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00:00:00.000Hello you Awakening Wonders there on Spotify, Apple, Stink Whistle, Gurgle Dot, or wherever you download your podcasts these days to remain at least peripherally connected to some tendril of truth in a bewildering miasma of lies and propaganda.
00:01:21.000We're of course going to be talking about Luciferian worship.
00:01:24.000We're going to be talking about the Culture War Reaching a global scale.
00:01:28.000Can we even have a global culture anymore?
00:01:30.000The more they push for globalism, the less likely it seems to be achieved when there is so much obvious division.
00:01:38.000Once the Olympics would have been a happy distraction, now it is a battleground for the culture war with people being unable to agree as to whether or not Formerly male athletes that have transitioned ought be able to compete whether or not Christianity and its sacred artifacts ought be ridiculed.
00:01:54.000We'll also be talking about the emergence of new nationalist movements and the fact that they are now not derided in the way they once were.
00:02:03.000Perhaps because of the incredible overreach of globalism and who better to discuss all this with than your favorite Celtic Lilting poet, commentator, and creator of glorious content, Neil Oliver.
00:02:19.000Neil, thanks so much for joining us today.
00:02:24.000Neil, we'll do the first 10 minutes of our conversation available widely, but then we'll be exclusively streaming on Rumble simply because the condition of your hair will be eventually subject to a ban.
00:02:35.000You cannot be your age and have hair that silky on an alphabet or meta platform.
00:02:53.000I know you've posted a lot about the Olympic Opening Ceremony and I suppose in a sense...
00:02:59.000There are few people remaining that would say, oh it was appropriate, what's the big deal in the name of inclusivity and diversity?
00:03:07.000It's helpful and acceptable to celebrate diverse forms of identity and ethnicity by deriding potent Christian imagery.
00:03:19.000Diversity and inclusivity don't need to be earned at the cost of sacred traditional values, I suppose would be a good place to start.
00:03:27.000And what's What's your perspective on it, mate?
00:03:31.000Oh, it's so difficult to read what was or wasn't intended by any and all of it.
00:03:37.000I think what amazes me is that we all know that something like the opening ceremony for the Olympic Games, which is a global spectacle, must have been reviewed and contemplated at length before it happened.
00:03:53.000I mean, you know, anything, you know, be it a story before it goes in a newspaper or a feature before it turns up in a magazine or something is broadcast, people analyse it endlessly and painfully to see, you know, how such and such a thing might be interpreted.
00:04:10.000So it just seems completely disingenuous the way that, well, the opening ceremony happened and then within a What you might describe almost as a matter of minutes, the French regime was kind of apologising for and withdrawing aspects of it and footage was being deleted from the internet as though, you know, nobody meant any harm here.
00:04:33.000But I fail to see how you could have had a look at what was planned and not predicted that in the, you know, in the traditionally Christian West, Some of the imagery wasn't possibly going to cause offence.
00:05:07.000Let's just have a look at a few of the moments.
00:05:08.000And yeah, it's difficult to imagine, Neil, that when at the planning stages, at the stages where it was being sort of plotted out just in terms of images and choreography, that it didn't cause some French eyebrows to be raised.
00:05:21.000Let's have a look at a few moments together.
00:05:51.000I don't know what is inclusive about what seems to be a preponderance of trans women, men, bearded men juxtaposed in a sexualised costume and choreography in proximity to kids.
00:06:13.000I don't know what that's inclusive of.
00:06:21.000The Guardian and others have suggested that while it might have a passing resemblance to the tableau that's known to everyone as Leonardo's Last Supper, it was actually the Feast of the Gods by a Dutch artist.
00:06:35.000No, no, you must have looked at what was going to be the final result of that and thought that most people who aren't art critics or art historians are going to jump straight to the conclusion that you're parodying and mocking The Last Supper, which is a central image for Christians.
00:06:52.000And also, then there was the way in which people were very quick to say, ah, you would never have done this about any Islamic You know, sacredness.
00:07:06.000Which is to completely overlook the fact that devout Islam absolutely loves Jesus.
00:07:16.000The suggestion that Muslims anywhere would be rubbing their hands together in satisfaction at seeing Jesus mocked is absolute nonsense.
00:07:26.000There's a whole chapter of the Quran about Miriam, which is to say Mary.
00:07:34.000There are more references to Jesus in the Quran than there are to Muhammad.
00:07:38.000So that divisive element about it, where immediately there was an opportunity to cast Christianity against Islam, is everything.
00:07:48.000Did we just stumble, or are we just herding from one flashpoint to the next, where people with not enough time maybe to process things effectively, are just invited to be furious I like that phrase, one flashpoint to the next, invited to be furious about something all the time.
00:08:14.000If I might guide you to my own interpretation of that flashpoint, isn't implicitly the problem Embedded in globalism, the idea that we have desanctified and desacralized our cultural spaces and replaced it with a new materialistic, rationalistic power.
