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00:00:01.000Thanks for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand on Rumble.
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00:00:25.000We are going to be talking about the state and the legacy media's war on free speech, and in particular, how that has affected me this week.
00:00:32.000We've also got Jimmy Dore coming up on the show, and you know what Jimmy Dore will be advocating for.
00:00:37.000Revolution, mass disobedience, new alliances between ordinary people, putting aside the barriers and boundaries of left and right, that we can come together to oppose increasingly authoritarian centralised power.
00:00:50.000We're going to continue to do on this channel what we've always done.
00:00:59.000So the first story we're going to talk about is Stoltenberg acknowledging that Putin invaded Ukraine due to NATO infringement.
00:01:07.000A significant story because of course what we've mostly been schooled in is that Russia are a criminal nation led by a lunatic in Putin that unprovoked attacked Ukraine.
00:01:18.000As we always say, the Ukrainian people should be utmost in our thoughts and the humanitarian imperatives that the world claims are what's driving this war ought be what's driving a move towards peace.
00:01:31.000But as you know, the military-industrial complex are significantly invested in what some people, Jimmy Dore notably, regard as a money laundering operation.
00:01:41.000Let's have a look at Stoltenberg acknowledging the simple truth that Putin was provoked.
00:01:47.000President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021 and he actually sent a draft treaty that he wanted NATO to sign to promise no more NATO enlargement.
00:02:11.000He wanted us to sign a promise never to enlarge NATO.
00:02:15.000He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe.
00:02:25.000We should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance.
00:02:30.000Introducing some kind of E and B, a second class membership.
00:03:02.000We are plainly in a position where your direct support is going to be incredibly valuable to us.
00:03:08.000Now, what we've just heard there described is the reasons that Putin went to war with Ukraine.
00:03:14.000Let's get into this story a little more deeply.
00:03:17.000Jesse Stoltenberg asserted today that weakening Russia in Ukraine could allow the United States to intensify its efforts in countering China.
00:03:24.000Stoltenberg and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Mark Milley believe the war in Ukraine will continue for years if Kiev is to achieve its military goals.
00:03:33.000Stoltenberg said we must prepare ourselves for a long war in Ukraine.
00:03:38.000Who would benefit from a long war in Ukraine?
00:03:40.000Would it be the Ukrainian people or would it be the military-industrial complex?
00:03:44.000Why don't you let us know in the chat what you think?
00:03:45.000President Biden met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday and announced the new tranche of US military aid for Ukraine that includes more cluster bombs which are notorious for killing and maiming civilians.
00:03:59.000It seems that there's an absolute amorality when it comes to the approach of this war, when it comes to telling stories about this war, when it comes to dissenting against this war, when it comes to advocating for peace, when it comes to looking at what conditions may have led to this war.
00:04:14.000In a minute, we're going to have our presentation.
00:04:17.000No, here's the effing news, where I'm going to be talking about how the state, legacy media and big tech cooperate with one another in order to control narratives that are plainly against the interests of ordinary people, how they prevent us from becoming united around topics as diverse as the pandemic, and indeed this ongoing conflict, and also how the same PsyOps units that used to be engaged in opposition against ISIS are now
00:04:43.000being deployed against domestic populations. We'll be talking about that in a matter of
00:04:48.000moments. Also, we'll be talking to Jimmy Dore. But I think it's important that we cover these
00:04:53.000vital issues that appear to have considerable opposition from the mainstream legacy media.
00:04:59.000We're talking about what we've always talked about. Big Pharma and their ability to assert
00:05:04.000and exert power over political process.
00:05:07.000The military-industrial complex that seem to be able to control foreign policy, to generate, create war, and then find convenient excuses for why that war might be taking place.
00:05:18.000Most of all, what we are advocating for is our shared collective voices and our ability to independently communicate with one another.
00:05:26.000For the possibility that we might create new systems together.
00:05:29.000If we don't have the ability to control currency, if we don't have the ability to create independent media, then we are slowly being corralled into a totalitarian space where nobody has any individual power.
00:05:42.000We already live in a globalist, corporatist condition where unelected bodies, whether that's NATO, no one voted for them, The WHO, no one voted for them, or the UN are in a position where they are able to impose policy on sovereign nations.
