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00:10:53.000Hello there, you Awakening Wonders, and thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand, where we'll be talking about war, and democracy, and the delicate issue of political endorsement.
00:11:07.000Yes, you're right, I am wearing a tiny hat that appears to have garnered a great deal of fandom, particularly in the Rumble chat.
00:11:38.000It's simply a number, a drift in chaos, a drift in a kind of madness.
00:11:43.000Joe Biden's inviting us to ignore time.
00:11:45.000We'll be looking later at the peace deal that Putin's proposed and what the point is in having a Ukraine peace summit when Putin simultaneously is offering terms of peace and being snubbed and denied.
00:12:04.000You could become an awakened wonder like Sensitive Hearts or Purple Flower.
00:12:08.000If you were one, you'd be able to watch our Alex Jones interview right now.
00:12:11.000My mind was blown, as it continually is, by the shamanic evangelical skills of Alex Jones, who seems to be able to simultaneously convey information Invite forgiveness, because I was looking at, you know, they made a documentary about Alex Jones condemning his allegation that Sandy Hook was a false flag event, and I read an article on it in Legacy Media, and they said sort of like, you know, the distress that Alex Jones caused by alleging that, and of course, you know, excuse me, I'm a parent, but perhaps you don't have to be a parent to imagine the grief you would feel if your child lost their life, and then if someone subsequently said
00:12:50.000That the event had somehow been manufactured.
00:12:53.000But of course that is not the same as the event itself.
00:12:56.000And Alex Jones has always said that he didn't say precisely what he was accused of.
00:13:46.000Let's merchandise them because people want them.
00:13:47.000So we'll be talking about the negotiation for peace.
00:13:50.000We'll be talking about the odd phenomena that none of us are able to discuss.
00:13:52.000We'll be talking about free speech more generally.
00:13:55.000And the point I wanted to make about Alex Jones is when he was being condemned in a legacy media organisation, a British newspaper called The Guardian, they said, like, he shills his products on there.
00:14:03.000If you look at any legacy media website, they're all selling products on there.
00:14:33.000Look, I'm not here to do... I'm not here to do Euro results, okay?
00:14:37.000I'm here to talk about how an individual spiritual revolution, an ability for us to bind together with people from different cultures who have different political Different political beliefs from us is going to give us the power to bring about revolution.
00:14:49.000This is an opportunity for us to recognise that even emergent First Nation movements like, you know, they want Macron out in France.
00:14:56.000They want our government out in this country.
00:14:58.000And believe me, swapping Rishi Sunak for Keir Starmer is about as good as swapping Jimmy Savile for Rolf Harris.
00:15:42.000So, guys, guys, there's 10,000 of you watching on Rumble right now.
00:15:47.000If you're watching us on YouTube and you want to see the show in its entirety, including our conversation with Rumble CEO Chris Pavlovsky, and I've never seen Chris Pavlovsky, Like this.
00:15:56.000I talked to him about his inspirations.
00:15:57.000I talked to him about how he stayed firm.
00:15:59.000And my favourite bit of the interview, you'll see this in a little while, we'll be putting the majority of it up a little bit on YouTube.
00:16:32.000That's open to you in the Rumble chat.
00:16:33.000And if you're only on a month in the Locals chat, We'll give it to you as well, but not if you've already watched it.
00:16:38.000That would be, that would just be corruption.
00:16:39.000That would be the kind of cheating that we're opposed to because what we are all about is authenticity, integrity, transparency, clarity and mutual awakening together.
00:16:48.000My favourite bit of the Chris Pavlovsky conversation is when he said 20 years ago the internet was all about free speech, like Reddit, Instagram, Twitter, they were all about free speech.
00:16:57.000So how did we arrive at a point where the default is surveillance and censorship?
00:17:04.000If you are not subscribing to our YouTube channel yet, subscribe to it and turn on notifications.
00:17:08.000That's the only way you are ever going to know.
00:17:10.000If you are watching this on YouTube and you haven't turned on notifications yet, Turn on notifications now because the algorithm is gonna get you, the algorithm is gonna get you, and it's gonna ensure that you live in a reality that's entirely curated by media forces that want you compliant and subjugated.
00:17:25.000I'll be talking about that in a minute, as well as commenting on Ricky Gervais's brilliant attack on celebrity endorsements of politicians.
00:21:16.000He had to get close to smell his tiny amount of hair.
00:21:19.000Now listen, while my wife loyally sticks up for me and adorns me in a leopard-skin jacket that could be worn by a middle-aged prostitute of either gender, of either, here's Jill Biden making some extraordinary claims about Biden's age.
00:21:36.000This election is most certainly not about age.
00:21:41.000Joe and that other guy... Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they've got something to say but nothing comes out when they move their lips just about the gibberish and got motherfuckers act like it's not about age.
00:23:01.000Now, this is a time where, with elections in my country, with emergency elections in France, with elections across the world, as populism Is on the rise, plainly, whether or not you think it's the right kind of populism, whether you think centralised democracies or institutions that claim to be democratic can succeed anymore.
00:23:19.000We're certainly seeing a quaking and a shaking.
00:24:20.000Many of us were so Charmed and enchanted by Ricky Gervais's Golden Globe performances, that forever now we'll be in Ricky Gervais's thrall.
00:24:31.000Now there may be a bunch of things, well not a bunch of things, one thing in particular that I would say, well I know about that Ricky Gervais, and that thing is of course atheism.
00:25:57.000For a legacy media to be bombarding you with false information continually to curate a reality for you where you are compliant and subjugated.
00:26:05.000There's no reason for us to participate in the illusion of democracy anymore.
00:26:08.000And as Ricky Gervais says, there's no reason for any of us to take celebrity endorsements seriously.
00:26:15.000For the past few years, we've seen a massive pushback.
00:26:17.000Now, I did say, guys, get the original Ricky Gervais video, not the thing I'm posting you.
00:26:23.000So I'm going to give you a few minutes to grab the original Ricky Gervais video and to stick it on the deck for me.
00:26:29.000The original Ricky Gervais video, which he would have posted on X. So you'll have to go on X. You'll have to look up Ricky Gervais' account.
00:27:58.000Okay, so this is Alexis de Tocqueville on equality.
00:28:01.000When citizens are all equal, almost equal, it becomes difficult for them When citizens are all almost equal, it becomes difficult for them to defend their independence against the aggressions of power.
00:28:16.000As none of them is strong enough to fight alone with advantage, the only guarantee of liberty is for everyone to combine forces.
00:28:23.000Modern democracy, de Tocqueville feared, would become adept at new forms of tyranny.
00:28:30.000This is the bit that I really want to focus on.