00:08:38.000I was speaking to a priest the other day, that's what I do, and he said that the Enlightenment, this is rather brilliant Neil, you'll like this, the Enlightenment might be regarded as the flooding Of the previous light of Christ, who bears the light to the world, with Luciferian light, i.e.
00:08:55.000the Enlightenment, if it could be, and forgive the reductivism, be calcified into a single mental object, is the idea that mankind is the summit of all hierarchies.
00:09:09.000And if human beings are the summit, and there is no God, and there are no principles, that the individual is the apex and the sovereign, Then, it's okay to meddle with nature, it's okay to alter your own nature, it's okay to denigrate sacred principles, it's okay to be morally relativist, all sorts of ideas become permissible when you extract God.
00:09:35.000And don't you think that the Olympics as a ceremony, which I suppose would have always been pagan by its nature, at least at its point of origin, is now being used as an object to demonstrate that power now has overrun Christendom.
00:09:55.000There is not, and not only as you point out, Christendom, but in fact a religious purview full stop.
00:10:00.000Materialism as one, rationalism as one, globalism as one, be who you will, do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
00:10:09.000You know, Aleister Crowley's Luciferian edict, do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, It's essentially the principle of government now.
00:10:19.000While they simultaneously become more authoritarian and more controlling, they place at the apex of our systems of principle the fulfilment of your own goals.
00:10:32.000So, whilst I believe absolutely in individual freedom, it's pretty clear that the culture is pushing some ideals and is repressing, attacking, savaging even, another set of ideals.
00:10:48.000I mean, I suppose you could say it's like the replacement of the natural light of natural daylight and sunlight with, you know, with throbbing fluorescent tubes.
00:10:57.000You know, there's just no comparison between the value to be derived from natural light in every sense and artificial light.
00:11:05.000And if it's the replacement of the light of Religiosity, or not religiosity, spirituality, with materialism.
00:11:16.000I can follow the line of that analogy and it works.
00:11:21.000At what point do the people that have a problem with spirituality or God get over it?
00:11:29.000I mean, you go all the way back to the English Revolution in the 17th century, you know, so that Cromwell felt the need to cut the head off the king.
00:11:39.000And then there was the appalling things that happened in Ireland.
00:12:06.000And then, after the French Revolution, they could not...
00:12:10.000They were instantaneously about installing an actress in Notre Dame in mockery of a sacred place and all sorts of terrible things again were done to... Was she an actress, Neil?
00:13:07.000It's supposed to be people coming together to compete at the amateur level to see who's fastest, who's strongest, who can jump highest, you know, and all of that happening in front just to give people something to watch.
00:13:21.000Why do you have to traduce that by bringing in, oh and let's take time out here to mock God?
00:13:30.000Does everything have to present an opportunity to have a go at something that means a great deal to more people alive on the face of the earth?
00:13:41.000Most people on earth believe in God of one sort or another.
00:13:44.000I like the idea that we're experiencing the end of fun, the end of games, but what actually a culture war, because culture might be an expression of humanity's creativity.
00:13:57.000Love of the divine, the various ways that love of the divine might be expressed through nature, creativity and through music or worship or reverence of nature, rather.
00:14:08.000And now we've reached the point where bagatelles and pastimes and festivals of fun and joy and diversion Have become so heavily maligned and politicised that almost the concept itself is over.
00:14:23.000How can there be, Neil, would you say, a simultaneous push for globalism, a simultaneous push for diversity, when having such an antagonistic attitude towards the sacred views of, as you say, a significant demographic.
00:15:29.000All we do is we just dig up the earth, we dig up Mother Earth, and we transform the matter that we find there into rubbish.
00:15:37.000That we then after a couple of years throw into landfills that then leaks toxically back into the flesh and blood of Mother Earth.
00:15:44.000The whole thing is so devoid of meaning and I think it's something, there's almost something hopeful about that because When you take globalism and materialism and all of that to its logical conclusion, you find out that at the end of it all, there's nothing there.
00:16:03.000And people are instinctively angry because they sense that the natural law all around them, not just in terms of what was happening there in the Olympic Opening Ceremony, but everything that's natural, the natural law is being subverted.
00:16:16.000It's being turned upside down, inside out.
00:16:19.000And people who don't consider themselves to be spiritual or to be moved by the transcendent are feeling an instinctive upset with it, a physiological response to it, because it's unnatural.
00:16:31.000What's being foisted upon people is the inversion of and the literal corruption of everything that has meaning for people.
00:16:42.000Well, to use a phrase like unnatural, I think, is also a tacit acceptance of the idea of a divine order.
00:16:49.000I suppose you could posit a natural order, but deviating from subverting or altering a natural order is only an aberration or abomination if there is something undergirding the natural order that is divine.
00:17:56.000We're going to talk a little bit about Tommy Robinson and the re-emergence of nationalism and if there are versions of nationalism that can themselves be inclusive, compassionate and loving or are they as they are continually assessed to be by their nature?
