Stay Free - Russel Brand - December 17, 2024


BREAK BREAD EP. 9 - BRANDON LAKE

Topics
community and honesty
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Russel Brand
Mentioned
Brandon Lake Peter Jesus Christ John Rich Russell Ross Jordan Peterson Barbara Brand Grammy Award Jeff Cavins Ron Brown Gospels Disney David Saul Adam
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22 minutes

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3,477

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2

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5

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5

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Brandon Lake is an American Christian, worship singer, songwriter, guitarist, big star, and five-time Grammy Award winner. In this episode, Brandon Lake and I talk about what it means to be a Christian and why we need to break bread together.

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00:00:52.000 Brandon Lake is Brandon Lake.
00:00:56.000 And you know who Brandon Lake is.
00:00:59.000 He's an American Christian, worship singer, songwriter, guitarist, big star, five-time Grammy Award winner.
00:01:07.000 He's a pastor.
00:01:09.000 He's here.
00:01:10.000 His hair looks fresh and well-oiled.
00:01:14.000 Brandon, thanks for joining us.
00:01:17.000 Such an honor to be on.
00:01:20.000 I've been praying for this day, looking forward to this day for a long time.
00:01:24.000 Everyone in my friend group knows that you are in my top five of like, if I could hang out with anybody for the day, you have been that for many, many years.
00:01:33.000 I'm so happy, Brandon, because now we're going to pilot that idea of a hangout for one hour, and we're going to see how it would go and how it will go, because I'm fully down to come.
00:01:46.000 I want to come to your church.
00:01:47.000 I want to spend time with you.
00:01:49.000 But first, can we break bread together, you and I? And I wonder, can you tell me which...
00:01:55.000 Verse we should read.
00:01:56.000 You know, sometimes people read something from the back end of one of the Gospels, but I've had friends read stuff from Corinthians as a supplement and a support before we read.
00:02:10.000 And then I want to talk about even breaking bread and some of the challenges around that.
00:02:16.000 Yeah, I'm already open to 1 Corinthians 11, 23, if we want to do that.
00:02:22.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:02:22.000 Will you read it?
00:02:24.000 Okay.
00:02:25.000 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you.
00:02:29.000 The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread.
00:02:33.000 When he had given thanks, he broke it and said, This is my body, which is for you.
00:02:39.000 Do this in remembrance of me.
00:02:41.000 In the same way, after supper, he took the cup, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood.
00:02:49.000 Do this whenever you drink it in remembrance of me.
00:02:52.000 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
00:03:03.000 I'm going to get on my knees for it.
00:03:04.000 I've got one of these.
00:03:06.000 I don't know about you, Brandon, but I take Christianity pretty seriously and I've got one of those special little ones.
00:03:14.000 That's professional communion right there.
00:03:16.000 Well, if you're doing that, I've got to get on my knees as well.
00:03:18.000 I have freshly milled This is good for you.
00:03:22.000 Gluten-free.
00:03:23.000 I got the gluten-free body of Christ right here.
00:03:25.000 Oh, amazing.
00:03:27.000 Now, I know that a lot of people, even the process of communion, I've got a lot of friends who are hardcore Catholic.
00:03:37.000 A lot of friends who are hardcore Catholic.
00:03:39.000 And I've got friends who are, like, Eastern Orthodox, and, like, some of them are like, we're, like, I'm not the, like, when they've come on the show, a couple of them have come on, and, like, well, I'm not doing that there.
00:03:49.000 We have to do it ceremoniously.
00:03:50.000 It has to be in the lineage, the apostolic lineage of Peter.
00:03:59.000 Like, Peter says, feed my sheep, and Christ says, feed my sheep to Peter, and, like, if it's not in that line.
00:04:05.000 But, like, and a lot of people, like, symbol or reality.
00:04:08.000 But I'm totally, like, I just...
00:04:12.000 I'm very, very serious about Jesus, Brandon.
00:04:17.000 Like, as I know you are, I'm like...
00:04:19.000 I'm new, you know, so I've got that special zeal of the newly converted.
00:04:25.000 And...
00:04:26.000 I just want to, while we do this together, like, I don't think there's nothing wrong with being humorous and light, and I think we are as the Lord made us.
00:04:36.000 But I just want to say, Heavenly Father, Lord God, that as we do this, I believe that we are partaking in transubstantiation, that the literal body of Christ moves through all reality.
