Stay Free - Russel Brand - Can Trump REALLY Change America? | Glenn Greenwald REVEALS This About 2024 Election- Stay Free #293

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00:04:19.000 So, without further ado, Glenn, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:04:23.000 It's an honour to have you, as always.

00:04:26.000 Always a pleasure to see you, Russell.

00:04:28.000 Thank you for asking.

00:04:29.000 It seems like the landscape of American politics has been irrevocably altered.

00:04:34.000 There is no chance that the Republican Party will ever be recaptured by what might have been regarded as conventional or traditional interests.

00:04:43.000 And yet there is an appetite to homogenize the central space of the American political system.

00:04:50.000 Do you think, bearing in mind we're broadcasting this after New Hampshire, it seems that Trump's ascendancy to the nomination is assured and that even within the Republican Party and beyond it, within the American representative democracy more broadly, there is still no antidote for this phenomena and that they are still flailing and conflicted in how to address this, both within media and political circles?

00:05:18.000 I think the key truth that people have to realize if they want to pay attention to politics on a kind of deeper level than just what pundits say on cable news shows is the understanding of power works.

00:05:29.000 And how power works for me as the first law is that establishment forces that wield power not only don't give it up easily, they will fight to the death to hold on to it.

00:05:41.000 The nature of history.

00:05:42.000 You can look at pretty much every historical event where people are fighting over who will build power.

00:05:47.000 And if you try and take power away from status quo institutions, whatever you want to call them, they will do everything and anything, like cornered rats, to keep it.

00:05:57.000 So you see, first of all, pouring $250 million into Nikki Haley's campaign to stop Trump from the presidency.

00:06:04.000 Obviously, if that doesn't work, which it likely will not, Then you have all these prosecutions.

00:06:10.000 I mean, they're serious about forcing Trump to run from prison as the leading presidential candidate from a jail cell or from a courtroom, which is, you know, such an extraordinary recipe for civil unrest that they don't care about because they're so desperate.

00:06:26.000 And then even if he overcomes all that and wins, we're going to have the kind of subversion of his elected presidency that we saw in 2016, where the U.S.

00:06:37.000 security state, the deep state, working hand-in-hand with the media, went to work to try and destroy and sabotage him in every single way, to even encourage people in his administration, generals and the like, to ignore and subvert his orders In order to neutralize whatever he wants to do.

00:06:53.000 They're already trying to do that.

00:06:55.000 They're already planning that.

00:06:56.000 There are articles openly in the mainstream press talking about the kinds of plans that they would intend to pursue if that happens.

00:07:01.000 And so you're gonna have every step of the way because they understand that they've lost the ability to control how people think.

00:07:09.000 People have tuned them out.

00:07:10.000 They obviously, even the most narcissistic and delusional get that by now when you see Trump winning despite all the things they've done.

00:07:18.000 There's a multi-pronged plan to prevent him, even if he wins, from exerting real power, and that is, to me, the great threat to democracy.

00:07:28.000 Contingency of course.

00:07:29.000 It was interesting to see the guy, is he called Diamond, who's from JP Morgan, sort of at Davos, casually advocating or at least assuaging fears around a potential Trump presidency.

00:07:45.000 Certainly he was using some populist language.

00:07:47.000 It seems to me Unlikely, Glenn, that something as plausible as a Trump presidency could be allowed to go ahead without some contingency in place.

00:07:58.000 Do you think when you hear high profile figures from the financial world cautiously backing Trump, or at least being open to a Trump presidency, that's an indication that they can accommodate his ascent Even without the kind of obstacles that you've indicated could be put in place, i.e.

00:08:13.000 to some degree, could a Trump presidency ever be co-opted by the same globalist interests that you say are now cowering like rats at the emergence of such a popular figure?

00:08:25.000 I think it's very difficult to imagine Jamie Dimon, of all people, the head of JP Morgan, the person who was so enamored of President Obama that he treated him like the second coming of Christ and Obama.

00:08:38.000 He preys on Jamie Dimon.

00:08:42.000 Dimon was called Obama's banker.

00:08:44.000 Suddenly embracing populist sentiments and trying to say, hey, you know what, they kind of have a point.

00:08:49.000 I think what he was doing there instead was offering strategic advice, which is one of the ways that establishments can co-opt anti-establishment sentiment is by ceasing to be overtly hostile to them, not insulting them, not telling them they have nothing valid to believe, telling them that they're all racist, telling them that they're going to be in prison, And instead kind of throwing them some crumbs to keep them a little bit satiated, to keep them placated.

00:09:18.000 That's really been the history of the United States and the capitalist society we have.

00:09:21.000 The way we've been able to tolerate massive inequality is occasionally you have things like the New Deal, things to ameliorate the edges of harsh capitalism just enough to keep people Not quite willing to go out onto the streets and risk their lives to protest.

00:09:38.000 I saw Jamie Dimon's little speech in Davos more as a way of saying, look, what we're doing isn't working.

00:09:44.000 We're fueling all these anti-establishment and populist movements, not just in the U.S., but throughout Western Europe.

00:09:50.000 I think we need to change our tact and start talking to them and about them with a little bit more respect so they start believing we understand their sentiments and aren't completely hostile to and at war with them.

00:10:04.000 The last time we spoke, you said that in previous times of mass inequality, there were tokenistic moves, you said, from the likes of the Rockefellers who might cast dollar bills from a passing limousine as a plutocratic gesture to the proletariat.

00:10:22.000 And then you said, but these days, with the rise of the militarisation of the police force, anti-protest laws, ongoing surveillance measures, it seems less necessary to even mitigate these rising tensions. And I've felt with

00:10:36.000 speculation around a second pandemic, the disease X, with fear mongering around potential cyber

00:10:44.000 attacks, with the escalating wars around the world, with the unique configuration of

00:10:50.000 global elections this year, that there is something precipitous happening, that it is

00:10:57.000 possible and plausible that the prognoses of giddy, shamanic outlier figures in the dark web are

00:11:07.000 closer to being accurate than the kind of of care.

00:11:12.000 Casual dampening down of expectations that you might read in ordinary mainstream media.

00:11:19.000 Do you think that we are on the precipice of moves towards a more globalist authoritarian regime?

00:11:28.000 Do you feel like the pieces are observable?

00:11:32.000 Do you feel that that's happening?

00:11:34.000 Do you think it can be averted or do you think that that's a sort of a hysterical perspective?

00:11:41.000 There's no doubt that that's happening.

00:11:43.000 I mean, you don't have to be a remote conspiracy theorist, you don't have to be particularly insightful not to impugn the high quality of your observation, but I don't even think it requires that much insight to see that when you have things like one country after the next, Adopting brand new laws to provide really extreme powers, unaccountable, unreviewable, extreme powers to governments to censor the internet and punish people for failing to remove content that these governments deem dangerous or false.

00:12:19.000 You see this law in the EU, in the UK, in Canada, in Brazil, in Ireland, in all parts of the democratic world now, and you've seen it already in places like the Persian Gulf long ago, that give these states enormous power over the instrument that was supposed to be The thing that guaranteed us the ability to communicate with one another and to organize.

00:12:42.000 They're petrified of that.

00:12:43.000 They decided after 2016, when they had these dual traumas of Brexit being approved and then Hillary losing to Trump, that they simply could no longer allow a free internet and free discourse over the internet because it's too out of their control.

00:13:00.000 And ever since then, they've clamped down on free thought and free discourse, on the right to protest.

00:13:06.000 I mean, I think the thing that happened in Canada with the trucker protest, I even think some of the things you're seeing now with these pro-Palestinian protests throughout Europe and in the United States, where the reaction has been to crack down, because whatever your view on that war is, those protests are against the policy of the EU and the United States that supports Israel.