00:18:35.000In fact, how can you overlook it in the basics of the Christian message?
00:18:40.000You know, when Jesus was put on the spot about exactly what he was about, you know, it was love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself.
00:19:51.000I suppose the argument would be that institutional Christianity, they may argue, has become patriarchal or exclusive.
00:19:59.000But early Christianity certainly, it seems to me at least, was defined by that principle of it being an open invitation to the Gentiles and to all of God's people to join the chosen through the electing to become baptised, electing to carry the cross.
00:20:16.000alongside him. And then of course, in actual practice, Christianity is growing faster in
00:20:24.000the continent of Africa and the country of China than anyone else precisely because of its
00:20:30.000ability to be universally applied, because of these principles of inclusivity. So it's not
00:20:36.000actually about inclusivity and diversity, it's more likely about nihilism and the extraction
00:20:42.000and attack on meaning. And in order, excuse me, to attack meaning itself, you have to annihilate
00:20:50.000its figurative representatives. You have to attack its myths, its tropes, its stories,
00:20:57.000its icons, its heroes, and in the figure of Christ, I suppose, its king. And it seems to be,
00:21:04.000I reckon what's fascinating about it, Neil, is that, you know, it feels to me like when we were
00:21:10.000young, that the Olympics, if there was a controversy in it, it would be because of like...
00:21:15.000African-American athletes protesting their civil rights, or it would become a stage upon which the Cold War may or may not play out from the inclusion or exclusion of particular nations.
00:21:29.000But for there to be an ideology transcendent of nationality that's not overtly religious, it's not like Islam, or it's not like, you know, Buddhism, it's a set of cultural ideas that are Odd in a way, because when we unpack that set of ideals, what are they about?
00:21:48.000The ability to choose your own sex and gender?
00:21:50.000I don't think anyone has a problem with that among adults.
00:21:55.000And then it seems a lot to me about sexual identity, which sex, other than for procreation, is by definition about pleasure, or you could at best argue the expression of love.
00:22:08.000But sex as, and if it is about pleasure, Or the pleasurable expression of love.
00:22:14.000It's a very odd thing to place at the very center of a culture.
00:22:23.000Of course these ideas are valid and, as we've already touched upon, already covered in the covenant between man of God to recognize that we are in his image, to recognize that there is no higher tribunal, to recognize that our primary duty, other than loving God, is to love our neighbor.
00:23:11.000I don't know if you can see our assets, Neil, on screen, but I'm bringing up assets during this conversation, and this one is a story from The Guardian about Some boxers who failed gender tests at the World Championships are competing.
00:23:23.000Imane Khalifa of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting are both competing as females.
00:23:31.000And this is, they cite old Barry McGuigan.
00:24:03.000I've taken part in sport and games down through the years.
00:24:07.000I've played and done my best at things.
00:24:09.000But to me, if you were a boxer, let's say, You would want to challenge and to find the strongest person that you thought you could be.
00:24:21.000You know, you'd be aiming really to be the heavyweight champion of the world, able to dominate and knock down, or whatever, the next strongest person.
00:24:33.000I don't understand the motivation that says, be it in boxing or swimming or cycling, where you're going, I need to find the people I can definitely beat.
00:24:49.000I want to find someone that can, that doesn't have my upper body strength so that I can definitely beat them.
00:24:54.000I would have thought the sporting ideal, and let's not forget, I mean, even as someone who's not, I don't watch sport, but I get it.
00:25:01.000I mean, there are those transcendent moments where someone, through the perfection of the execution of their Tens of thousands of hours of practice and dedication rises above, almost literally transcends, and can bring an entire football stadium with 50,000 people in it to their feet as one.
00:25:23.000Or it can bring the crowd at a hundred metres final.
00:26:17.000There are these transcendent moments about sport, and to then reduce it in that materialist sense where you're facilitating and enabling people who just want to get a gold medal, or presumably to enter women's tennis as a man, And get all the six-figure checks for winning all the big events.
00:26:40.000It's such a corruption of everything that is the Olympic ideal.
00:26:45.000And I find, Trudie actually pointed it out to me, my wife, she said, do you know it's the Olympics?
00:26:51.000Because she had only just learned that as well.
00:26:53.000Because we've gone through this metamorphosis where we don't watch the telly anymore and we don't read the newspapers, it completely passes by.
00:27:04.000I used to watch Wimbledon when I was a little boy.
00:27:06.000I used to cheer for Björn Borg and latterly I was interested in Andy Murray's, you know, finally Scotland and Britain had a male tennis player winning the championship.
00:27:20.000That whole thing about bread and circuses for the masses.
00:27:23.000I do wonder at the extent to which these things, because of the way in which they've been misused and because of the evolution that sport's been on, Sport itself is corrupted now.
00:27:34.000We all know it's all about money and it's all about the big sponsorship deals and all of it.
00:27:38.000And I think people are just quite naturally, and I mean that, I choose that word deliberately, are just naturally drifting away from it.
