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00:02:36.000Finally, Rumble and Elon seem to be finding ways to work together in the principality and continent nation of Australia that are becoming peculiarly draconian.
00:02:50.000And we'll be addressing that over the course of the next hour before introducing Michael Schellenberger, significant voice in the censorship industrial complex space who has educated many of us as to the threat that we currently face.
00:03:04.000Quiet in the gallery if you don't mind guys, bring the voices down if you don't mind so that I don't hear you, just remember that I'm very very susceptible to distraction.
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00:03:31.000Perhaps some alliance between Rumble and X might be a possibility.
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00:07:27.000The trial began here at the criminal courthouse in downtown Manhattan with opening statements and Trump's attorney came out swinging.
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00:08:16.000Now we're all looking at the Trump trial.
00:08:18.000We're trying to work out, is it lawfare?
00:08:20.000Is it that it's The judiciary is being deployed in order to bring down a political opponent of a leader that's becoming increasingly authoritarian, all the while the world at large is becoming more sensorial.
00:08:31.000Thank God we've got Michael Schellenberger coming on the show to explain to us why Canada, Australia, Ireland, the UK, the EU are all imposing new extraordinary laws that seem to be designed to control your freedom to speak and to shut down your free speech.
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00:14:16.000You can contemplate that and work it out among yourselves as we turn our attention immediately to censorship in Australia.
00:14:23.000When did Australia become so censorial?
00:14:26.000We asked you a little earlier what you think's going on.
00:14:29.000Worldwide censorship is coming, many Western countries are falling, but who's next?
00:14:33.000The United States, Europe, or the entire globe dominated by a centralized global government, but claim they're here to... who claim They're here to help us.
00:14:40.000With the happy refrain, you'll own nothing and be happy.
00:14:43.000Many of you went for the final option, but a significant number of you thought that the United States would be next to fall.
00:14:49.000It's interesting to see new alliances like this one emerging.
00:14:53.000Chris Pavlovsky from Rumble, Elon Musk from X, formerly known as Twitter.
00:15:56.000Now what's amazing is how to an Australian population, the legacy media, as it's always done, is selling them problems that pejoratively affect them as solutions.
00:16:09.000This Elon Musk Advocating for free speech?
00:16:14.000It's your free speech that he's advocating for.
00:16:16.000Now of course there was the horrific attack of Bishop Mari recently that took place in Sydney, but I think you're an adult right?
00:16:24.000Can we decide for ourselves whether we're too sensitive to watch the brutal reality of a religious leader being subject to a knife attack only subsequently to Advise us that forgiveness is the solution.
00:16:36.000Where else do you hear such wisdom conveyed?
00:16:52.000Condemning, with considerable force, and as is always the case in Australian legacy media, a sort of peculiar dance track, Elon Musk, Rumble, and all freedom-loving, free speech supporting platforms.
00:17:06.000Because remember, your free speech, your ability to think and communicate, is a problem for the globalists.
00:17:47.000Do you notice that whenever it's censorship and war that both sides unite?
00:17:54.000Both sides were united today to pass C702, meaning you'll be surveilled to within an inch of your life.
00:18:00.000Both Both sides of the house were united today and voted that $95 billion of your taxes will go on to perpetuate unwinnable wars.
00:18:10.000Both sides of the house were united today.
00:18:12.000This is Australia, actually, this one.
00:18:14.000Both sides of the house were united today against that bastard Elon Musk who believes that you should be able to decide for yourself whether you're offended by something.
00:18:24.000You don't want to decide for yourself, do you?
00:18:26.000Wouldn't you like to pay a bunch of taxes and we'll decide for you what you're too stupid For the information that they pump into our communities.
00:18:34.000The social media platform, formerly known as Twitter, clapping back at demands from Australia's online watchdog, which instructed X to pull down violent and distressing videos and imagery of this week's Sydney church stabbing.
00:18:46.000X has now received a demand from the eSafety Commissioner that X globally withhold these posts or face a daily fine of $785,000.
00:18:52.000The eSafety Commissioner does not have the authority to dictate what content X's users can see globally.
00:19:00.000This is absolutely what I expect Elon Musk to do.
00:19:03.000He doesn't shy away from challenging governments or people he doesn't agree with.