00:05:58.000Democracy is becoming meaningless and the only reason those stories are not being told is because legacy media are in lockstep with one another in order to prevent truthful, open and honest conversations happening that would allow us to form new alliances.
00:06:16.000Joining me now is Jimmy Dore, comedian, political commentator and host of the Jimmy Dore Show.
00:06:23.000Jimmy, thank you for joining me this week.
00:06:28.000Obviously, I now in particular, I have a new experience on the way that The media and the state can cooperate and corroborate one another's narratives and stories.
00:06:42.000I'm beginning to sense that if you publicly question important stories that are agenda-led, like for example the war in Ukraine or the response to the COVID pandemic, that it appears that there is some significant heft behind controlling those narrative spaces and preventing them from being overtly challenged.
00:07:03.000Can you tell me what your personal experience is around censorship and whether or not you ever personally feel there is an attempt to close down independent media voices?
00:07:19.000I experience it every day with the YouTube demonetizing videos for no reason.
00:07:24.000The first time it happened, they took down, I think, three or maybe five of my videos in 2021 because I was doing videos that talked about the efficacy of the vaccine.
00:07:37.000And I stated that it didn't stop transmission or contraction of the virus, which we all know now.
00:07:43.000And at that time, I had kind of pieced it together myself.
00:07:47.000And I had on Dr. Robert Malone, who explained how that worked to me.
00:07:50.000And then I got censored by YouTube for that.
00:07:53.000And when I asked, what was this censorship for?
00:07:56.000And why did you take down these five videos?
00:07:58.000And they said it was because I gave misinformation saying the vaccine didn't stop transmission.
00:08:03.000And when I said, I showed them, well, the FDA says they don't know if it stops transmission, that they hope it does.
00:08:10.000And so their response to that was, oh, no, no, we made a mistake.
00:08:13.000It's because you said it doesn't stop contraction of this.
00:08:21.000But they gave me a warning, which is the first step to giving you a strike.
00:08:25.000And so I've had that happen and every day now the demonetization of videos have been ramped up.
00:08:30.000The most recent ridiculous one was I did a video about Justin Trudeau being protested by Canadians over how he treated the truckers over the vaccine and over their protests.
00:08:45.000I did a video just showing people protesting him and they demonetized it and the reason they gave was that it was targeted harassment So somehow I'm not allowed to show people protesting the leader of Canada, the most powerful person in all of Canada, because I'm harassing him.
00:09:03.000So they're protecting the powerful and they're censoring the powerless.
00:09:08.000The people speaking to the power, they're censoring them.
00:09:15.000It seems extraordinary that an organisation like Pfizer is able to assert as much power and control over the legacy media as it currently does.
00:09:26.000It seems extraordinary that we have social spectacles like the Empire State Building being lit up as a Pfizer vaccine jab.
00:09:38.000It's extraordinary that the ability for even relatively small independent media organisations Like ours to inquire appears to be met with such hostility.
00:09:50.000And it also appears that regardless of the subject, whether or not it's war or pandemic response, the same PSYOP units, this I'm speaking in particular in the UK, the same PSYOP unit moved effortlessly from responding to ISIS to responding to what it called COVID disinformation to responding to dissent around the war.
00:10:12.000It's difficult to not start to appreciate The population, the public, the citizenry are actually the enemies of the state and their corporate allies.
00:10:23.000This is becoming clearer and clearer and it seems to me extraordinary that we've arrived at this point where free speech and ordinary protocols of justice are being bypassed.
00:10:35.000How have we gotten here Jimmy and what dangers does it pose in the coming years?
00:10:41.000Well, we've gotten here because they have to control the narrative.
00:10:44.000Before, it was easier for them to control the narrative because they held all the strings to the media.
00:10:49.000So now that we have media, social media, and things like YouTube, Rumble, that we can actually get our message out to question authority, that's what's dangerous for them.
00:10:59.000And so they have to control the narrative.
00:11:01.000They have to censor things that are detrimental to the establishment.
00:11:04.000Because if they can't do that, then they have to start disappearing people.
00:11:08.000And that's a little harder, and it's a little more risky.
00:12:16.000I don't know if you're familiar with it, but in the movie, Ned Beatty says there are no countries anymore.
00:12:21.000There are only companies and the international transfer of dollars.
