James O'Keefe's latest expose of BlackRock raises new questions about the power of money in politics, corruption and influence peddling by the world's largest financial institutions. Does BlackRock own some of the most powerful political institutions in the world? Or do they just make up the names on their list of powerful people who can buy political power through bribery and corruption? Or is there a deeper, darker side to the story that we ve all been missing for a long time? This week on Rumble, we take a deep dive into the BlackRock corruption and bribery allegations, and examine the veracity of these claims. We'll be talking to James O'Keeffe in a minute about his latest expose, and we'll be joined by Dr. Mark Hyman, who will help us to expose the medical-industrial-complex. We'll also be talking about the JFK vs. RFK debate, and who's paying the price for it? Subscribe to Rumble to get exclusive episodes exclusively on the home of free speech, RUMBLE every Monday morning. Subscribe and comment to stay up to date with all the latest news and discussion on all things free speech and democracy! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss out on the latest episodes of Rumble and The Dark Side Of... Subscribe, Subscribe, Share and Shout Out! Subscribe to our newest podcast, The Dark Lord Podcast! on Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your favourite podcast listening to podcasts and social media platforms! And don't forget to tell a friend about what you're listening to! and what you think about it on your favourite podcaster! Subscribe! You'll get 10% off your favourite streaming platform and get 20% off the latest episode of the show on the next episode of and more! FREE MONEY! Get in touch here: bit.co.ee/RUMBLE Subscribe & subscribe to our new episodes only on iTunes and other places where they'll be getting a chance to win a FREE PRODUCEDUCATION AND PROMOTIONAL PODCAST Learn more about your ad choices and more like that too get 7% FREE PROODS AND FREE PROMO CODE CHECK OUT AND MORE FREE FAST FOLLOWING USED TO WIN VIP SUPPORT THE FUTURE TO WIN A PROOFTIES AND PROOFS AND PRIZES!
00:00:41.000He makes awakening wonders and it's awakening wonders I'm addressing right now whether you're watching us on Twitter, YouTube or our ultimate home, the home of free speech, Rumble.
00:01:44.000Later on, we're going to be talking to Dr. Mark Hyman.
00:01:46.000He's going to help us to expose the medical-industrial complex.
00:01:50.000You name it these days, they've got an industrial complex.
00:01:53.000There's the censorship-industrial complex.
00:01:55.000On tomorrow, I'm going to be talking to Schellenberger and Taibbi, those couple of showboating charlatans.
00:02:02.000I'll be talking to them about censorship, and we'll be broadcasting that soon exclusively on Rumble.
00:02:07.000Our main story that we're focusing on, and you're going to need to click Rumble in the link if you're watching us on YouTube to see us get deep.
00:02:14.000With this particular subject is the Black Rock revelatory video.
00:02:17.000Now, of course, James O'Keefe, he's famous for his performance in Oklahoma.
00:02:22.000He's famous for his expose of a former farmer worker, in particular a Pfizer worker's revelations around, you know, stuff we can't talk about on YouTube.
00:02:32.000Well he's gone and done it again, this time it's with Blackrock.
00:02:35.000Now what we're interested in here is the fact that these kind of stories, in particular a story that appears to suggest that you can purchase political power through donations, Bribery.
00:02:51.000You let me know in the comments and chat what word you think is appropriate.
00:02:53.000If you're watching us on Rumble, by the way, why don't you click the red button.
00:03:07.000What we know about Black They're the third largest economic entity in the world.
00:03:13.000We bought you a fantastic story about how they've done a deal with Ukraine to rebuild Ukraine after the war, setting up corporate contracts, construction contracts.
00:03:24.000We know that BlackRock is an extraordinarily powerful entity, so these allegations that BlackRock engage in the...
00:03:34.000But, you know, potentially bribery and bias, acquiring biases from, shall we say, participants in the political game is potentially groundbreaking.
00:03:42.000One of the things we wanted to point out that the individual, the individual subject, the guy that's, you know, the recipient of the sting there, the person who's, like, made these revelations, he's not really important.
00:06:06.000And you know he's talking to a woman, the lady operating this sting is a woman, so he's blatantly trying to impress her with language like that.
00:07:01.000I imagine he knows what he's doing, dear old Larry Fink.
00:07:04.000What will happen, I suppose, and let me know in the comments in the chat, join us on Rumble, press the red button, is that BlackRock will deny the credibility of the story, say that they're not really associated with him, it'll become a tribalised debate and argument, and the mainstream media won't report on it.
00:07:18.000That's primarily what will happen, and those of us that have long suspected that politicians can be acquired through money will continue to believe that, and people that Sort of just want things to basically stay the same, won't bother to interrogate the subject.
00:07:33.000Together, BlackRock and Vanguard own 18% of Fox News, perhaps that's why it's not getting covered, 16% of CBS, 13% of Comcast, which owns MSNBC and CNBC.
00:07:42.000The very fact that those three entities are owned by one conglomeration is interesting, isn't it?
00:07:48.000And the Sky Media Group, that's in our country, 12% of CNN, 12% of Disney.
00:07:52.000That's a considerable amount of media influence.