00:19:07.000X will remove the content for now, but plans to challenge the order in court, saying it threatens free speech.
00:19:13.000Musk himself labelling the e-safety commissioner the Australian censorship commissar.
00:19:18.000The coalition now prepared to back Labor's proposed misinformation laws to toughen social media compliance.
00:19:24.000But as the tech giants rail against Australia's attempts to protect users, do we stand a chance in this David versus Goliath battle?
00:19:50.000I'm sure being a billionaire comes with a whole set of priorities and challenges and biases, but the principle of free speech is an important one.
00:19:58.000And people that stand up for free speech, in particular people with power and platforms like Elon Musk, like Chris Pavlovsky, have to be applauded.
00:20:17.000Well, Chris Pavlovsky and Rumble, they stood firm.
00:20:19.000And here, Elon Musk on this issue is an ally.
00:20:23.000It is important for us to recognise that if we are not going to find ourselves corralled into technological feudal serfdom, where we have no power, no ability to communicate, we have to recognise what's happening around these issues.
00:20:38.000Here is the Australian Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, Rather casually and colloquially condemning Elon Musk.
00:20:48.000Now what I will say I enjoy about this is Australians like people from where I'm from Essex to the east of London use the word bloke and I do like seeing the leader of a country using that term even if he plainly is supporting a globalist agenda that legitimizes censorship and the foreclosure of free speech in order to operate at the service and behest of of shadowy global organisations that I don't fully
00:23:09.000What the Australian public want is to be censored.
00:23:12.000What the Australian public want, what all of the people want of the world, is less freedom, less free speech, more bureaucratic bodies deciding what we can believe in and what we can see and how to raise our children and how to live our lives and what wars to fund.
00:23:28.000And how to organise, and when to stay in our house for six months or maybe even several years, and how to deploy climate change measures to ensure that no globalist corporations are ever penalised, but ordinary individuals everywhere are locked in their homes.
00:23:43.000That's what we want in Australia, is it?
00:23:45.000Let me know, because the Sydney police are telling you that they will literally be the source of truth.
00:23:54.000And if you're not terrified by that declaration, Then, well, I'm going to make you terrified by explaining it to you, and then we're going to go right to Michael Schellenberger.
00:24:13.000Offering a fresh perspective on the fallout of a recent Sydney stabbing attack and a speedy recovery to Bishop Murray.
00:24:19.000And of course the other victims of the various other mad attacks have expressed their anger and mistrust toward the police who have insisted they alone should be the arbiter of truth for this incident.
00:24:28.000These sentiments stem from a press briefing given by New South Wales Police Commissioner Karen Webb last Thursday.
00:24:33.000Webb, who was sharing information about a 16-year-old male being accused of terrorism following the stabbing of Bishop Marmari Emmanuel of Christ the Good Shepherd Church, asserted that the police will be the utterly reliable source of updates.
00:24:44.000She warned against misinformation but decided not to elaborate on what she was alluding to.
00:25:39.000If we have current credible information about any risk or threat to the community, we will let them know.
00:25:44.000That's the relationship I want with the organisations that I fund.
00:25:48.000We will share that with the community.
00:25:49.000But please be assured, the police will be the source of truth and not social media, which of course social media, when the FBI and the CIA have infiltrated it, means it's a proxy of the state.
00:25:59.000And you better believe there are laws being passed right now all across the law to ensure that that's exactly how social media is deployed.
00:26:04.000But social media is also where you speak.
00:26:07.000They are trying to protect you from you, when they are the biggest threat.
00:26:12.000This attempt by the Australian police to monopolise control over the narrative of the incident has raised concerns among the online community.
00:26:19.000Hello, where are the You better believe it, baby!
00:26:26.000The government has gone so far as telling people to report their fellow citizens' speech to the country's chief censor.
00:26:32.000Now, you know that C702 just passed in the United States of America and they amplified that power.
00:26:40.000You know what's already happened in Canada and the UK and what's being proposed in Ireland.
00:26:44.000All across the world, censorship is on the rise and Australia is about to fall.
00:26:49.000That is why it's so important that you join us here on Rumble.
