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00:00:01.000Thanks for watching Stay Free with Russell Brand.
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00:00:07.000It's Friday, which is the best day of the week because we, every Friday, have an in-depth conversation with free thinkers, radicals, disruptors, campaigners and philosophers.
00:00:17.000Today, I'll be speaking with Callie Means, a whistleblower and activist who exposes corruption in big food and pharma.
00:00:24.000When we had him on the show before, Just for a guess, for 20 minutes our video went viral and I couldn't personally believe the depth of depravity, corruption and hypocrisy within Big Food.
00:00:38.000Those of you that are watching us live, hit us up in the comments, particularly on locals.
00:00:42.000We want to hear your comments and questions and let me know what you think I should be asking Callie.
00:00:47.000Last time he told us about how a BCE drugs are being irresponsibly marketed that might likely forge lifelong dependency, that that's part of their appeal and part of what they're explicitly marketing.
00:01:00.000Today he'll be talking to us about using the use of fear to weaponize the pharmaceutical industry, the rigged system of mental health, and once we click over to being exclusively on Rumble, I'm going to be talking to Calli about a story that I can't even begin to describe to you.
00:01:17.000It's so Obscure, corrupt, and unusual.
00:02:44.000She was looking over a patient six years into residency, and she's a head and neck surgeon, cutting open their sinuses.
00:02:52.000And she realized that patient was under her knife six months before.
00:02:56.000And she realized that she had no idea why that patient had this recurring inflammation.
00:03:03.000And she actually, as one of the most credentialed, educated, accomplished surgeons in the country, did not know why the patients under her knife were sick.
00:03:10.000And tying that back, Stanford Med School, Harvard Med School, top med schools in this country, more than 50% of their money touches pharma somehow.
00:04:11.000My mom was one of 50% of Americans who has prediabetes or diabetes.
00:04:15.000It's highly correlated, many forms of cancer.
00:04:17.000Dementia, Alzheimer's is now called type 3 diabetes.
00:04:20.000And what my sister and I are really on the warpath is this simple thesis, which is that we're being lied to.
00:04:27.000Um, what's happening, um, where, you know, 15% of kids have fatty liver disease, 25% of kids have prediabetes or diabetes, you know, we're being brought to our knees by these sicknesses and mental, you know, and you can't say that what's going on with our body isn't going on in our brains.
00:04:54.000There's one issue above all other, and we're feeding ourselves poison.
00:04:58.000Our kids are not being—kids are born where they want to move.
00:05:01.000They're being put on desks without sun.
00:05:04.000These are simple metabolic things where we're biologically just destroying ourselves, and we're really on the warpath to try to simplify how we think about science, because as we're talking about, it's due to a very rigged system.
00:05:16.000We're confused due to a rigged system.
00:05:18.000When you say something like we're being poisoned Callie, that sounds incredibly incendiary.
00:05:25.000Sorry, I should pass on my sympathies about the story about your mother's pretty disturbing and stuff.
00:05:30.000But I wanted to say that that's a very provocative thing to say.
00:05:36.000Now I know that big Big food spend a lot of money on lobbying and it appears that the relationship between big food and big pharma is a mutually beneficial one.
00:05:49.000That the kind of food that we're eating is making us sick.
00:05:53.000But I don't want to be hysterical or reductive, maybe too late for that now, because I'd like to be reassured Kelly, that you have plain evidence that we're eating food that is bad for us, that is causing us diseases that are preventable, that there are substances in our food.
00:06:11.000In fact, there is an overview around the type of diet that we should have that's irresponsible and it requires re-evaluation.
00:06:19.000I know that this is your life's work, and in a sense, given your relationship with your sister, part of your family's But can you explain to me, using actual examples, how there is a kind of large-scale poisoning of the American people that's leading to preventable illnesses and death?
00:06:47.000I'm also a new dad, and that's highly motivating to me.
00:06:51.000And let's just look at the pure economics of a sick child, okay?
00:06:55.000So, let's think about a 15-year-old, lower-income child, okay?
00:07:00.000And the dirty secret, and just from purely financially speaking, that child in America is an absolute goldmine, because that child probably has prediabetes, which is from ultra-processed food, probably has obesity, probably has high cholesterol, probably has high blood pressure.
00:07:30.000The budget is greater than the Defense Department.
