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00:00:13.000We're also, when we're exclusively on Rumble, going to be discussing the nature of modern censorship with Candice and the obvious need for the protection of free speech and how we bring our personal morality to the complex subject of free speech.
00:00:29.000We're gonna be talking about Bill Gates and lab-grown food.
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00:00:50.000But now I'm excited and you will be too if you saw our previous conversation because I'm going to be talking to political commentator, host of the Candice podcast, producer and narrator of the new docuseries, Convicting a Murderer on The Daily Wire, the very great, always intriguing, limitlessly confrontational Candice Owens.
00:01:18.000I really just was very excited about doing this podcast because I had such a fun time with you because at the time we were on such opposite sides of the totem pole, but you were just so kind, such great energy.
00:01:30.000And I just said to myself, he's going to drift a little away from being a hammer and sickle communist because he's just too happy.
00:01:58.000Some great things could happen for me after this.
00:02:00.000I am glad that I have this apotropaic quality in your life, that I bring you love and good fortune, Candice.
00:02:07.000There's a word I don't get to say too frequently.
00:02:11.000And yet I find that we are already at a point of conflict because I noticed that you thread I did your first announcement, for that's what it was, with the idea that I've somehow been seduced into a political and cultural space that you long knew that I would inertly wander into.
00:02:27.000And I tell you now, I always believed in freedom.
00:02:32.000I've always been pro the rights of the individuals and the rights of the community.
00:02:36.000I've always been opposed to corporate power and to the combination of states and corporations against the people.
00:02:42.000And I've always believed that when it comes to cultural issues, We must be allowed to form our own opinions and identities and I don't think I was ever a hammer and sickle communist.
00:02:51.000Although I do remember some marvellous moments when you were in our studio, it was the other studio then, and he goes, and what's going to happen?
00:03:31.000But I would definitely say that you've As we all have developed over the years, and it was a wonderful interview.
00:03:38.000And I think one of the things that you definitely have always been open to is conversation, even with people that you disagree with.
00:03:43.000So I totally understand the success and why people are totally obsessed with your podcast now and everything that you're doing, because you're just an interesting person to listen to.
00:03:54.000You're really lovely to say that to me.
00:03:57.000Now, when I talk about sort of aspects of socialism. I think it's important to understand
00:04:03.000that what I'm interested in is compassion and kindness in politics. Actually, beyond
00:04:09.000that, love. How do we have systems that are able to convey quite basic spiritual principles, I would
00:04:17.000say, that are common in Christianity and Islam and all great and minor faiths when we look beyond
00:04:25.000the kind of cultural divisions that can can easily arise from religion.
00:04:30.000What it offers us, I think, is the opportunity to infuse our systems of government and control with And emotional and spiritual quality.
00:04:39.000I feel that what we're living in now in this sort of semi, it's not right to say nihilistic because there is so much charge when it comes to meaning in our political space.
00:04:50.000But what there is a lack of, I believe, is spirit and kindness That everywhere we look, there is kind of deception, there is hatred, there is a lack of real vision.
00:05:01.000And I would say that that's prevalent throughout the mainstream, whether it's on the purported left or right.
00:05:08.000What kind of advances have you noticed?
00:05:10.000What kind of changes have you noticed?
00:05:11.000Where do you look optimistically on the intervening years since our conversation?
00:05:17.000Where can you say, well, this has improved, this has gotten better?
00:05:21.000Well, so I think one of our differences, which we had early on and I think we still hold, is I actually don't look for compassion and emotion in politics.
00:05:29.000I think that it actually needs to be extracted from politics.
00:05:32.000And I think that part of the reason is that we've moved away from logic and reason and objectiveness and more towards emotion and compassion, which is subjective, and that's why
00:06:17.000I've been talking about this on my show for four years.
00:06:19.000You know, women are we are naturally more emotional than men.
00:06:21.000I hate to say Pretend that there are biological differences between men and women, but there are, and that emotion is a wonderful thing when it comes to caretaking and nurturing and raising children.
