moral authority anymore.

00:14:15.000 Succession is a satire that's so biting and accurate that people go, I know that.

00:14:20.000 I've always known it.

00:14:21.000 What I don't know is Sylvanian families only from Tony.

00:14:25.000 Let's have a look at those little.

00:14:27.000 Oh, brilliant.

00:14:28.000 They are.

00:14:28.000 This is what they're like.

00:14:29.000 If you're an American person or a Canadian person or a Tunisian person, if you're anything other than the Sylvanian, which I think means the countryside.

00:14:36.000 I never knew that.

00:14:37.000 Yeah, I think it means something like that.

00:14:38.000 Have a look at these little guys.

00:14:40.000 My kids have got some.

00:14:40.000 Let's see what they're all about.

00:14:41.000 about Sylvanian families only from Tomy.

00:14:43.000 Sylvanian families, they come from far and near.

00:14:52.000 A brand-new baby's here.

00:14:53.000 Sylvanian Families.

00:14:58.000 Sylvanian Families just don't feel complete without a little baby. 1.00

00:15:02.000 So they all have one.

00:15:03.000 With its own cradle and baby bottle.

00:15:08.000 Sorry, go on.

00:15:09.000 I'm saying that this is Vain and Famous.

00:15:10.000 Oh, you've got to have a baby. 1.00

00:15:12.000 Don't have to.

00:15:13.000 Oh dear.

00:15:13.000 I know people that feel complete that don't have a baby.

00:15:15.000 Right, you're right.

00:15:16.000 Although we are studying the effects of declining populations and we'll be talking about that next week, won't we?

00:15:23.000 And how the world is changing.

00:15:25.000 Now, If you don't know enough about Sylvanian families now, you never will.

00:15:29.000 I give up the ghost.

00:15:30.000 I've tried everything to educate you people and you've let me down again and again.

00:15:35.000 We are on the back of many of our complex conversations with figures that understand the deep state.

00:15:40.000 We are questioning the legitimacy of the CIA.

00:15:44.000 The FBI.

00:15:45.000 And who better to discuss that with than a former MI5 intelligence officer who blew the whistle on illegal phone taps around the illegal, unnecessary, and I would say a bit out of order, assassination of Colonel Gaddafi.

00:15:57.000 We all remember seeing him in the back of that van.

00:15:59.000 It was bang out of order.

00:16:00.000 Bang out of order.

00:16:01.000 Now, Annie Mashon is going to be joining us.

00:16:04.000 Annie, are you OK?

00:16:05.000 I am.

00:16:06.000 And I love your jacket rope, whatever you call it.

00:16:10.000 You're rocking it.

00:16:11.000 It's my wife's housecoat, Annie, as a matter of fact, and I don't know what journey I'm on now as I...

00:16:17.000 I've learned to dwell happily in middle age, but it appears to be some form of dressing up in my wife's clothes, which used to be quite a conventional way to get through this difficult time.

00:16:28.000 Annie, thanks for joining us.

00:16:29.000 There's loads of things we want to ask you about.

00:16:31.000 Let me just sketch out the parameters of this conversation, with it finally being revealed that all of the Russiagate allegations were unfounded and untrue, and they were known to be untrue at the beginning, and yet the FBI pursued them.

00:16:45.000 With RFK saying that he would disband the CIA and that he believes that the CIA assassinated JFK, he's obviously not the first person to say that, I'd like to ask you, as a former member of the intelligence community, albeit a goodie, much more James Bond than, I don't know, one of them ones that's killing people for the government, Do you think that these institutions are fundamentally corrupt?

00:17:08.000 And if the goal was to radically revise our global infrastructure in order to create a fairer and better world, do you think you'd get rid of them?

00:17:16.000 Or do you think that they're things that can be saved or things that are necessary?

00:17:19.000 What do you feel, Annie?

00:17:21.000 I think there is a balance.

00:17:22.000 There's always got to be a democratic balance, because we do need defences against other countries that are going to be using the same sort of aggressive tactics.

