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00:02:31.000Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:02:34.000This is an unusual show because we are on our way to the RNC, the Republican National Convention, in Milwaukee, an event that we had booked to participate in prior to the assassination attempt on Donald Trump this weekend.
00:02:46.000You may have seen the video that I already made as an immediate reaction, but the show that you're about to watch was pre-recorded.
00:02:53.000So I just want to make sure that we cover this event and let you know what our immediate reactions are to the extraordinary weekend's event and to the subsequent reporting.
00:03:04.000It seems that a memo was circulated inviting mainstream media organizations to meter and control their response.
00:03:11.000That's not entirely confirmed but on the basis of some of the reporting it seems likely the Washington Post Trump escorted away after loud noises at rally.
00:03:20.000Secret Service rushes Trump off stage after popping noises heard at his Pennsylvania rally.
00:03:25.000Trump removed from stage by Secret Service after loud noises startles former president and crowd.
00:03:30.000Can you imagine how this will be exploited?
00:03:32.000For a moment, just for a moment, compare the reporting and hysteria around January 6th in legacy media to the reporting around what has to be regarded as an assassination attempt.
00:03:42.000Joe Biden in his speech for example said, we don't know what the motives are of the assassin.
00:03:48.000Oh, I don't imagine that he was trying to fire vitamins in a Donald Trump's bloodstream.
00:03:54.000I would assume that he's trying to kill him.
00:03:56.000We've also seen, depending on people's previous political persuasion, a focus on gun laws or gun controls or who really caused this.
00:04:04.000But don't you think that all of us collectively have to recognise that there's been a hysterical campaign of demonisation around Donald Trump, which continues yet.
00:04:12.000Since the assassination attempt, Joe Biden's already said stuff like, Donald Trump remains a threat to democracy.
00:04:19.000You can see all over the internet people saying, why was he playing golf?
00:04:22.000He should have been visiting people in hospital.
00:04:24.000And isn't that a stark and chilling aspect of all this?
00:04:30.000A man died trying to shield and protect his family.
00:04:34.000One of the things that I was struck by, as well as the failures of the Secret Service, the peculiar amount of time that it took, did you see that footage?
00:04:42.000Yeah, someone's on top of the roof, look.
00:06:02.000It has to be an indication of pain to some degree.
00:06:06.000And I wonder how this event will ultimately play out and how it will influence the political discourse.
00:06:12.000It's already provided an extraordinarily iconic image.
00:06:15.000It's likely to, I would almost say, guarantee Trump's victory in November.
00:06:21.000But think about the many things that could happen between now and the election then.
00:06:26.000It's likely we're going to see more hysteria, more doubling down, no attempts at reconciliation, although I thought Bobby Kennedy offered a heartening speech in an attempt to almost awaken us from our collective stupor of mudslinging and loathing, and to remember Actually, we can't continue to have a conversation so informed by violence and condemnation and contempt.
00:06:51.000When you think of even the punditry in legacy media, Joy Reid, I'm not singling Joy Reid out in particular, but people who say stuff like, if you vote for Trump, you are voting for fascism or an end to democracy.
00:07:06.000Donald Trump has already been president.
00:07:09.000We know what happens when Donald Trump is president.
00:07:11.000He was president for four years between 2016 and 2020.
00:07:17.000I think escalating this to the point of saying, you know, he's the new Hitler.
00:07:21.000If he gets elected again, he'll end democracy and there'll be no more elections.
00:07:24.000I think that that kind of hysteria has contributed to the mindset of perhaps the shooter, but certainly it has pervaded our culture.
00:07:32.000What I believe to be most significant about this event is America is still the most powerful
00:07:36.000nation in the world and while it tears itself apart, quite literally in the case of these
00:07:42.000escalating violent conflicts and now attempts on a presidential candidate's life, we have
00:07:48.000to remember that across the world right now there are literal wars, regional wars, global
00:07:54.000wars, the potential for yet more war and yet more destruction.
00:07:58.000Donald Trump's life in the final reckoning is not more important than any of the children or heroes or individuals or service personnel dying across the world right now in numerous conflicts.