00:13:25.000 You're seeing with the right to protest, the right to free speech, the right to organize, the right to use the internet, increasingly repressive systems of control that are designed to curb some of these kind of wild excesses that elite see people engaging in, and they're trying to regain control of how people think, how they behave, and put limits on what they can say and do.

00:13:47.000 You and I have both had in a peculiar way comparable journeys from darlings of different aspects of the establishment.

00:13:54.000 You obviously as a very highly regarded and decorated journalist to apostate and attacker of the establishment.

00:14:02.000 I have from being a Hollywood insider to being very much an outsider and extremely publicly Maligned.

00:14:11.000 I always assumed, particularly perhaps around the time of Occupy, that radical movements such as you are describing, or at least you're describing the potential for with the communications miracle that is being addressed through these highly sensorial measures, that it would bear the hue of a kind of culturally progressive Leftist revolutionary movement.

00:14:38.000 Plainly that's not the case with the cultural left aligning itself with authoritarianism.

00:14:45.000 Where does that lead us?

00:14:46.000 What type of aesthetic is it going to be?

00:14:49.000 Particularly when I speak to some journalists who say that even figures like Javier Mele or indeed Donald Trump are ultimately aligned with economic interests that are not Anti-establishment in practice.

00:15:06.000 What kind of inflection do you imagine that these movements might bear?

00:15:11.000 Is this something that you think about?

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00:16:14.000 Glenn, so?

00:16:17.000 Yeah, I think it's a really interesting question because in the 60s and the 70s the primary threat posed to American power and American domestic stability largely came from the American left, from the anti-war movement, from the civil rights movement, from a lot of black radical groups like the Black Panthers, Malcolm X and all those sorts of movements that were largely, not entirely, but largely left-wing.

00:16:42.000 As a result, all of the weapons assembled to combat them—the CIA, the FBI, the U.S.

00:16:47.000 security state, all these laws, infiltration—became an enemy of the American left.

00:16:52.000 That's why the American left, for decades, had always had a very jaundiced view of these security state agencies, of the U.S.

00:16:59.000 federal government, And then what happened in the era of Trump and the emergence of right-wing populism, not just in the United States but around the world, is the security states switched.

00:17:08.000 They no longer think that left-wing radicalism is harmful.

00:17:12.000 It's very neutered.

00:17:13.000 It's basically harmless.

00:17:16.000 It's not a communist movement.

00:17:18.000 It's basically just a very soft AOC, Bernie kind of like, let's just make things a little more like Denmark.

00:17:24.000 It's not threatening to anybody.

00:17:26.000 And the threats that they decided really exist are right-wing populism.

00:17:31.000 And so the CIA, the FBI, the U.S.

00:17:33.000 security state turned their guns on right-wing populism.

00:17:37.000 They did this explicitly.

00:17:38.000 I mean, you look at their doctrine and they say the greatest threat to United States national security is not Iran or Raqqa.

00:17:44.000 or Russia or Al-Qaeda or Hamas or Hezbollah.

00:17:48.000 It's right-wing extremism here at home.

00:17:50.000 They've made right-wing extremism, namely the anti-establishment populist right of Donald Trump, the greatest threat.

00:17:59.000 That's why they needed to call them an insurrectionary movement to justify all the surveillance on them and the criminalization of them.

00:18:05.000 And of course it switched so that now most of the liberal left sees the U.S.

00:18:09.000 security state as their ally against Trump and right-wing populism.

00:18:13.000 And especially that's true because the culture war has now become so important on the liberal left.

00:18:18.000 You know, LGBT issues and trans issues and abortion and all that and women's rights and minority rights.

00:18:24.000 And, you know, the CIA and the FBI are very happy to go along with that.

00:18:28.000 You know, every week they're posting like, hey, happy Indigenous Day and take a look at our bipolar trans, you know, operative in the field.

00:18:35.000 We're so proud of our diversity.

00:18:38.000 And it's really done a great job of persuading, you know, they sold the war in Ukraine that way, also the war in Israel, like, hey, this is good for LGBT rights. 0.51

00:18:45.000 So the kind of establishment has done a very good job of branding itself as left-liberal from a culture war perspective and aligning itself with the liberal left by making their primary enemy the same enemy that the left has, which is right-wing populism and Trump.

00:18:59.000 And it has completely reversed the political dynamics in this country of who trusts those agencies and who doesn't, who cares about free speech and who doesn't.

00:19:09.000 And the reason is, is because these Western power centers do now view right-wing populism, anti-establishment politics, even from the left but also from the right, to be their greatest threat.

00:19:23.000 I'm astonished at how effective that modality has been in rebranding deep state interests and formerly assumed bad actors such as the CIA, as well as globalist corporate interests.

00:19:34.000 We saw this, of course, during the pandemic, where the formerly loathed pharmaceutical industry were welcomed with open arms as saviors.

00:19:43.000 And it's astonishing to me that in such a relatively short period of time, such an effective rebrand can be enacted.

00:19:50.000 It leaves me though with questions about the depth of anti-establishment feeling that was ever present in the left and perhaps it was a brief cultural hiatus that just took place in that sort of post-beat cultural revolution moment of the 60s and immediately receded into, you know, that perhaps The left has always been authoritarianism, certainly it's been centrist, and centrism and authoritarianism might easily be aligned with one another.

00:20:18.000 And the other question that leaves me with, Glenn, is what type of, other than libertarianism practiced at the level of the individual, Aligned with some principles gleaned from Christianity and patriotism, what kind of movement is likely to emerge out of this new feared MAGA Trump populist movement?

00:20:42.000 If we've already had four years of it, where is a true anti-establishment movement, if you agree that what's happening on the right isn't one, is likely to emerge?

00:20:55.000 Well, I think one of the problems with the anti-right populist movement is that there's a lot of doctrinal ambiguity and even a lot of doctrinal conflict.

00:21:04.000 So, you know, you might have seen people like Steve Bannon saying things like, oh, we need economic populism in this country.

00:21:10.000 We need to go to war against the bankers and the globalists and protect Social Security and Medicare and raise taxes on the rich.

00:21:18.000 And that was Donald Trump's campaign rhetoric in 2016, but then he gets into office in 2017 and one of the first things he does is he cuts corporate taxes for the wealthiest, increasing the debt, feeding all the corporate donors in the swamp that he said he would drain, actually one of the best presidents they could possibly have had, making Mitch McConnell and his donors and lobbyists very happy.

00:21:38.000 And I don't think there's been a kind of coherent anti-right populist, anti-establishment politics that has fully emerged.

00:21:45.000 If you look, for example, at the way economic populism works on the right, if you look at people like Donald Trump, who say we're never going to let them touch Social Security and Medicaid, and you look at Marine Le Pen, who actually ran to the left, Pretty much every party in France, including the socialists, when it came to things like raising retirement benefits and opposing increased retirement age, these things, you know, the idea of right-wing populism is let's close the borders, get rid of the people who don't belong here, but then make life better for our own citizens. 0.53

00:22:17.000 If you don't get somebody like Malay in Argentina or even Bolsonaro in Brazil who kind of gets grouped into anti-establishment right-wing populism just because they kind of rail against the same elites that everybody hates, That has nothing to do with those people.

00:22:31.000 I mean, Bolsonaro hired, you know, kind of like an austerity-mad University of Chicago economist, Paolo Schetti, to be his minister of the economy.

00:22:41.000 Mollet is a really hardcore libertarian, you know, like, let's deconstruct the government, get rid of social programs that help the poor, just let the free market run wild.

00:22:52.000 So I don't think there's a clarity of thought yet, but I think the important nugget that does tie it together that is important and that can be worked with They've identified correctly who the enemies are, who the people are who are wielding power, and the ways in which that power is being wielded correctly.