00:12:25.000And so people like us, we upset that balance, that international transfer of dollars, because the truth might get to the taxpayers.
00:12:34.000Might get to the people and there might be a revolution.
00:12:37.000Now, in the United States, during the Great Depression, FDR, the only reason he gave people Social Security, the only reason he gave people a jobs program, was because the establishment, the ruling capitalists, were afraid of an actual revolution.
00:12:53.000And so FDR told the wealthy, from the class that he came from, he said that if you don't give them some of your money, they're going to come and take all of your money.
00:13:04.000And so that's the only thing that scares them is an actual revolution, which is what I think we need right now in the United States or in the West, for sure, because we are controlled by a handful of billionaires.
00:13:15.000Right now, in the United States, we have people living under every bridge.
00:13:43.000They've concocted this Ukraine war narrative so they can go do a money laundering operation, which is now called the Ukraine war, which they provoked so they could start their money laundering operation to give it to their donors.
00:13:57.000This is all about the donor class running our Congress and our presidency, at least in the United States, the donor class does, which is why they're also criminalizing Donald Trump, because they've demonized Donald Trump as a white supremacist.
00:14:10.000That's what the establishment flexes now.
00:14:42.000So the same jury that used a thing called the RICO laws.
00:14:46.000RICO laws were invented in the United States specifically to go after the mafia.
00:14:51.000They're now using it to go after their political opponents.
00:14:55.000Whether it be Donald Trump or whether it be protesters who get the expansion of the police state in the United States, and people pretend they don't see those two things.
00:15:03.000You don't have to like Donald Trump to be worried about this.
00:15:09.000But I can see, it's just like that old saying, when they came for the Jews, I didn't say anything because I wasn't.
00:15:14.000When they came for the trade unionists, I didn't say anything because I wasn't.
00:15:16.000But when they came for me, there was nobody left to say anything.
00:15:19.000And that's why it's important we stand up now and say something about the criminalization of the politics and the political opponents of the establishment.
00:15:29.000That's what we're seeing left and right, whether about COVID, whether about the truckers, whether it be about Climate change and the way they're using our fear of climate change to control us, manipulate us, and get us to hate each other.
00:15:41.000And that's another thing that the establishment corporate news does in the United States, is they report every story in a way that turns the country against each other.
00:15:50.000And against, I'm supposed to blame right now, the establishment wants me to, they did a controlled demolition of our economy during COVID that wrecked Everybody except a handful of millionaires and billionaires at the top and they want me to hate my neighbor and blame my neighbor for the pain I'm feeling because they wouldn't take a vaccine that didn't work the way they said it did in the first place.
00:16:12.000Well, I'm not going to hate my neighbor because they're suffering just like everybody else is under the same garbage from the oligarchy.
00:16:18.000And I'm going to join with them to oppose them.
00:16:21.000And it's so bad in the United States that they won't even give money to those victims in Maui right now.
00:16:28.000He offers them $700, Joe Biden, but only if we give another $24 billion to the most corrupt country in Europe with absolutely no oversight whatsoever.
00:16:37.000It's 100% money laundering operation, the Ukraine war.
00:16:43.000The only thing I think that can save us now in the United States is a revolution that takes down and tears apart the government and the corporate media.
00:16:51.000Jimmy, that is a powerful piece of rhetoric that you have just unloaded and it's impossible not to take note of Julian Assange's famous observation that the function of government is to take money from public hands and to place it in the hands of private interests and that they have become adept at providing means to undertake that very thing.
00:17:13.000This criminalisation of opposition in all its forms, whether that's at the level of the individual in order to facilitate censorship, whether it's to legitimise more surveillance, whether it's to create more and more opposition between communities that might otherwise be united, appears to be a technique and a tactic that is plainly on the rise.
00:17:35.000When you talk about revolution like that, and when you describe the conditions in your country, and it's not that different in our country, Jimmy, to tell you the truth, It seems that what you're describing are the perfect conditions for revolution.
00:17:48.000Disenfranchisement, disenchantment, attacks on not only humanity itself, but almost the essence of humanity.
00:17:54.000Values like kindness, compassion, unity, forgiveness, redemption, justice.
00:17:59.000The institutions themselves are becoming an anathema to our highest creeds, our highest values.