00:28:34.000In such conditions, we might become so enamoured with the relaxed love of present enjoyments that we lose interest in the future of our descendants and meekly allow ourselves to be led in ignorance by a despotic force, all the more powerful because it does not resemble one.
00:29:33.000And our present enjoyments so distracted by pleasure, so adrift in not joy but distraction and a kind of numbness that we have lost all connection and vision of our duties.
00:29:47.000Meekly allow ourselves to be led in ignorance by a despotic force all the more powerful because it does not resemble one.
00:29:52.000Talk feel worried that despotism in a democracy Would be a much more dangerous version than the oppression under the tyrants of the past.
00:30:00.000Despotism under a democracy could see a multitude of men, uniformly alike, equal, constantly circling for petty pleasures, unaware of fellow citizens, and subject to the will of a powerful state which exerted an immense protective power.
00:30:14.000That is the power that's being asserted upon you.
00:31:12.000The state has indeed replaced the Lord at the centre of our culture while telling us that all of our answers can come from materialism and imperialism and examination.
00:31:22.000No need for faith, no need for unity, no need for redemption or salvation.
00:32:34.000Let me tell you my deep heartfelt belief that unless we awaken, unless we become units of revolution and radicalism ourselves, and the most radical thing we'll be able to do is reach out in love and in faith to one another, to put aside our fears of one another, to find our own journey to divinity inwardly, so strong and so bold that we will not be a feared or controlled by those systems of despotism that want to protect us To within an inch of our lives.
00:34:17.000My favourite bit is the lingering ending where I'm assuming Ricky Gervais is shooting this on his own phone in what sounds like a pretty large bathroom to me.
00:34:28.000Because, of course, what Ricky Gervais has always been good on is remembering who he is and where he's from.
00:34:34.000A lot of the time, when someone gets super famous, you think, where did they come from?
00:34:38.000Ricky Gervais was, I feel like, maybe 40 when the British office became a big hit.
00:34:43.000So he's a person that's never lost his connection with his working class roots.
00:34:46.000And maybe the sense that comes along with that, that the world of celebrity is pretty Bloody stupid and empty and vacuous and it's trying to make you delirious and it's just part of the distractions that we were describing a minute ago when we were analysing the Tocqueville because here on Rumble we talk about philosophy.
00:35:19.000It's good for controlling people, it's good for generating revenue.
00:35:21.000That's why when Putin proposes a peace deal that's pretty much in alignment with what Russian leaders have always said since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Cold War, it's granted as some extraordinary slur.
00:35:35.000And an attack on the sacred Zelensky, that modern Saint Zelensky.
00:35:39.000Oh Zelensky, why don't you light up the golden globes with another plea for another few billions?
00:35:46.000Oh Zelensky, why aren't you presented as a hero for cancelling elections?
00:35:55.000Oh sweet Zelensky, how can I love thee more?
00:35:58.000Now he might be alright, I don't know why I got into that so much.
00:36:01.000He's a comedian that ended up leading a country and lord alone knows that's a path that Many comedians have contemplated from time to time, but imagine the assassination attempts.
00:36:10.000Who wants to put up with that bullshit?
00:36:35.000In fact, let's pause for a moment and reflect and remember that a nation is a construct.
00:36:41.000That's perhaps why there's so much tension across the United States of America right now, because Texas is indeed different from California, which is different from Florida, which is different from Minnesota.
00:36:50.000There are at least 50 potential Americas out there, and I'm starting to get an inkling that the more power centralizes at the level of the state and the nation, the easier it is to do global corporate deals these days with technology companies that will be interested in surveillance and censorship and control.
00:37:09.000And when we talk about Mussolini's terrifying vision that fascism would ultimately become state and corporate power combined, and he knows a thing or two about fascism.
00:37:20.000He was very much the Bill Haley to Hitler's Elvis, if you want to be reductive about military dictators.
00:37:26.000So, when Putin says all we want is Ukraine not to join NATO and for Ukrainian troops to withdraw out of the territories that have currently been conquered by Russian forces, We might consider whether or not that is a better deal than continuing to fund this war.
00:37:43.000Because you know what Julian Assange said about Afghanistan?
00:38:33.000They are certainly better at controlling your government than they are installing doors on aeroplanes if recent events are anything to go by.
00:38:42.000So let's have a look at Putin's peace deal and the reason that it might be rejected.
00:38:47.000Straight after that we're going to Chris Pavlovsky.
00:38:50.000We asked you, in fact can you play this in because it's on asset number 40, we asked you do you think instead of having a Ukraine peace conference should NATO countries just accept Putin's deal?
00:39:05.000And most of you said Yeah, that would be a good way of not having a nuclear war.
00:39:10.000Chatter X in the rumble chat, their goal is to have endless war, not a successful war.
00:39:27.000Lord alone knows that's what I'm working on.
00:39:30.000So, This becomes all the more relevant and interesting because if indeed they do have a 10-year plan and at the G7 they've just agreed 10 years of funding using your money and my money to continue to fund a war that's costing Ukrainian lives and I pray, I pray for the end of the deaths of Ukrainian people, I pray for the end of the destruction of Ukrainian territory, I pray for peace oh lord in Jesus name we pray.
00:39:55.000This is not anti-Ukrainian, this is not pro-Putin, this is pro-you, Me and humanity.
00:40:01.000As your man Donald Trump said controversially, I just want people to stop dying.
00:40:07.000And I remember a time when that didn't be, it didn't used to be a controversial opinion to hold.
00:40:11.000And is it a cause for concern that we are seeing now?
00:40:16.000It's not a sad hat, it's a fantastic hat.
00:40:36.000Let's have a look at the fact that the House of Representatives has passed a measure automatically registering men aged 18 to 26 for selective service.
00:40:45.000And you'll remember, guys, that I asked for the rest of the article to be printed out, so I guess that's here somewhere.
00:40:50.000Okay, so the House of Representatives passed a measure on Friday automatically registering men aged 18 to 26 for selective service.
00:40:58.000It was part of the annual National Defence Authorisation Act which sets out the US government's military and national security priorities for the next fiscal year.
00:41:07.000This year's NDAA authorises $895.2 billion in military spending and a $9 billion increase from 24.
00:41:14.000While it hasn't been invoked in over half a century, it's mandatory for all male US citizens to register for the Selective Service, also known for the military draft when they turn 18.
00:41:22.000Failure to register is classified as a felony and comes with a host of legal charges.
00:41:28.000Do you think that that's just a coincidence, or do you think that's important?
00:41:32.000Now, we're seeing this on Fox News, it's legacy media, it's right-wing.
00:42:08.000All right, let's have a look at the rest of this.