00:07:33.000This is the healthcare for lower-income folks.
00:07:36.000And a sick kid with chronic conditions, what does that mean?
00:07:39.000The kid's not going to die, but for the rest of their life, they need a statin for their cholesterol.
00:07:45.000They need metformin and insulin for their diabetes.
00:07:48.000They need, inevitably, Adderall, which 15% of kids are, for their ADHD.
00:07:51.000They need Ambien because they're going to have sleep problems from all these issues.
00:07:54.000They're going to need opioids because they're going to be in chronic pain.
00:07:57.000They're going to inevitably have fertility issues.
00:07:59.000Male sperm counts down 50%, so they're going to need medication for that.
00:08:02.000They're inevitably going to have erectile dysfunction, which is just constrainment of the blood vessels, which is basically the same thing as heart disease.
00:08:08.000They're going to be on all these pills, right?
00:08:12.000Oh, we're treating that person, right?
00:08:13.000What's bankrupting the United States right now, far greater than defense, far greater than any other line item, Is these people that get sick early, and they're treated, okay?
00:08:24.000So the medical system looks at that, and says, you know, that kid is going to go to six different doctors.
00:08:31.000As I said, my sister, she didn't learn about the overall metabolic health, about how ultra-processed food hurts our cells, and shows up in all of those symptoms.
00:08:53.000That child who's going to have a ton of comorbidities is very profitable.
00:08:57.000And there's a lot of incentives to make this complicated.
00:09:00.000There's a lot of incentives to send that kid to six different doctors, to a psychologist for that SSRI, to a neurologist for the ADHD medication, for the cardiologist for the heart disease.
00:09:51.000Highly processed grains, which didn't exist until 1900, which is where you take the fiber off, it's shelf-stable, no nutrition, and then because the fiber's out, it's a glucose bomb.
00:10:00.000And then, this is important, seed oils.
00:10:02.000Seed oils are the top source of American fat right now.
00:10:05.000These were created by John Rockefeller in the early 1900s as an industrial byproduct from oil production.
00:10:12.000Our main source of fat, when you look at the label, canola oil, soybean oil, this is an industrial byproduct that's much cheaper than good fats like olive oil, avocado oil, ghee, grass-fed butter, things like that.
00:11:18.000I was thinking then, Callie, about how like in sort of pre-civilised, as they were known, human cultures, we would totemise the plants that we required in order to survive, or the animals that we hunted in order to survive.
00:11:34.000They would be Sacred and divine, and we would have an explicitly sacred, if such a thing is possible, relationship with them.
00:11:45.000Now that we live in these vast monocultures, where animals are slaughtered en masse, where crops are grown en masse and highly processed, we have become like the food that we eat.
00:12:01.000When you sort of spoke about that, you know, a 15 year old child is a sickly gold mine that could be latched onto, lashed up and profited from.
00:12:11.000I can see how we are being farmed, how we have become a type of commodity And to hear that just with the removal of those three things, sugar, seed oil and highly processed grain, we could meaningfully alter the health of our populations.
00:12:28.000It seems to me that this is the type of legislation that should be immediately passed.
00:12:33.000That our farming practices ought to change immediately.
00:12:38.000That if government is good for anything, good for that. But because what you're describing is so
00:12:44.000radical, Kali, and because today you're meeting with people in Congress, and obviously I wouldn't
00:12:49.000expect you to tell me anything that's private, what concerns me is that what we tend to
00:12:55.000accept are minor reforms, small victories, when what's clearly required here is a
00:13:02.000revolution. Those kind of interests with that kind of lobbying money, they're not going to go
00:13:08.000without a fight. That's serious power.
00:13:10.000You're saying that they spend more money than the defence industry, they're more profitable
00:13:15.000than the defence industry. Am I fudging that? If so, that's a very powerful interest to
00:13:20.000go up against. How are we going to do it? What the hell are you doing in Congress? And
00:13:26.000in your view, what kind of legislation should be passed to alter this terrible, deadly trajectory?
00:13:33.000No, you're absolutely right about that stat, Russell, and shockingly, and this is just, I can't even wrap my head around, healthcare is the largest and the fastest growing industry in the United States, producing worse outcomes.
00:13:44.000Usually innovation, you know, I'm an entrepreneur in tech, usually innovation is lower cost, better outcomes.