00:23:09.000 There is obviously a tendency to conflate a divergent range of interests in the way that you've just described because of the way that media functions now and of course politicians in places like Hungary and Brazil and Argentina are going to be at odds with one another and dealing with a sort of a different range of challenges and problems even though the enemy is likely to be the same because globalism is real and if even within the sort of right when all of these sort of figures these populist figures are Is it necessary that the opposition to globalism is in itself global?

00:23:49.000 And is this even something that there can be a contingency for, Glenn?

00:23:52.000 Or is it that we simply have to continually identify corruption and hypocrisy in the manner in which you do?

00:24:01.000 And allow whatever movements emerge as a result of that, because I see independent media clearly relating to independent political movements, just if you take the example of RFK.

00:24:13.000 It's unthinkable that that would have happened 20 years ago, that he would have, you know, without the support of legacy media, been able to rise to the prominence that, you know, who knows where it will lead, but at least he's popular.

00:24:24.000 And a few years ago, he's someone I wouldn't have on a podcast because he's, you know, he was just a pariah.

00:24:29.000 So, yeah, I wonder then, are we at risk of, because of the nature of globalism, simplifying what type of form opposition to globalism might take because it is a ubiquitous phenomena but that may not require a ubiquitous response?

00:24:48.000 I do think it's important to have a positive, coherent agenda that people by and large who are part of the same movement more or less agree on.

00:24:56.000 Obviously, you're going to have differences and some, you know, debates on the margin.

00:25:00.000 Because anti-establishment hatred gets you only so far.

00:25:05.000 You know, you can kind of get rid of certain establishments, certain groups of authority, but then if you don't have a clear idea for what replaces them, you're gonna have a lot of people within that movement that did that, that think those people didn't go far enough.

00:25:23.000 Then you're going to have people in that movement who think it went way too far, and you're going to have people who think, no, it just needs to be on a completely different path.

00:25:33.000 You look now at the America First ideology, which speaks a lot about things like non-interventionism, about focusing on America before we start financing foreign wars, and yet suddenly you have a lot of people who identify that way, as wanting to fund the war in Israel, wanting to deploy American troops to the Middle East to get involved in all these Middle East wars that I thought we were supposed to be done with to protect Israel.

00:25:57.000 You have a lot of people wanting to confront China and kind of turn everything into a Cold War, which of course is going to only fuel the intelligence agencies and the arms industries that a lot of people say that they're against.

00:26:09.000 So I'm seeing a lot of ideological incoherence that at some point is going to have to be resolved in some way.

00:26:19.000 Otherwise, you're just going to have this mishmash of ideas that I think is going to end up replicating or won't have the focus necessary to overthrow establishment doctrines, even if you put different people in place.

00:26:32.000 Yes, because if ultimately these movements are undergirded by, if not the same, but comparable economic interests, there's a trajectory that can be predicted.

00:26:43.000 Ultimately, the resources will be directed to operate with and move within the lines that are established, always within that kind of framework.

00:26:54.000 I suppose that's why it's Interesting and such a hideous phantom from the past to consider those truly ideological movements that were to some degree not materialistic, i.e.

00:27:06.000 the great movements of the 20th century.

00:27:10.000 We'll acknowledge the horrors that they led to.

00:27:12.000 But when you start to establish ideals that are not about materialism, and it seems that much of the populist America First or, you know, many of the ethno-national, even if they're not explicitly ethno-national, even if they're sort of patriotic or nostalgic, Many of these movements seem to me to be trying to revitalise and establish a kind of a sense of purpose, a sense of tribe, a sense of unity, a sense of coherence, a sense of meaning that goes beyond we're just going to let the markets decide or we're going to let globalists or, you know, in the case of the region of the world I live in, sort of EU bureaucrats determine what our life and lifestyles are going to be.

00:27:51.000 It seems to me that that's kind of what's burgeoning, that's what's, you know, waiting to be born,

00:27:57.000 something that is explicitly anti-materialist perhaps, or certainly anti-establishment

00:28:03.000 is, seems like a step in the direction of movements that are not able

00:28:08.000 to be housed within the current rubric. Yeah, I mean if you look at, let

00:28:14.000 me just give you a If you look at Vivek Ramaswamy's campaign, that was, I think, very difficult to pigeonhole ideologically.

00:28:22.000 One of its principal themes, I would say, its central theme, was that the main problem with the United States is not that we have too much debt or social spending or this or that, that we've lost any kind of purpose greater than ourselves.

00:28:35.000 And so everybody wakes up every day and focuses on their little job in their cubicles, People don't have religion, they don't have spirituality, and that's why everybody's on antidepressants, everybody's depressed, everybody has, you know, all kinds of mental health struggles.

00:28:48.000 Because if you don't have a, you know, we're social animals, we're meant to be part of something bigger than ourselves.

00:28:55.000 And if you lose that as a country, and I think this is a big part of right-wing populism, Then you lose what it means to be human, you know, this kind of connective tissue that makes us feel like we are part of something.

00:29:08.000 The other issue is, you know, if you look at what Steve Bannon was saying in 2016, I once got in trouble because I said, I think Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson are both more socialists than a lot of people who identify that way.

00:29:21.000 And if you listen to what Steve Bannon was saying during the 2016 campaign, or if you listen to what Tucker Carlson in 2018 did one of the most anti-capitalist segments on Fox News that I've ever seen in my life.

00:29:32.000 It was kind of like, what are all these hedge fund managers who are billionaire overlords actually doing for our country?

00:29:38.000 They suck out wealth, they de-industrialize our country, and then all this wealth is just banker wealth.

00:29:44.000 It doesn't produce anything.

00:29:45.000 It's like vulture capitalism.

00:29:48.000 And I think Steve Bannon has a lot of that sense, too.

00:29:51.000 You know, this kind of idea that what you need actually is greater empowerment of American workers.

00:29:56.000 Now, that has to be paired in their view with the idea that you can't have millions of people

00:30:01.000 flowing over the border into the country, especially illegally every year,

00:30:05.000 otherwise we'll lose the ability to, you know, kind of have a healthy society

00:30:11.000 where people can live fulfilling, economically prosperous lives.

00:30:15.000 But a lot of that ideology is focused on the need to get away from corporatism,

00:30:20.000 this kind of extreme view of capitalism, and return to a sort of sense of

00:30:24.000 What is the welfare, prosperity, and happiness of the ordinary citizen?

00:30:28.000 Similarly, Tucker notably opposed that other great myth of our time, progressivism.

00:30:35.000 And I don't mean cultural, but the idea, of course, that we are broadly progressing along technological and medicinal lines, Reaching Icarus-like, and we all know how he ended up, into New Apolline territories when he said that he wouldn't hesitate to ban AI truckers and automated work in order to facilitate greater negotiating conditions for American workers and drivers.

00:31:01.000 And it seems to me that those kind of principles, when espoused by someone who identifies with conservatism, Likely come from many of the principles of fraternity that would be found in Christianity, and it's often said of British socialism that it owes more to Methodism than to Marx.

00:31:20.000 That having a set of social principles, I don't mean socialist principles, but the idea that people oughtn't only be regarded in terms of their utility, and when their utility expires, so do they.

00:31:32.000 These values, these ideas, which, you know, I can see why they might be coupled with anti-immigrant pro-boundary type politics, it seems to me,

00:31:40.000 have a kind of a certain value to them and they're certainly values that appear to be popular and

00:31:48.000 ultimately I figure that even if these views are at odds with many of the sort of contemporary

00:31:55.000 ideas around battle, you know, no boundaries and immigration is beneficial. 1.00

00:31:59.000 I suppose these things, kind of, if people have the right to hear those views, don't they?

00:32:03.000 And have the right to entertain them and even vote for them.

00:32:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:09.000 You know, it's so interesting.