00:27:45.000Because that thing about sport that used to lift people up, you know, working class guys that could, after their miserable week in the factory, they could go to the football on a Saturday afternoon and there might be a moment when one of their heroes did something that they couldn't do.
00:27:59.000And it wasn't about earning a million pounds a week.
00:28:01.000or something, I wasn't what they idolized.
00:28:03.000They idolized the fact that here was somebody that's a bit like me from a world that I recognize
00:28:11.000Well, the complex social chemistry may have just become more combustible
00:28:18.000because if you deny the bread and circuses medicine and anesthetic to a culture and class
00:28:27.000that could at any point bubble over, you may be surprised by the results.
00:28:33.000As sport becomes politicized, as entertainment becomes politicized, as ordinary people become more evidently loathed by the generators of culture, it appears that working class and at movements are starting to reform and this time not in
00:28:50.000the image that we might be familiar with those of us that still revere their civil rights
00:28:55.000heroes of the 60s but in a new form that I don't think has entirely landed yet and might be
00:29:02.000I want to talk a little more about some of the nation-first movements and whether or not they have to necessarily be predicated on exclusion.
00:29:11.000Even though, of course, you would have to say that a nation is about inclusion and exclusion.
00:29:16.000You can't have a nation unless it has flags, borders, an identity, a territory.
00:29:21.000Maybe a constitution, or at least something resembling one, and a set of ideals.
00:29:26.000Certainly, as globalism's power and reach has increased, we have seen an understandable growth in nationalism, as people feel impeded upon, yes, by migration, but also by global corporatism.
00:29:37.000And I want to talk about some of those movements, and in particular the march that happened in our country, Neil, over the last week.
00:29:43.000I'm talking about the Tommy Robinson march.
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00:30:50.000So, mate, yeah, I just wanted to talk about this Tommy Robinson thing.
00:30:53.000I've not looked at this before, but I understand that many, many thousands of people marched in London, that there were counter-marches, and I'm... I'm guessing we're similar ages, you and I, and in some ways have similar political perspectives, and my... I've been fascinated with Tommy Robinson for a long while.
00:31:10.000I'll just tell you why that is, then we'll look at the footage, and then, you know, I'd love to hear what you feel about all of this.
00:31:16.000I've always felt that any political movement that's going to be truly grassroots and have a chance of succeeding has to earnestly reach ordinary working people, and that would be, by my reckoning, a non-racial endeavor.
00:31:31.000All working people, the working people of Britain, are drawn from many races and many religions, but due to the obvious demographics and history of these islands, will include a lot of White working-class people just because of where we are in Northern Europe and because we are a late industrial nation.
00:31:50.000So that's why working-class is going to be a big part of it.
00:31:53.000So I want to, for a moment, tackle and assess what these marches are about, how they compare to the rise in right-wing politics in France, the MAGA movement in the United States of America, and reformulating populism and whether it can ever have at its core in its heart Love rather than hate and whether that's a fair assessment
00:32:15.000anyway Because the many detractors of movements like this are
00:32:19.000obviously invested in saying are these groups racist and hateful
00:32:22.000Let's have a look at a little compilation from the march the other day to give a nil
00:32:27.000*Marching band playing* What a feeling
00:32:33.000Most hated man in Britain All your lies didn't work.
00:32:50.000And the best thing is, we're unifying the people.
00:34:37.000So tell me mate what you think of this kind of movement and this kind of march and what role it will play in anti-establishment politics going forward.
00:34:48.000It's a very febrile, volatile cocktail of ingredients that has been collected together in Britain.
00:34:57.000And I would say it's been collected and curated deliberately against the interests really of everyone concerned.
00:35:08.000We need, regardless of creed and colour, to look sideways and recognise the importance of coming together and looking up, because above us, whence the trouble comes, We're being manipulated and set at one another's throats by people that we don't pay attention to and instead our attention is directed by the people at the people either side.
00:35:42.000And acting on that impulse only serves them.
00:35:47.000Because it just facilitates bringing whatever, martial law or mores or digital IDs or the further loss of freedom and rights for all.
00:35:58.000Everyone, everyone with any kind of humanity is appalled by the grooming gangs and all of that kind of, you know, that's anti-human.
00:36:08.000That's just appalling behaviour that everyone with a decent beating human heart is offended by.
00:36:18.000I've a long time been friends with Majid Nawaz, late of LBC and now a hard to find podcaster because a lot of his content is so pushed down by algorithms and all the rest of it.
00:36:32.000Majid, who is of, I think I'm right, I think he's of Pakistani lineage, He on LBC was calling out the grooming gangs and he was freely and honestly saying, you know, we're talking about people who are my people here, he was saying, and we have to speak about this and address this and exercise this evil.
00:36:55.000So from within the heart of the very community that was being accused of it and that was guilty of it, there was also a voice and more than one voice saying, we must talk about this.