00:10:44.000Let me know in the chat if this is an astonishing revelation or if these are the kind of things you've long assumed if you've known since God, basically the 1960s, that the state operates on behalf of corporate interests.
00:10:56.000It's a trend that's been getting worse and worse, and you can track it through various administrations, till we reach this point.
00:11:02.000Corporate gigantism, where democracy becomes almost redundant, where there's no trust in any institutions at all.
00:11:08.000Not media, not government, not electoral, democracy itself.
00:11:12.000Are you surprised by these revelations?
00:11:16.000What do you think's the most interesting thing about them?
00:11:18.000I know that what you think is important is the idea that war is being used to mobilise profit.
00:11:22.000Yeah, I mean, when he's talking there about wheat and Ukraine and how the prices fluctuate due to that and how BlackRock can profit from that, I mean, we know that that's happening anyway.
00:11:30.000We know that the kind of food crisis is going on in the US and in the UK or across Europe at the moment.
00:11:36.000It's to do with the price gouging of companies that are using the opportunity for war to charge people more.
00:11:43.000That is something that goes on and that the companies that do it lobby Congress.
00:11:48.000They spend millions lobbying Congress to mean that Biden and the rest of the government don't do anything about it.
00:11:54.000You know, when it comes to another element of the war, weapons, I mean that some of the largest weapons companies in the world, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, have been since the start of the Ukraine war bragging to investors that tensions between the countries are good for business.
00:12:08.000BIA systems have gone up 32%, Lockheed Martin have gone up 14%.
00:12:12.000These aren't, I guess, you know, it's interesting to see someone actually on camera admitting it, but these things are things that we already know about through just literally what's happening.
00:12:22.000ApologeticPest says in the locals chat, I'm not sure why we're watching some clip of a smug millennial talking, eating Chinese food and talking about wheat shortages.
00:12:31.000We are a hardened and skeptical crew, aren't we?
00:12:42.000James O'Keefe, who broke this story, is going to be joining us in just a few minutes.
00:12:48.000And you can post your questions for him here in the chat, and we'll ask him some stuff that I suppose takes him to the very limit of his capabilities.
00:12:55.000Yeah, the other element, obviously, what we're talking about here is that kind of collusion between government and company, massive corporate companies like BlackRock.
00:13:01.000when we come to the Ukraine reconstruction and BlackRock's part in that.
00:13:05.000So it says here, there's an article by Caitlin Johnson, critics have complained that BlackRock's new role in
00:13:09.000Ukraine could draw accusations of corruption
00:13:12.000with some noting that the company's managing director, Eric Van Norstrand, was hired straight
00:13:17.000into a senior advisory position in the Biden administration's treasury department
00:13:20.000just this past August, explicitly to shape US economic policy on Russia and
00:16:30.000So I mean, I think we're waking people up with this expose because then you say, well, it's just one guy or one individual, but the organization is made up of individuals.
00:16:40.000So in order to expose the collective, you have to expose the individual bit by bit and we have more coming.
00:16:46.000So that's what I would say in response to that.
00:16:48.000What do you say to when people offer the assessment that Blackrock and Vanguard are such vast financial entities that comprise so many disparate investments that to regard them as a sort of solid conglomerate in the same way you might something like Facebook or Alphabet or whatever is a sort of a misdiagnosis.
00:17:10.000What is the significance of Blackrock's power and what is the significance of the revelations this young man has made?
00:17:17.000Well, BlackRock is so significant that when you actually search this video, which this video has hundreds of thousands of likes, tens of millions of views, it's trending on Twitter, you can't actually find the video on Google.
00:17:30.000And maybe you say, well, Google, BlackRock owns 6.5% of Google, that's $45 billion, of a $1.5 trillion market cap.
00:17:42.000I didn't even realize how powerful they were when I did that Pfizer story.
00:17:45.000I didn't realize that if you look at the equity owners of Fox News, And the equity owners of Pfizer, BlackRock owns a significant share of that.
00:18:21.000Now my sense is that people that are watching us right now on Rumble are already awakening.
00:18:26.000Press the red button, join us over on Locals, get the neat gear.
00:18:30.000It is pretty astonishing to learn that Google are able to censor and contain such a revelation.
00:18:38.000So do you imagine then that there are direct conversations such as were revealed in the Twitter files where the representatives of BlackRock simply contact people at Google and say we'd rather that that search didn't show up.
00:18:50.000And I suppose that legislation and regulation is always introduced to say protect us from harmful or sexually explicit materials and then they just use that kind of administration to censor essentially.
00:19:03.000Almost certainly, but they don't get revealed until years later.
00:19:08.000We got some Department of Homeland Security guy emailing the Twitter people, this is before Elon bought the company, saying we need to suppress this James O'Keefe.
00:19:25.000And one of the remarkable things about these videos that we do is we break these stories and it inspires other people Inside BlackRock, even today they're reaching out to me.
00:19:34.000Some of them are probably trying to sting me, but others actually are giving me information.
00:19:40.000So it kind of generates a momentum of other people that want to blow the whistle, like this guy did unwittingly.
00:19:47.000Wow, so you think it creates a culture where people feel more empowered and entitled to speak out?