00:32:11.000 In the 2022 French election, when Macron was re-elected, It was right around that time, maybe it was a little bit after, when the French were riding the way they always do, but this time it was over Macron's attempt to increase the retirement age by two years from, I think, 62 to 64, which obviously for the United States, where it's been 65 for a long time, seems like a big luxury.

00:32:34.000 But in Western Europe, they've always valued more this idea that you retire earlier, you have more workers' rights.

00:32:40.000 And he gave this speech, Mélenchon did, who's considered a far-left figure in France, We talked about how so much of human worth in today's society is determined by a human being's utility.

00:32:56.000 How much utility do you have to a corporation?

00:32:58.000 How much utility do you have with your labor?

00:33:00.000 How much utility do you have to the economy?

00:33:02.000 So that the minute you lose that, you kind of lose your wealth, your value as a person, as you were just saying.

00:33:08.000 And he was saying that this ability to work your whole life, 40 years of hard labor, and then get to, you know, 62 and maybe have like 10 years based on life expectancy, where you kind of get to reflect and ponder and like read and do what you want, this kind of human freedom that you don't have when you're working hard jobs five days a week, 40 hours a day.

00:33:32.000 is of such great human value, especially at the end of your life, to kind of rob that in order to empower the IMF and the World Bank and European elites in Germany.

00:33:42.000 It's like criminal!

00:33:44.000 And I think this is something that you could hear and resonate just as much on whatever is called the far-right or the populist-right, this kind of attempt to get away from this dehumanizing, mechanizing form of capitalism that's globalist, that's spirit-crushing, that's human-crushing, and find ways to once again re-emphasize what human connection and what human fulfillment are.

00:34:07.000 I had a set of wonderful conversations with my friend Adam Curtis.

00:34:12.000 A few things that have always stayed with me is once when we were doing something live, he was saying, you don't know what you want, he said to the audience.

00:34:19.000 What is it that you want?

00:34:20.000 You just want the banks to be a little bit nicer.

00:34:23.000 Is that the extent of it?

00:34:25.000 Adam Curtis, I think, sort of identified quite early on, as he often does in his filmmaking, what actually is happening.

00:34:32.000 And at the beginning of our conversation, Glenn, when we talked about sort of it's plain that we are at a precipitous point, not because of sort of evangelist, shamanic figures, the prognosis of like zealous figures like, you know, Alex Jones or whoever saying, look, because of observable legislation, does it seem to you too possible that a counter movement could emerge?

00:34:58.000 I sometimes sense that there was like that.

00:35:01.000 The Assange, Snowden and indeed Greenwald moment, something got frozen in time there.

00:35:07.000 It was the end of something.

00:35:09.000 Media changed in that moment.

00:35:11.000 People's ethics changed in that moment.

00:35:13.000 The left and the liberal classes had had to rewrite their agenda in that moment.

00:35:19.000 It was an odd time in history for it all to have occurred.

00:35:22.000 All that information is out there and is still true and yet more true.

00:35:26.000 Everything that Sandra revealed, everything that Snowden spoke about,

00:35:29.000 it's all still out there.

00:35:30.000 And the culture has sort of kind of reformed around it.

00:35:33.000 And they're still there, those guys, like Telltale Hearts or Pictures of Dorian Gray,

00:35:38.000 exiled away in Shadowlands, and the problems are unaddressed.

00:35:42.000 And the culture has sort of tried to morph itself around, this is why this is okay.

00:35:46.000 And yet, like, Assange's name in particular can't even really be spoken.

00:35:52.000 Do you think that the media and the establishment more broadly had to reconfigure itself because of what was is indicated by the punishment of those two men and because of the nature of what they revealed that it's them that have to be impugned and condemned For sure.

00:36:08.000 I mean, I think it is still underestimated the extent to which Julian Assange is a true visionary of our time.

00:36:19.000 I think easily the most consequential You know, journalists of this generation, for whatever people want to say about me, I mean, I feel like Julian's impact is so systemic and so broad that it's really not even a close competition.

00:36:39.000 And the reason for that is that he was the first person to really I realize that in the digital age, these institutions of power, I mean the main ones, like the big ones, had a huge vulnerability, which is that by storing all of their secrets, the secrets that show their lies and their crimes, in digital form, it becomes much easier to take it.

00:37:02.000 You know, to, like, find a way to suck it up.

00:37:04.000 One of the things that's so interesting to hear Daniel Ellsberg when he talks about the Pentagon Papers leak was one of his biggest challenges was just, like, how do you Xerox 40,000 top secret pages without being detected?

00:37:15.000 You know, you, like, go to the grocery store, you go to the drugstore, they have these big Xerox machines, you have to put a diamond for every page, and he actually did that sometimes.

00:37:25.000 Whereas when Chelsea Manning wanted to download the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs, 0.98

00:37:30.000 she did it in about 20 minutes, just by pretending she was listening to a Lady Gaga album

00:37:35.000 by downloading it onto her thumb drive and then sending it to WikiLeaks.

00:37:38.000 Same with Snowden, he planned it, but it didn't take that much time

00:37:40.000 to take all that information.

00:37:42.000 Julian was the first one to realize, to create WikiLeaks as a kind of anonymous way to do that.

00:37:47.000 And then of course, the Snowden leak, which was by far the biggest national security leak,

00:37:51.000 came from the most secretive agency inside the world's most powerful government.

00:37:55.000 And both of those created a lot of support and popularity.

00:38:00.000 And like I was saying before, when you're the establishment, when you have establishment power, you will do anything to figure out how to protect your power.

00:38:10.000 And right away, you know, the smear campaign against all of us that were involved in those things began.

00:38:17.000 But more than that, like, trying to put Snowden in prison for life, putting Assange in prison for life.

00:38:23.000 But then also, you know, right away, what happened was when these things happened, It was already 10 years since Al-Qaeda had attacked the United States.

00:38:30.000 Nobody thought about Al-Qaeda anymore.

00:38:32.000 Nobody cared about Al-Qaeda.

00:38:34.000 It wasn't really a useful force to scare people any longer.

00:38:37.000 And then within like a year of the Snowden reporting starting, then it became, oh, ISIS is worse than Al-Qaeda.

00:38:43.000 And then a year later, it became, Russia is an existential threat to democracy, and then Trump, of course.

00:38:51.000 And these institutions of power successfully re-scared everybody into believing that unless they put their faith and blind trust into these agencies, They would not be safe.

00:39:01.000 They would be threatened.

00:39:03.000 They need these agencies.

00:39:05.000 And you see the polling data that now shows that these agencies are viewed far more favorably, especially by left liberals, than they were a decade ago.

00:39:13.000 So this is part of this cycle where you push them, you attack them, but they attack back.

00:39:19.000 And if you're not Aware of that fact that if you attack establishment power successfully, they're going to attack you in at least ways that are at least as harsh.

00:39:29.000 You shouldn't do it.

00:39:30.000 But that is the cycle of history.

00:39:33.000 It is the cycle of history.

00:39:34.000 I mean, indeed, isn't that the initial contract between the governing and the governed right down to sort of feudal system?

00:39:42.000 You give us your taxes, we will keep you safe.

00:39:45.000 And if people start thinking, but I don't need to be kept safe, we could keep ourselves safe.

00:39:49.000 Like once that dynamic starts challenging, the whole thing falls apart.

00:39:52.000 So how do you think The culture has sort of reformed, metastasized, like when you see a wire in a tree and the tree kind of grows around it.

00:40:02.000 How is it that, you know, the Guardian and various European and American newspapers that were advocates of Julian's have sort of regrouped and said, oh, yeah, it's OK that he's in Belmarsh without trial and it'll be all right if he's extradited to America.

00:40:19.000 How is it even maintaining the pretense of I think one of the things that establishments need, and especially security states need more than anything, is a villain, is a scary villain that they can convince people they should need to be scared of and want protection from.