00:04:52.000 You, Lord Jesus, are atemporal and aspacial by your nature, that you were there in the beginning at the creation with the Father and the Holy Spirit as one component of the triune God that you came to earth. 0.99
00:05:05.000 And died for me and for Brandon and everyone participating in this, that we may be redeemed of our sins.
00:05:12.000 And I thank you, Lord, that your body was broken like this bread.
00:05:17.000 Your body is broken and is this bread.
00:05:19.000 Thank you, Father.
00:05:21.000 Thank you, Father, for your broken body.
00:05:24.000 Thank you, Jesus Christ, for your broken body.
00:05:29.000 I remember you.
00:05:32.000 Thank you for your sacrifice.
00:05:33.000 Thank you for your blood.
00:05:34.000 Thank you for your blood.
00:05:35.000 It was broken.
00:05:40.000 And thank you for your Jesus.
00:05:48.000 Thank you for the night in Gethsemane where you're in agony and you sweated blood.
00:05:54.000 Thank you for the scourging at the pillar where you took that pain and beating, Lord.
00:06:00.000 And so that when I'm in pain and when I'm beating, I know that you know what it's like, Lord.
00:06:04.000 And thank you that you were humiliated, the crown of thorns.
00:06:09.000 Thank you for the drawing of the lots.
00:06:11.000 So you know it's like when I'm humiliated and when Brandon's humiliated and when anyone listens to this, you know humiliation.
00:06:17.000 And thank you that you carried the cross so that when I'm carrying my cross, I know that you've been there more than I will ever go there.
00:06:24.000 And thank you, Lord, that you were nailed to the cross.
00:06:26.000 And thank you for your blood and the covenant of blood that covers me and Brandon and everyone that partakes in this.
00:06:33.000 This is your blood.
00:06:34.000 I remember you, Jesus.
00:06:35.000 Amen.
00:06:45.000 Lord, we thank you for Russell as well.
00:06:48.000 We thank you for his family, and as we take this communion, Lord, I'm just reminded I have a friend that takes communion every single day, and as he does, he prays for those that he loves, and he prays great health.
00:07:02.000 And prosperity over their families.
00:07:05.000 And Lord, we just release a blessing over Russell and his family, grand family.
00:07:09.000 And God, I pray that you would take what he's doing now.
00:07:12.000 And Lord, I pray that you just multiply it.
00:07:13.000 Lord, that millions and millions would come to know who you are and how much you...
00:07:18.000 Just desperately love them and that you have a plan for their life, Lord.
00:07:22.000 I pray that you would just pour out such a fresh anointing on him and his family, Lord.
00:07:27.000 And Lord, that this is just the beginning, Lord, that they would be able to, even in just a year from now, stand back and just be utterly astounded at what you've done through their ministry.
00:07:37.000 Lord, thank you for this first love fire.
00:07:39.000 And I pray that thank you for a zeal.
00:07:41.000 And Lord, I thank you, Lord, that it's going to catch up so many people on fire for you, Lord.
00:07:45.000 I pray that it would just increase.
00:07:47.000 And Lord, thank you that he is teaching the world right now what it looks like to genuinely love you, follow after you, but also how to carry peace, your peace.
00:07:57.000 And through a crazy, chaotic world, Lord, we thank you that you do.
00:08:02.000 You give us peace and you give us joy.
00:08:06.000 And Lord, you give us life that's more abundant.
00:08:08.000 And so, Lord, we thank you for him and his family and bless him in Jesus' name.
00:08:11.000 Amen.
00:08:12.000 Amen.
00:08:15.000 Thanks for doing that.
00:08:18.000 Goodness.
00:08:18.000 Oh!
00:08:21.000 My knees aren't so great.
00:08:23.000 I need to do some jiu-jitsu.
00:08:28.000 Well, actually, jiu-jitsu can be quite bad for the knees, depending on who you do it with.
00:08:34.000 I spend so much time on my knees now, thankfully.
00:08:37.000 Thankfully, Brandon.
00:08:40.000 And...
00:08:41.000 So before we get into this, but when you moved into that very gracious, humble, simple and open prayer, I thought, ah, this is who I'm dealing with.
00:08:51.000 This is who I'm dealing with.
00:08:52.000 Because I know that you're a very successful person and I know that you've been right inside the labyrinth and enclaves of dark fame.