00:26:53.000That is why it's so important that you remain informed, that you remain disobedient, that you remain willing to form alliances with other people from the periphery, that you are not malleable, That you've not been lifed off, that you've not been neutralised, that you've not been controlled.
00:27:19.000And you are going to love this because I'm moving...
00:27:23.000From this rant into a wonderful conversation with a man who must have been sat here chewing on his knuckles because he knows a lot more about this subject than I do.
00:27:35.000But Michael Schellenberger, the investigative journalist and editor of Public on Substack, which you should follow, worked, as you know, with Elon Musk to expose censorship on the Twitter files.
00:27:44.000He's the author of San Francisco, which is a good name.
00:27:47.000For his book, Why Progressives Ruin Cities.
00:28:19.000I mean, we felt like in Brazil, you know, I was supposed to be in Brazil for five days.
00:28:24.000I stayed for 12 because after we released the Twitter files, Brazil, I had to stick around and do a lot of interviews.
00:28:31.000And I mean, we became, you know, I was traveling with a member of Congress who's also been fighting for free speech and we'd be stopped in the airport, stopped on the streets.
00:28:43.000The media beat up on me for like five days.
00:28:46.000And then the Sunday, last Sunday, I guess a week ago Sunday that I was leaving, finally the media came out and said, hey, censorship bad.
00:28:55.000So I kind of left Brazil thinking, all right, we can make progress against censorship when we expose it and we make the case for free speech, allowing people to be wrong on the internet.
00:29:08.000And then I come back and it's like, here we go into Australia, and now we see Ireland is back demanding more censorship laws.
00:29:24.000Honestly, Russell, I continue to be surprised by the relentlessness with which the pro-censorship politicians continue to press this agenda.
00:29:35.000I don't think it's, I can't believe it's that popular.
00:29:49.000I don't think the public wants censorship.
00:29:51.000So yeah, I start to wonder, like, who is pushing these politicians to continue to demand this?
00:29:58.000It appears as though the censorship industrial complex is very powerful, has huge hidden influence, Is it all coordinated at some level internationally?
00:30:09.000I mean, literally, like last week, you may have seen they shut down a conservative gathering in Brussels.
00:30:16.000They sent the police in to shut a gathering in Brussels.
00:30:20.000Is that all sort of coordinated at some level?
00:30:23.000I don't know, but it's amazing to me how relentless these guys are in demanding censorship.
00:30:30.000Do you feel that different nations require different tactics, nudges and contextualisation to become obedient to measures that are clearly antithetical to their interests?
00:30:42.000In Brazil, are there cultural techniques that would not work in Australia?
00:30:47.000Of course, the pandemic period granted ubiquity of tactics, To keep all of you safe, wherever you are, we're going to have to censor misinformation.
00:30:55.000We now know that a good deal of that misinformation was, well, just flat out true.
00:31:01.000Do you think that anything can be gleaned or discerned from the different methods to elicit the conditions for censorship in Ireland, Brazil, Australia, for example?
00:31:13.000So I think we have a lot more understanding of the tactics that the censorship industrial complex uses around the world.
00:31:20.000So one thing we saw, you know, we saw in research really coming from 2017, right after the revolutions of 20, the populist uprisings 2016, 2017, they started hiding censorship initiatives as cyber security.
00:31:36.000So they'd be like, well, we're doing cyber security.
00:31:38.000And of course, that involves fighting misinformation.
00:31:42.000Like those two things actually have nothing to do with each other.
00:31:45.000We're now seeing them do that with child exploitation, which is really gross, because in the same way that like, you want to fight cyber crime, like you want to fight You know, hackers and people invading your internet and you want to also fight child exploitation.
00:32:11.000What's extremism is a matter of opinion.
00:32:14.000So they start to kind of, they kind of, they basically abuse their authority and they move the line.
00:32:19.000So that's one of the first things they do.
00:32:21.000The second thing they do, and we saw this with the EU already, and then also in Ireland, but now we see in Australia, these governments are not just demanding that you be censored in their country.
00:32:32.000They're demanding, according to Elon's, what he wrote on X about this, they want to see the stuff censored everywhere.
00:32:40.000So they want X to take it down from everywhere.
00:32:43.000Well, one reason might be that, you know, you can evade your own country's censorship through what's called a VPN or virtual private network.
