In this episode, Russell Brand talks to filmmaker Jenna First about his new film about Anthony Fauci, Andrew Schultz talks about vaccines, and Ashley Rinsberg talks about the LA Times' relationship with vaccines and how they propagandize it.
00:03:11.000In a minute, I'll be talking to Jenner first about his film about Anthony Fauci.
00:03:17.000I feel like across the world, the pandemic issue is coming home to roost.
00:03:22.000Even as Trump talks at the WEF, even as, you know, contradictorily he pulls out of the WHO, I feel that we're getting the reckoning that the pandemic warranted.
00:03:33.000The pandemic means, by its nature, it was across the world.
00:03:36.000What better way to understand and assess globalism than that?
00:03:39.000One phenomena that affected everyone simultaneously.
00:03:45.000I'm going to be talking to Jenna First, brilliant filmmaker, about his Anthony Fauci film.
00:03:50.000What's interesting about him, by the way, is he was going to direct a hagiography about Fauci, like every late-night talk show, saying how fantastic Fauci is, but he's ended up making a film that shows the darkness of Anthony Fauci, and I know you're going to love that.
00:04:06.000Before we get into talking to Jenna First...
00:04:09.000Let's now look at Andrew Schultz talking about Fauci's pardon.
00:04:14.000Because, obviously, if you've done nothing wrong, you don't need a pardon.
00:04:40.000That's good that some people on the Jan 6th committee rejected the pardon because why do you need a pardon if you're innocent, which undermines the entire premise of these preemptive pardons, which I suppose is, oh no, when Trump comes in, he's going to vilify, condemn, and lock up his political enemies.
00:04:55.000We're going to give you preemptive pardons to protect you.
00:04:58.000That's the only defense for giving out these pardons.
00:05:01.000You needed these pardons because you've done something wrong.
00:05:04.000There are so many things that we see said now that would have been inconceivable at the height of the pandemic, and for good reason, because now we know that one of his last acts in office, in addition to pardoning Fauci, was for Joe Biden to give Moderna a near $600 million deal.
00:05:23.000Most of us are deeply cynical about the relationship between Big Pharma, the state, and the media.
00:05:29.000The fact is though that it isn't just in the issue of vaccines or even the pandemic more broadly where the relationship between the state A large corporation and the media are the defining triumvirate of relationships that control all of our lives.
00:05:44.000That's why the pandemic was so important.
00:05:45.000That's why I'll be talking to Jenna first in a little while about his film about Anthony Fauci.
00:05:51.000Firstly, this is some reporting by Ashley Rinsberg.
00:05:57.000This is fascinating, if you ask me, because what I like about this is, let me just show you this.
00:06:04.000During the pandemic, The LA Times was extremely favourable and supportive in the way they reported on the pandemic, generally demanding compliance from most of us and supporting government edicts, if not mandates.
00:07:05.000You only bought Immunity Bio to help humanity.
00:07:08.000Stop claiming everything you do to help humanity when it appears that you've got more nefarious ends intended.
00:07:13.000A biotech company developing the next generation of vaccines, including a universal booster for COVID. It's not enough that we all have to get COVID, chaps.
00:07:40.000True claims around vaccine injury were censored.
00:07:44.000True concerns about an incorrectly or inadequately trialled vaccine were censored.
00:07:50.000People questioning government policy were censored.
00:07:53.000Meanwhile, ludicrously and outrageously, we saw the amplification of the government's message through even the LA Times, and now we're beginning to understand why.
00:08:04.000Powerfully amplified and pressed the government's agenda.
00:08:07.000Just think, you've probably forgotten just how much propaganda there was.
00:08:10.000We saw Stephen Colbert dressed as vaccines.
00:08:14.000We saw the late-night James Corden show, people dancing in the streets celebrating Fauci.
00:08:19.000We saw hip-hop songs, gay songs, country songs, Christian songs.
00:08:34.000So they were clearly trying to significantly warp our perspective of vaccines.
00:08:40.000And this is a very specific example of how that went down.
00:08:44.000Of course, we're going to be looking at the fact that right up to the minute he left office, Biden was still funneling money towards Moderna.
00:09:37.000There's no absolute right to refuse vaccination.
00:09:41.000Would the LA Times, where do they stand on abortion?
00:09:45.000I know it's common to draw the comparison between bodily autonomy when it comes to vaccine and bodily autonomy when it comes to abortion.
00:09:54.000And it's extraordinary that one half of the political conversation is dedicated to the idea that you should be forced to have vaccines, but you should never be prevented from terminating a pregnancy.
00:10:09.000I don't know, you can explain to me in the comments and chat how those aren't contradictory concepts, but what's fascinating is to see how an organisation like the LA Times, most of us know it's absolute cod's wallet, is still somewhat regarded as a significant LA legacy media asset.
00:10:27.000Bring on the COVID vaccination mandates.
00:10:28.000The paper even argued there's no absolute right to refuse vaccination.
00:10:32.000They were relentless in promoting vaccines and vilifying those who hesitate.
00:10:36.000Also, by the way, saying there's no absolute right to deny vaccinations, that's a very strong position to take.
00:10:42.000You're saying the state should be able to control you right down to that level.
00:10:46.000And that kind of exposes statism, doesn't it?
00:10:49.000Generally speaking, you would accept that if you're staying in America, I've got to buy American rules, I've got to drive at the speed limit.
00:10:55.000But if you analyse it, you will see great state encroachment over all your actions and activities.
00:11:02.000The agenda of the state is control, and in the end, in pursuit of control, they will legitimise.
00:11:07.000Any measures necessary and will potentially participate in crisis, if not welcome crisis.
00:11:14.000Let's just not assume malevolence where incompetence will do.
00:11:18.000They will certainly exploit various crises.
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00:13:21.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:13:24.000We're in the middle of talking about Sun Xiong, the proprietor of the LA Times, who used his position to propagate a variety of messages.
00:13:32.000In a minute I'm going to be talking to Jenna first, distinguished American documentary filmmaker and producer who's made a fantastic film called Thank You, Dr. Fauci.
00:13:41.000And I think it might be a sarcastic thank you at this stage.
00:13:51.000Sun Xiong made waves on a podcast where he praised Bobby Kennedy, a long-time critic of COVID vaccines.