00:08:09.000I wonder which of the political candidates is most likely to bring about peace in all of these conflicts.
00:08:15.000The significance of this election is very, very high.
00:08:18.000The feelings around these two political candidates appears to be very, very high.
00:08:22.000If you note the way that the media has reported on this event, there is so much to learn.
00:08:31.000Are they attempting to mitigate the reasons why this may have happened, or even blame Trump himself?
00:08:37.000All of the partisanship and rhetoric for a moment ought to be put aside.
00:08:41.000And all of us ought to look together at what it is we're invited to learn here, and whether or not we can trust the institutions that report on these situations, whether or not we can trust the judiciary, and whether or not we can trust the institutions that make up democracy, because democracy doesn't seem to be a constitutional republic, or an electoral process by which the will of the people is expressed, unless that will is very much in alignment with a very particular agenda.
00:09:07.000We'll be reporting on this over the course of the week, From Milwaukee bringing you interviews and conversations from people directly connected to recent events.
00:09:41.000And what an extraordinary week it promises to be with fantastic interviews, extraordinary characters, other people in the rumble space collaborating.
00:09:52.000All of Crowder's crowd, I'm talking to you lot!
00:09:54.000We're gonna be with lots of other content creators in some peculiar conversations because this is a new space for me.
00:10:01.000But we're together held by a holy light in some extraordinary places and spaces because while the news cycle might be defined by the sudden realization amidst our legacy media cohorts, Colleagues?
00:10:21.000They have of course recently discovered that, you know, Joe Biden is elderly and inept and if Joe Biden isn't running the country you can then extrapolate from that that some other groups are running the country.
00:10:34.000You can also see that they must have been holding back information and deliberately obfuscating the fact of his entropy.
00:10:45.000We've learned a lot and we're learning fast and it's not just about the personalities and the individuals and the changing narratives it's about the serious matters that are concurrently taking place because many of these blunders occurred at a NATO conference Where the future of the planet is being discussed and the ongoing tendency to increase hostility, or at least fund increasing hostility between Ukraine and Russia, it seems to be that's being perpetuated, not being discussed, not being mitigated.
00:11:19.000And our new Prime Minister, if you're an English person or a Scottish person or a Welsh person, sorry about that, like me, then, you know, Keir Starmer's out there.
00:11:28.000And it's business as usual and business as usual is business.
00:12:33.000There always has been a war on the spirit of man.
00:12:35.000We ask, Lord, that we be able to put aside egotism, narcissism, hedonism, all of the temptations and obstacles placed before us by a culture that would prefer us dumb and distracted.
00:12:48.000Why do you keep saying everyone's wife's got penises?
00:12:52.000I never said Obama's wife had a penis.
00:13:02.000First of all, I suppose, let's just catch up with the latest array of Biden blunders before looking at Keir Starmer's conversations with Zelensky.
00:13:11.000Then we'll get into what you're here for.
00:13:18.000And are we now reaching a point of polarisation That means that almost secession, decentralization, devolution, whatever you want to call it.
00:13:28.000How can you have one establishment claiming to represent a population so plainly fractured?
00:13:35.000We'll be looking at the case for secession and how 2025 in fact advances that argument.
00:13:41.000But first of all let's have a look at Zelensky, perhaps understanding for the first time who exactly he's reliant on to keep those black rock checks coming.
00:13:51.000And now I want to hand it over to the President of Ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination.
00:13:59.000Ladies and gentlemen, President Putin.
00:14:04.000We're actually going to beat Putin, and actually I'd like to correct myself, because it's not cheques from Blackrock, it's cheques to Blackrock.
00:14:23.00050% of the money you earned doing that it's going to perpetuate that war so hope you're enjoying it because you're you're funding it you and your government including Joe Biden president and who's that that's the vice president again I can never remember it's Trump isn't it?
00:14:39.000I wouldn't have picked Vice President Trump to be Vice President until I think she's not qualified to be President.