00:18:08.000I would say The apotheosis of humanity is our ability to cultivate and create cultures around compassion and kindness and unity and fairness and justice and it seems that these models, these modes, are being broken down.
00:18:23.000When you describe a figure like Trump being criminalized in the way that he evidently and plainly has, vilified to the point where there are certain people who can't even hear his name without it like being a dark bell rung in their hearts, It shows us that we're at a point of almost ubiquitous fracture.
00:18:41.000I wonder, Jimmy, how you see the role of independent media relating to new independent political movements, and even if those political movements are currently within, in your country, the main parties.
00:18:55.000I'm talking specifically, I suppose, about Bobby Kennedy, who's emerging out of this pandemic and war period as an authentic voice, and in spite of His surname and the obvious fact that that means to a degree he's a legacy politician.
00:19:15.000He's the first political figure, perhaps other than Trump, with Trump's relationship with Twitter, who's been able to gain access to an audience without having to move through the legacy media gatekeepers who seem hell-bent on preventing oppositional voices from uniting and from being amplified.
00:19:34.000When you talk about revolution, obviously it seems in 2023 with a militarized police force, with a surveillance state, with anti-protest laws, with the ability, increasing ability, of governments to switch off money supply, to shut off your tech, to shut off your ability to communicate, that the type of revolution that we're discussing would have to have a very different flavor and would perhaps have to coalesce around political figures that are willing to carry that burden.
00:20:02.000Do you think it is a revolution that requires leaders?
00:20:05.000Do you think it is a revolution that's happening at the level of the nation?
00:20:08.000Do you think it's a revolution that by its nature has to include a significant portion of the population?
00:20:15.000And if so, what do you think is going to be the significance of relationships between independent media, particularly if independent media is under attack, and independent political voices?
00:20:26.000How are these new nexuses or nexi to be formed?
00:20:30.000And do you see that formation taking place?
00:21:05.000And the establishment, this idea that the corporate news and the government officials put forward that somehow we're at risk in peril by independent media spreading misinformation.
00:21:17.000Well, I'm here to tell you, we all know that The number one spreader of misinformation and lies is the government.
00:21:28.000And so this idea that we have to worry about independent citizens having an opinion and sharing it on social media, that that's the problem, that problem, again, is misdirection.
00:21:38.000It's having us turn on each other instead of turning on the powerful.
00:21:43.000And so we have to keep our eye on the ball.
00:21:45.000And what happened is so So I remember when Christian Smalls, if you don't know who that is, he started the Amazon Union on Staten Island in New York City.
00:21:55.000And he was a black guy who got fired by Amazon at the beginning of COVID.
00:21:59.000And he stood out there and he organized those workers against him.
00:22:02.000He organized with Trump voters because that's who is on Staten Island.
00:22:07.000That's who's working at that Amazon Fulfillment Center.
00:22:12.000They don't want us coming together by class.
00:22:15.000That's why they stress identity politics.
00:22:18.000Let's remember what identity politics is.
00:22:20.000Instead of the establishment fixing a problem, What they do is they put someone in charge of the problem from a marginalized group, so now if you still complain about that problem, they can dismiss you as a phobe of some kind, a sexist, or a white supremacist.
00:22:36.000You know what I say, if it was 1860, the Democrats wouldn't be fixing slavery, they'd be bragging about their first transgendered slave owner.
00:22:44.000So this is real and that's a joke but it's also very serious because they want us to identify as individuals and they don't want us to identify along class lines because that is the only thing that scares people.
00:22:56.000People from the left and the right and the center coming together to realize we have a common interest and a common enemy.
00:23:03.000That's the only thing that could scare them and that's the only thing that will do anything to them and that's why it was so important that they demonized the truckers in Canada.
00:23:12.000They had to call them white supremacists.
00:23:23.000They were protesting bullshit authoritarianism.
00:23:26.000And they were right, and they were freedom fighters.
00:23:28.000But in the United States, our corporate media so propagandizes us.
00:23:32.000that we can't tell the difference between a freedom fighter and a Nazi. We look at the
00:23:36.000truckers and we call them Nazis and we look at the Nazis in Ukraine and we call them freedom fighters.
00:23:41.000That is the upside down backwards world we have us living in right now.
