In this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand: Only on Rumble, host Russell Brand sits down with Bear Grylls to discuss his new show on National Geographic, "Man vs Wild". Bear is a world-renowned adventure and survival expert. He has been featured on shows like Running Wild, Man vs Wild, and most recently, Man Vs Wild: Into the Wild. In this episode, Bear talks about the challenges he has faced in the wild, and how he has overcome them. He also talks about what it's like to be a man in the wilderness, and what it means to be pushed to the very limit. And he talks about how he deals with people who are out of their comfort zone, like Zac Efron, Channing Tatum, and other alpha male adventure stars like Zac and Channing, who have never done stuff off the beaten path and have never beaten the path off the path. Bear explains how he's been able to do it, and why it's a privilege to have him as a guest on his show. Stay Free with Russell Brand only on Rumble. This episode is a must-listen, and you'll want to check out the full version of this episode on Rumble on your favourite streaming platform. If you haven't checked out Rumble yet, you won't want to miss it! Stay free with Russell! -RUMBLE! - RUMBLE - RATE 5 stars on Apple Podcasts! Rate, review, subscribe, subscribe and subscribe to stay free with your favourite podcaster! and leave us a review! Thank you for listening and share this episode with your fellow awesomeness! :) and share it on your thoughts on social media! I'll be listening to this episode and sharing it with your friends and posting it on Insta-RUNDERSTANDING it on the Insta! . Subscribe to my insta-tweeted it so we can spread the word to your friends about it. and spread it around the wide and everywhere you can spread it to the wide world! XOXO - I'm listening to it everywhere you see it everywhere! -RUN FREE - RUNNING FREE with me! ~ - -PODCAST - RAYA - RUSSUAL - RULY - RYAN MCCARTE - ROWDLEFT FREE - PODCAST?
00:00:33.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand, only on Rumble.
00:00:37.000Of course, this initial period we are on YouTube, but after the first 15 minutes or so, we exclusively switched to add the home of free speech, our mothership, Rumble, not so that we can propagate hate speech.
00:00:51.000So that we can propagate free speech, and today I am privileged to be speaking freely with a world-renowned adventurer, a great man, a survivor, a man who has taught himself and others how to overcome challenges, who knows about leadership, who knows about the military, who knows about extreme situations, who knows how to master the body and conquer the self, and I'm going to be introducing him in just a moment. You know who he is, I know I'm trying to
00:01:16.000build it up because we've already posted on social media who he is, so it's not like, who's
00:01:19.000it going to be? Also, later in the show in Here's the News, we're going to be looking
00:01:24.000at the digital dollar, about oh, you like cryptocurrencies now, do you? Now that you can
00:01:29.000control them. I thought Bitcoin was evil. Now that we can control it, digital currencies
00:01:35.000We're going to be investigating that and just how much power that grants the establishment the ability to shut down bank accounts, to control economies.
00:01:43.000It's extraordinary how fast this is moving.
00:01:46.000Over 50% of the countries of the world are trialing and preparing for CBDC.
00:01:50.000So I have to make sure I get that acronym right.
00:01:53.000Now, it is my privilege To be able to introduce a man you will know from shows like Running Wild, Man vs. Wild.
00:02:00.000His latest show is on National Geographic and he's had me as a guest, so he's been pushed to the very limit.
00:02:29.000Even when you're on a Zoom call, you look like you're in an outrageously rugged situation.
00:02:34.000You must be hanging off the edge of a cliff or dangling from a helicopter.
00:02:39.000Thank you for joining us in an appropriately rugged environment.
00:02:43.000Like, over the years, with some of my favourite guests, I've, like, really enjoyed watching the Obama episode.
00:02:48.000I loved some of the early shows you did with British stars like Jonathan Ross.
00:02:52.000One of my favourites was Alex Harland, the free climber, and I know that was a Big one for you.
00:02:58.000How do you deal with it when you have to survive with people that, uh, let's put it like... Like, when I was asked to come on your show, I thought, like, this is how I categorized it.
00:03:08.000Like, some people did really, really well, and like, were like, oh my god, that person could actually survive in the wild.
00:03:13.000Like, and then there are some people that you have to cosset a little bit, and cotton wool, and kid glove, and mollycoddle.
00:03:21.000On that scale bear of like, you know, this is a person I can go into battle with, and this is a person I'm going to have to carry on my back in a knapsack.
00:03:33.000I will go into battle with you any day, but there might be a few moments where I might have to carry you in the knapsack, as you call it.
00:03:42.000I would say, I think for me, the really fun part of running wild is that 99% of the time, the people I take away Wilderness rookies, so to speak.
00:03:51.000You know, they're totally out of their comfort zone.
00:03:53.000Even the even the sort of, you know, alpha male adventure stars, even the guy, you know, like Zac Efron or Channing Tatum, somebody who's physical and, you know, fit and strong and loves that sort of thing.
00:04:05.000Often, though, they've never done stuff off the beaten path.
00:04:10.000You know, even Zach, I remember him saying to me, I love hiking, love, you know, being out Go left or go right from the trail.
00:04:20.000And I think Running Wild thrives on going left or right off the trail.
00:04:24.000So I would say 99% of the time the people I take are rookies.
00:04:30.000The kind of fun for me is taking absolute real rookies, you know, and therefore I know you were sort of, you know, a little apprehensive before doing it, saying, I've never done anything like this.
00:04:42.000This is really out of my comfort zone.
00:04:45.000But in a way, that's sort of, I love that, because it's honest, it's fun.
00:04:51.000There's a sort of vulnerability that always then excels on the show, because I think if somebody arrives Knowing too much, or kind of thinking they're, you know, wanting to prove themselves physically too much.
00:05:05.000In a way, it takes a while to break through that.
00:05:07.000Where if you take somebody like you, who just kind of arrives saying, Bear, I trust you, I'm all in, here we go.
00:05:14.000It's kind of like, my heart sings to that, because it's like, here we go, this is going to be so fun.
00:05:20.000And sure enough, by the end, look at you.
00:05:23.000Your eyes were even brighter than ever, and big smile on your face.
00:05:27.000And all of the crew at the end of our one with you said, what a lovely, lovely, honest, strong, kind, family-centered, determined, vulnerable as well.
00:05:39.000You were so honest about so much of your journey.
00:05:48.000What I can say is it's 100% authentic, that you are 100% authentic, that you actually can do all those things, that it was exposed to me, that I undeniably have challenges doing.