00:14:48.000I'm not focusing, I hope you realize this, on the obvious decline of Joe Biden.
00:14:53.000That's sort of, in a way, no longer interesting.
00:14:55.000I'm fascinated by the way that the media are repurposing it and catching up with it.
00:15:01.000And I wonder whether this 2025 idea, which we'll be talking about in detail in a minute, It's just a way to sort of ossify the polarised positions.
00:15:09.000Like, in the same way that Joy Reid would scream, I don't care who it is!
00:15:14.000Or like, there are numerous pundits now that are saying, we don't care if Joe Biden's demented, you can You can run a kangaroo in a wheelbarrow for president and we'll vote for that even though it's the national animal of Australia.
00:15:27.000None of this makes sense anymore and that's in fact what's beneath it.
00:15:30.000The creaking and quaking that we are observing is the inability of the establishment to maintain a central narrative because there are too many evident counter narratives.
00:15:41.000There are too many obvious Errors, mistakes, and lies required to maintain their own narrative and it can't be mangled or held together anymore.
00:15:50.000We're watching this unfold in real time.
00:15:53.000At least it's creating some, you know, enjoyable memes.
00:15:57.000Guys, he says he still needs to make his speech.
00:16:20.000Maybe send him up through a trap door surrounded by dry ice.
00:16:24.000Them kind of right-wing leaders that we're supposed to despise, and formerly I suppose with the cultural affiliations that I once had I would have been more sympathetic to these type of ideas, appear to be among those that are most in tune with the sort of reality of this situation.
00:16:43.000I'm talking in this instance That Giorgia Meloni, Prime Minister of Italy, who reacts understandably and somewhat naturally to her encounters with Biden at the NATO summit, where we're supposed to be, should be, discussing how to avert war, but are in fact discussing how to increase the likelihood of war, and how to fund war, and how to report on war in a way that's
00:17:08.000The same way that we now understand that we've been lied to about Biden's capabilities because, you know, we saw with our own eyes, we can now apply our learnings to the way that the war is reported on.
00:17:20.000Wait a minute, the same people that told us that Biden was competent, sharp as a tack, etc, are telling us that Russia's attack was entirely unprovoked, Putin is an imperialist that will engage in an expansionist war.
00:20:36.000That they don't imagine that we will be able to deduce from that that the whole system is intransigent and immovable and not impacted by bloody elections.
00:20:48.000What was the Solzhenitsyn quote again?
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00:24:20.000At least you get to choose, in that instance, what you do with your money, rather than having those choices made for you by NATO and BlackRock.
00:24:33.000In the good old-fashioned wars of the 90s and early 2000s, it was just energy companies.
00:24:37.000Now it's peculiar, diffuse and amorphous financial organizations that control our assets.
00:24:45.000If you're watching us on YouTube, we're going to leave now, but join us if you want to hear about Project 2025 and how increasing hysteria will likely lead to secession and how the Dems will do anything now to cling on to power.
00:25:01.000Will there even be an election in November?
00:25:03.000Will there be another extraordinary event?
00:25:05.000And how do we find ways of overcoming their continual attempts to divide us, each community forced to turn away from the possibility of reconciliation, alliance and therefore revolution and real change?
00:26:34.000Why not have one that never even existed?
00:26:36.000Why not just have a conceptual leader at this point?
00:26:39.000Extraordinarily though, faith among secularists is on the rise.
00:26:44.000Some people that would say it's ludicrous to believe that God came to earth in human form, that the creator of the simulation entered the simulation to tell us that all will be well, that there are frequencies of transcendence available to us, that only love is real, that you can have a personal relationship with the creator.
00:26:59.000They would describe that as nonsense, as superstition.
00:27:02.000And yet the idea that you can continue to believe in Biden is popular over on MSNBC.
00:27:43.000You can hear his command of the issues, particularly in his asides, like mentioning as an offhand way that it was Turkey, really, that needed really to be talked into.
00:28:09.000What kind of somnambulance are they trying to summons when they invite us to believe that we haven't seen what we've all just plainly witnessed?