00:32:52.000And that's what millions of Chinese do to get around their firewall.
00:32:56.000But so just imagine a world where you have all these governments demanding stuff gets taken down globally.
00:33:02.000So you literally are in a totalitarian system at that point where it's being completely controlled.
00:33:10.000So, you know, I see those as two big tactics that these guys are using.
00:33:13.000It's really trying to control the whole internet, not just your own country, so you can prevent the VPN, so people really aren't getting any information, and then also hiding censorship activities as either cyber or fighting child exploitation.
00:33:28.000So they find hot button topics in much the same manner that in domestic politics, you may deploy arguments in the United States, for example, around abortion or gun control to create polarisation.
00:33:39.000Now, I will mention, sir, I felt incredibly patronised when you unpacked to me what a VPN was when I work in the online media space and have to do a VPN advert about every 15 seconds.
00:33:51.000You have to mention one of those things.
00:34:00.000I always think of look I'm not for you it's I always think of like the people that I know in my life that don't know what a VPN is so that maybe some of your audience don't know but yes you've probably been since we've been advertising VPNs it's a great advertisement for VPNs but of course they won't work if these guys are able to censor the whole internet Yes, it's extraordinary the degree of overreach that's implied by that measure.
00:34:22.000Now, I wonder, Michael, about the challenges that will otherwise be surmounted through an alliance between figures like Elon Musk and Chris Pavlovsky that might otherwise be seen as competitors in some regards.
00:34:39.000I mean, one of the challenges, the obvious challenges, is that X want people to stay on that platform in order to service advertisers.
00:34:47.000Of course, we on Rumble want people to be on Rumble.
00:34:52.000So how do we put aside perhaps economic and commercial interests in order to address these significant free speech issues?
00:35:03.000Yeah, I mean, it's a really important question.
00:35:06.000I mean, I think that, yeah, you start to, I mean, I think one of the things that when they overreach, obviously, it creates a broader alliance of people that have an interest in protecting free speech.
00:35:20.000So, I mean, what happened with Brazil was, and by the way, I mean, so, I mean, there's a lot to unpack with Brazil, but I mean, I show up in Brazil for a free speech conference.
00:35:28.000My Brazilian friend said, hey, can you see if there's any Twitter files?
00:35:34.000And I think that the most important thing for people to realize about the Brazil case is that what the this, so first of all, one thing is that the censorship industrial complex is located in the judiciary.
00:36:37.000They went to Twitter and said, take it down.
00:36:39.000Twitter said, we don't have, like, he never published this on Twitter.
00:36:42.000And they basically said, go ahead and remove his profile anyway.
00:36:46.000So basically the whole thing was just pretextual to just De-personifying this member of Congress, and it wasn't just him, it was multiple members of Congress, multiple journalists, where the Supreme Court just went to all of the social media companies, not just one.
00:37:01.000They go to all of them and they go, take their profiles down.
00:37:05.000I mean, that's basically, you're destroying, you can't be a journalist or a politician if you don't have a social media account.
00:37:12.000It's like, it's literally impossible, like, forget about it.
00:37:14.000Like, this is just, I mean, everybody knows this.
00:37:16.000So you're basically the judiciary in a dictatorial move is deciding who can be a journalist, who can be a politician.
00:37:23.000It was all secret proceedings, no right of appeal.
00:37:28.000And you know, when you look back, we had done something else on an early censorship program called the CTIL League or the Cyber Threat Intelligence League, which was a US government program created by the US government.
00:37:43.000That was one of the things they put in there was that they were going to basically demonize individuals.
00:37:47.000So this, in fact, there's an article in today's New York Times about Nina Jankiewicz, the woman that was behind the so-called disinformation governance board, how she's now created an NGO basically to demonize people.
00:37:58.000I mean, literally, that's what they say in there.
00:38:00.000She's going to go get her revenge and attack people she doesn't like.
00:38:03.000And the New York Times is going to obviously promote this.
00:38:05.000So you've seen it's a very creepy, dark, I mean, it's really dark.
00:38:11.000Like, these guys are basically identifying individuals.
00:38:26.000I imagine perhaps that you are referring in part to some of the investigative work by Lee Fang in which he discovered that a CIA carve-out are funding organisations within Ukraine to condemn many online voices, whether it's Jeffrey Sachs, but I was in the mix too, as pro-Putin and pro-Putin.
