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00:10:53.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders, and thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand, where we'll be talking about war, and democracy, and the delicate issue of political endorsement.

00:11:07.000 Yes, you're right, I am wearing a tiny hat that appears to have garnered a great deal of fandom, particularly in the Rumble chat.

00:11:15.000 Hello, Kyle Rhino.

00:11:16.000 Hello, The Real Mix.

00:11:17.000 Hello, Frustrated Vibration.

00:11:19.000 Hello, Captain Chaos, and second...

00:11:22.000 I'm sending my love and appreciation to all of you back in Stay Free HQ in the UK.

00:11:30.000 Coming at you at 9 p.t.

00:11:31.000 12 e.t.

00:11:32.000 and whatever this is g.m.t.

00:11:38.000 It's simply a number, a drift in chaos, a drift in a kind of madness.

00:11:43.000 Joe Biden's inviting us to ignore time.

00:11:45.000 We'll be looking later at the peace deal that Putin's proposed and what the point is in having a Ukraine peace summit when Putin simultaneously is offering terms of peace and being snubbed and denied.

00:12:01.000 Frank Daniel.

00:12:02.000 I love the hat.

00:12:02.000 Thanks.

00:12:03.000 I appreciate that, guys.

00:12:04.000 You could become an awakened wonder like Sensitive Hearts or Purple Flower.

00:12:08.000 If you were one, you'd be able to watch our Alex Jones interview right now.

00:12:11.000 My mind was blown, as it continually is, by the shamanic evangelical skills of Alex Jones, who seems to be able to simultaneously convey information Invite forgiveness, because I was looking at, you know, they made a documentary about Alex Jones condemning his allegation that Sandy Hook was a false flag event, and I read an article on it in Legacy Media, and they said sort of like, you know, the distress that Alex Jones caused by alleging that, and of course, you know, excuse me, I'm a parent, but perhaps you don't have to be a parent to imagine the grief you would feel if your child lost their life, and then if someone subsequently said

00:12:50.000 That the event had somehow been manufactured.

00:12:53.000 But of course that is not the same as the event itself.

00:12:56.000 And Alex Jones has always said that he didn't say precisely what he was accused of.

00:13:01.000 My wife has that blouse. 1.00

00:13:02.000 My wife bought me this blouse, as a matter of fact.

00:13:05.000 I had a great conversation with her.

00:13:06.000 I said, look, what about when people say that you're controlled opposition?

00:13:09.000 People say I'm controlled opposition.

00:13:11.000 People say that Joe Rogan's controlled opposition.

00:13:15.000 They said that Elon Musk controlled opposition.

00:13:17.000 What do you say to those people?

00:13:19.000 His response to that was fantastic.

00:13:22.000 I'm listening to Russell, but I'm watching the Belgium game.

00:13:24.000 I'm going to try and make it like when you put on Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon while watching Wizard of Oz.

00:13:29.000 This, what I'm saying, will perfectly align with Belgium.

00:13:34.000 I'm not sure what Belgium are playing.

00:13:35.000 I don't know who else is in that group.

00:13:36.000 Stop wearing your children's hats, says Paleo Armoury.

00:13:40.000 Russell Sawyer hat.

00:13:42.000 Leave this out.

00:13:43.000 Right, let's merchandise these tiny hats. 1.00

00:13:45.000 Regular-sized hats.

00:13:46.000 Let's merchandise them because people want them.

00:13:47.000 So we'll be talking about the negotiation for peace.

00:13:50.000 We'll be talking about the odd phenomena that none of us are able to discuss.

00:13:52.000 We'll be talking about free speech more generally.

00:13:55.000 And the point I wanted to make about Alex Jones is when he was being condemned in a legacy media organisation, a British newspaper called The Guardian, they said, like, he shills his products on there.

00:14:03.000 If you look at any legacy media website, they're all selling products on there.

00:14:07.000 They're all advertising.

00:14:09.000 That's what they do.

00:14:10.000 Do you know that they package and sell your data more prolifically even than pornography sites?

00:14:15.000 Which, as you know, as a born-again saved man...

00:14:20.000 I've got no time for looking at.

00:14:22.000 I've got no time for looking at, baby.

00:14:25.000 Blue Nose Bob 1874.

00:14:26.000 It's a tiny mouse's hat.

00:14:28.000 It is not a tiny hat.

00:14:29.000 Slovakia won against Denmark.

00:14:31.000 I thought it might have been a draw.

00:14:31.000 I don't know that result.

00:14:32.000 I've not looked at it.

00:14:33.000 Look, I'm not here to do... I'm not here to do Euro results, okay?

00:14:37.000 I'm here to talk about how an individual spiritual revolution, an ability for us to bind together with people from different cultures who have different political Different political beliefs from us is going to give us the power to bring about revolution.

00:14:49.000 This is an opportunity for us to recognise that even emergent First Nation movements like, you know, they want Macron out in France.

00:14:56.000 They want our government out in this country.

00:14:58.000 And believe me, swapping Rishi Sunak for Keir Starmer is about as good as swapping Jimmy Savile for Rolf Harris.

00:15:07.000 It's an improvement!

00:15:08.000 But is it enough?

00:15:10.000 Couldn't we do better than that?

00:15:12.000 Could we not improve further?

00:15:14.000 I am sure we could.

00:15:15.000 I'm sure we could.

00:15:16.000 Choose your own maniacs if you're watching this in the United States of America.

00:15:20.000 I suppose it would be... I don't know. 0.60

00:15:22.000 I don't know who's being convicted of those kind of crimes in your country, but it's happening thick and fast, baby!

00:15:26.000 It's happening thick and fast.

00:15:28.000 Trafficking seems to be the name of the game and the aim of the game seems to be keep you divided and...

00:15:32.000 I don't know what's going on with the nature of trafficking.

00:15:35.000 Certainly Alex Jones has got some extraordinary views.

00:15:37.000 All of that is available, if you are an awakened wonder, if you watch the show on Locals.

00:15:41.000 Okay, baby.

00:15:42.000 So, guys, guys, there's 10,000 of you watching on Rumble right now.

00:15:47.000 If you're watching us on YouTube and you want to see the show in its entirety, including our conversation with Rumble CEO Chris Pavlovsky, and I've never seen Chris Pavlovsky, Like this.

00:15:56.000 I talked to him about his inspirations.

00:15:57.000 I talked to him about how he stayed firm.

00:15:59.000 And my favourite bit of the interview, you'll see this in a little while, we'll be putting the majority of it up a little bit on YouTube.

00:16:06.000 No, you won't see any on YouTube.

00:16:07.000 You'll see the majority on Rumble and we're holding a little bit back.

00:16:10.000 When I asked him who you think is a genius that will surprise you.

00:16:13.000 A surprising genius.

00:16:14.000 In fact, let me know in the Rumble chat what surprising person Chris Pawlowski of Rumble think is a genius.

00:16:20.000 Any of you get the right answer.

00:16:21.000 Watch out for this Jim and Angie in the gallery.

00:16:24.000 Any of you get the right answer, we will give you a year's free membership to our Locals channel.

00:16:30.000 But you've got to get it right.

00:16:31.000 Okay, so let me know.

00:16:32.000 That's open to you in the Rumble chat.

00:16:33.000 And if you're only on a month in the Locals chat, We'll give it to you as well, but not if you've already watched it.

00:16:38.000 That would be, that would just be corruption.

00:16:39.000 That would be the kind of cheating that we're opposed to because what we are all about is authenticity, integrity, transparency, clarity and mutual awakening together.

00:16:48.000 My favourite bit of the Chris Pavlovsky conversation is when he said 20 years ago the internet was all about free speech, like Reddit, Instagram, Twitter, they were all about free speech.

00:16:57.000 So how did we arrive at a point where the default is surveillance and censorship?

00:17:02.000 How did it happen?

00:17:03.000 Okay?

00:17:04.000 If you are not subscribing to our YouTube channel yet, subscribe to it and turn on notifications.

00:17:08.000 That's the only way you are ever going to know.

00:17:10.000 If you are watching this on YouTube and you haven't turned on notifications yet, Turn on notifications now because the algorithm is gonna get you, the algorithm is gonna get you, and it's gonna ensure that you live in a reality that's entirely curated by media forces that want you compliant and subjugated.

00:17:25.000 I'll be talking about that in a minute, as well as commenting on Ricky Gervais's brilliant attack on celebrity endorsements of politicians.

00:17:32.000 You'll love that.

00:17:33.000 You'll love my... What's his name?

00:17:35.000 I did ask you guys.

00:17:36.000 Is he called Alex de Tocqueville?

00:17:37.000 Remember that?

00:17:38.000 Come down, write it down on a bit of paper for me, baby.

00:17:38.000 Let me know.

00:17:41.000 I'd love to know the full name of the guy that I'm quoting in a minute.

00:17:45.000 My friend sent me this quote from... I think he's called Alex de Tocqueville, but someone's going to tell me the actual answer.

00:17:50.000 Brilliant.

00:17:51.000 Alexis de Tocqueville, or just talk straight up Tocqueville.

00:17:55.000 Alexis de Tocqueville.

00:17:56.000 Alexis de Tocqueville.

00:17:58.000 Like Alexis de Tocqueville's analysis of democracy.

00:18:01.000 You're going to love that.

00:18:01.000 But before we do any of that stuff, remember if you're watching this on YouTube, I'll be there for about another eight minutes.

00:18:06.000 Then we're going to be streaming en route.

00:18:08.000 We're going to be streaming like Joe Biden's pants at G7 Summit, baby.

00:18:14.000 But what we will be streaming will not be bodily effluvia or diarrhoea.

00:18:18.000 It will be truths, baby.

00:18:21.000 Sweet Lady Truth herself will be Running freely. 0.98

00:18:25.000 Recovering wanker. 0.70

00:18:26.000 You could say, Gareth, all you want is having a day off because it's a travel day, but some of us... 0.95

00:18:30.000 Some of us do not require a travel day.

00:18:35.000 Because we go stronger from a jet land.

00:18:40.000 We get stronger.

00:18:43.000 Who does Chris Pavlovsky think is a genius?

00:18:45.000 We'll give you one year.

00:18:46.000 One year free.

00:18:47.000 Roxanne, do you know the score?

00:18:49.000 Z Warrior 27.

00:18:50.000 It's not Musk.

00:18:51.000 It's not Musk.

00:18:52.000 Do a follow-up on Somerset Gimp, Russell.

00:18:54.000 I remember that Somerset Gimp. 1.00

00:18:56.000 I remember that story.

00:18:57.000 That was weird.

00:18:58.000 I don't not need... I don't... The locals chat's not moving.

00:19:01.000 Can you make the locals chat move, guys?

00:19:02.000 I need to see who's there in locals.

00:19:04.000 We got... These people are our paid supporters and we've got to stay connected to them.

00:19:08.000 Oh lord!

00:19:09.000 Connection is what we need, right?

00:19:12.000 That's it, baby.

00:19:13.000 Keep it alive.

00:19:14.000 We're moving.

00:19:15.000 Not Peterson.

00:19:15.000 Not... That wasn't Andy Kaufman impression.

00:19:17.000 Did you like that?

00:19:18.000 And it wasn't Gareth.

00:19:19.000 He said he's a genius.

00:19:20.000 Oh.

00:19:21.000 No, it's not Bill Hicks.

00:19:22.000 It's not Alex Jones.

00:19:23.000 It's not Putin.

00:19:23.000 It's not Joe Biden.

00:19:24.000 It's not even the world's number one tiny hat wearer.

00:19:29.000 Oh Russ, I was pretty disappointed by that.

00:19:30.000 That was Tony Clifton that I was doing an impression of.

00:19:32.000 You're right.

00:19:33.000 It's not Prince.

00:19:33.000 None of you are gonna get it.

00:19:34.000 It's a really surprising person to say is a genius.

00:19:37.000 I miss your acting.

00:19:39.000 Yeah, he was a good actor.

00:19:40.000 I was one of the best.

00:19:42.000 One of the best singers in the world!

00:19:45.000 Okay let's have a look at um...

00:19:47.000 When you meet the Holy Father, the Pope, the man who carries the mantle of Peter, the first Pope,

00:19:55.000 what you don't want to do is sniff him so hard that a cynical man might have thought

00:20:00.000 that a nine-year-old girl's shampoo was under that tiny Pope hat! 1.00

00:20:13.000 I will sniff that sanctity right up my snout.

00:20:18.000 Have a look at Javier Mille, populist libertarian leader of Argentina.

00:20:24.000 You can see this dude is not impressed.

00:20:27.000 What?

00:20:30.000 What the?

00:20:33.000 He's recoiling.

00:20:34.000 He's recoiling as only a fellow Argentinian can. 1.00

00:20:37.000 It's not Kamala Harris.

00:20:39.000 It's not Kamala Harris.

00:20:39.000 She's not a genius.

00:20:41.000 I like when Tim Dillon says she talks like a gypsy, like everything sounds like a mad prediction. 1.00

00:20:45.000 That was pretty dope.

00:20:46.000 That was pretty dope.