00:40:44.000 So of course during the Cold War that was communists, the communists were coming to take your god away, were coming to take your church away, And it sustained, you know, this five-year, five-decade massive growth of the security state, of wars all over the country.

00:40:57.000 And then once the Berlin Wall fell, we were supposed to have, oh, this peace dividend.

00:41:00.000 But right away, we started getting new enemies with, like, Milosevic and, you know, having to go to war in Yugoslavia.

00:41:07.000 And then right away, 9-11 happened and suddenly we had a 20-year war on terror.

00:41:12.000 And then along the way as well, we got these new enemies like Russia and Trump and the threat of right-wing fascism.

00:41:19.000 And now suddenly all these people who are scared of those things are convinced that these are the good guys.

00:41:25.000 You know, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, these major corporations, these major media outlets who are protecting people from these threats.

00:41:35.000 And that's really all there is to it.

00:41:36.000 Trump did change everything by, you know, if you look at what people say about Julian Assange now, the main reason why people are happy he's in jail is because they think he's a Russian agent, which is, you know, it's such an insane accusation that it doesn't pass the most minimal scrutiny of anyone who knows anything.

00:41:54.000 But it seems like if you're afraid of Russia, if Russia is what you're told is contaminating every part of your society, ruining all things decent, Anyone remotely connected to them is an enemy, is someone who is a danger and needs to be crushed.

00:42:08.000 And that's how you turn a population authoritarian.

00:42:11.000 Because much of what you do is about bringing together complex information and telling stories using that data.

00:42:18.000 It's interesting to me when one discovers in conversation that still the modes and methods of the powerful involve quite arcane ideas like just flooding a population with terror.

00:42:33.000 That the issue of Julian Assange's imprisonment seems just less significant relatively if you feel like you're in an existential crisis.

00:42:45.000 It also helps me to see now the value, importance and power of independent media almost in real time.

00:42:52.000 If you take something like the Nord Stream pipeline, it was almost like it seemed ridiculous When it was reported that it was Russian sabotage, when it was clear what the dynamics and effect and point of that pipeline was, people could quickly say, no, it's more likely that this is a sort of a Navy SEAL op, maybe Poland were involved potentially.

00:43:12.000 Like, everything has collapsed.

00:43:14.000 The amount of time has collapsed.

00:43:15.000 That's why it's interesting to discover, for example, Lee Fang, the journalist, did some reporting on Moderna's surveillance and the amount of money Moderna are spending on tracking and de-amplifying dissenting voices like Alex Berenson and Jay Bhattacharya.

00:43:31.000 But, you know, obviously, I was targeted by them.

00:43:35.000 It's interesting to see How independent media voices will be smeared, maligned and attacked in order to preserve these interests.

00:43:43.000 And I afforded myself a wry smile and a slightly terrified chuckle when you said, if you want to attack establishment power, do be ready for them to attack you a lot more seriously because of what's happened to me recently.

00:43:57.000 It's a sort of a recognisable playbook, is it?

00:44:00.000 And now that independent media is so influential and effective, it's something that we're likely to see more of, I suppose.

00:44:07.000 I think people forget, because of everything that happened in the Julian Assange case, that the very first thing they did to him after that 2010 leak of the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs and the diplomatic cables, beyond trying to convene a grand jury to criminally prosecute him, and they ultimately found they couldn't find anything, but what they really tried to do was use allegations of sex crimes against him.

00:44:32.000 Suddenly, these two women in Sweden appeared together.

00:44:36.000 They didn't really claim he had raped them, but it became a rape charge because they said that they were having consensual sex with him.

00:44:43.000 They asked him to use a condom and he didn't, which under Swedish law is rape.

00:44:48.000 It ended up, you know, they were clearly not interested in investigating it.

00:44:51.000 They could have gone and interviewed him at the embassy.

00:44:54.000 They chose not to.

00:44:55.000 They pretended they had to get him onto Swedish soil, but he wouldn't go there.

00:44:58.000 The Ecuadorians protected him because they knew if he went there, they would give him over to the Americans.

00:45:03.000 The whole thing was a farce, but that was what led to the entire process, first of creating a big cloud around Julian Assange, and then You know, forcing him to seek asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy and not be able to leave for nine years, and then ultimately bullying the Ecuadorians out of asylum and going to arrest Julian Assange.

00:45:22.000 The thing that always amazes me, Russell, I always go back to this, is when Daniel Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon Papers.

00:45:28.000 What the Nixon administration did was they ordered a break-in of his psychoanalyst's office to try and find out what are his psychosexual secrets, to release them, so that you kind of hear about Daniel Ellsberg's sexual fantasies or deviations or whatever, and everyone's like, ew, I don't want to have anything to do with Daniel Ellsberg or his Pentagon Papers.

00:45:49.000 It always struck me as such a non-sequitur when I was young and naive.

00:45:53.000 Like, why would you break into a psychoanalyst's office as a response to the Pentagon Papers?

00:45:57.000 But that's the playbook.

00:45:59.000 And if you can create kind of a personal sexual scandal around a dissident, which is almost always done, you can get a lot of people to just instinctively turn away and say, oh, this person is someone who's kind of scummy, who I shouldn't trust, who I just kind of want to avoid.

00:46:14.000 And that is something that you see over and over and over happening to people who end up in those positions.

00:46:21.000 I suppose it's difficult for me to entirely indulge that because it feels self-aggrandizing to put myself into that kind of category when really what we're doing... I'll say it for you!

00:46:30.000 I mean I've said it for you so you don't have to.

00:46:33.000 But it seems like that by putting videos online where you're critical of the deep state or corporate interests or COVID policy or the origins of the war in Ukraine, or the increasing

00:46:44.000 power of organizations like NATO, WFWHO. It's like, I know how it will be reported on outside

00:46:50.000 of these spaces. They'll go, conspiracy theorist Russell Brand claims, then that's

00:46:55.000 disrespectful.

00:46:56.000 You know, but it's, there is a precedent, it seems, for that.

00:47:00.000 Russell, think about this. The people who call you a conspiracy theorist, and of course,

00:47:06.000 I've been called that, you know, everybody who's a critic of the establishment gets called that.

00:47:10.000 These are the people who went around for four years claiming that Vladimir Putin had secretly 0.96

00:47:17.000 seized control of the United States by having a PP pornographic tape of President Trump urinating on prostitutes in the Ritz-Carlton Hotel.

00:47:27.000 They were constantly claiming that Russians were hiding under every bed, were controlling our country, even while Trump did exactly the things that would be most harmful to the vital interest of Moscow, like Blood Ukraine with lethal arms and trying to sabotage Nord Stream 2.

00:47:43.000 He was trying to bully the Germans out of buying natural gas from the US and not from Russia. 0.60

00:47:48.000 I mean, what a weird blackmail victim to go around doing the worst possible things to Putin.

00:47:53.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:47:55.000 These are the real conspiracy theorists.

00:47:57.000 And, you know, all the stuff with COVID, the minute you tried to question whether or not this was done through a lab leak and not through a natural occurrence.

00:48:05.000 Oh, that's a malicious conspiracy theory they published in Lancet.

00:48:09.000 These are the ways that they control dissent.

00:48:12.000 They're free to disseminate the most ins- Remember, The Hunter Biden laptop came out right before the 2020 election, and what did they say?

00:48:18.000 It's Russian disinformation.

00:48:20.000 The Russians are behind it. 1.00

00:48:21.000 It was a total lie.

00:48:22.000 It was a total deranged conspiracy theory that came from NBC and CNN and major media outlets.

00:48:28.000 It didn't come from independent media.

00:48:30.000 So this idea of conspiracy theory is always what they try and do to discredit anybody who deviates from their orthodoxies.

00:48:39.000 Gonzalo Lira has died in jail in Ukraine.