00:38:47.000It's extraordinary to hear that, as you say, Nina Jankovic has found herself in this extraordinary position, having failed to set up a sort of censorship-friendly misinformation kind of entity in the United States of America.
00:38:59.000Now, it was a government official, of course, that demanded I be demonetised in the wake of significant media attacks.
00:39:05.000It's becoming increasingly obvious that the organisation, the Trusted News Initiative, includes not only legacy media outlets like the BBC, And CNN and New York Times but also tech giants like Alphabet, Google are seemingly now regarding independent media as their true opponents rather than one another.
00:39:26.000The days of competing for scoops is over for a whole host of reasons that you understand better than I do as a journalist.
00:39:32.000Certainly it doesn't matter who breaks a story now in particular unless they're able to control that information and serialize it significantly.
00:39:39.000What's terrifying to me, Michael, is precisely what you described.
00:39:43.000The ability to demonize, destroy and smear individuals.
00:39:47.000Now, I wonder if we take a few high-profile examples of that, like, you know, most liberals were excited And celebratory when Trump was booted off of Twitter.
00:40:00.000Most people were kind of happy when Alex Jones was the victim of lawfare and shutdown across the internet.
00:40:08.000And figures like David Icke are sort of routinely censored.
00:40:13.000Now, do you think it's sort of common practice to attack individuals Yeah, I mean, without a doubt.
00:40:19.000I mean, we're seeing that happening right now.
00:40:21.000or attractive targets to certain demographics or certainly to demographics that are broadly
00:40:25.000in alignment with their agenda, in order to establish a principle and then to sort of
00:40:30.000roll that out more aggressively and more immersively.
00:40:35.000Yeah, I mean, without a doubt, I mean, we're seeing that happening right now.
00:40:40.000I mean, with Brazil, you know, and this is what, you know, after we did the Twitter files,
00:40:45.000I think three days later, Elon came out and was like, they're asking us to de-platform
00:40:52.000They're asking us to basically de-personify people, delete people from X permanently.
00:40:59.000And then, according to Elon, he was saying the government was wanting X to suggest that it was because they had violated X's terms of service.
00:41:07.000And this is one of the strategies that we saw them use, is that they lobby to change the terms of service, adding all these particular things, and then they go and create these elaborate censorship organizations.
00:41:18.000The most famous was the Stanford Internet Observatory, which had two initiatives, one in 2020 on elections, The Election Integrity Partnership, another one on 2021, the Virality Project about COVID, where they were engaged in mass censorship.
00:41:32.000And that was the whole premise of it, was to basically start to build, and they also have this thing called the Dirty Dozen, where they basically, the demonization is in service of permanent de-platforming.
00:41:44.000They want to they want to the ultimate goal is to just remove people they don't like from the Internet.
00:41:51.000I mean, it's so shocking when you say it like that, because it's such an obvious violation of free speech, but that's where they're headed.
00:41:59.000Obviously, Elon is amazing because in Brazil he was like, we're not going to go along with this.
00:42:05.000You can't just tell us to remove a bunch of journalists and politicians from the internet.
00:42:11.000That's just madness and it violates Brazilian law.
00:42:14.000If you read the Brazilian constitution, it specifically protects Against any censorship on political ideological or artistic grounds But yeah, I mean, it's the really dark side of this is that it's so like it's really about destroying lives Like this is not I think sometimes we go.
00:42:32.000Oh, well, they're just taking down some content No, they're actually looking to just ruin people like literally ruin their careers by getting them off the internet That's sort of the that's the kind of the the solution that this has all been driving towards I think people need to know that that's not a paranoid View anymore that is the reality of what they're doing and you're absolutely right of course they start with Alex Jones They start with people that they think are low-hanging fruit
00:42:57.000And then they, once they establish that predicate, then they kind of just kind of go, well, and this person is similar in these ways.
00:43:03.000Is part of the aim of this agenda to censor not only certain types of speech, but plainly individuals and perhaps ultimately organizations likely to Influence and indeed control the outcome of some of the elections that are coming up across the world over the course of the year.