00:20:48.000 Now...

00:20:50.000 My wife sticks up for me.

00:20:51.000 That's why she allows me to wear this tiny hat.

00:20:54.000 And that's why she bought me for Father's Day.

00:20:56.000 Happy Father's Day to you fathers out there. 1.00

00:20:58.000 You, I mean, I think we can say this quite literally, you glorious motherfuckers. 0.99

00:21:01.000 I think we can say that to fathers, can we? 1.00

00:21:03.000 I think we can say that.

00:21:04.000 Forgive my language.

00:21:05.000 Forgive my language.

00:21:07.000 It was Andy.

00:21:08.000 Yes, it was Tony Clifton.

00:21:09.000 But the quiz, who is the genius?

00:21:11.000 It's not Thomas Massey.

00:21:12.000 Come on.

00:21:13.000 You're going to get a year's free thing.

00:21:13.000 Come on.

00:21:15.000 You can do it.

00:21:16.000 He had to get close to smell his tiny amount of hair.

00:21:19.000 Now listen, while my wife loyally sticks up for me and adorns me in a leopard-skin jacket that could be worn by a middle-aged prostitute of either gender, of either, here's Jill Biden making some extraordinary claims about Biden's age.

00:21:36.000 This election is most certainly not about age. 0.99

00:21:41.000 Joe and that other guy... Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they've got something to say but nothing comes out when they move their lips just about the gibberish and got motherfuckers act like it's not about age. 0.98

00:21:50.000 ...are essentially the same age. 0.98

00:21:53.000 Let's not be... The same age! 0.98

00:21:54.000 It's not age!

00:21:55.000 People aren't...

00:21:57.000 Bemused by the numerical demonstration, the calendrical indicator, by a number on a page, it's the head-sniffing! 0.52

00:22:07.000 It's the self-defecating!

00:22:10.000 It's the stage-wandering!

00:22:12.000 It's not the number, it's the behaviour!

00:22:16.000 It's the conduct and possibly it's the hypocrisy and corruption as NATO nations march us towards Armageddon.

00:22:23.000 How do you think they're going to avoid this election?

00:22:26.000 How?

00:22:26.000 Do you think that there's going to be some kind of...

00:22:31.000 A public incident?

00:22:32.000 Do you think there's going to be a kind of civil war?

00:22:34.000 How do you think they're going to avoid it?

00:22:37.000 I'm fascinated to find out.

00:22:39.000 If you're watching this on YouTube, we're going to be here for a couple more minutes.

00:22:41.000 Then become an awakened wonder like Tiger Tiger.

00:22:44.000 Yeah, I wish it had been me that Chris Pavlovsky said was a genius, but he did not.

00:22:49.000 It was somebody else.

00:22:50.000 But you're getting warmer because it was a rumble creator.

00:22:54.000 Yeah, probably the most.

00:22:55.000 Is it maybe the most famous rumble creator?

00:22:58.000 I don't know.

00:22:59.000 You tell me.

00:23:00.000 You tell me.

00:23:01.000 Now, this is a time where, with elections in my country, with emergency elections in France, with elections across the world, as populism Is on the rise, plainly, whether or not you think it's the right kind of populism, whether you think centralised democracies or institutions that claim to be democratic can succeed anymore.

00:23:19.000 We're certainly seeing a quaking and a shaking.

00:23:22.000 It's not Bongino.

00:23:23.000 It's not Greenwald.

00:23:24.000 It's not Bongino or Greenwald.

00:23:26.000 Nah.

00:23:27.000 And I've given you a clue now.

00:23:28.000 It's not Tucker, critical thoughts.

00:23:30.000 It's not Greenwald, copper steel coat.

00:23:32.000 You won't believe it.

00:23:33.000 I didn't believe it.

00:23:34.000 But it kind of makes sense when you think about it.

00:23:37.000 Yes!

00:23:38.000 Bob Matthews 43.

00:23:39.000 Send us your email.

00:23:41.000 Andrew Tate.

00:23:41.000 It was... Well, you're gonna have to watch it.

00:23:43.000 Shit, I've given away the surprise. 0.99

00:23:44.000 But you won't believe this. 1.00

00:23:46.000 He believes Tate is a genius.

00:23:48.000 It's a good... It's a good conversation.

00:23:51.000 You, mate, I've said your name out loud so that will have been captured.

00:23:54.000 Send your email in and we will send you a year's membership and you can watch the Alex Jones conversation.

00:23:58.000 Now, you'll be able to see my conversation with Jonathan Rumi coming up.

00:24:01.000 You'll be able to see my conversation with Elon Musk and Donald Trump for Lord alone knows.

00:24:07.000 We've got a...

00:24:07.000 Book that stuff!

00:24:08.000 Steve Banner's not a bad guest.

00:24:09.000 That guy understands social movement.

00:24:13.000 But it's a brilliant conversation with Chris.

00:24:14.000 That's coming up soon, baby.

00:24:16.000 That is coming up soon.

00:24:18.000 Let's have a look at this though.

00:24:20.000 Many of us were so Charmed and enchanted by Ricky Gervais's Golden Globe performances, that forever now we'll be in Ricky Gervais's thrall.

00:24:31.000 Now there may be a bunch of things, well not a bunch of things, one thing in particular that I would say, well I know about that Ricky Gervais, and that thing is of course atheism.

00:24:40.000 I'm a believer as you guys know.

00:24:43.000 But when it comes to the role of celebrity in culture, there's few people that have a more interesting take on it than Ricky Gervais.

00:24:50.000 Here's Ricky Gervais now condemning the celebrity political endorsement.

00:24:55.000 Have you ever wondered why Taylor Swift is so important?

00:24:59.000 Like, she's on the chessboard of politics.

00:25:01.000 She's the queen.

00:25:02.000 She can go in every direction. 0.98

00:25:03.000 Hip-hop, country, endorsing Joe Biden.

00:25:06.000 You know?

00:25:07.000 But do you care anymore about celebrity endorsements?

00:25:09.000 Does it matter to you that Kid Rock endorses Donald Trump or who's the dude, Dennis Quaid?

00:25:09.000 Do you care anymore?

00:25:14.000 Do you care anymore?

00:25:16.000 Ricky Gervais thinks that, and it's always said, one of his angles is, Ricky Gervais, you come from a normal background, you know.

00:25:21.000 Ricky Gervais has always said, what are you listening to celebrities for?

00:25:24.000 But I've not watched this yet.

00:25:25.000 This is my first time watching it with you.

00:25:27.000 If you're watching this on YouTube, remember, click the link in the description.

00:25:30.000 We're going to be with you for another 40 minutes streaming live on Rumble.

00:25:33.000 Join the chat with Sharkbait and Parsnip Farmer and Moe Van and Strongus and Mark LG.

00:25:40.000 Russell, you're siding with the wrong people, says Sam in a THC.

00:25:43.000 Do you think I'm siding with anybody?

00:25:45.000 I'm on your side.

00:25:46.000 I'm on the side of individual sovereignty and liberty.

00:25:48.000 I don't want you to tell me what to do.

00:25:49.000 You don't want me telling you what to do.

00:25:51.000 There's no reason for centralised institutions, governmental or corporate, to be in control of your life.

00:25:55.000 There's no reason.

00:25:57.000 For a legacy media to be bombarding you with false information continually to curate a reality for you where you are compliant and subjugated.

00:26:05.000 There's no reason for us to participate in the illusion of democracy anymore.

00:26:08.000 And as Ricky Gervais says, there's no reason for any of us to take celebrity endorsements seriously.

00:26:15.000 For the past few years, we've seen a massive pushback.

00:26:17.000 Now, I did say, guys, get the original Ricky Gervais video, not the thing I'm posting you.

00:26:23.000 So I'm going to give you a few minutes to grab the original Ricky Gervais video and to stick it on the deck for me.

00:26:29.000 The original Ricky Gervais video, which he would have posted on X. So you'll have to go on X. You'll have to look up Ricky Gervais' account.

00:26:34.000 You'll have to scroll through it.

00:26:35.000 You'll find the original video.

00:26:36.000 You'll have to rip it.

00:26:37.000 You'll have to put it on a deck.

00:26:39.000 But you could have done that earlier, but it's okay.

00:26:40.000 I recognise these things happen in life.

00:26:42.000 We're going to come back to that Ricky Gervais video.

00:26:45.000 And this is a brilliant opportunity for me to go into Alexis de Tocqueville's analysis of democracy.

00:26:52.000 Let's have a little look at that while these guys pull that out of the stream and stick it on.

00:26:56.000 Maybe stick it on button five.

00:26:57.000 I don't know what you've got to do.

00:26:58.000 You can tell me that bit.

00:26:59.000 That bit I'm going to hand over to you guys.

00:27:01.000 Now let's have a look at this.

00:27:02.000 This is...

00:27:04.000 A brilliant appraisal of what we should really fear when it comes to tyranny.

00:27:10.000 Technological dictatorships and real tyranny.

00:27:15.000 You're gonna love this.

00:27:16.000 It's extraordinary.

00:27:17.000 Calm down, Russell.

00:27:18.000 Your team works hard.

00:27:19.000 You think they weren't calm?

00:27:20.000 I once saw, um...

00:27:22.000 Amma!

00:27:22.000 Sort of saying to people that they couldn't play, they weren't playing a keyboard properly.

00:27:25.000 She was like, man, she were cold.

00:27:27.000 There is nothing wrong with communicating standards, guys.

00:27:31.000 You do it respectfully, you do it lovingly, but you communicate standards.

00:27:34.000 How do you think we changed the world?

00:27:36.000 Well, by analysing this kind of information from Alexius to Tocqueville.

00:27:39.000 Let's have a look.

00:27:40.000 Let me do a bit of a...

00:27:47.000 Is that the bit that was in an image?

00:27:49.000 Is that the bit that was in an image?

00:27:51.000 Six, seven, eight... Where this is it?

00:27:57.000 This is the element.

00:27:58.000 Okay, so this is Alexis de Tocqueville on equality.

00:28:01.000 When citizens are all equal, almost equal, it becomes difficult for them When citizens are all almost equal, it becomes difficult for them to defend their independence against the aggressions of power.

00:28:16.000 As none of them is strong enough to fight alone with advantage, the only guarantee of liberty is for everyone to combine forces.

00:28:23.000 Modern democracy, de Tocqueville feared, would become adept at new forms of tyranny.

00:28:30.000 This is the bit that I really want to focus on.

00:28:32.000 New forms of tyranny.

00:28:34.000 In such conditions, we might become so enamoured with the relaxed love of present enjoyments that we lose interest in the future of our descendants and meekly allow ourselves to be led in ignorance by a despotic force, all the more powerful because it does not resemble one.

00:28:51.000 I love that.

00:28:52.000 I love this.

00:28:53.000 Think of how tyranny is masked and veiled now.

00:28:54.000 with the relaxed love of present enjoyments, that we lose interest in the future of our

00:28:58.000 descendants and meekly allow ourselves to be led in ignorance by a despotic force all

00:29:02.000 the more powerful because it does not resemble one.

00:29:05.000 Think of what, think of how tyranny is masked and veiled now.

00:29:10.000 Think of how tyranny claims to care about you.

00:29:13.000 That they come, not to control you, but to protect you.

00:29:17.000 We're just going to lock you in your houses to protect you.

00:29:19.000 We're just proposing 15 minute cities to protect you.

00:29:22.000 We just need you to carry this vaccine passport in order to know that you are safe and that we can keep others safe.

00:29:32.000 Brilliant.

00:29:33.000 And our present enjoyments so distracted by pleasure, so adrift in not joy but distraction and a kind of numbness that we have lost all connection and vision of our duties.

00:29:47.000 Meekly allow ourselves to be led in ignorance by a despotic force all the more powerful because it does not resemble one.

00:29:52.000 Talk feel worried that despotism in a democracy Would be a much more dangerous version than the oppression under the tyrants of the past.

00:30:00.000 Despotism under a democracy could see a multitude of men, uniformly alike, equal, constantly circling for petty pleasures, unaware of fellow citizens, and subject to the will of a powerful state which exerted an immense protective power.

00:30:14.000 That is the power that's being asserted upon you.

00:30:17.000 Let us protect you.

00:30:18.000 You are vulnerable.

00:30:19.000 You don't know what information's true.

00:30:22.000 Let us protect you from that information. 1.00

00:30:25.000 You're too stupid. 1.00

00:30:26.000 You're too infantile. 1.00

00:30:28.000 You're like a child.

00:30:29.000 Let us gather you up in our arms.

00:30:31.000 Tocqueville predicted, thank you, Tocqueville predicted a potentially a potentially despotic democratic government that wants to

00:30:39.000 keep its citizens as perpetual children. We are being continually infantilised. You're

00:30:43.000 seeing this, you're feeling it, and which does not break men's wills, but rather guides it and

00:30:47.000 presides over people in the same way as a shepherd looking after a flock of timid

00:30:51.000 animals. And the most nefarious thing I think about it is the assertion as the central image, the

00:30:58.000 idea of the shepherd and the flock, a key Christian image, a key image in many faiths because

00:31:04.000 of the agricultural realities of the time that many of those religions were devised or at

00:31:10.000 least inscribed.

