Stay Free - Russel Brand - Calley Means - on Big Pharma, Ultra-Processed Foods & Ozempic For Kids

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00:00:41.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:49.000 Thank you for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:52.000 It's an exciting episode today because we've got Callie Means on today, who's a whistleblower, insider and activist against Big Food and Big Pharma, who will reveal to you information that literally might save your children's lives, certainly will reduce the chances of your children getting diabetes.

00:01:07.000 Might, if you're male, improve your chances of remaining fertile.

00:01:11.000 We'll be talking about the pharmaceutical industry and Big Food's role in funding Legacy Media.

00:01:16.000 Kali is, of course, the founder of TrueMed, a company that enables tax-free spending on food and exercise.

00:01:22.000 Simple things that might change and save your life.

00:01:24.000 He's also the co-author with his sister of Good Energy, which is coming out next year and available for pre-order.

00:01:29.000 There's links in the description for that.

00:01:31.000 We talk about a Zen pic, which you'll love hearing about, and how they're pushing that on kids now.

00:01:36.000 One industry fattens them up, another industry benefits from their diabetes.

00:01:40.000 We'll be talking about baby foods and pesticides, a little bit about Bill Gates and the emergence of independent media and independent voices, as well as some stuff that relates to me personally.

00:01:48.000 Let's get into Callie Means now.

00:01:49.000 Callie, thank you so much.

00:01:51.000 I'm so pumped to be here, Russell.

00:01:52.000 Thank you.

00:01:53.000 I'm excited to see you.

00:01:54.000 Last time we spoke, it was at the Community Festival.

00:01:56.000 We had a wonderful conversation there.

00:01:58.000 I had the privilege of meeting your beautiful father.

00:02:01.000 I want to please pass on my regards to him.

00:02:04.000 And will you tell me, is it true that you've been lobbying Congress?

00:02:10.000 I mean, I don't like to think of you as a lobbyist, but communicating at least with people from Congress.

00:02:14.000 To what ends are you hopeful?

00:02:16.000 And how the hell have you gotten yourself involved in the system when you are a renegade?

00:02:21.000 Russell, yeah, through this tirade I've been on, a lot of members of Congress have reached out, so in the past couple weeks I've met with about 40.

00:02:30.000 I actually presented to a group of 50 congressional spouses too, which was very interesting, and they were very fired up as well.

00:02:38.000 What I'm consistently hearing behind closed doors is that people are getting wind that this is the biggest issue in the country.

00:02:47.000 I mean, among kids, puberty among American children is starting years earlier now.

00:02:55.000 Literally, 70-year-olds are growing breasts at an alarming rate.

00:02:59.000 We're literally dragging puberty down because all the hormones and all the toxins in our food are changing our biology.

00:03:06.000 Infertility is skyrocketing in the country.

00:03:08.000 We're literally, and this is pronounced happening in America, but happening around the developed world, we're losing our ability to reproduce, to commit our main evolutionary function.

00:03:20.000 Infertility is skyrocketing.

00:03:21.000 Male sperm count is down 50%.

00:03:24.000 in the past generation.

00:03:26.000 And obviously the chronic diseases among Americans, but particularly among children with,

00:03:31.000 the most staggering statistic we've talked about a lot, 33% of teenagers having prediabetes.

00:03:36.000 I mean, this is the biggest issue in the country, but I will tell you members of Congress are very frustrated.

00:03:41.000 Back to my days, early days as a working for the pharma industry,

00:03:47.000 they're being bombarded with study after study saying ultra processed food is good.

00:03:50.000 They're bombarded with study after study and threat after threat about ruining their political careers if they go against the status quo.

00:03:57.000 So they're really, really figuring out what to do.

00:03:59.000 And I think where there's a potential hope here, Russell, is you look at the polling in America, and actually, you know, the two outside candidates who I would say actually are basing their campaigns on, on tearing up this corrupt system, particularly the healthcare system, are RFK and Donald Trump.

00:04:16.000 I mean, they're polling over 60% in a general election.

00:04:20.000 So whatever you think of those two candidates, there's clearly an appetite of Americans.

00:04:24.000 And I would argue Obviously, RFK, the most popular politician among independents and among women in America.

00:04:30.000 And if you listen to Donald Trump increasingly talking about figuring out what's going on with childhood health, with pharma, with food, actually talking about that a lot, you actually have the two campaigns that are getting the majority of support in the country really staking the message to a large degree on figuring out what's going on.

00:04:50.000 But we need that national leadership because members of Congress feel very stuck.

00:04:56.000 Yes, it sounds like at least there is an appetite within the system for change and I suppose I've always suspected that the individuals within our institutions are not uniformly bad.

00:05:09.000 It's just there's a kind of a magnetism towards the type of interest that you've described being expressed through what I would characterize as corrupt studies that are clearly tendentious and an ongoing inability to challenge the systems of power

00:05:27.000 that undergird our public systems of democracy.

00:05:31.000 The food industry, I suppose, because it's ubiquitous, has avoided the kind of scrutiny,

00:05:39.000 or at least the kind of deeply critical, directed scrutiny that you've provided for too long.

00:05:48.000 Perhaps because, you know, because of the pharmaceutical industry.

00:05:51.000 Perhaps because it seems so innocuous.

00:05:52.000 Perhaps because we have such a strong connection to the food we eat and we like, it seems we like, eating bad food.

00:05:58.000 It's a pain in the arse to eat well.

00:06:01.000 We've been coached into eating bad food.

00:06:03.000 We've been coached away from Natural and organic foods alongside which we've evolved.

00:06:08.000 There are cost implications, but here the kind of statistics you're citing, a 50% drop in fertility, 33% diabetes, early onset puberty, these are almost existential threats.