00:09:01.000 But I know that you are a...
00:09:04.000 Pastor and a worship leader.
00:09:07.000 And I saw that side of you, and I felt it, actually.
00:09:11.000 I felt it then.
00:09:13.000 I felt humbled and held by your prayer.
00:09:16.000 Thank you for that.
00:09:17.000 Thank you for that.
00:09:18.000 I just heard on the way in that a friend of mine...
00:09:23.000 I'm going to say his name because I want to...
00:09:31.000 Honour it as we commend him into the arms of God.
00:09:34.000 A friend of mine, Ross, is dead now, and I don't know the details because I've just been given the information, but I'm going to guess that he participated in his own death is my guess.
00:09:51.000 I've just heard from his family, you know?
00:09:55.000 And I feel like, yeah, we commend Ross into your arms, Father.
00:10:03.000 I also know that you've been depressed yourself, because it's public, and the way it's reported, at least, is that fame somehow was a component in that.
00:10:20.000 And I suppose the bottom line of male depression, it's female depression, I guess, as well, but when you look at statistics...
00:10:30.000 Men, and I don't know this for sure about my friends yet, so let me make that clear.
00:10:35.000 You know, you might have got hit by a bus, I don't know.
00:10:37.000 But, like, I've only just, literally just got the information.
00:10:40.000 So, new subject.
00:10:41.000 Men take their own lives, like, a lot. 0.98
00:10:45.000 Like, you know, I think for teenage men, suicide is the, I feel like it might be the biggest cause of death.
00:10:54.000 Men, like, getting around my age, start killing themselves all over again.
00:11:00.000 What do you think's going on?
00:11:02.000 What's going on with that?
00:11:04.000 And have you ever felt it and thought about it?
00:11:08.000 Well, yeah.
00:11:09.000 I mean, I think the enemy's greatest tactic and what he wants to do is...
00:11:15.000 The minute that you isolate yourself, he gets giddy because he knows that he can just have a field day.
00:11:24.000 What happened with me was...
00:11:27.000 Um, you know, it's funny.
00:11:28.000 I've been a Christian for a long time.
00:11:30.000 You know, I asked Jesus to come to my heart at like age five, but I'm still learning the same lessons that I was learning very early on.
00:11:37.000 And I'll get to kind of the whole point of what kind of has cured me and healed me.
00:11:43.000 But, um, mine didn't come about because I had a really dark moment.
00:11:48.000 Um, mine actually came about because I went from, I've just always been a And then I signed to a record label as I was writing songs and people found out, you know, thought these songs were great.
00:12:02.000 They're like, hey, we want you to be our next artist.
00:12:04.000 They threw me on tour within a few weeks of signing to a record label.
00:12:08.000 I wrote with all of my heroes within a span of a few months.
00:12:12.000 And I went on this tour and when I came home, I think God uses multiple things.
00:12:36.000 I came home from this tour and I went straight to Disney World on a vacation, which people think is heaven.
00:12:43.000 I think Disney is hell.
00:12:44.000 It was not great for my mental state.
00:12:47.000 I had no time to kind of decompress.
00:12:49.000 And I was on this mountain.
00:12:51.000 All of my adrenaline had been completely just expended.
00:12:56.000 And so I'm depleted of all my adrenaline, which there's a real, I think, chemical thing that happens that you're more prone to getting sick, having a mental attack, an emotional attack.
00:13:11.000 So I come home and I just all of a sudden had the darkest thoughts.
00:13:16.000 It was really scary.
00:13:18.000 I'd never experienced depression or anxiety or a panic attack.
00:13:22.000 I had a full-blown panic attack.
00:13:24.000 Like fetal position, bawling my eyes out.
00:13:26.000 What actually snapped me out of it was a friend of mine called me and I was too prideful to answer the phone.
00:13:31.000 Hence the isolation.
00:13:33.000 The enemy loved it.
00:13:34.000 So I'm still getting more and more just attacked.
00:13:35.000 I'm like, I don't recognize these thoughts.
00:13:37.000 I thought crazy things were happening that I had no reason to think like, is my wife cheating on me?
00:13:43.000 Crazy stuff.
00:13:45.000 And everything was great, but I'm freaking out.
00:13:48.000 And then he sent me a voice.
00:13:50.000 He just recorded a prayer.