00:31:12.000 The state has indeed replaced the Lord at the centre of our culture while telling us that all of our answers can come from materialism and imperialism and examination.

00:31:22.000 No need for faith, no need for unity, no need for redemption or salvation.

00:31:28.000 Let us replace the Lord.

00:31:30.000 All the qualities of a religion except for atonement and salvation and glory and joy. 0.99

00:31:35.000 Where we're numbly ushered into a Huxley-esque dystopia that tells us it's utopic through the soma. 0.76

00:31:43.000 Not just SOMA alone, but through screens and distractions too.

00:31:47.000 Whilst you will recognise Orwell's boot when it lands on your face, you'll be more baffled yet by Kafka's bureaucratic entanglement.

00:31:56.000 You don't know what it is you did wrong, but you are to be a child forever.

00:32:01.000 When we look at those three pieces of literature, the trial by Kafka, Brave New World by Huxley, 1984 by Orwell.

00:32:10.000 We see what the Tocqueville is telling us.

00:32:13.000 That it is a form of democracy that will present us with new tyranny.

00:32:18.000 You can vote for this guy or this guy.

00:32:20.000 You can vote for Keir Starmer or Rishi Sunak as if that's any kind of choice at all.

00:32:25.000 You can vote for Joe Biden or whatever else is put up before you.

00:32:28.000 It's a long way till November, baby.

00:32:31.000 It's a long way till November.

00:32:34.000 Let me tell you my deep heartfelt belief that unless we awaken, unless we become units of revolution and radicalism ourselves, and the most radical thing we'll be able to do is reach out in love and in faith to one another, to put aside our fears of one another, to find our own journey to divinity inwardly, so strong and so bold that we will not be a feared or controlled by those systems of despotism that want to protect us To within an inch of our lives.

00:33:00.000 But that's just what I think.

00:33:01.000 Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:33:04.000 Whether you're watching this on YouTube, where you should subscribe right now and click that link in the description and get on over.

00:33:08.000 In fact, start the countdown.

00:33:09.000 I'm going to do that Ricky Gervais thing.

00:33:11.000 Then we're going to talk about that crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy war we're being ushered into.

00:33:14.000 So if you're watching us on YouTube, we're leaving now.

00:33:16.000 Chris Pawlowski's interview where he talks about how he's built Rumble.

00:33:20.000 Do you want to become a tech billionaire?

00:33:21.000 Do you remember when being a tech billionaire was a pretty innocuous thing?

00:33:25.000 Like, they're eligible bachelors!

00:33:27.000 Now, They're CIA maniacs! 0.72

00:33:30.000 They're working for the CIA! 0.93

00:33:32.000 Pulling strings?

00:33:33.000 Are we the baddies now, Hans?

00:33:34.000 Click the link in the description if you watch us on YouTube.

00:33:36.000 Get on over to Rumble for this fantastic interview.

00:33:38.000 If you're not an awakened wonder yet, become an awakened wonder now.

00:33:41.000 Let's have a look at Ricky Gervais.

00:33:43.000 Massey, you can use the intro that I was doing before we found out we didn't have it.

00:33:49.000 Hi, guys.

00:33:50.000 Ricky G here.

00:33:52.000 Wellness and beauty influencer.

00:33:55.000 As a celebrity, I know all about stuff.

00:33:58.000 Like science and politics.

00:34:01.000 So trust me when I tell you who you should vote for.

00:34:04.000 If you don't vote the right way, it's like a hate crime.

00:34:07.000 And it makes me sad and angry.

00:34:09.000 And I'll leave the country.

00:34:10.000 And you don't want that.

00:34:17.000 My favourite bit is the lingering ending where I'm assuming Ricky Gervais is shooting this on his own phone in what sounds like a pretty large bathroom to me.

00:34:26.000 And then just lets it run down.

00:34:28.000 Because, of course, what Ricky Gervais has always been good on is remembering who he is and where he's from.

00:34:34.000 A lot of the time, when someone gets super famous, you think, where did they come from?

00:34:38.000 Ricky Gervais was, I feel like, maybe 40 when the British office became a big hit.

00:34:43.000 So he's a person that's never lost his connection with his working class roots. 0.54

00:34:46.000 And maybe the sense that comes along with that, that the world of celebrity is pretty Bloody stupid and empty and vacuous and it's trying to make you delirious and it's just part of the distractions that we were describing a minute ago when we were analysing the Tocqueville because here on Rumble we talk about philosophy. 0.87

00:35:03.000 We talk about sociology. 0.97

00:35:04.000 We're awakening together.

00:35:06.000 Click the link in the description.

00:35:07.000 Let me know what you think about Ricky Gervais there.

00:35:08.000 Would you trust Ricky Gervais?

00:35:09.000 Is there a celebrity in the public eye that you would trust above Ricky Gervais?

00:35:12.000 Let me know what you think in the chat below.

00:35:16.000 War!

00:35:17.000 What is it good for?

00:35:19.000 It's good for controlling people, it's good for generating revenue.

00:35:21.000 That's why when Putin proposes a peace deal that's pretty much in alignment with what Russian leaders have always said since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Cold War, it's granted as some extraordinary slur.

00:35:35.000 And an attack on the sacred Zelensky, that modern Saint Zelensky.

00:35:39.000 Oh Zelensky, why don't you light up the golden globes with another plea for another few billions?

00:35:46.000 Oh Zelensky, why aren't you presented as a hero for cancelling elections? 0.97

00:35:50.000 For playing the piano with erections?

00:35:53.000 For condemning Jan 6th insurrections?

00:35:55.000 Oh sweet Zelensky, how can I love thee more?

00:35:58.000 Now he might be alright, I don't know why I got into that so much.

00:36:01.000 He's a comedian that ended up leading a country and lord alone knows that's a path that Many comedians have contemplated from time to time, but imagine the assassination attempts. 0.99

00:36:10.000 Who wants to put up with that bullshit? 0.99

00:36:11.000 What I would say is this... 1.00

00:36:15.000 What the hell's going on between Ukraine and Russia?

00:36:17.000 It's certainly a lot more complicated than what you'll read in the legacy media.

00:36:20.000 We know that in 2014, the CIA intervened to bring about an insurrection and to bring down a democratically elected government.

00:36:28.000 There are complex regional and ethnic relationships between Ukraine and Russia at various points in its history.

00:36:34.000 It hasn't even been a nation.

00:36:35.000 In fact, let's pause for a moment and reflect and remember that a nation is a construct.

00:36:41.000 That's perhaps why there's so much tension across the United States of America right now, because Texas is indeed different from California, which is different from Florida, which is different from Minnesota.

00:36:50.000 There are at least 50 potential Americas out there, and I'm starting to get an inkling that the more power centralizes at the level of the state and the nation, the easier it is to do global corporate deals these days with technology companies that will be interested in surveillance and censorship and control.

00:37:09.000 And when we talk about Mussolini's terrifying vision that fascism would ultimately become state and corporate power combined, and he knows a thing or two about fascism.

00:37:18.000 He was the first out of the bloc.

00:37:20.000 He was very much the Bill Haley to Hitler's Elvis, if you want to be reductive about military dictators.

00:37:26.000 So, when Putin says all we want is Ukraine not to join NATO and for Ukrainian troops to withdraw out of the territories that have currently been conquered by Russian forces, We might consider whether or not that is a better deal than continuing to fund this war.

00:37:43.000 Because you know what Julian Assange said about Afghanistan?

00:37:46.000 They don't want quick wars. 0.99

00:37:47.000 They want expensive wars.

00:37:48.000 The function of war and the function of government is one function.

00:37:52.000 To transfer your money, public money, into private hands.

00:37:56.000 Let me know what you think about that in the chat.

00:37:58.000 And that's what happened in Afghanistan.

00:37:59.000 Two trillion dollars of your money, it's American money, transferred into... I wonder where that ended up.

00:38:05.000 Do you imagine that it... Who do you think got it?

00:38:08.000 Was it a troop somewhere?

00:38:09.000 Is that why 22 former service people a day commit suicide?

00:38:14.000 Was it a member of the American military?

00:38:16.000 Is that why many of them are still in active service?

00:38:19.000 Let me know if you are a service person.

00:38:21.000 Are still having to use food banks.

00:38:23.000 I think it's 40% of them.

00:38:24.000 So let me know where you think these trillions of dollars are ending up and I'll give you a couple of clues.

00:38:31.000 Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and Boeing.

00:38:33.000 They are certainly better at controlling your government than they are installing doors on aeroplanes if recent events are anything to go by.

00:38:42.000 So let's have a look at Putin's peace deal and the reason that it might be rejected.

00:38:47.000 Straight after that we're going to Chris Pavlovsky.

00:38:50.000 We asked you, in fact can you play this in because it's on asset number 40, we asked you do you think instead of having a Ukraine peace conference should NATO countries just accept Putin's deal?

00:39:05.000 And most of you said Yeah, that would be a good way of not having a nuclear war.

00:39:10.000 Chatter X in the rumble chat, their goal is to have endless war, not a successful war. 0.88

00:39:14.000 Julian Assange, where's he now?

00:39:15.000 He's on a beach somewhere.

00:39:16.000 He's in Belmarsh prison, as you know.

00:39:18.000 Evil Wendy Bird, I'm a reservist in the military.

00:39:21.000 I have massive respect for all service personnel, because sacrifice and service are the values we have to return to.

00:39:21.000 Respect!

00:39:27.000 Lord alone knows that's what I'm working on.

00:39:30.000 So, This becomes all the more relevant and interesting because if indeed they do have a 10-year plan and at the G7 they've just agreed 10 years of funding using your money and my money to continue to fund a war that's costing Ukrainian lives and I pray, I pray for the end of the deaths of Ukrainian people, I pray for the end of the destruction of Ukrainian territory, I pray for peace oh lord in Jesus name we pray.

00:39:55.000 This is not anti-Ukrainian, this is not pro-Putin, this is pro-you, Me and humanity.

00:40:01.000 As your man Donald Trump said controversially, I just want people to stop dying.

00:40:07.000 And I remember a time when that didn't be, it didn't used to be a controversial opinion to hold.

00:40:11.000 And is it a cause for concern that we are seeing now?

00:40:16.000 It's not a sad hat, it's a fantastic hat. 1.00

00:40:17.000 Fuck you, E.H.L. 1.00

00:40:19.000 Howard. 1.00

00:40:19.000 Fuck you! 1.00

00:40:21.000 Oh no, it wasn't, it's not the first person. 1.00

00:40:22.000 Sorry H. Howard, you were praying.

00:40:22.000 Burnslot.

00:40:24.000 I got off the The stream was going past so fast I told the wrong person to fuck himself! 0.99

00:40:30.000 And then there's an Epstein quote in there somewhere. 0.99

00:40:31.000 I mean, that's the kind of problem that dude had too!

00:40:33.000 So, let's have a look at this.

00:40:36.000 Let's have a look at the fact that the House of Representatives has passed a measure automatically registering men aged 18 to 26 for selective service.

00:40:45.000 And you'll remember, guys, that I asked for the rest of the article to be printed out, so I guess that's here somewhere.

00:40:50.000 Okay, so the House of Representatives passed a measure on Friday automatically registering men aged 18 to 26 for selective service.

00:40:58.000 It was part of the annual National Defence Authorisation Act which sets out the US government's military and national security priorities for the next fiscal year.

00:41:07.000 This year's NDAA authorises $895.2 billion in military spending and a $9 billion increase from 24.

00:41:14.000 While it hasn't been invoked in over half a century, it's mandatory for all male US citizens to register for the Selective Service, also known for the military draft when they turn 18.

00:41:22.000 Failure to register is classified as a felony and comes with a host of legal charges.

00:41:28.000 Do you think that that's just a coincidence, or do you think that's important?

00:41:32.000 Now, we're seeing this on Fox News, it's legacy media, it's right-wing.

00:41:35.000 What do you guys think?

00:41:35.000 Let me know in the chat if you think that's significant.

00:41:37.000 I'm talking to you, sensitive hearts, I'm talking to all of you guys.

00:41:40.000 Let me know when you've got that article that I requested, guys, and maybe let me know on the mic how long that's going to be.

00:41:48.000 Your hat is great, Russell.

00:41:49.000 27.

00:41:50.000 Thank you.

00:41:50.000 In 27 minutes, I can have it.

00:41:53.000 Oh, it's on an asset.

00:41:54.000 It's registered as an asset.

00:41:55.000 Thank you very much.

00:41:56.000 Thank you.

00:41:57.000 Your hat is great, Russ, if you're a stripper named Cheyenne, says Paul Schober.

00:42:04.000 Stripper's hat. 0.99

00:42:05.000 They're taking this thing in another fucking direction. 1.00

00:42:06.000 I can't believe this stuff. 0.99

00:42:08.000 All right, let's have a look at the rest of this.