00:37:07.000You know, and it's people, what you want is the synergy of bringing together people from all of those groups who understand that it is to love your neighbour and to honestly have the conversation and the confidence to have the conversation that says this from within my tribe is utterly abhorrent And we're calling it out, and we do not identify with it, and it's got nothing to do with us.
00:37:36.000And that has to be listened to by all of the other tribes.
00:37:42.000And the fatfall that civilizations make every time is by being tricked and brainwashed into behaving as the mob.
00:37:54.000And when these things become violent then the mob is only and always a tool of the state.
00:38:00.000It's made to look like it's the people doing something for themselves but it never is.
00:38:06.000I know people that were on that march.
00:38:09.000I've got people who are dear to me who were on that And I know the kind of people that they are and the good things that they are honestly motivated by.
00:38:20.000You can't point at a gathering like that and say, well, just all these people are racist or all these people are whatever, nationalists in the very worst sense of the word.
00:38:28.000Because Tommy Robinson is speaking to a congregation that is vilified and has been set aside and white working class being a large part of it.
00:38:37.000And he speaks to that, he listens to their concerns and someone ought to be listening to their concerns.
00:38:43.000He's a very clever guy, Tommy Robinson.
00:38:46.000I've read his book and he's a clever operator.
00:38:52.000He knows what he's talking about and he comes from that of which he speaks.
00:38:57.000And so I wouldn't dismiss him for one minute.
00:39:00.000But the crucial factor is that we have to learn once and for all that the trouble that we see on either side of us is put there to annoy us.
00:39:11.000We're being shaken up like ants in a jar and the result is internecine violence.
00:39:16.000Which is the objective of those above that we don't pay enough attention to.
00:39:19.000And if they get their way, there will be something, you know, dreadful things will happen.
00:39:24.000And the solutions that are offered for those dreadful things, the consequences that arise from those dreadful things, will not serve any of us.
00:39:32.000Yes, it's extraordinary to try to even contemplate what a workable and viable solution might look like.
00:39:40.000Obviously, Neil, over time we've gone from a kind of situation where the issue of migration was held up As a measure of where you stood on a scale of compassion.
00:40:00.000These refugee crises are often caused by the results of imperialism, colonialism, or more laterally, economic and commercial exploitation, or destabilization through wars.
00:40:16.000There's almost a sense of culpability and guilt.
00:40:18.000But now, whether or not they will be effective in doing so, even Keir Starmer's apparently left of centre, although if you were to, I'm sure, analyse them by policy, you would find that they're ultimately a sort of a kind of right-wing party in terms of social policy, and potentially only left-wing in terms of authority and government control.
00:40:41.000They have accepted that the argument has been won on migration.
00:40:45.000Most people are concerned about immigration in the UK.
00:40:48.000Most people are concerned about immigration in the US.
00:40:52.000And in both these countries, you've seen parties that would have once attacked their opponents as racists for vilifying or not being sympathetic to migrants, refugees, whatever you want to call them.
00:41:03.000They now have adopted their policies, or at least seek to emulate their policies with a softer rhetoric.
00:41:10.000What I sometimes wonder, Neil, is what a solution looks like in the event that you have nation-first governments elected.
00:41:20.000You know, you have a MAGA president in the United States, obviously Donald Trump.
00:41:24.000You have, say, a Nigel Farage coalition coming in at some point.
00:41:30.000What happens around the subject of migration?
00:41:33.000Yes, there's the idea of closed borders.
00:41:34.000Yes, there's the idea of legal migration.
00:41:37.000But I sometimes wonder what would be the relationship between the diverse existing communities in this country, or in any country.
00:41:45.000And that's where I would like to return to your point.
00:41:48.000That we surely have to find a set of ideals that are predicated mostly upon love rather than hate and othering.
00:41:57.000I am so sympathetic to the ideas you've outlined and that Tommy Robinson represents, that essentially a manufacturing and military class are no longer required for manufacturing and the military in the way they once were.
00:42:12.000So now they have been vilified and abandoned.
00:42:15.000The jobs are gone, the wars that require them are gone, and now they are being essentially condemned and perjured so that people don't have to deal with the fact that the people that I wonder how a kind of thesis or rather a manifesto might be formed that shows us what that would Britain look like?
00:42:32.000Do you see a chance for real if not real integration then happy cohabiting?
00:42:35.000because of migration or globalism that their voices aren't heard. I wonder how a kind of thesis,
00:42:43.000or rather a manifesto might be formed that shows us what that would Britain look like. Do you see
00:42:49.000a chance for real, if not real integration, then happy cohabiting?
00:42:54.000Because we're surely not saying, all right, you know, let's exercise the nation of all non-white
00:43:04.000Like, you know, surely, like, when I spoke to Galloway about this, he said, I agree that immigration has to be controlled because if you flood the market with migrants, ordinary working people can't earn any bloody decent wedge.
00:43:15.000But everyone that's already here, we're going to have to learn to get along.
00:43:18.000And that, for me, kind of seemed like a good direction to take it.
00:43:22.000And I wonder what your thoughts are on that, Neil.