00:06:31.000But I think in the political realm, we often have our emotions hijacked, and when they are hijacked, it can yield great evil.
00:06:41.000And I think we're in a circumstance where there's a lot of emotion being hijacked and yielding great evil.
00:06:46.000I agree with you that logic and rationalism are necessary for logistics, operations and organisation.
00:06:55.000You can't organise a society based on, I feel very jealous, or I feel very joyful, or I feel very sad.
00:07:03.000But when creating a vision, there has to be an emotional component.
00:07:08.000There has to be an acknowledgement that That humanity has some value.
00:07:14.000That we are not just material blobs fighting for individual survival and making necessary pacts with one another whether that's on a global scale or a communal scale or just the interrelationship between two people for our shared and mutual survival.
00:07:31.000I don't think that emotion is a basis for government, but it is the place from where
00:07:39.000we need to derive our vision. I don't think that it's in any way ridiculous to suggest that kindness
00:07:47.000ought to be a part of politics. I also have to say, because I recognise what you're disputing
00:07:51.000and contesting there, I think many of the people that purport to be advocating for kindness and
00:07:56.000compassion and for example, rights of previously or currently maligned groups, are actually not
00:08:03.000doing that at all. They're using those ideas to mask the same kind of corporatism, authoritarianism,
00:08:11.000ability to censor, ability to surveil, ability to shut down, that has always characterised
00:08:19.000authoritarianism, whether it's from the right or the left, or these new emergent terms like
00:08:24.000centralist and peripheral. There's no question that, call them a leftist government if you will,
00:08:31.000although it doesn't fit with my terminology, the current American administration are an
00:08:35.000authoritarian administration. They're about the imposition of power and control, even the way
00:08:40.000that the war is discussed, the conversation around the pandemic, the shaming of people that won't
00:08:47.000align with their perspective on culturally.
00:09:16.000What we're seeing right now is this authoritarian government across the world that are pretending to care about people, compassion, you know, wear a mask, save lives.
00:09:25.000Well, how could you not want to save lives?
00:09:26.000If you don't want to wear a mask, then you're a horrible person and you're trying to kill everybody.
00:09:30.000And that's why I really think it's important to steel yourself against that sort of a manipulation.
00:09:35.000And when you speak about that, though, They kind of frame you as a harsher person, which is something that I've definitely suffered in the media, is that this hardening of Candace Owens doesn't have a heart.
00:09:48.000And I'm very fearful of government encroaching into our personal lives.
00:09:53.000And I had done everything to insulate my family from that.
00:09:57.000And the best way to do that is to tether people to their brains and, you know, not saying more than their hearts, but just to remember that you do have a brain and you should use it.
00:10:23.000I think you enjoy saying controversial things.
00:10:27.000That's sort of my assessment of you but I believe that all of those things are possible within joy and good humour and of course within the parameters of accepting that you have had a completely different life to me.
00:10:37.000You're completely entitled to entirely different political perspective and in any kind of democracy worthy of the name you would accept and embrace those differences.
00:10:46.000Now last time we were talking We spoke a lot about populism in the most sort of common and broad terms.
00:10:53.000Brexit regarded to be a sort of an emergence of a nationalist populism in my country.
00:10:58.000Trump commonly regarded as a sort of an outlier in a new type of populism.
00:11:03.000But in a sense, these markers don't hold up to scrutiny because across Europe prior to Brexit, there were numerous populist movements in response to the 2008 financial crash.
00:11:12.000in your country, protest movements like Occupy, which I grant you was a truly global movement,
00:11:18.000as that financial crash was also global. Would you argue now that populism and those populist
00:11:24.000events - Trump, Brexit - were not anomalies, but in fact the new normal? That what we're witnessing
00:11:30.000is a kind of an end of at least a strong appetite for a different type of politics?