00:06:02.000Like, I did things for the first time on that trip with you, man.
00:06:07.000Like the rap There were moments in the show where I was actually genuinely terrified.
00:06:16.000If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be available for about 10 minutes.
00:06:19.000Then I'm going to start asking Bear about how we're going to survive the inevitable and eventual apocalypse, however you approach that idea politically.
00:06:29.000What's important to me about Bear and Bear's work, and there are many things, but one thing I really identify with or, excuse me, find appealing about Bear's work is The ability to be independent in this world, the ability to survive, the ability to look after yourself, the ability to be at home in nature, the environments that we evolved to live in that now seem so detached from us.
00:06:48.000In a sense, one of the things that I learned from going on Running Wild is, oh my god, I'm evolved to live like this and I can't do it.
00:06:55.000I mean, Bear, I told you at the time that straight after experiencing some of my challenges climbing, I went to near where I live in High Wycombe And went to, like, the climbing wall there and thought, I've got to be better at climbing.
00:07:05.000I cannot be as bad at climbing as I was on Bear's show because that's unacceptable.
00:07:10.000So I subsequently went and learned climbing.
00:07:13.000If you have a question for Bear or any ideas for Bear, for example, if you're watching this, you might want to tell us who you'd most like to see on Running Wild or any other questions, press the red button and join us on Locals.
00:07:25.000That's where I'm watching the chat and where we've got questions like this one from FCDT.
00:07:30.000What wild antic have you done, Bear, that you would never do again?
00:07:34.000So I'll just give you that question now, Bear.
00:07:40.000You know, I think, as they say, adventure only really happens when things start to go wrong.
00:07:47.000I've been in so many situations where things have gone wrong, from parachute failures to pinned in whitewater rapids, crevasses, avalanches, rockfalls, bitten by snakes, you name it.
00:08:00.000I think You know if I had to pick one what was the other one that I would never want to do again?
00:08:05.000Like you'd never do it again even though you deliberately did it?
00:08:09.000Well I think um one of the early expeditions that people don't really know about but I took a team of five of us in a rigid inflatable boat essentially an inflatable boat with a little engine and uh across 3,000 miles of the arctic ocean from Halifax, Nova Scotia, North, across around Greenland, and eventually dropping down to Iceland and Scotland.
00:08:31.000And we got caught in some, you know, this was, we got caught in horrendous storms, 500 miles offshore in the night.
00:08:40.000Waves the size of houses crashing on top of us, icebergs everywhere.
00:08:45.000And we were very lucky, I think, to come out of that one alive.
00:08:50.000All of us were pretty shaken three weeks later.
00:08:54.000And the sea is, well, the wild is a humbling place, but I think big mountains and the sea especially are incredibly humbling.
00:09:02.000You know, I always remember this guy saying to me, Mother Nature's It's like your mother.
00:09:08.000You know, if you respect her, she'll treat you right.
00:09:11.000If you disrespect her, she'll teach you a lesson you're never, ever going to forget.
00:09:17.000Mother Nature taught us a lesson that day that was, well, that month.
00:09:21.000But I'm very grateful to have got out of that one.
00:09:24.000Still, every year to this day, the guys I was with will send me a text on the day and the night of this worst storm, It lasts for about 48 hours, and they sent me a text saying, this time, X number of years ago, we thought it was game over.
00:09:45.000I don't know, I think there's a bonding about going through scary situations together, and there's an element of that always on Running Wild.
00:10:09.000What I reflect on continually in my own journey of personal evolution is how uprooted and detached we've become from nature and from our own power.
00:10:20.000And when you speak about the bonds between people that experience that kind of adversity, it speaks to a kind of a tribal connection, a kind of mutual initiation, A sort of strength in the unity of knowing that nature is all-powerful, but that we are part of nature, that we can draw upon resources in ourself.
00:10:43.000One of the things that struck me during that experience, and I'm very glad to note that that experience of confronting the gale and the oceans and the element was not as traumatic as wearing traditional Scottish dress a kill with me and not having underpants because believe me
00:11:01.000I've got some memories from that experience bear that we'll be talking about but we won't be
00:11:04.000talking about on that on YouTube we'll wait till we're exclusively on rumble where we also have a
00:11:10.000clip of my appearance on running wild we'll show that so if you're watching us on YouTube
00:11:15.000join us over on rumble and if you're watching us on rumble press the red button right now to
00:11:19.000join us on the chat and pass on a question There's a question here from Sherman Tank asking about your diet.
00:11:27.000You mostly eat meat, I understand, Bear, and I can certainly see some of the side effects of that when I was abseiling down beneath you and looking up your kilt.
00:11:36.000Certainly seems that there are some benefits that I would like to explore.
00:11:40.000But for now, I want to say that one of the things that struck me is that a lot of your crew were ex-service people, like the people that have been in the military, people that have been in the police force.
00:11:49.000I feel people that have been in elite service positions.
00:11:53.000Is that important to you to work with people that have had that kind of experience in the military, and particularly in elite forces?
00:11:59.000And what is it that you find uniquely working with men and women that have that kind of service experience, Bear?
00:12:07.000I don't take those for granted and I think one of the things I really missed after the military was that camaraderie and I think what I've really worked hard over the years to create is to build that Team back up to put that a team, so to speak, back together.
00:12:30.000And we employed so many former guys that I served with and friends from the Royal Marines and also different, you know, service branches, but people who've always got a connection.
00:12:44.000It might be one or two away, but people with, you know, all the wider team work with and trust and love.
00:12:49.000And I think that That's always come before skills, you know?
00:12:54.000We've always hired on character and people we like and trust before the skills.
00:13:00.000The skills you can teach, loyalty and humility and kindness and selflessness, those sort of qualities are harder to teach.
00:13:09.000And I think a lot of people talk a good game on them, but I think you develop a level of Connection and trust when you serve with people in whether it's the police or military or whatever that it's hard to recreate so my first port of call when we started the TV shows was to go to my best buddies and who I'd served with and we started small and we've grown from there but
00:13:33.000Now having done it for a while and it's grown, I think one of the things I'm most proud of are those friendships that have endured.
00:14:41.000Those old friendships that can still laugh at ourselves.
00:14:46.000It's the thing I'm most proud of on our show.
00:14:49.000The connections and friendships that have endured through so much and are still going.
00:14:52.000I was really struck by the vibe of your crew and that it was run like a military operation at points.
00:15:01.000And I feel like I have to candidly say that, because I talk about it all the time on Stay Free, I'm deeply, deeply cynical about establishment authority.