00:13:57.000I mean, this is one of the extraordinary vicissitudes of the recent election.
00:14:01.000The idea that Bobby Kennedy, who was once a person that I'd have been nervous of talking about because of his position on autism and vaccines, which we're now going to have to recognise there isn't significant clinical data to prove that there is no connection between autism and vaccines, because what they always say is...
00:14:19.000Anyway, what I'm sort of saying is that Bobby Kennedy is now a confirmation pending In a position of significant power.
00:14:27.000So notice that old Sun Xiong and his ilk are willing to bend the knee temporarily.
00:14:33.000Let me know in the comments in chat how surprised you've been to see various billionaires and tech oligarchs lining up beside Trump, showing in a way that there are no real principles behind their positions.
00:14:43.000It's simply expedient positions to take in order to get into positions of domination.
00:14:49.000Before we continue with the LA Times article, this is a brilliant conversation.
00:14:55.000Between a CNBC news anchor and former FDA commissioner, now Pfizer board member, Scott Gottlieb.
00:15:24.000A short while ago, in the glory days of the LA Times, where they were happily lying about moral positions of whether or not you should be out of control of your own body, it would have been inconceivable that someone would, on mainstream media, be able to even raise the question that there's a link between the rise in turbo cancers and all-cause mortality and vaccines.
00:16:56.000It's almost as if deals get done between organizations like Pfizer and government agencies, and it could be part of the nature of such deals that our intentions and agenda are so entwined that were vaccines causing cancer and contributing to all-cause mortality, all of us would...
00:17:12.000Agree to keep that matter secret no matter what.
00:17:16.000And in a crazy age where the JFK files are finally being released, I bet they keep a bit of it back, then you may, you can certainly assume you won't be getting the truth about Pfizer anytime soon.
00:17:27.000Particularly the incidence has been going up, particularly in young people.
00:18:18.000I'm eagerly pretending to care about people's health when he's just gone from the FDA to Pfizer and worried about people with the neurovirus.
00:18:30.000The neurovirus that's circulating right now is a new strain, so a lot of people probably don't have baseline immunity to it, and that's why you've seen so many people getting it and so many people getting sick.
00:18:39.000That's about the incidence of neurovirus right now is probably 2x what it was in the last five years.
00:18:45.000Try and show off saying 2x about neurovirus.
00:18:50.000It's not so long ago that the media amplified and propagandised for those vaccines.
00:18:56.000Clearly, over the next 18 months, maybe as part of the early Trump movement, administration now, plainly, we'll start to get revelations and facts that will help us to understand exactly what went on.
00:19:08.000But was he here, Ashley Rindberg, in his reporting as...
00:19:11.000He exposed some of the sinew that undergirded the policies of that era.
00:19:17.000Now, I told you that he was praising Bobby Kennedy.
00:19:21.000Where he praised Bobby Kennedy, a long-time critic of COVID vaccines.
00:19:25.000Soon Sean called RFK all about the science and claimed Kennedy understands the subject better than most doctors.
00:19:30.000This is coming from the man who owns a paper that called RFK's health policies a catastrophe.
00:20:43.000As a fantastic bit of report in there from Ashley Rinsberg.
00:20:46.000Follow him on X and look him up on Substack.
00:20:50.000Because what that does is it reveals to us that the expedient convenience of powerful media magnates who likely have conflicts of interest directed public policy when it came to a significant issue, perhaps the most significant post-war issue, the pandemic, perhaps the most significant post-war issue, the pandemic, where we recognise that globalism is real.
00:21:10.000Ashley Rinsberg there has shown us how some of the component parts came together.
00:21:14.000We're beginning to understand now the power of not only professional politicians like Anthony Fauci, and we'll be talking to Jenna first in a minute about his new film.
00:21:25.000But before that, and to conclude this special on vaccines, note that while leaving it...
00:21:31.000While leaving office, Joe Biden almost flung an emergency $600 million of funding at Moderna.
00:21:40.000Like, I saw one of his last desperate acts, pardoning Fauci, pardoning his kids, pardoning everybody that he's ever met, pardoning people who don't need pardons.
00:21:48.000He also flung $600 million, or at least his administration did, in the direction of Moderna.
00:21:54.000He is British, Anthony Fauci, if you can imagine such a thing, saying...
00:21:58.000That the deployment of vaccines was 100% a political decision.
00:22:02.000Why that's a crazy thing to say is it was supposed to be a medical decision.
00:22:06.000If it's a medical decision, it's a personal decision, particularly if it's never been clinically trialled for transmission.
00:22:10.000The whole thing, therefore, was propaganda and an early indicator that...
00:22:15.000Global powers, sets of political, state, interests and corporate, commercial powers are colluding to ensure that a series of crises will be used to prohibit and limit your freedom.
00:22:26.000Let me know in the comments in chat what you think they'll do next and what this A-I-M-R-N-A technology is likely to contribute to that power.
00:22:35.000Here's Chris Whitty saying that vaccines was 100% a political decision.
00:22:41.000VCOD, vaccine as a condition of deployment.
00:22:59.000He's like, okay, so look, tell me why it wasn't that bad and we can just blame a couple of bad apples for all this.
00:23:07.000Vaccine is a condition of deployment for persons working in care homes, and then subsequently there was a proposal to widen it out to the wider care and healthcare sector.
00:23:19.000Was that an issue which ultimately was for the chief medical officer, and it's obvious that you gave advice, and I'm not going to go into the details of the advice, or was it ultimately a political decision for ministers?
00:23:33.000My view is it was 100% a political decision.
00:23:36.000But there was some clinical information that needed to proceed it.
00:23:42.000But ultimately, it's about essentially balancing two risks and rights against one another, the risk to an individual who's highly vulnerable being cared for by someone who, because they haven't got a vaccine, then has an infection and then passes it on.
00:23:59.000Oh, that's amazing, because it's not clinically trialled for transmission, it never was.
00:24:04.000They're not even claiming that the vaccine would prevent you from giving it to another person, but that the vaccine might have prevented you from getting COVID in the first place and therefore protecting other people and therefore being a social duty and obligation.
00:24:48.000And then the next one is, do you trust the state to aggregate and calculate where your individual freedoms and the freedom of a community align?