00:11:37.000Just one conversational example. I think that Ron DeSantis, who's been a guest on our show,
00:11:42.000I'm sure you've spoken to him and found him to be a delightful man.
00:11:44.000I understand his suffering in the polls because he is too much like a regular politician in a media landscape where what people want now are Accessible, personable, identifiably and the establishment figures like Donald Trump and let's take for the sake of this conversation the emergent forces of Vivek Ramaswamy who I know you're very fond of and RFK whose populism and popularity at least is another marker of change.
00:12:15.000Yeah, you know, I think for me personally, the reason why I said from the very beginning it didn't matter how much money that Ron DeSantis had, that his campaign was going to be a flop and that prognostication has proven true, it's not necessarily because he seems too much like a politician.
00:12:30.000It's because there's something about him that feels like he kind of checks which way the wind is going, and maybe checks with his
00:13:59.000So, yeah, I guess you could say that that could be something that has to do with the populist movement and people are naturally distrusting.
00:14:19.000If I was living in Florida, I'd try to vote for him 10 times if I could, but I never thought that he was going to be able to have the same success nationally.
00:14:27.000Well, it wouldn't be possible to vote 10 times because, as you know, there are no problems with voting in Florida.
00:14:34.000It's one vote per living human being has been well established for a long time now.
00:14:42.000I think it's not just about like oratory, but just authenticity more is what people appear to be craving now, Candice, that people are sort of starting to sense that our sanitized, empty, hollow political rhetoric isn't leading anywhere. Another thing, because you sort of,
00:15:00.000I guess it's fair to say that your position is generally a conservative, how do you feel when
00:15:06.000issues such as free speech and a broad and general anti-war stance appear to now have become
00:15:17.000There's been this extraordinary flip where the liberal, peacenik, cultural revolution, let it all hang out, let's smoke a doobie man party has become the party of have a war, don't question a war, don't talk about potential peaceful or diplomatic solutions.
00:15:35.000And obviously when it comes to censorship, the liberal democratic left It appears more sensorial based on the relationships that have been demonstrated between them and the social media sites, for example, and their use of various deep state agencies to control narratives.
00:15:51.000And in fact, excuse me, just the continuum of censorship across successive administrations, Snowden onwards, you know.
00:15:58.000So, when values like free speech and anti-war can become untethered from one side of the political aisle, what does that do to your position?
00:16:11.000And do you think it's a fair assessment to just acknowledge that these changes have taken place?
00:16:17.000What I would say is the right is still very much pro-war, as well.
00:16:21.000I mean, I think we saw this in the Republican debate stage, where how many people were saying you had Pence, you had Nikki Haley.
00:16:27.000And this is why we talk about the military-industrial complex, because it encompasses the left and the right.
00:16:31.000But speaking outside of the political players and just to the individuals, yeah.
00:16:35.000I think what's happened, because I've tried to actually assess it, is People that are left-leaning have actually always been emotional.
00:16:43.000And so what's happened, though, is the emotional arguments are now being transpired to make them support things that they've never supported in the past, right?
00:16:51.000So it still works, you know, if you're saying, you know, end the war in Vietnam.
00:17:18.000I would say the media has grown just increasingly so focused on emotions all the time that they're not even thinking.
00:17:25.000It's just, how could you not feel bad for the Ukrainian children?
00:17:28.000How could you be so awful that you don't want to send billions?
00:17:30.000Who cares if there's no accounting and it's kind of going into a black hole and we're giving less to the people that are in Maui?
00:17:38.000You know, it's your job to constantly care about something.
00:17:41.000Here is the current thing that you need to care about.
00:17:44.000That's really interesting because it makes you wonder if there's any actual principles present at all.
00:17:51.000My position on being anti-war is surely at this point in evolution we must be able to come to peaceful solutions.
00:17:59.000Surely this is our duty and I would say that whether it's the Iraq War, Afghanistan War, Vietnam War, Korean War, current war between Russia and Ukraine.