00:42:09.000Well, before we get into the rest of this story and how significant it is that a bill has just been passed that automatically registers fighting-age men to fight in wars, and whenever I hear in right-wing spaces people saying, do you notice that fighting-age males are being criminalized and demoralized and attacked and diminished and diminutized in a thousand ways and decimated and destroyed and annihilated?
00:42:30.000I think this has got to be a conspiracy, but hmm.
00:42:38.000Now, let's have a look at Putin's, uh, let's have a look at how the legacy... We're still fighting in these troops!
00:42:43.000Excuse me, let's have a look at how the legacy media, I'm going to play that again, let's have a look at how the legacy media handled Putin's offer of a ceasefire.
00:42:50.000With the fighting in eastern Ukraine largely remaining a stalemate, Vladimir Putin is trying a new round of diplomacy.
00:42:56.000The Russian president floating a new peace proposal on Friday calling for an immediate halt to the Russian offensive in exchange for the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from areas already controlled by Moscow and an end to Ukraine's NATO membership process.
00:43:11.000Russia is offering an option that will make it possible to In a way you might not want to cede the idea that Vladimir Putin is dictating the terms, but for a moment, and I'm really interested in what you guys think about this,
00:43:24.000Do you believe that Russia, with its history, with its military, with its nuclear capacity, is a kind of, you know, what Donald Trump might call a shithole country, or some adversarial nation that might be dismissed or brushed aside, some Afghanistan, some Iraq or Iran, some Vietnam, some place, some plaything nation on the chessboard of reality?
00:43:44.000Or do you think that Russia are also a player on the global stage and that you have to negotiate differently with them?
00:43:51.000Do you back the project that appears to be behind this, a globalist project, a unipower, one world state where both Russia and China are destabilised militarily because economically and financially American power is waning?
00:44:07.000That what we still think of as the United States of America is essentially a veil for globalist corporate interests, your black rocks, your military-industrial complex, your big pharma, and all of this will disappear down the tunnel of time while you will own nothing and be happy, perhaps on the side of various apocalypses, various apocalypses that lay waste Really end the war in Ukraine.
00:44:32.000of the population and significantly control those that survive. I was about to say the
00:44:36.000rest of us like I know for sure that I'm going to like totally live through Armageddon. But
00:44:54.000And even with fighting intensifying along the Eastern Front, they say they're in a good position to stage a counter-offensive in the summer.
00:45:00.000I've heard all this, good position to stage a counter-offensive in the summer stuff, before.
00:45:10.000They're always telling us there's going to be this counter-offensive, aren't they?
00:45:13.000And that is a war, that's a war lyric as old as time.
00:45:17.000In the First World War it was always, we'll be owned by Christmas, we'll be owned by Christmas, you know?
00:45:22.000And then in the Second World War, oh that Hitler, do you know he's only got one bollock?
00:45:26.000What difference is that going to make if he's developing UFO Nazi spaceships?
00:45:30.000I don't know, he's just going to make it harder to kick him in the bollock.
00:45:34.000...attempt to agree on peace and have no relevance to any negotiations.
00:45:37.000There is no possibility to find compromise.
00:45:40.000The new diplomatic push by Russia comes as NATO defense ministers meet in Brussels.
00:45:45.000The United States stands behind NATO's continued support, and our allies and partners will stand by Ukraine for the long haul.
00:45:51.000Today's announcement... Stand behind Ukraine, stand behind the concept of Ukraine, use Ukraine as a vassal to generate control, to create a bulwark state on the edge of Russia, to generate opportunity for Black Rock, to create opportunity for conscription and control, to maybe usher us towards nuclear war in order to institute more control.
00:46:13.000I pray this is a conspiracy theory but so many of those conspiracy theories have turned out to be conspiracy facts and indeed if this is a conflict between Ukraine and Russia and Ukraine are not yet a member of NATO and if one of Putin's conditions is don't let Ukraine join NATO on the basis of the agreement that was made between Gorbachev and Reagan of not letting US territories or NATO territories impede on former Soviet borders by even one inch since which time that Agreement has been transgressed by I think a thousand miles and many many countries have been invited to join NATO and that amounts to impinging upon former Soviet territory.
00:46:53.000That amounts to acts of aggression towards Russia that preceded his invasion of Ukraine and yet of course we continually hear that Putin is the aggressor and as I have to say every time we bring this stuff up I don't like Vladimir Putin either!
00:47:06.000I don't want that dude in charge of the world but It's odd when you start to imagine that Vladimir Putin's interests might be more closely aligned with yours than Joe Biden's because Vladimir Putin don't want your taxes to fund the military-industrial complex.
00:47:22.000Let me know how you think about it in the chat, guys.
00:47:25.000And indeed, if this is a conflict, between Ukraine and Russia rather than NATO and Russia.
00:47:30.000How come the person that responds to the peace deal, first of all, most publicly and most vocally, is Jens Stoltenberg, who's the head of, not Ukraine, but NATO.
00:47:42.000There's an amazing moment that you should see when India declared its independence from Britain.
00:47:49.000The new Prime Minister, President or Prime Minister Nehru, the first leader of the Free India, gave his speech to the people of India.
00:50:14.000They are all globalists, they are all ultimately controlled by the same forces, supping from the same resources, and by that I mean the teeth of Satan.
00:50:23.000Let's have a look at the New York Times.
00:50:26.000This is Glenn Deeson on X. There they are, the New York Times saying, oh well look there was a there was a peace deal in 2022 but it was scuppered by western leaders.
00:50:42.000Here's fellow rumbler Glenn Greenwald on the subject.
00:50:45.000The evidence that Biden and NATO and especially Boris Johnson That great giant chick, you know like a little fluffy baby hen, impeded the peace deal is now overwhelming and conclusive.
00:51:12.000Let's have a look at what David Sachs is saying.
00:51:15.000In January 2022 there was a last-ditch effort at diplomacy to prevent the Ukraine war between Secretary of State Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister... Excuse me, let me slow down a bit.
00:51:26.000Secretary of State Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.
00:51:29.000At that meeting, Blinken not only declared that NATO's door would remain open to Ukraine, he reversed a previous concession by stating that the US reserved the right to place nuclear weapons on Ukrainian soil.
00:52:52.000And I know that's how you see Donald Trump and that's why you love Donald Trump because you think he's a wrecking ball in these democratic institutions.
00:52:59.000Do you think that it's the likes of Bobby Kennedy and the likes of Donald Trump that are required?
00:53:03.000Where are the heroes going to rise from?
00:56:25.000Let me know in the chat, because there's a lot of people that think you need a lot more than changing the figurehead at the front of the movement.