00:15:11.000For example, the military industrial complex and many of the private interests behind it.
00:15:16.000But I've got Absolutely nothing but respect for people that have served in the military, that are willing to put a higher purpose in front of their own safety.
00:15:25.000And the men and women that I worked with on your show are such a great example of that.
00:15:31.000In particular, obviously yourself, but also Scott, who seems to have a Scotty there, who has a very particular role on your show.
00:15:38.000It seems to be like they're ensuring that there's safety.
00:15:41.000I remember when I asked what his job was, everybody laughed.
00:15:43.000So there must be some sort of ongoing joke there.
00:15:46.000But I feel like Scotty has got background in the military, background in the police force.
00:15:52.000Fantastic stories, not all of which are appropriate for broadcast, but all of which demonstrated the kind of camaraderie and good humour that you talk about.
00:16:02.000It's an important thing for me to make clear that I always, whenever I get the opportunity, say I really respect people that are willing to put themselves in front of danger like that because sometimes you have to iterate that complexity so people don't think you're disrespectful towards people that are willing to put their lives on the line, man.
00:16:21.000I wonder what you feel about that, how to balance that kind of complexity.
00:16:53.000They do everything I do, but backwards.
00:16:57.000And yeah, so for me, best friends, unsung heroes.
00:17:00.000And I love hearing sort of guests really value that as well, because I think often You know, often guests sort of, you know, they don't know what to expect when they arrive on Running Wild.
00:17:11.000Sometimes they go, wow, I really thought there'd be a hundred crew and it'd be sort of craft catering and it would be sort of well organized.
00:17:18.000And then they turn up and it's sort of six of us and a coil of rope and a rough idea of where we're going, but pretty rough.
00:17:26.000But by the end, I often find the guests love that because it's sort of so The opposite of what they've experienced in Hollywood, which is everything so controlled and so measured.
00:17:37.000Every box is signed and signed off and every harness double checked by this.
00:17:41.000And I think what I've learned over the years is that big numbers of people and a lot of box filling doesn't necessarily equal safety.
00:17:50.000You know, safety comes down to competence and experience and trust and a lack of ego in the big moments and a familiarity working together and a never get complacent spirit.
00:18:02.000You know, those sort of things hold real currency and value in my world where, you know, I'm putting superstars lives on the line like yourself, you know, every week.
00:18:11.000And you've got to get it right every time.
00:18:13.000So we take this safety very In the friendships, I think, first.
00:18:21.000There were moments making Running Wild with Bear Grylls where I was genuinely and actually scared.
00:18:28.000And I, in my life, often sought comfort from the fact that there is a camera present.
00:18:33.000I think, if there's a camera present, I cannot die.
00:19:32.000We'll be discussing all of that and much more as well as showing my clip over on Rumble.
00:19:36.000So if you're watching this on YouTube, click that link in the description and join us there now.
00:19:40.000See you in a second, you Awakening Wonders.
00:19:42.000If you're watching this on Rumble, why don't you press the red button where you can ask questions for Bear and I'll ask them after this clip.
00:19:48.000Now, I've not watched this clip back yet because of...
00:19:51.000Frankly, shyness, because I know I was scared a bunch of times, so I'm not even sure what this clip is, but this is an exclusive moment from my time with Bear on the inner Hebridean Isle.
00:21:15.000Kept saying, like, the thing you were using to comfort me through that moment when I was raptoring or descending or abseiling or whatever it's called that.
00:21:47.000It's the only time those words have ever come out of your mouth.
00:21:50.000You go, trust the system, I've got it.
00:21:55.000The other thing that springs to mind is true pity and apologies to the crew who were underneath you on that cliff face, who'd rappelled down moments earlier.
00:22:06.000Well, I don't know if you can see on that clip, but he's, Russell and me, wearing Scottish kilts, you know, which always traditionally is worn without underpants.
00:22:35.000So it's like a harness around my naked genitalia!
00:22:40.000It was like, that moment after we got out, of course, at the moment, like, I don't want to spoil too much of it, but it's available now if you, I guess, do they release them simultaneously on Disney?
00:22:50.000No, my episode's out in August, I think, but some of the other episodes are out now.
00:22:53.000But we jumped in, I just want to make this clear in case an accidental shot snuck in.
00:22:57.000The first thing we did was jumped in very, very cold water.
00:23:01.000The second thing we did was take off our underpants and put a kilt on.
00:23:06.000Like, even before we'd done anything dangerous, I was absolutely terrified.
00:23:12.000But I do now feel much more confident surviving in the wild, and certainly my ego was reduced to its minimum size, along with everything else.
00:23:21.000So, Bear, how, like, is that, and my episode's gonna be out on August the 6th, by the way.
00:23:26.000Bear, how do you feel about, like, is it, do you ever consider, is it, how much of the forefront of your mind is it, the idea that you can survive in the wild?
00:23:35.000I know it seems a slightly ridiculous question, but do you ever feel that that's something that might be actually necessary?
00:23:41.000Is that the sort of thing you reflect upon, the fact that, oh, things may not always be like this, we may not always be cosseted by systems of comfort?
00:23:58.000I mean, all I say is before we get on to that, just to wrap up Running Wild with you, I look back and I worry, I think, I wonder actually what Russell learned from his time on the show.
00:24:06.000One is, you know, how to tie a man's skirt, basically, you know.
00:24:11.000How not to get his testicles caught in the climbing harness, and how to sort of get thrown out of a seaplane at 40 knots before it takes off again.
00:24:22.000So I'm not sure how relevant those three skills are to the modern apocalypse, but all I say is it's a start, isn't it?
00:24:29.000Yeah, I now know how to be humiliated in front of ex-service people when I think my genitals have been shrunk to their absolute minimum capacity and now I've got to climb up a mountain.
00:24:42.000I mean, there were just so many moments in that show where I felt like I've got no choice but to absolutely surrender.
00:24:49.000I mean, obviously one of my key Spiritual principles that I've been taught is, you must surrender, you must surrender.
00:24:55.000And on that shoe, I felt like I've got no control, I don't know what I'm doing, I was genuinely frightened a number of times, and thank God that I have a religious and spiritual faith, because I don't think I would have got through it without that, so thank the Lord for that.
00:25:09.000But Bear, on this subject of survival, you mentioned that it is something you've reflected upon, the idea that it might at some point be necessary to utilize these skills, Not for entertainment and to demonstrate the capacity that human beings have that is unexplored and unexpressed, but simply because we have to survive.