00:43:28.000Now before you answer that question, I want to let you guys know on Rumble that we're going to be here for another 20 minutes, but then we're going to continue On Locals, our AwakendWonder platform, and if you post your questions for Michael on Locals, I will put them to him with his kind permission, of course.
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00:44:17.000So do you think that these ideas will be used over the course of the year to influence elections?
00:44:33.000I mean, I think they're trying to do mind control, as crazy as that sounds.
00:44:38.000They're really trying to control how people think about things by controlling the information they're allowed to have access to, and also how people make judgments about that information.
00:44:48.000So, it's both censorship on the one hand, and it's also Disinformation, or you can call it information operations, on the other.
00:44:56.000We have this new journalist that we've been working with, who's the daughter of a very well-known Czech.
00:45:04.000She's the daughter of a well-known Czech Republic dissident, an artist, not as famous as Václav Havel, but sort of a colleague of his.
00:45:12.000And she discovered that basically the Polish and Czech intelligence services working with EU politicians had claimed to have discovered this Russian disinformation operation that was aiming to bribe European politicians Well, she went and interviewed, reached out to everybody that was accused.
00:45:33.000They all denied that they had been bribed by the Russians.
00:45:36.000The governments have presented no evidence of this conspiracy theory.
00:45:41.000We reached out to one of the accused, a website called Voice of Europe, as being part of this conspiracy.
00:45:50.000It appears to be a completely invented disinformation campaign by the European Union officials, including the head of the European Union, Ursula von der Leyen.
00:46:01.000None of whom ever, we've emailed them many times asking about this.
00:46:05.000Well, the whole point was to basically create the idea that right-wing populist parties in Europe, whatever your view is on these parties, again, but they were trying to create the view that these parties were controlled by Russia.
00:46:19.000What's so amazing, Russell, is that the tactics might differ from Ireland to Scotland to Czech Republic to European Union to Brazil to Canada to the United States, but the messages are the same, which is that if you're a populist, you're actually a COVID denier, you're full of hate, You're spreading misinformation and you somehow are working for the Russians.
00:46:43.000So all of the Russia hoax stuff that they did against Trump, it's not like they were like, oh, I guess we've got to move on from that.
00:46:58.000And they're worried in particular about this conservative party in Germany called AFD, which is like, if you read their information, that this is a Nazi party.
00:47:08.000But actually, the party has a policy agenda that's very similar to the Republican Party, at least under Trump.
00:47:14.000But they basically used all the exact same playbooks, saying it's Russian, it's fascist, it's full of hatred.
00:47:20.000They have a whole fake fact-checking website called Corrective, which has spread misinformation that we've documented.
00:47:28.000So, I mean, I will say, you know, we were talking about this a year ago, so how have we done?
00:47:33.000I feel like we're catching up to them.
00:47:36.000You know, with this particular story, this Czech Republic-Polish-European Union-Russian disinfo story, I feel like we were able to—we've done, I think, three stories on it now, and they've just been quiet about it.
00:47:47.000And they kind of sometimes go, well, we're looking into it, and we're going to have this investigation.
00:47:51.000But I just get the sense that they got called out on it from us, and they're going to kind of try to move on.
00:48:00.000I mean, I feel like I'm, I feel like it's Terminator 2 and they like, you know, you feel like you just knock the guy out and then he's like, he comes back up and he's like coming after you, chasing after you again.
00:48:20.000I can't say that they are, but it's so suspicious all these things popping up at exactly the same time.
00:48:26.000Yes, it's difficult to corroborate, but given the way that they reconstitute with a seemingly comparable aim, there appears at least the silhouette of conspiracy, it seems to me, Michael.
00:48:41.000And it's difficult to imagine that there aren't conversations taking place along the lines of, if we are not able to curtail and control online information, we are going to lose control.
00:48:54.000The previous control that was asserted through centralised media that it appears has always had a favourable relationship with the state, other than anomalous events and stories, it appears that a group like the New York Times are broadly supportive of the government agenda, even if you take a couple of recent examples like their apparent involvement in the arrest of that lad Tashara Jack Tashara they seem to be involved in his arrest and of course the CIA bases in Ukraine the CIA granted the New York Times as extraordinary access and we're starting to see sort of key players names that ought not be known by people in spaces like this not necessarily you Michael you're a
00:49:39.000Proper journalist but I know the names of people like Victoria Newland cropping up like some anti-christ zealig throughout history or Ursula von der Leyen who it seems was in text communication with Albert Baller at the height of the pandemic ordering vaccines by the million.