00:06:22.000 And as with other powerful industries that seem to have undue influence in American political life, like Big Pharma, like the military-industrial complex, we were just talking just now about UFOs, and with the retrieval of extraterrestrial spacecraft, the CIA hand them over to Lockheed Martin, it's been reported.

00:06:42.000 So even when there's extraterrestrial discovery, it falls into the Hands of corporations.

00:06:47.000 Are you optimistic that change could indeed come in the form of candidates like Trump or RFK?

00:06:54.000 And how important is it that we educate ourselves and organise ourselves?

00:06:59.000 Because obviously this is something that's, you know, if it's 33% and 50%, you know, that's essentially affecting, you know, not all of us statistically, but by relationship it'll affect everybody.

00:07:12.000 I think it's optimistic that people are catching on.

00:07:13.000 So if you ask an average mother in this country what her number one concern is, it's that they walk into a classroom and clearly there's something happening with kids.

00:07:21.000 Kids are obese, they're sicker, they're more depressed.

00:07:25.000 Everything's going up all at once.

00:07:27.000 Um, and again, going to the Congress, the micro level, the district by district, um, and you talk about the corruption, the NIH, the majority of grants that they fund in the past 10 years have gone to researchers with direct conflicts of interest.

00:07:41.000 8,000 NIH grants have gone out in recent years to folks, to researchers with a literally direct

00:07:47.000 conflict against what they're studying, whether that be nutrition or whether that be pharma.

00:07:51.000 And then what members of Congress are telling me is then the lobbyists from food and pharma

00:07:56.000 come with those studies that have the seals of Harvard, that have the seals of the NIH on them,

00:08:00.000 and slam them on the desk and say, if you go against this study saying that Lucky Charms,

00:08:06.000 that processed cereals are better than eggs, if you go against this study that's saying we've got

00:08:10.000 to prescribe Ozempic, we've got to prescribe more drugs, we've got to prescribe and fund expensive

00:08:17.000 Alzheimer's drugs that are relatively ineffective, that's the way we need to go to cure chronic

00:08:22.000 And if you go against this, we're going to spend all the money we have to destroy you.

00:08:27.000 That's literally what every congressperson is telling me, that there's direct threats where they're going to run ads in their districts, where they're going to pound the media, Saying that they're killing old people if they go against pharma.

00:08:37.000 When they get those threats, it's hard for that individual member of Congress to act.

00:08:40.000 But what gives me hope is that I do think there's an incentive on a national leadership scale to talk about these issues.

00:08:46.000 Because frankly, it's resonating with voters.

00:08:49.000 If you go to... I was at a playground with my young son the other day, and every child at that playground is eating ultra-processed food, which they're clearly addicted to, they're clearly obese, and they're on a treadmill of of suffering.

00:09:02.000 They're on a treadmill of prediabetes, of obesity, of more and more drugs.

00:09:06.000 So I do think this is catching on, but it's really being spurred by a bottoms-up revolution, frankly, Russell.

00:09:12.000 It's being spurred by people listening to your podcast, listening to Jerome Rogan, reading the top books in the country, taking matters into their own hands.

00:09:19.000 And that, frankly, is extremely disruptive.

00:09:23.000 This is the largest industry in the country.

00:09:25.000 I work for them.

00:09:26.000 They play dirty.

00:09:29.000 And if this happens, if the messages that we're seeing nationally to really investigate what's going on, to really change our paradigm of health, to not have 95% of money spent after people get sick, but actually ask with the $4 trillion we spend in America, how we can actually stay healthy.

00:09:45.000 If those questions actually start being asked, it's very, very disruptive.

00:09:50.000 So there's a lot of opposition to this bottoms up message.

00:09:56.000 With your own son, what foods will you absolutely not allow him to eat and which foods do you allow him to have a little bit of?

00:10:03.000 Because I've got young children and because I'm, I was not properly conscious and because it's easier, I allowed them access to things like, you know, some, they came back the other day from like a fair, they were eating like a blue dummy and like sort of like purple candy floss.

00:10:21.000 They're eating, even the colours of some of the food they're eating tell you that they are, Not found in nature, and they're basically poison.

00:10:28.000 How rigorous are you with your, if you don't mind telling me, your child's diet?

00:10:34.000 Well, quickly on the addiction for kids, Russell, because I think no parent should feel shame.

00:10:40.000 I think we have a system that's rigged against us, and it's powering to understand that.

00:10:43.000 My dad, who you mentioned at the beginning, who loved meeting you, actually was at Stanford Hospital yesterday.

00:10:48.000 He's fine, but he had to have surgery.

00:10:51.000 And my sister accompanied him there, and she sent me a picture.

00:10:54.000 And the picture was the entrance to the cardiology unit at Stanford Hospital and there were two Coca-Cola machines and a vending machine selling ultra-processed food.

00:11:04.000 Now, working for Coke, I actually worked with them to make sure that Coca-Cola machines were in pediatric wards and schools for young children.

00:11:12.000 That was a huge priority for Coke and it was very clear and it was very enunciated in the meetings That we wanted to get these things in pediatric units and schools to normalize that for kids.

00:11:23.000 You know, it's very hard to say that this is the root of all of our problems.

00:11:27.000 This is the root of all the cardiology issues, the diabetes issues, all the obesity issues, all the issues we're seeing with kids.

00:11:33.000 If literally, as my son was being born, I walk outside the room in the pediatric ward in Arizona and there's a Coca-Cola machine.

00:11:39.000 So that's by design.

00:11:42.000 So there's a real effort to get your kids addicted.

00:11:46.000 And Russell, we've talked about this and all my knowledge of addiction, once you get somebody addicted and you get them addicted early, it's very hard.

00:11:54.000 So I really feel for parents and kids You know, sugar by all definitions is a highly addictive drug, and we're getting kids hooked.