00:25:31.000Well I think survival is in our DNA, isn't it?
00:25:34.000It's been a key part, the key part of our evolution for hundreds of thousands of years and I think there's a disconnect and suddenly the rapid pace of change that humanity's gone through over the last couple hundred years and actually even just the last 20 years where it's been just not like a A ripple of change.
00:25:55.000And then to suddenly find yourself bereft of skills that have been passed down for so many generations.
00:26:01.000And, you know, I think it's no surprise that there is a disconnect and an anxiety in people.
00:26:07.000Because it is in our DNA to be able to look after ourselves, to be able to look after our family, to know how to survive.
00:26:14.000And obviously in the modern world, survival takes many different You know, it looks different to how it looked a hundred years ago, but I think the smart people blend both of it.
00:26:25.000So you're not just, you know, a modern survivor in terms of technology, you know, but you've also got the skills to be able to when things go wrong.
00:26:33.000And even when things don't go wrong, I meet so many men who come up to me and they go, Just teach me a knot so I can tie the roof rack.
00:26:43.000Or teach me one simple thing so I can navigate if I haven't got my phone.
00:26:47.000You know, it's like, this isn't apocalypse stuff.
00:26:50.000This is like, you know, my phone does work, I just happen to be in an area outside cell reception, so I still need, or I still need to tie that roof rack.
00:27:07.000These are like just everyday skills that many men I find come up to me and feel bereft of.
00:27:15.000And obviously, it's not a man thing, but I think it's been traditionally something that men want to feel that they can provide and protect.
00:27:22.000And therefore, I think it's hard when If you're brought up in a way where you have none of those things, whether you're a man or woman, if you're brought up in a way where you're taught no practical skills, I think it's really hard.
00:27:34.000I think it leads to a place of quiet anxiety where you go, I can do my job.
00:27:40.000But I'm a little bit embarrassed that I can't do the knot or the navigating or the fire or whatever, you know, whatever it is.
00:27:48.000And so I think smart survivors blend all of this.
00:27:52.000You know, we never lose touch with what's behind us, but we always keep our eye on where we're going in the future.
00:28:00.000But it is interesting how you can't get rid of That hundreds of thousands of years of evolution in a generation, you know, why is it I can sit the most powerful people in the world, you know, the most, you know, biggest superstars or Hollywood actors or presidents or prime ministers sit down and teach them how to make a fire and they're happy for the first time in a long time to sit and not talk and just watch the fire and think and breathe and feel.
00:29:18.000And always remember the past and keep moving forward.
00:29:23.000Bear that you described of quiet anxiety. I sometimes feel that defines my life this understanding that we have become
00:29:31.000captured by systems of comfort knowing that I don't know how to
00:29:35.000Capture or in the case of me as someone who doesn't eat meat
00:29:40.000acquire and prepare food adequately prepare shelter Essentially survive I think it's unnatural like in almost
00:29:49.000the most the most literal sense And I feel that it's beyond emasculating so I recognize
00:29:55.000that that's a word Oh, no, that it needn't be specific to gender in fact. It's
00:29:59.000disempowering It's disempowering to feel that you are reliant on technology, that you are reliant on pre-packaged food, that you're reliant on forms of medicine, that everything sometimes starts to feel
00:30:12.000disconnected. I believe there's a correlative between spiritual disconnection, like not
00:30:19.000knowing that there is a deeper reality that we can access that can provide us comfort,
00:30:25.000and a disconnection from nature. A lot of people, and let me know in the chat if you
00:30:31.000agree with this, if your phone stops working, you feel like you don't know what to do anymore.
00:30:36.000If you're lost and you can't use the map on your phone, you don't know what to do. I think
00:30:40.000it's very difficult to feel empowered in this world, and present in this world, if you don't
00:30:45.000have those skills. And when we live, as I believe we do, in a mental health epidemic,
00:30:49.000where people are suffering from a great deal of anxiety, a great deal of depression, where
00:30:53.000addiction's gone through the roof, particularly in the last few years, where a lot of people
00:30:57.000have felt a deep sense of loss of control. One way of getting it back is through learning
00:31:03.000these skills. And I know that you have programs to...
00:31:06.000Uh, help kids that wouldn't have access to these skills, help people with mental health challenges.
00:31:13.000What are those programs and what kind of impact do you see when people get to grips with some of the skills that you present them with, Bear?
00:31:23.000Well, we run what we call the Bear Grylls Survival Academy.
00:31:26.000We run it all over the world for kids, for corporates, for families, all sorts of things.
00:31:31.000But what I see is that the fundamental principle of these is that nature is our best healer.
00:31:37.000And there's always going to be a disconnect when, you know, it's all great when everything works, you know, when that cell phone works.
00:31:43.000And the same with the spiritual as well.
00:31:45.000When everything's going great, It's all great.
00:31:48.000But what happens when the cell phone doesn't work or when you do find yourself in life on that back foot and struggling a little bit, you know, then to me, that is when adventure happens.
00:32:38.000What happens when it's all gone wrong, but nobody's coming to look for you, and you've got nothing apart from A roll of gaffer tape, you know, a couple of coat hangers and a broken water bottle.
00:32:50.000You know, for me it then gets interesting.
00:32:52.000So we try and teach you things that is about being resourceful in life and just stopping and thinking and being smart and, you know, all of this sort of spirit, the sort of spirit that so many people I think lack because everything's always done for us or always given these convenient things and the cell phone always works and you know resourcefulness is just a muscle it's a muscle you know how do we train it we use it but if you're never
00:33:23.000You can't expect to be a brilliant MacGyver when that cell phone does work, or when you're lost with your family, or your car breaks down, or you're on their back foot.
00:33:32.000You know, you have to practice these things.
00:33:34.000So, our Survival Academy is very much the practical arm of that, and they do an amazing job, and I love that.
00:33:41.000But I think it goes much further than that.
00:33:44.000It's much more, you know, we are mind, body, spirit, And emotion, aren't we?
00:33:50.000And I try and do stuff that speaks to all of that.
00:33:53.000That's why I did a book called Mind Fuel, which is exactly that.
00:33:57.000I did a book called Soul Fuel, trying to provide spiritual stuff that actually helps people when they're on the back foot.
00:34:02.000Mind Fuel is about when we're experiencing that anxiety, what can we do to help us end?
00:34:07.000So always try and do things, even in running wild, that empower people.
00:34:12.000Like you say, so you're not disempowered by life.