00:23:44.000It's actually literally Orwellian where the meaning of words is being altered, where the
00:23:51.000ability to communicate is being shut down, where a kind of existential crisis is being induced so
00:23:59.000that people don't feel free to communicate, don't feel safe to have opinions, don't feel safe to
00:24:04.000knock the edges off between the obvious differences between people that we can find common ground together.
00:24:12.000Your example of Christian Smalls I think is apposite because what he created and what he participated in was significant because by bypassing the assumed division that the top-down elite model would impose, you're able to actually gain some traction.
00:24:30.000you're actually able to locate some power, where ordinarily there is just a kind of existential
00:24:35.000despair. If you're working at an Amazon site, whether it's in the UK, Tilbury, where I'm
00:24:40.000from, or whether it's in Staten Island, presumably nearer to where you're from, it doesn't matter.
00:24:46.000You're suffering under the same conditions. I suppose one of the things we have to face
00:24:52.000is that the models of the last century are starting to become defunct.
00:24:57.000Models that emerged out of industry, like socialist movements that emerged out of industry, in particular union movements, do not seem to be able, other than in the example that you've just given, to operate at scale in a way that's meaningful, particularly not when confronted with a kind of centralist behemoth of this nature.
00:25:19.000I suppose we live in Unprecedented times of scale.
00:25:23.000There was never before the ability to have the kind of globalism that we currently have where there are unelected bureaucratic bodies, whether that's NATO or the WHO, that have a level of power that's unimaginable.
00:25:36.000That alloyed to the kind of ability to communicate and control the big tech platforms have mean that The ability to organise and confront of ordinary people has to kind of radically alter.
00:25:50.000The rhetoric that you and I engage in, and I'll compliment you now Jimmy, you convey this stuff so beautifully, so passionately, so articulately, and so clearly, is plainly a valuable weapon.
00:26:02.000But I wonder how we escalate beyond this point of communication to the point of organisation, because clearly it seems that this is something that has to happen at scale, because every single crisis is treated as an opportunity.
00:26:18.000Every single crisis seems to have the same resolution, limit and prohibit the power of individuals, increase the power of the state.
00:26:26.000Ignore the impact of large, centralised organisations on the problem.
00:26:31.000For example, if you take climate change, which of course I'm entirely sympathetic towards, it's just I note that whenever solutions are offered, they're usually solutions that are punitive to ordinary people, rather than solutions that may impact the profit of powerful organisations, or impact the business model, even, of powerful organisations.
00:26:51.000It seems, I suppose, God, what I'm starting to realise, even as I'm talking to you, is that the role we have is about providing cartilage and connection and hope.
00:27:00.000Without some kind of hope, it becomes impossible to even conceive of moving forwards.
00:27:05.000Jim, I've got a whole bunch of things that we can run through, like currently Zelensky is in DC requesting $24 billion and this is, again, Off the agenda, particularly among progressive Democrats, isn't any kind of argument for peace advocacy.
00:27:22.000In fact, peace is being regarded as the problem rather than war.
00:27:30.000So, they just had a climate march in New York City when I was there.
00:27:35.000I think they said 25,000 people showed up to it.
00:27:38.000Now, what they had was a bunch of quote-unquote progressive Democrats speaking there, and so they're supposed to be opposing climate change and fossil fuels, while, of course, the Democratic Party is opening up Alaska to drilling, and they blew up the Nord Stream pipeline, which is the biggest.
00:27:56.000So, Joe Biden and the Democrats are the biggest eco-terrorists in the world.
00:28:00.000This idea that they're actually fighting climate change is garbage.
00:28:05.000What they're using is our fear of climate change to control us, right?
00:28:09.000And so they also are demonizing communism, right?
00:28:12.000So a lot of people in the United States anyway, the new meme is to equate what happened during COVID with the Democrats, the left, and of and communism. So I have to explain to those people this
00:28:26.000wasn't communism. This is called capitalism and the corporate capture of our government.
00:29:38.000And if those people were serious about fighting climate change, they would say, hey, maybe we need to shut down a couple hundred military bases.
00:29:45.000That would be the first place I would start.
00:29:47.000That's the last place they're starting.
00:29:49.000In fact, they're expanding the military.