00:24:56.000And the other question is, no I don't!
00:25:36.000So if you didn't do it, you're evil and racist and you're the next titler.
00:25:40.000Well, alright, I did get the vaccine and I still got COVID. Then I saw that person who had also had the vaccine and they still got COVID. And they died a couple of years later of myocarditis.
00:25:49.000So it's beginning to sound like the whole thing was based on dubious science at best and malfeasance at worst.
00:25:55.000And not actually worse, because totally the worst would be...
00:26:00.000Was an attempt to experiment with how much power could be asserted without significant resistance.
00:26:06.000The resistance came, though, and it was diffuse and peculiar and primarily originated out of independent media.
00:26:12.000Most of us recall the epochal moment where we saw, say, Robert Malone on Joe Rogan.
00:26:17.000Joe Rogan, let's face it, was pretty sensual during this time.
00:26:20.000And ultimately came to the conclusion that...
00:26:23.000Even if they had at some point thought that that vaccine was effective, they knew that it wasn't long before they stopped recommending it, in particular to certain communities like young people, for example, young men who are at risk of myocarditis and don't need to get it for themselves.
00:26:38.000You also recall all of the various media moments where they tried to sort of pull back a little bit and reframe it, and that's now actually finding it...
00:26:46.000Full expression for the LA Times story where the LA Times are sort of pretending that they've always really loved Bobby Kennedy.
00:26:52.000If they could destroy Bobby Kennedy, they would.
00:26:54.000If they could destroy you, they would.
00:26:57.000If they could control everybody by claiming that they're protecting you, they would.
00:27:01.000And they will continue to find ways to do that.
00:27:04.000I don't know, let me know in the comments in the chat, what you think, whether the Trump administration will be a significant bulwark and prophylactic against that kind of insidious desire for...
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00:29:36.000Without further delay, let's introduce our friend Jenna First, the documentary maker who made in 24, so just recently, the film Thank You, Dr. Fauci, that examines Fauci's role in the pandemic.
00:29:48.000A first-person investigation, so like Nick Broomfield or whatever, into the origins of COVID-19.
00:29:53.000First is the founder of Insight, a premium content studio, and up until very recently, maybe still is, you'll have to check, he was on Tucker Carlson's network.
00:30:01.000Jenna, thank you so much for joining us.
00:30:03.000Are the fires still actually going on?
00:30:05.000Let's not pretend this interview's happening now.
00:31:26.000Well, you know, I think we can accept acts of God, you know, Mother Nature, things like that, but this doesn't feel like A natural disaster.
00:31:39.000It feels like a disaster of government, a disaster of leadership.
00:31:56.000It's shocking, and I think it really highlighted how corrupt...
00:32:00.000The state of California is, and this whole water debate, and we don't even clean forests here.
00:32:07.000I mean, there's so many middle class jobs that could be created through forest management and even water projects that seem to be controlled.
00:32:18.000I mean, there's a family in California, supposedly, that controls all the water.
00:32:31.000You know, like when people sort of frame stuff as a natural disaster, this is what it made me realise just then.
00:32:40.000It sounds like what you're describing is a breaking of the pact or covenant that exists between the government and the governed.
00:32:49.000Like, you guys pay taxes there, and there are significant taxes in California, I know, because I've lived there.
00:32:56.000The property taxes are high, the income taxes are high, and those are particular California levies.
00:33:03.000So you feel like for that, what you should get is when there is a requirement for government intervention, whether that's criminal judicial issues or, inverted commas, natural disasters, you want excellence from your government.
00:33:16.000And if that doesn't come forth, you're like, right, you guys.
00:33:20.000Now, they describe it as a natural disaster, but there's a sort of a sub-narrative of Climate change, if you're on the sort of cultural left, and what climate change does is sort of says it's collectively being caused by the negligence of human beings.
00:33:38.000But it's not God in a kind of a traditional sense, like, you know, sort of a punishment.
00:33:42.000It's not like a flood or an inferno in order to punish people.
00:33:45.000It's just because collectively we are bad and nature has responded in this way as a kind of punishment.
00:33:53.000And really what I've noticed is whenever they suggest climate change legislation, it's usually punitive to ordinary people and doesn't regulate either huge interests or...
00:34:07.000What you might call economic or social elites.
00:34:11.000So this fire has brought a lot of political narratives to the forefront and you as a resident of LA fall firmly on the side of I sense government ineptitude because it should have been prepared for better and dealt with more quickly and efficiently.
00:34:26.000Yeah, I mean it's a perfect parallel to COVID, right?
00:34:29.000I mean a lot of the research that was done On these viruses, they were using global warming and climate change as an excuse that, you know, we're encroaching on rainforests and all these viruses are jumping over from nature and we have to research them and we have to take them into a laboratory and genetically engineer them so that we can get ahead of it.
00:34:55.000It can easily come from a rainforest to a village, maybe even make it to a wet market.
00:35:01.000But the biggest threat that we're facing is man-made intervention in this whole problem.
00:35:08.000And what's underneath that is an even more sinister story about bioweapons and espionage and a lot of scary stuff, the corruption of the pharmaceutical industry.
00:35:20.000The way that our government is captured by these large corporations that seek to, in effect, abuse the public.
00:35:28.000And so when you hear, for me, seeing this fire happen in Los Angeles, it's very symbolic, right?
00:35:37.000Aside from being the fifth largest economy on the planet, this is also a place where American culture is exported to the world.
00:35:48.000Our greatest export is Hollywood, and this is in many ways an image of America, for better or worse.
00:35:54.000I mean, I think a lot of countries that hate America look at Hollywood as a perfect example of our moral bankruptcy, and it's burning.
00:36:03.000And I go on the news and I'm someone who comes from the far left, like the anti-government left.
00:36:11.000Like I believe in the protection of people, the providing for the poor.
00:36:15.000You know, in many ways, a lot of my beliefs align with, say, libertarians.
00:36:20.000The difference is I think there should be a safety net because I grew up in cities, you know.
00:36:25.000But a lot of this anti-war, anti-corporations, anti-politics for the most part.
00:36:31.000And what I saw happen with this fire, it's almost a direct parallel to COVID because you saw party lines, you saw now it was a fight between Gavin Newsom and Donald Trump.