00:13:50.000Healthcare is higher cost, worst outcomes.
00:13:52.000And it's growing again, faster than any other industry.
00:13:55.000I think we gloss our eyes over at the rate of healthcare costs in the US
00:13:58.000and the stats are set a lot, but it's gonna be 40% of GDP in 15 years
00:14:16.000There's definitely systemic issues, and let's talk about that right now.
00:14:18.000And then I think your viewers, and it's just amazing, a huge diversity of people are waking up and taking more personal empowerment, because it's got to be a bottom-up revolution.
00:14:26.000But I want to make some points on the top down, because I think this is really important.
00:14:31.000A lot of people throw up their hands and say, well, it's hard to diet.
00:15:15.000Everyone needs, and I will say, politicians I think are waking up to this.
00:15:19.000It's not about slightly altering Medicare Part D. It's not about going into page 300 in the Medicaid law.
00:15:25.000It is understanding that the problem with healthcare is that every single lever that touches our health profits off people being sick and loses money when they're healthy.
00:15:33.000The problem is, healthcare is the most employed industry in the country, and everyone from a pharma company to a hospital to a medical school, they make more money when more people are sick, which is exactly what's happening.
00:15:43.000Even insurance companies, which people think should want to save money, actually now, they can only take a 15% profit margin, and by law, in Obamacare, can actually raise premiums to get that 15%.
00:15:55.000So they actually, since they're capped at 15%, want costs to grow, which is exactly what's happened in the past decade.
00:16:00.000All that's happened is people get sicker, costs grow, and insurance company revenues go up.
00:16:05.000So we have to realize that one fact, and it's interesting.
00:16:07.000A lot of members of Congress care about this issue.
00:16:09.000A lot of them want to go up against their lobbyists, but actually they don't even understand the simple fact.
00:16:19.000The most shameful policy in America, in my opinion, the most shining example of corporate cronyism, really evil towards kids, is the fact that the USDA, the most influential health organization and food organization in the country, and probably the world, They recommend 10% added sugar for two-year-olds and up.
00:16:40.000They, in the USDA Federal Nutrition Guidelines, guide up to 10% added sugar for an American two years and up.
00:17:14.00095% of the folks in 2020 who made the nutritional guidelines
00:17:19.000had a conflict of interest directly paid by food and/or pharma companies.
00:17:23.000And now in 2025, in the administration, for President Biden on the U.S.
00:17:29.000updated nutrition guidelines, Dr. Fatima Stanford, who you've talked about, the Harvard obesity doctor who said obesity is genetic and not the result of food.
00:17:36.000You can't make this up, but she is literally on the nutrition guidelines, making guidelines not only for the U.S., but that impacts the world, saying sugar, inevitably she will not reduce the sugar.
00:17:47.000So the key point here, Russell, is that for better or worse, Americans listen to medical authorities.
00:17:54.000You know, when the Surgeon General in the 1980s said smoking was bad, you know, many years too late, smoking plummeted.
00:18:02.000You know, Philip Morris at the time was one of the five largest companies in the world when that Surgeon General's report came out.
00:18:08.000You know, in the 1990s, we remember the food pyramid which said, you know, eat more carbs, Carb consumption went up 20% in America.
00:18:15.000And then for better or worse, when Dr. Fauci told Americans to get the vaccine, I think it's close to 90% of people got one of the vaccines.
00:18:22.000People listen to what authorities say for better or worse.
00:18:26.000There should be no guidance for sugar.
00:18:28.000We do not guide kids that they should have a certain range of cigarettes or alcohol.
00:18:35.000The only difference is that sugar... I mean, am I in a bizarre world?
00:18:39.000Are we not being brought to our knees by metabolic dysfunction caused chiefly by sugar?
00:18:44.000I don't think anyone even disagrees with that.
00:18:46.000So, why the hell are we recommending that?
00:18:50.000Just one other thing I'd say, getting to the food stamp issue and Coke, when I worked for them.
00:18:56.000There is a systematic, like the cigarette companies, just a systematic rigging of the institution of trust.
00:19:01.000Coke and processed food companies spend 11 times more nutritional research than the NIH.
00:19:06.000In the past two years, there was 50,000 nutrition studies done, peer-reviewed nutrition studies.