00:17:31.000 But if we want to call ourselves democracies, we need to make sure that they are under democratic control.

00:17:38.000 So there has to be a proportionality about the powers that they can exert.

00:17:41.000 And there has to be a proportionality about what they can legally cover up.

00:17:46.000 Otherwise, we don't function in a democracy.

00:17:49.000 And so what you were talking about earlier in terms of the linkage between big tech and government is a very dangerous path to go down.

00:17:56.000 And this is something Edward Snowden disclosed many, many years ago, a decade ago.

00:18:01.000 Jesus.

00:18:01.000 Yeah, I know you love a whistleblower.

00:18:03.000 I know like you're always giving them awards and stuff like that.

00:18:06.000 Didn't you give Daniel Howe one?

00:18:07.000 Am I saying his name correctly?

00:18:09.000 I feel like you gave Daniel Howe an award pretty recently, but the Twitter files revealed that the FBI were, you know, a little too involved in censorship of information that was posted on that platform, censoring information of legitimate authorities, censoring information that's been proven to be true.

00:18:29.000 So it shows you that the deep state is a real thing, that the FBI, excuse me, and the CIA Can't really be regarded primarily as defensive organisations that are stopping us from yielding to the threat of North Korea or domestic radicals of some persuasion or Islamic terror or all of the other reasons.

00:18:51.000 I mean, look at Biden pushing through the very legislation That Snowden revealed, like, you know, like the stuff, the Patriot Act stuff that was there to spy on individuals in order to defend Americans from potential attacks, that that is up for review and they want to revive it under the auspices of the threat of American, excuse me, of Mexican drug cartels.

00:19:13.000 So, like, what is the essential function of these organizations?

00:19:18.000 Is it to defend the American people or is it to control the American people?

00:19:21.000 Well, the first question I would ask would be why are we only focusing on America?

00:19:26.000 I mean, is this the you know, the democracy?

00:19:30.000 No.

00:19:30.000 It's been shown to be very corrupt.

00:19:33.000 And there is an issue around what is called the deep state.

00:19:38.000 Having said that, what do we mean by the deep state will be the key question, in my view.

00:19:43.000 So in terms of having law enforcement agencies there to try and protect basic rights of their citizens, that is a good thing. In

00:19:52.000 terms of their being corrupted or subverted or unknowingly being

00:19:57.000 used to link into things like the military industrial complex

00:20:01.000 or the military censorship complex or whatever, that is a bad thing. So a lot of very good people go into these

00:20:07.000 organisations trying to do good. And often they can feel quite

00:20:11.000 powerless in confronting the bureaucratic monolith that often

00:20:17.000 and these organizations become.

00:20:19.000 So this is one of the key things that Edward Snowden disclosed 10 years ago, I can't believe

00:20:23.000 it was 10 years ago, when he started talking about, one, the PRISM programme, and then

00:20:29.000 all sorts of other hideousness to show quite how embedded the tech and intelligence agencies

00:20:36.000 have become across the Western world.

00:20:39.000 So there's a lot to unpick and unpack here in terms of the interrelations and the interleaving

00:20:45.000 of the spies and the corporate and government intersections.

00:20:51.000 So where do we want to start?

00:20:52.000 If we want to go back to Edward Snowden, that means his very first disclosure in June 2013

00:20:58.000 was the PRISM programme, which showed that there were back doors built into all the big

00:21:04.000 tech global giants coming out of the USA.

00:21:09.000 And whether or not they knew it was happening, or whether or not it was unwittingly done

00:21:13.000 to them, means that it still left all of us vulnerable, so that the intelligence agencies

00:21:19.000 could hoover up all our intelligence data, all our internet data.

00:21:24.000 So we're talking about metadata, we're talking about personal data, we're talking about access

00:21:27.000 to hacking our computer systems.

00:21:30.000 And this is something I've written about, as you know, because you very kindly promoted

00:21:34.000 my book, The Privacy Mission, which is shortlisted for a very nice award tonight.