00:28:19.000Are they trying, in a sense, to provide a conceptual prophylactic to prevent us from realizing that not only have they duped us with their Biden is okay story, but the idea that in fact the Democrat party represents civil liberties and civil rights and cares about ordinary people and is the party of ordinary Americans and that there isn't a global experiment afoot to centralize authority and power wherever possible.
00:28:47.000But we must do something, I think, To prevent the ongoing polarisation, because if we keep heading in this direction, the direction of hysteria, then, I don't know, secession becomes inevitable.
00:29:01.000I'm talking about the fracture and devolution of the United States, and maybe that is what is required, because can we live forever in this kind of friction and hysteria?
00:29:18.000And Joy Reid here, I think at home and off duty, really leaning into the panic.
00:29:27.000Let's not be trying to play games with these kinds of small things to try to pull us into a direction.
00:29:34.000All that matters in this election, and I genuinely mean this, All that matters in this election, the only thing that matters in this election, is keeping Donald Trump and Project 2025 out of power.
00:29:49.000But if you want to make statements about, like, let's just focus on a single issue, how about averting war with Russia?
00:29:56.000Not increasing tensions between the USA and China.
00:30:00.000Ensuring that American infrastructure and national security is addressed.
00:30:05.000Restoring some moral fortitude to the nation.
00:30:10.000Dampening down, exploring new world, like there's so many single things you could pick.
00:31:15.000Because all that matters, I'm gonna say this to y'all again, all that matters in this upcoming election is that you keep that man and that Project 2025 plan out of power.
00:31:32.000And to do that, you are going to need to vote against the party that has embraced white Christian nationalism.
00:31:40.000I don't think you can have white Christian nationalism.
00:31:43.000Firstly, I don't think you can have Christian nationalism because Christianity is about the kingdom of God and developing a personal relationship with Christ.
00:31:51.000By its nature, it has to transcend race.
00:34:01.000It's intended as a buffet of options for the Trump administration, or any subsequent Republican leader.
00:34:09.000It is the latest installment of the Heritage Foundation's Mandate for Leadership series, which has compiled conservative policy proposals every few years since 1981, but no previous study has been as sweeping in its recommendations or as widely discussed.
00:34:21.000Much of the plan's nearly 900 pages detail extreme executive branch overhauls.
00:34:26.000Among many recommendations, it lays out plans for criminalizing pornography, disbanding the commerce and education departments, rejecting the idea of abortion as healthcare and shredding climate protections.
00:34:38.000So in a way though, it's a bunch of ideas and a bunch of ideals.
00:34:44.000Probably comparable to think tanks on the left or on the democrat side of the aisle that would have proposals and areas of policy discussion and plans they would like to implement in the event that they were in office.
00:34:57.000I think that what's being, what's startling about this is a new artifact has emerged that can generate hysteria and division when all of us intuitively sense surely at this point that what we require opportunities for unity. We live, don't we now, we can say
00:35:15.000with some certainty, in an extraordinary cultural space. For a long time we've been
00:35:20.000discussing the silos that have emerged as a result of bespoke media. Legacy media, centralised
00:35:28.000media, has lost its grip, is losing its grip on the minds of nations and the mind of
00:35:33.000the planet, and we are seeing an attempt to reassert the control that they could take for
00:35:40.000If you take for example just the figure of Keir Starmer, who's been swept into power
00:35:46.000on what at first seems like a significant mandate, within his first week you're able
00:35:51.000to attack the nature of the electoral system that delivered him, his personal history,
00:35:56.000his claims, his position on Covid, his position within NATO.
00:36:01.000Already his declaration that British-made military equipment can be used inside Russia has been denied countenance, contradicted by his own Ministry of Defence.
00:36:11.000That's our equivalent of the Pentagon.
00:36:13.000Like, there's such a fragility in power.
00:36:16.000There's such a fragility in the cultural discourse now, because in a way, globalism and centralized power is a bad idea for almost everybody.