00:19:13.000Again, meeting with members of Congress today.
00:19:15.000They have lobbies in their office every single day handing them a different study.
00:19:19.000The only goal of the studies is to confuse the congressmen.
00:19:22.000And I'll just close with this one point here.
00:19:25.000The policy solution is just to eliminate all nutrition studies.
00:19:28.000We are the only animal in the world that has systematic obesity, that has systematic depression, that has systematic diabetes, obesity, other metabolic issues.
00:19:40.000You don't have lions and giraffes in the wild dealing with systematic depression, systematic obesity.
00:19:45.000The only other animals besides us are ones we've domesticated.
00:19:48.000A wolf in the wild, right, or some kind of A derivative of a dog in the wild has 0% obesity rate, close to 0% cancer rate.
00:19:57.000Domesticated dogs, which eat our own crap and the processed crap we make, have more than a 50% cancer rate.
00:20:07.000And the only difference between us and other animals is we have experts telling kids to sit in desks all day in sunless rooms not moving when they're made to move, you know, learning from the teacher.
00:20:40.000So if you're watching this on YouTube now, there's a link in the description.
00:20:44.000You have to click over to watch this on Rumble because their commitment to free speech means that we can discuss Anti-establishment, anti-corporate interest that simply cannot be discussed on YouTube.
00:20:57.000I was just thinking when you were speaking, Callie, that during the pandemic, I remember that Joe Rogan got into trouble for sort of saying, we should be exercising and eating well and...
00:21:08.000That was treated as a sort of a controversial statement and I'm thinking too of Terence McKenna's famous edict that the culture is not your friend and I think that listening to you is a I've never really heard it so clearly demonstrated that The culture is set up to keep you distracted, keep you fed on bad food, governed by bad interests, consuming bad products and bad ideas continually, making you feel disenfranchised, lazy, lethargic, frankly sick.
00:21:46.000We're being made to physically sick by the food that we eat.
00:21:50.000When you said that thing about sugar, that an awakened and conscious government, an awakened and conscious system, would say, "Listen,
00:21:58.000we didn't know before, but we know now we shouldn't eat sugar, and I know you all
00:22:03.000love it, you poor bastards, because it's delicious and fantastic, and you're addicted
00:22:08.000to it now, but we're going to have to say you shouldn't be eating it, and for... I'm
00:22:12.000not talking about banning it, because I guess people are free, but certainly it should be
00:22:17.000made plain that you ought not be eating these foods." You certainly shouldn't have health
00:22:26.000And like you said, Pat, the way that this is perpetuated is because financial interests,
00:22:31.000in this case from Big Food, are able to...
00:22:34.000Create the framing and flood the space with studies that they pay for, that obfuscate and confuse the reality, so that, you know, someone like- I consider myself to be a relatively smart, switched-on person.
00:22:49.000I literally put sugar in my tea and stuff.
00:22:52.000I let my kids eat chocolate, you know, like I- all day long, though, so that, you know, I- Use it to palliate them and calm them, and I know that it's wrong, and I guess now at least I can, you know, as an individually free person, start to feed my children and myself differently, and I supposedly, you know, continue to do what you're doing to convey this type of messaging openly, so at least people know that they've got the information.
00:23:21.000Yeah, Russell, just looking at the sign behind you, stay free, and I think that's the key thing.
00:23:28.000Freedom is great, and I'm a libertarian.
00:23:31.000I think we should not be banning cigarettes, not be banning alcohol, not be banning marijuana, not be banning sugar.
00:23:38.000It's just complete and utter rigging of the system and corruption.
00:23:41.000To be paying, and if you add it up, the food stamps and the other government programs, school lunches, it's over a hundred billion dollars literally signing the bill for our own societal, truly societal destruction.
00:23:53.000And we are becoming a non-competitive society.
00:23:55.000Male sperm count is down 50% in a generation.
00:23:59.000Female and personal PCOS is skyrocketing.
00:24:02.000It's at 25% by some estimates of women.
00:24:05.000Our bodies, our core evolutionary functions are systematically breaking down and And it's very, very serious.
00:24:11.000Look at a public space in America where 80% of people are overweight or obese.
00:24:41.000Every single... I've actually done audits of this.
00:24:44.000If you go to a gas station or you go to where you buy food, every single item in eyesight He has two, usually three of those unholy trinity of ingredients I said.