00:42:09.000 Well, before we get into the rest of this story and how significant it is that a bill has just been passed that automatically registers fighting-age men to fight in wars, and whenever I hear in right-wing spaces people saying, do you notice that fighting-age males are being criminalized and demoralized and attacked and diminished and diminutized in a thousand ways and decimated and destroyed and annihilated?

00:42:30.000 I think this has got to be a conspiracy, but hmm.

00:42:34.000 Hmm, is it a conspiracy though?

00:42:36.000 Is it though?

00:42:38.000 Now, let's have a look at Putin's, uh, let's have a look at how the legacy... We're still fighting in these troops!

00:42:43.000 Excuse me, let's have a look at how the legacy media, I'm going to play that again, let's have a look at how the legacy media handled Putin's offer of a ceasefire.

00:42:50.000 With the fighting in eastern Ukraine largely remaining a stalemate, Vladimir Putin is trying a new round of diplomacy.

00:42:56.000 The Russian president floating a new peace proposal on Friday calling for an immediate halt to the Russian offensive in exchange for the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from areas already controlled by Moscow and an end to Ukraine's NATO membership process.

00:43:11.000 Russia is offering an option that will make it possible to In a way you might not want to cede the idea that Vladimir Putin is dictating the terms, but for a moment, and I'm really interested in what you guys think about this,

00:43:24.000 Do you believe that Russia, with its history, with its military, with its nuclear capacity, is a kind of, you know, what Donald Trump might call a shithole country, or some adversarial nation that might be dismissed or brushed aside, some Afghanistan, some Iraq or Iran, some Vietnam, some place, some plaything nation on the chessboard of reality?

00:43:44.000 Or do you think that Russia are also a player on the global stage and that you have to negotiate differently with them?

00:43:51.000 Do you back the project that appears to be behind this, a globalist project, a unipower, one world state where both Russia and China are destabilised militarily because economically and financially American power is waning?

00:44:07.000 That what we still think of as the United States of America is essentially a veil for globalist corporate interests, your black rocks, your military-industrial complex, your big pharma, and all of this will disappear down the tunnel of time while you will own nothing and be happy, perhaps on the side of various apocalypses, various apocalypses that lay waste Really end the war in Ukraine.

00:44:32.000 of the population and significantly control those that survive. I was about to say the

00:44:36.000 rest of us like I know for sure that I'm going to like totally live through Armageddon. But

00:44:42.000 I have been saved baby!

00:44:54.000 And even with fighting intensifying along the Eastern Front, they say they're in a good position to stage a counter-offensive in the summer.

00:45:00.000 I've heard all this, good position to stage a counter-offensive in the summer stuff, before.

00:45:08.000 Where was that?

00:45:09.000 Last summer!

00:45:10.000 They're always telling us there's going to be this counter-offensive, aren't they?

00:45:13.000 And that is a war, that's a war lyric as old as time.

00:45:17.000 In the First World War it was always, we'll be owned by Christmas, we'll be owned by Christmas, you know?

00:45:22.000 And then in the Second World War, oh that Hitler, do you know he's only got one bollock? 0.95

00:45:26.000 What difference is that going to make if he's developing UFO Nazi spaceships? 0.81

00:45:30.000 I don't know, he's just going to make it harder to kick him in the bollock.

00:45:34.000 ...attempt to agree on peace and have no relevance to any negotiations.

00:45:37.000 There is no possibility to find compromise.

00:45:40.000 The new diplomatic push by Russia comes as NATO defense ministers meet in Brussels.

00:45:45.000 The United States stands behind NATO's continued support, and our allies and partners will stand by Ukraine for the long haul.

00:45:51.000 Today's announcement... Stand behind Ukraine, stand behind the concept of Ukraine, use Ukraine as a vassal to generate control, to create a bulwark state on the edge of Russia, to generate opportunity for Black Rock, to create opportunity for conscription and control, to maybe usher us towards nuclear war in order to institute more control. 0.87

00:46:11.000 Hey, I pray I'm wrong!

00:46:13.000 I pray this is a conspiracy theory but so many of those conspiracy theories have turned out to be conspiracy facts and indeed if this is a conflict between Ukraine and Russia and Ukraine are not yet a member of NATO and if one of Putin's conditions is don't let Ukraine join NATO on the basis of the agreement that was made between Gorbachev and Reagan of not letting US territories or NATO territories impede on former Soviet borders by even one inch since which time that Agreement has been transgressed by I think a thousand miles and many many countries have been invited to join NATO and that amounts to impinging upon former Soviet territory.

00:46:53.000 That amounts to acts of aggression towards Russia that preceded his invasion of Ukraine and yet of course we continually hear that Putin is the aggressor and as I have to say every time we bring this stuff up I don't like Vladimir Putin either!

00:47:06.000 I don't want that dude in charge of the world but It's odd when you start to imagine that Vladimir Putin's interests might be more closely aligned with yours than Joe Biden's because Vladimir Putin don't want your taxes to fund the military-industrial complex.

00:47:22.000 I don't know.

00:47:22.000 Let me know how you think about it in the chat, guys.

00:47:25.000 And indeed, if this is a conflict, between Ukraine and Russia rather than NATO and Russia.

00:47:30.000 How come the person that responds to the peace deal, first of all, most publicly and most vocally, is Jens Stoltenberg, who's the head of, not Ukraine, but NATO.

00:47:42.000 There's an amazing moment that you should see when India declared its independence from Britain.

00:47:49.000 The new Prime Minister, President or Prime Minister Nehru, the first leader of the Free India, gave his speech to the people of India.

00:47:59.000 We're free now of British tyranny.

00:48:01.000 We're free now of British control.

00:48:03.000 The only thing is, he gave that speech in English.

00:48:08.000 So who was he talking to really?

00:48:10.000 You've got to get more astute when you're watching politics.

00:48:13.000 You've got to see whose power plays are playing out in your reality.

00:48:16.000 We've got to learn to see from history how these things roll out.

00:48:21.000 Let's have a look at Jens Stoltenberg, President of Ukraine.

00:48:24.000 Oh no, he's leader of NATO.

00:48:25.000 Well, that's weird.

00:48:27.000 It's not for Ukraine to withdraw forces from Ukrainian territory.

00:48:34.000 It's for Russia to withdraw their forces from occupied Ukrainian land.

00:48:39.000 So this is not a peace proposal.

00:48:42.000 This is a proposal of more aggression, more occupation.

00:48:51.000 And it demonstrates in a way that Russia's aim is to control Ukraine.

00:48:57.000 Look at his body language, though.

00:48:59.000 Look at his body language, though.

00:49:00.000 He's got his arms folded.

00:49:02.000 He's got his arms folded across the heart chakra.

00:49:05.000 He's got his arms folded across the heart chakra, cos he's telling a lie.

00:49:10.000 Are there any 666s in that NATO thing?

00:49:13.000 What does that star mean?

00:49:14.000 Let me know in the chat, guys. 0.99

00:49:15.000 And I don't trust this Jens Stoltenberg, motherfucker. 1.00

00:49:19.000 I don't trust him! 1.00

00:49:20.000 I don't trust him!

00:49:22.000 And that has been the purpose of Russia since the beginning of this war. 0.94

00:49:27.000 And that's a blatant violation of international law and that's also the reason why NATO allies continue to support Ukraine.

00:49:35.000 So it's a violation of international law.

00:49:36.000 And there have been no NATO countries involved in violation of international law.

00:49:41.000 I don't know what happened in Iraq.

00:49:42.000 Probably there was weapons of mass destruction. 0.99

00:49:44.000 So why don't you shut up?

00:49:47.000 The New York Times have taken a mere two years to observe that there was a peace deal between Zelensky and Putin. 0.97

00:49:54.000 Then Boris Johnson, living cream cake, Former Prime Minister of Britain went there and scuppered it all up.

00:50:02.000 And do you imagine for a single second that Rishi Sunak would have done anything different?

00:50:07.000 Or do you imagine for a single second that Keir Starmer, next Prime Minister of Britain, would do anything different?

00:50:13.000 Of course not!

00:50:14.000 They are all globalists, they are all ultimately controlled by the same forces, supping from the same resources, and by that I mean the teeth of Satan.

00:50:23.000 Let's have a look at the New York Times.

00:50:26.000 This is Glenn Deeson on X. There they are, the New York Times saying, oh well look there was a there was a peace deal in 2022 but it was scuppered by western leaders.

00:50:36.000 Keep up New York Times!

00:50:38.000 We ain't got all bleeding day!

00:50:38.000 Keep up!

00:50:40.000 We ain't got all day darling!

00:50:42.000 Here's fellow rumbler Glenn Greenwald on the subject.

00:50:45.000 The evidence that Biden and NATO and especially Boris Johnson That great giant chick, you know like a little fluffy baby hen, impeded the peace deal is now overwhelming and conclusive.

00:50:56.000 They wanted a prolonged war.

00:50:58.000 The proof includes multiple statements from various world leaders attempting to mediate an agreement.

00:51:03.000 That peace deal was a surprise for your birthday and you've ruined it!

00:51:09.000 You're just like...

00:51:11.000 Putin?

00:51:12.000 Let's have a look at what David Sachs is saying.

00:51:15.000 In January 2022 there was a last-ditch effort at diplomacy to prevent the Ukraine war between Secretary of State Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister... Excuse me, let me slow down a bit.

00:51:26.000 Secretary of State Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

00:51:29.000 At that meeting, Blinken not only declared that NATO's door would remain open to Ukraine, he reversed a previous concession by stating that the US reserved the right to place nuclear weapons on Ukrainian soil.

00:51:41.000 This was a massive provocation.

00:51:43.000 In fact, it was the same provocation that the Soviet Union committed against the US, which led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

00:51:48.000 When will Congressional Republicans subpoena Blinken and get to the bottom Is that what politics is now?

00:52:00.000 I will subpoena you.

00:52:02.000 I will subpoena you so hard, you won't sit down for a week!

00:52:06.000 No, you subpoena me, I'll subpoena you.

00:52:08.000 Can I have a look at your subpoenas?

00:52:10.000 Show me those subpoenas!

00:52:12.000 Get your hands off my subpoenas! 1.00

00:52:14.000 I did not give you consent to look at my subpoenas, baby! 0.99

00:52:19.000 Well, there you go.

00:52:20.000 These are your leaders.

00:52:21.000 This is your politics.

00:52:22.000 This is your Armageddon.

00:52:23.000 This is your war. 0.70

00:52:24.000 This is our opportunity to rise up in unison against these disgusting Luciferian forces that seem to be asserting control on our planet.

00:52:33.000 Now, I know a lot of you condemn dear Bobby Kennedy, my mate, for his Position in particular on Israel.

00:52:40.000 But I plorate for peace everywhere!

00:52:42.000 An end to violence!

00:52:43.000 An end to war! 0.99

00:52:44.000 Here's Bobby Kennedy pretty much summing up the entire damn thing. 0.98

00:52:49.000 And let me know what you think. 0.98

00:52:51.000 Do you feel like outsiders?

00:52:52.000 And I know that's how you see Donald Trump and that's why you love Donald Trump because you think he's a wrecking ball in these democratic institutions.

00:52:59.000 Do you think that it's the likes of Bobby Kennedy and the likes of Donald Trump that are required?

00:53:03.000 Where are the heroes going to rise from?

00:53:06.000 It's got to be from within, isn't it?

00:53:07.000 It's got to be all of us, isn't it?

00:53:08.000 It's not going to be some external hero, is there?

00:53:10.000 It's going to be us.

00:53:10.000 We've got to participate.

00:53:11.000 We've got to do what we can, can't we?

00:53:12.000 Contribute together.

00:53:13.000 Let's have a look at Bobby Kennedy on this and tell me in the chat anything you disagree with.

00:53:17.000 Put it in the chat right now, Blue Nose Bob.

00:53:19.000 Blue Nose Bob, 1978-74.

00:53:21.000 Stephen Coco, Ooga Booga, I'm talking to you.

00:53:24.000 All of you.

00:53:25.000 Let me know what you disagree with in this.

00:53:27.000 The chat might need refreshing over here.

00:53:28.000 The rumble chat, guys.

00:53:29.000 Let me know what you think, Kellyanne Katz, and Claude, and all you guys.

00:53:32.000 We've got Chris Pavlovsky coming up in a minute.

00:53:35.000 Let's have a look at this from Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby Kennedy.

00:53:39.000 You know, Putin every day says, I want to settle the war.

00:53:41.000 Let's negotiate.

00:53:43.000 And Zelensky has said, we're not going to negotiate.

00:53:45.000 But in 92, the wall came down in the Soviet Union.

00:53:49.000 Gorbachev said, I'm going- Slim Feezy says, I have a small subpoenas, but it's still bigger than Russell's hat. 1.00

00:53:54.000 Damn you! 1.00

00:53:54.000 Leave my hat alone! 1.00

00:53:56.000 I'm going to allow you to reunify Germany, but I want your commitment.

00:54:01.000 After that, you will not move NATO one inch to the east, and we solemnly swore we wouldn't do it.

00:54:08.000 Well then, in 97, we're gonna move NATO a thousand miles to the east, and take 15 countries into it, and surround the Soviet Union. 0.81

00:54:17.000 We then overthrow the government.