00:48:39.000 Thanks.

00:48:45.000 At his most recent White House press dinner, Biden talked a lot and passionately, within the limitations that he always appears to experience, about the importance of the free press and how it's a foundational principle and our site in Jefferson and stuff.

00:49:02.000 Gonzalo Lira predicted his own death, And why is it important?

00:49:08.000 Why is it not reported on in the legacy media where you know when they would talk about other journalists that were behind bars and it'd be something they would sort of celebrate and magnify?

00:49:18.000 The way human rights concerns work is very simple.

00:49:22.000 Human rights concerns are weaponized against the countries we dislike and want to destabilize.

00:49:26.000 So you hear constantly about the mistreatment of LGBTs in Iran or the mistreatment of women in Iran, but you almost never hear about the mistreatment of LGBTs in Egypt or in Saudi Arabia or women in those countries or at the UAE or Or Bahrain or Jordan, because these are all American allies.

00:49:48.000 We have no interest in destabilizing those countries, so we don't care about the human rights abuses of them.

00:49:52.000 But Iran... 0.82

00:49:55.000 Which is a more open and democratic place than any of those other countries I just named, certainly than Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

00:50:02.000 It's a constant drumbeat of, you know, how are they treating their women?

00:50:05.000 How are they treating their elders?

00:50:07.000 Why?

00:50:07.000 Why do we hear so much about Iran and nothing about these other more savage countries?

00:50:11.000 Because Iran is a country adversarial to the United States, and these other countries are our close allies.

00:50:15.000 We prop them up, we arm them, we finance them, so the U.S. 0.92

00:50:19.000 media ignores their abuses.

00:50:21.000 So when you have somebody like Gonzalo Lira, an American citizen, Clearly, not just being arrested and imprisoned for his criticisms of this war that he has every right as an American citizen to criticize since his government is financing it, but to kill him in prison through mistreatment and negligence.

00:50:38.000 It's the kind of thing that ordinarily the United States government would be screaming bloody murder over.

00:50:42.000 It's their obligation to protect their citizen.

00:50:45.000 But Ukraine is our puppet government, and we have no interest in criticizing Ukraine, and so The idea that Gonzalo Lira was a critic of the war means in a lot of people's minds, like Julian Assange, that he's a Russian agent and therefore he got what he deserved.

00:51:00.000 That's extraordinary.

00:51:02.000 Glenn, thank you for coming on and providing, as usual, the standard of education and passion that we associate with you.

00:51:11.000 Cheers for coming on, Glenn.

00:51:12.000 I appreciate your time, mate.

00:51:13.000 Always great to see you, Russell.

00:51:14.000 Hope you're well.

00:51:14.000 Thanks so much.

00:51:17.000 Thank you very much, Glenn.

00:51:18.000 As always, it's an education to speak to a real journalist with real values.

00:51:22.000 And of course, you can watch System Update live on Rumble weeknights at 7 p.m.

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00:51:30.000 If we're 12 Eastern, it's the middle of the night, but it's worth it.

00:51:33.000 Get up and watch Glenn.

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00:51:40.000 You get exclusive videos like this.

00:51:47.000 There's been an 8% increase in excess deaths in children in the UK.

00:51:53.000 But as a consultant paediatrician, I'd like to focus on children.

00:51:56.000 The Child Mortality Database, National Child Mortality Database, collates data regarding children's deaths from 0 to 18.

00:52:02.000 Their latest bulletin from March 23 shows there were sadly 3,743 child deaths to the

00:52:09.000 end of March 23, which is an increase of 8% on the previous year.

00:52:14.000 So could the minister comment on her investigation she's doing into this?

00:52:18.000 into the cause of this increased mortality and what's being done to prevent further deaths.

00:52:21.000 Of course, do your own research is already being used as a kind of pro-conspiracy theorist

00:52:27.000 attack line. But I would say this, notice now how this story has been covered in legacy

00:52:32.000 media and mainstream media. Have a look and see, for example, if there are documentaries

00:52:36.000 about excess or sudden deaths that don't mention potential radical changes of the last few

00:52:41.000 years and what is implied by the omission of those significant medical interventions

00:52:47.000 of the last few years.

00:52:48.000 Luckily, we have access to some reliable sources of information that we will be using throughout this video.

00:52:53.000 And of course, as always, while on this platform, we studiously maintain that we are making no definitive claims about what's causing these deaths.

00:53:00.000 How could you?

00:53:05.000 That was me talking last week about the 8% increase in excess deaths that is not discussed anywhere on Legacy Media.

00:53:13.000 You can see that full video now on Locals.

00:53:16.000 And now here is another glorious piece of journalism, perhaps not Not to the standard of Glenn Greenwald, you'll tell me in the chat.

00:53:23.000 Davos is over for another year.

00:53:25.000 Of course, they're talking about digital ID.

00:53:27.000 Of course, they're talking about the WHO treaty.

00:53:30.000 Of course, we had the heroic appearance.

00:53:31.000 Was it heroic?

00:53:32.000 By Javier Millet, although that's something we'll be discussing late with Glenn.

00:53:35.000 You'll enjoy that.

00:53:37.000 But one of my favorite moments was, of course, the clumsy piece of cultural appropriation that you might be reminded of simply by this gesture.

00:53:45.000 Here's the news.

00:53:46.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:53:47.000 Pfff.

00:53:48.000 Thank you for choosing Fox News.

00:53:50.000 Here's the news. 1.00

00:53:51.000 No, here's the fucking news. 0.99

00:53:54.000 Davos, the WAF, Klaus Schwab and all of them. 0.99

00:53:57.000 It's over for another year.

00:53:58.000 So what did we learn in 2024?

00:54:01.000 A year of elections across the globe is the agenda for the globalists.

00:54:05.000 Will it be new world order, digital IDs, new pandemics and less freedom for everyone all dressed up in a nice little indigenous ceremony? 0.97

00:54:14.000 Yeah, same as usual then.

00:54:18.000 As always, it's about centralising power, making the agenda of the powerful seem like it's beneficial to ordinary people, making the actions of ordinary people seem like they're a problem, not answering proper questions, making out that Bill Gates cares about nothing except your health rather than his profits in spite of the peculiar raft of investments into media companies and vaccine organisations and the World Health Organisation itself.

00:54:37.000 It's an extraordinary festival of corporatism and globalism.

00:54:41.000 It is indeed Globalist Christmas up in the Alps with Klaus Schwab as Santa.

00:54:46.000 And what's in that sack, Klaus?

00:54:47.000 Just more saliva, I'm afraid.

00:54:50.000 Let's have a look at some of the moments of Davos from which we can most learn.

00:54:52.000 And let me know in the chat if you already know who the hero of Davos was.

00:54:56.000 Who did the Golden Globes Ricky Gervais at Davos?

00:54:58.000 Let's get into it.

00:54:59.000 We are on the way to a new order, so we are between orders.

00:55:03.000 So there was an old world order.

00:55:04.000 We're heading to a new world order.

00:55:05.000 You know, people don't like that phrase.

00:55:07.000 And it's also not good to say that phrase when you're literally in front of a 666 that can easily be discerned in the World Economic Forum's logo.

00:55:14.000 See if you can spot it.

00:55:15.000 Do you agree with that?

00:55:16.000 Or are there ways of what are we able to keep on the positive side from the old order to bring into a new world order?

00:55:26.000 And how can we avoid that that new world order becomes like a jungle growing back and we rather have order

00:55:34.000 based on international law and the principles that have brought us prosperity and freedom for

00:55:41.000 decades.

00:55:42.000 That's the conversations being held with Joe Biden's national security advisor and it's almost

00:55:47.000 as if they're completely unaware that the phrase new world order has garnered some negative attention

00:55:52.000 in the last few years.