00:57:23.000Remember we started this item talking about the renewed bill that means that every man aged between 18 and 26 could be subject to uh what was it again let me hold on a minute let me find the thing then excuse me let me pull that up again guys Uh yeah like that look let me say again.
00:58:11.000The NDAA advanced through the committee by an overwhelming 57 to 1.
00:58:15.000By using available federal databases, the agency will be able to register all the individuals required
00:58:20.000and thus help ensure that any future military draft is fair and equitable, said Houlihan during a debate.
00:58:26.000This will allow us to rededicate resources.
00:58:30.000Basically, that means money towards reading readiness, towards mobilization, rather than towards education and advertising campaigns.
00:58:36.000Hmm, sounds a little bit like they're at least considering the potential necessity for more troops, more war, more opportunity for control and profit.
00:59:12.000I feel that what they do is they say we have to intervene in this geopolitical crisis between Russia and Ukraine in order to protect Ukrainian people when in fact there's another agenda.
00:59:22.000Agendas of dominion, agendas of resource, agendas of finance, agendas ultimately of control.
00:59:30.000Control of a domestic population and ultimately perhaps control of a global population.
00:59:35.000But they can't come out and just tell us that out front can they?
00:59:37.000They have to always be saying We're protecting you, or we are working in support of some higher principle that no one but a fool would refute.
00:59:48.000We're basically Christian soldiers on the march across the world.
00:59:51.000Well, I simply don't trust them, I don't believe them, there's no reason to trust or believe them, and I feel that There was a peace deal on the table.
01:00:04.000Why don't we accept that peace deal and work out the details from there?
01:00:08.000Work out democracy, if that's so important for the world and for Ukraine.
01:00:12.000Remember, that's the whole reason we're in this conflict, is in order to support democracy.
01:00:18.000Even though there are no elections in Ukraine, even though there's only one political party in Ukraine, even though American journalists like Gonzalo Lira are dying in prison in Ukraine, even though BlackRock have already done a deal to rebuild Ukraine, we have to believe that when they say democracy, they mean the right of the citizenry to control their nation, rather than a set of institutions that control the citizenry.
01:00:42.000That there will be great a tyranny under democracy because we won't notice the tyranny because we're so beleaguered and baffled, wandering through malls, tired of it all, consuming sugar, lost and bewildered, shepherded not by a good shepherd but by the Luciferian forces of Consumerism and commodification.
01:01:03.000Let me know what you think in the comments in the chat.
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01:03:53.000Chris, there's a lot for us to talk about.
01:03:55.000I want to start off with a conversation we were having when we were on our way to Don Jr's house for some cigar smoking and controversy generation.
01:04:06.000Now, I asked you about Alexander the Great, this I asked you about because of your Macedonian roots, your family's from Macedonia, and you talked to me a little about your fascination with history and the crossover of history with religion.
01:04:22.000Now over the course of this conversation we'll of course talk about Rumble's role in free speech, we'll obviously talk about how you founded Rumble, How you become a tech billionaire, what the obligations are if you are a tech magnate these days and how it's inherently political and an inherently political space.
01:04:39.000I want to sort of understand a little bit about how you think and is your fascination with Alexander the Great just based on your shared Macedonian nationality or is it because of the more sort of esoteric and unusual qualities of Alexander the Great, sort of a living, well now dead, but at the time living god king?
01:04:56.000Yeah, no, that's one of the most passionate topics, something that I've taken hours and days and weeks of studying on my own and kind of trying to understand everything with respect to Alexander and religion and both those things and how they intersect and how that time period.
01:05:15.000It's more the time period that I'm more interested in, from, you know, 1000 BC to you know, 100, 200 AD. I think that time period is like
01:05:52.000But it's been stories being told from family generation to generation about Alexander.
01:05:58.000And, uh, it's just been around me for, you know, since I was basically born, uh, hearing about it.
01:06:04.000So I've had a deep fascination with it.
01:06:07.000And then once you kind of dive in and you kind of start really digging in and understanding everything, um, with respect to the ancient Macedonian history, you get, uh, well, for me anyways, it just gets so captivated.
01:06:22.000And then all these things that he did do and his father did, Um, to get where they were is really unique and really interesting.
01:06:32.000Yeah, because I suppose he became a near-mythic figure and made some extraordinary claims, but claims that are, I suppose, underwritten by the fact that he conquered the known world and was like a living deity.
01:06:47.000I know that these days a lot of military strategists as well as business strategists look at Alexander the Great's methodologies and policies and Some of them, it seems, remain relevant when it comes to conquering territory and how to organize territory.
01:07:06.000Do you see, like, when you're running a billion-dollar, multi-billion-dollar organization, do you think strategically, do you think about how Alexander the Great organizes resources and manages a vast, well, in his case, empire, and I suppose, in your sense, a free speech platform?
01:07:26.000How do you utilize or are you able to utilize your understanding of his strategies?
01:07:31.000I think that applies to pretty much like every business owner, successful business owner uses the past and uses a strategy from the past to apply to the future.
01:07:43.000You know, It's... I have this saying, like, stupid people don't learn from mistakes, smart people will learn from mistakes, but the geniuses can learn from others, and they don't make any mistakes whatsoever, and they just learn from others' mistakes without even making them themselves.
01:08:05.000And, you know, when it comes to myself and, like, building Rumble and building businesses that I've done in the past, A lot of it is based on what I see from other people and the way they've done things.
01:08:21.000massive achievement, you know, conquering the known world at the time. That's
01:08:27.000something that's never been done by anyone before, so there's nothing
01:08:30.000even comparable to that. But definitely, like, you know, he was cutting edge with
01:08:35.000like how to do strategy in terms of logistics, in terms of actual war. His
01:08:41.000father came up with the phalanx and I think it was a sarissa, the sword, made it
01:08:47.000extra long and it was ahead of its time.
01:08:50.000So even on the technology side, they were ahead of their time and the way they just moved their armies logistically was way ahead of their time.
01:09:01.000they knew how to manage water and horses and make sure people don't ride the horses
01:09:06.000so they don't consume as much water on the carry.
01:09:08.000Like there's a lot of different things that they did and like using these,
01:09:13.000obviously not using these exact techniques in today's world, but like trying to be cutting edge
01:09:18.000and trying to come up with solutions that will beat the competition
01:09:22.000is exactly what you have to do in any business.
01:09:24.000And then at the same time, being rumbled and getting attacked all the time
01:09:28.000by other businesses, media, predominantly corporate media,
01:09:35.000you gotta know how to play that game too.
01:09:40.000It's in a different way, but essentially it's the same attack in a different method, you know, and you got to know how to handle it.
01:09:48.000The media space has become first politicized and almost militarized in the sense that it is a very combative space these days.