00:24:53.000I mean, these are not things that we should be normally eating.
00:24:56.000So you brought up a couple of good points.
00:24:58.000So just one quick thing on the Joe Rogan thing, and I think this is important.
00:25:03.000This is not hyperbole, that in 2021 and 2020, when we were facing like the clearest demonstration yet that our metabolic health is such an important aspect, people that had good metabolic health, People that exercised, people that ate correctly, had almost a 0% chance of dying of COVID, okay?
00:25:25.000And what an amazing example to us, you know, that we could really have a national effort to get our country a little bit more competitive.
00:25:35.000And really cure the underlying cause of not only COVID deaths, but eight of the ten leading causes of American death.
00:25:42.000Eight of the ten leading causes of American death are chronic conditions.
00:26:12.000That is an extremely disruptive message.
00:26:15.000And you look at Dr. Fauci, I'll just say it, right?
00:26:19.000He oversaw, for the past 40 years, not only infectious disease, but autoimmune conditions, had a lot of oversight into funding for chronic conditions.
00:26:27.000Under his watch, Chronic conditions have gone from around 10% of the population, they're at 60, on the road to 70%.
00:26:36.000Autoimmune conditions, which are highly related to food, are off the charts.
00:26:40.000Nowhere was Dr. Fauci screaming at the top of his lungs that we need to cut soda from food stamps, that we need to have a national policy, and just think about the oxygen and the money that was spent to get America to take a pharmaceutical product.
00:26:57.000What if those trillions of dollars that we invested and attention from the leaders of health were around simple things like really stopping being a gluttonous society, being healthy, moving?
00:27:09.000You know, a baby born Loves to move, loves to look at the sun, has a predisposition to natural food.
00:27:15.000You know, Russell, I really think this is actually a spiritual crisis that we're in.
00:27:19.000We're getting away from our core, as you said, just understanding.
00:27:23.000It's so simple, but understanding what's going into our bodies.
00:27:30.000But looking at a baby, And thinking about what actually is the highest leveraged things we can do for a citizen of this country, it's having more awe and understanding for the interconnectedness and basic metabolic habits that truly determine our happiness.
00:27:45.000And there's actually, as you allude to, a way we can, from a public policy perspective, have leaders talk about that and shift money not going, you know, 95% of healthcare spending to drugs and interventions once people are sick, but shift it Not just to preventative.
00:28:01.000People put food in a preventative box.
00:28:03.000Actually, food can reverse most conditions better than any other.
00:28:05.000You know, if you want to reverse diabetes, heart disease, dementia, there's groundbreaking studies showing the reversal of dementia and other brain issues like schizophrenia.
00:28:43.000But but I think a lot of people waking up.
00:28:45.000Yeah, I think a lot of people are waking up to discuss this in more depth, at more length, and in particular I want to ask you about a Zen pic we're going to have to transfer to being exclusively live on Rumble right now, so join us over there because I'm going to be asking Calli about how drug companies are I don't even want to say on YouTube, but it's that they're using very unusual means to promote particular drugs.
00:29:08.000So if you're watching this on YouTube, join us over on Rumble now, where the entire conversation is available.
00:29:15.000Kelly, what's this about a Zempik being... a Zempik, how it's being marketed irresponsibly, and also, in particular, I was told that drug companies are using race to sell drugs.
00:29:29.000Can you tell me a little bit about that, please?
00:29:32.000Yeah, I've had some folks who I used to work with who are actually working for Ozempic now giving me some reports, and this was actually just reported in the news outlets, and I'm happy to say there's a lot of appetite for congressional investigation.
00:29:45.000So, yeah, Russell, is it okay if I give kind of a quick overview of Ozempic?
00:29:49.000I know you talked about it with Joe Rogan, and, you know, I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about this.
00:29:54.000I think it's a perfect case study, so cool to kind of give a top-down example of how this really, yeah.
00:30:00.000So, as I mentioned, and this is really important to understand, we are spending multiples more on healthcare and government healthcare in the U.S.
00:30:17.000If Ozepic is approved, it will double, double the amount that Medicaid and Medicare, our two largest healthcare programs in the United States, spend on drugs.
00:30:28.000And we're already at breaking our budget because of healthcare.