00:36:28.000Of course there are benefits to intercommunication, there are benefits to particular institutions and particular bureaucracies, but what immediate international communication affords us is the ability for diffuse and endlessly spreading dendrites of new consensus.
00:36:49.000It's possible if you take something that's not at all incendiary, like if you had a particular Football club or sports team that you're into you can spend all day long watching content about West Ham United or the Red Sox I don't know what you guys like and and that's happening everywhere continually you could watch all day you could watch 24-hour reels of Keir Starmer and think he's the greatest guy that ever lived his dad was a tool maker he was a great barrister he did a good job at the CPS he advocated for women's rights or you could spend 24 hours watching him being
00:37:39.000But you can't any longer have an objective truth in the cultural sphere because culture is a reflection of human tendencies, human concepts and creations and by its nature must be diverse.
00:37:52.000There might be objective mathematical facts, there might be even perhaps broad consensus around aesthetic ideals derived from principles such as symmetry, but it's human nature To live in diverse communities.
00:38:08.000Although there may be insularity within that.
00:38:10.000I mean, for hundreds of thousands, potentially millions of years we'd have lived in tribes and communities of 100 or 200 people.
00:38:18.000The aggregation and accumulation of massive mandates Is beneficial to elites, but it's not beneficial to individuals.
00:38:26.000And yet that is what the tendency is now.
00:38:29.000All the while the language and discourse is about diversity, we are seeing superficial diversity with homogeneity just beneath the surface.
00:38:39.000Because we know what the agenda of NATO is.
00:38:42.000We know what the agenda of the WHO is because you can look at their treaties, you can see their plans.
00:39:09.000So something like Project 2025 will ultimately be used by both sides of the political and cultural argument in your country to further ossify division.
00:39:20.000That's my prediction and really what it just seems like is a bunch of ideas around quite traditional conservative tropes.
00:39:26.000Like, look, take this paragraph by paragraph.
00:39:30.000It calls out the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which includes the National Weather Service, as one of the main drivers of the climate change alarm industry.
00:39:38.000Okay, so presumably big energy backers of the Republican Party will be interested in pursuing policies in that direction.
00:39:47.000I'd like a little bit more discussion around cloud seeding.
00:39:53.000Isn't it interesting now that you have one side saying climate change, climate change, and another side saying weather manipulation, weather manipulation.
00:39:59.000And none of us are absolutely certain that climate change is not epochal and moving in rhythms that are beyond anthropomorphic or anthropogenic influence.
00:40:11.000And none of us are absolutely certain that there aren't nefarious weather experiments taking place, recent events in Dubai, admissions by China.
00:40:19.000So, you know, even something like that, like they're going to, you know, they're going to stop all their climate change policies.
00:40:27.000It backs deploying the military to assist in arrest operations along the US-Mexican border.
00:40:31.000Didn't Joe Biden recently declare that the border security was an absolute priority?
00:40:37.000Portions of the plan were driven by people who were top advisors to Trump during his first term.
00:40:42.000Trump wrote in a post on social media on Friday that he knew nothing about Project 2025, but disagreed with parts of it.
00:40:48.000Some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal.
00:40:51.000He did not specify which items he was talking about, but it might be some of the conversation around abortion pills, for example, which, wow, how would they navigate that territory?
00:41:00.000Even if you're trying to appease Christians who believe in the sanctity of life, Then what would you do about Big Pharma, who believe in the sanctity of selling all available medications?
00:41:12.000Now, you will have already seen, I presume, Ben Shapiro's very impressive performance at the House Judiciary hearing.
00:41:24.000I love the bit about GARM and the advertising, and maybe if we get time we'll look at that in a minute.
00:41:27.000But I just want to look at his exchange with Eric Swalwell, where they talk about Well they talk about project 2025 and like I bet a lot of you now in the chat Ben Shapiro like already that name divides people like the parting of the red seas is an apposite metaphor and scriptural reference because some of you will be
00:41:51.000supporters of Israel's actions, you'll hate the protests on college campuses
00:41:56.000around Palestine, some of you will think that Ben Shapiro is a Zionist and that
00:42:02.000what's happening in Gaza is a massacre. And look, I suppose in 2024, Project 2024,
00:42:09.000because we might not get to Project 2025, we'd have to say, well, are there some
00:42:13.000things that Ben Shapiro says that you agree with and others that you disagree with?