00:13:51.000 So I'm sitting in bed, and I just start praying.
00:13:54.000 I just start press play on the prayer.
00:13:57.000 And all of a sudden, kind of like how David played for Saul in the Bible, where he's being attacked by this, being tormented by this evil spirit.
00:14:05.000 And it was like in that moment as his prayer was just released over me, it was like, boom, it broke.
00:14:10.000 And I just started bawling.
00:14:11.000 And I wasn't even telling my wife what was going on.
00:14:14.000 So you've got to tell somebody when you keep it on the inside.
00:14:17.000 I mean, community is such a beautiful healing tool.
00:14:21.000 And I believe that God brings the right people around you.
00:14:25.000 And in this moment, I needed my friends.
00:14:28.000 I needed to be honest with my wife.
00:14:29.000 So it broke.
00:14:31.000 But here's the thing.
00:14:32.000 Sorry I'm talking a whole lot.
00:14:34.000 You let me know.
00:14:34.000 You interject.
00:14:35.000 But here's the lesson that I had to learn.
00:14:39.000 Even being a professional Christian, surrounded in nights of worship, and people are getting healed and set free and saved.
00:14:45.000 And I love the Lord, but I was still trying to, when I came home, chase that adrenaline and chase that feeling of significance.
00:14:57.000 And I was craving this intimate mountaintop experience moment.
00:15:04.000 And I was trying to fill it with even intimacy with my wife.
00:15:07.000 So we can even take good things and make them bad.
00:15:10.000 It's not bad that I wanted intimacy with my wife, but I was going to Brittany first. 0.98
00:15:16.000 And through this whole season, I just had to relearn the reason why, one, I let the enemy attack me by not being honest and not reaching out to my community and keeping it to myself.
00:15:27.000 I'm not strong enough to defeat that.
00:15:30.000 But I was trying to fill this void with everything, even good things, except for time with God.
00:15:38.000 And so my counselor, I met with him and he was like, Brandon, you're still, he described to me what I was doing.
00:15:44.000 And he's like, you've got to remember that you've got to go to God first and most.
00:15:49.000 First and most.
00:15:51.000 And that's really the only thing besides that and community that has kind of healed me.
00:15:56.000 Those moments, those...
00:15:57.000 And I still have it.
00:15:58.000 I'll go on a tour and I'll come home, but now I have tools and I have things to kind of get me back to reality and kind of curve the bend of this mountaintop Like, tour is not reality.
00:16:10.000 You can't live that way for forever.
00:16:13.000 I'm sure you've experienced this doing all, like, film and all that.
00:16:17.000 There's these crazy moments, but then you come home and then you're like...
00:16:20.000 So, I've had to realize, like, it's super elementary, but the only thing that'll keep me right and keep me who I'm supposed to be is by going to God first and most.
00:16:30.000 This is my favorite quote I heard from my dad.
00:16:32.000 He said, our primary call...
00:16:38.000 Isn't to ministry.
00:16:40.000 It's to intimacy.
00:16:42.000 Ministry flows out of a place of intimacy.
00:16:46.000 And I've had to realize, still after all these years, I have to recognize I'm not putting God first and I'm not going to Him most.
00:16:55.000 Instead of a last resort, I want Him to be my first response.
00:16:59.000 This is nothing but word and wisdom, Brandon Lake, that you're conveying.
00:17:05.000 I got so much from that just then, and this is how I want to relay what I've just been taught and what I'm understanding.
00:17:18.000 When you said, like, you sort of describe elevated states, like, going on tour, it's stimulating and overwhelming.
00:17:29.000 Like, I feel like I've done what you described, I've done the other way around.
00:17:33.000 Like, because I feel, and I don't mean this in any way as an assault on my parents, right, because I love Barbara Brand and I love Ron Brand very, very much.
00:17:47.000 But the cultural message that I received had, I would say, no God in it.
00:17:54.000 Like, none.
00:17:56.000 I'm reading at the suggestion of Jordan Peterson at the moment a book called The Sacred and the Profane.
00:18:05.000 And in The Sacred and the Profane, this sort of anthropological, psychological text describes how there was a time where everyone would have lived in sacredness, like early mankind.
00:18:21.000 If you want to take a biblical perspective, Adam and Eve walk in the garden with God, the triune God right there. 0.92
00:18:29.000 If you want to take a historical, anthropological perspective...