00:12:02.000 So I want to say first to parents, hopefully it's empowering, don't shame yourself.

00:12:07.000 I think this is potentially an opportunity, and it's an opportunity I'm going to work on, of educating your child about dopamine, about that our system is really rigged against them and to hijack their dopamine.

00:12:20.000 That is how companies make money.

00:12:22.000 And I think unwinding this addiction crisis, quite frankly, that kids are facing is an important conversation where we shouldn't, you know, feel shame, but really be working through this with our kids if our public officials are going to let us down.

00:12:35.000 The three ingredients to your question, and I think the core issue in the country, is the unholy trinity.

00:12:41.000 It's added sugar.

00:12:43.000 In one bottle of Coke, a child is drinking as much sugar as they had in their entire year.

00:12:49.000 A hundred years ago.

00:12:51.000 Sugar in liquid form is a weapon of mass destruction to blood sugar levels.

00:12:57.000 You know, that's a new phenomenon, really, Russell.

00:13:00.000 Just putting that sugar, it's like an IV, drinking it in liquid form, particularly in fructose, which is a highly weaponized form of sugar, which is in most sodas, right to the bloodstream, highly addictive, raises the blood sugar level.

00:13:10.000 So that's a big issue.

00:13:12.000 And particularly, you know, with a young child where I can control it, obviously no sugar.

00:13:16.000 Seed oils, Industrial byproduct created by John D. Rockefeller 100 years ago, the top source of American calories, very inflammatory.

00:13:24.000 There are omega-6 inflammatory fats instead of omega-3 fats, which we used to eat for all of human history, like olive oil and animal-based fats.

00:13:33.000 Those are also make the food relatively addictive.

00:13:36.000 And then grains, highly processed grains.

00:13:38.000 You've got to ask why food is able to stay on a shelf for years and years and years.

00:13:43.000 That's not natural.

00:13:44.000 The processing is taking the fiber off which blunts the glucose impact and that's a lot of nutrition.

00:13:49.000 So this is frankenfood.

00:13:51.000 And for good measure, we are sprinkling and adding thousands of neurotoxins into the food in America.

00:13:59.000 That are not even legal in other countries.

00:14:02.000 If you measure the urine of Americans right now, 90% of them will have high degree of glyphosate in their urine.

00:14:08.000 If you measure mother's breast milk, they've got glyphosate, which is a pesticide we're putting on foods in their breast milk.

00:14:17.000 We have tons of neurotoxins that we're putting in food because we have a completely unregulated When I was young and a conservative and working for these companies, I used to say, well, we don't want the nanny state.

00:14:29.000 We don't want any regulations on these food companies.

00:14:32.000 That actually was a perversion of conservative principles.

00:14:35.000 What's a nanny state and what's a perversion of the free market is that these companies have gotten a completely free reign.

00:14:40.000 They're self-policing, there's no oversight, and they're literally putting poison in our food.

00:14:45.000 These people aren't dumb.

00:14:47.000 They employ thousands and thousands of scientists to make our food addictive and make it cheap.

00:14:52.000 Kali, before you answer the next question, which I know is going to take us into territory that's complex, certainly too complex for the censorship industrial complex that dominates the conversations that we have these days, I'm going to have to ask those of you, you glorious awakened wonders that are watching us on YouTube, to click the link in the description.

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00:15:18.000 Okay, if you're watching this on Rumble, Last time we spoke about Ozempic, the purported weight loss drug and how popular it was going to be and that it was an unprecedented medicine and there's great marketing behind it and incredible projections behind it.

00:15:34.000 Now, I believe, based on what I've learned from you, that it's being marketed at six-year-old children.

00:15:41.000 So it seems like the partner to these devastating and addictive foods is a pharmaceutical solution that may yet even inflame the situation further.

00:15:51.000 Let's go to that playground I talked about with my two-year-old son.

00:15:56.000 Every kid in that playground, you go to any area where there's a bunch of kids, they are being poisoned.

00:16:03.000 They're eating ultra-processed food.

00:16:05.000 They're drinking liquid sugar.

00:16:07.000 They're eating food covered in neurotoxins like glyphosate and colorings.

00:16:14.000 Our system to just lose its way and completely have, you know, moral blindness about what we're feeding kids.

00:16:20.000 The reason for that is because the food system has interest in making food addictive and cheaper, but the medical system, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Diabetes Association, they haven't said anything as we've seen obesity and all chronic diseases skyrocket among kids.

00:16:36.000 But right now, those organizations, those medical organizations, which are almost fully funded by pharma, they're being very loud.

00:16:43.000 And they are saying in unison that Ozempic, a weekly shot that is required to take for life, that that drug should be the standard of care for obesity starting at six.

00:16:58.000 They are pushing and doing research and actually pushing this as the immediate intervention for an overweight six-year-old.

00:17:06.000 Now, about 30, roughly 30 percent of six-year-olds are overweight or obese.

00:17:12.000 50% of teens are overweight or obese, and 80% of American adults are overweight or obese.

00:17:17.000 So the second this is approved, and the second they're able to substantiate obesity as not something that's controlled by food or lifestyle, but something that's genetic, and let's be very clear, that is what doctors at Harvard are saying.

00:17:30.000 They are arguing aggressively that this is literally not tied to food, that obesity is genetic, not under control.

00:17:36.000 The second they're able to establish that, Doctors will be able to prescribe this drug for life, again, to 30% of six-year-olds, to 50% teens, and 80% of American adults.

00:17:47.000 This is why Russell Novo Nordics just passed LVMH, Louis Vuitton, as the most valuable company in Europe.

00:17:55.000 But what's interesting is that Ozempic is not being funded by European governments for obesity.

