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00:19:02.000Thanks for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand on Rumble.
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00:19:26.000We are going to be talking about the state and the legacy media's war on free speech and in particular how that has affected me this week.
00:19:33.000We've also got Jimmy Dore coming up on the show and you know what Jimmy Dore will be advocating for.
00:19:39.000Revolution, mass disobedience, new alliances between ordinary people, putting aside the barriers and boundaries of left and right, that we can come together to oppose increasingly authoritarian centralised power.
00:19:52.000We're going to continue to do on this channel what we've always done.
00:20:00.000So the first story we're going to talk about is Stoltenberg acknowledging that Putin invaded Ukraine due to NATO infringement.
00:20:08.000A significant story because of course what we've mostly been schooled in is that Russia are a criminal nation, led by a lunatic in Putin that unprovoked attacked Ukraine.
00:20:20.000As we always say, the Ukrainian people should be utmost in our thoughts
00:20:23.000and the humanitarian imperatives that the world claims are what's driving this war
00:20:29.000ought be what's driving a move towards peace.
00:20:32.000But as you know, the military-industrial complex are significantly invested
00:20:37.000in what some people, Jimmy Dore notably, regard as a money laundering operation.
00:20:42.000Let's have a look at Stoltenberg acknowledging the simple truth that Putin was provoked.
00:20:49.000President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021 and he actually sent a draft treaty that he wanted NATO to sign to promise no more NATO enlargement.
00:21:13.000He wanted us to sign a promise never to enlarge NATO.
00:21:17.000He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe.
00:21:27.000We should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance.
00:21:32.000Introducing some kind of E and B, a second class membership.
00:22:04.000We are plainly in a position where your direct support is going to be incredibly valuable to us.
00:22:10.000Now, what we've just heard there described is the reasons that Putin went to war with Ukraine.
00:22:16.000Let's get into this story a little more deeply.
00:22:19.000Jesse Stoltenberg asserted today that weakening Russia in Ukraine could allow the United States to intensify its efforts in countering China.
00:22:26.000Stoltenberg and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Mark Milley believe the war in Ukraine will continue for years if Kiev is to achieve its military goals.
00:22:35.000Stoltenberg said we must prepare ourselves for a long war in Ukraine.
00:22:39.000Who would benefit from a long war in Ukraine?
00:22:42.000Would it be the Ukrainian people or would it be the military-industrial complex?
00:22:45.000Why don't you let us know in the chat what you think.
00:22:47.000President Biden met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday and announced the new tranche of US military aid for Ukraine that includes more cluster bombs which are notorious for killing and maiming civilians.
00:23:01.000It seems that there's an absolute amorality when it comes to the approach of this war, when it comes to telling stories about this war, when it comes to dissenting against this war, when it comes to advocating for peace, when it comes to looking at what conditions may have led to this war.
00:23:16.000In a minute, we're going to have our presentation.
00:23:19.000here's the F in News where I'm going to be talking about how the state, legacy media
00:23:24.000and big tech cooperate with one another in order to control narratives that are plainly
00:23:29.000against the interests of ordinary people. How they prevent us from becoming united around
00:23:33.000topics as diverse as the pandemic and indeed this ongoing conflict. And also how the same
00:23:39.000PsyOps units that used to be engaged in opposition against ISIS are now being deployed against
00:23:47.000domestic populations. We're talking about that in a matter of moments. Also, we'll be
00:23:51.000talking to Jimmy Dore. But I think it's important that we cover these vital issues that appear
00:23:57.000to have considerable opposition from the mainstream legacy media. We're talking about what we've
00:24:02.000always talked about. Big Pharma and their ability to assert and exert power over political
00:24:09.000The military-industrial complex that seem to be able to control foreign policy, to generate, create war, and then find convenient excuses for why that war might be taking place.
00:24:20.000Most of all, what we're advocating for is our shared collective voices and our ability to independently communicate with one another.
00:24:28.000For the possibility that we might create new systems together.
00:24:31.000If we don't have the ability to control currency, if we don't have the ability to create independent media, then we are slowly being corralled into a totalitarian space where nobody has any individual power.
00:24:44.000We already live in a globalist, corporatist condition where unelected bodies, whether that's NATO, no one voted for them, the WHO, no one voted for them, or the UN, are in a position Where they are able to impose policy on sovereign nations.
00:25:00.000Democracy is becoming meaningless and the only reason those stories are not being told is because legacy media are in lockstep with one another in order to prevent truthful, open and honest conversations happening that would allow us to form new alliances.
00:25:15.000We'll be looking at that in Here's the News.
00:25:17.000But now, without going too much more deeply into this Obvious crisis and counter-narrative to how the war between Ukraine and Russia began.
00:25:24.000Let's have a look at the Empire State Building being lit up as a giant Pfizer needle.
00:25:32.000This is a press release about that story.
00:25:34.000Today the Empire State Building turned its iconic building blue to announce that the CDC recommends everyone six months of age and older gets this season's updated COVID-19 shot.
00:25:43.000The blue light symbolizes our gratitude and appreciation for the updated vaccines and all those who made it possible.
00:25:51.000A literal monolith and icon of American culture is being turned into an advertisement for a private company.
00:25:59.000When did the symbols of a great nation become co-opted by a corporation?
00:26:04.000How has this been allowed to happen and how is it still allowed to be referred to as a democracy?
00:26:09.000Marty Makary, Professor Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, wrote in the New York Post that Pfizer's version of the new vaccine has not been tested on humans at all.
00:26:18.000We only have data about antibody production from 10 mice.
00:26:22.000If I wasn't reading that from a reliable scientist myself, I would assume that it was untrue.
00:26:28.000How is that plausible and feasible that a national cause, an international notion, can be presented to a global population on the basis of ten mice?
00:26:39.000The experience of ten mice is being used to undergird an ongoing global program.
00:26:44.000For me, that's a cause for some concern.
00:26:47.000In summer 2020, as Covid vaccines moved ahead at warp speed, the companies behind them promised they wouldn't make too much money.
00:26:55.000Pfizer chairman Albert Baller was emphatic.
00:26:57.000His company was developing a Covid vaccine for the good of humanity, not for money, he told Time magazine in 2020.
00:27:04.000This is not business as usual, he said.
00:27:06.000If you were calculating return on investment, we would never do these things.
00:27:10.000We were discussing that back in March, what that means to human lives, to the economy of the world, so it must be that we take those measures.
00:27:17.000Thus Pfizer would not overcharge for the mRNA vaccine it was developing with the German company BioNTech, Baller said.
00:27:23.000We're going to charge governments a very, very nominal value, he said.
00:27:27.000Asked directly if Pfizer intended to profit, Baller said, we will make a very, very marginal profit at this stage.
00:27:34.000Pfizer made more than $100 billion in profits from the COVID vaccine in 2022 alone.
00:27:41.000Those facts seem to me to be significant.
00:27:43.000Those facts seem to me worthy of discussion.