01:09:59.000People recognize, I think, at the advent of social media that the possibility for silos and the intensification of rhetoric, that that was going to be somehow inevitable.
01:10:07.000But I think all of us are surprised as to where it's got.
01:10:10.000You're involved in, I think, various legal battles with a whole set of institutions I suppose it would be good to start on the common enemy.
01:10:19.000God, enemy is a harsh word, but, you know, like Google, Alphabet, YouTube, you're in a lawsuit, I figure, around competitive practices and monopolization.
01:10:30.000Why is antitrust regulation important?
01:10:35.000And what's it like facing, when you have a platform like Rumble, Is it like, are there algorithms against us?
01:10:41.000I remember like when you were doing some of the Republican primary debates or whatever, they shut that stuff down.
01:10:48.000You know, because there are people that say that what YouTube are able to do is, in a sense, curate reality.
01:10:52.000That you only see certain stories, you only have access to certain ideas.
01:10:55.000And in a sense, the whole perception of reality can be controlled by something with that much power.
01:11:00.000And obviously you've got skin in the game because you're a rival and a competitor.
01:11:04.000Tell me how you are strategizing and organizing that conflict.
01:11:13.000The antitrust playing field, the monopolization of different sectors in tech, is incredibly... What's the word I'm looking for?
01:11:26.000It's incredibly unfair, for sure, but it also prevents Good companies from emerging, it prevents a real good market.
01:11:38.000It really threatens the market in a massive way.
01:11:40.000And when it comes to like dissemination of information and information flow and having monopolies surrounding information flow, it gets really bad.
01:11:50.000You were talking about how it's like political, but these become weapons for certain people.
01:11:57.000They use the flow of information, and they weaponize the flow of information
01:12:00.000to kind of like control people and create perceptions that are not realities.
01:12:33.000They have no incentive at that point to tell you the truth in most of the matters.
01:12:39.000Their incentive is to just push their agendas constantly.
01:12:42.000Now, when it comes to technology, You know, we're moving into a time now where corporate media is kind of threatened by technology in a way.
01:12:51.000And you have monopolies both in video and the online video sharing market, which is YouTube.
01:12:59.000You have a monopoly in search, which is, you know, Google.
01:13:05.000And you know, you got one company that controls both these entities.
01:13:09.000You know it's it's the there's lots of arguments that they have monopolies and in various other sectors they for sure have it in the advertising industry as well.
01:13:17.000So as as rumble you know our job is to call this out when we see something that's unfair and when it's a you know.
01:13:30.000And when we see a monopoly, and we have, we're suing Alphabet for their monopolization of their with YouTube and their advertising industry.
01:13:42.000We have two separate lawsuits attacking them from two different ways on items that are extremely important for the market.
01:13:51.000One, the control of money through advertising and online advertising is a huge incentive of how you provide information flow.
01:13:58.000And if Google controls the money flow through advertising to all these properties, which are like, let's say, the New York Times is running Google.
01:14:06.000I don't know if they are, but maybe they're running Google ads.
01:14:09.000Is the New York Post running Google ads?
01:14:11.000If all these publishing websites are now using Google, and Google has a policy where it says you can't contest whether or not the election is You know, rigged or not rigged, then of course it's only going to be one narrative across every single publishing site.
01:14:29.000You're not even going to be able to question it.
01:14:31.000The ability of questioning, like, this is a something that, you know, I grew up with.
01:14:40.000You shouldn't take everything for face value.
01:14:42.000You should, you know, always ask the question.
01:14:44.000You know, there's always possibility of something.
01:14:46.000And hearing different sides of the story is incredibly important.
01:14:49.000But when you have an overarching You have to start from a point of skepticism when it comes to authoritarianism or authority, generally.
01:15:06.000Two of the things that I've noticed and that I have experience of now is that even when we were first coming up on YouTube, we were doing stuff in 2015.
01:15:15.000By us, I mean me and Gareth over there, we're making like little videos talking about the news and in particular, like around the COVID time, The ascent on that platform was extraordinary.
01:15:23.000We just was growing and growing and growing and then we saw policies take place where they promoted deliberately and no doubt algorithmically what we would call legacy media news channels and stifled and choked independent news media.
01:15:40.000If there are relationships like you described that are monetary, that's one thing.
01:15:44.000Certainly there are ideological Um, correlatives and alliances that are even more playing.
01:15:51.000They are part of, like, YouTube are part of the legacy media now.
01:15:56.000They promote legacy media ideas, they have legacy media interest.
01:15:59.000There was a minute where demonopolization seemed likely, where there was a threat right out of Congress, like, we're gonna break up Facebook, we're gonna break up these guys.
01:16:07.000But now they have sets of contracts with Meta, they have contracts with Alphabet, they have contracts with Microsoft, and other tech entities that make it likely in, uh, They are, in a sense, has been an exchange.
01:16:19.000We won't break up your monopolies as long as you grant us back channel access.
01:16:25.000And then when it comes to, we all know that the reason that Big Pharma advertise so consistently and heavily on legacy media and corporate media channels, it's not just because they want us to know about their Viagra pills or their sleeping pills or whatever medications they're pushing, it's in order to operate and exert some control over those So when they have financial relationships, when they have contracts with the government, when they have contracts with vendors, what you start to get is beyond the monopoly, you have ultimately, I suppose, a system, an establishment.
01:16:56.000And when you're trying to crack your way into that, whether that's as a content creator or as a rival platform, you start to realize, oh my God, this is real power.
01:17:04.000It's very difficult to maneuver around.
01:18:29.000They are essentially like preferencing, in my opinion, all these corporate entities and large entities,
01:18:37.000brands, et cetera, over the small crater.
01:18:41.000And that was the difference between YouTube 15 years ago and YouTube today.
01:18:47.000That transition seemed to happen in the last 10 years, 15 years, and it happened Slowly at first and then it really kind of accelerated in the last five to ten years I would say but like that that was the that's the the marriage between these partnerships and corporations that I think absolutely you know
01:19:11.000put back, it absolutely hindered the small creator from growing and becoming and taking over.
01:19:16.000They're doing everything they can to suppress the independent voice in my mind.
01:19:20.000And it's across all platforms. They loved that user-generated content at first, but then once
01:19:27.000the brands and once the corporations and once the corporate media started not liking that the content
01:19:33.000was being delivered by independent people, they put the pressure on and something changed.
01:19:39.000It's interesting that there appear to be these phases.
01:19:45.000YouTube was built all built most of its growth on piracy. That's how it
01:19:54.000started. It was the most disingenuous way to grow a video platform. And Rumble has had far more attacks
01:20:00.000by the corporate media for building it genuinely on just people giving their opinions about
01:20:08.000politics and COVID. And were the enemy?
