Stay Free - Russel Brand - Candace Owens on Politics, Censorship & Culture Wars

00:00:00.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:01.000 Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand for a fantastic show.

00:00:05.000 It's going to be beautiful and fascinating because we have a guest who can be described with both of those words.

00:00:12.000 It's Candice Owens.

00:00:13.000 We're also, when we're exclusively on Rumble, going to be discussing the nature of modern censorship with Candice and the obvious need for the protection of free speech and how we bring our personal morality to the complex subject of free speech.

00:00:27.000 In our item, here's the news.

00:00:28.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:00:29.000 We're gonna be talking about Bill Gates and lab-grown food.

00:00:33.000 It's not just synthetic meat grown in Petri dishes, a disturbing literal monstrosity, but now lab-grown fruit that, to me, I've seen some of it, it looks like boogers, and also lacquered fruit that are covered in some sort of Odd, diaphanous web that I find most disturbing.

00:00:50.000 But now I'm excited and you will be too if you saw our previous conversation because I'm going to be talking to political commentator, host of the Candice podcast, producer and narrator of the new docuseries, Convicting a Murderer on The Daily Wire, the very great, always intriguing, limitlessly confrontational Candice Owens.

00:01:13.000 Candice, how lovely to see you again.

00:01:16.000 It's so wonderful to be back.

00:01:18.000 I really just was very excited about doing this podcast because I had such a fun time with you because at the time we were on such opposite sides of the totem pole, but you were just so kind, such great energy.

00:01:30.000 And I just said to myself, he's going to drift a little away from being a hammer and sickle communist because he's just too happy.

00:01:37.000 He's just substantially happy.

00:01:41.000 It's been really great.

00:01:42.000 And also, Russell, I will never forget you.

00:01:44.000 You will always be a part of my love story because I met my husband right after I left your podcast that night.

00:01:51.000 So whenever people ask how we met, I'm like, I was three hours late to dinner with my husband because I was doing Russell Brand's podcast.

00:01:56.000 So I'll never forget you.

00:01:57.000 You're my good luck charm.

00:01:58.000 Some great things could happen for me after this.

00:02:00.000 I am glad that I have this apotropaic quality in your life, that I bring you love and good fortune, Candice.

00:02:07.000 There's a word I don't get to say too frequently.

00:02:11.000 And yet I find that we are already at a point of conflict because I noticed that you thread I did your first announcement, for that's what it was, with the idea that I've somehow been seduced into a political and cultural space that you long knew that I would inertly wander into.

00:02:27.000 And I tell you now, I always believed in freedom.

00:02:30.000 I've always been anti-establishment.

00:02:32.000 I've always been pro the rights of the individuals and the rights of the community.

00:02:36.000 I've always been opposed to corporate power and to the combination of states and corporations against the people.

00:02:42.000 And I've always believed that when it comes to cultural issues, We must be allowed to form our own opinions and identities and I don't think I was ever a hammer and sickle communist.

00:02:51.000 Although I do remember some marvellous moments when you were in our studio, it was the other studio then, and he goes, and what's going to happen?

00:02:58.000 Is everyone just going to get away?

00:03:00.000 And I remember you sort of skipping around the studio.

00:03:01.000 I thought, how can I continue to argue with this person?

00:03:04.000 She's just too charming.

00:03:06.000 And then you marched right out of there and got yourself married.

00:03:09.000 And we're both now, I think, three kids further down the line.

00:03:12.000 You've got a new human being entering the world, have you?

00:03:16.000 Yeah, nine more weeks left of this pregnancy.

00:03:18.000 This will be another boy.

00:03:19.000 I have a boy, a girl, and this one will be a boy.

00:03:21.000 So yeah, everything has just been wonderful.

00:03:23.000 But I do consider this my good luck podcast.

00:03:25.000 So I'm looking for some good fortune after this.

00:03:28.000 And yeah, I know I'm being a little hyperbolic.

00:03:30.000 You weren't fully hammer and sickle.

00:03:31.000 But I would definitely say that you've As we all have developed over the years, and it was a wonderful interview.

00:03:38.000 And I think one of the things that you definitely have always been open to is conversation, even with people that you disagree with.

00:03:43.000 So I totally understand the success and why people are totally obsessed with your podcast now and everything that you're doing, because you're just an interesting person to listen to.