00:18:07.000And in all of those wars, the death of civilians and children of all creeds and nationalities is appalling.
00:18:14.000When it comes to the subject of free speech, when we were talking in the 1960s or whatever about civil rights movement, pro-women, gay, different ethnic minorities or cultural groups, when it was them spearheading that cultural movement, their free speech was important.
00:18:28.000And now I think free speech is... I mean, what the point of principles is, is they transcend an immediate agenda.
00:18:44.000And it seems that what's happened is that war has become packaged in quite unique ways.
00:18:49.000And I agree with your analysis that it's emotionally packaged, but what it appears, the genuine power behind it appears to be an ulterior or transcendent power, depending on your perspective, and specifically the military-industrial complex, are able to Make sure that the American project remains a military one for economic rather than ideological reasons.
00:19:12.000And I reckon, I suppose, that that's a rational discourse and a rational analysis.
00:19:17.000But for me, it comes from an emotional place because I think it isn't right to kill people and use violence as a way to resolve disputes.
00:19:26.000So it's sort of a fusion of both emotion And rationale, because rationale can lead to genocide, brutality, and so can emotion.
00:19:35.000So, yeah, I wonder what you thought about that little moral snake's nest I flung your way.
00:19:40.000No, I actually, I totally agree with you, and this is why I was staunchly against, even from the very beginning, day one, it's like we just pulled out of Afghanistan, now you're telling us that we need to all focus on Ukraine, and the American mindset is kind of being set to believe that we constantly have to be worrying about everybody else's problems, right?
00:19:58.000that if you say, "Okay, we have plenty of problems here "on our own, why don't we focus on those,"
00:20:02.000that you're somehow rotten and you're somehow backwards.
00:20:04.000And again, there's no accounting for it.
00:20:06.000As you think about, you've got IRS agents that can, God forbid you send $200 on PayPal,
00:20:12.000you know, you can be fined by the IRS.
00:20:13.000I can log into my bank account and I can see every single charge,
00:20:16.000but we have no idea where billions of dollars are going into a black hole.
00:20:20.000And it's very obvious that there are kickbacks and this is why the politicians
00:20:57.000I don't necessarily think that people in Iran and Iraq have to enjoy the way that I live or the way that I dress or the freedom that I want to express.
00:21:05.000And so they use this moral policing argument, and you saw this on the debate stage.
00:21:10.000It's one of the reasons that I would never vote for Nikki Haley, why Mike Pence I would not vote for, is because they say, no, it is our job, and they use these Cold War arguments, and this is why we must do this, and, you know, Russia could become the Soviet Union again, when, in fact, it's us that has military boots all across the world.
00:21:27.000It's us that's actually encroaching into other people's territory, and people are completely delusional about that fact.
00:21:34.000And when you say it, You know, you're public enemy number one, but I've been public enemy number one and two and three for a while now, so it's okay.
00:22:42.000Candice, so what do you think about the role of YouTube in regulating and censoring content?
00:22:47.000Do you think they've just become another arm of the mainstream?
00:22:50.000And also, I still want to take issue about saying that my children are surprisingly beautiful, rather than predictably beautiful, on the basis of a beautiful, two beautiful parents.
00:23:01.000Your children are shockingly beautiful.
00:23:03.000I know there's no pictures of them in the public sphere, but I did run into you in the UK and at some hotel,
00:23:08.000and they are shockingly beautiful children.
00:23:11.000Like, they're just really stunningly beautiful.
00:23:13.000You're kind of like, you see them, and it just kind of blows you away.
00:23:16.000I'm not saying that you're not a shockingly beautiful man, but I am saying that any person that saw your children
00:23:25.000would be like, "Wow, these kids are positively stunning."
00:23:28.000They should be on, I don't know, the cover of magazines.
00:23:31.000They're just, they look like glass dolls is the only way that I can describe it to people.
00:23:34.000I'm like, have you ever seen Russell Brand's children?