00:18:02.000 This is not the standard of care in Europe.

00:18:04.000 You know, I was recently in Denmark where Novo Nordisk is based.

00:18:08.000 It's a beautiful country.

00:18:09.000 Everyone's biking.

00:18:10.000 The food is healthy.

00:18:11.000 They take that very seriously.

00:18:13.000 They're not prescribing Ozempic in their home country for obesity.

00:18:17.000 They're laughing at us in America.

00:18:19.000 90% estimated of their profits are expected to come from America by paying off Our regulators who are asleep at the wheel and pushing this at $15,000 per person per year on the American people.

00:18:34.000 And because this is a miracle drug for doctors who will have lifetime patients create obesity, not into something that you learn how to be healthy and have an awakening, but have to manage for life.

00:18:46.000 That's recurring revenue for the pharma companies.

00:18:48.000 It's recurring revenue for the doctors.

00:18:50.000 It's a dream.

00:18:51.000 And that's why we've got a all out push.

00:18:55.000 My message is very simple.

00:18:57.000 When are we going to realize that if you have a dirty fish tank, you've got to clean the tank.

00:19:02.000 You don't drug the fish.

00:19:04.000 We are drugging the fish in America.

00:19:06.000 We are giving people stans.

00:19:07.000 We're giving them metformin.

00:19:08.000 We're giving them blood pressure medication.

00:19:10.000 We're giving them SSRIs.

00:19:12.000 25% of women in the United States are taking one.

00:19:15.000 We're giving them Ozempic now.

00:19:16.000 That's the average American patient.

00:19:18.000 And as we do this, our costs are going up and our sicknesses are going up and our life expectancy is going down.

00:19:25.000 We've got to attack these industrial complexes.

00:19:29.000 I will say the health industry has done a lot of good things in the past hundred years, but it's been co-optive.

00:19:35.000 We lost our way, just like the education industrial complex and the military industrial complex.

00:19:39.000 These industries that have done a lot of good are completely losing their way.

00:19:44.000 And I think Russell, when you talk about optimistic or not, I'm optimistic that people are waking up, listening to you and others, but these are existential threats.

00:19:55.000 If we let ourselves continue to get sicker, more depressed, more infertile, fatter, while bankrupting the country, that is the top threat to America, in my opinion, if you just look at the math.

00:20:08.000 Yeah, you coined, or at least you used the phrase, chronic disease, industrial complex.

00:20:13.000 And I suppose what was indicated in your last answer is we have a kind of broken psychopathic metric

00:20:19.000 by which we measure our country's success as much as you might describe and outline

00:20:23.000 the terrifying statistics, the diabetes, the infertility, even the more diffuse and difficult to measure

00:20:33.000 sorrow and despair that I sense is increasing across the world, those are the harder things, I guess,

00:20:39.000 to get accurate metrics on, referring as they do to people's subjective inner experience.

00:20:46.000 It seems that if that cannot be opposed, We're in serious trouble.

00:20:51.000 And, you know, using the phrase industrial complex seems right because, you know, we've brought into play already the idea that it's beneficial, of course, for the food industry, because whilst it might be creating decline, it's also generating profit and addiction.

00:21:05.000 And an addict is a customer for life.

00:21:07.000 The pharmaceutical industry is benefiting from it.

00:21:10.000 One sense is that their legacy media are tied into these systems financially and ideologically in some way.

00:21:16.000 the state benefits from passive and consuming citizens.

00:21:20.000 It's a very difficult thing to imagine breaking down, isn't it, Callie?

00:21:26.000 And it requires probably, in essence, firstly, the recognition of the sanctity of the individual,

00:21:33.000 the duty of the individual to awaken, and then some kind of organisation.

00:21:37.000 Yeah, I had two moments in the past couple years that were powerful for me.

00:21:46.000 One was early on during COVID when I hadn't really heard of Joe Rogan and there's just absolute vilification of the guy.

00:21:55.000 And I'm like, let me listen to this podcast.

00:21:58.000 I turn it on and it's just time after time.

00:22:01.000 He's talking about exercising.

00:22:02.000 He's talking about being a good person.

00:22:03.000 He's talking about eating good food.

00:22:05.000 He's talking about looking at the sun.

00:22:06.000 He's saying this is the basis of health.

00:22:08.000 And it was, it dawned on me.

00:22:09.000 It's like literally there's leaked emails from Dr. Fauci saying he's the number one threat in America, this guy.

00:22:14.000 Who's on the podcast saying, basically, you know, it's not necessarily all health is a pharmaceutical issue.

00:22:21.000 It's almost a spiritual crisis we have where we need to take matters into our own hands.

00:22:25.000 And then, Russell, quite frankly, at the community festival with you, I have never been surrounded by more positivity.

00:22:32.000 By people working on improving their lives, by people talking about their recovery journeys, by many speakers talking, you know, not in a mean way, but just in an empowering way, how to break free of a lot of the institutions that are profiting from us being in fear and being addicted and being sick and being depressed.

00:22:50.000 And it was such a positive And I was literally saying to myself, I'm like, they're not going to let this stand, you know, this type of empowerment, this type of positivity, this is going to be attacked.

00:23:01.000 But these are the things that are seen, literally, and we have, again, leaked emails of this.

00:23:06.000 These are the things that are seen as massively disruptive.

00:23:10.000 The pharmaceutical companies, and this is, it's hard to wrap your head around, but they are the top funder of media.

00:23:18.000 They are one of the top funders of technology company advertising revenue, and they are the top funders of politicians, by far.

00:23:29.000 So just follow the money.

00:23:34.000 50% of mainstream media news funding comes from pharmaceutical companies.

00:23:39.000 When I worked for the pharmaceutical companies, we had a direct line to every editor in the country, and we paid their bills.