00:19:53.000I suppose when the moral veracity of an entire military endeavor is up for question, we already pontificated at length and provided some interesting demonstrations of the way that Post-war, presumed in a much-required post-war climate, Black Rock have done deals with Zelensky to participate in the construction, that they want to make it a digital nation.
00:20:18.000I wonder sometimes, James, what kind of revelations it's going to take for people to stop participating.
00:20:26.000I recognize that you use a degree of sensationalism.
00:20:28.000That's because I believe at heart you are a showman.
00:20:31.000Do you think that people need sensationalism in order to be Well, you need a little bit of sensationalism and you need to be a little bit of a thespian to expose them in the first place.
00:20:49.000Like, to get in there and go get the information and present yourself as something that you're not, to ingratiate yourself with the subject.
00:20:55.000I think individually, taking one video at a time, none of this perhaps alone can change things, but collectively they can change things.
00:21:16.000Like a thespian that I am, he got up and he walked down the street, this is New York City, into the police station and he invited me into the police station with him.
00:21:25.000Now I wasn't certain whether he's trying to turn himself into the police, usually criminals run away from the police not towards them, or it was a weird moment in time, highly entertaining, quite bizarre, but the cognitive dissonance when these people are exposed I think it's, this is a movement where you release one video, that inspires the next video, which inspires the next, and it just sort of creates this momentum.
00:21:49.000At O'KeefeMediaGroup.com, we got whistleblowers coming to us, DMing us right now, live, in my office, people come in saying there's things happening, I can't tell you what's happening, but more videos are coming out this week from within BlackRock.
00:22:02.000I suppose one of the things this indicates is that crime has become a subjective and shifting concept, i.e.
00:22:12.000as Nixon famously said, it's not crime when the president does it.
00:22:18.000And now what we have is a state where it's not criminal when BlackRock do it.
00:23:11.000What we do has the power to create morality because we patrol the boundaries of what is moral and immoral
00:23:21.000by testing what shocks people's conscience.
00:23:24.000You say it doesn't shock your conscience, but you're a few standard deviations away from the average, Russell.
00:23:30.000Most people, some people, are literally a slumber.
00:23:34.000But most of those people are also afraid.
00:23:37.000So, speaking of being groped, I was in Nashville, this is last week, most people recognize me, and when they don't like me, they say nothing.
00:23:45.000And if they like me, they say something.
00:23:47.000So, you know, you probably experienced something similar, I suppose.
00:23:50.000So, I'm in Nashville at the TSA line, and this guy, this TSA agent, definitely recognizes me.
00:23:55.000Rather than just ignore me, he says, come here.
00:23:57.000He says, you want it in the private room, or do you want... I said, I want to do it in front of everybody.
00:24:04.000Everyone and then I make sure I get a camera person to record it and he takes his hand and he really touches me all over all over the place.
00:24:12.000I usually I say I almost said what you got to take me to dinner first, right if you're going to behave that way, but we got it on video.
00:25:09.000I take that to mean that we've lost James O'Keefe, possibly because he fears another fondling at the hands of overzealous Homeland Security.
00:25:28.000Because in a minute, we're going to be speaking to Dr. Mark Hyman, who's going to bust apart some of your preconceptions about big food and big pharma.
00:26:52.000I mean, I think the debate goes on, mate.
00:26:55.000Maximatitis444, love all the UFO conversations on the show recently, but looking at the state of the US, I can see why ET has decided not to make contact.
00:27:03.000Here's some stuff on censorship, RFK and Rogan and Hortense.
00:27:07.000We're going to be looking at that in depth in just a few minutes.
00:27:12.000And I think we actually bring some real weight to the conversation.
00:28:51.000He's got golf equipment in those secret boxes.
00:28:54.000I think it's time now to take a look into the stinking, seething, nipple-strewn underbelly of big food And Big Pharma with Dr. Mark Hyman.
00:29:08.000He's a family physician, international leader in the field of functional medicine, and best-selling author, whose book, Young Forever, is out now.
00:29:17.000We'll post a link to that in the chat.
00:30:16.000Are you doing this by avoiding the toxins in our food?
00:30:20.000How are we to literally, Doctor, cheat Sweet Lady Death?
00:30:25.000Well, I basically don't listen to the advice of the medical system or the recommendations of our government or food industry, which are all promulgating theories about Health, I have nothing to do with health.
00:31:23.000But perhaps more importantly, are you suggesting that the medical industry and the food industry are conspiring to keep us in a cycle of sickness, seeing us as sort of consuming blobs that remain forever ill?
00:31:35.000But deal with me first and then move on to everyone else in the world.
00:31:45.000As far as the food industry, the ag industry, the farm industry, the medical industry, it's really a big one medical industrial complex and we are in a situation that is You know, unlike anything we've ever seen before.
00:31:57.000We've seen a global increase in obesity from when I was born about 3 to 5% and now we're 42% in America.
00:32:03.000We're seeing 93% of Americans poor metabolic health and it's really driven by our food system that keep people going into the health care system and it's a perfect kind of virtuous or vicious cycle, if you will, of bad food creating chronic disease that's then taken care by the medical system that's paid for by tax dollars and that's driven by lobbying and research and the co-opting of professional groups,
00:32:30.000the co-opting of social groups, the creating of front groups to confuse the public.