00:36:42.000And this is a distraction to the public, the same way it was during COVID, that the game is dividing the public.
00:36:49.000If you are any scholar of late-stage capitalism, you know that there is more than enough for everybody.
00:36:56.000But the illusion that there isn't, or even the illusion that we're facing some existential crisis that we can't do anything about, that we need to recycle, which is insane.
00:37:06.000I mean, we have technologies in place to do a number of different things to fight any issue with the climate.
00:37:12.000We have technologies in place to desalinate water in California.
00:37:20.000I mean, the Beijing Olympics, they were seeding rainstorms to clean the city.
00:37:24.000Why can't California do that with its driest forest?
00:37:27.000And it begs the question, you know, and it's not just negligence.
00:37:33.000I think there's something underneath it, like COVID, that's far more sinister.
00:37:36.000And in many ways, it's the abuse of public trust.
00:37:39.000It's the abuse of the safety net that should be there for people that isn't.
00:37:44.000That's pretty good analysis, if I may say, Jenna.
00:37:49.000Jenna, the idea of scarcity is an important component of social control because if you limit what's available, competition, and therefore competition becomes necessary and conflict becomes likely.
00:38:27.000I'm from go to, like, marches to support...
00:38:30.000Stockers, go to marches, anti-war, go to marches just to kick off, go to marches that are just generally against the, in inverted commas, the man.
00:38:40.000But because there's been such an extraordinary, rapid, and at times very confusing, set of cultural shifts, I sort of forgot that that was available.
00:38:51.000Some time ago, a friend of mine called Adam Curtis said that...
00:38:57.000When I was concerned, I was like, this is years ago, this might be ten years ago, because the stuff I'm starting to watch online and the people I'm starting to identify with are on their right wing, right?
00:39:08.000And he goes, well, just because this comes out of the right, it don't need to be, inverted commas, right wing, how you would...
00:39:47.000And that's, like, since coming to Christ or Christ coming to me, however you term it, it's one of the massive benefits of this has been that...
00:39:58.000I'm no longer left as a solitary adventurer when it comes to determining what moral course to make through issues because it's already sort of predetermined by not only scripture but by actions of Christ.
00:40:11.000And it's also a set of morals that supersede and Trump, forgive the word, whatever moral authority might be used to oppose it.
00:40:21.000Governmental, of course, governmental moral authority.
00:40:24.000So please, while telling us about how you came to make the film Thank You, Dr. Fauci, your 2024 film, out now...
00:40:36.000Now, can you tell us whether or not the COVID period somehow helped you to, or expedited your shift from, you know, the kind of, like, left-wing radical that I might, well, I was, like, I don't trust government, blah, blah, blah, that kind of stuff, big corporations, you know, I said in the last show we were doing, I was like, in the Iraq wars, it was Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, they were all, like, right-wing conservatives doing that war gear then.
00:41:04.000Who are these migratory interests that seem to operate beneath these systems of war?
00:41:11.000Anyway, can you tell me how your, thank you, you've already illustrated how the 20, these current fires are comparable to the COVID pandemic, and I thought that was really well explained.
00:41:20.000Could you help me to understand how you changed and learned during that pandemic period, in particular with regard to your previous identification as a sort of a leftist radical?
00:41:32.000Well, yeah, I mean, you touched on it.
00:41:36.000And so I saw, you know, an act of, quote, terror be used to reorganize the world, to strip average Americans, regular people of their civil liberties, to invoke government authority unlike anything that this democracy or republic has ever seen.
00:42:01.000That is really what formed my belief system, and it was Cheney and Bush and that whole world that built my consciousness about empire and about late-stage capitalism and about the way that we were organizing to control the world through a series of illusions and through the use of propaganda.
00:42:26.000In a new world, in a world that had the internet and eventually social media.
00:43:25.000A recent series I did was called Murdoch Murders.
00:43:28.000It was seen by a hundred, streamed for a hundred million hours in the first two weeks.
00:43:33.000And so it's, you know, I've been repeatedly looking at the zeitgeist, looking at what, you know, trends.
00:43:42.000And so I consider myself a cynical person, someone who knows how to analyze media, someone who knows how to analyze propaganda.
00:43:49.000And the most shocking thing to me was with that entire background, with that conditioning to distrust, with an anti-authoritarian, you know, pro-public, pro-whore, pro-manipulation of the masses, you know, investigating these things and pro-independence, I realized that I was just a sucker.
00:44:15.000And that I had been a sucker for a couple years with this COVID story.
00:44:19.000And that as much as I could buy and as much as I was willing to accept in the very beginning that this virus came from a lab, I found myself going along with the herd in my business and my industry, you know, not wanting to make waves, you know, taking what I could get for work and arguing with my own family.
00:45:18.000And ironically, in the beginning of the pandemic, an Academy Award-winning actor who is a very, very big actor was doing a project about Fauci, and it was a total puff piece, and I was attached to direct it.
00:45:32.000And this is 2020, April 2020, when he's just kind of on the news all day for the first time.
00:45:39.000And it was about his history of, you know, in the AIDS pandemic in Africa, specifically during the Bush-Cheney administration, and how he had Bush and Condoleezza Rice had wanted to stop the AIDS pandemic in Africa.
00:47:03.000Let me look at the evidence because I'm not going to make anything that's a witch hunt or just bashing this guy.
00:47:11.000I need to know that I can tell a story that's subjective and one that feels like it's investigative and like a true crime and something that people would find entertaining on both sides of this issue.
00:47:22.000Something people would be able to access on both sides of this issue.
00:47:26.000And that three hours that I'm referring to was the first three hours that I used my critical investigative tools to see that there were 300,000 pages of evidence that had existed for almost two years by that point, and that I had lived in a world where they didn't exist.
00:47:47.000My algorithm on social media, the newspapers I choose to believe in, you know, the New York Times, the Washington Post, all this stuff, they didn't cover this.
00:47:57.000And this was arguably the biggest story of our time.
00:48:01.000And at that point, I had a sinking feeling as a quote, informed person, as a quote, radical, as someone who's supposed to investigate everything, that I was just another sucker.
00:48:56.000What I'm doing is bringing together these brave voices, all of whom are reputable doctors, scientists, intelligence analysts, former government officials, the CDC director at the time of the pandemic, and just highlighting.