00:23:48.000 The pharmaceutical industry and the healthcare industry at large spends five times more on political donations and lobbying than the oil industry, right?

00:23:57.000 They are the people that pay the politicians' paychecks, frankly, the RNC and the DNC's paychecks.

00:24:03.000 Um, and then tech companies and then not even talking about research.

00:24:07.000 Obviously, it's the biggest funders of universities and academic research, more than 50% of the funding for Stanford Medical School and Harvard Medical School, such pharma.

00:24:15.000 So they control these organizations.

00:24:18.000 And I can tell you, this idea of patient empowerment, this idea of people asking the wrong questions.

00:24:26.000 It's very disruptive.

00:24:27.000 A kid that learns metabolically healthy habits and isn't on the bandwagon starting in high school

00:24:33.000 when they're on SSRIs, which are being prescribed widely to high schoolers,

00:24:36.000 on Adderall, which are 20% of high school seniors now, on statins, which are blowing up among high schoolers

00:24:43.000 because of the cholesterol issues, on an Ozympic now, if a kid isn't on that bandwagon,

00:24:48.000 they're losing out on millions of dollars for the pharmaceutical industries.

00:24:51.000 So this is serious business.

00:24:53.000 And I saw it.

00:24:57.000 These companies know how to attack and how to attack dirty.

00:25:03.000 Yeah, you're describing an extraordinary amount of power.

00:25:06.000 Thank you for your kind comments about community.

00:25:08.000 I felt the same way, and obviously the recent attacks on me have been at points overwhelming and terrifying, and there are ways in which I've made myself vulnerable because of the, as I've described, the promiscuity in my past.

00:25:26.000 But when I recently discovered that Moderna in particular were Spying on me and hiring FBI agents.

00:25:36.000 It's difficult not to see some kind of connection between the type of power that you've described and attempts to just remove voices that are anti-establishment by whatever means are available.

00:25:51.000 It seems like that to me.

00:25:52.000 Do you know much about Moderna's projects that seem to Absolutely.

00:25:56.000 This is just a company that's meant to be making medicine.

00:25:59.000 How do you go from making medicine to employing former FBI operatives, to spying on people, to even having an agenda of that nature?

00:26:06.000 When did it become so weaponised?

00:26:11.000 Well, it started becoming weaponized when this became the largest industry in the country.

00:26:15.000 Again, going back to talking to a Harvard obesity doctor off the record, she said she does feel uncomfortable with the wide prescription of Ozempic, but if they stop having obese people and more people don't get sick and more people don't get in their clinics as lifetime patients, she'll lose her job and she'll have to lay off a bunch of people in the clinic they just built.

00:26:32.000 This is the incentive and it's an invisible hand that leads some bad people but a lot of good people to do things that are really not great.

00:26:41.000 On the Moderna front, and Li Feng has been a champion on this, you know, I've been in touch with him and just incredible reporting.

00:26:49.000 This came out in the Twitter files.

00:26:51.000 This came out in other email leaks that I mentioned with Dr. Fauci and Freedom of Information requests.

00:26:57.000 But I think what's happening, and I saw this inside the room with Pharma, there's an idea that they are on the leading edge of helping humanity.

00:27:08.000 And they've convinced themselves that the American people are stupid, that they need these drugs, that there's dark forces out there that are That are denigrating science, and they are science, remember Dr. Fauci, who's the greatest funder of the pharmaceutical industrial complex in American history over 40 years at his perch doled out hundreds of billions of dollars in grants to pharmaceutical companies and was really the top of the pyramid there.

00:27:39.000 I said, I am science.

00:27:40.000 So they see themselves as science.

00:27:43.000 And what they've been able to do, right, is because they're the largest funder of media, and because they're the largest funder of tech companies, to many degrees, Twitter back in the heyday, and because they're the largest funder of politicians, they have those organizations as their referees.

00:27:58.000 So the media used to be a skeptical entity.

00:28:01.000 The media, the government, frankly, used to be looking out for us, very trusted, up until the last generation.

00:28:07.000 These industries, these organizations that really control a lot of our lives, have moved from an oversight role to a referee role.

00:28:16.000 They shut down anyone, censor everyone, threaten people, frankly, sometimes with legal action, certainly with banning and a lot of underhanded tactics to destroy people's reputation.

00:28:30.000 They play referee.

00:28:33.000 Um, where you can't ask any questions.

00:28:36.000 And I'm not a full anti-pharma guy even, but, but I do think at the point you've been making, the point Joe Rogan's been making, the point a lot of people are making, this is a small part, it's a small part of the equation, right?

00:28:48.000 Our metabolic health, chronic disease crisis, where nine out of ten killers of Americans today are directly tied to food and would be eliminated Essentially, if we cut those three ingredients I mentioned out of our diet, if we have a national reckoning on more metabolically healthy habits, frankly like they have in Japan where they live seven years older than us, and have five times lower rate of obesity, like this can happen if you have a national culture of health.

00:29:13.000 Um, but, but, but they see that as a threat, um, and they see and they've convinced themselves that they're right, that they're doing the right things, that these pharmaceutical products are, you know, God's great gift to the country.

00:29:26.000 And if you've convinced yourself of that and have all of the people in media and government saying that you're right because you paid them off, Then any means necessary makes sense.

00:29:35.000 If you're fighting really for science and if you're fighting for the, you know, saving the country in their minds, then hiring FBI agents to do investigations to root out misinformation when president the president right now another You know, leaders are saying misinformation is the greatest threat to country.

00:29:52.000 They injustify the means there.

00:29:55.000 So definitely they do justify it in their heads.

00:29:58.000 And if you justify that you're fighting for civilization, fighting for science, then they injustify the means.