00:42:17.000Yes, because I think he does a pretty good job here, and I've had conversations with Ben Shapiro, and I disagree with him on a great many things, like I disagree with, God, almost anyone on You know, any number of subjects.
00:42:29.000But here, it seems that he's pretty articulate on this, but the conclusion that continually I am drawn towards is, how can you further accrue centralized power when there is no mandate, when there is no consensus?
00:42:45.000That even if you take the recent elections in France or the UK, what appears like a mandate does not bear close Inspection.
00:42:53.000The coalition in France is made up of groups that disagree with each other on almost bloody everything.
00:42:59.000The UK has just voted, given the vast majority of seats in our parliament to a near unprecedented level and it seems on analysis to be a wafer-thin consensus where people on the left despise Keir Starmer, people on the right despise Keir Starmer.
00:43:17.000He can't even corral his own Ministry of Defence.
00:43:41.000Like the great Native American actor and philosopher, Russell Means, said, you are always It's setting up the dialectic in terms of left and right, but for us they are just different sides of the same coin.
00:43:55.000Both presume that our function is primarily economic.
00:44:00.000Both look at our purpose here on earth to be one of sort of individual satisfaction, even if its ultimate goal in the case of communism is some sort of collective utopia.
00:44:13.000We require a vision that goes beyond Each side of that particular coin.
00:44:18.000Let's have a look, though, at Shapiro with what looks like a pretty sterling performance, I think, at the House Judiciary hearing.
00:44:30.000I think, like President Trump, I haven't looked all that deeply at Project 2025, but it seems that Democrats on this committee, sort of like Peter Pan and Tinkerbell, if they say Project 2025 enough, their presidential candidate becomes alive again.
00:44:42.000And so, Well, let's just talk about pieces of it, and I guess you can tell me if you support it.
00:44:50.000You probably want less bureaucracy, right?
00:45:10.000I support the deportation of any illegal immigrant who is in the United States who is not of benefit to the generalized American public.
00:45:15.000So if they're picking agriculture that puts food on the tables of everyday Americans, they've never committed a crime inside the United States, they didn't come across with documents, should they be deported?
00:45:29.000If they have not paid taxes and if their draw on the taxpayer benefits are larger than the contribution they are making to the economy, or if they're involved in criminal activity, they should be deported.
00:45:39.000The same way that the IRS measures my income every year.
00:45:41.000It seems like if the IRS can track down every aspect of every receipt that I've ever submitted, and they can do that with hundreds of millions of other Americans, they can do that for illegal immigrants as well, except for the fact that no one knows how many are in the country thanks to this administration.
00:45:52.000So you would be cool with creating a system where they could pay those taxes if they wanted to and then stay and work and put food on our table?
00:45:59.000It depends on how long it would take for them to pay the taxes and they would also have to go presumably to the back of the line although I'm not sure why I'm testifying about immigration policy at this point.
00:46:07.000It's interesting actually because one of the things that's been exposed by the advent of independent media is that there are people in positions of punditry that appear to be more lucid and intelligent than their political counterparts as this exchange demonstrates.
00:46:24.000There's no question that Ben Shapiro is a better debater and a more accomplished intellect and Due to his legal training I suspect a more cogent constructor of on-the-fly arguments than this dude and in a sense the result as well is like you know Eric Swalwell there he's in a position of some political power
00:46:47.000All be it limited, because we all know how lobbying works, we all know how donations work, we all know how internal party politics operates.
00:46:53.000Thanks to, again, independent media and the popularisation of the kind of critiques that once were the preserve of, in a sense I would say, sort of college and university educated people.
00:47:04.000Well, 20-30 years ago, you'd have to have read a little bit of Noam Chomsky to know that Swalwell don't have no real power, or you'd have to have that kind of intuitive working-class loathing of anybody in a position of authority.