00:24:18.000And what's really surprising in your earlier question about whether or not they're pushing mainstream talking points, I think it's much more nefarious than that.
00:25:47.000And I don't understand what two gay men wanting to be in a relationship has anything to do with my children being enrolled in a school and needing to learn about, you know, 26,000 genders that don't exist.
00:25:58.000What do you imagine is the agenda of those you oppose?
00:26:00.000Hill to die on. So, you know, the YouTube censorship surrounding that topic makes me
00:26:24.000That's not the sort of thing that I would ever do.
00:26:26.000If someone wants me to say something, you know, the same way as I call someone mister or doctor or whatever, if they ask me to, someone says, call me like whatever I'm like, it's for me.
00:26:36.000Just because of that principle of kindness that I've previously mentioned.
00:26:39.000With regard to this issue, are you saying that you believe that paedophilia, obviously I think we've both agreed that paedophilia is distinct and separate from other forms of, it's a matter of abuse because it's a matter of consent, children can't offer consent, they're too young, it's just plain and simple abuse.
00:27:00.000So What do you think is culturally happening?
00:27:04.000Do you think pedophilia is being normalized, and to what end?
00:27:08.000Yeah, it absolutely is being normalized.
00:27:10.000They've already come up with another term for it.
00:27:12.000You're seeing college professors say that it's this push that it should be called minor attracted people, that the word pedophilia is not something that should be used.
00:27:39.000Teach my children arithmetic, teach them hard academics, you know?
00:27:43.000And it's not about being accepting because you have children.
00:27:46.000Could you imagine if every single thing that they said you wanted to affirm?
00:27:49.000I literally yesterday woke up and my son said he wanted to drive the big car.
00:27:54.000Yeah, it's important to tell my child, no, he can't drive a car.
00:27:58.000And so by trying to assign to say to kids, you actually are smart enough and you do have the autonomy separate from your parents to make decisions.
00:28:34.000You've got to let them do whatever they want. I was also, what do I want to say there? What
00:28:40.000I feel is reasonable when educating, firstly, I would say this.
00:28:45.000The parents of children should be in charge of the way that those children are educated, and whether that's traditional or progressive should be a matter for the parent to determine.
00:30:35.000We should be able to acknowledge that.
00:30:36.000And that's always been the circumstance.
00:30:38.000Women are drawn to certain categories.
00:30:40.000that men are not drawn to, the way that men bond is different than the way that women bond.
00:30:44.000These are, again, rules. Of course, there are exceptions.
00:30:47.000I'm sure there are some women that are absolutely crazy about sports and absolutely love sports.
00:30:51.000But to then say that because we have these exceptions and we're going to now pretend
00:30:55.000that all of society needs to pretend that everything is anomalous, that's when things get crazy.
00:31:00.000I mean, you think it's an act of compassion to if somebody comes to you and says, you know, I'm this to affirm them or to not to maybe not affirm them, but you're saying out of respect to, you know, play pretend in a certain way.
00:31:14.000And for me, that's offensive to me because what you're saying is I don't mind how you live, but when you tell me that how you live Now has to influence how I live and I have to pretend that reality doesn't exist.
00:31:26.000It's sort of like, you know, if you meet a person who's suffering from, I don't know, bipolarism or suffering from grand delusions and they come to you and, you know, they say something that is so obviously not true.
00:31:37.000But then they demand that you say that it is true.
00:31:43.000So if you want to go out and pretend that you're a woman And in, say, I'm, you know, I don't know what a Russell name would be, whatever it is, that's absolutely fine, but I don't have to pretend that you're a woman.
00:31:54.000I get to exist in the realm of reality, and so I find that to be weird when we're encroaching on people that are seeing things straight and as they are, and pretending that it's not kind if they don't want to play pretend.
00:32:06.000I'll play pretend with toddlers, I will, you know, but not with adults.
00:32:10.000Well, I suppose I see it as that around language there is an arbitrariness anyway when it comes to some of the terminology that's used.