00:27:47.000And I don't think we're going to see that discussed on the mainstream media.
00:27:50.000Let me know in the chat if you've noticed how the mainstream media reports on certain stories investigating them extremely thoroughly and elsewhere there is little or no debate or dissent.
00:28:02.000What do you think is actually happening?
00:28:03.000So whether it's the war in Ukraine and NATO's involvement in provoking it or Pfizer's relationship with the United States of America and their ability to co-opt National symbols of pride and turn them into corporate emblems that have only been, let's face it, tested on 10 mice.
00:28:20.000It seems that the state and the media have a pretty close relationship.
00:28:25.000Let's have a look at events this week.
00:28:27.000You now know that I've been demonetized on YouTube.
00:28:30.000You're fully well aware that the government wrote to social media platforms to demand that I be further censored.
00:28:55.000Today, of course, we're talking about events of the last week, but in particular, the collusion between big tech and government and an apparent concerted effort by legacy media and now the state and big tech to silence independent media voices.
00:29:10.000Obviously, it's difficult for me to be entirely objective given the events of the last week, but that is what we must try to do.
00:29:16.000And thankfully, we have some incredible reporting from the grey zone and elsewhere.
00:29:20.000As well as being able to introduce you to the concept of the Trusted News Initiative, this is a long-standing agreement between global legacy media organizations to cooperate with one another, to corroborate one another, in order to shut down what they believe to be their true enemy, independent media voices.
00:29:43.000Or do you think that there is something bigger at stake?
00:29:47.000Something of incredible ideological significance?
00:29:50.000What do you think is the relationship between the media and the state?
00:29:54.000Do you think, looking back at the last couple of years, in particular the pandemic and the current war, that there has been support from the media when it comes to government policy and a lack of accountability and questioning When it comes to very important and significant questions.
00:30:09.000Do you think that the legacy media has been investigating the causes of this war, the origins of this war, with the kind of vigour that you might have seen elsewhere?
00:30:18.000Do you think that the legacy media has been investigating Big Pharma, the imperatives, incentives, financial undergirding of Big Pharma in the way that they have investigated other matters?
00:30:31.000Because it seems to me more important now than ever before that we have to analyse Review and understand exactly what's happening literally on a global scale between the mainstream media, the state and big tech.
00:30:44.000The author of letters to social media companies demanding the financial punishment of Russell Brand is a British lawmaker implicated in London's war on COVID-19 and Ukraine dissenters.
00:30:54.000Her husband was a commander in the army's PSYOPS division.
00:30:57.000The Grey Zone can now reveal that YouTube's financial censorship of Russell Brand is the result of an effort waged by a former British government minister who was responsible for London's crackdown on dissent during the Covid-19 pandemic.
00:31:09.000Her husband has also participated in that campaign of state repression as deputy commander of the 77th Brigade, the British Army's psychological warfare division.
00:31:17.000New developments suggest YouTube's censorship of Brand was driven by direct British government decree.
00:31:23.000On September the 19th, the social media companies TikTok and Rumble received a pair of almost identical letters dispatched from Caroline Dynadge, the head of the UK Parliament's Culture, Media and Sports Committee.
00:31:35.000Dynadge informed the companies she was concerned that Brand may be able to profit from his content published on both platforms.
00:31:42.000She then suggested they impose financial penalties.
00:31:45.000In a sense, the bypass of judicial process right to punitive measures, financial ones, seems like an interesting stance for a government minister to be suggesting to a big tech platform.
00:31:57.000The committee's letter to Rumble contained a direct demand for demonetization.
00:32:01.000We would like to know whether Rumble intends to join YouTube in suspending Mr. Brown's ability to earn money on the platform.
00:32:07.000In a withering response to Dianigi's letter, Rumble CEO Chris Pavlosky asserted that Rumble emphatically rejects the UK Parliament's demands.
00:32:15.000This is, of course, why we are fortunate to be on Rumble.
00:32:19.000Please consider supporting us so that we can continue with our organisation.
00:32:23.000I'm beginning to think that our organisation is having an impact due to recent events.
00:32:27.000The CEO continued, We regard it as deeply inappropriate and dangerous that the UK Parliament would attempt to control who is allowed to speak on our platform or earn a living from doing so.
00:32:36.000Caroline Dainich served as the UK Government's Digital and Culture Minister from February 2020 to September 2021, making her de facto chief of the Department for Culture, Media and Sports, DCMS.
00:32:47.000In this capacity, she was personally responsible for overseeing construction of the repressive World Economic Forum-endorsed online safety bill, which has been criticised by rights groups for threatening the rights to free expression and privacy.
00:33:01.000For her leading role in crafting the bill, Dynage was honoured by the Princess Royal with the title of Dame Commander of the British Empire.
00:33:07.000Moreover, during this period, the DCMS was home to the shadowy, intelligence-official-run Counter Disinformation Unit, which policed Covid-19 disinformation narratives online.
00:33:17.000Investigations by the civil liberties organisation Big Brother Watch has revealed that instead of suppressing content that posed
00:33:22.000risks to public health, the CDU was preoccupied with censoring and deplatforming reasonable
00:33:28.000online criticisms of the British government's Covid-19 response, including opposition to
00:33:35.000What we appear to be looking at here are a set of collaborating institutions that have
00:33:40.000an agenda and then pursue that agenda, even when in pursuing it they have to bypass, repress,
00:33:46.000obstruct or absolutely ignore existing judicial or regulatory bodies and protocols by moving
00:33:53.000straight to punitive measures, by bypassing judicial systems.
00:33:57.000In particular, in the event of COVID, of course, repressing true information, preventing healthy online debate.
00:34:03.000It's plain that there were narratives that were repressed during the COVID pandemic.
00:34:07.000It's plain during the ongoing Ukraine-Russia conflict that, well, for example, Russia Today are not allowed to be on most social media sites.
00:34:15.000Rumble continue to host Russia Today so that people are able to discern from themselves propaganda from truth.
00:34:21.000This, I feel, is an important component in any democracy.
00:34:25.000According to an official fact sheet, the CDU's focus turned to the Ukraine war in 2022.
00:34:29.000Doesn't it seem odd to you that you can move from a health pandemic to a war?
00:34:34.000Aren't they quite distinct, compartmentalised issues?
00:34:37.000Doesn't it seem, therefore, that the real issue is not the subject themselves, a pandemic and how to handle that sensibly, or a war and how to handle that judiciously and correctly, but Dissent itself.
00:34:49.000The ability to oppose existing narratives.
00:34:52.000The ability to begin to organise communities against establishment narratives and preferred systemic outcomes is being closed down, I would suggest, on the basis of this, rather aggressively.
00:35:05.000Dionysius' husband, Mark Lancaster, helped lead London's Blitz on pandemic dissent as Deputy Commander of the British Army's 77th Brigade between June 2018 and July 2022.
00:35:15.000Specialised in behaviour and attitudinal change, which in itself seems like a strange military unit.