00:32:34.000It's really a very well orchestrated strategy to keep it from the truth of what creates health
00:32:47.000Are we continuing to eat precisely because they are being lobbied for, because that information is not being conveyed?
00:32:54.000What should we stop eating immediately?
00:32:56.000And what do we do about, is it a fallacy that it's just expensive to eat well and eat healthy,
00:33:00.000that it's expensive to eat healthy food, and that it's just easier to glug down salt and syrup
00:33:06.000and sugar all day long, nihilistically, waiting away like some lilo on a couch?
00:33:13.000Well, it's true that we are all promoted these foods, but they're not necessarily cheaper.
00:33:20.000They're subsidized in part by government and industry, and they're made, these processed foods are really cheap,
00:33:26.000but that's not actually expensive to eat well if you know what you're doing.
00:33:30.000And in terms of the overall strategy of the food industry, it's to produce large amounts of ultra-processed food
00:33:37.000from three main ingredients, corn, wheat, and soy.
00:33:40.000that are turning all kinds of shapes, colors, sizes of chemically excreted food-like substances that have nothing to do with health or food, and that we consume at an enormous volume.
00:33:48.00060% of our diet in America is ultra-processed food, 67% of kids diet, and for every 10% of your diet that's ultra-processed food, your risk of death goes up by 14%.
00:33:56.000This is the number one killer period in the planet. And on top of that, you know, we,
00:34:01.000the rest of our diet is pretty low in good stuff. So we have lots of bad stuff and very low good
00:34:06.000stuff like fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds, whole foods. And so we're ending up driving our
00:34:11.000bodies into this catastrophic state where six out of 10 Americans have a chronic disease,
00:34:36.000Throughout the pandemic period we talked about the problem of comorbidities and how vulnerable people with comorbidities were, but now it seems that there's an epidemic of comorbidities.
00:34:46.000Plainly awareness and education are part of this, but this feels like a much bigger political problem.
00:34:53.000Do you offer, Dr Mark, that what's required is nothing less than a revolution in agriculture that leads to the localisation of the food supply chain?
00:35:02.000A revolution in The big food industry to regulate against it, to prevent them from lobbying, from shutting down the self-funded regulatory bodies that permit this kind of behaviour, and a revolution in pharma.
00:35:18.000We need to change our food system from field to fork.
00:35:20.000We need to change all our food policies to support the right thing rather than the wrong thing.
00:35:23.000You know, right now, Russell, we have, for example, a food system where we're not paying the true cost of food.
00:35:29.000For every dollar we spend on food, according to the Rockefeller Foundation, there's three extra dollars spent on the downstream costs, whether it's the damage to our soils, loss of biodiversity, the depletion of our water resources, the destruction of the soil, which leads to Carbon in the atmosphere, I mean one third of all the carbon in the atmosphere today for climate change comes from the destruction of our soil through our modern farming practices.
00:35:50.000And then our food is more nutritionally depleted.
00:35:52.000So we're driving huge amounts of production of the wrong foods, not enough of the right foods, and it's creating this epidemic.
00:35:59.000And I think You know, when you look at the food industry, it's the largest industry on the planet.
00:36:18.000And it's a huge amount of money at stake.
00:36:21.000That's propagating farming in ways that use heavy doses of fertilizer, which uses about 1 to 2% of all global energy, about 10% of greenhouse gas emissions.
00:36:31.000It pollutes our waterways, rivers, and lakes, causing eutrophication, which kills all the wildlife and fish in the water.
00:36:39.000And we deplete our soils as well by chemical spraying.
00:36:42.000We deplete the microbiome of the soil.
00:36:44.000So our food now is 50% less nutritious than it was 50 years ago, less vitamins and minerals and nutrients.
00:36:50.000And we're actually seeing land being degraded at such a rate that we're creating a new desert the size of Nicaragua every year.
00:37:06.000And unless we revolutionize the way we grow food, the food we produce, the food we market, the food we eat, we're in trouble.
00:37:16.000I don't think we can get there, but we're in trouble right now.
00:37:19.000I wonder if you feel, Mark, that the desacralization of food, the desacralization of our relationship with the land, with the soil, with the plants and animals that we eat, is in part responsible.
00:37:34.000The fact that this insidious, invasive ideology of commodity has so detached us from the Conscious component that eating in all healthy cultures contains is partly to blame.
00:37:49.000Whether it's the Mediterranean or the Indian subcontinent, so-called, people sacralise, and even Christian Northern European cultures say in grace, recognising that our relationship with food is part of our symbiotic connection to nature.
00:38:05.000The loss of this awareness, is it part of the problem?
00:38:08.000And perhaps somewhat less Esoterically, Katie in the chat says, do you think all this is causing my thyroid condition?
00:38:15.000Could you do both of those for us, Mark?
00:38:19.000I don't know about the thyroid condition, but actually chemical spraying and pesticides are a big source of thyroid issues.