00:49:58.000On that point it seems that the WHO treaty has been to a degree opposed by the level of
00:50:04.000coordination that has been achieved precisely because of the success of independent
00:50:08.000media that in real time people are saying whoa whoa whoa this clause
00:50:11.000would enable them to in the event of what would be deemed a climate emergency to
00:50:17.000override your nation's government and impose lockdowns and vaccines and
00:50:25.000It's odd how frequently information is at the heart of these arguments, but to a degree it is encouraging, like with your example about the EU or certainly the organisation around Ursula von der Leyen, that there appears to be some fear Yeah, I think so.
00:50:46.000I think that, I mean, look, we're just, it is what it is.
00:50:49.000I mean, it's like, we're, I feel like there's, we're just hanging by a thread on some ways, but it's like, as long as X can remain a free platform, as long as Elon Musk remains the owner of X and remains strong, I think we have a good shot at surviving this.
00:51:03.000I mean, you kind of look back and you go, they weren't able to stop television, radio, Telegraphs the printing press.
00:51:12.000I mean the printing press when they when Gutenberg's printing press shows up and he's able to you're able to have I mean it's basically the exact same thing that's happening now it's peer-to-peer communication or what the New York Times calls peer-to-peer misinformation You know, it was like the printing press allowed for ordinary people to talk to each other, interpret the Bible, interpret Christianity the ways they wanted to.
00:51:32.000It led to Protestantism and it led to, I mean, we look back now and we go, it was inevitable that the printing press was going to change things.
00:51:55.000I mean, that's just, that's just proof.
00:51:57.000I mean, the former deputy director of the FBI, the former chief counsel of the FBI, they were there.
00:52:02.000They were there to run an information operation and they did against the Hunter Biden laptop and probably much more.
00:52:08.000And now you've got a situation where you've got a guy that's powerful enough, and Elon Musk, who's saying, no, we're going to allow free speech.
00:52:37.000Other mornings I wake up and I go, the state is so powerful.
00:52:40.000I mean, the governments around the world are so powerful.
00:52:43.000And all the stuff that people have said, oh, it's a conspiracy theory, like the World Economic Forum declaring misinformation to be the biggest problem in the world.
00:52:50.000And you see the same cast of characters that go to those meetings, then saying, oh, we have to censor the entire internet, not just here in Australia.
00:52:59.000And Little Ireland saying, oh, we have to be able to go into your home.
00:53:02.000And Scotland saying, we're going to monitor comedians.
00:53:06.000I mean, You know, they're just so relentless and so out to kind of control the internet that sometimes I just go, it's terrifying.
00:53:15.000You know, if you lose X and they kind of, I mean, Rumble had to leave Brazil.
00:53:19.000It couldn't afford, I mean, and X may still be banned in Brazil.
00:53:22.000I also wanted to say, because I've done a lot on Brazil, I feel like I buried the lid a little bit.
00:53:30.000I am in a police investigative report in Brazil, along with the ideas that I'm part of some international conspiracy.
00:53:38.000It's so bonkers and ludicrous, but literally there I am in a federal police report, which is basically Brazil's equivalent of their FBI, suggesting some nefarious activity because I tweeted out the Twitter files.
00:53:51.000You know, and you know, this is literally the thought police of Brazil.
00:53:55.000There's even a shot of my of my profile on on X, which says defund the thought police.
00:54:01.000I thought that was a moment of of of humor there that they actually the thought police had the defund the thought police in their report.
00:54:08.000But I mean, this is how crazy it is that like literally the police are actually monitoring our communications and trying to figure out whether I'm going to be prosecuted, which could still happen along with the prosecution of Elon Musk.
00:54:24.000You might not know because you don't understand much about technology and Zoom and VPNs and the internet, but we're actually able to put that up.
00:54:32.000So what precisely are you being accused of?
00:54:36.000I mean, it's the craziest... This is the one... I will say, I mean, they often... Like, so first of all, they...