00:55:54.000 Our conversation with Glenn Greenwald's really interesting.

00:55:57.000 He said, what we are in now is an era, not like a hundred years ago, where plutocrats like Rockefeller and Rothschilds would send dollar bills out of their limousine into the hands of peasants gathered outside.

00:56:07.000 Now, with the militarization of the police force, anti-protest laws, online surveillance laws steadily gaining a pace, now The globalists are starting to recognize, you can openly say, New World Order, we're in charge.

00:56:19.000 We've got automation.

00:56:20.000 We've got AI.

00:56:21.000 There's enough power coalescing for our opinions to no longer be that significant.

00:56:26.000 Just simply eat your bugs, own nothing, and be happy.

00:56:29.000 We are, you know, the post-Cold War era has come to a close.

00:56:33.000 We're at the start of something new.

00:56:35.000 We have the capacity to shape what that looks like.

00:56:39.000 And at the heart of it will be many of the core principles and core institutions That's good, because we don't want to radically alter any of those systems that seem to be forming a yoke across the shoulders of many of the world's people, making us feel that we're living in total spiritual decline, watching the infrastructure of our nations fall apart, a kind of total existential crisis where meaning seems to have been totally extracted.

00:57:03.000 We want to protect those institutions of power at all costs.

00:57:06.000 Adapted for the challenges that we face today, and that's a lot of what I tried to lay out in my remarks.

00:57:13.000 Some of that goes to geopolitics and how we build or update the international economic order in ways that address the needs of working people, address the climate crisis.

00:57:23.000 The needs of working people always a priority.

00:57:25.000 Here's...

00:57:26.000 Tedros Ghebreyesus talking about the WHO treaty which will give unprecedented power to the WHO and how you can be protected from the mysterious disease X. And then the other key in order to have better prepared and to address the disease X is the pandemic agreement.

00:57:44.000 The pandemic agreement can bring all the experience, all the challenges that we have faced and all the solutions into one.

00:57:52.000 All of them.

00:57:52.000 Will it bring the information about excess deaths that many of us crave?

00:57:55.000 Will we talk about adverse injuries that may have been caused by some of the medications?

00:57:59.000 Will we be talking about the efficiency of lockdown measures?

00:58:02.000 Will we be talking about the impact of lockdowns on the psychology of young people?

00:58:07.000 The impact of lockdowns on businesses and existing cancer and heart care patients?

00:58:10.000 Or will we simply be saying There's another pandemic.

00:58:13.000 Get in your houses and take this medication that Bill Gates and his mates have invented.

00:58:16.000 It sounds like that, doesn't it?

00:58:17.000 Even though Tedros actually seems like a sweet person and doesn't have the same glow of evil that seems to surround many of the participants at Davos, I still have some concerns about bringing all that experience together when it was such a bloody awful experience.

00:58:31.000 And that agreement can help us to prepare for the future in a better way, because this is about a common enemy.

00:58:41.000 You?

00:58:41.000 Yes.

00:58:42.000 You're the common enemy!

00:58:43.000 Or depending on how you look at it, they are the common enemy.

00:58:46.000 And without a shared response?

00:58:49.000 Starting from the preparedness?

00:58:52.000 You know, we will face the same problem as Covid.

00:58:56.000 And deadline for the pandemic agreement is May 2024.

00:59:00.000 Put it in your diary, sign some petitions, because that's what democracy is now, signing a petition online.

00:59:07.000 And member states are negotiating, this is between countries.

00:59:11.000 And I hope they will deliver this pandemic agreement by that time, on the deadline.

00:59:18.000 That pandemic agreement, just to remind you, includes clauses such as your country, if it's a member, will give 5% of their health budget to the WHO.

00:59:28.000 If the WHO say there will be lockdowns, there will be lockdowns.

00:59:31.000 If they say a certain medication will be mandated, it will be mandated.

00:59:31.000 No discussion.

00:59:35.000 None of what I'm saying is untrue.

00:59:37.000 I wish it was.

00:59:38.000 I wish they were right with the misinformation thing and the Wikipedia link to what great work they do at Davos.

00:59:43.000 I wish that was correct.

00:59:44.000 It would be a lot easier for me and, frankly, my children.

00:59:47.000 Unfortunately, I'm simply passing on information to you that I know to be true.

00:59:50.000 Oppose them.

00:59:51.000 Another organisation that we've come to regard as somewhat suspicious and to view with a good degree of necessary cynicism is NATO.

00:59:58.000 What are NATO actually doing?

01:00:00.000 Are they a vital organ of world peace or are they constantly agitating Vladimir Putin into war?

01:00:06.000 And he doesn't seem to be a person who requires a great deal of agitation.

01:00:09.000 He seems pretty up for it, doesn't he?

01:00:10.000 Let's face it.

01:00:11.000 Here is Jens Stoltenberg, the head of NATO, at the WEF, telling you, literally, why war is peace.

01:00:17.000 Now, if any of you are students of George Orwell, and I know I am, you'll be familiar with the Orwellian trope that language and its meaning will become reversed.

01:00:26.000 War is peace. 0.96

01:00:27.000 Peace is war.

01:00:28.000 Bad is good. 0.96

01:00:29.000 Good is bad.

01:00:30.000 That is a kind of giddying and disorienting philological trick that we are being subject to even as we speak.

01:00:37.000 Watch it happen in real time.

01:00:38.000 Watch someone tell you that there has to be war in order to get peace.

01:00:43.000 It's so weird.

01:00:43.000 If we want that to happen, a peaceful just end to this war, the way to get there are more or is more weapons to Ukraine.

01:00:52.000 So the more credible we are in our military support, the more likely it is that the diplomats will succeed.

01:00:58.000 You have to give more weapons to Ukraine to continue the war, to get peace. 0.58

01:01:01.000 Peace is on the other side of war.

01:01:03.000 The missiles go in and they explode all of that war, and underneath all of that war is peace. 0.99

01:01:08.000 So you might think, if you're an idiot, that giving money to Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, that there might be some other agenda behind that. 0.98

01:01:14.000 What if the Pentagon failing six consecutive audits and two trillion dollars are seemingly wasted in Afghanistan? 1.00

01:01:19.000 Wasted?

01:01:20.000 What, it's so much nicer now than before the Afghanistan war. 0.96

01:01:22.000 Do you remember before the Afghanistan war?

01:01:23.000 All of that Afghanistan up in your grill, wasn't it? 1.00

01:01:27.000 Afghanistan.

01:01:27.000 But since that two trillion dollars of your money was spent, it's much better.

01:01:31.000 So you see, war equals peace. 0.98

01:01:34.000 See?

01:01:34.000 Do you see it now?

01:01:35.000 Maybe you didn't go to university.

01:01:36.000 What it is, is you don't understand globalism. 1.00

01:01:37.000 It's because you're stupid. 1.00

01:01:38.000 You're probably, what, do you vote for Brexit and Donald Trump? 1.00

01:01:40.000 You're stupid. 1.00

01:01:41.000 You've not understood stuff. 1.00

01:01:42.000 War, it's all people. 1.00

01:01:43.000 You're in a war, look.

01:01:44.000 I'm just dozing off.

01:01:45.000 I'm so... War, more money for atheists. 1.00

01:01:49.000 Do you understand it now?

01:01:50.000 You just don't get it. 1.00

01:01:51.000 You're a bloody conspiracy theorist. 0.94

01:01:53.000 Another thing they seem pretty keen on over at Davos is to get biometric data, isn't it? 0.96

01:01:57.000 They're not happy unless they know what your DNA is doing, and lately your DNA may be doing some pretty unusual stuff!

01:02:02.000 Some of the stories I've read prove to be true, and it's possible that they will.

01:02:05.000 But for now, let's get your DNA all nice and stored, all of your biometric data, Why?

01:02:10.000 Because in order to open an account you need to have an ID.