00:32:22.000Language is convenience for identification and if Language has a different meaning to somebody because of the way that they feel, and I can make them feel better just by saying that.
00:32:32.000Like, for me, that's easy, and not that different from if someone had some sort of cultural tag that they would like me to apply, like, seigneur, monsieur, or, like, whatever.
00:32:44.000If someone says, like, for me, that identifies, you know, female or any form of identification, it just doesn't trouble me in that way.
00:32:52.000I'm sort of open to the type of analysis you apply to that, but I don't know what troubles you.
00:33:00.000Because calling me a birthing person, you're basically saying that I have to cease to exist so that men that have mental disorders can exist, right?
00:33:13.000Do you think calling me a birthing person, you've seen your wife be pregnant, you see what women go through.
00:33:18.000So the idea that I'm going to stop existing so that somebody can feel good in their head, it's just not who I am.
00:33:25.000I think it's very important to acknowledge the actual struggles that real biological women go through in the same way and the hurdles that they have to go through.
00:33:34.000And as we start diminishing language, which obviously is what's happening now, they're starting to say, you're a birthing person.
00:33:48.000And so I very much draw the line at that.
00:33:50.000And I'm very happy to be considered not compassionate or not emotional enough.
00:33:55.000And I think that the reason that movement has gotten so far and now you actually have men invading into women's spaces is because it started with one person saying, I'm just going to pretend to make you feel good.
00:34:05.000You just, reality has to remain reality.
00:34:07.000And I am very objective when it comes to those things.
00:34:10.000Okay, what I feel is like you said earlier about the norm should rule or the majority should rule and I started to feel that under scrutiny and analysis there are so many different taxonomies that are not really acknowledged.
00:34:26.000An obvious emergent one are the sort of subjects around gender identity that we've been discussing but it appears that there are just so many ways of being American, being a human being, And it appears to me that really what the ulterior force,
00:34:38.000the burgeoning force beneath this, which is not being addressed,
00:34:42.000is that there is nothing permanent or necessarily rational or logical
00:34:48.000about the idea of a nation state, about having communities of 300 million people
00:34:53.000or 60 million people under one government, that this in itself is an idea,
00:34:59.000and plainly it's an idea because there is no actual literal thing called France.
00:35:09.000And indeed, for hundreds of thousands of years, we evolved in smaller communities.
00:35:13.000Now, I'm not anti-progress or anti-technology or medicine or any of those great advances, but what I've started to suspect is that centralism, centralisation, authoritarianism, gargantuanism, whether that's in the corporate world or in the state, are ways that you can create elite strata
00:35:57.000And we all accept and marvel and enjoy the many different ways, like you said earlier, that people might, you know, you're happy if you go to Iran or Australia or Finland and find cultural distinctions, which I think is glorious.
00:36:10.000And in fact, a different kind of diversity.
00:36:13.000What I believe we're on some level protesting against is the homogenization of
00:36:17.000everything and this homogenization is happening for commerce, for commodity, for authoritarianism.
00:36:23.000It's not benefiting ordinary people. It's advancing elite interests and it's undemocratic and it's destroying the
00:36:30.000And people are sort of positioning it in extraordinary ways in order to facilitate it.
00:36:34.000So where do you think that democracy and the simple idea of people being able to run their own lives and run their own
00:36:40.000communities, as distinct from a kind of libertarianism that becomes
00:36:44.000ultimately, I don't know, sort of financial and a communal anti-community?
00:36:49.000How do you, what do you think about those type of ideas, dear Candice?
00:36:52.000Yeah, I actually totally agree with you, and that's actually what makes America quite unique, is that we have state rights, and so you can kind of choose your tribe.
00:37:00.000You know, I made—I decided to leave Washington, D.C., and leave—I was also living in Philadelphia for a while, because I realized that I don't identify with these people, I don't identify with the way that things are run, and I moved south.