00:49:08.000The absolutely staggering amount of evidence and the chilling facts that underscore the story and that were available to the press on day one, including Fauci's history, which is not new.
00:49:23.000The guy has been controversial for 30 years.
00:49:25.000And all of a sudden, the media has amnesia about that.
00:49:29.000And we live in a world where we can't tell a story more than 15 seconds on the news.
00:49:35.000And you certainly can't tell a story that's critical of the pharmaceutical industry because they're the biggest advertiser.
00:49:41.000So, you know, I'm just bringing this to the surface.
00:49:46.000I'm just someone who's brought it together and digested it for the global public so that we can actually take this seriously and understand the implications.
00:49:56.000The story that you're referring to, presumably then, is that there's long been evidence that there's...
00:50:01.000That there was a bioweapons program that DARPA had invested in Wuhan that Fauci actively repressed the research and revelation of the lab leak theory, that American money has been spent in that lab in Wuhan, that it's impossible or near impossible that a virus could evolve.
00:50:28.000...in that way outside of a laboratory because there's a molecular signature that makes that impossible, that the vaccines themselves were not significantly or sufficiently clinically trialed, that there were lies about their potential impact on...
00:50:47.000Pregnant women, their effectiveness and necessity on children, the way that the pandemic lockdown could or should have been handled, whether or not you vaccinate during a pandemic or for stop, the correct utilisation of mRNA technology and how to deploy that, even the use of the word vaccine, all things that were, as you say, available to us, notably through the work of Bobby Kennedy, who in some near miracle...
00:51:17.000He now finds himself the head of the largest governmental department in the world, the HHS, and that's got to be seen as a significant move forward.
00:51:26.000So when you're talking about the contributors to your film, JNR, how do you tell the story?
00:51:35.000Do you talk to Marty Makkari, Bhattacharya, are you talking to people that are now again in government?
00:51:42.000And so that is what's crazy is a year ago, when I was in the middle of bringing this to the surface, these were people who had been exiled, alienated, discredited.
00:51:54.000I know Bobby, I've sat with Bobby, really great person dedicated to protecting the public, obviously politically manipulated on the news for the advantage of many different...
00:52:10.000Forces that do not want him to accomplish what he is intending to do, which is to actually create safety nets for us and our food and our medicines and vaccines.
00:52:23.000The term anti-vax takes on the same sort of heiress terrorist or communist.
00:52:31.000It's these buzzwords in American society that are used to immediately communicate.
00:52:38.000That you were on the wrong side or that you're one of us.
00:52:44.000And in this case, what's so ironic is that in, you know, around 9-11, you know, the real nexus of evil for me in my investigative work was the Bush administration.
00:52:58.000Really the moment that Fauci got more power than he's ever had in his life.
00:53:02.000People think he's a progressive or a liberal.
00:53:04.000He couldn't be further from those things.
00:53:08.000He was put in a position of unchecked power after 9-11 by Dick Cheney after the anthrax attacks, which were a false flag terrorist attack.
00:53:23.000They were, you know, Cheney used the excuse that it was potentially Al-Qaeda.
00:53:29.000Saddam Hussein had anthrax, that there were weapons of mass destruction.
00:53:33.000Well, it turns out that it was a biodefense researcher at Fort Detrick, which is pretty much the Main campus of bioweapons for the armed forces in the United States.
00:53:46.000And this man allegedly was concerned about biodefense research, and so he staged a hoax and sent this anthrax around to the press and to politicians.
00:54:03.000Until 2008, when Cheney and Bush were headed out of office, so at the end of their administration, this bombshell comes out.
00:54:11.000And this man, Bruce Ivins, now arrested and facing a trial as someone who staged this, starts speaking out that the story couldn't be further from the truth, that he didn't act alone.
00:54:29.000When Congress, members of our Congress begin to accept the fact that he may not have acted alone, which means that there could have been a larger conspiracy to leak this anthrax in order to basically change regulation, culture, funding, authority for biodefense.
00:54:49.000This man, Bruce Ivins, around that moment in time in 2008, he dies.
00:55:00.000So we're asked to believe that a senior biodefense researcher, a talented scientist, would choose to overdose on Tylenol at the very moment that he's claiming that he did not act alone in the story that the government is releasing is not the one.
00:55:19.000Because when that fake terrorist attack happened, Anthony Fauci Was put in a position of unchecked power.
00:55:29.000And Dick Cheney took biodefense out of the Pentagon and the Defense Department, where it was heavily regulated, where there was all this compliance review to make sure you weren't violating the Bioweapons Treaty from the 70s.
00:55:42.000And he put it in this totally innocuous health institute.
00:55:48.000In the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, where a career bureaucrat, who by that point was probably, even then, in the turn of the century, one of the most powerful people in the entire HHS system because he had so much seniority, he, at that moment, got unchecked power.
00:56:17.000And they were doing advanced vaccine research and stockpiling under the lie that we had been attacked by a terrorist who sent anthrax to politicians.
00:56:31.000And if you read Anthony Fauci's book...
00:56:38.000He does not mention once that the anthrax attack was a false flag, lab origin, United States government attack.
00:56:49.000And he spends a good deal of time talking about how it was not a terrorist attack and how it was not.
00:56:59.000A false flag and that it was actually a terrorist attack and that he was valiantly trying to protect the public from the risk of these terrorist attacks.
00:57:08.000So you literally could look at everything that this man comments about his legacy and there is a flip side to the story and it's one of deception.
00:57:18.000It's one of high levels of bureaucratic manipulation and of very dark and sinister Interests that in many ways we're now beginning to see are bigger than nation states.
00:57:37.000These are companies that have interests across many nations around the country and that conspire for power within our government in what's called the deep state, which was...
00:57:50.000Originally a leftist term, you know, the idea that all of our agencies are captured by these corporations and that really these these agencies by, you know, these corporations by way of these agencies like HHS, you know, which has the FDA, the CDC, the NIH, you know, this massive blob.
00:58:09.000of a bureaucracy, that the corporations are, in effect, more powerful than the president, the country itself, the Congress, and that we know enough to know that Congress is completely ineffective.