00:35:22.000What are we going to do about behaviour and attitudes?
00:35:24.000Mind your own business and focus on just wars?
00:35:28.000The 77th Brigade maintains a vast militia of real, fake and automated social media accounts to disseminate and amplify pro-state messaging and discredit domestic and foreign enemies.
00:35:37.000During the pandemic, the 77th Brigade targeted people within Britain and across the West with advanced psychological manipulation strategies honed on battlefields against enemy militaries.
00:35:47.000It seems that, in the absence of an external enemy, the domestic population becomes the enemy.
00:35:53.000And any ability to organise and communicate with the domestic population in order that they act on behalf of their own interests has to be silenced and shut down using whatever techniques are necessary and possible.
00:36:05.000It's only a short while since the pandemic ended and who knows, maybe the pandemic will begin again.
00:36:10.000But we now know that at the beginning of the pandemic, theories and ideas were being discussed at the very highest level that were dismissed publicly.
00:36:17.000We now know that experts with legitimate voices, valid views, clinical trials, significant
00:36:24.000information were silenced not because of your safety or my safety, but precisely because
00:36:42.000The online profile of a 77th Brigade veteran notes that they were deployed straight from
00:36:46.000a tour of the Middle East where they successfully implemented behavioural change strategies
00:36:50.000against ISIS, to countering disinformation and misinformation during the Covid-19 crisis.
00:36:56.000Doesn't it seem odd that ISIS and the COVID-19 crisis were handled by the same unit, were treated in the same way, when ISIS were the most overt, explicit, amplified enemy and threat that the world had ever faced at that time?
00:37:10.000And doesn't it seem to you as well, a coincidence worth noting, that at the commencement of the COVID-19 pandemic, the problem of ISIS just appeared to disintegrate entirely?
00:37:17.000I'm not suggesting any conspiratorial reason for this, I'm sure there are military, strategic, geopolitical, ideological and philosophical reasons for this.
00:37:25.000But the very fact that the same unit that was used to confront and counter ISIS is used to confront and counter you strikes me as worthy of consideration and contemplation.
00:37:37.000However, in January, an ex-brigade whistleblower revealed how the Ministry of Defence and RRU routinely circumvented British law to advance the government's crusade against pandemic dissent.
00:37:47.000It appears there are financial ties between Google and the person that wrote that letter.
00:37:52.000It's worth noting too that Google is a competitor to Rumble, a significant competitor, a near monopolist.
00:37:57.000How do media organisations cooperate with one another when it comes to present in a news narrative?
00:38:03.000You will remember perhaps in particular the Joe Rogan horse medicine moment.
00:38:07.000You will recall how you saw a spate of comparable headlines from around the world using the same wording.
00:38:13.000You will perhaps recall that you never once heard Hold on a second.
00:38:16.000This is a Nobel Prize winning medicine, the inventor of which officially has a statue outside of medical organizations.
00:38:22.000A revered and significant medicine was simultaneously referred to as horse paste around the world.
00:38:28.000How does the media operate in coordination and lockstep to present a narrative that appears to be impenetrable, so immersive and absolute that it simply must be true?
00:38:38.000Well, apparently there's an organization called the Trusted News Initiative.
00:38:41.000We've said many times on our channel that when you have a word like trusted in the name of an organisation, it's worth questioning whether or not you can trust them.
00:38:49.000Let's find out what the Trusted News Initiative is.
00:38:51.000In short, I can tell you that it's a collaboration between legacy media and big tech sites in In order to prevent independent media voices communicating, how effective could that be?
00:39:01.000Is it possible to shut down independent media?
00:39:06.000Surely the BBC and CNN and the New York Times and various other organisations, online ones like Facebook, would have a vested interest in competing with one another.
00:39:16.000In January, the Chairman of the Children's Health Defence, Robert Kennedy, and other plaintiffs filed a lawsuit against the Trusted News Initiative, alleging antitrust and First Amendment violations.
00:39:27.000Trusted News Initiative, launched in March 2020, is a coalition of some of the world's largest news organisations, including the Associated Press, the BBC, the Washington Post, and Reuters, who partnered with Big Tech with the aim of stopping the spread of misinformation.
00:39:41.000It's just a couple of weeks to stop the spread.
00:39:43.000Kennedy, CHD and several other organisations, journalists and individuals filed a lawsuit that these legacy news organisations partnered with big tech to collectively censor online news about COVID-19 and the 2020 presidential election that did not align with the official narratives.
00:39:58.000The result was a significant loss in visibility and revenue.
00:40:02.000It appears that apparently independent, or at least separate, news organizations are collaborating, and I hesitate to use this word, conspiring, to control global news narratives in some of the most important stories in the world.
00:40:16.000Well, let's explain to you that their intention, it appears, and this is explicit, and we have a quote that undergirds this claim, the explicit intention is to shut down independent media voices.
00:40:26.000The lawsuit notes that there are two categories of TNI members, legacy news organizations and big tech platforms.
00:40:33.000You will remember that there was a time where on certain platforms, for example, YouTube, where we are now significantly demonetized, you used to have the sense that independent news organizations could flourish, could burgeon, could come up, could establish an audience precisely because they would report in a different way to the mainstream news media.
00:40:51.000Over time, it's become clear that whether it's on the left or the right, when it comes to significant issues, Mainstream media and legacy media organizations report in the same way.
00:41:00.000I'm talking, for example, about the pandemic or about war.
00:41:20.000And is there any paper trail for how that happened and why that would happen?
00:41:24.000The TNI exists to, in its own words, choke off and stamp out online news reporting that the Trusted News Initiative, or any of its members, preemptorily deems misinformation.
00:41:36.000The lawsuit states, choke off and stamp out independent news voices.
00:41:40.000Let me know what you think in the comments.
00:41:42.000TNI members have targeted and suppressed completely accurate online reporting by non-mainstream news publishers concerning both COVID-19 on matters including treatment, immunity, lab leak, vaccine jury, and lockdowns and lockdown mandates, and US elections, such as the Hunter Biden laptop story.
00:41:59.000It adds, by their own admission, members of the TNI have agreed to work together, and have in fact worked together, to exclude from the world's dominant internet platforms rival news publishers who engage in reporting that challenges and competes with TNI members reporting on certain issues relating to COVID-19 and US politics.
00:42:17.000My objectivity has been strongly challenged over recent weeks, but I recognise that I am an insignificant individual in the scheme of things.
00:42:24.000What is incredibly important is independent media.
00:42:27.000What is incredibly important is the ability to hold the establishment to account.
00:42:32.000What is incredibly important is that you have independent media that doesn't just accept government narratives, but investigates, challenges mainstream legacy media narratives and government narratives.
00:42:42.000For example, a group like the Grey Zone.
00:42:44.000It doesn't even matter where politically they might lie, on the left or the right.
00:42:48.000This is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
00:42:50.000Because what we are seeing is the rise of centralisation and authoritarianism.