00:37:10.000And it feels like I'm in a completely different country, just living here in Nashville, Tennessee, right?
00:37:17.000And it's all about finding your tribe.
00:37:19.000And you are correct that I think that we function better on a community level.
00:37:23.000And now my life is totally different, and it doesn't even reflect what you're seeing on the mainstream media, because they have no interest in the way that people are living in the South whatsoever, actually, if we're ever being talked about.
00:39:07.000It was, you know, it was no hard feelings.
00:39:09.000I just said, we actually don't allow that in our home.
00:39:11.000And I think she was quite surprised by that.
00:39:13.000But the concept of my child waking up in the middle of the night, baby, and you've got a person that looks like Bane from Batman looking over their crib, it's just not allowed in my house.
00:40:30.000Now, I want to talk to you a moment, Candice, that because you are such a troublemaker, because you can't even accept That Netflix have made a successful documentary about causing some bloody problem about it, making a murderer, which we all liked.
00:40:52.000Now you've made a new docu-series trying to ruin that for everyone else, haven't you?
00:40:58.000Trying to even unmask that, like that was a problem.
00:41:02.000Tell us about your new docuseries, Convicting a Murderer, and why you've done this, and why you're such a troublemaker.
00:41:10.000I have to say, one of the things that I'm fascinated about is just the psychology of propaganda, and we've all fell victim to it at one point in our lives.
00:41:18.000I mean, there are so many things that I believed when I was in high school, and now I know that those things simply aren't true, but I adamantly believed them in my soul.
00:41:25.000And so in my political career, or in my cultural career, however you want to spin that, I like the idea of a mass brainwashing that takes place because the media was able to present a piece.
00:41:37.000And so I obviously did the Black Lives Matter doc last year, and now Black Lives Matter is filed for Chapter 11, and people are starting to realize that I got really emotional and fired up about that.
00:41:45.000But, you know, before BLM and George Floyd, there was this Making a Murderer series, and for whatever reason, we trust documentaries more.
00:41:53.000Like, we just set our preset to, like, okay, the media might be lying, the news might be lying to me, but the documentary, they're documenting this, so this absolutely must be the truth.
00:42:01.000And the Stephen Avery case was absolutely fascinating.
00:42:25.000Oh, actually, I know she was the bad guy, but let me tell you why she has a soul.
00:42:28.000Joker, you know, actually, let's really tell the story of the villain, feel bad for the villain.
00:42:33.000But then when that happens in real life, like with the Stephen Avery case and making a murderer, when you are taking someone who, you know, threw a cat into the fire, abused animals, abused dogs, abused cats, abused women throughout his lifetime, and then kills a woman, And you say, as a documentary maker, how can we turn him into a sympathetic character?
00:42:54.000We're talking about something that has very serious implications.
00:42:58.000We're talking about a family that had to not just bury their daughter, Theresa Hallback, who was 22 years old and had her entire life ahead of her.
00:43:06.000And was fearful of this man, Stephen Avery, and who expressed her fear regarding this man, Stephen Avery.
00:43:17.000She was chopped into a million pieces.
00:43:19.000And then she was killed in the afterlife because two lesbian documentary makers from New York was like, this could be an interesting person to turn into a hero.
00:43:28.000And what happened was the celebrities seized this, all the usual characters.
00:43:32.000Alec Baldwin said, you know, the brother wasn't crying enough at the funeral.
00:43:36.000and created this monstrosity of this family getting harassed with conspiracy theories,
00:43:42.000some that the daughter wasn't even dead, that she was gone with the cows and in Mexico.
00:43:46.000It created a cult, you know, a fan base and people sending letters to Stephen Avery wanting to marry him in prison.
00:43:55.000This aspect of the media being able to turn villains into heroes when it comes to real life is very, very dangerous.
00:44:02.000And I'm very interested and I always want to expose it because the only way we conquer it is if we all realize that we're getting duped, you know, that we're playing a part in all of this.