00:54:20.000 In 2014, they're elected government and put in a Western sympathetic government.

00:54:25.000 Russia then has to go into Crimea because they have a port at Vladivostok.

00:54:31.000 It's their only warm water port and they know.

00:54:34.000 I like that stuff, like warm water port stuff.

00:54:36.000 That's what I like learning.

00:54:37.000 Like when they say that's a strategic and necessary thing.

00:54:37.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:54:41.000 That you can't take Crimea, or access to Crimea, away from Russia. 0.69

00:54:47.000 It's strategically too important.

00:54:49.000 Now look, a lot of you guys... Don't be anti-Semitic!

00:54:52.000 Don't be Islamophobic!

00:54:53.000 Don't be anti-anything!

00:54:55.000 Become pro-love.

00:54:56.000 Reach out in love.

00:54:57.000 It's a frequency.

00:54:59.000 It's beyond the object of the hatred.

00:55:01.000 You know this surely.

00:55:02.000 Come on! 0.61

00:55:03.000 Come on! 0.61

00:55:04.000 We can do it.

00:55:05.000 I like Bobby, but I love Trump, says Deanne Ross.

00:55:09.000 Well then, get ready baby, because here is your chosen one on the same subject.

00:55:15.000 Talking about Zelensky as a salesperson and talking about, obviously, how he would be able to bring about peace.

00:55:22.000 RFK sounds like Audrey Hepburn.

00:55:23.000 That is unkind!

00:55:25.000 Do not criticise people for things that they cannot control.

00:55:30.000 RFK, I happen to know him personally.

00:55:31.000 I've sat with him with people.

00:55:33.000 He's a beautiful person.

00:55:34.000 Right, okay.

00:55:35.000 Let's get into this thing.

00:55:37.000 I think Zelensky is maybe the greatest salesman of any politician that's ever lived.

00:55:43.000 Every time he comes to our country, he walks away with 60 billion dollars.

00:55:50.000 And I like him, you know, on the impeachment hoax number one.

00:55:55.000 He was very good.

00:55:55.000 He said no.

00:55:57.000 The president didn't threaten me at all.

00:55:59.000 He could have been a grandstander and said, I was threatened, right, Matt?

00:56:03.000 He could have said, I was threatened.

00:56:04.000 So I like him.

00:56:05.000 But he's the greatest salesman of all time.

00:56:07.000 He walks in.

00:56:09.000 So now here's the beauty.

00:56:11.000 He just- Plantsheel.

00:56:12.000 Plantsheel.

00:56:13.000 Not Plantsheel.

00:56:14.000 Plantsheel in the rumble chat.

00:56:15.000 Trump didn't change anything.

00:56:18.000 What do you guys think about that?

00:56:20.000 Do you think that in the four years from 2016 to 2020, did your life improve?

00:56:24.000 Did America improve?

00:56:24.000 Did the world improve?

00:56:25.000 Let me know in the chat, because there's a lot of people that think you need a lot more than changing the figurehead at the front of the movement.

00:56:34.000 Scrooge McDuck.

00:56:34.000 Let me know.

00:56:35.000 Yeah, I feel you, baby.

00:56:36.000 Let me know what you guys think.

00:56:38.000 He's the greatest actor.

00:56:39.000 Let me know what you think, because this is a time for a radical change.

00:56:42.000 Oh my gosh, get Donald Trump in here, says the Red. 0.53

00:56:44.000 We're trying, actually.

00:56:45.000 We're pretty close.

00:56:46.000 We are pretty close.

00:56:47.000 We're pretty close.

00:56:48.000 We're pretty close.

00:56:49.000 We've, in fact, We've not locked down a date.

00:56:51.000 I want to speak to him.

00:56:52.000 I want to speak to Biden.

00:56:53.000 I want to speak to all of them.

00:56:56.000 Okay, let's let him round up.

00:56:57.000 Left four days ago with 60 billion and he gets home and he announces that he needs another 60 billion.

00:57:06.000 I said it never ends.

00:57:09.000 It never ends.

00:57:10.000 I will have that settled prior to taking the White House as President-elect.

00:57:17.000 I will have that settled.

00:57:20.000 Gotta stop it.

00:57:22.000 Would it never happen?

00:57:23.000 Remember we started this item talking about the renewed bill that means that every man aged between 18 and 26 could be subject to uh what was it again let me hold on a minute let me find the thing then excuse me let me pull that up again guys Uh yeah like that look let me say again.

00:57:45.000 Mandatory for all male U.S. 1.00

00:57:46.000 citizens to register for selective service known as the military draft when they turn to 18.

00:57:51.000 Failure to register is classified as a felony and comes with a host of legal challenges.

00:57:56.000 Supporters of the amendment argued cut down on bureaucratic red tape and help U.S.

00:57:59.000 citizens to avoid unnecessary legal issues as well as cutting down on the taxpayer dollars going towards prosecuting those cases.

00:58:05.000 It was led by Chrissy Houlihan and passed in the House Armed Services Committee's version

00:58:09.000 of the NDAA in May.

00:58:11.000 The NDAA advanced through the committee by an overwhelming 57 to 1.

00:58:15.000 By using available federal databases, the agency will be able to register all the individuals required

00:58:20.000 and thus help ensure that any future military draft is fair and equitable, said Houlihan during a debate.

00:58:26.000 This will allow us to rededicate resources.

00:58:30.000 Basically, that means money towards reading readiness, towards mobilization, rather than towards education and advertising campaigns.

00:58:36.000 Hmm, sounds a little bit like they're at least considering the potential necessity for more troops, more war, more opportunity for control and profit.

00:58:47.000 And remember, what I believe is this.

00:58:49.000 They often claim that their actions are based on compassion.

00:58:54.000 We have to lock you in your homes.

00:58:55.000 You simply must take this medication.

00:58:57.000 Why?

00:58:58.000 Because life is sacred.

00:58:59.000 Every human life is sacred and we must protect the vulnerable.

00:59:03.000 These are important and beautiful principles.

00:59:06.000 I don't believe they operate from that place.

00:59:08.000 I don't believe they believe that.

00:59:10.000 Do you believe that?

00:59:12.000 I feel that what they do is they say we have to intervene in this geopolitical crisis between Russia and Ukraine in order to protect Ukrainian people when in fact there's another agenda.

00:59:22.000 Agendas of dominion, agendas of resource, agendas of finance, agendas ultimately of control.

00:59:30.000 Control of a domestic population and ultimately perhaps control of a global population.

00:59:35.000 But they can't come out and just tell us that out front can they? 0.97

00:59:37.000 They have to always be saying We're protecting you, or we are working in support of some higher principle that no one but a fool would refute. 0.99

00:59:46.000 How dare you to impugn us? 0.98

00:59:48.000 We're basically Christian soldiers on the march across the world.

00:59:51.000 Well, I simply don't trust them, I don't believe them, there's no reason to trust or believe them, and I feel that There was a peace deal on the table.

01:00:01.000 Putin is saying he will withdraw.

01:00:04.000 Why don't we accept that peace deal and work out the details from there?

01:00:08.000 Work out democracy, if that's so important for the world and for Ukraine.

01:00:12.000 Remember, that's the whole reason we're in this conflict, is in order to support democracy.

01:00:18.000 Even though there are no elections in Ukraine, even though there's only one political party in Ukraine, even though American journalists like Gonzalo Lira are dying in prison in Ukraine, even though BlackRock have already done a deal to rebuild Ukraine, we have to believe that when they say democracy, they mean the right of the citizenry to control their nation, rather than a set of institutions that control the citizenry.

01:00:37.000 Hey! 0.99

01:00:38.000 You remember earlier when we were looking at the Tocqueville?

01:00:41.000 What did he tell you?

01:00:42.000 That there will be great a tyranny under democracy because we won't notice the tyranny because we're so beleaguered and baffled, wandering through malls, tired of it all, consuming sugar, lost and bewildered, shepherded not by a good shepherd but by the Luciferian forces of Consumerism and commodification.

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01:03:33.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.

01:03:34.000 I'm joined by Chris Pawlowski, CEO and founder of Rumble for what I'm going to call an informal yet in-depth conversation.

01:03:43.000 There's a lot of things I want to ask you about, Chris.

01:03:45.000 Thanks for joining us today.

01:03:46.000 Thank you for having me again.

01:03:48.000 Thanks for having me in your building and allowing me to host you in your premises.

01:03:53.000 Chris, there's a lot for us to talk about.

01:03:55.000 I want to start off with a conversation we were having when we were on our way to Don Jr's house for some cigar smoking and controversy generation.

01:04:06.000 Now, I asked you about Alexander the Great, this I asked you about because of your Macedonian roots, your family's from Macedonia, and you talked to me a little about your fascination with history and the crossover of history with religion.

01:04:22.000 Now over the course of this conversation we'll of course talk about Rumble's role in free speech, we'll obviously talk about how you founded Rumble, How you become a tech billionaire, what the obligations are if you are a tech magnate these days and how it's inherently political and an inherently political space.

01:04:39.000 I want to sort of understand a little bit about how you think and is your fascination with Alexander the Great just based on your shared Macedonian nationality or is it because of the more sort of esoteric and unusual qualities of Alexander the Great, sort of a living, well now dead, but at the time living god king?

01:04:56.000 Yeah, no, that's one of the most passionate topics, something that I've taken hours and days and weeks of studying on my own and kind of trying to understand everything with respect to Alexander and religion and both those things and how they intersect and how that time period.

01:05:15.000 It's more the time period that I'm more interested in, from, you know, 1000 BC to you know, 100, 200 AD. I think that time period is like

01:05:25.000 super interesting. So much happened.

01:05:27.000 And it's really, it's really good to kind of understand what happened there.

01:05:32.000 So Alexander has been a huge fascination.

01:05:34.000 It's kind of like the pinnacle.

01:05:35.000 It's the center of, you know, pre-date Christianity time. 0.95

01:05:42.000 Kind of when religion was starting to blossom and start to come into society.

01:05:46.000 So I've had a huge fascination, obviously, because both my parents were born in Macedonia.

01:05:50.000 I was born in Canada.

01:05:52.000 But it's been stories being told from family generation to generation about Alexander.

01:05:58.000 And, uh, it's just been around me for, you know, since I was basically born, uh, hearing about it.

01:06:04.000 So I've had a deep fascination with it.

01:06:07.000 And then once you kind of dive in and you kind of start really digging in and understanding everything, um, with respect to the ancient Macedonian history, you get, uh, well, for me anyways, it just gets so captivated.

01:06:22.000 And then all these things that he did do and his father did, Um, to get where they were is really unique and really interesting.

01:06:32.000 Yeah, because I suppose he became a near-mythic figure and made some extraordinary claims, but claims that are, I suppose, underwritten by the fact that he conquered the known world and was like a living deity.

01:06:47.000 I know that these days a lot of military strategists as well as business strategists look at Alexander the Great's methodologies and policies and Some of them, it seems, remain relevant when it comes to conquering territory and how to organize territory.

01:07:06.000 Do you see, like, when you're running a billion-dollar, multi-billion-dollar organization, do you think strategically, do you think about how Alexander the Great organizes resources and manages a vast, well, in his case, empire, and I suppose, in your sense, a free speech platform?

01:07:26.000 How do you utilize or are you able to utilize your understanding of his strategies?

01:07:31.000 I think that applies to pretty much like every business owner, successful business owner uses the past and uses a strategy from the past to apply to the future.

01:07:43.000 You know, It's... I have this saying, like, stupid people don't learn from mistakes, smart people will learn from mistakes, but the geniuses can learn from others, and they don't make any mistakes whatsoever, and they just learn from others' mistakes without even making them themselves. 0.91

01:08:05.000 And, you know, when it comes to myself and, like, building Rumble and building businesses that I've done in the past, A lot of it is based on what I see from other people and the way they've done things. 0.98

01:08:18.000 Obviously Alexander is like a...

01:08:21.000 massive achievement, you know, conquering the known world at the time. That's

01:08:27.000 something that's never been done by anyone before, so there's nothing

01:08:30.000 even comparable to that. But definitely, like, you know, he was cutting edge with

01:08:35.000 like how to do strategy in terms of logistics, in terms of actual war. His

01:08:41.000 father came up with the phalanx and I think it was a sarissa, the sword, made it 0.80

01:08:47.000 extra long and it was ahead of its time.

01:08:50.000 So even on the technology side, they were ahead of their time and the way they just moved their armies logistically was way ahead of their time.

01:09:01.000 they knew how to manage water and horses and make sure people don't ride the horses

01:09:06.000 so they don't consume as much water on the carry.

01:09:08.000 Like there's a lot of different things that they did and like using these,

01:09:13.000 obviously not using these exact techniques in today's world, but like trying to be cutting edge

01:09:18.000 and trying to come up with solutions that will beat the competition

01:09:22.000 is exactly what you have to do in any business.

01:09:24.000 And then at the same time, being rumbled and getting attacked all the time

01:09:28.000 by other businesses, media, predominantly corporate media,

01:09:35.000 you gotta know how to play that game too.