00:42:55.000A desire to censor, to surveil, to control, to shut down dissent and to deprive people of the option of meaningful political alternatives.
00:43:03.000What we are being given is a homogenised media space that literally has an accord To agree with one another and to defy, shut down, oppress, choke out, stamp on independent media voices.
00:43:17.000Well, one might imagine it's because they are in absolute alignment with centralist state and globalist elite dictates and they simply don't want opposing voices out there.
00:43:27.000Because if there are opposing voices out there, then we have an alternative.
00:43:32.000We have the ability to oppose their agenda.
00:43:34.000Once independent voices are stamped out, then all you have are legacy media outlets who already agree with one another and already agree with the corporatist state.
00:43:44.000That means there will be no opposition.
00:43:47.000While the Trusted News Initiative publicly purports to be a self-appointed truth police, and that's not really the way to appoint police, is it?
00:44:33.000You can't have a media that is in lockstep with itself, immersively attacking on subjects like the war, COVID-19 and how to handle it, and a host of other issues.
00:44:42.000Here we have the evidence that the mainstream media is working together to support a state agenda.
00:45:35.000That's the real competition now in the digital media world.
00:45:38.000Of course organisations will always compete against one another for audiences, but the existential threat, I think, is that overall breakdown in trust, so that trusted news organisations lose in the long term if audiences just abandon the idea of a relationship of trust with news organisations.
00:45:54.000And what is happening with trust in mainstream media organisations?
00:45:58.000Well, nearly 60% of people see mainstream media as a threat to democracy, according to one poll.
00:46:03.000The UK's got the second lowest levels of trust in the press in a survey of 24 countries, only Egypt having less trust.
00:46:10.000America's trust in media remains at a new record low.
00:46:14.000And trust in media is so low that half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them.
00:46:21.000So if you're in America, you're already accustomed to the idea that the mainstream media deliberately misleads you.
00:46:27.000Because they want to destroy independent media, because they are in alliance with centralist state and corporatist imperatives, and because they do not want dissenting and opposing voices.
00:46:35.000And remember we showed you earlier, when it comes to the intelligence and psyops component of this, it doesn't matter whether you're a foreign combatant in the Middle East, specifically ISIS, Or someone that has questions about Covid-19.
00:46:47.000You are regarded as an enemy of the centralist state and corporate media narrative and you have to be shut down.
00:46:53.000The spokesman for the Trusted News Initiative continued, So actually we've got a lot more to hold us together than
00:46:58.000we have to work in competition with one another. Plaintiffs are online news publishers who
00:47:03.000as a result of the TNI's group boycott have been censored, demonetized, demoted, throttled,
00:47:09.000shadow banned and or excluded entirely from platforms like Facebook, YouTube,
00:47:23.000i.e. the voices of dissent about election information and Covid information,
00:47:27.000has a need to preserve the trust of the people and upgrade the trust.
00:47:30.000By censoring independent voices, what they're doing is economic suppression.
00:47:34.000Antitrust is against trusts, is against monopolies.
00:47:38.000And what the TNI has done is essentially create a global media monopoly in the English language.
00:47:43.000Plainly, this is a story that is much bigger than me.
00:47:46.000Plainly, the Trusted News Initiative has an agenda, an explicit agenda, to throttle and choke independent media.
00:47:53.000Plainly, the government are reaching out to ask big tech platforms
00:47:56.000to suppress the voices of content creators from independent media outlets,
00:48:01.000particularly those that are dissenting.
00:48:03.000And as you have seen, many of those media organizations have been willing to comply.
00:48:08.000It seems to me highly possible and likely that legacy media organizations
00:48:13.000and big tech platforms are collaborating in a variety of ways.
00:48:16.000Look at the reporting on geopolitical conflicts.
00:48:19.000Look at the ability of the military-industrial complex to apparently control those narratives and shut down dissent and direct public funds.
00:48:25.000Look at what happened in the pandemic period and how difficult it was to have true information and legitimate experts able to present their views.
00:48:32.000Plainly, there is something happening.
00:48:34.000We can see the legislation for it in all of the Five Eyes countries.
00:48:37.000We can see that the Trusted News Initiative is a cartel of groups with a clear agenda.
00:48:43.000They are not competing with one another.
00:48:44.000They are competing with independent media voices.
00:48:47.000And that's not because the independent media voices themselves are important.
00:48:53.000What is truly important is the ability for dissent, your dissent, to be expressed.
00:48:58.000The ability for those of us that disagree with this system, that disagree with centralised authoritarianism, to have the ability to communicate with one another, to have the ability to discuss these topics, to have the ability to oppose an agenda that seems to me to be about closing down individual freedom, closing down democracy, Centralizing power.
00:49:20.000Advancing surveillance and censorship.
00:49:22.000No matter what crisis, the outcome is always the same.
00:49:25.000We have to shut down dissent invoices.
00:49:27.000And when you have PSYOP organizations that treat people that have questions about a health issue the same way that they would treat terrorists, then I think it's time to look at the way that information is being reported and the way that information is being conveyed.
00:49:59.000Obviously, I now, in particular, I have a new experience on the way that the media and the state can cooperate and corroborate one another's narratives and stories.
00:50:13.000I'm beginning to sense that if you publicly question important stories that are agenda led,
00:50:20.000like for example, the war in Ukraine or the response to the COVID pandemic,
00:50:24.000that it appears that there is some significant heft behind controlling those narrative spaces
00:50:29.000and preventing them from being overtly challenged.
00:50:34.000Can you tell me what your personal experience is around censorship and whether or not you ever personally
00:50:41.000feel there is an attempt to close down independent media voices?
00:50:49.000I experience it every day with YouTube demonetizing videos for no reason.
00:50:55.000The first time it happened, they took down, I think, three or maybe five of my videos in 2021.
00:51:03.000Because I was doing videos that talked about the efficacy of the vaccine and I stated that it didn't stop transmission or contraction of the virus which we all know now and at that time I had kind of pieced it together myself and I had on Dr. Robert Malone who explained how that worked to me and then I got censored by YouTube for that and when I asked what was the censorship for and why did you take down these five videos and they said it was because I gave misinformation saying the vaccine didn't stop transmission.
00:51:34.000And when I showed them, well, the FDA says they don't know if it stops transmission, that they hope it does.
00:51:41.000And so their response to that was, oh, no, no, we made a mistake.
00:51:44.000It's because you said it doesn't stop contraction.
00:51:52.000Well, they gave me a warning, which is the first step to giving you a strike.
00:51:55.000And so I've had that happen and every day now the demonetization of videos have been ramped up.
00:52:01.000The most recent ridiculous one was I did a video about Justin Trudeau being protested by Canadians over how he treated the truckers over the vaccine and over their protests.
00:52:16.000I did a video just showing people protesting him and they demonetized it and the reason they gave was that it was targeted harassment So somehow I'm not allowed to show people protesting the leader of Canada, the most powerful person in all of Canada, because I'm harassing him.