00:30:05.000 Yes, and you said that the power reaches into academia, it reaches into the medical profession.

00:30:12.000 With Lee Fang's excellent article, he talked about 45,000 medical professionals receiving coaching and training.

00:30:19.000 And when you outlined the amount of expenditure by the pharmaceutical industry and the influence,

00:30:24.000 whether that's political or through TV advertising, is not as insignificant, and academic research,

00:30:31.000 it's not an insignificant amount of power that we're describing.

00:30:34.000 These power centers obviously are what determine outcomes and direction, and one of the trends

00:30:41.000 that it seems that we're experiencing is that what globalist, and these words that we use a lot in these spaces,

00:30:48.000 like globalism and corporatism, what it feels like it comes down to

00:30:53.000 is the ability to control your life, or even your nation's sovereignty is moving away

00:30:59.000 from the institutions that were once built to, as you say, serve the people to these new organisations and

00:31:06.000 institutions that are you know truly global whether that's the WHO and and and

00:31:13.000 and I think it's worth for a moment looking at the kind of figures that operate on

00:31:17.000 that global scale most notably in obviously Bill Gates who seems to be

00:31:23.000 moving into the agricultural industry in ways that are surprising.

00:31:27.000 Vandana Shiva has been explicit about the negative impact of Bill Gates' ideas and expenditure in India.

00:31:33.000 The damage that he's done in Africa, in African countries, is pretty well noted.

00:31:38.000 I wonder what you think.

00:31:40.000 It seems pretty obvious to me, when you're describing the influence of Big Food, their ability to control studies, their ability to manipulate Congress. Once you

00:31:49.000 also control agriculture, where would you ever intersect? Where would an individual or a

00:31:55.000 community ever just cut off and go, right, we're not part of this. We're going to grow our own food.

00:32:00.000 We're going to generate our own energy. We're going to exchange our own currency. We're

00:32:04.000 going to create our own systems.

00:32:05.000 We're opting out of this. Once you control food from its generation to its consumption

00:32:12.000 and all regulation around it, it seems very difficult that any of us will have an opportunity

00:32:16.000 to opt out at all. Yeah, I can't get into the, I think it'll be a dark road to go into

00:32:23.000 the psychology and the motivations of Bill Gates.

00:32:26.000 I would just say, you know, raising a son, this is not necessarily somebody to emulate.

00:32:30.000 He's not a healthy person.

00:32:32.000 He's not a... seems like a moral person.

00:32:34.000 I mean, His ex-wife has basically said explicitly the media hasn't followed up that he's done some very bad things with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:32:41.000 She said that to Gayle King.

00:32:43.000 She said you need to ask him questions.

00:32:44.000 The media has never asked him questions.

00:32:46.000 This is a guy that's good at making money, but has a lot of power.

00:32:51.000 So I just go to the motivations, Russell.

00:32:56.000 Ultra-processed food is much easier to control and much more profitable than a natural food.

00:33:02.000 And there's been a massive shift to ultra-processed food.

00:33:06.000 It's gone from 0% of our diet to close to 70% in the past 100 years.

00:33:11.000 And I really do think that has led obviously to a health disaster, an economic disaster, because our human capital is being destroyed.

00:33:21.000 But it's also to a degree, I think, a spiritual crisis because we were totally disaggregated from our land.

00:33:27.000 You know, an orange today, you need four oranges to get the nutrients that you had in one orange 50 years ago.

00:33:36.000 Our soil has been so depleted.

00:33:38.000 Right?

00:33:38.000 We've raped the soil so much that our food is like significantly less nutrient dense.

00:33:46.000 We're kind of causing this issue.

00:33:47.000 And when I look at Bill Gates, who's making millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars from literally lab grown meat, He's preaching fake meat.

00:33:57.000 He's preaching ultra processed food and denigrating the Gates Foundation is denigrating vegetables.

00:34:02.000 He recently, you know, said that anyone that says trees help reduce carbon, which is literally their function, isn't practicing good science because he has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in carbon scrubbers, machines, which are literally just basically trees.

00:34:19.000 So he's denigrating trees.

00:34:21.000 So I think there's a lot of money in this.

00:34:23.000 But what scares me is that that's going more of the same like technological progress and trying to create lab grown food and lab grown medical solutions.

00:34:36.000 to solve the issue that we're being poisoned by food is more of the same.

00:34:41.000 What we have to get back to, what I think the most important trend of the next 10 years is called regenerative agriculture.

00:34:49.000 Actually, if you don't have monocropping, you know what Bill Gates is pushing for, all this farmland is monocropping.

00:34:55.000 It's one crop in the field where you have to use a lot of pesticides, the glyphosate.

00:35:02.000 You need the glyphosate, you need the pesticides, because there's no biodiversity.

00:35:06.000 When cows were around the plants and animals are growing with the plants, that actually creates natural fertilizer and it creates natural pesticides and you don't need to spray the food with a bunch of crap.

00:35:17.000 Also, regenerative farming has higher crop outputs.

00:35:22.000 So what I would say is we're losing our way of using technology to create meat in the lab.

00:35:27.000 We need to use technology to actually figure out how to get back to basics, how to get back to regenerative methods of farming.

00:35:34.000 Maybe we can have robots or maybe we can have AI understand how to have better and better crop outputs with a more natural farming practice.

00:35:40.000 But we're just not going to out-hack this.

00:35:42.000 We're not going to out-hack getting sicker and sicker and sicker with creating more and more lab-grown food and more and more medical solutions.

00:35:50.000 That is taking us on the path to ruin.

00:35:53.000 So the best I can estimate, Russell, is that there's economic motivations here.

00:35:57.000 I mean, there might be some dark, you know, distrust of humanity.

00:36:00.000 Bill Gates has said, you know, he thinks we're overly populated.