00:58:23.000Most of the members of Congress are leveraged by lobbyists, you know, either through just money and perks or straight contramat and blackmail, which is a known thing.
00:58:36.000You know, Epstein, you know, that's a chapter of it.
00:58:39.000But on the flip side, the Republicans had their own system, which broke in the 80s called the Franklin Files, where they were exploiting closeted homosexual legislators, and they were blackmailing them and forming lobbying companies through blackmail tapes.
00:58:57.000So that's the American government, right?
00:59:00.000And so when the American government tells you to do something, you should pretty much consider that The opposite is your best interest and that, in effect, what you're being demanded to do or mandated to do is to ingratiate a very, you know, morally bankrupt corporation.
00:59:21.000And so that's who Anthony Fauci really is.
00:59:37.000If we think about how the media initially presented Anthony Fauci, not only it was not neutral, it was an extremely propagandistic, highly editorialized perspective, almost as heavily editorialized as the highly editorialized perspective, almost as heavily editorialized as the example you give from his own self-read home.
00:59:58.000Of not mentioning an entire perspective.
01:00:01.000Now, the kind of rupture that appears when you see not only a kind of living hagiography of Fauci play out across late night talk shows, emblazoning pins and t-shirts and banners, and that kind emblazoning pins and t-shirts and banners, and that kind of particular jocularity that disgusts me.
01:00:29.000That was the bit where I was like, you know, I'm so grateful, man, that I suppose ultimately, My dislike of establishment power is probably, well, ultimately spiritual, but more perhaps germanely psychological and then political.
01:00:54.000So like me, because I don't trust authority...
01:00:58.000Like, that was the first thing it hit in me, is why are we being told all of this so enthusiastically?
01:01:06.000And by the time it got to the sort of the...
01:01:09.000...kick line of syringes with Colbert, and Colbert will go out to bat hard against Bobby Kennedy.
01:01:17.000It starts to make you realise that we're living in this sort of extraordinarily inverted culture, where someone, by all accounts, who is not neutral, but I don't want to be reductive because he's a child of the Lord, etc., but someone who is...
01:01:30.000Villainous, like Fauci, is portrayed as heroic, and someone who's heroic, like Bobby Kennedy, is portrayed as villainous.
01:01:38.000Where might we go now with a whole host and raft of other stories that are attributed to the same space that we now have sketched out and recognised?
01:01:48.000Now, on that point, you said right at the beginning that the terrorism paradigm was ultimately used to strip civil liberties, and the COVID paradigm...
01:02:02.000Now, I wonder how long we can continue to regard them as civil liberties, you know, like to sort of dance around some of George Carlin's analysis, who would say, where do you get these rights from?
01:02:14.000Where are these inalienable rights coming from?
01:02:23.000It's an irrefutable, universal principle that no one can deny, that means that human life is sacred, for example, or that we ought to revere nature, not because it's a resource, but because we're part of it and have a role to play with it.
01:02:35.000I wonder, Jenna, now that you've sort of, like, and I recognise you've got another part coming out for your film, and I'll be excited to see that too.
01:02:43.000When you, like, you mentioned Epstein, but do you start thinking, well, what do you think's going on with the, you know, suicide, the suicide of, was it Bruce Ivins?
01:02:52.000Do you start to think, wow, well I wonder what the truth is with, say, the Clinton kill list?
01:02:57.000And I wonder what the truth is when it comes to some of Assange's reporting?
01:03:02.000Do you start to feel a kind of an unbridled embrace that, oh my god, all of this stuff is potentially open?
01:03:13.000And when, right, and I'm saying this because of what you declared about yourself culturally at the beginning, i.e.
01:03:19.000When and where do you look at, say, David Icke and Alex Jones and say, well, where do I not go that they have gone?
01:03:29.000Where do I not go that they have gone, given that basically everything we've said so far, David Icke or Alex Jones would have told us, like, in 1980. Right, but they also have said a lot of other things, right?
01:04:09.000I'm willing for anyone, especially people who come from the left or who are part of the Democratic Party, to challenge this narrative and act as if I was funded by a super pact, which I was not.
01:04:24.000And we live in a world right now where you mentioned these people, you know, shock jocks and for all of time and people who really actually Sometimes touch on these nerves that are highly factual and are really transmitting truth about some very hard topics.
01:04:47.000We live in a world where our intelligence service utilizes this format to create chaos and information.
01:04:57.000And there is so much information now that it is almost part of our human behavior.
01:05:03.000That we would have to emotionally evaluate this information as if it is coming from a stranger or an enemy or if it's coming from a friend or an ally.
01:05:16.000And it is in that space that intelligence agencies, the great, evil, powerful forces that want to abuse the regular people, that they do their best work.
01:05:28.000Because the fact that there is so much information out there...
01:05:32.000And the fact that there's so much misinformation about COVID specifically or about anything else, fill in the blank, that someone, a regular person, is overwhelmed by that and will make an emotional decision about the information they're going to consume.
01:05:49.000They will choose to follow these 3 or 4, 10, 15, 150 people.
01:05:57.000And therein lies the real dirty work because all of that.
01:06:02.000Is part of the game theory that exists at the very top.
01:06:05.000And I don't mean the top of our government.
01:06:07.000I don't mean the president of the United States.
01:06:08.000I mean the folks that are more powerful than the president of the United States and the United Nations and any president of any country.
01:06:15.000The folks who use information to keep us divided, to keep us siloed, to keep us afraid.
01:06:24.000To keep us suffering from cognitive dissonance, that when we're faced with a truth, that we have been conditioned to accept a reality so different from that, that we feel viscerally affected by it.
01:06:42.000We actually want to go against our own interests to believe the lies of Multi-billion dollar, if not trillion dollar corporate interests that have routinely abused and killed the poor.
01:06:58.000And this is the story of America from day one.
01:07:02.000And that is, again, part of our amnesia as a country here in America.
01:08:13.000And they took over a town for years as a militia.
01:08:18.000And the plantation class was so horrified by the reality that these poor disenfranchised people, these slaves who they relied on, the free labor that they relied on to build their industries, the free labor that built this country, they were so horrified that they intervened.
01:08:36.000And I don't think it was a master cobbler conspiracy.