00:52:34.000So they're protecting the powerful and they're censoring the powerless.
00:52:39.000The people speaking to the power, they're censoring them.
00:52:45.000It seems extraordinary that an organisation like Pfizer is able to assert as much power and control over the legacy media as it currently does.
00:52:56.000It seems extraordinary that we have social spectacles like the Empire State Building being lit up as a Pfizer vaccine jab.
00:53:08.000It's extraordinary that the ability for even relatively small independent media organisations Like ours, to inquire appears to be met with such hostility.
00:53:21.000And it also appears that regardless of the subject, whether or not it's war or pandemic response, the same PSYOP units, I'm speaking in particular in the UK, the same PSYOP unit moved effortlessly from responding to ISIS, to responding to what it called COVID disinformation, to responding to dissent around the war.
00:53:43.000It's difficult to not start to appreciate that the population, the public, the citizenry are actually the enemies of the state and their corporate allies.
00:53:54.000This is becoming clearer and clearer and it seems to me extraordinary that we've arrived at this point where free speech and ordinary protocols of justice are being bypassed.
00:54:05.000How have we gotten here Jimmy and what dangers does it pose in the coming years?
00:54:11.000Well, we've gotten here because they have to control the narrative.
00:54:14.000Before, it was easier for them to control the narrative because they held all the strings to the media.
00:54:19.000So now that we have media, social media, and things like YouTube, Rumble, that we can actually get our message out to question authority, that's what's dangerous for them.
00:54:30.000And so they have to control the narrative.
00:54:31.000They have to censor things that are detrimental to the establishment.
00:54:35.000Because if they can't do that, then they have to start disappearing people.
00:54:38.000And that's a little harder, and it's a little more risky.
00:55:45.000You know, there's that movie Network, I don't know if you're familiar with it, but in the movie, Ned Beatty says there are no countries anymore, there are only companies and the international transfer of dollars.
00:55:56.000And so people like us, we upset that balance, that international transfer of dollars, because the truth might get to the taxpayers, might get to the people, and there might be a revolution.
00:56:07.000Now, in the United States, during the Great Depression, FDR The only reason he gave people Social Security, the only reason he gave people a jobs program, was because the establishment, the ruling capitalists, were afraid of an actual revolution.
00:56:24.000And so FDR told the wealthy, from the class that he came from, he said that if you don't give them some of your money, they're going to come and take all of your money.
00:56:35.000And so that's the only thing that scares them is an actual revolution, which is what I think we need right now in the United States or in the West, for sure, because we are controlled by a handful of billionaires.
00:56:46.000Right now, in the United States, we have people living under every bridge.
00:57:14.000They've concocted this Ukraine war narrative so they can do a money laundering operation, which is now called the Ukraine war, which they provoked so they can start their money laundering operation to give it to their donors.
00:57:28.000This is all about the donor class running our Congress and our presidency, at least in the United States, the donor class does, which is why they're also criminalizing Donald Trump.
00:57:38.000Because they've demonized Donald Trump as a white supremacist.
00:57:41.000That's what the establishment flexes now.
00:57:43.000First they call you a sexist, then they call you a misogynist, then they call you a white supremacist.
00:57:48.000And they've done this to Donald Trump.
00:57:50.000And now it's harder to sell wars with someone you've demonized as a white supremacist.
00:57:55.000So now he's no longer useful to the establishment.
00:57:59.000So that's why they have to discredit him and criminalize his organization.
00:58:13.000So the same jury that used a thing called the RICO laws.
00:58:17.000RICO laws were invented in the United States specifically to go after the mafia.
00:58:22.000They're now using it to go after their political opponents.
00:58:25.000Whether it be Donald Trump or whether it be protesters to get the expansion of the police state in the United States and people pretend they don't see those two things.
00:58:33.000You don't have to like Donald Trump to be worried about this.
00:58:38.000I never voted for Donald Trump, but I can see it's just like that old saying when they came for the Jews.
00:58:43.000I didn't say anything because I wasn't.
00:58:44.000When they came for the trade unionists, I didn't say anything.
00:58:47.000But when they came for me, there was nobody left to say anything.
00:58:50.000And that's why it's important we stand up now and say something about the criminalization of the politics and the political opponents of the establishment.
00:58:59.000That's what we're seeing left and right, whether about COVID, whether about the truckers, whether it be about climate change and the way they're using our fear of climate change to control us, manipulate us, and get us to hate each other.
00:59:12.000And that's another thing that the establishment corporate news does in the United States, is they report everything.
00:59:17.000Every story in a way that turns the country against each other.
00:59:22.000I'm supposed to blame right now, the establishment wants me to.
00:59:26.000They did a controlled demolition of our economy during COVID that wrecked everybody except a handful of millionaires and billionaires at the top.
00:59:34.000And they want me to hate my neighbor and blame my neighbor for the pain I'm feeling because they wouldn't take a vaccine that didn't work the way they said it did in the first place.
00:59:43.000Well, I'm not going to hate my neighbor because they're suffering just like everybody else is under the same garbage from the oligarchy, and I'm going to join with them to oppose them.
00:59:52.000And it's so bad in the United States that they won't even give money to those victims in Maui right now.
01:00:44.000This criminalisation of opposition in all its forms, whether that's at the level of the individual in order to facilitate censorship, whether it's to legitimise more surveillance, whether it's to create more and more opposition between communities that might otherwise be united, appears to be a technique and a tactic that is plainly on the rise.
01:01:06.000When you talk about revolution like that, and when you describe the conditions in your country, and it's not that different in our country, Jimmy, to tell you the truth, It seems that what you're describing are the perfect conditions for revolution.
01:01:18.000Disenfranchisement, disenchantment, attacks on not only humanity itself, but almost the essence of humanity.
01:01:25.000Values like kindness, compassion, unity, forgiveness, redemption, justice.
01:01:30.000The institutions themselves are becoming an anathema to our highest creeds, our highest values.
01:01:39.000I would say the apotheosis of humanity is our ability to cultivate and create cultures around compassion and kindness and unity and fairness and justice.
01:01:49.000And it seems that these models, these modes, are being broken down.
01:01:54.000When you describe a figure like Trump being criminalised in the way that he evidently and plainly has, vilified to the point where there are certain people who can't even hear his name without it like being a dark bell rung in their hearts, it shows us that we're at a point of almost ubiquitous fracture.
01:02:12.000I wonder, Jimmy, how you see the role of independent media relating to new independent political movements And even if those political movements are currently within, in your country, the main parties, I'm talking specifically, I suppose, about Bobby Kennedy, who's emerging out of this pandemic and war period as an authentic voice.
01:02:34.000And in spite of his surname and the obvious fact that That means to a degree he's a legacy politician.
01:02:45.000He's the first political figure, perhaps other than Trump, with Trump's relationship with Twitter, who's been able to gain access to an audience without having to move through the legacy media gatekeepers who seem hell-bent on preventing oppositional voices from uniting and from being amplified.