01:20:12.000Think about that. They were creators...
01:20:16.000You had lawsuits, billion-dollar lawsuits, I think, hundreds of millions of dollars from Viacom, from music entities, all over the place in 2006.
01:20:24.000And Google came in and acquired them, provided that shield, negotiated with these companies.
01:20:32.000I forget the outcome of the Viacom lawsuit, but I think Google may have, I don't want to say because I don't remember the outcome, but there was, they had a big piracy problem, a massive piracy problem.
01:20:44.000That's how they, that's how they grew their users.
01:20:46.000All these, all this pirated content was then indexed in the Google search engine.
01:20:51.000Google was then feeding the traffic into this pirated content that they had no business in having.
01:21:03.000Because the corporate acquisition obviously equates to control.
01:21:07.000And one might imagine, and this is obviously pure conjecture, that when Google acquire YouTube and have to settle those lawsuits, they might have had conversations along the lines of, this is where media lives now.
01:21:18.000If you want to succeed in these new territories, You're going to require relationships with platforms like this.
01:21:24.000You're not going to be able to afford adversarial relationships with YouTube because we've been through Napster.
01:21:29.000We saw what happened to the music industry.
01:21:31.000The music industry falls in on itself and then they work out how do we tile over This wild terrain where anyone can start creating, where anyone can pipe out, utilize, or use piracy to convey anybody's content.
01:21:47.000But when you're dealing with the information space as well as the entertainment space, the kind of deals that are made, particularly as you say with that important relationship between the search capacity of Google and the video provision of YouTube, you're into the reality business, I think.
01:22:02.000You're into controlling people's reality.
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01:23:55.000Think about the mouse trap that Google has created.
01:23:57.000And this is kind of where I diverge with Elon.
01:24:00.000He seems to pay a lot of attention to Apple.
01:24:03.000I feel that Google is far more evil than Apple.
01:24:07.000The mouse traps that Google has created, if you're an individual and you're seeking information, You're going to Google to seek that information.
01:24:16.000You're now typing in what you want to seek, and then Google will then provide you with what they believe.
01:24:23.000Well, essentially, the bag of goods that they sold us is that when you go to search, you're going to get a really good results that are independent, that are, you know, No bias in the results whatsoever, and it's going to be a free and fair search engine where you're basically going to be able to find anything you want.
01:24:43.000That's the bag of goods they sold us for the last, you know, several decades when they came out.
01:24:49.000You can go into bad places, you go into good places, and you can kind of discern what you think is good or bad.
01:24:54.000Um, what's happened here in the last few years, uh, I would say the last couple years more so, is that now you're going into Google search and they are basically creating an environment that preferences and biases for them.
01:25:08.000For example, when you went to search for the, when you went to search for the GOP debate, which the live stream, um, it was on rumble and it was exclusive to rumble.
01:25:57.000In some capacity, you're not allowing the constituents of your country to Find the GOP debate for the, you know, one of the two largest parties in the country.
01:26:11.000You're not making that easily accessible.
01:26:15.000They have this mouse trap where they control the search and then when they then take you to, you know, let's say, You're always going to find a YouTube video when you're searching.
01:26:24.000It seems like every single time I type something in there, there's a YouTube video that falls in.
01:26:29.000Then it takes you to their next property, or it takes you to their Google Maps thing, or it takes it there.
01:26:35.000It's just staying in their funnel all the time, and they're capturing you, following you, what you do, and you're stuck in that funnel.
01:27:02.000As soon as you create something that is viable, as soon as you create something that draws people, as soon as you create an audience, a community, then you become a threat.
01:27:13.000What the real fear for me is, is that when you have entities of an unfathomable, unimaginable, unprecedented size that are able to, I imagine, do deals either tacitly or explicitly with states where they're able to say, We control this many people's eyes.
01:27:32.000We control the content they're watching.
01:27:33.000We can therefore control the outcome of elections.
01:27:36.000Their values are aligned with the corporate media.
01:27:39.000So whatever relationship the state has traditionally had with legacy media, it's pretty clear from the Twitter files that the state now enjoys With social media platforms, they have staff embedded, they have agents embedded, they have content that they want shut down, like the Hunter Biden laptop story, which is just recently, you know, Hunter Biden's been convicted of the gun charges.
01:27:59.000We're talking even like election interference is big enough, but we're talking about reality interference.
01:28:04.000We're talking about the entire, the ability to control people's entire understanding of international politics, of consumerism, of what products they use, what party to vote for.
01:28:14.000The advertising is where the initial revenue comes, because you can say, we've got this many data points on these people, we can direct them in all these ways.
01:28:21.000But in the end, it becomes more than that.
01:28:32.000They're creating the reality for people now.
01:28:36.000They're creating perception, which turns into what people believe.
01:28:43.000And they're not allowing, these entities, a lot of them are not allowing people to seek information that otherwise opposes their opinions and views.
01:28:53.000That's the craziest thing that we're at a point right now where the internet is like being it's like a tug of war right now to try to open it up for some people and trying to close it and control it for other people and where that goes I think is is pivotal.
01:29:10.000If we want to be in a free society, we need a free flow of information.
01:29:43.000It's the most important fight that we have right now is to keep this internet free and open because otherwise corporate media will control it.
01:29:53.000And I'm sure more than half the people won't like the way they do it, and that's a problem.
01:29:59.000In my conversation with Mike Benz, I was very struck with the information that Serge Brin and Larry Page had their PhD funded by a CIA carve-out, in the same way that there are relationships between USAID and various other institutions and organizations, in the same way that we found out recently That there are CIA carve-outs that fund Ukrainian media that have said that me, Greenwald, and a bunch of other people, Schellenberger, are, you know, Putin apologists and Russian assets.
01:30:29.000You know, they're creating in Ukrainian language various pieces of content that are essentially propagandist and certainly untrue.
01:30:37.000I'm speaking personally about my relationship with Russia, for sure, and for certain.
01:30:41.000What fascinates me is how deep the relationships between the state and a private entity like Google may go when you have CIA carve-outs likely providing them with some funding right when they were still at Stanford, and when Google plainly were provided with technology in order to establish Google Maps, presumably in exchange for back-channel information.
01:31:06.000You're never going to get demonopolization regulation And it's unlikely, I wonder, I wonder how likely it is that you'll get justice when we're seeing now that the judiciary is likely deployed also as a sort of a weaponized entity rather than an arbiter of what's fair.
01:31:22.000Not to mention the various financial institutions that have to be engaged with in order to be a public company.
01:31:30.000What can, you know, happen to your share prices, the way that share prices can be tanked, the way that you can be prohibited from entering into certain markets.