00:34:19.000You're right in so many ways, because whether it's intentional or not, but so much of modern day life is out to disempower you and to get you to be inoperable without them.
00:35:26.000The reason I find you a great leader and a great teacher is because you are able to instill, in a very graceful way, important principles that are applicable.
00:35:37.000When I went to that climbing wall in High Wycombe, having been on Running Wild and found myself falling short, There was a moment where, just on a climbing wall, where you know that you can't really die, you're in a managed environment, with a rope and stuff, with a guy at the bottom, and I was nearly at the top, where it said, you know, when you reach this white grip, that's the finish.
00:35:56.000And I actually got frightened, like, oh, I can't do this anymore.
00:36:00.000And then I remembered, I think it's the title of one of your books, Never Give Up.
00:36:04.000I almost saw your face, Never Give Up, like a lunchbox image of Bear Grylls.
00:36:09.000I'm gonna get to the top of this climbing wall!
00:36:14.000And I feel in my own life, like, I know how to hustle.
00:36:17.000Like, I remember from, like, being 15, 16 years old, if I need to use the London Underground and I can't afford a ticket, I'm gonna get where I need to go.
00:36:24.000If I don't have any money and I acquire chemical support because of my addictions, I'm gonna find a solution to those problems.
00:37:14.000I thought, this guy has a good perspective on stuff that is absolutely applicable, even when I come from a position of like, if not cynicism, I'm optimistic about life, but sort of real scepticism about the nature of power.
00:37:28.000I was very I'm surprised and heartened by how much common ground, and even hearing you speak now about empowerment, because I do believe there are many conscious and unconscious systems of disempowerment at play, where the role of the individual is increasingly becoming, you are a consumer.
00:37:51.000This is what... No, you're not invited to have personal autonomy and authority in your life.
00:37:57.000And whether it's, like, your... the survival skills that you talk about, the way that you talk about Christianity and faith, or the health hacks that you talk about, I think you find... you provide so many useful tools.
00:38:08.000I want to offer you my respect publicly for that, mate.
00:38:12.000Could you tell us a little bit about, like, these health hacks we talked about before?
00:38:15.000Because these are the kind of things that our stay-free viewers love.
00:38:22.000First of all, I just reply to some of the other stuff you said, because leadership is so interesting, isn't it, at the moment in the world, you know?
00:38:32.000The more I see Of so many leaders, it's always like, look at me.
00:38:57.000And I think kindness is a part of that.
00:38:59.000But there's a strength as well of great leadership of taking it away from yourself and putting and building other people up.
00:39:06.000And it's always powerful when you see and you talk about the never give up.
00:39:11.000I remember you texted me when you were on that climbing wall.
00:39:14.000Yeah, and you said that, you know, and my family would roll their eyes going, oh, Papa, you're always banging on about never give up and everything's never give up.
00:39:26.000It's the number one thing, because all of these skills, everything we've been talking about, all the Survival Academy stuff, these skills you can learn.
00:39:34.000You can learn that they're just stuff, they're skills.
00:41:57.000And the thing is, not one of, not one of these things on their own is going to heal you.
00:42:02.000But once they mount up, you know, 10, 15, 20 of these little things, of like, even if it's just like first thing in the day, not being on your phone in bed, but just, just get out and get moving.
00:42:16.000You know, if you start putting enough of these things together, is a strong healthy life and as a father and you as a father and as my role as chief scout to 57 million scouts around the world to both of us having a presence on tv
00:42:33.000You know, you've got to try and you try, especially with parenting, you do it by example, don't you?
00:42:43.000You know, so I don't apologize to my kids for getting out in the morning, getting moving, getting cold, getting the shoes off, getting in the sun and telling them at school.
00:43:17.000I love the stuff about getting in touch with nature.
00:43:20.000I like the fact that your approach to nature is a very masculine and active one.
00:43:27.000Not that there aren't numerous ways to attach to nature, I've just of course come back from Community Festival, where there was Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, where Wim Hof was there, running cold baths, Hiron Gracie and my teacher Chris.
00:43:38.000Lots of what you might traditionally describe as masculine activity, as well as What are known as feminine activities, and there's, of course, a place for all of that, but what's plain is that our connection to nature is transcendent of limiting ideas around gender, because that's how, as a species, we've evolved.
00:43:59.000It's obvious that you should eat food that you've evolved alongside, whether or not you have a dietary commitment that's carnivorous, like you, you mad meat-eating brute, or like me, where I don't rely so much on those products.
00:44:13.000And also being fully open and accepting that there are different ways of being human and that we can harmonise.
00:44:19.000We don't have to be in conflict about that.
00:44:22.000I love what you said about leadership and the vanity of leadership.
00:44:25.000I know that I can fall into that myself sometimes, you know, as a performer, as an entertainer.
00:44:31.000can be, I can slip into, I just want to be looked at rather than it being about an example
00:44:36.000and trying my best to instill and inspire, instill good values and inspire good values
00:44:41.000in other people. These things have taken a lot of work over the course of my life. But
00:44:46.000I want to touch upon this, like if you've got techniques for pull-ups, Bear, I need
00:44:50.000help because I've gotten myself into a pull-up competition with a Democrat presidential candidate
00:44:56.000and a Kennedy dynasty member, RFK, and he's really good at pull-ups. I think he can do
00:45:03.000like 28, look at the grip he's using there.
00:45:25.000I know we've only got limited time with you, Bear, so I'll just have a quick look at this This footage of Bear doing pull-ups and then perhaps Bear you'll be kind enough to give me some tips for how to beat RFK and raise some money.
00:46:30.000And also, the other thing, more importantly, Is vulnerability and what I love about you is that you don't mind being honest and being vulnerable and I think that matters more than any number of pull-ups because it's where vulnerability is where we create connections and I never want to be bracketed as just like
00:46:54.000I think it's about finding what feels true to you and following that, and that is courage.
00:46:59.000The one thing I noticed on Running Wild is that these stars are top of their game, and yet they arrive like you, totally trusting and vulnerable and out of their control, and they don't know what's ahead.
00:47:12.000And that, for me, is really interesting, because most people, when they get successful, sit inside their comfort zone, and they don't want to do anything that makes them look vulnerable, because they don't like that fragility.
00:47:24.000So they'll create these barriers and walls around of machismo, and it's like, look at me, you know?
00:47:30.000But actually, That's not a comfort zone, it's a comfort pit.
00:47:34.000It's somewhere we rot and decay and need to get out of fast.