01:03:04.000When you talk about revolution, obviously it seems in 2023 with a militarized police force, with a surveillance state, with anti-protest laws, with the ability, increasing ability, of governments to switch off money supply, to shut off your tech, to shut off your ability to communicate, that the type of revolution that we're discussing would have to have a very different flavor and would perhaps have to coalesce around political figures that are Willing to carry that burden?
01:03:33.000Do you think it is a revolution that requires leaders?
01:03:36.000Do you think it is a revolution that's happening at the level of the nation?
01:03:39.000Do you think it's a revolution that by its nature has to include a significant portion of the population?
01:03:45.000And if so, what do you think is going to be the significance of relationships between independent media, particularly if independent media is under attack, and independent political voices?
01:03:56.000How are these new nexuses, or nexi, Well, I do.
01:04:05.000I think Bobby Kennedy, his almost entire campaign is being run in alternative independent media.
01:04:11.000He's going around the mainstream news media, and he's going directly to the people, he's going through podcasts.
01:04:16.000And so, of course, they have to demonize those podcasts.
01:04:19.000I just saw the governor of California, Gavin Newsom, said he's worried because his son is listening to Joe Rogan.
01:04:36.000And the establishment, this idea that the corporate news and the government officials put forward that somehow we're at risk in peril by independent media spreading misinformation.
01:04:48.000Well, I'm here to tell you, we all know that the The number one spreader of misinformation and lies is the government.
01:04:59.000And so this idea that we have to worry about independent citizens having an opinion and sharing it on social media, that that's the problem, again, is misdirection.
01:05:09.000It's having us turn on each other instead of turning on the powerful.
01:05:13.000And so we have to keep our eye on the ball.
01:05:15.000And what happened is so So I remember when Christian Smalls, if you don't know who that is, he started the Amazon Union on Staten Island in New York City.
01:05:26.000And he was a black guy who got fired by Amazon at the beginning of COVID.
01:05:29.000And he stood out there and he organized those workers against him.
01:05:33.000That's why they stress identity politics.
01:05:35.000Let's remember what identity politics is.
01:05:38.000That's who's working at that Amazon fulfillment center.
01:06:06.000You know what I say, if it was 1860, the Democrats wouldn't be fixing slavery, they'd be bragging about their first transgendered slave owner.
01:06:14.000So this is real and that's a joke but it's also very serious because they want us to identify as individuals and they don't want us to identify along class lines because that is the only thing that scares people.
01:06:27.000People from the left and the right and the center coming together to realize we have a common interest and a common enemy.
01:06:33.000That's the only thing that could scare them and that's the only thing that will do anything to them and that's why it was so important that they demonize the truckers in Canada.
01:06:42.000They had to call them white supremacists.
01:06:59.000But in the United States, our corporate media so propagandizes us.
01:07:03.000That we can't tell the difference between a freedom fighter and a Nazi.
01:07:06.000We look at the truckers and we call them Nazis and we look at the Nazis in Ukraine and we call them freedom fighters.
01:07:12.000That is the upside down backwards world we have us living in right now.
01:07:16.000It's actually literally Orwellian where the meaning of words is being altered, where the ability to communicate is being shut down, where a kind of existential Crisis is being induced so that people don't feel free to communicate, don't feel safe to have opinions, don't feel safe to knock the edges off between the obvious differences between people that we can find common ground together.
01:07:43.000Your example of Christian Smalls I think is apposite because what he created and what he participated in was significant because by bypassing the assumed division that the top-down elite model would impose, you're able to actually gain some traction.
01:08:00.000You're actually able to locate some power Where ordinarily there is just a kind of existential despair.
01:08:07.000If you're working at an Amazon site, whether it's in the UK, Tilbury, where I'm from, or whether it's in Staten Island, presumably nearer to where you're from, it doesn't matter.
01:08:17.000You're suffering under the same conditions.
01:08:20.000I suppose one of the things we have to face is that the models of the last century are starting to become defunct.
01:08:28.000Models that emerged out of industry, like socialist movements that emerged out of industry, in particular union movements, do not seem to be able, other than in the example that you've just given, to operate at scale in a way that's meaningful, particularly not when confronted with a kind of centralist behemoth of this nature.
01:08:50.000I suppose we live in Unprecedented times of scale.
01:08:54.000There was never before the ability to have the kind of globalism that we currently have, where there are unelected bureaucratic bodies, whether that's NATO or the WHO, that have a level of power that's unimaginable.
01:09:07.000That alloyed to the kind of ability to communicate and control the big tech platforms have, mean that The ability to organise and confront of ordinary people has to radically alter.
01:09:21.000The rhetoric that you and I engage in, and I'm complimenting you now Jimmy, you convey this
01:09:26.000stuff so beautifully, so passionately, so articulately, and so clearly, is plainly a
01:09:31.000valuable weapon. But I wonder how we escalate beyond this point of communication to the point
01:09:57.000Ignore the impact of large, centralised organisations on the problem.
01:10:02.000For example, if you take climate change, which of course I'm entirely sympathetic towards, it's just I know that whenever solutions are offered, they're usually solutions that are punitive to ordinary people, rather than solutions that may impact the profit of powerful organisations, or impact the business model, even, of powerful organisations.
01:10:22.000It seems, I suppose, God, what I'm starting to realise, even as I'm talking to you, is that the role we have is about providing cartilage and connection and hope.
01:10:30.000Without some kind of hope, it becomes impossible to even conceive of moving forwards.
01:10:36.000Jim, I've got a whole bunch of things that we can run through, like currently Zelensky is in DC requesting $24 billion.
01:10:43.000And this is, again, Off the agenda, particularly among progressive Democrats, isn't any kind of argument for peace advocacy.
01:10:53.000In fact, peace is being regarded as the problem rather than war.
01:11:01.000So, they just had a climate march in New York City when I was there.
01:11:06.000I think they said 25,000 people showed up to it.
01:11:09.000Now, what they had was a bunch of, quote-unquote, progressive Democrats speaking there.
01:11:15.000And so, they're supposed to be opposing climate change and fossil fuels, while, of course, the Democratic Party is opening up Alaska to drilling, and they blew up the Nord Stream pipeline, which is the biggest.
01:11:26.000So, Joe Biden and the Democrats are the biggest eco-terrorists in the world.
01:11:30.000This idea that they're actually fighting climate change is garbage.
01:11:35.000What they're using is our fear of climate change to control us, right?
01:11:40.000And so they also are demonizing communism, right?
01:11:43.000So a lot of people in the United States anyway, the new meme is to equate what happened during COVID with the Democrats, the left, and communism.
01:11:55.000So I have to explain to those people, this wasn't communism.
01:11:58.000This is called capitalism and the corporate capture of our government.
01:12:08.000This is done to us by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times and the bought media and the bought government politicians.
01:12:19.000So this idea that it's communism is wrong.