01:08:39.000It was almost like just gravity, like the force of nature, like the way things go when there's this much of a gap in the have and the have nots.
01:09:07.000It thrives off that 99% of people who actually have common interests, who actually share more life experiences in common than that fraction of percentage.
01:09:31.000And then the flip side is, it's the assassination of Martin Luther King, not because he's talking about race, but because he's forming a poor people's movement.
01:09:45.000Probably did not shoot him and that the FBI was likely involved.
01:09:50.000And this Bobby Kennedy, what the fire in his belly is that two of his family members, his father was assassinated, you know, likely by with the cooperation of the United States government.
01:10:05.000And we don't even we haven't even declassified those files yet.
01:10:09.000And so if you look at the story of America and why I consider myself a patriot is because.
01:10:14.000At least I'm here talking about it, right?
01:10:16.000We have enough freedoms that I can be on your podcast.
01:10:19.000And yeah, I can worry about being killed or doing things.
01:10:22.000But you know, it comes back to that point I said before.
01:10:25.000People are more likely to mislead me and get me to publish false information than they are to kill me.
01:10:33.000The people who get killed are the people who are sitting on whistleblowers and people who have the cure for cancer or AIDS or the lone reporter in a town down south.
01:10:46.000And so who knows what Alex Jones, his back channels have been over the years, but he would certainly be a perfect person to manipulate if you were trying to create misinformation or you're trying to confuse people.
01:10:58.000And that's no disrespect to him or his platform.
01:11:00.000I just mean that we cannot trust anything anymore because the game theory at the top is so evolved and so sophisticated that every single thing can be used in a way to benefit.
01:11:15.000Think about this, that all these people committed these frauds and crimes, the pharmaceutical industry, the United States government, our intelligence service, our military, Anthony Fauci, big science across multiple other countries as well.
01:11:29.000And those bad actors, it was win-win for them.
01:11:34.000We live in a world where it's lose-lose for 99% of people, no matter how you cut it, and win-win for that fraction of percentage, no matter how you cut it.
01:11:44.000It's win-win because the game theory and the way they benefit even from chaos, the way they benefit even from crime and fraud and murder is so defined and so predictable that it's going to happen again.
01:11:55.000And if we don't think another man-made pandemic is coming after this one, we are so fucking asleep.
01:12:01.000Because if they made this much money and they got that much social control, and when I say they, a big blob, amorphous hydra that you can't kill, if they...
01:12:12.000If it was so successful for them, we better believe it's going to happen again, and we better fight like hell to prevent it, because it's going to be far worse than the last time.
01:12:21.000The reason I brought up Alex Jones and David Icke is because in addition to their contributions when it comes to institutional corruption and how that likely has a global component, that these various institutions, whether they're commercial or state, are transcendent of nation.
01:12:36.000And therefore transcendent of democratic reach is because both of them have an esoteric component to their analysis.
01:12:43.000They don't just talk about the movement of power and the movement of money and the influence through lobbying and donations and think tanks and the Atlantic Council and the various manoeuvres that could occur within state institutions.
01:12:59.000Neither do they stop short of the analysis that you could find through Chomsky, among others, that...
01:13:05.000Crises are beneficial to institutions of power.
01:13:09.000Why I think that the pandemic was such a clarifying time, the analysis that you could apply to the pandemic, you can equally apply to terrorism, or you can apply to war, or to a variety of ideas.
01:13:34.000It was such a clarifying time because we saw in concentration, concurrence, and in a relatively short period of time, how the same crisis was beneficial to various sets of interests.
01:13:46.000What I would further contest is that these interests, in addition...
01:13:51.000To the perspicacious reporting offered by those somewhat shamanic figures, I reckon it's helpful to look at them as somewhat shamanic, because as Whitney Webb said to me some time ago, Much of what Alex Jones says is difficult to corroborate.
01:14:09.000It was the lovely journalistic phrase that I rather enjoyed from Whitney Webb.
01:14:14.000But continually and intuitively, Ike would say that there is evidence, and perhaps so would Alex Jones, but they continually refer to an occultist dimension.
01:14:25.000Now the reason that interests me, Jenna, is because...
01:14:28.000When we're talking about sort of game theory and chaos, the manipulation of information and the benefits engendered to the powerful through crisis and therefore the likelihood that crisis itself becomes generated in order to benefit from the control that it affords, what's difficult is where do we look to for some kind of authority, as you said, of yourself?
01:14:49.000Why would anyone trust you or me or anyone over anyone else?
01:14:53.000We're all human beings, we're all flawed, we're all fallible, we're all prone to the same kind of manipulation.
01:14:59.000You know, when I see sort of baroque and incursive critiques of Elon Musk, I think, well, how would you get on if you were granted that much power?
01:15:09.000And the reason that I know that is because I've seen how people have sort of criticized me, both through influence and indeed through the way I behaved when I was a sort of, you know, operating within, let's call it a different power structure with different rewards.
01:15:24.000What I feel now, and what I've been shown now, is that we have a requirement for absolute authority, and you cannot get Absolute authority via any human system.
01:15:36.000You can get consensus, which is a kind of authority, I suppose, if there's ten people in a room and all ten people agree how to divide up food or open the window or how to resist assailants.
01:15:52.000But that authority is kind of based on majority and presupposes that a majority couldn't be wrong.
01:15:58.000And we know from the same history that we're loosely discussing here that The majority is often wrong, just to use the example that you used.
01:16:05.000The majority was perfectly fine with slavery for the vast majority of human history, and for a significant portion of that time it was not sort of racially determined, but just determined by the convenience of who the people were that were available to enslave.
01:16:20.000And the narratives that grow out of these things are usually convenient in their own way too.
01:16:25.000So I suppose that's my way of saying that since surrendering, I've lost none of the power granted by the aspect of the left that's correctly focused on fraternity, solidarity.
01:16:45.000Kindness, service, the interests of the poor, because, you know, there's quite a lot of talk in Christianity about the interests of the poor, of children and widows.
01:16:54.000There's quite a lot of talk in Christianity about our shared human family.
01:17:00.000There's quite a lot of talk in Christianity about how every individual has access to God and that it needn't and oughtn't be institutionalized.
01:17:08.000Now, any sort of Christian who's been doing it for 10 months, and that's about how long I've been doing it, will...