00:54:46.000Like there's just no sense of humor, you know, among the totalitarians, you know, it's like, you can kind of go all the, all the fun is in the free speech movement.
00:54:55.000The totalitarians are very serious people.
00:54:57.000They're also like, like, I think one thing we forget is how they're not very bright and that might reassure you, but it shouldn't because they will be, they'll do something dumb and then they'll, but yeah, I mean, they basically, they basically have got this crazy conspiracy theory.
00:55:14.000You know, I made it very clear, I never have asked Elon Musk either for permission.
00:55:18.000I've never even told him in advance before we publish the Twitter files.
00:55:22.000He had no idea that I was publishing the original Twitter files.
00:55:26.000Elon and I have more interaction publicly on X than we do behind the scenes.
00:55:33.000You know, so there's just no there there, but the implication is that there was sort of a conspiracy to, you know, spread hatred and misinformation in Brazil to help, you know, the right wing of Brazil.
00:55:50.000And they've, but they've nonetheless, they created this report to create a sense of suspicion and potentially justification for prosecution, which, you know, again, we could find out about any day now.
00:56:00.000Yes, it's pretty staggering the confidence with which these attacks are conducted.
00:56:05.000It is redolent of how old media used to behave when creating division in domestic populations through print and getting, as they say, turkeys to vote for Christmas, whether it was pro-war measures or creating tension among different ethnicities of ultimately economically united communities.
00:56:29.000I wonder, Michael, if you believe that these kind of spaces are going to survive the division that has ensued from the new fractures around the subject of free speech emergent from, in particular, the conflicts in the Middle East.
00:56:46.000What was starting to happen was a consolidation around the principles of free speech and, to a degree, Anti-war in what are now known as, you know, independent media or right communities.
00:56:56.000But even that has become fraught and rife with decision room.
00:56:59.000And before you answer, Michael, remember, guys, we're going to wrap the show up now on Rumble.
00:57:06.000And we are going to take our conversation over to locals where our awakened wonders like Chico Kid and Sensitive Hearts 2525 are waiting to pose their questions to Michael Schellenberger.
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00:57:37.000Surely you would agree with that, Michael, that there has to be a spiritual component to such an extraordinary problem.
00:57:42.000Aren't, after all, we witnessing through online technology a kind of new type of omnipotence?
00:57:49.000And who harvests and colonizes this new prima materia that is as close to consciousness as any previous technological advance, as I can speculate, is the very fight that we're involved in.
00:58:07.000I mean, I view the movement for free speech as a spiritual pursuit.
00:58:13.000I think it's for universal human betterment.
00:58:17.000I respect Brazil and its borders and its constitution.
00:58:20.000I respect all countries and their sovereignty.
00:58:22.000I also think all human beings have a right to speak their minds and to have access to information.
00:58:29.000So I do view this as a universal movement and I think that this effort by a small, very small group of deeply uptight and neurotic and power-mad individuals to control the whole internet.
00:58:52.000I think there's something psychopathological in that.
00:58:55.000I think that this idea that somebody says something that you don't agree with, whether it's about the war in Ukraine or about COVID or about climate change or trans or whatever it would be, The healthy response from a healthy individual is to say, I don't agree with that.
00:59:12.000I'm going to disagree with that publicly and make my views known.
00:59:44.000I kind of think we're going to allow for there to be security and there's going to be intelligence and there's going to be some amount of protection and militaries and states and all that's going to continue to exist along with free speech, along with allowing Russell Brand and Michael Schellenberger to speak and not be censored and not be on a hit list or a black list of these pretty awful censorship industrial complex people and leaders.
01:00:08.000So I do think that we have to appeal to people's higher selves Thank you so much, Michael Schellenberger.
01:00:19.000I mean I'm always surprised that you have to do it but I do think that is a bunch of
01:00:22.000the work that we have to do in front of us.
01:00:25.000Thank you so much Michael Schellenberger, we will continue our conversation.
01:00:28.000In particular I'm planning to ask, is it psychopathic and sociopathic in terms of its mentality
01:00:35.000or is there something even darker, something almost occultist, some demonic force at work?
01:00:42.000Sometimes I query that and sometimes I wonder if that might lead us to the solution.
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