00:03:52.000 I love watching Russell Bryan clips.

00:03:54.000 Thank you.

00:03:54.000 You're really lovely to say that to me.

00:03:57.000 Now, when I talk about sort of aspects of socialism. I think it's important to understand

00:04:03.000 that what I'm interested in is compassion and kindness in politics. Actually, beyond

00:04:09.000 that, love. How do we have systems that are able to convey quite basic spiritual principles, I would

00:04:17.000 say, that are common in Christianity and Islam and all great and minor faiths when we look beyond

00:04:25.000 the kind of cultural divisions that can can easily arise from religion.

00:04:30.000 What it offers us, I think, is the opportunity to infuse our systems of government and control with And emotional and spiritual quality.

00:04:39.000 I feel that what we're living in now in this sort of semi, it's not right to say nihilistic because there is so much charge when it comes to meaning in our political space.

00:04:50.000 But what there is a lack of, I believe, is spirit and kindness That everywhere we look, there is kind of deception, there is hatred, there is a lack of real vision.

00:05:01.000 And I would say that that's prevalent throughout the mainstream, whether it's on the purported left or right.

00:05:08.000 What kind of advances have you noticed?

00:05:10.000 What kind of changes have you noticed?

00:05:11.000 Where do you look optimistically on the intervening years since our conversation?

00:05:17.000 Where can you say, well, this has improved, this has gotten better?

00:05:21.000 Well, so I think one of our differences, which we had early on and I think we still hold, is I actually don't look for compassion and emotion in politics.

00:05:29.000 I think that it actually needs to be extracted from politics.

00:05:32.000 And I think that part of the reason is that we've moved away from logic and reason and objectiveness and more towards emotion and compassion, which is subjective, and that's why

00:05:40.000 it's problematic.

00:05:41.000 And emotion can yield to some really bad things. We've seen this over the years when people are

00:05:47.000 being so invested in their emotions that they're not thinking clearly. And actually, the people

00:05:51.000 that tend to seize control when people are emotional is the government. So I am very much

00:05:57.000 like how I feel doesn't actually matter.

00:05:59.000 We have to remain objective about these things.

00:06:01.000 And I was just having a conversation this morning with my in-laws about that.

00:06:05.000 They're overseas at the moment and talking about women and women in politics and why I don't know that it necessarily works all the time. 0.81

00:06:15.000 And I was talking about this.

00:06:17.000 I've been talking about this on my show for four years.

00:06:19.000 You know, women are we are naturally more emotional than men.

00:06:21.000 I hate to say Pretend that there are biological differences between men and women, but there are, and that emotion is a wonderful thing when it comes to caretaking and nurturing and raising children.

00:06:31.000 But I think in the political realm, we often have our emotions hijacked, and when they are hijacked, it can yield great evil.

00:06:41.000 And I think we're in a circumstance where there's a lot of emotion being hijacked and yielding great evil.

00:06:46.000 I agree with you that logic and rationalism are necessary for logistics, operations and organisation.

00:06:55.000 You can't organise a society based on, I feel very jealous, or I feel very joyful, or I feel very sad.

00:07:03.000 But when creating a vision, there has to be an emotional component.

00:07:08.000 There has to be an acknowledgement that That humanity has some value.

00:07:14.000 That we are not just material blobs fighting for individual survival and making necessary pacts with one another whether that's on a global scale or a communal scale or just the interrelationship between two people for our shared and mutual survival.

00:07:31.000 I don't think that emotion is a basis for government, but it is the place from where

00:07:39.000 we need to derive our vision. I don't think that it's in any way ridiculous to suggest that kindness

00:07:47.000 ought to be a part of politics. I also have to say, because I recognise what you're disputing

00:07:51.000 and contesting there, I think many of the people that purport to be advocating for kindness and

00:07:56.000 compassion and for example, rights of previously or currently maligned groups, are actually not

00:08:03.000 doing that at all. They're using those ideas to mask the same kind of corporatism, authoritarianism,

00:08:11.000 ability to censor, ability to surveil, ability to shut down, that has always characterised

00:08:19.000 authoritarianism, whether it's from the right or the left, or these new emergent terms like

00:08:24.000 centralist and peripheral. There's no question that, call them a leftist government if you will,

00:08:31.000 although it doesn't fit with my terminology, the current American administration are an

00:08:35.000 authoritarian administration. They're about the imposition of power and control, even the way

00:08:40.000 that the war is discussed, the conversation around the pandemic, the shaming of people that won't

00:08:47.000 align with their perspective on culturally.