01:09:37.000 And you need to be strategic.

01:09:40.000 It's in a different way, but essentially it's the same attack in a different method, you know, and you got to know how to handle it.

01:09:48.000 The media space has become first politicized and almost militarized in the sense that it is a very combative space these days.

01:09:59.000 People recognize, I think, at the advent of social media that the possibility for silos and the intensification of rhetoric, that that was going to be somehow inevitable.

01:10:07.000 But I think all of us are surprised as to where it's got.

01:10:10.000 You're involved in, I think, various legal battles with a whole set of institutions I suppose it would be good to start on the common enemy.

01:10:19.000 God, enemy is a harsh word, but, you know, like Google, Alphabet, YouTube, you're in a lawsuit, I figure, around competitive practices and monopolization.

01:10:30.000 Why is antitrust regulation important?

01:10:35.000 And what's it like facing, when you have a platform like Rumble, Is it like, are there algorithms against us?

01:10:41.000 I remember like when you were doing some of the Republican primary debates or whatever, they shut that stuff down.

01:10:48.000 You know, because there are people that say that what YouTube are able to do is, in a sense, curate reality.

01:10:52.000 That you only see certain stories, you only have access to certain ideas.

01:10:55.000 And in a sense, the whole perception of reality can be controlled by something with that much power.

01:11:00.000 And obviously you've got skin in the game because you're a rival and a competitor.

01:11:04.000 Tell me how you are strategizing and organizing that conflict.

01:11:09.000 Yeah, no, it's a constant battle.

01:11:13.000 The antitrust playing field, the monopolization of different sectors in tech, is incredibly... What's the word I'm looking for?

01:11:26.000 It's incredibly unfair, for sure, but it also prevents Good companies from emerging, it prevents a real good market.

01:11:38.000 It really threatens the market in a massive way.

01:11:40.000 And when it comes to like dissemination of information and information flow and having monopolies surrounding information flow, it gets really bad.

01:11:50.000 You were talking about how it's like political, but these become weapons for certain people.

01:11:57.000 They use the flow of information, and they weaponize the flow of information

01:12:00.000 to kind of like control people and create perceptions that are not realities.

01:12:05.000 And it's really scary.

01:12:07.000 So no single entity for the flow of information is a good thing, no matter how you look at it.

01:12:12.000 You need like, you need local media, you need local journalists,

01:12:16.000 you need independent journalists, you need everybody kind of like disseminating information

01:12:20.000 and bringing it out there.

01:12:22.000 You can't have like three or four large entities controlling information flow in corporate media.

01:12:28.000 That's the, then for sure, they're giving you what they wanna give you.

01:12:32.000 For sure.

01:12:33.000 They have no incentive at that point to tell you the truth in most of the matters.

01:12:39.000 Their incentive is to just push their agendas constantly.

01:12:42.000 Now, when it comes to technology, You know, we're moving into a time now where corporate media is kind of threatened by technology in a way.

01:12:51.000 And you have monopolies both in video and the online video sharing market, which is YouTube.

01:12:59.000 You have a monopoly in search, which is, you know, Google.

01:13:05.000 And you know, you got one company that controls both these entities.

01:13:09.000 You know it's it's the there's lots of arguments that they have monopolies and in various other sectors they for sure have it in the advertising industry as well.

01:13:17.000 So as as rumble you know our job is to call this out when we see something that's unfair and when it's a you know.

01:13:29.000 Bad for the market.

01:13:30.000 And when we see a monopoly, and we have, we're suing Alphabet for their monopolization of their with YouTube and their advertising industry.

01:13:42.000 We have two separate lawsuits attacking them from two different ways on items that are extremely important for the market.

01:13:51.000 One, the control of money through advertising and online advertising is a huge incentive of how you provide information flow.

01:13:58.000 And if Google controls the money flow through advertising to all these properties, which are like, let's say, the New York Times is running Google.

01:14:06.000 I don't know if they are, but maybe they're running Google ads.

01:14:09.000 Is the New York Post running Google ads?

01:14:11.000 If all these publishing websites are now using Google, and Google has a policy where it says you can't contest whether or not the election is You know, rigged or not rigged, then of course it's only going to be one narrative across every single publishing site.

01:14:29.000 You're not even going to be able to question it.

01:14:31.000 The ability of questioning, like, this is a something that, you know, I grew up with.

01:14:37.000 I'm sure you grew up with.

01:14:38.000 Like, questioning is a good thing.

01:14:39.000 You should question everything.

01:14:40.000 You shouldn't take everything for face value.

01:14:42.000 You should, you know, always ask the question.

01:14:44.000 You know, there's always possibility of something.

01:14:46.000 And hearing different sides of the story is incredibly important.

01:14:49.000 But when you have an overarching You have to start from a point of skepticism when it comes to authoritarianism or authority, generally.

01:15:06.000 Two of the things that I've noticed and that I have experience of now is that even when we were first coming up on YouTube, we were doing stuff in 2015.

01:15:15.000 By us, I mean me and Gareth over there, we're making like little videos talking about the news and in particular, like around the COVID time, The ascent on that platform was extraordinary.

01:15:23.000 We just was growing and growing and growing and then we saw policies take place where they promoted deliberately and no doubt algorithmically what we would call legacy media news channels and stifled and choked independent news media.

01:15:40.000 If there are relationships like you described that are monetary, that's one thing.

01:15:44.000 Certainly there are ideological Um, correlatives and alliances that are even more playing.

01:15:51.000 They are part of, like, YouTube are part of the legacy media now.

01:15:56.000 They promote legacy media ideas, they have legacy media interest.

01:15:59.000 There was a minute where demonopolization seemed likely, where there was a threat right out of Congress, like, we're gonna break up Facebook, we're gonna break up these guys.

01:16:07.000 But now they have sets of contracts with Meta, they have contracts with Alphabet, they have contracts with Microsoft, and other tech entities that make it likely in, uh, They are, in a sense, has been an exchange.

01:16:19.000 We won't break up your monopolies as long as you grant us back channel access.

01:16:24.000 I think that's really likely.

01:16:25.000 And then when it comes to, we all know that the reason that Big Pharma advertise so consistently and heavily on legacy media and corporate media channels, it's not just because they want us to know about their Viagra pills or their sleeping pills or whatever medications they're pushing, it's in order to operate and exert some control over those So when they have financial relationships, when they have contracts with the government, when they have contracts with vendors, what you start to get is beyond the monopoly, you have ultimately, I suppose, a system, an establishment.

01:16:56.000 And when you're trying to crack your way into that, whether that's as a content creator or as a rival platform, you start to realize, oh my God, this is real power.

01:17:04.000 It's very difficult to maneuver around.

01:17:06.000 Yeah, think about that though.

01:17:07.000 When YouTube started, well, if we go back to when YouTube actually started, they started on the backs of stolen content.

01:17:13.000 So they grew their business off of people stealing content.

01:17:16.000 You saw the Viacom lawsuits, the countless lawsuits they had for copyright infringement.

01:17:21.000 So they had their first like a growth on a means that is very disingenuous and illegal

01:17:27.000 by violating copyright.

01:17:30.000 But their second phase was built on the backs of creators, people like yourself and just, you know,

01:17:38.000 random creators creating content, creating their own shows, creating their own stuff.

01:17:42.000 This is how Joe Rogan kind of became really big on the podcast thing.

01:17:45.000 This is how you've blossomed as well.

01:17:47.000 A lot of creators created their own shows.

01:17:51.000 And then over time, they realized, you know, all these small creators that are now having huge voices

01:17:58.000 are garnering such influence.

01:18:01.000 They start now preferencing the big corporations.

01:18:06.000 The corporations start demanding.

01:18:08.000 Now you start to see CNN coming on, you start to see Fox News come on,

01:18:12.000 and you start to see their video content appearing a lot more than the independent creators.

01:18:17.000 So the independent voices start getting pushed aside.

01:18:19.000 Now that marriage between both those corporate entities happens, they start promoting that.

01:18:24.000 Now they move into YouTube TV and they start accelerating that.

01:18:28.000 And they're walking away.

01:18:29.000 They are essentially like preferencing, in my opinion, all these corporate entities and large entities,

01:18:37.000 brands, et cetera, over the small crater.

01:18:41.000 And that was the difference between YouTube 15 years ago and YouTube today.

01:18:47.000 That transition seemed to happen in the last 10 years, 15 years, and it happened Slowly at first and then it really kind of accelerated in the last five to ten years I would say but like that that was the that's the the marriage between these partnerships and corporations that I think absolutely you know

01:19:11.000 put back, it absolutely hindered the small creator from growing and becoming and taking over.

01:19:16.000 They're doing everything they can to suppress the independent voice in my mind.

01:19:20.000 And it's across all platforms. They loved that user-generated content at first, but then once

01:19:27.000 the brands and once the corporations and once the corporate media started not liking that the content

01:19:33.000 was being delivered by independent people, they put the pressure on and something changed.

01:19:39.000 It's interesting that there appear to be these phases.

01:19:41.000 The first phase, piracy.

01:19:43.000 Piracy!

01:19:44.000 It was piracy.

01:19:45.000 YouTube was built all built most of its growth on piracy. That's how it

01:19:54.000 started. It was the most disingenuous way to grow a video platform. And Rumble has had far more attacks

01:20:00.000 by the corporate media for building it genuinely on just people giving their opinions about

01:20:08.000 politics and COVID. And were the enemy?

01:20:12.000 Think about that. They were creators...

01:20:16.000 You had lawsuits, billion-dollar lawsuits, I think, hundreds of millions of dollars from Viacom, from music entities, all over the place in 2006.

01:20:24.000 And Google came in and acquired them, provided that shield, negotiated with these companies.

01:20:32.000 I forget the outcome of the Viacom lawsuit, but I think Google may have, I don't want to say because I don't remember the outcome, but there was, they had a big piracy problem, a massive piracy problem.

01:20:44.000 That's how they, that's how they grew their users.

01:20:46.000 All these, all this pirated content was then indexed in the Google search engine.

01:20:51.000 Google was then feeding the traffic into this pirated content that they had no business in having.

01:20:55.000 And that's how this platform grew.

01:20:57.000 That was the early stages.

01:20:58.000 This is like, most people know this.

01:21:01.000 Well, maybe most people don't.

01:21:02.000 It's extraordinary, isn't it?

01:21:03.000 Because the corporate acquisition obviously equates to control.

01:21:07.000 And one might imagine, and this is obviously pure conjecture, that when Google acquire YouTube and have to settle those lawsuits, they might have had conversations along the lines of, this is where media lives now.

01:21:18.000 If you want to succeed in these new territories, You're going to require relationships with platforms like this.

01:21:24.000 You're not going to be able to afford adversarial relationships with YouTube because we've been through Napster.

01:21:29.000 We saw what happened to the music industry.

01:21:31.000 The music industry falls in on itself and then they work out how do we tile over This wild terrain where anyone can start creating, where anyone can pipe out, utilize, or use piracy to convey anybody's content.

01:21:45.000 They work out how do we control it.

01:21:47.000 But when you're dealing with the information space as well as the entertainment space, the kind of deals that are made, particularly as you say with that important relationship between the search capacity of Google and the video provision of YouTube, you're into the reality business, I think.

01:22:02.000 You're into controlling people's reality.

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01:23:55.000 Think about the mouse trap that Google has created.

01:23:57.000 And this is kind of where I diverge with Elon.

01:24:00.000 He seems to pay a lot of attention to Apple.

01:24:03.000 I feel that Google is far more evil than Apple.

01:24:07.000 The mouse traps that Google has created, if you're an individual and you're seeking information, You're going to Google to seek that information.

01:24:16.000 You're now typing in what you want to seek, and then Google will then provide you with what they believe.

01:24:23.000 Well, essentially, the bag of goods that they sold us is that when you go to search, you're going to get a really good results that are independent, that are, you know, No bias in the results whatsoever, and it's going to be a free and fair search engine where you're basically going to be able to find anything you want.

01:24:43.000 That's the bag of goods they sold us for the last, you know, several decades when they came out.

01:24:48.000 You could find anything.

01:24:49.000 You can go into bad places, you go into good places, and you can kind of discern what you think is good or bad.

01:24:54.000 Um, what's happened here in the last few years, uh, I would say the last couple years more so, is that now you're going into Google search and they are basically creating an environment that preferences and biases for them.

01:25:08.000 For example, when you went to search for the, when you went to search for the GOP debate, which the live stream, um, it was on rumble and it was exclusive to rumble.

01:25:18.000 They didn't have us at the top.

01:25:19.000 They didn't want you to find it.

01:25:22.000 They did not put us at the top, even though we were the place that had it.

01:25:26.000 It's very easy.

01:25:27.000 They knew we were the place that had it, and they didn't put us at the top.

01:25:32.000 They instead put something else there.

01:25:34.000 I can't remember, but it was definitely some corporate media entity that wasn't playing.

01:25:39.000 A corporate media entity that wasn't the exclusive livestream provider.

01:25:44.000 Yeah, and I think that it was paid for.