00:38:27.000And so is gluten, which has changed in our food supply because of the hybridization of wheat.
00:38:33.000It's created dwarf wheat, which has far more gluten proteins that are far more inflammatory.
00:38:37.000So in part, yes, because of that, you might be increasing your thyroid risk.
00:38:42.000But I think the reality is that we have become disconnected from the land.
00:38:47.000We have been disconnected from our food source.
00:38:50.000In America, about 2% of the people were not farmers at the turn of the 1900s.
00:40:31.000We don't have a jingle for Gareth flirts with Dr Mark Hyman.
00:40:35.000Although, oh god, I can only imagine what Jack, Bad Graphics Jack, would conjure up with that brief.
00:40:41.000I was just wondering, you talked a lot about the way in which we're being poisoned by the foods that we're eating that are making us sick.
00:40:47.000I guess the other element to this is the drugs that we're being told to take to make us better.
00:40:54.000And when we have a situation where drug studies are sponsored by drug companies and the FDA is funded by the pharmaceutical companies that it's meant to regulate, are we at a point where the drugs, I guess, you know, obviously this has been raised a lot during the pandemic, but the drugs that we're being told to take to lessen the issues of the things that are making us sick, Aren't the things that we should be taking.
00:41:20.000There are drugs that we shouldn't be taking at all and different drugs that we could be taking that would be more effective.
00:41:28.000Yeah, listen, pharmaceutical drugs have a role, and they can benefit many people for many things.
00:41:32.000But they're now being prescribed in ways that actually don't, for the most part, help people create health.
00:41:39.000They're treating symptoms and diseases, and they often come with significant side effects.
00:41:43.000And the problem with research is that it's primarily funded by industry.
00:41:46.000Whether it's nutrition research, 12 times as much money is flowing into nutrition research as the government funding of research.
00:41:55.000And the findings of those food industry sponsored studies are 8 to 50 times more
00:41:59.000likely to show a positive benefit for their product. Like if dairy is seen to be a sports drink, well
00:42:04.000guess what, it's going to work if it's funded by the Dairy Council. And same thing with
00:42:08.000pharmaceutical industry. You know, the frightening thing is that, you know, a pharmaceutical
00:42:13.000industry has to submit all their data to the FDA for review and then the FDA will approve the drug or will
00:42:19.000not approve the drug. But they don't have to publish all the data.
00:42:24.000So they just publish the positive data that they kind of twist and contort and adjust and make statistical manipulations to make it seem good.
00:42:33.000Well, they don't actually publish the negative data.
00:42:36.000And this is quite concerning to me because we don't actually have true transparency about what we're taking and its impact, its benefit, and its risks.
00:42:42.000And most drugs are marginally effective, you know, and they don't reverse the disease.
00:42:46.000And you can't reverse diabetes with a drug.
00:42:49.000You can manage it, but the only place diabetes is cured is on the farm, in the grocery store, in the restaurants, in the kitchen.
00:42:55.000I can't cure it in my office with a medication.
00:42:57.000And I see it all the time when you actually Treat people by creating health using functional medicine, which is really the science of creating health.
00:43:09.000It works to actually reverse disease, whether it's autoimmune diseases, cardiovascular diseases, metabolic disease like diabetes, digestive problems, mood disorders.
00:43:17.000And where, you know, medication is important, but it's not the solution for most of the problems people have.
00:43:23.000And I think we need to move away from our reductionist model, which is you treat a single disease with a single drug, which is really predominantly how research is done, and look at how do we start to understand the science of what is health?
00:43:36.000How do we create it through an intervention, set of interventions that actually work, like lifestyle, what you eat, how you move, your sleep, stress, you know, the right practices in your life, community, meaning, belonging, purpose.
00:43:48.000Those are all the ingredients for health.
00:43:49.000Dr Mark Hyman, thank you for outlining that with such clarity and expertise.
00:43:55.000I'm watching the chat on Locals, you can press the red button if you want to join it and people value your contribution and content.
00:44:02.000And a lot of people think you look like Jon Stewart.
00:44:43.000So much for puncturing so many of our preconceptions.
00:44:47.000Thank you for breaching many of our ideas about Big Food and Big Pharma and taking our cherry when it came to the simple naivety around our preconceptions around Big Food and Big Pharma.
00:45:26.000But if you want to see professionalism, you'll see it tomorrow, because Yoga with Adrian Starr, Adrian Mischler will be on the show, helping us to spiritually awaken through yoga.
00:45:39.000And if you've ever wanted to see me do yoga, you bloody well will.
00:45:42.000And if you haven't wanted to, I suppose you just don't have to watch it, it's not mandatory.
00:45:46.000Listen, if you want to join our locals community, press the red button.
00:45:49.000You'll get early access to interviews.
00:45:51.000You better join us live for these conversations when we have people on like RFK, Jordan Peterson, Eckhart Tolle, all sorts of people gather around the digital campfire that is happening.
00:46:21.000Now, do you... Listen, when are we going to see a debate?
00:46:24.000I want to see a debate between that fella in the dickie bow tie, Peter Hotez, And RFK, Rumble's latest star, newest acquisition, our colleague.