01:17:14.000We'll recognise that Christian institutions themselves are hardly immune to exploitation, and a Christian narrative, like any narrative, could be exploited.
01:17:24.000But without God, without God, and that's the real problem of globalism, and globalism was what was exposed, I would say, in the main during the COVID period, i.e.
01:17:34.000there are sets of economic, commercial, and state, and bureaucratic interests that co-align, coalesce, and have a shared agenda.
01:17:42.000That are not only about dominion, profit and finance, but ultimately about control, or as you put it, strip civil liberties.
01:17:50.000If individuals have no individual or shared power, then what is there to resist this ongoing, encroaching globalist force?
01:18:00.000And what is primarily necessary for globalism to succeed?
01:18:06.000Is the imposition of the idea that there is no moral authority transcendent of mankind.
01:19:06.000I know what he said and did as best I can from Matthew or Paul.
01:19:12.000But, you know, the rest of it, I think, is an example of what you pointed out with our sort of more unfortunate human instinct.
01:19:23.000In fact, even blind worship of Christ legalistically.
01:19:30.000Is the same as a shamanistic or sort of a cult following that you would see for celebrities or the iconography or the idolatry that Moses was upset about at the bottom of the mountain.
01:20:10.000And in fact, where the greatest evil can be done is not in...
01:20:14.000The lone killer on the loose, because actually, as humans, we have a pretty good system for that.
01:20:21.000The community would normally, I guess, like 50,000 years ago, 75,000 years ago, we'd band together and hit the guy with a fucking rock.
01:20:31.000But nowadays, excuse my language, but nowadays, we have a situation here where...
01:20:36.000Actually, our most morally corrupt, our greatest evil, is in the pursuit of global power, is in the conquest of a power yet greater than the one we fathomed before.
01:20:49.000And that part of human instinct, the formation of governments based on lies and myths, seeking power at that level, seeking wealth at a level a million times more than any of your descendants could ever enjoy.
01:21:23.000Is in our ability to recognize each other when in the same room, when in the same community, two people sworn enemies on the internet or politically can usually sit down and have dinner together or talk about their issues.
01:21:38.000And after enough time, they usually strike common ground.
01:21:41.000Because as I said, 99% of the people are essentially powerless.
01:21:45.000And I don't mean just in America, on the planet.
01:21:48.00099% of people living on planet Earth right now.
01:22:22.000And so what is happening in society is that we are being siloed more and more and encouraged to silo, encouraged to find our family, our chosen family on the internet, through our followers, through our beliefs, through the podcasts that we listen to.
01:22:39.000And we're being conditioned not to talk to a stranger at a coffee shop or to roll our window down and look a homeless person in the eye.
01:22:49.000and offer them what you can offer them and that Is the part of our human nature that is the part that you can never take away.
01:22:57.000And so my response to you, and where do we go with all this?
01:23:00.000It's always going to be about community.
01:23:02.000It's always going to be about what you can touch and reach with your arm, with your car, how far you can drive in your community and have an effect.
01:23:09.000Because the global myth that we are meant to consume the news and know what's happening in the world, it is a complete fallacy.
01:23:17.000The human brain is not meant to conceive the pain of the world and the impact of governments.
01:23:23.000The human brain is not even capable of conceiving the American government, And yet we vote on it every two years and every four years in a great big spectacle when it is not our instinct to even fathom that grinding machine.
01:23:40.000And that if we looked at it close enough, we'd be so horrified that we would want nothing to do with it.
01:23:46.000Yet we pander about these political concepts and who's our party and who's our guy because that team sport mentality that's siloing the public is exactly what makes that evil thrive on a global scale.
01:23:59.000So my response to it is, go and touch the people in your community.
01:24:16.000There was a lot of transfer of wealth.
01:24:18.000But one of the most tragic things that happened is we are accustomed and we are at peace with living life like this in a series of boxes using technology that many people have enjoyed the comfort of it.
01:24:33.000And we forgot what it is to go out and speak with another human being, shake their hand, give them a hug.
01:24:40.000Know what it is to feel in your body the effect of being with another human being because that is our nature and this is not our nature.
01:24:50.000And so this is being manipulated to divide us.
01:24:55.000All I know is that I do give comfort to people like you do in all of your movies that when you're upset after a hard day's work or you're alone or you want answers, people turn my documentaries on or they turn your movies on.
01:25:08.000And so that's my act of service is just somehow bringing morality to that platform, which is still entertainment and people are consuming it and wanting to escape, but at the same time, leave better than when they came in.
01:25:21.000And I believe if you watch this movie, you'll be better than you came in.
01:25:24.000We can watch Thank You, Dr. Fauci by Jenna first.
01:25:29.000Tell us what the platform is, mate, that it's on.
01:25:33.000Because I know that you're working with our friend Tucker.
01:25:35.000Yeah, you know, all my films have been on big, major streamers.
01:25:41.000And this is the first film that I did completely differently.
01:26:06.000So we put it on our website, which is highly secure.
01:26:10.000And it started to go viral and get a grassroots following.
01:26:13.000And now Tucker Carlson, who, you know, historically, I would have looked at someone like Tucker Carlson as my enemy, right?
01:26:20.000I grew up, like I said, in 9-11 and, you know, in many, we hit Fox News, all this stuff.
01:26:25.000But when I sit with Tucker and we have these conversations, lo and behold, you know.
01:26:29.000We're having an informed conversation with a sense of commonality, and that is the dialogue that I want to foster.
01:26:38.000And so he was very gracious in offering Tucker Carlson Network, his platform, as a way to expand the awareness about this film as it previews and gets ready to be on a major streamer, because this is the type of film that People don't want you to see.
01:26:55.000And so I'm very grateful for that support.
01:26:57.000And so viewers now can go to Tucker Carlson Network and watch it there.
01:27:02.000And that's the best place to see it nowadays.
01:27:05.000You better put it on Facebook before long, mate.
01:27:19.000I appreciate, Jenna, you making the time to come on our show and your excellent work in making this documentary and some of the other films as well.
01:27:25.000A real set of very interesting and important topics you've covered, not least the opioid crisis.
01:27:31.000I mean, the firefest was a little bit more fun, but I'm really excited that you made time to come on here.
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