01:25:47.000 You had to pay for it on Fox and it was free on Rumble.

01:25:49.000 So they're not only disadvantaging you as a platform, they're disadvantaging the audience as well.

01:25:55.000 Is that not election interference?

01:25:57.000 In some capacity, you're not allowing the constituents of your country to Find the GOP debate for the, you know, one of the two largest parties in the country.

01:26:11.000 You're not making that easily accessible.

01:26:12.000 That's, see, this is the problem.

01:26:15.000 They have this mouse trap where they control the search and then when they then take you to, you know, let's say, You're always going to find a YouTube video when you're searching.

01:26:24.000 It seems like every single time I type something in there, there's a YouTube video that falls in.

01:26:29.000 Then it takes you to their next property, or it takes you to their Google Maps thing, or it takes it there.

01:26:35.000 It's just staying in their funnel all the time, and they're capturing you, following you, what you do, and you're stuck in that funnel.

01:26:44.000 They get to control that.

01:26:45.000 They get to control what you see, what you're reading, what you're watching now, because they have this funnel.

01:26:50.000 And that's one of the reasons why we have a lawsuit against them.

01:26:54.000 It's very difficult for you to go and search something that's relevant and find Rumble near the top.

01:27:00.000 It's very difficult.

01:27:02.000 As soon as you create something that is viable, as soon as you create something that draws people, as soon as you create an audience, a community, then you become a threat.

01:27:13.000 What the real fear for me is, is that when you have entities of an unfathomable, unimaginable, unprecedented size that are able to, I imagine, do deals either tacitly or explicitly with states where they're able to say, We control this many people's eyes.

01:27:30.000 We control the way they search.

01:27:32.000 We control the content they're watching.

01:27:33.000 We can therefore control the outcome of elections.

01:27:36.000 Their values are aligned with the corporate media.

01:27:39.000 So whatever relationship the state has traditionally had with legacy media, it's pretty clear from the Twitter files that the state now enjoys With social media platforms, they have staff embedded, they have agents embedded, they have content that they want shut down, like the Hunter Biden laptop story, which is just recently, you know, Hunter Biden's been convicted of the gun charges.

01:27:59.000 We're talking even like election interference is big enough, but we're talking about reality interference.

01:28:04.000 We're talking about the entire, the ability to control people's entire understanding of international politics, of consumerism, of what products they use, what party to vote for.

01:28:14.000 The advertising is where the initial revenue comes, because you can say, we've got this many data points on these people, we can direct them in all these ways.

01:28:21.000 But in the end, it becomes more than that.

01:28:23.000 It becomes politics and power.

01:28:24.000 It becomes the politics of actual life, doesn't it?

01:28:27.000 It's the control of people's consciousness.

01:28:29.000 No, absolutely.

01:28:30.000 That's exactly what it becomes.

01:28:32.000 They're creating the reality for people now.

01:28:36.000 They're creating perception, which turns into what people believe.

01:28:43.000 And they're not allowing, these entities, a lot of them are not allowing people to seek information that otherwise opposes their opinions and views.

01:28:51.000 And that's like...

01:28:53.000 That's the craziest thing that we're at a point right now where the internet is like being it's like a tug of war right now to try to open it up for some people and trying to close it and control it for other people and where that goes I think is is pivotal.

01:29:10.000 If we want to be in a free society, we need a free flow of information.

01:29:14.000 We cannot give that up.

01:29:17.000 The second we give that up, then all is lost, in my opinion.

01:29:22.000 We have to defend that.

01:29:23.000 That's the core value that we're defending.

01:29:25.000 It's the core value that you're defending.

01:29:28.000 It means everything.

01:29:30.000 It means everything in terms of Any future events that we have and how our families are going to live in the future, it means everything.

01:29:42.000 It's the most important thing.

01:29:43.000 It's the most important fight that we have right now is to keep this internet free and open because otherwise corporate media will control it.

01:29:51.000 Big tech will control it. 0.99

01:29:53.000 And I'm sure more than half the people won't like the way they do it, and that's a problem.

01:29:59.000 In my conversation with Mike Benz, I was very struck with the information that Serge Brin and Larry Page had their PhD funded by a CIA carve-out, in the same way that there are relationships between USAID and various other institutions and organizations, in the same way that we found out recently That there are CIA carve-outs that fund Ukrainian media that have said that me, Greenwald, and a bunch of other people, Schellenberger, are, you know, Putin apologists and Russian assets.

01:30:29.000 You know, they're creating in Ukrainian language various pieces of content that are essentially propagandist and certainly untrue.

01:30:37.000 I'm speaking personally about my relationship with Russia, for sure, and for certain.

01:30:41.000 What fascinates me is how deep the relationships between the state and a private entity like Google may go when you have CIA carve-outs likely providing them with some funding right when they were still at Stanford, and when Google plainly were provided with technology in order to establish Google Maps, presumably in exchange for back-channel information.

01:31:06.000 You're never going to get demonopolization regulation And it's unlikely, I wonder, I wonder how likely it is that you'll get justice when we're seeing now that the judiciary is likely deployed also as a sort of a weaponized entity rather than an arbiter of what's fair.

01:31:22.000 Not to mention the various financial institutions that have to be engaged with in order to be a public company.

01:31:30.000 What can, you know, happen to your share prices, the way that share prices can be tanked, the way that you can be prohibited from entering into certain markets.

01:31:38.000 It seems like ultimately, if you are a renegade outlaw organisation, that rumble at this phase is, to a degree, and I think that's a good thing because free speech at the moment is something that's being maligned, marginalised and legislated against.

01:31:52.000 How often do you find yourself confronted by either a judicial force or a financial force or a regulatory body that likely shares the same interests and has comparable relationships to the kind of relationships we've been describing with Google there?

01:32:07.000 Well, we deal with governments at the various highest levels trying to censor creators on our platform.

01:32:12.000 I'm sure you're aware.

01:32:15.000 And we defend that vigorously and it's a core principle of ours.

01:32:20.000 We deal with states as well.

01:32:21.000 We've fought the Attorney General of the New York State on hate speech laws that they were trying to propose and we got it overturned and then it's now in appeal.

01:32:32.000 They've appealed it now.

01:32:34.000 So we've done it on the state level.

01:32:35.000 We are in a new battle on the financial side, I think.

01:32:41.000 No, not I think, it's fact.

01:32:45.000 The most recent thing is that the London Stock Exchange, I believe, was,

01:32:55.000 I forget the exact company, but I think it's the London Stock Exchange

01:33:00.000 that owns or does the evaluations for companies that go into the Russell 3000 Index.

01:33:09.000 No relation?

01:33:10.000 Yeah, no relation to Russell Brand.

01:33:12.000 I'd let you in!

01:33:14.000 So the Russell 3000 index has a criteria in which they, you know, pick companies to go into the index.

01:33:19.000 And then once you're in the index, it's very helpful to a company because then institutions then have to buy that stock and put them part of their funds, etc.

01:33:30.000 So, you know, we've been trying to get into the, we should be in the Russell 3000 Index based on our, you know, the criteria that they allow companies in.

01:33:40.000 And unfortunately, after trying to speak with them and talk with them and try to correct their mistake, that is a glaring mistake, they will not allow us in the Russell 3000 Index.

01:33:53.000 What their motivation is behind that, I am unsure.

01:33:56.000 But I can tell you that they are wrong, dead wrong.

01:34:00.000 They are claiming that our float is only 13 million shares.

01:34:05.000 That is not true.

01:34:08.000 Dan Bongino himself, just himself, owns 16 million shares.

01:34:14.000 So how is it possible that our float is only 13?

01:34:18.000 Our SPAC owners that are, you know, that when we went public a few years ago,

01:34:24.000 had 30 million shares.

01:34:26.000 So just these two facts alone are run in the face of them saying

01:34:32.000 that we have 13 million shares in our float, which they have a threshold of,

01:34:37.000 you need to have over 5% and we're above that 5%.

01:34:42.000 And they're trying to tell us that no, you're not, you only have 13 million shares, which I think is like less than a percent.

01:34:49.000 So they're wrong, dead wrong.

01:34:52.000 They're misleading investors of the Russell 3000 by saying that's the Russell 3000 because we belong there and they are finding every way in which they can keep us out of it.

01:35:05.000 And that's another fight that we have to do that is unfair and is, in my eyes, in my view, is very malicious.

01:35:17.000 It's so misleading to all their investors.

01:35:20.000 They're claiming that it's the Russell 3000 index and this is the criteria and they're saying you don't belong in there when we fit the criteria.

01:35:29.000 So, and they're coming up with some process way to say that we only have 13 million shares when it shows you right on the form that Dan Bongino has 16 million.

01:35:38.000 So how could you even use the 13 million?

01:35:41.000 Like, you know, it's wrong because Dan Bongino is not a director of our board.

01:35:45.000 He's not part of management.

01:35:48.000 Own 16 million. 1.00

01:35:49.000 So, you know, these are these Stupid fights that we have to deal with all the time. 1.00

01:35:55.000 Unfair fights. 1.00

01:35:56.000 And it never ends.

01:35:57.000 And it happens from government levels, happens on the financial levels, happens in state levels, happens with corporate media.

01:36:05.000 It's every vector, every way.

01:36:07.000 Yeah, it's the weaponization of bureaucracy.

01:36:10.000 You can see how if you want to stifle, strangle and choke an entity that is in any way a threat, whether it's a financial threat or if it's an ideological threat.

01:36:20.000 And in this case, it's probably both a threat to establishment institutions like Google, but also a platform that has made a commitment in countries like Brazil and France and Russia to continue to allow content to be on it in spite of what the state or Globalist interests might demand.

01:36:37.000 I include globalist interests because obviously WHO are able to impose regulation on a platform like YouTube.

01:36:44.000 It shows you, as you say Chris, that from every vector, even if you're not using overt tyranny, using bureaucracy, you can control financial institutions and financial progress.

01:36:56.000 You can control the ability to compete through antitrust and monopolization.

01:37:01.000 It just shows how Challenging and difficult it is and how real this sort of edifice of power is.

01:37:07.000 I'm struck by this, Chris, because I've thought like that maybe 10 years ago, you know, people like entrepreneurs in the tech space were like, it's a tech entrepreneur.

01:37:18.000 It was sort of seen as a kind of Celebrity, you know, like it was like a friendly thing, like, oh, Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk.

01:37:25.000 Now, over time, these figures have become more controversial, loved or loathed, depending where you lie on the spectrum of various social ideals.

01:37:33.000 But now you have sort of like gone straight in at the level where like many of your endeavors are criminalized.

01:37:40.000 I remember when that stuff went down with me, they were saying that if you came into the UK, you might be arrested.

01:37:44.000 It was like, it seems to me that Things are really really hotting up and I wonder if that's impeded your enjoyment of what must have been pretty exciting to like build a company and like to set up Rumble and to see it blow up and get big investment and suddenly you're running something that I'm presuming you start must have started pretty small.

01:38:03.000 So has it taken the shine off of this?

01:38:05.000 Can you tell us a little bit about how you founded Rumble and how you stay optimistic about it and whether or not it's become sort of somewhat tainted by the fact that it's near criminalized and continually attacked?

01:38:17.000 Yeah, no.

01:38:19.000 First off, I never thought I'd be in this type of fight.

01:38:22.000 Never thought that The world would be where it is right now and I certainly didn't believe that I would be at the tip of the spear fighting for this.

01:38:32.000 So yeah, you know, 10 years ago running a tech company was fun and not very political at all and kind of nice that way.

01:38:40.000 And today it seems like every tech company is driving politics or doing something with politics and it's quite disgusting in my view.

01:38:51.000 It should never have been and it should never have gone like this.

01:38:54.000 Uh, but that's not to say I don't love what I do.

01:38:58.000 I actually really love what I do and I have more purpose now than I ever have.

01:39:04.000 And I really, when you're fighting for freedom and you're fighting for people's freedom, I don't know what else could be more rewarding.

01:39:16.000 That's like the most rewarding thing to do.

01:39:18.000 When you tell a government to say it when they come to you, and you know they're coming to you that's violating a human right, they're doing something wrong, and you're able to tell them, you know, get out of here.

01:39:32.000 Like, that's a good feeling.

01:39:34.000 And you feel like you're doing something really good.

01:39:37.000 And, you know, I kind of You know, that gives me a lot of motivation in what I do because like I really enjoy fighting for that freedom and freedom for others and the ability for people to speak freely and authentically and I've always been the kind of the contrarian that never really trusted the news, you know, never really.

01:39:58.000 I didn't really buy everything that I was being told.

01:40:00.000 I was questioning things from, you know, childhood and on.

01:40:06.000 So, you know, now coming to where we are right now, seeing that there is a lot of garbage, you know, half the conspiracies end up being true now.

01:40:14.000 You know, it feels really good to be at the forefront of that and fighting for that.

01:40:18.000 You know, would I pick to be here?

01:40:22.000 You know, That's more of a complicated question.

01:40:26.000 It'd be really nice to run a huge tech company and not be involved in politics, but at the same time, there's not many people to trust out there that are going to do it right.