00:46:37.000Because, like, you know, when people say, oh, right-wing conspiracy theorist.
00:46:40.000With him, they just have to go, left-wing conspiracy theorist.
00:46:43.000I mean, they'll find some way of smearing him, poor sod.
00:46:45.000But for now, at least he's got free speech.
00:46:48.000But will we see him debate Dr. Peter Hotez?
00:46:52.000Why is it That science is more and more resembling dogma, and that we are unable to have a discourse around important issues that is inclusive, respectful, and loving.
00:47:04.000Join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.
00:47:44.000During the pandemic period, there plainly was censorship.
00:47:47.000It's now been admitted that true information was censored, shut down, taken off social media sites, asked for a bunch of things to be censored that in retrospect ended up being debatable or true.
00:47:57.000In order, in fact, to ensure that a prevailing mentality went unchallenged.
00:48:02.000Because of powerful media figures like Joe Rogan being able to bypass the attempts of the mainstream to censor them, we now live in a different space.
00:48:20.000Whether you love Elon Musk or loathe him, you have to acknowledge that he is facilitating a different type of debate.
00:48:26.000Enter into this conversation RFK, a politician with a powerful surname and very strong views on certain medications.
00:48:32.000The establishment now cannot avoid conversation, discourse and debate without censorship, without smearing, without shutting down conversations on the basis of it being misinformation or malinformation.
00:48:49.000Let me know in the comments what exactly you feel about the ongoing debate around medications and restrictions and regulations that were implemented during the pandemic period.
00:48:59.000Let's have a look at this Twitter spat, this Twitter brawl, this Twitter rumble and see can we have grown-up adult conversations in good faith that are directed towards finding mutually beneficial solutions that take into account that science is often a subset of capitalism and commercial
00:49:18.000incentives, that the state has been negligent in certain areas,
00:49:21.000but we have to be able to enter into good faith conversations
00:49:24.000where all sides are listened to appropriately.
00:49:27.000Let's have a look at Dr. Peter Hotez now on MSNBC's show with Mehdi Hussain
00:49:31.000to see what claims he's made that have caused this ferrari to escalate
00:49:36.000to the point where it's become a global social media phenomena.
00:49:39.000So the point is anti-vaccine disinformation.
00:49:42.000As soon as I see the spectacles and the bow tie, I think this is not someone who can go toe-to-toe with Joe
00:50:03.000Because actually what we're trying to deal with is information.
00:50:05.000You know we've had RFK on our show, you know I've been on Joe Rogan's show a bunch of times,
00:50:09.000we're still organising our Elon Musk conversation, and I'm friendly with Mehdi Hussain.
00:50:14.000So many of the people involved in this I'm familiar with, friendly with.
00:50:18.000What we're keen to support is the possibility of a conversation about the efficacy of medication,
00:50:24.000the mainstream media's appetite for censorship, the possibility that the pharmaceutical industry
00:50:29.000needs to be radically regulated in a new way, and that the mainstream media needs to responsibly
00:50:35.000report on all sides of the conversation.
00:50:37.000He, Dr. Peter Hotez, he's just another human being.
00:50:40.000He's not the living totem pole of the system's desire to vaccinate.
00:50:45.000I'm sure he's got very particular perspectives.
00:50:47.000I understand that maybe he's got an autistic kid, has he?
00:50:49.000I mean, you've got to be kind of sympathetic towards him on that basis.
00:50:52.000Doesn't he advocate for vaccines being available without patent in territories where they aren't being overly commercialized and they're not unduly profitable?
00:51:00.000We don't need to get into a situation where we victimise any individual, although culturally I guess it's pretty obvious that I have more in common with RFK than Elon Musk when it comes to this particular issue.
00:51:10.000But what's more important than those kind of affiliations and that kind of natural affinity is good faith conversations.
00:51:17.000Where we have to get to is the point where you sort of calmly, patiently listen to people that you disagree with and then present your perspective on the situation.
00:51:25.000What is assumed at the moment is we live in a system where both sides want to seize control and annihilate the other side, whether that's the Democrats and Republicans in American politics, even though both sides are owned by the same corporate interests.
00:51:38.000And even around this vaccine debate, I think a lot of people feel they were shut down during the pandemic period, like those of us that were like, whoa, are we?
00:51:52.000Shouldn't we be eating well and doing exercise?
00:51:53.000And Joe Rogan was carrying a lot of those messages as a result of conversations with experts.
00:51:57.000So I imagine he feels somewhat frustrated.
00:51:59.000Then someone like RFK, him being dismissed as a sort of a wackadoodle, I guess he's going to be pretty antagonistic.
00:52:04.000So both sides have at different points engaged in the conversation in rhetorical ways that are not advantageous to a beneficiary.
00:52:12.000Unofficial, agreeable consensus being achieved.
00:52:16.000We can't be flag-waving and snarling and teeth-bearing with something as important as this.
00:52:21.000This isn't about victory for a side, this is about victory for humanity.
00:52:24.000I offered to come and talk to Joe Rogan again, I've been on a couple of times, and have that discussion with him, but not to turn it into the Jerry Springer show with having RFK Jr.