00:43:28.000The mass migration has already happened.
00:43:33.000I think it's fair to say that on some metrics the British demographic has been altered to a greater extent more quickly than any other nation has experienced in certainly modern times.
00:43:50.000the the number of new people have arrived in my own mass all at once within a you know within half of a within a generation or less And obviously something similar.
00:44:02.000I had somebody saying the other day that 50 odd million Americans, in fact it was Conor McGregor I think, 50 odd million Americans or 50 odd million people in America weren't born there.
00:44:13.000You know, so something similar in terms of the scale and the speed is happening there.
00:44:19.000And it's absolutely a defensible and a right stance to take that where there's an indigenous culture It must prevail.
00:44:31.000It must not be obliterated by simply flooding that indigenous population, that indigenous culture with something else, regardless of what it is.
00:44:42.000You know, UNESCO has a list of, you know, they've got the World Heritage Sites, you know, your pyramids and Stonehenge and so on.
00:44:51.000But there's also a list of intangible cultural heritage.
00:44:56.000Which refers to, like, folk myth and language and cuisine and dance.
00:45:03.000All the things that everyone who belongs to a culture instinctively knows and recognises, but you can't actually lay a hand on them.
00:45:10.000It's not like an architecture or whatever, it's song and all the intangibles.
00:45:15.000And these things are rightfully defended.
00:45:18.000Every two weeks, I think it is, by an estimate, a language disappears.
00:45:23.000The last speaker of a language dies about twice a month, and taking with them what Wade Davis, the anthropologist, called a deep growth forest of the mind.
00:45:38.000A whole way of perceiving reality Blinks out like an extinguished light when we lose a language and we're losing them in that way and being cavalier about the cultural inheritance of all the nations on earth built up over not just centuries but over millennia and to treat those things as disposable and to watch them be diluted to the point of extinction and disappearance is the most egregious wrong
00:46:07.000And there's nothing wrong with seeing that has established over a couple of thousand years an indigenous culture and population in Britain and the people who have a stake in it and who are the inheritors of, in many ways, these intangible aspects of cultural heritage.
00:46:24.000They've got a right to defend them and they've got a right to want to be able to pass them on to their own children and to see them passed on again.
00:47:13.000I mean, the people that are arriving into Europe and arriving into Britain, that wouldn't be happening in many ways if we hadn't spent the last, since the end of the Second World War, bombing the shit out of every other country on Earth.
00:47:24.000You know, all over, the West's exploitation of Africa, the West's abuse of the Middle East, bombing, invading, seeking regime change by political means and all the rest of it, causing that kind of disruption.
00:47:38.000And then people are left with nothing but rubble and broken dreams and dead parents and dead babies.
00:47:51.000If my country had been bombed flat, generationally, by a stronger military power, and I had the wherewithal to get my boys and my daughter out of here to somewhere where the living was better, damn straight I'd be doing that.
00:48:04.000And if they got there, I'd be saying, send me the address and mum and I'll come and join you.
00:48:08.000I won't condemn that desperation but there are so many ingredients to all of this and again I say it's been confected and exploited by those above who never lose and only gain and by their exploitation of chaos and their sowing of internecine squabble and cultural and religious hatred and all of the rest of it and stoking of anger instead of friendship it benefits them and it's a zero-sum game for the rest of us.
00:48:37.000With over 100,000 gas stations, petrol stations we call them, grocery stores, and that's a better term, and restaurants on the upside app, cashback is just around the corner on daily essentials.
00:49:46.000It's interesting to note the significance of the nihilism of the Olympic ceremony when it comes to the collapsing of those intangible cultural assets.
00:49:58.000The richness of France is literary, artistic, musical, philosophical, religious, History collapsed into a really contemporary niche idea about individual freedom of expression at the cost of all else is extraordinary and you can see how that would be a useful tool in creating an environment where indigenous populations are prone to exploitation, assault and takeover.
00:50:25.000I want to talk in a minute now about the great challenge the media faces in creating a new icon and hero in the Democrat Party nominee Kamala Harris.
00:50:35.000They need to quickly turn around a public perception of her as maybe a little inept and flawed and not great at public speaking and having a pretty draconian record while in office as a lawyer and as an Attorney General into the hero that the establishment requires.
00:51:02.000So Neil, what do you think about the Kamala Harris project?
00:51:08.000There's this cover of her at the New York Times as an attempt to repackage some of her odd rambles as a sort of a positive and enjoyable thing.
00:51:18.000It's an image that suggests unity but it's sort of somewhat slapdash.
00:51:23.000I wonder if you saw The brilliant Bordasar amalgam.
00:51:29.000Under Joe Biden, she was Bordasar with special purview and portfolio over border security.
00:51:38.000And now that she's president, they're pretending that she never was.
00:51:41.000There's a brilliant montage, which I'll show you at some point, of that.
00:51:44.000And also, there's, I want to, carrying on from what we were just discussing, American
00:51:52.000children are no longer the primary source of new residents within the country.