00:48:12.000Don't you feel like from every direction the sustainability of this system is quaking and the only way to sustain a system that can't be sustained through its own proficiency is through authority?
00:48:25.000You will have to find reasons to become more authoritarian because You might think well I'd rather live in Ben Shapiro world and there'll be some people I suppose that go I'd rather live in Mr. Swalwell world and there'll be other people yet who find various other principalities and ideological domains within which they would rather live and that's possible now and that's achievable it's likely were it not for considerable resistance and I would say the resistance comes primarily in the form of fear escalating fear around war
00:48:53.000Health crises, cultural crises, as long as people are kind of bewildered by fear, we don't really have the time to say, do we have to live within these institutions?
00:49:13.000Sure, I'm a fully pro-life person, which means that I'm not in favour of the distribution of the abortion pill.
00:49:19.000Banning same-sex marriage, what about that part?
00:49:21.000I am in favor of traditional marriage between a man and a woman, and I am perfectly fine with anyone having any sort of voluntary sexual arrangement they seek.
00:49:28.000That's a different thing from whether the government should attach benefits to that personal relationship.
00:49:33.000But you think it's a sin to have same-sex marriage?
00:49:37.000Are you asking me as a religious Jew what I think about biblically?
00:49:47.000I mean, if the basic idea is that sexual orientation is up for government regulation, I'm not in favor of the government regulating the private consenting sexual activity of adults.
00:49:56.000That is a different thing, once again, from whether the government ought to engage in actual benefits for particular sexual arrangements that adults make.
00:50:04.000But again, just you to me, is it a sin or not?
00:50:07.000From a religious Jewish perspective, orientation is not a sin, but activity is.
00:50:10.000That's also the same perspective of most major religions, so far as I'm aware.
00:50:14.000He's walked himself into a mental conversation, dear old Eric Swalwell, because now he's got to... Well, he's not just arguing with Ben Shapiro, he's arguing with Judaism, in the same way that if he was with a Christian or a Muslim, he'd have to take on their theology.
00:50:28.000And it seems that someone like Ben, Ben Shapiro, Even as a devout Jew, I don't want the government regulating people's private sexual conduct.
00:50:35.000So what is the point of this argument?
00:50:37.000What's the point in setting up this argument?
00:50:40.000It seems that Ben Shapiro had it right in the first few minutes when he said that there's an attempt to use Project 2025 as a defibrillator for disenchanted and disillusioned Democrats who now have realized that their own establishment, their own party, their own ideology is as decrepit as the man who stands as it says.
00:51:11.000I'm not sure what Project 2025's position on social security is.
00:51:14.000I'm in favor of the restructuring of social security along the lines of privatization and lowering and increasing the retirement age because you, as well as every other congressperson, knows social security is going to go bankrupt and yet everyone seems to have an interest in lying about it for the next decade and a half until we have to take austerity measures or radically increase inflation or taxes.
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00:53:27.000Back to Ben Shapiro doing rather well against an elected government official.
00:53:32.000Is the idea that school libraries should be able to make decisions along the lines of what exactly is appropriate for, say, a 7th grader and whether they ought to be treated to cartoons and genderqueer.
00:54:01.000Why are they trying to do kind of mad gotchas on Ben Shapiro, who is pretty explicit about his own faith and his own position.
00:54:09.000Remember at the beginning of this I talked about, you know, there'll be many people now in the chat like, I hate that dude, his position on Israel.
00:54:16.000I think that this hyper-politicization of our culture doesn't benefit any of us.
00:54:21.000Now he, Ben Shapiro, often recites Andrew Breitbart's claim that seems increasingly correct actually, that politics is downstream of culture.
00:54:31.000But I feel that we've got to become a little more articulate as the consumers and participants in culture If we are to survive, when you get a figure like Jerry Seinfeld, who I reckon is probably an atheist, but he's obviously culturally and racially Jewish, turned into a polarizing figure because of events in the Middle East, and his understandable affinity, historical, cultural, racial and religious, albeit perhaps secularly, although I recognize the paradox there, with Israel, then
00:55:02.000It makes me wonder how there could ever be consensus or alliance again.