00:52:35.000It's sad because I said I'm so fed up with the debate me debate me.
00:52:38.000You've already spoken and written about Covid vaccines.
00:52:41.000I think you've been on MSNBC and other channels hundreds of times since the start of the pandemic.
00:52:46.000That somewhat glosses over the plain observable fact That during the period between the end of 2019 to where we are now, there have been a good many revelations about the nature of the vaccines, their efficacy and regulations that were taken during lockdown that have been disproven, challenged, debated, among the most notably that the mainstream media and social media participated with the state and state agencies in censoring and controlling the narrative.
00:53:15.000If you want to take that in the most optimistic way, In order that we all are protected and kept safe?
00:53:22.000But you know if you're a person that doubts the motives of the state and corporations the whole thing becomes a little more complex.
00:53:28.000Wouldn't it be nice to see Mehdi Hussein say look let's be honest since the beginning of the pandemic it's become pretty clear that many things that were said on this very channel were not true and that people like Joe Rogan were vilified.
00:53:39.000An RFK who's a valid voice who's done a lot of research into this subject and written a best-selling book ought be included in the conversation and it's plain that people are trying to shut Everyone just doubles down on their own side the whole time.
00:53:53.000You never hear these types of media outlets go, we shouldn't have said Ivermectin is a horse paste.
00:54:23.000That's what tribalism and oppositionism leads to.
00:54:26.000A kind of aggressive, testosterone-fuelled judgement when what might be better is a little yielding, open-mindedness and observation of what the actual target and what the actual intentions are.
00:54:39.000And I would say, I don't know if you've agreed to debate or not.
00:54:43.000And people might find that surprising because I wrote a book about debate.
00:54:46.000But I just think there's a time and a place for a debate.
00:54:48.000The time and the place for debate is situations where we get to propagate one particular view and we don't have to acknowledge mistakes and errors that have been made.
00:54:56.000But I would say a conversation between someone like RFK, who, to use the British phrase, knows his onions, someone like Peter Hotez, who's clearly scientifically grounded, would be valuable if it was done in the right spirit.
00:55:07.000In my personal opinion, Joe Rogan's exactly the person to curate such a debate because he's shown that he's for real.
00:55:13.000The thing that he does, he's done when there was no money in it.
00:55:21.000He's not doubling down and advocating for a particular point of view.
00:55:24.000That's my opinion, but I've got my own biases, obviously.
00:55:27.000Let me know in the comments if you agree.
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00:57:06.000The people that were saying that, We're wrong about so many vital issues that they've discredited almost the concept of being an expert.
00:57:15.000Because an expert that is funded by certain financial interests, that operates to support and lobby for certain financial interests, isn't really an expert at all.
00:57:24.000It's just an object of the new orthodoxy that promulgates a particular message.
00:57:29.000Science has to be an ongoing discourse that incorporates information from both sides.
00:57:34.000This, perhaps above all else, is a subject that does need to be debated because here's what I believe.
00:57:39.000The pandemic was exploited and utilized in order to create opportunities to regulate and profit.
00:57:45.000Not saying that the pandemic wasn't a real thing, it was exploited the same way that every crisis is exploited.
00:57:51.000That's a piece of long-standing left-wing analysis.
00:57:57.000But in science, we don't typically do debates.
00:58:00.000What we do is we write scientific papers, we present our findings in front of a critical audience of our peers to solicit their input and suggestions, but one doesn't typically debate science.
00:58:12.000What type of science are we talking about when Pfizer lobbied to have the information concealed and not revealed for 75 years?
00:58:19.000What kind of science do you have when increasingly people think that this virus emerged from a scientific laboratory in Wuhan that was funded by scientific interests in the United States of America?
00:58:29.000of course means the analysis of data through experimentation and verification. It's not
00:58:53.000Even there, what's being doubled down on is a kind of materialistic world view that has
00:58:58.000As in the exact elitism that people are getting sick of.
00:59:02.000That's why debate and conversation is important.
00:59:05.000Only the studies that are funded are getting done.
00:59:07.000The way that the information is presented is often dubious.
00:59:10.000Sometimes trials are carried out numerous times and the FDA, for example, the regulatory body of the pharmaceutical industries in the United States is funded to the tune of 75% at least by those pharmaceutical companies.
00:59:22.000So to suggest that science is a catch-all way of denying corruption or potential opposition is exactly the same way that the church 500 years ago would have said, yeah, but God says it's wrong.
00:59:32.000It's just the use of an authoritarian symbol to shut down debate.
00:59:37.000Dr. Peter Hotez, the Dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, told MSNBC's Mehdi Hassan that he'd been the target of an overwhelming harassment campaign since the tres hombres of RFK Junior Joe Rogan and Elon Musk ganged up to pressure him into a live debate over the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines.
00:59:56.000Dr. Hotez said the attacks from the anti-vaccine lobby included physical stalking and incessant threatening Emails.
01:00:02.000If you want to talk about an anti-vaccine lobby, do you also want to talk about a vaccine lobby?
01:00:06.000If you want to talk about bullying, do you want to talk about Don Lemon's rhetoric around shaming or the ivermectin horse-paced debacle on CNN?