00:51:56.000So in a sense, it relates to what we've been talking about throughout this show, a kind
00:52:00.000of sense that we are being presented with a homogenized uni-culture to accompany the
00:52:07.000homogenized systems of economics and governance and media that already dominate while claiming
00:52:15.000But if you just start off by telling me what you've observed as the media has undertaken its attempt to get everyone on board with Kamala Harris.
00:52:27.000I can't believe it's being done with a straight face.
00:52:32.000It's almost like watching, you know, if you kind of, you know, look into a room when your kids were like three and four or whatever and they're playing with another half a dozen kids and they're in this, they've made up this sort of make-believe thing and they're making it out like it's real.
00:52:48.000And then, obviously, as soon as you get Mum and Dad walking, you know, the atmosphere changes and you stop.
00:52:54.000I can't believe that anyone's trying to sell the American people Kamala Harris as a serious contender for anything.
00:53:05.000Because it's all exposed and it's all out there.
00:53:07.000Like you say, this thing where they're now, her having been Biden's border czar, because they had to give her something to do, and now they're saying, no she wasn't, no she wasn't.
00:53:17.000That's the kiddie equivalent of eyes closed, fingers in ears, la la la la la.
00:53:25.000And they seem to really genuinely, they must have something else up their sleeves.
00:53:31.000Either they're going to, surely they're going to spring someone else at the last minute or there's not going to be an election.
00:53:36.000Because you can't seriously go into an election against Donald Trump unless you, unless you've just given up, unless you just, oh well we're never going to win that one and we will just expend Kamala Harris here and that'll be her, that'll be her time gone.
00:53:50.000But you can't seriously, is she really, I mean, you know, she can't, she can't speak.
00:53:56.000She doesn't make sense and she doesn't grasp principles about economics or anything else that you would explore or matters geopolitical that you would naturally be inclined to expect your commander-in-chief to be able to you know to talk off the cuff about as though they had spent five minutes studying any of those subjects before they started speaking about them.
00:54:16.000She is utterly unbelievable and yet and yet here we are What does it tell us about how the Democratic Party must work, that it takes a little more than a couple of endorsements and some front covers to generate?
00:54:29.000I was just watching a Jon Stewart piece, mate.
00:54:32.000And like Jon Stewart sort of did this, you know, he's always funny, Jon Stewart.
00:54:36.000I really love Jon Stewart as a comedian.
00:54:38.000Like the, you know, the Democrat Party were in bewilderment and within the wilderness
00:55:11.000In his first episode back, he ridiculed Joe Biden, as well as Donald Trump.
00:55:16.000By the second episode of him being back, he'd stopped ridiculing Joe Biden.
00:55:20.000And what I feel this weird time shows us is something that became evident during COVID.
00:55:27.000You've got a media machine that will just support and amplify the messaging of the establishment, whatever that messaging is.
00:55:34.000When it was required to say Joe Biden is as sharp as a tack, it said that.
00:55:38.000When it was required to say that Joe Biden was in decline and had to be replaced, it said that.
00:55:42.000When it had to say that Kamala Harris was a proficient politician, It's saying that.
00:55:46.000And how can it maintain its trust in a fractured, splintered media environment where now Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan compete to be the world's top podcasters and to a point political voices?
00:56:22.000I do wonder at the extent to which we're just being there in some sort of liminal period between the way things were, where there was credibility connected to politicians and the media by some people to some extent.
00:56:36.000They've got into this position where hardly anybody trusts the media.
00:56:44.000Politicians have now got a reputation lower than what the state agents were famous for having in the 90s.
00:56:49.000No one treats them with any kind of respect whatsoever.
00:56:52.000But I do wonder, as I say, are we transitioning to a point where they know that?
00:56:59.000And they know that we know that and all of the rest of the, you know, sultanates and, you know, the way you roll that out, they know, we know, we know, they know.
00:57:07.000Are they just saying it doesn't matter that you know?
00:57:09.000It doesn't matter that you, because you people don't matter because, because votes and voting doesn't matter.
00:57:14.000And here's the Democratic Party casting aside democracy itself and holding a coup within
00:57:23.000its own borders and deciding without so much as a 'by your leave' that this person is no
00:57:29.000longer wanted to be the president, won't be running for next president and here's the
00:57:35.000next person that you're going to have.
00:57:37.000And we're going to make her as ridiculous as possible to underline the fact that we
00:57:42.000know that you know what we're about and it's important that you know what we're about because
00:57:48.000There's a new sheriff in town and he just tells you how it's going to be and if we give you a ridiculous commander-in-chief that's utterly implausible, Well, we know that she's ridiculous and utterly implausible, but we want to see you accept it.
00:58:02.000It's that kind of, it's that doublethink from, you know, that Orwellian doublethink, where they know that people know what they know, but they know that the people won't have the nerve to say it for fear of consequences.