00:44:14.000That's a fascinating perspective and take.
00:44:17.000Because I've always thought that, in a sense, a story that tells the Joker from a sort of semi-naturalistic and anti-hero perspective is an interesting are
00:44:52.000But I think in terms of the media, there's always been something more nefarious at play.
00:44:55.000I don't think it's a coincidence that all the late-night talk hosts made these documentary-maker stars, gave them Emmys, you know, and told them, yeah, absolutely, this could potentially be true, and decided not to look over the facts.
00:45:07.000There was one UK host, actually, who, from the very beginning, called those women out and said, you're not telling everything about the case, but his name, I can't think of right now.
00:45:15.000But I think for them, there was always an agenda, because in 2015, when this docuseries premiered, Making a Murderer, there was this sort of anti-police sentiment that was brewing, and they wanted to believe that the police, who are generally the good guys, were the bad guys.
00:45:30.000And we've seen how that's played up and how that's scaled over the years.
00:45:33.000And you see that when they were sitting down with Trevor Noah and these hosts on late-night talks.
00:45:38.000did his thing, and he's sort of said, "Oh, well, this is the one case where now white
00:45:42.000people can see how we've been, you know, how maybe potentially the criminal system is wrong
00:45:47.000and rotten and locking them up because of Stephen Avery,"
00:45:51.000And so it was also a way to racialize everything, which is bizarre, because Stephen Avery was
00:45:56.000a white guy, but to kind of drum up this narrative.
00:45:58.000So I think that there is always a nefarious political agenda and they seized upon this series to further divide people.
00:46:05.000And yeah, we're kind of seeing the consequences of that.
00:46:08.000But this is something that I'm just fascinated by.
00:46:11.000I just, I love to examine people's psychology and how easily we are routinely duped by the power of the mainstream media.
00:46:18.000What do you think is the significance of the success of a film like Sound of Freedom or the Emergence of Our Man, Oliver Antony, like these sort of, I won't use the phrase anti-hero after what we've just been discussing, but like new cultural voices that are not coming through the typical machinery, the media machinery, which of course have incumbent economic models and Certainly, you strongly believe a set of ideals that they are conveying through their cultural products.
00:46:47.000What do you think about the Sound of Freedom phenomena?
00:46:52.000It's amazing to see something that is truly anti-establishment have so much success.
00:46:58.000And I think we're seeing this, like you said, with Richmond, north of Richmond, that people, we're understanding how people are feeling.
00:47:07.000And I think that there is a moment, there is a shift that is happening culturally.
00:47:11.000I think people are no longer believing They're what they're reading and what they're seeing in the mainstream media.
00:47:17.000And that's in large part not just because of people like them, but people like you, podcast hosts that are getting millions and millions of views and subscribers stepping outside of the traditional model.
00:47:26.000And I think that infuriates the establishment.
00:47:29.000And it's why they've grown angrier and why they are encroaching even more on censorship and things of those nature, because they think if we can just stop these people from speaking, then we'll be able to regain control.
00:48:00.000No, I think Will Smith is a broken man, and I think when I watched his wife put him on Red Table Talk and talk about how she cheated on him with her son's friend, and he sat there like a puppy, I was watching a man.
00:48:15.000It was very sad, like a tail between the legs, something that you should never see happen for a man, and I think he was broken.
00:49:00.000Rich2054, what is your personal view of the Lahaina fires, the local federal government response, and what's your perspective on big stars doing campaigns to raise money for that?
00:49:13.000Obviously, the federal response has been abysmal, and when you weigh it against our response to Ukraine and the United effort to make us send money overseas, it should really shine a light on how corrupt the United States has become.
00:49:25.000I don't have any conspiracy theories to offer.
00:51:04.000Candice's new docu-series, Convicting a Murderer, which is seemingly made just to annoy people, is available on The Daily Wire, of course, and you can watch episode one on YouTube.
00:51:14.000Her podcast, Candice, is available now.