00:29:53.000This is all about more money for the establishment that pulls the strings and pulls the levers of government.
00:29:59.000Government is no longer there for you.
00:30:01.000Government is there for, of, and by the corporation and the handful of billionaires, the WEF.
00:30:08.000Right now, the WHO is supposed to be dictating health policy in the United States, especially on YouTube and Google.
00:30:14.000There's an unelected body that's been funded.
00:30:17.000You know the biggest funder to the WHO is Bill Gates.
00:30:20.000China and then Bill Gates through himself, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and by DAVI, which is a pro-vaccine organization that he also funded.
00:30:29.000So it's one billionaire, the richest guy in the world, is dictating policy on YouTube, Google, that surrounds everything from economics to healthcare to climate to everything.
00:30:42.000It's being A handful of billionaires are running the world right now, and people need to really wake up to it.
00:30:48.000Once they do, they will shut things down.
00:31:00.000Barack Obama took us from two wars to seven.
00:31:03.000Barack Obama kicked 5.1 million families, not people, 5.1 million families out of their homes during an economic crisis engineered by Wall Street, while at the same time he made sure the Wall Street bankers got their bonuses.
00:31:16.000He built those cages Donald Trump put Hispanics in, he deported twice as many Hispanics as Donald Trump did, and he dropped more bombs than George Bush.
00:31:24.000But right now, they're trying to put Donald Trump in prison as George Bush and Dick Cheney walk Three men after everyone knows they ordered a torture program and Barack Obama was supposed to, he's constitutionally required to prosecute those people like Dick Cheney and George Bush for torturing people and ordering a torture program, but he didn't.
00:32:16.000And all they have to do is say that you're a terrorist and they can give you what they call indefinite detention, meaning they can lock you up without a trial, without even charging you.
00:32:25.000And that's what Barack Obama made happen.
00:32:33.000So now if you go to protests, like if I want to go protest, they're going to call me if I want to protest the new oil well, or I want to protest whatever it is, they'll call you and you're a climate terrorist or you're an economic terrorist.
00:32:46.000And all they have to do is put terrorists at the end and they can put you in jail indefinitely, lock you up and silence you.
00:32:54.000And that's why the establishment loves Barack Obama.
00:32:57.000And that's why they hate everybody else who points that out.
00:33:00.000So I don't remember what the actual question was, but things are way worse than people actually think.
00:33:06.000It's extraordinary when heroes that the culture offers us are so entrenched within systemic
00:33:14.000corruption of a scale that's difficult to believe, even as you recite it, even though
00:33:18.000many of the things you relayed are facts I'm familiar with.
00:33:23.000Obviously, Obama's role in 2008 and the bailouts, but that habeas corpus, I was
00:33:28.000unaware of that. And again, the conflation of opposition with terrorism is clearly one of the pieces
00:33:37.000required to build us towards a dystopia. And sometimes, Jimmy, doing what we do for a
00:33:44.000living, when you're reporting one minute on increasing surveillance, the next minute on
00:33:48.000increasing censorship, the next on money flooding towards a war that you describe as a
00:33:54.000money laundering organisation, the inability of democracy to function, the closing down of
00:34:01.000dissent in voices, it feels like an immersive experience.
00:34:06.000You can feel now how the militarisation of the police, the banning of protest, you can see how the pieces are being laid out to create an inevitable corridor towards indefatigable tyranny, to the point where opposition becomes just Inconceivable.
00:34:22.000In addition to that, there are the kind of emotional and spiritual toll that it takes in diminishing the ability even to feel hope.
00:34:30.000A kind of culture that has very, very low values, that is not able to elevate the best of us, that is slowly excluding many of the principles that are required if you're to even participate in visionary politics.
00:34:45.000The idea that you might actually offer a real change.
00:34:49.000Now we've touched again and again upon the Ukraine conflict and I know that you have something to explain to us about Stollenberg and in particular NATO's invasion of Ukraine and how we arrived at this point that is very much at odds with how we broadly experience reporting on this conflict.
00:35:10.000Could you unpack that for us a little Jimmy?
00:35:12.000Well, all I could tell people is that whenever you listen to the government or the corporate media talk about the Ukraine war, they always start the story three quarters of the way in.
00:35:24.000They never tell you the first three quarters of the story.