01:12:22.000The other idea that Somehow those Democrats who are fighting climate change are true is garbage because they all support the Ukraine war.
01:12:32.000Now here's a fact that might stun some people.
01:12:35.000The number one emitter of carbon dioxide in the world is the U.S.
01:12:40.000By far is the biggest emitter of carbon dioxide in the world.
01:12:44.000We have around a thousand military bases around the They just built three more new military bases in the Philippines, and they put one in Syria.
01:12:52.000They built a military base in another country that we are illegally occupying.
01:12:57.000And then, of course, there's the Ukraine war.
01:12:59.000And those Democrats who are out there purporting to be opposed to climate change and fossil fuels are supporting war 100%.
01:13:08.000And if those people were serious about fighting climate change, they would say, hey, maybe we need to shut down a couple hundred military bases.
01:13:16.000That would be the first place I would start.
01:13:18.000That's the last place they're starting.
01:13:20.000In fact, they're expanding the military.
01:13:51.000China and then Bill Gates through himself, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and Baidavi, which is a pro-vaccine organization that he also funded.
01:14:00.000So it's one billionaire, the richest guy in the world, is dictating policy on YouTube, Google, that surrounds everything from economics to healthcare to climate to everything.
01:14:13.000It's being A handful of billionaires are running the world right now.
01:14:16.000And people need to really wake up to it.
01:14:18.000And once they do, they will shut things down.
01:14:31.000Barack Obama took us from two wars to seven.
01:14:33.000Barack Obama kicked 5.1 million families, not people, 5.1 million families out of their homes During an economic crisis engineered by Wall Street while at the same time he made sure the Wall Street bankers got their bonuses.
01:14:46.000He built those cages Donald Trump put Hispanics in.
01:14:49.000He deported twice as many Hispanics as Donald Trump did.
01:14:52.000And he dropped more bombs than George Bush.
01:14:55.000Right now they're trying to put Donald Trump in prison as George Bush and Dick Cheney walk Free men after everyone knows they ordered a torture program.
01:15:04.000And Barack Obama was supposed to, he's constitutionally required to prosecute those people like Dick Cheney and George Bush for torturing people and ordering a torture program.
01:16:17.000And all they have to do is put terrorist at the end, and they can put you in jail indefinitely, lock you up, and silence you, and that is thanks to Barack Obama.
01:16:25.000And that's why the establishment loves Barack Obama, and that's why they hate everybody else who points that out.
01:16:30.000So I don't remember what the actual question was, but things are way worse than people actually think.
01:16:36.000It's extraordinary when heroes that the culture offers us are so entrenched within systemic corruption of a scale that's difficult to believe, even as you recite it, even though many of the things you relayed are facts I'm familiar with.
01:16:53.000Obviously, Obama's role in 2008 and the bailouts, but that habeas corpus, I was unaware of that.
01:17:00.000And Again, the conflation of opposition with terrorism is clearly one of the pieces required to build us towards a dystopia.
01:17:12.000And sometimes, Jimmy, doing what we do for a living, when you're reporting one minute on increasing surveillance, the next minute on increasing censorship, the next on money flooding towards a war that you describe as a money laundering organisation, The inability of democracy to function, the closing down of dissent in voices.
01:17:33.000It feels like an immersive experience.
01:17:36.000You can feel now how the militarization of the police, the banning of protest, you can see how the pieces are being laid out to create an inevitable corridor towards indefatigable tyranny, to the point where opposition becomes just Inconceivable.
01:17:53.000In addition to that, there are the kind of emotional and spiritual toll that it takes in diminishing the ability even to feel hope.
01:18:01.000A kind of culture that has very, very low values, that is not able to elevate the best of us, that is slowly excluding many of the principles that are required if you're to even participate in visionary politics.
01:18:16.000The idea that you might actually offer a real change.
01:18:20.000Now, we've touched again and again upon the Ukraine conflict and I know that you have something to explain to us about Stoltenberg and in particular NATO's invasion of Ukraine and how we arrived at this point that is very much at odds with how we broadly experience reporting on this conflict.
01:18:40.000Could you unpack that for us a little, Jimmy?
01:18:43.000Well, all I can tell people is that whenever you listen to the government or the corporate media talk about the Ukraine war, they always start the story three quarters of the way in.
01:18:55.000They never tell you the first three quarters of the story.
01:18:57.000They never tell you about, put it this way, Let's say I was standing on a corner and a bus was coming and there was an old lady standing in the street and she was just about to get hit by the bus and I pushed her out of the way.
01:19:10.000The corporate media would start the story, Jimmy Dore pushes old lady down on the sidewalk and that's where they would start that story.
01:19:17.000And so that's where they start the Ukraine war story.
01:19:20.000They don't tell you that there was a coup instituted by the CIA of Ukraine of their democratically elected government.
01:19:27.000And the CIA funded and got in bed with right-wing Nazis to overthrow a democratically elected government in Ukraine.
01:19:34.000And then when the Russian-speaking people who identify with Russian ethnically in the eastern part of Ukraine, called the Donbass, didn't want to go along with the couped government that the CIA set up with the Nazis, then they started shelling them and bombing those people.
01:20:36.000And they also leave out the point that there was already a peace agreement in March of 2022
01:20:42.000that was going to be signed, and they had to send Boris Johnson to Ukraine
01:20:47.000as the spokesperson for the West and NATO to kill that.
01:20:50.000And I don't know what he said exactly to Zelensky, but I can tell you what the Nazis and the leader Nazis in Ukraine have already told Zelensky, that if he does a peace deal, that they will hang him from a tree in town square.
01:21:01.000So that's what's going on with Zelensky.
01:21:08.000But he's going to find out that as soon as the West is done with him and he's no longer useful, they will probably coup him and then kill him, just like they did with Gaddafi and everybody else.
01:22:04.000He didn't realize that the President of the United States can't tell the truth about our foreign policy.
01:22:09.000Which is that we use our military might to invade smaller, more powerless countries and steal their natural resources, which is exactly what our foreign policy has been for the last 50 years.
01:22:52.000The people who were against the truckers, the people who were against protesters, they're the ones being anti-science.
01:22:58.000Today, today I saw an article that the Becerra, the head of the United States Human Health Services Department said that He got his vaccine because he doesn't want to infect his mother.
01:23:10.000Now we all know that that's just a lie.
01:23:30.000Jimmy, what you describe as the solution is immediate disobedience.
01:23:34.000It's impossible, really, to contemplate how we've found ourselves in this situation until you look at how the narrative is controlled on a global level.
01:23:43.000Here is a story about how Dr. Robert Epstein, capturing how Google manipulates elections, is a phrase that I'm going to use there somewhat carefully.
01:23:52.000It says that Google influences about 25% of elections throughout the world, including those in the United States.
01:23:58.000Over 70% of people in America get their news through Google and Facebook.
01:24:02.000Google controls the lives, online at least, of more than 5 billion people worldwide.