00:21:39.000 But the key point is, whether or not they knew it was going on, or whether they agreed to it going on, it means that there is this collusion, this interleaving between the intelligence agencies and the global tech companies.

00:21:57.000 Of course, this also means that the vulnerabilities can therefore be exploited by the criminal hackers as well.

00:22:07.000 There's a few things.

00:22:09.000 One is, of course, we're not condemning individuals that join the CIA, the FBI, MI5, of course, an organization that you're a member of, any more than I would condemn a member of the police force or the National Health Service or the teaching profession.

00:22:24.000 People tend to join these service positions, I would like to hope, with the motivation of becoming a valuable member of the community.

00:22:32.000 operating, my hope is, on the basis that through love and service you can improve the world.

00:22:38.000 But it seems that there's a tendency through institutions beyond deep state espionage

00:22:45.000 institutions that operate beyond the tenure of ordinary law that they broadly speaking end up

00:22:55.000 allying with the interests of the powerful.

00:22:59.000 One of the other Snowden revelations, of course, was the collaboration between what are known as the five I countries, essentially the anglophonic countries, New Zealand, Australia, Canada.

00:23:09.000 America sharing information about their domestic populations to bypass the complexity that imposed by their legislative inability to spy on their own populations by sort of doing what are considered to be the international espionage version of wife swapping.

00:23:28.000 What I would say, Annie, is that currently all of those countries are trying to push through legislation that enables them to impose fines on emergent pro-free speech organisations like Rumble.

00:23:42.000 Fining them, paring them down.

00:23:43.000 In fact, we have an asset here to show you.

00:23:46.000 That, by the way, guys, is the sort of thing that I would have loved on a bullet-pointed document for the conversation with Annie, right?

00:23:52.000 Here are your assets, Russell, that you can refer to.

00:23:55.000 So look, have a look at these various pieces of legislation that have been pushed through.

00:24:01.000 I can't read them because they're on mouse font.

00:24:03.000 Can you stick them up on the thing?

00:24:05.000 Cheers.

00:24:06.000 So like in the UK there's the Online Safety Bill, in the EU there's the Digital Service Act, in Canada there's one, in America there's one, and there's one in that country that's either Australia or New Zealand, I can't tell, because frankly they made their flags too similar.

00:24:19.000 They all know that and it's time they all owned up to it as nations.

00:24:23.000 Now with that kind of legislation being pushed through, subsequent to Snowden's revelations, with us understanding, or at least you and I discussing, what the role of these agencies are, do you feel that it seems like there's a concerted effort to control free speech, control the narrative, to infiltrate big tech companies with deep state agencies, In order to essentially support existing narratives at a time where it's possible for independent media like us and everyone, the people that are watching this live on our chat, and you can join us on our chat if you want to by clicking on the red button, to prevent us from communicating freely, not because of hate speech, because we wouldn't put up with that here and we certainly wouldn't spread it, we believe that everyone is equal and has the right to express themselves however they want and we celebrate all forms of identity, but because they don't want people criticising the establishment and talking about the very kind of things you and I are talking about now.

00:25:14.000 It's about control of the narrative.

00:25:16.000 That's what they're doing.

00:25:17.000 So, for example, in the UK, there was a law that was passed in 2016, called the Investigatory Powers Act.

00:25:25.000 And that retrospectively legalized what had been illegal spying, endemic spying by GTHQ and the NSA.

00:25:33.000 So this is GTHQ is the UK spying system, and the NSA is the US spying system, which is part of the Five Eyes, but that is the closest intelligence relationship ever.

00:25:46.000 And the irony was that countries like Russia and China then passed laws after 2016 saying, well, if the UK can pass these laws to snoop on their citizens, why not?

00:25:56.000 Why can't we do that?

00:25:57.000 And they get excoriated as countries that have over and dangerous control over their citizens.

00:26:06.000 So we have a situation where the UK has actually led the charge in terms of spying on their citizens.

00:26:12.000 They always have, actually, to a greater or lesser degree.