00:18:35.000 You know, like early tribes, like indigenous tribes that you can still look at now that have not been intersected by a civilization.
00:18:44.000 Like, they see everything as sacred.
00:18:46.000 The act of making love is sacred.
00:18:48.000 The act of eating is sacred.
00:18:49.000 There's rituals probably for defecation, that everything is connected to God.
00:18:54.000 Now, nothing is.
00:18:56.000 Everything is profane. 0.54
00:18:58.000 Sex is for fun. 0.88
00:18:59.000 Food is for pleasure.
00:19:01.000 Yet the culture still recognizes there's something very important about sex.
00:19:05.000 That's what pornography is. 0.99
00:19:06.000 People are trying to, like, whoa, there's power in this.
00:19:10.000 You know, why are people taking pictures of food on Instagram the whole time?
00:19:14.000 It's sacred.
00:19:15.000 It's sacred.
00:19:16.000 This is your life.
00:19:16.000 It's important.
00:19:17.000 This is your life.
00:19:18.000 But they've somehow, we somehow...
00:19:20.000 I've extracted God out of it.
00:19:22.000 Me, I got hit with the idea that self is God.
00:19:26.000 This is not the fault of my parents.
00:19:27.000 My parents are just one generation back in the same cultural spew that regurgitated me out of Satan's belly. 0.88
00:19:38.000 And the culture sort of tells you that yourself and what you want plus yourself and what you don't want is the whole of the law.
00:19:47.000 There ain't anything else except the avoidance of fear and the fulfilment of desire.
00:19:51.000 So what you described there, going straight from tour to Disney World, I've lived that.
00:19:55.000 That's my whole life.
00:19:57.000 Like, and I see, like, addiction, Brandon, as an attempt, and this is the best word I've come up with, is an attempt to defibrillate continually, a stimulating state that we might call divine down here on this plane.
00:20:15.000 Now, you said, you said, first, what did you say?
00:20:20.000 Put God first and God most.
00:20:23.000 Was that it?
00:20:23.000 Yeah.
00:20:24.000 First and foremost, yes sir.
00:20:26.000 I was in this last week, someone told me, Jeff Cavins, who's a Catholic scholar, former pastor, who returned to his native Catholicism, said, obviously spotting that I'm a person with an inclination towards and a tendency towards intellectualism and endless neurological Pirouettes.
00:20:55.000 He said, like, the main things are the plain things.
00:21:00.000 Like, when looking at the Word and looking at Scripture, the main things are the plain things and the plain things are the main things.
00:21:07.000 Like, you know, so I don't, you know, and like, so for me, I'm hit hard with something like, like, love one another as I've loved you and love God with all your heart.
00:21:19.000 Like, I'll get it, go and be loving, go and be loving.
00:21:22.000 So every time I get caught up in, now what do we do about homosexuals?
00:21:28.000 You know, like, or...
00:21:30.000 You know, it's like, you know...
00:21:32.000 And even when I asked John Rich...
00:21:35.000 John Rich, who I like, I figured I was like, you know, he's there with a cowboy hat and a handle by a mustache.
00:21:40.000 You know, he's a straight-up country singer. 0.99
00:21:42.000 I'm like, this guy's going to say, gay people are going to hell! 0.99
00:21:47.000 He's like, you know, he's like, I'm not judging nobody. 0.99
00:21:51.000 I've got, um, there's no separate compartments in hell.
00:21:53.000 I'm not judging nobody.
00:21:55.000 I'm dealing with my thing.
00:21:56.000 I'm dealing with me, right?
00:21:58.000 Yeah.
00:21:58.000 So, and I love that because, you know, we live in the complexity of Scripture, of judging people and the legalese of Scripture.
00:22:07.000 So...
00:22:09.000 What I want to say, now what I want to get to is what seems to be your main point, or your father's point that you've conveyed kindly to me, is this intimacy with God.
00:22:17.000 This intimacy that's required.
00:22:19.000 Because as a person that's spent their whole life trying to find God through self, trying to find reverence, divinity, connection through self, as I begin to know intimacy with Jesus Christ, I recognise...
00:22:33.000 It was there all along in him that it's the only solution available.
00:22:38.000 The thing I resisted, and with me, luckily it's obvious, luckily it's obvious, I believed in Jesus always.
00:22:48.000 That's been there ages, that tattoo of Jesus on my forearm.