00:35:27.000They never tell you about, put it this way, Let's say I was standing on a corner and a bus was coming and there was an old lady standing in the street and she was just about to get hit by the bus and I pushed her out of the way.
00:35:39.000The corporate media would start the story, Jimmy Dore pushes old lady down on the sidewalk and that's where they would start that story.
00:35:47.000And so that's where they start the Ukraine war story.
00:35:50.000They don't tell you that there was a coup instituted by the CIA of Ukraine of their democratically elected government.
00:35:56.000And the CIA funded and got in bed with right-wing Nazis to overthrow a democratically elected government in Ukraine.
00:36:04.000And then when the Russian-speaking people who identify with Russian ethnically in the eastern part of Ukraine, called the Donbass, didn't want to go along with the couped government that the CIA set up with the Nazis, then they started shelling them and bombing those people.
00:37:38.000But he's going to find out that as soon as the West is done with him and he's no longer useful, they will probably coup him and then kill him, just like they did with Gaddafi and everybody else.
00:38:34.000He didn't realize that the President of the United States can't tell the truth about our foreign policy, which is that we use our military might to invade smaller, more powerless countries and steal their natural resources.
00:38:44.000Which is exactly what our foreign policy has been for the last 50 years.
00:39:05.000You have to shut down capitalism temporarily to inflict pain on them so that they, now you have that power.
00:39:12.000And they couldn't let people see that, so that's why they had to call them white supremacists, and to call them Nazis, and say they were anti-science.
00:39:21.000The people who were against the truckers, the people who were against protesters, they're the ones being anti-science.
00:39:27.000Today, I saw an article that Basara, the head of the United States Human Health Services Department, said that he got his vaccine because he doesn't want to infect his mother.
00:39:40.000Now, we all know that that's a lie, that that's anti-science.
00:39:44.000They're still saying that almost four years now into COVID, they're still pushing that lie.
00:39:49.000And why would they be pushing that lie?
00:39:51.000It's because they want to sell more vaccines for the people who actually control the country, which is a handful of capitalists.
00:39:59.000Jimmy, what you describe as the solution is immediate disobedience.
00:40:04.000It's impossible really to contemplate how we found ourselves in this situation until you look at how the narrative is controlled on a global level.
00:40:12.000Here is a story about how Dr. Robert Epstein capturing how Google manipulates Manipulates elections is a phrase that I'm going to use there somewhat carefully.
00:40:22.000It says that Google influences about 25% of elections throughout the world, including those in the United States.
00:40:28.000Over 70% of people in America get their news through Google and Facebook.
00:40:31.000Google controls the lives, online at least, of more than 5 billion people worldwide.
00:40:38.000Temporarily, I saw Jimmy Dore's world light up before being plunged once.
00:40:43.000Hang on, I'm going to get another light.
00:41:01.000It's plain that Google are able to At least direct narratives.
00:41:06.000How else would it be that we would tolerate just a handful of the things that you've outlined?
00:41:13.000Villainous politicians presented as heroes, corrupt corporations able to profit from crises, energy companies that are able to benefit from an energy crisis and increase
00:41:22.000their profits, still while receiving subsidies.
00:41:25.000Illegal wars carried out under the pretense of humanitarianism.
00:41:29.000All of these things can only occur if information is controlled.
00:41:34.000You've returned several times to the truckers precisely because they represent the opportunities
00:41:41.000that become apparent when people are willing to unite against a common cause.
00:41:46.000As you say, when disobedience and disruption are presented, new possibilities occur.
00:41:53.000If the system prohibits the possibility for democratic change, then of course organization out of the system becomes absolutely necessary.
00:42:03.000One of the defining moments in the trucker protests, as well as their characterization unfairly and libelously as Nazis, was when people that were funding that protest had their funds shut down and stopped when GoFundMe rediverted those donations.
00:42:23.000What do you think is the likelihood that CBDCs as well as new forms of identification and passports that perhaps could be inaugurated as health measures will mean that ultimately each citizen finds themselves in a position where they can be financially controlled through digital currencies?
00:42:42.000That they can be, their movement can be controlled through passports initially issued as a health measure.
00:42:49.000What do you feel we ought be doing when we're presented these ideas as solutions in order to facilitate safety and convenience?