00:26:15.000 I mean, the US has been pretty close.

00:26:18.000 And then that can be used as justification around the world for more draconian and more totalitarian regimes.

00:26:26.000 So that is the situation we're looking at.

00:26:28.000 What we are looking at now, as you just mentioned, with things like the online safety bill in the UK

00:26:34.000 and what is known as the C11 law in Canada, is online censorship bills.

00:26:39.000 So, oh, it's all done to protect children.

00:26:42.000 Well, actually, no, it's actually done to allow governments to censor what we can see or what we can access online.

00:26:50.000 So this is completely antithetical to everything that the Internet was designed to be back in the 80s and 90s with the sort of ideologues.

00:26:57.000 They just wanted free access to information, allowing free Free knowledge to be spread around the world.

00:27:05.000 And that is what is being taken away from us at the moment, with what's going on technologically.

00:27:10.000 And in the EU particularly, I mean, I'm based in Brussels, I can see the EU Commission out of my window.

00:27:16.000 What we're looking at at the moment is not just the European Digital Act, it's also looking at something called the EU ID card, which basically means that All our information, if you get it, because you have to have an ID card to live anywhere in the EU, means that they can have access to your taxes, they can have access to your health records, they can have access to anything they want about you personally.

00:27:41.000 And we don't know what systems they're stored on.

00:27:43.000 We don't know what systems they are controlled by, which corporations are controlling them, because lobbyists are big here. 0.63

00:27:49.000 And we don't know how safe they're going to be.

00:27:51.000 But that also means that they can access your bank accounts and shave money off your bank accounts and

00:27:56.000 things if there's another economic crisis as in 2008. So it's a really scary thing. There was

00:28:01.000 a very good film made by a Dutch film company last year called State of Control talking about

00:28:06.000 this. I would recommend any of your viewers to have a look at that. It's frightening. Post a link in

00:28:12.000 the description about that chat. Now, here are some of the worst things that the CIA and FBI have

00:28:18.000 done that we could come up with quite quickly. Annie, you can tell us if these things are

00:28:25.000 legit or phony.

00:28:26.000 of...

00:28:27.000 Allegedly!

00:28:28.000 I'll be regularly pressing that button in case these things are lies.

00:28:31.000 They were involved in the assassination of JFK, RFK at length describing that Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset.

00:28:38.000 Successfully supported coups in Iran, Guatemala, Congo, the Dominican Republic and South Vietnam.

00:28:44.000 And the 2014 Ukrainian coup, interestingly, very current.

00:28:48.000 At least two of the 9-11 hijackers were recruited into a joint CIA-Saudi intelligence operation, according to an Office of Military Commission's court filing.

00:28:56.000 That was uncovered by The Grey Zone.

00:28:58.000 So that's the CIA's three bad things from the CIA.

00:29:02.000 Here's the FBI.

00:29:03.000 The FBI used the Patriot Act's business records provision to track all U.S.

00:29:06.000 telephone calls, as revealed by Snowden's NSA leaks that we've just discussed.

00:29:09.000 They were instrumental in perpetrating the Russiagate hoax and censoring the Hunter Biden New York Post story, which could be considered to be electoral fraud.

00:29:16.000 Let us know what you think in the chat.

00:29:18.000 In 2020, during the arrest of a militia group for plotting to kidnap Michigan's Governor Gretchen Whitmer, 12 out of 14 suspects were FBI informants.

00:29:27.000 Essentially, they caused the crime, then solved it by saying, we caused this crime, so that's how we know that it was a crime.

00:29:34.000 Which one do you think comes off as worse between the CIA and FBI?

00:29:37.000 And would you query any of the assertions made in that recent litany of damnation?

00:29:46.000 I am not an expert in any of them.

00:29:48.000 I would say, though, that all intelligence agencies around the world get involved in dirty tricks.

00:29:54.000 I mean, this is why this is one of the reasons why I got involved in supporting my former partner, David Shailer, trying to expose the illegal Gaddafi plot assassination in 1996, which failed and killed innocent people and was illegal.