00:47:37.000And great people, the people at the top of their game, like the Running Wildfolk, like yourself, are willing to be vulnerable because it's that uncomfortable muscle again of like, wow, here we go.
00:47:50.000I'm trusting somebody else with my next few days and my brand and all of this sort of stuff.
00:47:56.000And I admire that in you But vulnerability is harder.
00:48:02.000And it's interesting, again, the final point on Running Wild is that often the stars that are most reluctant to do it are the big action stars.
00:48:11.000And I won't name a few, but there have been certainly a lot over the years of going, I'll do it.
00:48:45.000I heard recently from someone who heard you speak that you're speaking for a group of young people, and they told me that everything you spoke about was your failures in life, times that you'd failed, times you'd slipped up, things you'd done wrong.
00:48:58.000And even though your name is literally Bear Grylls, So that does suggest a degree of masculinity and a bit of grr, grr, like almost onomatopoeically, in fact.
00:49:08.000You still do always make it clear that it's a very inclusive offering that you give that's open to anybody.
00:49:16.000And I think that you are a living embodiment, in fact, of the best aspects of all of the institutions that you've been a part of.
00:49:26.000These are all beautiful institutions that have great and high values, and I'm really grateful to be able to speak to you about that and so much more, and I'd keep you here all day, Bear, if it was up to me, because I've always got questions for you, but I'm mindful of your time, and I want to thank you, Bear, for trusting us once more in this conversation, and I'm very excited to watch in full.
00:49:44.000I may wait till August the 6th, when my episode of Running Wild is on Disney Channel, I guess, because it's part of National Geographic, but there's loads and loads of other episodes.
00:49:54.000So Lenski's done one, Bradley Cooper's done one, and did Benedict Cumberbatch do one?
00:50:57.000Just before Bear goes, I'll let you know that Running Wild, my one, airs on National Geographic on August 5th, but there are other episodes up now.
00:51:05.000And you can get tickets for Bear's festival, Gone Wild, which runs from 24th August to the 27th by going to gonewildfestival.com.
00:51:14.000We'll post all of the links in the chat.
00:52:20.000Remember, one of our key projects here is to merge together personal spiritual awakening Individual empowerment with new activated communities that can form new confederacies and alliances in spite of potential cultural differences.
00:52:34.000We don't need to argue with each other anymore about seeing the world differently.
00:52:37.000We can celebrate that and come together, unify and confront establishment power.
00:52:41.000Especially now that I know how to climb down a very tall cliff as long as Bear Grylls is there to coach me through every moment.
00:52:48.000Occasionally asking me to look down and frankly looking down was easier than looking up when he was there with his kilt and Oh well, I'll talk about that in my stand-up.
00:52:56.000Listen, if you want to join us on Locals, you bloody well should.
00:52:59.000Press the red button, you get early access to interviews.
00:53:01.000So in the event that we record something early, like tomorrow's interview with Oliver Stone, the great filmmaker and thinker, you'll be able to join us live for that.
00:53:09.000There's people like now, I love a kilt, says Little Renegade.
00:53:11.000Tamara Spencer, she's wishing people a happy day.
00:53:14.000Imagination, masculinity and femininity can unite any individual.
00:53:18.000Are you traumatised, says True Coimera.
00:53:24.000Now, there's been another incredible reproach to our freedom.
00:53:28.000I've talked to you so much about the surveillance state.
00:53:31.000We've talked continually about anti-protest laws and how they're emerging.
00:53:35.000We're talking to you continually about how your data is being captured and used by the state and private corporations to manipulate and control you.
00:53:41.000In this episode, we talk about Digital currencies.
00:53:44.000Do you know that 50% of the world's nation are piloting and augmenting new digital currencies?
00:54:38.000Now that it's Britcoin, it's fantastic.
00:54:40.000130 countries are ready to launch their own forms of CBDCs.
00:54:45.000And many of us have been fascinated by cryptocurrencies for a little while now.
00:54:49.000But in In many cases, that was because they were decentralized opportunities for us to trade without central regulatory authorities stepping in, taxing, controlling, limiting, mitigating, directing.
00:55:02.000They're seizing control of cryptocurrencies.
00:55:05.000Let's have a look at this and see, crucially, if we can stop it.
00:55:09.000The Federal Reserve Bank of New York's Innovation Center recently concluded a 12-week experiment in cahoots with the banking behemoths such as Citigroup Inc.
00:55:29.000Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell told the House Financial Services Committee in March that the Fed had already begun testing a digital dollar.
00:55:38.000What we're doing is experimenting in kind of early stage experimentation.
00:56:20.000Smear, discredit, shut down the opponents and get control of it!
00:56:24.000Just like paper dollars, a central bank digital currency, or CBDC, would be issued by the Federal Reserve.
00:56:32.000Those pushing for it say it would have several advantages over physical money.
00:56:36.000They say it could be used to fight inflation because the Fed would have more direct control over the money supply.
00:56:43.000What I want, at this time more than ever, is for the government and government institutions to have more control over my life than at any point in history.
00:56:51.000I mean, they're using that power and control so well.
00:56:54.000It could speed up transaction payments and help fight money laundering.
00:56:58.000Of course, that would mean that it could facilitate social credit scores.
00:57:02.000It would mean that the government, like in the trucker protests in Canada, will be able to shut down your bank accounts.
00:57:07.000There's been claims in the UK that people have had their bank accounts shut down or controlled.
00:57:11.000Obviously, the fear is that this will be used to grant control that will then be used in judiciously against you.
00:57:18.000The ability to track transactions has a couple of elements that are very attractive to economic policy makers.
00:57:26.000One is to know where people are spending their money.
00:57:28.000I don't want you to know where I'm spending my money.
00:58:59.000How about a Snickers bedspread and a Snickers lunchbox?
00:59:02.000How about a Snickers straight up your ass?
00:59:04.000And the government will be like, if you want this guy to do as you told, put a trail of Snickers that lead him into this iron box!
00:59:11.000With this new central bank digital currency, they will, because they maintain the ledger.
00:59:16.000So if I buy, you know, Ron DeSantis' new book, or go to a Donald Trump rally, or whatever it may be... That's a confusing morning.
00:59:23.000The government using artificial intelligence and having that information, which they would, are able to profile you.
00:59:29.000They say, well, this guy kind of looks like a conservative and maybe he's MAGA.
00:59:33.000And then you've got a target on your back.