01:40:36.000 You see a lot of companies that fail.

01:40:39.000 You wonder, why did Why did Jack Dorsey totally fail at, you know, standing up for free speech?

01:40:48.000 Why did that happen?

01:40:49.000 Why did Mark Zuckerberg fail at standing up for free speech?

01:40:52.000 Why did all these guys just roll over?

01:40:55.000 Why did they let the bureaucracy control them and roll over?

01:40:58.000 Why did that happen?

01:40:59.000 And, you know, I can never really understand that because for me, in my perspective, it's pretty easy to stand up for the right thing and stand up for basic human right, which is freedom of expression, free speech.

01:41:11.000 The First Amendment of the U.S.

01:41:13.000 Constitution.

01:41:13.000 This is so easy in my mind.

01:41:15.000 It's not hard.

01:41:16.000 It's a pretty simple thing to do.

01:41:19.000 But no one has been able to do it.

01:41:21.000 And that's concerning.

01:41:24.000 So, yeah.

01:41:25.000 At the end of the day, I'm happy where I am.

01:41:28.000 And I love leading this fight.

01:41:30.000 I love fighting it.

01:41:32.000 And it's for a great cause.

01:41:35.000 But when I started, what is it, you know, on the internet over 25 years ago, 20 years ago, it was just to make websites and have fun doing it and make some money on the side.

01:41:47.000 So it wasn't, you know, to be fighting for this cause, but where it's gone has been pretty phenomenal.

01:41:54.000 And to take you back to answer your other question, like how it started is, uh, I've been in the space for, for 20, 25 years.

01:42:03.000 Um, it was back in 2004, 2005, one of my really good friends, uh, owned, uh, one of the top 50 websites in video.

01:42:14.000 And he sends me a message.

01:42:15.000 I think it was in 2005.

01:42:17.000 It was ICQ at the time or something like that, or MSN messenger.

01:42:20.000 And he's like, Hey, Check these guys out.

01:42:22.000 They're gonna end up dominating. 0.94

01:42:24.000 I'm gonna end up folding because I'm spending half a million dollars a month on hosting and I was like How are you gonna fold and why are they gonna do well and that site was actually YouTube He's like they got unlimited money to host from Sequoia.

01:42:38.000 So they're gonna end up being able to you know grow it. And I'm like, okay, so, you know, comes, you know,

01:42:45.000 fast forward a couple of years, Google acquires YouTube, YouTube ends up, you know,

01:42:49.000 dominating the video space.

01:42:50.000 And then by 2010, I started to notice there was a lot of, a lot of people were starting to get disenfranchised with

01:42:59.000 the, with YouTube.

01:43:01.000 They started preferencing those big corporations, multi-channel networks, influencers.

01:43:07.000 And it created this opportunity where Rumble can kind of enter the market to help the small creator.

01:43:11.000 We were built on the premise of helping the small creator.

01:43:13.000 So we started in 2013 to help that small creator because we felt like they were being deprioritized by the big incumbent platforms.

01:43:22.000 Um, specifically YouTube, and we just wanted to bring the monetization and distribution had nothing to do with politics, you know, free speech was, you know, everyone was at this time was talking about free speech, like Jack Dorsey, the Reddit founders, like everybody free speech was like, so important.

01:43:39.000 Net neutrality was a big thing, you know, if you remember that, like it.

01:43:43.000 All the values that Rumble's fighting for today seemed to be everywhere when I started Rumble, so it wasn't that specific value.

01:43:51.000 It was just about treating creators fairly, because you started to see the preferencing happen, and the selection process.

01:43:57.000 Who were the kind of early content creators, when it was still just when free speech was more of a neutral issue, who were the people that were on Rumble first, before Rumble became more politicized?

01:44:08.000 Just like, you know, I remember it was a police officer in a small town in Ontario that was filming awesome wildlife videos, viral videos of that nature.

01:44:19.000 So we had all, we had, it was all viral videos, home-based content, people like, you know, friends and family, aunts and uncles that would just upload content, you know, Just the regular people that you see on social media.

01:44:34.000 It's just they're contributing content and we're just helping them maximize the value of their content and giving them a fair shake, like treating everybody fairly and equally based on the terms and conditions that we had in 2013.

01:44:45.000 And then what happens is that over the next six years, the goalposts start moving.

01:44:52.000 Rumble didn't change.

01:44:53.000 We didn't move.

01:44:54.000 Our policies didn't move.

01:44:56.000 We just stuck to the current policies that we had.

01:44:59.000 And the other platforms started saying, you can't talk about this, you can't talk about that.

01:45:04.000 And then we just had a rush of new users start coming into our platform.

01:45:09.000 I get a call from, at the time, the ranking member of the US House Intel Committee, Congressman Devin Nunes.

01:45:16.000 Who's now the CEO of Truth Social.

01:45:19.000 He calls me and he just like he's like, hey, if I bring my content to Rumble and I search for my name, am I going to find it?

01:45:25.000 And I'm like, yeah, I'm thinking under I'm under some kind of investigation by the House Intel Committee as a Canadian.

01:45:31.000 And I'm like, of course.

01:45:33.000 So he brings his content on.

01:45:35.000 And then a few months later, Dan Bongino comes on and then everything kind of just explodes from there.

01:45:39.000 And we just, you know, we take off.

01:45:43.000 And it was, you know, It was simply just by being fair and not changing and moving the goalposts like the other platforms did.

01:45:51.000 As you know, COVID came, as you know, the elections happened, and this created all kinds of issues for a lot of different creators.

01:46:01.000 Unjustified issues, like things that shouldn't have happened.

01:46:04.000 And these platforms just They thought they should happen.

01:46:08.000 And just by being fair and just holding our ground the way everyone would have from Reddit to YouTube 15, 20 years ago, we succeeded.

01:46:22.000 But they moved the goalposts.

01:46:25.000 And they moved them so far.

01:46:27.000 Like, it baffles my mind that, you know, most people don't realize how—well, I guess a lot of creators realize how much the goalposts move, but half the country still doesn't realize what happened in the last 10 years.

01:46:40.000 It just, like, happened so fast, and they don't realize that, like, 10 years ago, this was, like, normal.

01:46:45.000 And then, all of a sudden, it's like, you're the worst person in the world if you allow people to speak their mind.

01:46:51.000 And as you can see, most of the time when people speak their mind, they have something good to say, and it's very helpful.

01:46:59.000 But a lot of people don't think that, and the platforms certainly don't.

01:47:01.000 The big ones.

01:47:02.000 It's really weird how everything became politically charged, and it is strange that in such a short period of time, Politics became so toxic that you know you obviously this is the area that you're an expert and pioneering but even socially and culturally it felt like they are some people are conservative and right-wing some people are liberal and left-wing in the same family you sit around at Christmas dinner or Thanksgiving people air their grievances and differences

01:47:30.000 Suddenly, these kind of ordinary political distinctions became sort of tarnished with a great deal of invective and a great deal of loathing that to be right-wing now was suddenly like, oh, you're not allowed to be right-wing.

01:47:42.000 I'm feeling like they sort of snowballed pretty fast, Chris.

01:47:46.000 And you're right that all of them social media platforms, it was normal that that was what it was built upon.

01:47:51.000 Hey, everyone's got a voice now.

01:47:52.000 Everyone can communicate.

01:47:54.000 The marketplace of ideas is a real thing.

01:47:58.000 And I suppose, I don't know if it's a problem of scale or what it was, whether or not Facebook became too powerful, whether or not Google became too powerful, but at some point a new mentality entered into it.

01:48:08.000 Certainly the pandemic was a critical period, wasn't it, where we recognised that true information was being censored, that people that had valid scientific and medical perspectives were being censored and controlled, and yet somehow the perception still remains that the goodies are the people that have been Acting in this authoritarian, sensorial, surveilling way, and the baddies are the people that are going, well, let's just let people work it out and say what they want to say.

01:48:36.000 It's a weird thing.

01:48:38.000 It's like the opposite of what should be true.

01:48:42.000 Didn't you grow up, you know, in the schoolyards and you could say whatever you want.

01:48:47.000 We live in a free country.

01:48:48.000 I remember people screaming that in the schoolyards when I was growing up.

01:48:53.000 And now it's like you can't say whatever you want.

01:48:56.000 Does that mean it's not a free country?

01:49:00.000 I guess it does mean it's not a free country if you can't say whatever you want.

01:49:04.000 Um, but like, that core idea growing up is, you know, is different now, I feel like, and that's not good.

01:49:13.000 We, that core idea is a basic human right.

01:49:15.000 It's a basic human right at the level of the United Nations.

01:49:19.000 It's a basic human right at the level of the US Constitution.

01:49:22.000 These are like, you can't, you can't pretend that this is bad.

01:49:27.000 You can't say that free speech is bad.

01:49:29.000 It's not.

01:49:30.000 It's the only good thing.

01:49:31.000 It's the most important thing that we have in order to make society better.

01:49:37.000 There's nothing else that's going to allow society to progress in the way that free speech does.

01:49:45.000 Free speech is the cornerstone of freedom.

01:49:50.000 And without it, you know, we're in big trouble.

01:49:53.000 So everything we can do to fight for it is what we need to do.

01:49:57.000 When you have very powerful organizations like we've discussed earlier, institutions, gargantuan entities that can control entire realities for global populations, can curate what news feeds you see, can curate and control your perspective, no wonder the removal of free speech becomes integral because then they can control your entire perception and there is no opposition.

01:50:22.000 You can't even stand on the sideline throwing dice.

01:50:24.000 Correct.

01:50:24.000 It preserves their monopolies.

01:50:26.000 The idea of removing free speech and allowing people to authentically speak preserves the monopolies that they have.

01:50:34.000 They are creating a moat that makes it impossible for anybody else to compete in that market.

01:50:39.000 When they say, you know, You need to, by law, you need to moderate your social media platform and you can't have this and that and this and that.

01:50:48.000 You need to invest in massive technology to do that.

01:50:51.000 You need to invest in massive resources to do that.

01:50:54.000 It allows them to create, to preserve their monopolistic power.

01:51:00.000 And that's bad.

01:51:01.000 We don't want any monopolies in our society.

01:51:03.000 We want it to be a free market where people can freely express their opinions and ideas and them, these large corporations, they're incentivized to

01:51:15.000 have rules that don't allow competition to emerge.

01:51:19.000 So you have to look at it in different lenses sometimes to understand what the motivations

01:51:26.000 could be.

01:51:27.000 But in a lot of cases, let's say we're talking social media like Facebook and stuff like

01:51:35.000 It's very difficult to replicate a Facebook if you have to have thousands upon thousands of people moderating content and hire thousands of thousands of people to do that.

01:51:46.000 Or invest in AI technologies that, you know, require enormous amount of hardware costs and compute costs.

01:51:55.000 These are barriers to entry in the market.

01:51:59.000 They're trying to add barriers so that no one can do what they're doing.

01:52:03.000 And this is why we can't allow that to happen.

01:52:06.000 Yeah, what George Carlin says is, when interests converge, conspiracy isn't necessary.

01:52:12.000 So that benefits groups like Facebook, Google, et cetera, because it prevents the barriers that you've just described.

01:52:17.000 And it benefits the state because it allows and facilitates the ability for censorship, for surveillance, and for control.

01:52:23.000 Correct.

01:52:24.000 So there's a complete line.

01:52:25.000 So it's like, in a sense, the COVID period, it generated Possibility is an opportunity to legitimise regulation, to create a cashless society, to justify censorship, to justify new credit score systems.

01:52:39.000 If so many interests were able to coalesce around it, that we could watch in real time how power operates.

01:52:47.000 Hold on a minute, they're trying to shut down free speech.

01:52:48.000 They're saying they're helping us and they're actually controlling it, like it all unfolded.

01:52:52.000 It was amazing, wasn't it?

01:52:52.000 at the expense of everyone else. Yeah, all the time. Always at the expense and all right,

01:52:57.000 always, they're always saying that they're benefiting you, that they care about your safety

01:53:02.000 when always that is at the expense of freedom and it grants them further authority. Now, Chris,

01:53:08.000 before we go over to locals, these are the questions that I'm pretty excited to ask you.

01:53:16.000 There's probably one Rumble creator that people are more familiar with than any other.

01:53:21.000 He is the self-proclaimed most famous man in the world, he said at certain times.

01:53:26.000 This person is probably the most, certainly the most controversial man in the world.

01:53:29.000 I'm not talking about Donald Trump.

01:53:31.000 I'm talking about a man who is facing a series of litigations, a man who's become very controversial on the world stage, but that you believe, Chris, is a genius.

01:53:40.000 Now, to help us understand that, we're going to have to look at a very unique take On a very, very famous Rumble creator.

01:53:48.000 To watch the answer to that question, click the link in the description for one month free.

01:53:54.000 With this special code offer, you get one month free on local.

01:53:58.000 So, what is it about Andrew Tate that you consider makes him a genius?

01:54:05.000 Click the link in the description and join us over there.

01:54:15.000 Maggie switch it, switch off, switch off, switch it Maggie.

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