00:30:33.000Ozempic is targeting 80% of the American people.
00:30:38.00080% of the American people are overweight or obese.
00:30:42.000And in America, once something's defined as a disease, you can't have the legislatures or lawmakers dictate what a doctor does.
00:30:52.000You have some of this in Europe, but when Obama tried to have any type of approval of what a doctor can do, it's like, oh no, Dr. Obama can't intercede with a patient and a doctor.
00:31:01.000So once it's approved as a disease, once this drug's approved, it's free reign.
00:31:37.000Okay, so there's an all-out battle right now to define obesity as a disease, and that goes to Fatima Stanford, who we talked about, the head obesity doctor at Harvard, goes on 60 Minutes, and she says, and this is key, she says Americans have no control over obesity.
00:31:56.000She said it's not related to diet, and it's not related to movement, it's just something people are unlucky to get through genetics.
00:32:03.000That's key, because once something is defined as a disease, You can prescribe something for it.
00:32:08.000And interestingly, and this is the new news, we talked about the NAACP and this is, this is evil.
00:32:15.000The NAACP, I helped steer money to them for Coke for the NAACP to vociferously argue that parents who were concerned about their kids drinking too much Coke, which was paid for on food stamps, were racist.
00:32:25.000And there was New York Times reporting the time and weaponized race to keep Coke on food stamps.
00:34:39.000Yeah, it's very interesting to listen to you, Callie, and I understand that you're a libertarian, and there's so much within libertarianism that I agree with.
00:34:47.000Certainly individual freedom, the maximum amount of freedom for the maximum amount of people.
00:34:52.000And it's even clearer to see why more and more people are becoming libertarian when the state has so plainly partnered corporations when the biggest argument for state intervention is the ability that the state would have to protect the public perhaps from foreign invasion and certainly from ongoing corporate invasion.
00:35:12.000It seems that they're Is a necessity for some assistance, service, help, aid for the many sick people in the world, particularly around the subject of mental health.
00:35:22.000It appears that there's a mental health crisis.
00:35:24.000Am I right in saying that 40 million Americans are on daily antidepressants now and that similarly this is something that could be decreased, altered radically by changing diet and changing behaviour?
00:35:47.000If you put any animal in a cage with limited sunlight, with limited movement, and feed them ultra-processed crab, any animal would go crazy very quickly.
00:36:01.000And, you know, again, I'm a libertarian.
00:36:03.000I'm a capitalist, but I don't think we have a capitalist system.
00:36:05.000I think we have a crony capitalist oligarchy, basically, right now.
00:36:09.000I mean, we have an absolutely rigged system.
00:36:39.000That is how medicine sees literally the one ton of food that we put in our body.
00:36:46.000You talk to a doctor at Harvard or Stanford about the importance of looking at sunlight or even sedentary behavior.
00:36:54.000Preventative community health organizations can work on that.
00:36:58.000We have been systematically removed and that ties to mental health, Russell.
00:37:05.000I just cannot say this enough, and I'm on a journey, too.
00:37:07.000I mean, this, you know, this all, you know, with my mom and, you know, COVID and different things, I've been on, we all are on a mental health journey.
00:37:17.000But I just cannot say this, like, just clearly enough, and science backs this up, if you change your diet, And you cut ultra processed food out of your diet, and cut those three ingredients we talked about, and you commit to 150 minutes of getting your heart rate up at least a week for three months, you will feel something.
00:37:40.000If you get sleep, these basic habits, and the fact that these aren't just the foundation when somebody's struggling with some mental health disorders, of getting your sleep, getting movement, looking at your diet, These things impact our cells.
00:37:55.00020% of our energy is created in our brain, okay?
00:37:58.000As I said, literally, dementia, even schizophrenia, highly related.
00:38:04.000There's studies out of Harvard from some great doctors, actually, at Harvard and others.
00:38:07.000Chris Palmer, this book, Brain Energy.
00:38:35.000That's where your intuitive mind is taking us.
00:38:39.000We've gone through Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, that's what it's become now.
00:38:44.000Kelly, having met Tucker Carlson recently, it's for me a favourable comparison.
00:38:50.000It's certainly not something I have a problem with.
00:38:52.000It's just texting with him, actually, and I'm just amazed that he... It's just so awesome he's talking about this, and he just had Mark Hyman on, who's a hero of mine, so I guess he was on the mind.