00:59:35.000Once upon a time, the state had to go through a convoluted dance of data capture in order to get your commercial and private information that social media and private entities had already captured and bundled.
00:59:46.000Now they'll be able to directly track what you're doing because the currency itself is observable.
00:59:51.000monitorable, they'll know exactly what you're doing and of course presumably be
00:59:56.000able to prevent it. Where we've been for a while now is the behemoth social media
01:00:00.000entities have had that data, they've had that information, they understand how
01:00:05.000long your eyes are lingering on a particular picture, what you've clicked
01:00:09.000on, where you've gone, what you've searched, all that stuff is evidently
01:00:12.000being corralled, curated, put together, bundled and sold in a way that's
01:00:16.000incomprehensible to all but the most literate of us in these new digital
01:00:21.000The new precipice that's appearing is that the state and social media are cooperating and conspiring to a degree on how that information is used.
01:00:30.000And now what's happening is it's being converged and become concomitant with trade and expenditure.
01:00:36.000Ultimately, that means you can be totally excluded.
01:00:42.000They'll be able to say, oh, this person went here, went there, does this, does that.
01:00:45.000I don't think they should be able to participate in elections.
01:00:47.000Last year, a Canadian court froze millions of dollars raised for truckers blocking roads to protest COVID-19 vaccine mandates.
01:00:56.000When we talk about a globalist new order, a totalitarian state, even I, schooled as I am thanks to you, in the world of avant-garde conspiracy theory meets conspiracy fact, even I sometimes think these words seem ridiculous and these ideas seem implausible.
01:01:14.000We've already witnessed, as this news report responsibly observes, in Canada, bank accounts being frozen, transactions being prevented.
01:01:22.000Now what we're seeing is a further facility to do that.
01:01:25.000The old adage, that even to me seemed to make a kind of sense, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear, is becoming irrelevant because they decide what's meant by something to hide.
01:01:37.000You know, you and I might think, well, I'm not a paedophile.
01:01:56.000When the Pakistani government was faced with almost nonstop protests last year, it threatened to switch off the bank accounts of the protesters.
01:02:05.000Just think for a moment, that's a country like Canada, who are meant to be, if you're like me, anglophonic or North European, these kind of advanced post-colonial civilisations.
01:02:16.000That's a bastion country, Canada, isn't it?
01:02:18.000It's not even tarnished in the way that the British Empire is or the United States of America are, with being a great big force of injustice.
01:02:24.000Of course, Canada's got its own history when it comes to colonialism or whatever, but it's kind of neutral and kind.
01:02:30.000And then you've got a country like Pakistan, a post-imperial nation that was messed up by our country, Britain, that's Islamic, identifiably and observably, and is sometimes spoken of as being from another world, another time, third world, or whatever language people use these days.
01:02:45.000And both of them are doing the same thing.
01:02:48.000Can you not observe now that the tendency and the trend will be further and further cooperation between these territories, the establishment of a global elite that have their own treaties to protect one another, and the rest of us just become chattel.
01:03:17.000They're at the point where it's going to be for your safety, for your convenience, sit still and shut up.
01:03:24.000A digital dollar could not only be switched off, the Fed would be able to force negative interest rates on Americans if it wanted them to spend more, penalising savers.
01:03:35.000They'll be able to influence what your money is worth.
01:03:38.000You'll see that your money is suddenly worthless.
01:04:16.000There's a kind of mad and destabilizing nihilism in that.
01:04:19.000If you think how we evolved to live, I'm not talking about right and wrong.
01:04:22.000Those are difficult concepts for anybody to grasp, even though we all have our personal understanding of what they are.
01:04:26.000But what I'm talking about is evolution.
01:04:28.000For hundreds of thousands of years, possibly longer, we lived in small groups where you basically knew everyone, and you knew that our shared objective was to survive.
01:04:36.000This meant it was sensible to look after one another, it was sensible to have a relationship with the environment that was convivial, and also we Pre-industrialization and pre-agriculture, that's not even a matter for discussion.
01:04:46.000It's just an ordinary harmony that exists.
01:04:49.000Now we're in a space where everything is shifting.
01:04:52.000No one knows who they are, or what they are, or what's right and wrong, or what it's okay to say, or where it's okay to go, and what's good and what's bad.
01:04:58.000Where one minute we're being told it's perfectly safe to do this, then we learn it wasn't safe.
01:05:01.000That you have to stay in your home for these reasons, but actually that wasn't a good idea.
01:05:05.000That you have to stand this far apart from other people, but that was actually just made up on the spot.
01:05:09.000Can you see That there is no one in this world that you should be granting that degree of authority to.
01:05:17.000It's impossible to have that understanding.
01:05:19.000On the bank to bank level, a real-time payment system called FedNow is expected to begin in July.
01:05:26.000It's not a digital currency, but an upgrade to what some call our antiquated banking system.
01:05:32.000The FedNow service is an instant payments infrastructure that financial institutions can use to clear and settle payments instantly.
01:05:40.000Large bank deposits will be expected to clear much faster than they do now.
01:05:45.000Oh, dear old Kevin, just patiently standing there in his baker's outfit, little knowing that his bakery is going to be shut down if he dares to do anything that the government disapproves of.
01:05:53.000Oh, look, I can instantly be... That's right, Kevin.
01:05:56.000Put in jail for having a belief that we didn't like.
01:06:10.000They're now exploring digital versions of their currencies with almost half in advanced development, pilot or launch stages are closely followed study shows.
01:06:19.000Almost half are piloting or launching.
01:06:22.000That means it's almost irresistible at this point.
01:06:25.000The global push for CBDCs comes as physical cash use falls and authorities look to fend off the threat to their money printing powers from Bitcoin and big tech firms.
01:06:34.000This is like what's happening elsewhere online.
01:06:37.000The potential to free yourself exists, so they exert.
01:06:41.000The potential in independent media is to make mainstream media redundant.
01:06:45.000Oh no, they don't need us anymore, they're just talking to each other!
01:07:06.000They'll kind of have something to say about the pre-existing ones, so you have to use them, but they'll make it illegal, basically, to use anything except theirs, and then they'll shut you down if they don't like you.
01:07:13.000A digital version of the British Pound may feature a way to verify the holder's age and citizenship status, potentially smoothing the purchase of alcohol and tobacco in transactions with government agencies.
01:07:23.000The clues for how it will be used are already evident, because all it should be is a digital replica of a physical object.
01:07:33.000Oh, should we just add that we know how, uh, old you are and what your citizenship status is?