00:42:59.000So I didn't realize Until I saw a speech by Bobby Kennedy at a Bitcoin convention, I didn't understand about digital currency and how dangerous it is.
00:43:10.000And so Bobby Kennedy talked about how we now live in a world where we can have... And he pointed to the truckers and how they turned off people's finances.
00:43:18.000And he talked about how we now have latchkey totalitarianism.
00:43:22.000And a good antidote to that is Bitcoin.
00:43:27.000And then it made me realize why the establishment demonizes Bitcoin so much, because it's blockchain and they can't control it, and they can't turn off Bitcoin like they can turn off the CBD.
00:44:41.000I think we need to boost Bitcoin, especially, and boost things that are not controlled by any kind of central bank or any kind of government or a handful of capitalists.
00:44:57.000I think most people need to get informed about that.
00:45:01.000Once people, so because most people go, it's like you ever heard people say, well, I don't care if they read my emails or I don't care if they, I don't have anything to hide.
00:45:38.000And if they have access to shutting down your finances, that's way easier for them.
00:45:43.000So again, if they can't, if they couldn't turn off your finances, if they couldn't censor you, if they couldn't demonetize you and have people look, look at the gray zone, right?
00:45:52.000The gray zone does amazing, amazing investigative work that always is against the international security state.
00:46:00.000And they expose all kinds of crimes of the And what did they do?
00:46:55.000And I had to go with exactly what would have happened to me.
00:46:57.000Is the exact same thing they did to Julian Assange, the exact thing they did to you, they would have done to me and they would have taken down my channel.
00:47:05.000So I knew all this and I knew I could be more effective right here doing this because they would have just disappeared me and people would have forgot about me and they would have discredited me.
00:47:14.000And so I'm going to hang on as long as I can, telling the truth and trying to bring people together.
00:47:20.000But what we really need is the people to embrace the truckers and people to embrace that form of protest, because that is the only thing that they will feel.
00:47:29.000And that's the only thing that can stop them is if we shut down capitalism.
00:47:33.000Not that I'm against people having businesses or making money, but we have to do it across the board.
00:47:38.000And we have to put a hurt on them, and it has to make them afraid.
00:47:41.000Right now, we have to dismantle the corporate media, and we have to dismantle the coalition.
00:47:49.000When they got rid of the campaign finance laws in the United States, which is what they did, now corporations can spend unlimited on elections, and so they run the country outright now.
00:47:59.000Before it used to be, they used to have to bribe somebody under the table, just like the corporate news used to have to bring on somebody who would give you CIA talking points.
00:48:07.000Now they just bring the guy on from the CIA as if he's the guy who's supposed to be telling you the truth.
00:48:12.000They're supposed to be bringing on a guy telling you where the CIA guy is lying.
00:48:16.000What they do is they bring on the CIA guy to tell you as if he's telling the truth.
00:48:26.000And if they can get you to hate Donald Trump, a guy who didn't want to be president in the first place, a guy who, by the way, the establishment loved for decades.
00:48:34.000Everybody knew Donald Trump's name because they couldn't get his name out of their mouth.
00:48:38.000He was a special guest on late night talk shows.
00:48:41.000He was guest host on Saturday Night Live.
00:48:43.000They gave him his own network television show for 10 years where people from Hollywood would come and bend their knee and call him Mr. Trump and they gave him Emmy nominations.
00:48:51.000They all went to each other's weddings.
00:49:05.000What a fantastic Advocacy for revolution, for independent thought, for independent analysis, and as always an incredible and inspiring way of just communicating.
00:49:17.000Jimmy, just to spend a bit of time with you really lifts my spirit at a time where I plainly need it and I can't tell you how grateful I am.
00:49:24.000To you for spending time on what looks like a vacation with me.
00:49:28.000Now Jimmy Dore may not be running for president just yet, but he is throughout October appearing at a number of comedy theaters with his fantastic show.
00:49:40.000You can go to JimmyDore.com to see him in Indianapolis or in Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Boca Raton, San Diego, all over the place.
00:49:50.000Have a little look on Jimmy's website to go and see Jimmy live.
00:49:53.000If this is him when he's under surveillance, can you imagine Jimmy Dore when he is truly free?
00:49:59.000Jimmy, thank you so much for joining us.