00:36:04.000 I mean, you can go down roads there.

00:36:06.000 I can't get into the motivations, but I just know this is the wrong way to go.

00:36:11.000 We need to get back to basics.

00:36:13.000 One of the unquestioned ideologies that governs much activity on our planet is this idea of progress, that we are progressing, that we are on an upward trajectory.

00:36:22.000 And for many years, certainly in fields like medicine and technology, it's a story that's easy to tell.

00:36:27.000 But you alluded to something there, Kali, that's important, that we have found ourselves somehow subject to these fields of progress rather than deploying them for

00:36:42.000 utility.

00:36:44.000 The idea that we might use technology to facilitate a lifestyle judged by a different metric,

00:36:52.000 a kind of a rather more, not opaque really, but just less observable than money, material,

00:36:58.000 power and dominion.

00:36:59.000 It seems like one of the common themes when we're talking about progress and advance, it seems like, as you just described, that we're only willing to try to move forwards, hacking in the same direction, more and more mechanisation, more and more profitability.

00:37:14.000 There's no interest in the arcane, no interest in a kind of What is it to be human?

00:37:20.000 How did we live for many, many thousands of years?

00:37:22.000 What's encoded deep within us?

00:37:24.000 What are we expressing?

00:37:25.000 What is this inner mystery that we yet experience?

00:37:30.000 I'm not a Luddite.

00:37:32.000 I don't think there should be no technology, but we've got to ask what question we're trying to solve.

00:37:36.000 Poisoning kids and then injecting a synthetic material into their veins every single week for the rest of their lives to keep their obesity ostensibly in check by paralyzing their stomach and destroying their microbiome and their gut, which is ozempic, It seems somewhat Orwellian.

00:37:53.000 Again, you can ask questions of the technology.

00:37:57.000 The issue with regenerative farming is that it requires a lot of labor.

00:38:02.000 Could there be robotics?

00:38:03.000 Could there be AI to help actually get back to our biological needs of non-poisonous food?

00:38:09.000 So it depends what question you're asking, but I think what you get to is that when you look at the largest companies in the world, they profit when we are confused.

00:38:24.000 They profit when we're in fear.

00:38:25.000 They profit when they hijack our dopamine.

00:38:27.000 They don't profit when we're out in nature meditating.

00:38:31.000 You know, really understanding more about ourselves.

00:38:34.000 They don't profit when we're more connected to our food and to our habits.

00:38:38.000 Frankly, they profit by us being distracted.

00:38:41.000 There's a war for our attention.

00:38:42.000 There's a war for our dopamine and we're losing right now.

00:38:45.000 And I think this is all tied up because the one of the top sources of addiction.

00:38:50.000 I think dopamine is our addictive food system and it's very profitable and there's a lot of interest to keep that going.

00:38:59.000 And it's starting earlier and earlier.

00:39:01.000 I understand that 40% of baby food contains pesticides that might be harmful.

00:39:09.000 How do we become so disconnected from our own well-being that a sentence like that isn't from a kind of a sort of a DC villains manifesto but it's just sort of an ordinary statistic from the world we live in?

00:39:24.000 Well, I think it's helpful to break that down from my experience.

00:39:27.000 So you look at that statistic, it's like, where, where are people falling asleep at the switch?

00:39:31.000 How are we losing our moral way so much that we have literally poisoned baby formula, which we do?

00:39:39.000 Actually, and I saw this in D.C., the soybean farmers.

00:39:44.000 Soybeans are one of the most subsidized ingredients.

00:39:47.000 They're a cornerstone of ultra-processed food, and it makes soybean oil, which is actually the single most prominent fat used in the American diet, soybean oil.

00:40:00.000 People don't even know this term, but if you look at anything you're eating, you'll see soybean oil as one of the ingredients.

00:40:05.000 They have a very powerful lobbying group, and they did a lot of fake research and actually lobbied Congress to require seed oils, to require soybean oil, which often has a lot of glyphosate and other neurotoxins in it because it's from crops that are sprayed with a lot of neurotoxins.

00:40:28.000 That's required by law in baby formula in the United States.

00:40:32.000 And that is why you have a massive black market of people illegally importing baby formula from Europe.

00:40:42.000 So that, again, you look at the intentions here.

00:40:46.000 Okay, the soybean lobbyists, they did a good job.

00:40:48.000 They did a good job there.

00:40:49.000 They got that in.

00:40:50.000 They had some bogus research saying that the fats from soybean oil were better than other types of fats.

00:40:55.000 They got that in there.

00:40:57.000 Okay?

00:40:58.000 The breakdown, again, the devil's bargain, can't emphasize this enough, is where were the medical leaders?

00:41:04.000 Where were the medical leaders, the head of the NIH, the heads of med schools, the heads of the institutions that we trust?

00:41:13.000 Well, they're on the USDA nutrition panel, and 95% of the USDA nutrition panel is directly paid for by processed food companies.

00:41:22.000 by soybean manufacturers, by pharma, 95%.

00:41:29.000 So literally the people that you have creating the nutritional guidelines and overseeing our nutrition standards are paid for by those exact people.

00:41:37.000 So that's where I think the moral blindness really reigns, is that in any world, if we had the USDA saying this is wrong on the baby formula, if we had Dr. Fauci saying that, We would stop that.

00:41:51.000 When medical leaders say something, we listen.

00:41:53.000 We listened to the Surgeon General in the 1980s.

00:41:55.000 Smoking rates plummeted when they finally talked out about smoking.

00:41:59.000 Frankly, we listened to Dr. Fauci when he said to get the COVID vaccine, more than 90% of people got it.

00:42:03.000 So we do listen.

00:42:04.000 We listened in the 1990s when the government told us to eat more carbs and sugar and the food pyramid, which led to disaster.