01:31:38.000It seems like ultimately, if you are a renegade outlaw organisation, that rumble at this phase is, to a degree, and I think that's a good thing because free speech at the moment is something that's being maligned, marginalised and legislated against.
01:31:52.000How often do you find yourself confronted by either a judicial force or a financial force or a regulatory body that likely shares the same interests and has comparable relationships to the kind of relationships we've been describing with Google there?
01:32:07.000Well, we deal with governments at the various highest levels trying to censor creators on our platform.
01:32:21.000We've fought the Attorney General of the New York State on hate speech laws that they were trying to propose and we got it overturned and then it's now in appeal.
01:33:14.000So the Russell 3000 index has a criteria in which they, you know, pick companies to go into the index.
01:33:19.000And then once you're in the index, it's very helpful to a company because then institutions then have to buy that stock and put them part of their funds, etc.
01:33:30.000So, you know, we've been trying to get into the, we should be in the Russell 3000 Index based on our, you know, the criteria that they allow companies in.
01:33:40.000And unfortunately, after trying to speak with them and talk with them and try to correct their mistake, that is a glaring mistake, they will not allow us in the Russell 3000 Index.
01:33:53.000What their motivation is behind that, I am unsure.
01:33:56.000But I can tell you that they are wrong, dead wrong.
01:34:00.000They are claiming that our float is only 13 million shares.
01:34:52.000They're misleading investors of the Russell 3000 by saying that's the Russell 3000 because we belong there and they are finding every way in which they can keep us out of it.
01:35:05.000And that's another fight that we have to do that is unfair and is, in my eyes, in my view, is very malicious.
01:35:17.000It's so misleading to all their investors.
01:35:20.000They're claiming that it's the Russell 3000 index and this is the criteria and they're saying you don't belong in there when we fit the criteria.
01:35:29.000So, and they're coming up with some process way to say that we only have 13 million shares when it shows you right on the form that Dan Bongino has 16 million.
01:35:38.000So how could you even use the 13 million?
01:35:41.000Like, you know, it's wrong because Dan Bongino is not a director of our board.
01:36:07.000Yeah, it's the weaponization of bureaucracy.
01:36:10.000You can see how if you want to stifle, strangle and choke an entity that is in any way a threat, whether it's a financial threat or if it's an ideological threat.
01:36:20.000And in this case, it's probably both a threat to establishment institutions like Google, but also a platform that has made a commitment in countries like Brazil and France and Russia to continue to allow content to be on it in spite of what the state or Globalist interests might demand.
01:36:37.000I include globalist interests because obviously WHO are able to impose regulation on a platform like YouTube.
01:36:44.000It shows you, as you say Chris, that from every vector, even if you're not using overt tyranny, using bureaucracy, you can control financial institutions and financial progress.
01:36:56.000You can control the ability to compete through antitrust and monopolization.
01:37:01.000It just shows how Challenging and difficult it is and how real this sort of edifice of power is.
01:37:07.000I'm struck by this, Chris, because I've thought like that maybe 10 years ago, you know, people like entrepreneurs in the tech space were like, it's a tech entrepreneur.
01:37:18.000It was sort of seen as a kind of Celebrity, you know, like it was like a friendly thing, like, oh, Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk.
01:37:25.000Now, over time, these figures have become more controversial, loved or loathed, depending where you lie on the spectrum of various social ideals.
01:37:33.000But now you have sort of like gone straight in at the level where like many of your endeavors are criminalized.
01:37:40.000I remember when that stuff went down with me, they were saying that if you came into the UK, you might be arrested.
01:37:44.000It was like, it seems to me that Things are really really hotting up and I wonder if that's impeded your enjoyment of what must have been pretty exciting to like build a company and like to set up Rumble and to see it blow up and get big investment and suddenly you're running something that I'm presuming you start must have started pretty small.
01:38:03.000So has it taken the shine off of this?
01:38:05.000Can you tell us a little bit about how you founded Rumble and how you stay optimistic about it and whether or not it's become sort of somewhat tainted by the fact that it's near criminalized and continually attacked?
01:38:19.000First off, I never thought I'd be in this type of fight.
01:38:22.000Never thought that The world would be where it is right now and I certainly didn't believe that I would be at the tip of the spear fighting for this.
01:38:32.000So yeah, you know, 10 years ago running a tech company was fun and not very political at all and kind of nice that way.
01:38:40.000And today it seems like every tech company is driving politics or doing something with politics and it's quite disgusting in my view.
01:38:51.000It should never have been and it should never have gone like this.
01:38:54.000Uh, but that's not to say I don't love what I do.
01:38:58.000I actually really love what I do and I have more purpose now than I ever have.
01:39:04.000And I really, when you're fighting for freedom and you're fighting for people's freedom, I don't know what else could be more rewarding.
01:39:16.000That's like the most rewarding thing to do.
01:39:18.000When you tell a government to say it when they come to you, and you know they're coming to you that's violating a human right, they're doing something wrong, and you're able to tell them, you know, get out of here.
01:39:34.000And you feel like you're doing something really good.
01:39:37.000And, you know, I kind of You know, that gives me a lot of motivation in what I do because like I really enjoy fighting for that freedom and freedom for others and the ability for people to speak freely and authentically and I've always been the kind of the contrarian that never really trusted the news, you know, never really.
01:39:58.000I didn't really buy everything that I was being told.
01:40:00.000I was questioning things from, you know, childhood and on.
01:40:06.000So, you know, now coming to where we are right now, seeing that there is a lot of garbage, you know, half the conspiracies end up being true now.
01:40:14.000You know, it feels really good to be at the forefront of that and fighting for that.
01:40:22.000You know, That's more of a complicated question.
01:40:26.000It'd be really nice to run a huge tech company and not be involved in politics, but at the same time, there's not many people to trust out there that are going to do it right.
01:40:59.000And, you know, I can never really understand that because for me, in my perspective, it's pretty easy to stand up for the right thing and stand up for basic human right, which is freedom of expression, free speech.
01:41:35.000But when I started, what is it, you know, on the internet over 25 years ago, 20 years ago, it was just to make websites and have fun doing it and make some money on the side.
01:41:47.000So it wasn't, you know, to be fighting for this cause, but where it's gone has been pretty phenomenal.
01:41:54.000And to take you back to answer your other question, like how it started is, uh, I've been in the space for, for 20, 25 years.
01:42:03.000Um, it was back in 2004, 2005, one of my really good friends, uh, owned, uh, one of the top 50 websites in video.
01:42:24.000I'm gonna end up folding because I'm spending half a million dollars a month on hosting and I was like How are you gonna fold and why are they gonna do well and that site was actually YouTube He's like they got unlimited money to host from Sequoia.