00:58:12.000Well, we've just endured Joe Biden for approaching four years, so it's pretty clear that whatever the ideal is, it bears some resemblance to what you're describing, that they don't really care.
00:58:27.000And over the course of our conversation, Neil, I've started to notice that there's an ongoing and continual attempt to create, it seems, confusion and to rely on the fact that confusion by itself generates division.
00:58:42.000This is the President of the United States.
00:58:55.000But we've got loads of footage of people saying and it being publicly acknowledged that she was Bordasar.
00:59:01.000At the Olympic ceremony, where you have odd, extraordinary spectacles that don't seem to be about the principle of reverence, respect and love that all human beings warrant and is included and indeed central to Christianity.
00:59:17.000It seems to be about a kind of mocking and ridicule.
00:59:21.000And I suppose the questions I have when it comes to grassroots movements is, I can understand Because it is the community that I grew up in, in fact, why working-class communities would have anger in them.
00:59:35.000I've never lost it in spite of the years spent being adored and fated, particularly of how that culture is ultimately, how I've interacted with that culture, say, and what the, you know, where I currently stand within it.
00:59:47.000Like you, I find it hard even to participate as a spectator now to cultural events because I see the culture as this
00:59:55.000malign, disgusting, demonic, unjust, duplicitous demon, ultimately. But what I suppose it
01:00:06.000becomes the happy task of the likes of you and me to work towards is that some good faith
01:00:17.000Wouldn't it be good to know that nationalist movements were driven by love?
01:00:22.000That it's like, we love this country, and we love the people that built this country, and we are open to inclusivity, but we will come to consensually between us, not some top-down Bleaching sheen shone down from unreliable centralised forces and resources.
01:00:43.000I really hope, Neil, that the simple and somewhat trite idea of movements fuelled by love can somehow be all good.
01:01:36.000We are going through a time of great change, apocalypse in that sense of a revealing.
01:01:41.000And people, so many people in response to so many of the problems are saying, are recognising that anything that seems to come as a global crisis For which only a one-size-fits-all top-down global solution applies.
01:01:57.000People are seeing that for the nonsense that it is.
01:01:59.000My friend Nick Hudson calls it, he uses Hudson's Razor.
01:02:03.000He says, if it's presented as a global crisis, if they tell you that they're the only purveyors of the top-down solution, and thirdly, that any dissent is to be stamped on like heresy of old, you're dealing with a scam.
01:02:17.000Every time those three things come together, you're dealing with a scam.
01:02:21.000I learned that, and so many people have recognised that this top-down, globalist thing, they've seen it for what it is, and that's a good thing.
01:02:30.000And people talk about, Ralph Schulhammer's another one that talks to me all the time about the necessity for local and for community.
01:02:40.000Those are the words on the lips of more and more people who, like myself, previously did not involve themselves in conversations of this nature because I didn't think that I was required in them.
01:02:51.000But my awakening has been that I have seen that that was a terrible dereliction of duty on my part.
01:02:58.000You know, I am, you know, any man's death diminishes me for I am involved in mankind, you know, therefore never sent to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.
01:03:08.000And it's not about rights so much as it's about obligations.
01:03:12.000And people are realising that whether it's onerous or uncomfortable or not, they have not just a right, which is fine, rather they have an obligation to stand up in the face of this kind of tyranny and this kind of nonsense.
01:03:27.000And out of that will come, out of that will come genuine love.
01:03:30.000There's nothing wrong with love of country.
01:03:33.000I sometimes think about the fact that we're all scattered around.
01:03:37.000I lament all the time that some of the people I most enjoy talking to are nowhere near me.
01:03:43.000You included, although you're only in London, you're only a one hour flight away.
01:03:47.000But I talk to people in South Africa and I talk to people in North America and South America and Australia and New Zealand who are all sharing this.
01:03:53.000And I think it's like we've got a virtual country.
01:03:56.000You know, it's this brotherhood that's my country, it's this legion that's my country.
01:04:08.000I think people are rediscovering that and remembering to love country, not in a way that means hating the neighbours, Not in a way that means hating people on the other side of the fence.
01:04:19.000On the contrary, once you come to love your own country and culture and language and heritage, then a side benefit of that is appreciating everyone else.
01:04:31.000As you just said a few minutes ago about France, The richness of the French culture, and happily, I haven't seen much in the way of people being angry with the French about what happened at the Olympics, which might have happened before.
01:04:45.000Because of course it's got nothing to do with the French, it's got nothing to do with French people.
01:04:48.000Presumably they're still just out there, still enjoying their baguettes and enjoying their strange pop music and doing all the things that French people are, that we love.
01:04:58.000People have learned enough to go, it's the regime.
01:05:40.000I'm angry with the French, I've been angry with the French, and I remain angry with the French.
01:05:47.000Neil, thank you so much for those brilliant exclamations, explications, stories, poems, rhymes, and good old-fashioned common sense spun so beautifully.
01:05:58.000What we always accept and expect from a conversation with Neil Oliver.