01:07:38.000Oh, yeah, I suppose that's no trouble.
01:07:39.000And also, we could know how healthy you are and what you believe in.
01:07:43.000Oh, yeah, that would be convenient, I suppose.
01:07:45.000And whether you took your medicine, just, you know, so we can be sure that you're healthy.
01:07:49.000And also, we could have little photographs of you.
01:07:54.000The Bank of England has hired digital payments platform Nugget to develop the digital currency's privacy and identity features as policy makers step up preparations for the currency dubbed Britcoin.
01:08:07.000Nugget's Chief Executive Officer Alistair Johnson Said that he regrets the name of Nuggets.
01:08:13.000Said that its technology would allow verification of a person's citizenship and for purchasing age-restricted products such as alcohol and cigarettes.
01:08:20.000These are the things that we all sort of basically agreed on.
01:08:34.000Right, we're gonna lock you in your house for ten years.
01:08:36.000Like, that is just sort of suddenly you've agreed to something.
01:08:39.000Social media platforms like TikTok and Snapchat will face possible shutdowns when they don't crack down on problematic content during riots under the European Union's Content Law Digital Service Act, Internal Commissioner Thierry Breton said on Monday.
01:08:52.000And what are they rioting about at the moment?
01:08:54.000passing laws that do not have the consensus of the French population that
01:08:57.000advantage globalist intentions rather than the ordinary population of France.
01:09:03.000They won't be able to discuss that on social media platforms. So censorship laws will
01:09:07.000prevent conversation. Digital currency laws will prevent transaction. It's a
01:09:11.000conspiracy theory that we're looking for social credit score.
01:09:13.000Well what are these two pieces of legislation then that could be used for that?
01:09:18.000What's the recent memory of the pandemic where it's already been admitted that it was mishandled, that there was an overreach of the state, that whether intentionally or not, advantaged corporate and state interest.
01:09:28.000Now you've got new tools that mean that your errors, let's call them errors, that your errors would be more profound and yet more compounded.
01:09:36.000Breton, a French politician, was responding in a French radio interview to comments by French President Emmanuel Macron that floated closing down some social media to clamp down on riots.
01:09:46.000The reason they're riots is because people are unhappy.
01:09:48.000That's why it's important that us, us lot, don't go, oh that's an insurrection that one, oh I don't like that one, because you don't agree with the issue.
01:09:55.000You have to say, if people are protesting, what are they protesting for?
01:09:59.000Is there a conversation that needs to be had?
01:10:01.000Whether it's being BLM, whether it's trans issues, whether it's January 6th.
01:10:04.000If we have the common sense, the open hearts, the open minds to go, even if I disagree with the issue, I'm going to listen to what they're saying, because otherwise what's going to happen is the state are going to use this to shut down protest, and then they'll use it how they want.
01:10:16.000It might not be Canadian truckers next time.
01:10:19.000It might not be George Floyd next time.
01:10:56.000But what I'm saying is, is we're on a scale.
01:10:58.000And the way that we prevent that scale sliding in the wrong direction is preserving free speech, individual liberty, control over finance, the ability for communities to determine how they live, what their religious credo is.
01:11:08.000These things are just vital and necessary and they shouldn't be being discussed.
01:11:11.000They're also cause for killing and burning of cars.
01:11:13.000They will be required to delete the content immediately.
01:11:16.000This is literally what happens in hypnosis and neuro-linguistic programming.
01:11:20.000Two verifiables followed by a suggestion, right?
01:11:23.000You don't want people killing, of course not.
01:11:25.000You don't want people burning cars, of course not.
01:11:31.000Revolt's not the same as killing and burning cars.
01:11:33.000What you've done there, you're conflating dissent with killing and burning.
01:11:36.000That means dissent becomes, well, that's the same as setting fire to a car.
01:11:40.000It's not the same to say, I disagree with you, I want to vote on that, our community wants to be outside of that ruling, what about my individual autonomy?
01:11:47.000What do you mean it's good to burn people's cars?
01:11:52.000Breton said in the interview on France Info, citing the Digital Services Act which will impose new requirements on large platforms from August 25.
01:12:00.000So they're noticing the capacity for social media platforms to allow dissent, or to permit dissent because it's free speech, they're looking at ways of shutting that down.
01:12:09.000Digital currency here, censorship there, stuck in the middle of you.
01:12:12.000If they fail to do so, they will be immediately sanctioned.
01:12:15.000We have teams who can intervene immediately, he said.
01:12:18.000If they don't act immediately, then yes, at that point, we'll be able not only to impose a fine, but also to ban the operation of the platforms on our territory.
01:12:25.000This Breton geezer, have a look at him.
01:12:46.00019 very large online platforms including TikTok, Snapchat, Instagram and Twitter will have to comply with new legal obligations to limit the spread of illegal and harmful content from next month.
01:12:56.000Platforms with over 45 million users in the EU will also have to hand the Commission a first detailed assessment of their major risks for users.
01:13:03.000They risk potential fines of up to 6% of their global revenue.
01:13:08.000It appears that centralist institutions, both financial and communicative, are further cooperating in order to shut down individual freedom.
01:13:18.000This is why I suppose we find ourselves in the complicated position of supporting, in particular, the free speech and freedom of people that we disagree with.
01:13:28.000Ideas that you don't agree with are more important than the ones you do agree with.
01:13:32.000Because otherwise they will use your natural inclinations, or your, not even natural, your current inclinations, preferences and tendencies to legitimize more censorship and more control.
01:13:42.000This is no longer a conspiracy theory.
01:13:46.000When it was Bitcoin and those other cryptocurrencies that you lot are well into, they were like, Oh no, hold on, this is bad, this is illegal, it's bad for the environment.
01:13:53.000Now they're doing it themselves because they don't have any principles.
01:13:57.000Cluster bombs are bad, cluster bombs are good.
01:13:59.000Cluster bombs are bad, cluster bombs are good.
01:14:02.000Nothing makes any sense to them except more dominion, more control, more power, more money.
01:14:06.000And in order for them to do that, they have to shut down your financial freedom.
01:14:10.000They have to shut down your free speech freedom.
01:14:11.000They have to shut down your freedom to move around.
01:14:14.000These are the lines that have to be drawn in the sand.
01:14:17.000These are the issues you have to stand firm on.
01:14:19.000We will not be able to do it if we're devoted to individual preference and individual prejudice.
01:14:23.000We must, must overcome our individual prejudice in order to stand firm together.