01:02:11.000 more safe just to provide you a convenient... have you noticed that? The way that the establishment

01:02:14.000 works? They're always just thinking what's convenient for them now? Is it convenient to

01:02:17.000 be locked in your house for a couple of years to miss your cancer medication and for your child to

01:02:22.000 forget how to read? Well, some more convenience coming! Why?

01:02:25.000 Because in order to open an account you need to have an ID. Right. And I have to say that when

01:02:30.000 we when I started this job there were actually very little countries in Africa or Latin America

01:02:36.000 that had one ubiquitous type of ID and And certainly that it was digital, and certainly that it

01:02:42.000 was biometric.

01:02:42.000 And now we've really worked with all our partners to actually help that being, I mean, to grow this.

01:02:49.000 Help Africa!

01:02:50.000 Get it up there! 0.92

01:02:50.000 Get it up there into biometric data. 0.92

01:02:52.000 Do you think when sort of funding from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation crops up in some part of India or some African nation thing, helps are coming?

01:03:00.000 What I've learned, getting perspective from people inside those former colonial territories, they don't want that type of help.

01:03:05.000 What it seems to be is, are you hungry?

01:03:08.000 Your economy in trouble?

01:03:09.000 Right, good.

01:03:09.000 We'll give you some money as long as you comply and help us do this sort of study on biometric data which, by the way, we will be implementing in a western country down the road saying, oh it worked really well when we did it in this place in Africa where they had no bloody choice because they wouldn't give you any medication or food if you didn't participate.

01:03:24.000 That's what that gesture means.

01:03:26.000 Do it yourself! 0.70

01:03:27.000 I've got to save some Africans! 1.00

01:03:29.000 And the interesting part of it is that, you know, yes, it is very necessary for financial services.

01:03:35.000 Not just financial services.

01:03:36.000 Yes, we could debank you.

01:03:37.000 Yes, we could shut down your finances.

01:03:39.000 But that's not the extent of our power.

01:03:40.000 We could stop you traveling, getting on trains, going anywhere, consuming goods.

01:03:43.000 All of these things are possible if you have control of people's data.

01:03:46.000 Don't worry about what Edward Snowden said.

01:03:47.000 He's just safely relaxing in Russia now.

01:03:49.000 Don't worry about the revelations of Julian Assange.

01:03:51.000 Put that all out of your mind as if you've just participated in an indigenous ceremony.

01:03:55.000 Poof! 0.99

01:03:57.000 And had all your memories blown away.

01:03:59.000 But not only.

01:04:00.000 It's also good for school enrolment, it's also good for health, who actually got a vaccination or not.

01:04:06.000 Oh you didn't get a vaccination?

01:04:07.000 Oh your kids aren't at school?

01:04:08.000 You're not an obedient little prisoner of the state.

01:04:11.000 Poof! 0.99

01:04:12.000 It's very good to actually to get your subsidies, you know, from the government.

01:04:16.000 Did you want that subsidy?

01:04:17.000 Yes, please.

01:04:19.000 So this has not only effect to the financial services.

01:04:22.000 It's a very important issue.

01:04:24.000 One person, of course, bucked the trend of Davos by turning up there with some minerals, with some stones and with some lyrics.

01:04:31.000 Even if you don't entirely agree with Javier Millet's solution to global problems, it's pretty clear that he's taking an oppositional stance to the general flow of information from those alpine peaks.

01:04:41.000 Good afternoon.

01:04:43.000 Thank you very much.

01:04:46.000 Today I'm here to tell you that the Western world is in danger.

01:04:53.000 Unfortunately, in recent decades, motivated by some well-meaning individuals willing to help others, and others motivated by the wish to belong to a privileged caste.

01:05:07.000 Jeffrey Epstein, he's your friend!

01:05:09.000 You did it!

01:05:09.000 I didn't!

01:05:10.000 You did it!

01:05:10.000 Shut the f...

01:05:12.000 The main leaders of the Western world have abandoned the model of freedom for different versions of what we call collectivism.

01:05:19.000 We're here to tell you that collectivist experiments are never the solution to the problems that afflict the citizens of the world.

01:05:29.000 Rather, they are the root cause.

01:05:31.000 him off. He's ruining my party. This is my birthday party.

01:05:36.000 Lord, the cat is upset.

01:05:37.000 My saliva's drying up. Get him off the stage. Ixnay with the anti-globalism-ay.

01:05:43.000 Now I happen to be a person that's quite sympathetic to indigenous cultures, shamanism,

01:05:48.000 accessing the great and divine mysteries that undoubtedly lie the material world, that demonstrate

01:05:53.000 perhaps that we're all connected by a limitless consciousness and perhaps consciousness preceded

01:05:57.000 matter and through ceremony and ritual we can access these deep powers.

01:06:00.000 What I also think though is people at Davos don't care about that stuff and they just want to look sort of a bit woke and like they care about indigenous people when we all know they have an agenda that's about the preservation and protection of power and increasing dominion rather than how can we help the native people of Guamala?

01:06:19.000 What she's praying there is, I hope Larry Fink and Blackrock don't discover that my forest could be turned into natural assets and sold on the stock market, because if they do, they will do it.

01:06:29.000 We've got a video coming on that soon. In a couple of years we've gone from social distancing rules,

01:06:45.000 which we now know were made up, to having someone blow directly into the mouths of every single

01:06:51.000 delegate attending the WEF in an attempt to seem like they care about indigenous people whose lands

01:06:56.000 they would happily claim in an instant if they thought there was a dollar bill in it somewhere,

01:07:00.000 particularly if they had a good ESG score.

01:07:03.000 You're not getting COVID.

01:07:05.000 You're not getting COVID.

01:07:07.000 You know.

01:07:07.000 Do you mind if I do?

01:07:11.000 Oh, okay.

01:07:13.000 What that would be about, that incantation and that ceremony, would be about achieving some sort of cohesion, unity and good faith and being of service to the highest good, wouldn't it?

01:07:21.000 If you read an analysis of what that ceremony represents.

01:07:23.000 May this debate bring about the highest good.

01:07:25.000 May the spirits that inform all material reality be present with us today.

01:07:29.000 They don't care about that.

01:07:30.000 They already know what Davos is going to mean.

01:07:32.000 Davos is going to mean can rich, powerful institutions and interests carry on doing what they've always done without it ever appearing terrible?

01:07:39.000 So that's what they're doing when claiming to care about the planet and the world.

01:07:41.000 So the whole thing is like a ludicrous pantomime.

01:07:44.000 I am actually quite reverential and respectful and excited and interested in a variety of cultures and I believe in them and value them.

01:07:51.000 What appalls me is that you would just trot someone out to blow on people's foreheads before doubling down on, yeah that's why we need to mandate vaccinations, that's why there needs to be 15 minute cities, that's why people should have their biometric data stored.

01:08:03.000 It's a total and utter farce.

01:08:06.000 So what would you expect from Davos?

01:08:08.000 People saying that you need a form of social credit scoring?

01:08:10.000 People telling you there's a new world order coming?

01:08:12.000 Perhaps a one or two dissenting voices?

01:08:15.000 A ceremony that exploits the cultural history of a group of people that would be ground up into powder if they thought they'll be useful in the manufacture of cell phones?

01:08:23.000 An advocacy for a WHO treaty that will mean less freedom, less democracy, and more expenditure coming directly out of your pocket and in To theirs.

01:08:32.000 So is globalism a good thing about the preservation and protection of this planet?

01:08:36.000 Or is WEF and the globalism that it espouses a means for continuing, as that delegate said, with the old institutions in a slightly new tweaked way and ensuring that national democracy and independent individual sovereignty never have a chance of being expressed?

01:08:50.000 That's what I believe.

01:08:53.000 But that's just what I think.

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