01:42:38.000So they're gonna end up being able to you know grow it. And I'm like, okay, so, you know, comes, you know,
01:42:45.000fast forward a couple of years, Google acquires YouTube, YouTube ends up, you know,
01:43:01.000They started preferencing those big corporations, multi-channel networks, influencers.
01:43:07.000And it created this opportunity where Rumble can kind of enter the market to help the small creator.
01:43:11.000We were built on the premise of helping the small creator.
01:43:13.000So we started in 2013 to help that small creator because we felt like they were being deprioritized by the big incumbent platforms.
01:43:22.000Um, specifically YouTube, and we just wanted to bring the monetization and distribution had nothing to do with politics, you know, free speech was, you know, everyone was at this time was talking about free speech, like Jack Dorsey, the Reddit founders, like everybody free speech was like, so important.
01:43:39.000Net neutrality was a big thing, you know, if you remember that, like it.
01:43:43.000All the values that Rumble's fighting for today seemed to be everywhere when I started Rumble, so it wasn't that specific value.
01:43:51.000It was just about treating creators fairly, because you started to see the preferencing happen, and the selection process.
01:43:57.000Who were the kind of early content creators, when it was still just when free speech was more of a neutral issue, who were the people that were on Rumble first, before Rumble became more politicized?
01:44:08.000Just like, you know, I remember it was a police officer in a small town in Ontario that was filming awesome wildlife videos, viral videos of that nature.
01:44:19.000So we had all, we had, it was all viral videos, home-based content, people like, you know, friends and family, aunts and uncles that would just upload content, you know, Just the regular people that you see on social media.
01:44:34.000It's just they're contributing content and we're just helping them maximize the value of their content and giving them a fair shake, like treating everybody fairly and equally based on the terms and conditions that we had in 2013.
01:44:45.000And then what happens is that over the next six years, the goalposts start moving.
01:46:27.000Like, it baffles my mind that, you know, most people don't realize how—well, I guess a lot of creators realize how much the goalposts move, but half the country still doesn't realize what happened in the last 10 years.
01:46:40.000It just, like, happened so fast, and they don't realize that, like, 10 years ago, this was, like, normal.
01:46:45.000And then, all of a sudden, it's like, you're the worst person in the world if you allow people to speak their mind.
01:46:51.000And as you can see, most of the time when people speak their mind, they have something good to say, and it's very helpful.
01:46:59.000But a lot of people don't think that, and the platforms certainly don't.
01:47:02.000It's really weird how everything became politically charged, and it is strange that in such a short period of time, Politics became so toxic that you know you obviously this is the area that you're an expert and pioneering but even socially and culturally it felt like they are some people are conservative and right-wing some people are liberal and left-wing in the same family you sit around at Christmas dinner or Thanksgiving people air their grievances and differences
01:47:30.000Suddenly, these kind of ordinary political distinctions became sort of tarnished with a great deal of invective and a great deal of loathing that to be right-wing now was suddenly like, oh, you're not allowed to be right-wing.
01:47:42.000I'm feeling like they sort of snowballed pretty fast, Chris.
01:47:46.000And you're right that all of them social media platforms, it was normal that that was what it was built upon.
01:47:54.000The marketplace of ideas is a real thing.
01:47:58.000And I suppose, I don't know if it's a problem of scale or what it was, whether or not Facebook became too powerful, whether or not Google became too powerful, but at some point a new mentality entered into it.
01:48:08.000Certainly the pandemic was a critical period, wasn't it, where we recognised that true information was being censored, that people that had valid scientific and medical perspectives were being censored and controlled, and yet somehow the perception still remains that the goodies are the people that have been Acting in this authoritarian, sensorial, surveilling way, and the baddies are the people that are going, well, let's just let people work it out and say what they want to say.
01:49:31.000It's the most important thing that we have in order to make society better.
01:49:37.000There's nothing else that's going to allow society to progress in the way that free speech does.
01:49:45.000Free speech is the cornerstone of freedom.
01:49:50.000And without it, you know, we're in big trouble.
01:49:53.000So everything we can do to fight for it is what we need to do.
01:49:57.000When you have very powerful organizations like we've discussed earlier, institutions, gargantuan entities that can control entire realities for global populations, can curate what news feeds you see, can curate and control your perspective, no wonder the removal of free speech becomes integral because then they can control your entire perception and there is no opposition.
01:50:22.000You can't even stand on the sideline throwing dice.
01:50:26.000The idea of removing free speech and allowing people to authentically speak preserves the monopolies that they have.
01:50:34.000They are creating a moat that makes it impossible for anybody else to compete in that market.
01:50:39.000When they say, you know, You need to, by law, you need to moderate your social media platform and you can't have this and that and this and that.
01:50:48.000You need to invest in massive technology to do that.
01:50:51.000You need to invest in massive resources to do that.
01:50:54.000It allows them to create, to preserve their monopolistic power.
01:51:01.000We don't want any monopolies in our society.
01:51:03.000We want it to be a free market where people can freely express their opinions and ideas and them, these large corporations, they're incentivized to
01:51:15.000have rules that don't allow competition to emerge.
01:51:19.000So you have to look at it in different lenses sometimes to understand what the motivations
01:51:27.000But in a lot of cases, let's say we're talking social media like Facebook and stuff like
01:51:35.000It's very difficult to replicate a Facebook if you have to have thousands upon thousands of people moderating content and hire thousands of thousands of people to do that.
01:51:46.000Or invest in AI technologies that, you know, require enormous amount of hardware costs and compute costs.
01:51:55.000These are barriers to entry in the market.
01:51:59.000They're trying to add barriers so that no one can do what they're doing.
01:52:03.000And this is why we can't allow that to happen.
01:52:06.000Yeah, what George Carlin says is, when interests converge, conspiracy isn't necessary.
01:52:12.000So that benefits groups like Facebook, Google, et cetera, because it prevents the barriers that you've just described.
01:52:17.000And it benefits the state because it allows and facilitates the ability for censorship, for surveillance, and for control.
01:52:25.000So it's like, in a sense, the COVID period, it generated Possibility is an opportunity to legitimise regulation, to create a cashless society, to justify censorship, to justify new credit score systems.
01:52:39.000If so many interests were able to coalesce around it, that we could watch in real time how power operates.
01:52:47.000Hold on a minute, they're trying to shut down free speech.
01:52:48.000They're saying they're helping us and they're actually controlling it, like it all unfolded.
01:53:31.000I'm talking about a man who is facing a series of litigations, a man who's become very controversial on the world stage, but that you believe, Chris, is a genius.
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01:53:58.000So, what is it about Andrew Tate that you consider makes him a genius?
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