01:24:08.000Temporarily, I saw Jimmy Dore's world light up before being plunged once.
01:24:32.000It's plain that Google are able to at least direct narratives.
01:24:37.000How else would it be that we would tolerate just a handful of the things that you've outlined?
01:24:44.000Villainous politicians presented as heroes, corrupt corporations able to profit from crises,
01:24:48.000energy companies that are able to benefit from an energy crisis and increase their profits
01:24:53.000still while receiving subsidies, illegal wars carried out under the pretense of humanitarianism.
01:25:00.000All of these things can only occur if information is controlled.
01:25:05.000You've returned several times to the truckers precisely because they represent the opportunities that become apparent when people are willing to unite against a common cause.
01:25:17.000As you say, when disobedience and disruption are presented, new possibilities occur.
01:25:24.000If the system prohibits the possibility for democratic change, then of course organisation out of the system becomes absolutely necessary.
01:25:33.000One of the defining moments in the trucker protests, as well as their characterization unfairly and libelously as Nazis, was when people that were funding that protest had their funds shut down and stopped when GoFundMe rediverted those donations.
01:25:54.000What do you think is the likelihood that CBDCs, as well as new forms of identification and passports that perhaps could be inaugurated as health measures, will mean that ultimately each citizen finds themselves in a position where they can be financially controlled through digital currencies, that their movement can be controlled through passports initially issued as a health measure, What do you feel we ought to be doing when we're presenting these ideas as solutions in order to facilitate safety and convenience?
01:26:29.000So I didn't realize until I saw a speech by Bobby Kennedy at a Bitcoin convention, I didn't understand Any about digital currency and how dangerous it is.
01:26:41.000And so Bobby Kennedy talked about how we now live in a world where we can have any pointed to the truckers and how they turned off people's finances.
01:26:49.000And he talked about how we now have latchkey totalitarianism.
01:26:53.000And a good antidote to that is Bitcoin.
01:26:58.000And then it made me realize why the establishment demonizes Bitcoin so much.
01:27:03.000Because it's blockchain and they can't control it.
01:27:06.000And they can't turn off Bitcoin like they can turn off the CBD.
01:27:09.000So I went out and immediately I bought some Bitcoin, right?
01:27:15.000We gotta do everything we can to fight back, and that's how they're gonna control us.
01:27:20.000They control our wallets, they control our bank accounts.
01:27:25.000So now, if I can't control my bank account, I can't pay my electric bill, I can't pay my internet bill, and that means that I can't be on this show with you.
01:28:42.000Wait till you actually get upset about something that the government or the establishment is doing.
01:28:47.000That's when they turn anything you're doing into a crime.
01:28:50.000And as we've seen, look how they turned Donald Trump.
01:28:55.000Donald Trump says that the election was fraudulent.
01:28:59.000Well, they spent the first four years previous to that saying that Russia had overthrown our country.
01:29:03.000So it doesn't matter what you're doing.
01:29:05.000If they want to say you're a criminal, they'll make you a criminal.
01:29:09.000And if they have access to shutting down your finances, that's way easier for them.
01:29:14.000So again, if they can't If they couldn't turn off your finances, if they couldn't censor you, if they couldn't demonetize you and have people... Look at the gray zone, right?
01:29:23.000The gray zone does amazing, amazing investigative work that always is against the international security state.
01:29:31.000And they expose all kinds of crimes of the security state in the Western world.
01:29:48.000They wouldn't give them their money back that they actually raised.
01:29:51.000So this is how they're controlling us.
01:29:53.000And until it happens to them, I guess they won't understand it.
01:29:58.000But if it happens to people that they watch, maybe, or if it happens to people that they like, maybe they'll start to wake up.
01:30:05.000And you know, they would have done this to me.
01:30:06.000A lot of people wanted me to run for president, right?
01:30:10.000And this is before we knew Bobby Kennedy was running.
01:30:12.000People wanted me to run because they wanted me to give a voice to these kind of concerns that I'm talking about.
01:30:17.000And they like that I can speak to people on the left and the right, and I don't demonize my neighbor for the problems that the oligarchy is causing us.
01:30:25.000And I told them exactly what would have happened to me Is the exact same thing they did to Julian Assange, the exact thing they did to you, they would have done to me and they would have taken down my channel.
01:30:35.000So I knew all this and I knew I could be more effective right here doing this because they would have just disappeared me and people would have forgot about me and they would have discredited me.
01:30:45.000And so I'm going to hang on as long as I can, telling the truth and trying to bring people together.
01:30:51.000But what we really need is the people to embrace the truckers and people to embrace that form of protest, because that is the only thing that they will feel, and that's the only thing that can stop them, is if we shut down capitalism.
01:31:03.000Not that I'm against people having businesses or making money, but we have to do it across the board.
01:31:09.000And we have to put a hurt on them and it has to make them afraid.
01:31:12.000Right now we have to dismantle the corporate media and we have to dismantle the coal list.
01:31:19.000When they got rid of the campaign finance laws in the United States, which is what they did, now corporations can spend unlimited on elections and so they run the country outright now.
01:31:29.000Before it used to be they used to have to bribe somebody under the table.
01:31:32.000Just like the corporate news used to have to bring on somebody who would give you CIA talking points.
01:31:38.000Now they just bring the guy on from the CIA as if he's the guy who's supposed to be telling you the truth.
01:31:43.000They're supposed to be bringing on a guy telling you where the CIA guy is lying.
01:31:47.000What they do is they bring on the CIA guy to tell you as if he's telling the truth.
01:31:57.000And if they can get you to hate Donald Trump, a guy who didn't want to be president in the first place, a guy who, by the way, the establishment loved for decades.
01:32:05.000Everybody knew Donald Trump's name because they couldn't get his name out of their mouth.
01:32:09.000He was a special guest on late night talk shows.
01:32:11.000He was guest host on Saturday Night Live.
01:32:14.000They gave him his own network television show for 10 years where people from Hollywood would come and bend their knee and call him Mr. Trump and they gave him Emmy nominations.
01:32:22.000They all went to each other's weddings.
01:32:35.000What a fantastic Advocacy for revolution, for independent thought, for independent analysis, and as always, an incredible and inspiring way of just communicating.
01:32:48.000Jimmy, just to spend a bit of time with you really lifts my spirit at a time where I plainly need it and I can't tell you how grateful I am.
01:32:54.000to you for spending time on what looks like a vacation with me.
01:32:58.000Now Jimmy Dore may not be running for president just yet, but he is throughout October appearing at a number of comedy theaters with his fantastic show.
01:33:11.000You can go to jimmydore.com to see him in Indianapolis or in Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Boca Raton, San Diego, all over the place.
01:33:21.000Have a little look on Jimmy's website to go and see Jimmy live.
01:33:24.000If this is him when he's under surveillance, can you imagine Jimmy Dore when he is truly free?
01:33:29.000Jimmy, thank you so much for joining us.