00:42:13.000 So if If the medical leader spoke out, and then a lot of times I hear from regulators, they're like, well, that's going to be too expensive to tell everyone to eat organic.

00:42:22.000 That's going to be too difficult.

00:42:24.000 That's not their job.

00:42:25.000 Their job is not to worry about the policy.

00:42:28.000 The medical leader's job is to follow the science.

00:42:31.000 Right now, we tell the kids, two-year-olds, that 10% of their diet could be added sugar because of the heavy lobbying of the sugar industry to the people making the nutrition guidelines.

00:42:41.000 That should be zero, okay?

00:42:43.000 It is not the regulator's job to think about public policy.

00:42:47.000 The health industry, the health leaders, need to say the truth.

00:42:50.000 That we should not be putting seed oils in baby formula that's covered in GMOs.

00:42:55.000 That we should not be recommending sugar to two-year-olds.

00:42:59.000 And then policymakers can do what they will of that.

00:43:02.000 But the breakdown here is that the medical leaders are asleep at the switch and corrupted themselves.

00:43:08.000 I can see that with the degree of education that you've accumulated and your ability to communicate and your great skill at tying together data with the outcomes and how it's come about systemically, your inside experience and your obvious passion, that if enough people were exposed to what you were saying, It'll be very, very difficult, I think, to not make the changes that you're immediately suggesting, many of which sound like simple common sense.

00:43:40.000 Feed children healthy food that's grown or was raised near where they are to, wherever possible, use technology and science to support nature, combating anomalies within nature only when necessary and ensure that our political institutions are

00:44:01.000 free from the influence of financial interests that appear to benefit in ways that are completely at odds

00:44:09.000 with our individual and collective human experience. So you can see how, you know, I would

00:44:15.000 imagine in time, Callie, the sort of information that you're conveying will be subject

00:44:19.000 to censure, that it'll be difficult for you to... Do you get to communicate this sort

00:44:24.000 of stuff within what might be called legacy or mainstream media.

00:44:29.000 Have you received pushback yourself?

00:44:31.000 Have you been attacked?

00:44:34.000 Oh yeah, so...

00:44:36.000 I have friends at the mainstream media used to work in DC and a lot of my friends went into, you know, the big guys that we all know.

00:44:44.000 And I've been told explicitly that negative stories on the pharmaceutical industry and food are essentially off limits.

00:44:53.000 You've got to ask, right, if you really analyze what's happening in America, and look at 25% of teens having fatty liver disease, 33% having prediabetes, you know, the just explosions of autoimmune conditions, allergies, autism, early rates of cancer, it's just everything's going up among kids.

00:45:13.000 It's a huge problem.

00:45:14.000 It's going to bankrupt the country.

00:45:16.000 Almost zero Curiosity about that on the mainstream media.

00:45:20.000 Why?

00:45:21.000 Because their largest funder, the industry that funds 50% of all of their bills, profits from those dynamics happening and actually accepts money.

00:45:32.000 The American Diabetes Association accepts money from Coke.

00:45:34.000 They're actually really financially connected.

00:45:37.000 So there is an absolute I mean, you send it to me if you see CNN or MSNBC, a really interesting negative story.

00:45:50.000 You know, I think there's some rare exceptions.

00:45:52.000 Anahad O'Connor at the Washington Post exposed recently that food companies were secretly paying nutritionists on TikTok.

00:46:00.000 To promote ultra-processed food and denigrate natural food.

00:46:05.000 Hidden payments is an FTC violation.

00:46:07.000 Now there's congressional investigations and that.

00:46:07.000 Millions of dollars.

00:46:09.000 So there is some good reporting.

00:46:10.000 Lee Fang.

00:46:11.000 But getting to Lee Fang and what's happening, the independent media revolution, I think, is on par of one of the biggest trends in American history.

00:46:20.000 I think it's like, you know, Ben Franklin level and a real shift of how media and communication is happening.

00:46:28.000 We've gone from a situation where there were a limited amount of networks completely funded by the industrial complexes to a more disaggregated where the biggest eyeballs and ears are tied to people that have more of an independent voice.

00:46:45.000 This is extremely disruptive.

00:46:48.000 These are the folks like you that are hosting these conversations, that are really asking core questions about society, about why so many kids are getting sick.

00:46:57.000 And there's absolute, almost violent opposition to what's happening, using every single tool in the book.

00:47:07.000 So am I worried?

00:47:10.000 You know, Russell, I don't know.

00:47:12.000 I look at my kid and, honestly, we talked about my mom who died, I think, unnecessarily from a metabolic condition.

00:47:18.000 I feel really good about pushing this forward.

00:47:20.000 I think I'm on the right side of history.

00:47:23.000 But there are dark forces at play here.

00:47:26.000 And I think if our message can continue getting out, it is extremely economically disruptive.

00:47:31.000 But that gives me meaning.

00:47:33.000 And I'll tell you, I think a lot of people are waking up, and I think if we keep chipping away, we're going to change society.

00:47:44.000 But yeah, there's a lot of opposition.

00:47:46.000 Wow, Kali.

00:47:47.000 Thank you so much for joining us today.

00:47:49.000 Thank you for that beautiful summary, and thank you once again for your optimism.

00:47:54.000 Almost everything you've said, I've thought, oh, this needs to be broke up, put into a smaller clip, and put out there, because I think you're arming people with information that could change their lives.

00:48:03.000 And based on what you've said about your recent trip to DC, you're having an impact in places that can make a meaningful difference.

00:48:09.000 Thank you so much for the work that you're doing, Kali, and thanks again for coming on.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - January 05, 2024

Calley Means - on Big Pharma, Ultra-Processed Foods & Ozempic For Kids

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