00:30:08.000 And then, of course, he was legally tortured and assassinated in 2011 in the world's full glare of the media.

00:30:16.000 By the very same groups.

00:30:18.000 So things shift in terms of the information that is available or the information that is seen to be good that the media puts out is the interesting shift in terms of the narrative drive and in the narrative control.

00:30:28.000 But yeah, I think we all need to be aware that, you know, Intelligence agencies will get up to naughties sometimes.

00:30:38.000 The key thing about them is that if we want them to work effectively in a democracy, to protect us effectively in a democracy, they need to learn from their mistakes.

00:30:47.000 They need to be as transparent as possible.

00:30:49.000 There are certain things that do need to be kept secret, like ongoing operations, sensible operational techniques, agent names, that sort of thing.

00:30:56.000 But I don't see why everything has to be a blanket ban, with national security as the issue, you know, the get out of jail free card.

00:31:04.000 So In terms of a balance of proportionality, and in terms of protecting us all better, they need to be slightly more open.

00:31:13.000 And that's what they're not doing.

00:31:14.000 All these new laws you've just mentioned are dragging them back into greater secrecy rather than more transparency.

00:31:22.000 And as aware citizens, we need to have as much information as we can, particularly on the internet, because that's what they're trying to shut down at the moment.

00:31:31.000 Annie, you make everything sound so smutty, dirty tricks and naughties. 0.71

00:31:36.000 You're a very British kind of spy. 0.94

00:31:38.000 When it's the sort of America, it all sounds so very grand and technological and jagged and dreadful.

00:31:44.000 But you've been up to all sorts of scalduggery.

00:31:47.000 They're very naughty boys and girls.

00:31:49.000 Look at their bottoms smacked. 0.99

00:31:51.000 They carry on with that.

00:31:52.000 I can see the EU out of my window.

00:31:54.000 I'm spying on Brussels right this second with my giant spy eyes that I've got.

00:32:00.000 You were mates with old David Shaler.

00:32:02.000 I remember when he came out with his revelations, he took a turn in the media tumble dryer. 0.89

00:32:06.000 He was accused of being a crackpot, a weirdo, a pervert, a near-do-well, an errant orphan boy. 0.70

00:32:14.000 All sorts of accusations unnecessarily levelled at Shaler. 0.58

00:32:19.000 We've got to wrap up the show now, Annie, so I can't give you an opportunity to respond to that.

00:32:25.000 What are you doing?

00:32:26.000 What does that expression mean?

00:32:27.000 I'm gagged.

00:32:28.000 I'm gagged.

00:32:29.000 Yeah, we've gagged.

00:32:30.000 See?

00:32:30.000 More smart.

00:32:31.000 You're a smart addict.

00:32:32.000 You need to go to Smutterholics, in my humble view.

00:32:36.000 You can get Annie's book, The Privacy Mission.

00:32:39.000 Even that's quite a saucy title, isn't it?

00:32:41.000 There's sort of a bit of entendre around that, if you ask me, Mr Roy.

00:32:46.000 Annie, is there anything else you want to say?

00:32:48.000 We'll post a link to the privacy statement in the chat here.

00:32:53.000 As you know, we admire you very much on this show, and we're happy to see that you're on a list as short as a mouse's leg.

00:33:01.000 What is it for that you've been shortlisted?

00:33:04.000 It's for the Business Book of the Year, and the award ceremony is this evening actually, in the UK.

00:33:12.000 So we shall see, but I'm up against a very famous group of authors, so I have no great hopes.

00:33:19.000 But I did enjoy writing The Privacy Mission.

00:33:21.000 It was a sort of culmination of years of research and years of speaking to hacktivists and to cybersecurity groups and all that sort of thing.

00:33:31.000 And also, I had a lot of advice from a wonderful organisation I work with at the moment called the World Ethical Data Foundation.

00:33:37.000 And we put on an event every year called the World Ethical Data Forum, which at some point, I might try and drag you into.

00:33:45.000 I will go.