00:39:05.000But yeah, the fact that it's not the first line of defense is a scandal.
00:39:09.000Russell, listen, I'm not saying it's good or bad on the SSRIs, but the fact that 25% of adult women are on an SSRI in America, it's an under-discussed societal dynamic.
00:39:53.000We are basically in boxes, sunless boxes, sedentary, with feeding tubes, feeding ourselves I appreciate what you said at the beginning, Russell.
00:40:05.000Let's not be hyperbolic here, but that is true.
00:40:08.000A hundred years ago, 0% of our diet was ultra-processed, close to it.
00:40:14.000The ingredients I talked about were not in existence a hundred years ago.
00:40:17.000We're putting into our bodies things we're not biologically made to eat, and that's impacting our brain.
00:40:22.000The last thing I'll say on mental health You know, the head of the Harvard Psychology Department, they were putting on a conference on psychiatry and mental health, and they were looking for a speaker to talk about potential other modalities from SSRIs.
00:40:36.000And the dean of the psychology school said they actually could not find a professor or doctor that wasn't conflicted with SSRI makers.
00:41:19.000It's just interesting, and just getting into a little bit of history, but, you know, the whole war on drugs, Nixon.
00:41:25.000People don't know this, but the grandfather of the Sackler family who did Purdue Pharma with the opioid crisis, their grandfather actually basically invented SSRIs and benzos and mental health medications because he saw that was the biggest market for chronic disease cures.
00:41:38.000And he actually, his ally, actually wrote the War on Drugs legislation, the scheduling.
00:41:43.000And it put, you know, SSRIs, benzos, other things that put them at a high, you know, not as worse of a class.
00:41:49.000They actually saw, at the time, psychedelics as a threat because, as we see in increasing research, these are a one-time treatment.
00:41:55.000It's not really a good pharma drug, right?
00:41:57.000If the science says it can have long-term effects in one treatment, that's not pharma's business model.
00:42:01.000And there's been a systematic, really from the War on Drugs onward, denigration, and that actually is tied a lot to mental health medications.
00:42:11.000The last thing I'll just say here, Tucker, I think it's an important differentiation.
00:42:15.000Because a lot of people say, well, hasn't the medical system done great stuff?
00:43:40.000Um, this is what folks need, and even members of Congress.
00:43:44.000I'm actually glad that they're realizing this.
00:43:46.000They don't even fully grapple with this.
00:43:49.000Chronic disease management has been a cataclysm.
00:43:54.000Siloing the human body into 42 different parts, and somebody that's diabetic and obese and has heart disease and depression, the fact that they're going to six different doctors for six different pills, this has been a disaster.
00:44:08.000We need to unwind that and actually understand the interconnectedness of our body, which sounds almost like hippie, but it's actually like, I think, very grounded in science and what we have to do to turn this around.
00:47:56.000If you can just be vigilant from highly processed grains, seed oils, canola, sunflower, etc., and sugar from your—you get 70 to 80 percent there.
00:48:45.000If you take 10,000 steps a day, and Casey's talking about this, we're talking about this, but if you take 10,000 steps a day, if you make movement more part of your life, if you understand that that is just essential for ourselves as animals, that we're not only doing some aerobic exercise and getting to the gym, but exercising, standing up, walking, if you take 10,000 steps, The chance of you getting diabetes, heart disease, dementia, other conditions, is almost zero.
00:49:07.000The United States should have a national emergency strategy to have people moving more.
00:49:12.000Not just with exercise, but just as part of daily life.
00:50:02.000A lot of influencers, a lot of people that sell products want to make it complicated.
00:50:06.000We need to understand that our biological needs have been taken away.
00:50:10.000And if you can't afford, frankly, better food or able to move to a smaller house, if you're not able to get sleep because of your job or because you're Boyfriend snoring, dump the boyfriend.
00:50:23.000If your dog's bothering you, getting sleep, get rid of the dog.
00:50:27.000We have to incentivize and prioritize these basic metabolic habits.
00:50:31.000And then the policy solutions, Russell.
00:51:46.000Looking forward to meeting you in person, sleeping eight hours, eating only natural food, doing some exercise, and reiterating my actual name.
00:51:56.000Kali, thank you so much for joining me.