01:00:13.000It's okay to say stuff like that, to make those kind of accusations.
01:00:16.000There's no doubt that Joe Rogan is a powerful individual personally and now culturally, and the same can be said of Elon Musk and RFK in various ways also.
01:00:25.000But To delegitimize their request for a debate on the basis of bullying and lobbying without acknowledging that bullying and lobbying was one of the key problems that defined the pandemic period is disingenuous.
01:00:38.000My main point is, imagine yourself on the other side of the argument.
01:00:41.000Think about the thing you believe, like it's pretty clear what side I'm on, culturally and ideologically and just through affinity, affiliation and personal history.
01:00:48.000But what I'm trying to think is Dr. Peter Hotez is a human being.
01:00:51.000I'm trying to think everyone is just like me, trying to do their best in the world.
01:00:55.000These like nitpicky contentious issues have to be approached openheartedly.
01:01:01.000And I don't believe that the mainstream media, the pharmaceutical industry, big tech and the state, particularly with its globalist tendencies, has behaved in a good faith way in the last few years.
01:01:10.000I think the intention has been opportunistic regulation and opportunistic profiteering.
01:01:15.000And that has to be confronted, and having a conversation about that is a perfectly good way to air those issues.
01:01:21.000The stuff online is just total wackadoodle.
01:01:23.000And let's face it, when you have RFK Jr and Joe Rogan and Elon Musk all tag-teaming those Tres Hombres at the same time, he told MSNBC, that probably includes just about every follower on Twitter, so it's pretty overwhelming.
01:01:35.000But it was also pretty overwhelming when the FBI were censoring information that was true.
01:01:39.000It was pretty overwhelming when Joe Rogan was subject to just an all-pervading media attack because he said I got better in three days.
01:01:46.000It was literally an immersive experience.
01:01:49.000Information was censored, discredited, called conspiracy theories.
01:02:33.000is saying is misinformation, I'm offering you $100,000 to the charity of your choice if you're willing to debate him on my show with no time limit, he tweeted.
01:02:39.000Hotez replied he was prepared to come on Rogan's podcast to have a meaningful discussion.
01:02:43.000Some people say there was another tweet that was deleted before eventually saying he would join.
01:02:47.000So, like, even this piece of text that we're using is biased.
01:02:49.000Look, Mr. Musk then joined in on the pylon, right?
01:02:52.000So this is framing the information in a particular way.
01:02:54.000He's afraid of public debate because he knows he's wrong.
01:04:37.000Meanwhile, YouTube's war against RFK Jr.
01:04:39.000continues as the big tech platform has now deleted a 90-minute podcast starring Kennedy in conversation with Canadian psychologist Dr. Jordan Peterson, which encompassed topics from climate change to COVID-19 measures.
01:04:49.000So what we have here is a social media furore around a vital, significant and defining issue of the last three years which encompasses Big Pharma, censorship, state power, who has the right to control and censor information.
01:05:02.000You know the kind of stories we cover here on this platform and you know where we stand on globalism, the power and influence of Big Pharma that they're able to exert through donations.
01:05:11.000Imagine if Big Pharma was independently regulated and they were unable to make donations to the political class and they were unable to sponsor media.
01:05:19.000Do you imagine then you might get a less biased conversation on these subjects?
01:05:22.000Would they be interesting regulations to introduce?
01:05:25.000Then perhaps what you would have is an environment where people could talk about science appropriately, in the right way.
01:05:30.000What does your experimentation reveal?
01:05:34.000Where is there still room for conjecture?
01:05:36.000Where is there still room for individual freedom?
01:05:38.000I would argue that unless you're genuinely and legitimately building a society where it's acknowledged and understood by all that we're all participating together in a global organism and we all love one another, that would include Radical changes economically to be able to say, well look, we've all got to undertake these measures because as you know, our society is based on fairness and unity.
01:06:00.000You can see that in our political systems.
01:06:01.000You can see it in our financial systems.
01:06:03.000You can see it in the way that conflicts are resolved.
01:06:05.000You can see that in the way that democracy and elections are conducted.
01:06:08.000Unless you've got that kind of society, you have to recognise that this is a quite tribalised society, where people are entitled to have different views, where communities should have decentralised, democratic, localised institutions by which they run themselves.
01:06:23.000And in such an environment, debate and conversation should be encouraged.
01:06:27.000The only people that benefit from closing down debate and conversation are those that seek to control the narrative.
01:06:33.000And usually they're not seeking to control the narrative in order to protect you, but in order to control you.
01:06:39.000Protection and control are starting to intersect.
01:06:42.000I think that's one of the main things we learned during the pandemic.
01:06:45.000People that are saying they're going to protect you, want to control you.
01:06:49.000That doesn't mean that science isn't legitimate.
01:06:50.000That doesn't mean that great work isn't being done.
01:06:52.000That doesn't mean that there aren't perfectly reasonable, brilliant people on both sides of almost any conversation.
01:06:59.000We've forgotten that in order to have a debate, you have to approach people with an open hand and an open heart and good faith and be willing to listen to views that you don't like.
01:07:07.000You have to be willing to afford other people their freedom.