00:33:46.000 If you want me to give a whistleblower an award, dragged, gagged, in whatever state you'll take me, Annie, I will be there.

00:33:55.000 Thank you Annie Masham for joining us.

00:33:58.000 I wish you all the success in the world and I hope you win against those famous authors.

00:34:04.000 Perhaps you could spy on them and maybe sabotage their efforts using your techniques.

00:34:11.000 No, in fact, I really hope Cory Doctorow wins.

00:34:14.000 He's a friend and the most amazing best-selling author, and if you haven't read his stuff, you should because he's really damn good.

00:34:20.000 Nope, I'm supporting you.

00:34:22.000 The Privacy Mission's available.

00:34:23.000 There's a post in the chat there, and I have it on good authority that that other author that Annie just mentioned is... 0.86

00:34:31.000 Dangerous lunatic. 0.91

00:34:32.000 Russian spy. 1.00

00:34:33.000 He's a Russian spy.

00:34:35.000 He's an Antony Blunt.

00:34:36.000 He's an asset.

00:34:38.000 He's an asset.

00:34:39.000 He's at the pool at Cliveden now.

00:34:42.000 Perfume-o-ing himself to within an inch of his life.

00:34:45.000 Shall I stop?

00:34:46.000 Yeah, probably.

00:34:46.000 Thanks, Andy Mashen.

00:34:47.000 Thanks very much.

00:34:49.000 Allegedly for.

00:34:50.000 Oh, sorry.

00:34:51.000 Allegedly.

00:34:51.000 That was all made up.

00:34:52.000 Don't know why I said that.

00:34:53.000 Allegedly.

00:34:53.000 He's just an author.

00:34:54.000 He's a good guy.

00:34:55.000 I don't even know him.

00:34:56.000 I was just saying it to end an interview.

00:34:59.000 The Electronic Freedom Foundation for years, and all sorts of other good stuff.

00:35:03.000 He's a real guru when it comes to tech.

00:35:06.000 I was joking, I was joking.

00:35:07.000 I'll go, I'll present an award, alright, if that's what I have to do.

00:35:09.000 I'll present an award, or I'll stand there and I'll, like, I'll use some of my spy gear that I get from them shops.

00:35:14.000 You go to London and get a... I've got a handshake thing that goes... Wow.

00:35:18.000 Yeah?

00:35:19.000 Get ready for that, Annie! 1.00

00:35:20.000 Oh wow, I thought Annie was the real spy.

00:35:23.000 No, it's me!

00:35:25.000 I've been deep cover all these years, baby.

00:35:27.000 Deep cover in me wife's housecoats.

00:35:29.000 Thanks Annie.

00:35:32.000 That was when she just did a thin-lipped nod.

00:35:36.000 Yes.

00:35:37.000 What was that?

00:35:38.000 That was a way of not having to say thank you.

00:35:41.000 Yeah, it was!

00:35:42.000 That was avoidance of thanks.

00:35:44.000 Yes, it was.

00:35:45.000 Because she didn't want to, like, that shows she's aware of what she's doing.

00:35:48.000 Like, I'm not going to unconsciously just say thank you because that's what people say in these situations.

00:35:54.000 Thanks aren't warranted. 1.00

00:35:55.000 That last bit was stupid. 1.00

00:35:56.000 That litany of madness that you just came out with. 1.00

00:35:59.000 Yeah, I went a bit mad for a bit there.

00:36:00.000 What was that pressure?

00:36:02.000 I don't know.

00:36:02.000 Work pressure.

00:36:03.000 It's work pressure.

00:36:04.000 All right, that's the end of that for another week.

00:36:06.000 That's right.

00:36:07.000 What a week it's been.

00:36:08.000 What have you learned?

00:36:09.000 Let us know in the chat.

00:36:10.000 Join us on Locals.

00:36:10.000 We do this stuff all the time.

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00:36:54.000 Good boy, baby.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - May 19, 2023

Annie Machon (Ex-MI5 Intelligence Officer)

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