00:55:08.000I've seen in my own country sports pundits become incredibly controversial figures just because the culture itself is seeping A bit like Venom.
00:55:19.000You know, like in Venom, the Marvel character, how that kind of insidious black liquid from which he appears to be formed creaks into every crack and prevents, in a sense, any kind of consensus or any kind of good faith argument.
00:55:36.000Like, holding up this thing here, like Ben Shapiro sort of essentially just, uh, Reiterating the position of his religious identity as if, you know, he's been caught with his pants down.
00:55:46.000Particularly when that's probably one of those rooms where there were people literally kissing each other.
00:55:52.000Like the pretense that authority lies within the institutions of power now, rather than in the culture itself.
00:55:59.000But simply because there are numerous independent media outlets that are a bare expression and tribally closer to the people that That these political institutions are meant to represent, in a sense we're experiencing in real time, it's total decimation.
00:56:17.000How much longer before it's Ben Shapiro holding these people to account?
00:56:23.000Or if, you know, Ben Shapiro is not to your liking, Whatever cultural figure represents your views.
00:56:30.000How can we pretend that these central institutions are representative of anything other than a small sect of people that are now becoming increasingly exposed?
00:56:41.000Like, the Mick Jagger example is another one.
00:56:43.000When you see Mick Jagger, you go, yeah, Justin Trudeau's a great guy.
00:58:44.000Do you remember when Jon Stewart did his first show back on the Daily Show?
00:58:48.000He kind of took aim a little bit at Joe Biden.
00:58:51.000And then after that, he didn't talk about Joe Biden anymore.
00:58:55.000And I thought, oh, well, yeah, Jon Stewart's back.
00:58:57.000So now we might have someone with the Political and comedic chops to handle what is obviously an increasingly polarized space where late night talk show hosts won't attack Joe Biden, although of course they are doing that now.
00:59:11.000People that were lining up to sell vaccines and now criticizing the establishment.
00:59:16.000Now even late night talk show hosts have turned on Biden and Jon Stewart has turned on Biden and I wonder once a culture shifts like this what How much longer can they cling on to power?
00:59:30.000Certainly, how long can they cling on to it with any certainty?
00:59:34.000You know... Perhaps this chart... Could... If I may... Sorry, the pen caps are made of Kevlar.
01:00:52.000When will the establishment turn its attention to the issues that remain significant?
01:00:56.000Because those issues continue to be discussed here.
01:01:00.000This is the basic assumption that I might make from the changing perspectives on Joe Biden in the cultural media.
01:01:07.000They knew then that Joe Biden was senile and decrepit, but participated in the maintenance of the idea of his competence.
01:01:17.000Do they similarly understand that escalating hostility between NATO and Russia is unwise?
01:01:24.000And if it is wise, who is it beneficial to?
01:01:27.000Who benefits from this increasing fear?
01:01:31.000I wonder when they will come to address the undue power of organisations like the WHO, or what took place in the years between 2019 and 2022.
01:01:42.000And I wonder if when it comes to something like 2025, When we will see a conversation in legacy media spaces that acknowledges and accepts that there are diverse and opposing cultural ideas that can no longer live in this kind of ongoing fraught, febrile, frustrating friction and have to be accepted as different cultural ideas, different political entities and that we can no longer support institutions that want to corral together
01:02:15.000Hundreds of millions of people for the benefit of whom precisely while moving closer and closer to apocalyptic wars, restrictive health policies, citizen management of an overbearing and ghouling degree.
01:02:31.000Surely now it's time to accept that this is not a superficial subject, that it's not a superficial issue that centers around one individual or one policy or one think tank.
01:02:42.000What we're witnessing is Is tectonic plates moving so significantly that what has to happen as a consequence of it are new visions, new ideologies that have at the very center decentralization and devolution.
01:02:55.000Let me know what you think in the comments and in the chat.