00:08:50.000 I definitely agree with you.

00:08:59.000 I just think that I can arrive at the conclusion of our humanity logically.

00:09:03.000 I don't need emotions to do that.

00:09:04.000 I can logically deduce that we are human beings and that of course we shouldn't be doing things.

00:09:09.000 We shouldn't be imparting evil on individuals.

00:09:11.000 I don't It's not because of an emotional aspect, but I don't think that we should be imparting evil.

00:09:15.000 But yes, you're exactly right.

00:09:16.000 What we're seeing right now is this authoritarian government across the world that are pretending to care about people, compassion, you know, wear a mask, save lives.

00:09:25.000 Well, how could you not want to save lives? 0.82

00:09:26.000 If you don't want to wear a mask, then you're a horrible person and you're trying to kill everybody.

00:09:30.000 And that's why I really think it's important to steel yourself against that sort of a manipulation.

00:09:35.000 And when you speak about that, though, They kind of frame you as a harsher person, which is something that I've definitely suffered in the media, is that this hardening of Candace Owens doesn't have a heart.

00:09:45.000 It's not that I don't have a heart.

00:09:46.000 I just also have a brain.

00:09:48.000 And I'm very fearful of government encroaching into our personal lives.

00:09:53.000 And I had done everything to insulate my family from that.

00:09:57.000 And the best way to do that is to tether people to their brains and, you know, not saying more than their hearts, but just to remember that you do have a brain and you should use it.

00:10:06.000 I don't find you to be a hard person.

00:10:08.000 I think that you're actually a good deal of fun and that you're very bright and sparky and a joy to be around actually.

00:10:16.000 But I do think that you are a sort of deliberately iconoclastic.

00:10:20.000 I think you are Great provocateur.

00:10:23.000 I think you enjoy saying controversial things.

00:10:27.000 That's sort of my assessment of you but I believe that all of those things are possible within joy and good humour and of course within the parameters of accepting that you have had a completely different life to me.

00:10:37.000 You're completely entitled to entirely different political perspective and in any kind of democracy worthy of the name you would accept and embrace those differences.

00:10:46.000 Now last time we were talking We spoke a lot about populism in the most sort of common and broad terms.

00:10:53.000 Brexit regarded to be a sort of an emergence of a nationalist populism in my country.

00:10:58.000 Trump commonly regarded as a sort of an outlier in a new type of populism.

00:11:03.000 But in a sense, these markers don't hold up to scrutiny because across Europe prior to Brexit, there were numerous populist movements in response to the 2008 financial crash.

00:11:12.000 in your country, protest movements like Occupy, which I grant you was a truly global movement,

00:11:18.000 as that financial crash was also global. Would you argue now that populism and those populist

00:11:24.000 events - Trump, Brexit - were not anomalies, but in fact the new normal? That what we're witnessing

00:11:30.000 is a kind of an end of at least a strong appetite for a different type of politics?

00:11:37.000 Just one conversational example. I think that Ron DeSantis, who's been a guest on our show,

00:11:42.000 I'm sure you've spoken to him and found him to be a delightful man.

00:11:44.000 I understand his suffering in the polls because he is too much like a regular politician in a media landscape where what people want now are Accessible, personable, identifiably and the establishment figures like Donald Trump and let's take for the sake of this conversation the emergent forces of Vivek Ramaswamy who I know you're very fond of and RFK whose populism and popularity at least is another marker of change.

00:12:15.000 Yeah, you know, I think for me personally, the reason why I said from the very beginning it didn't matter how much money that Ron DeSantis had, that his campaign was going to be a flop and that prognostication has proven true, it's not necessarily because he seems too much like a politician.

00:12:30.000 It's because there's something about him that feels like he kind of checks which way the wind is going, and maybe checks with his

00:12:37.000 donors before he says something.

00:12:39.000 And it really comes really down to your gut instinct about an individual, and I think it matters.

00:12:43.000 I actually think it matters.

00:12:44.000 There's something that feels less trustworthy with him.

00:12:47.000 And that's not to say that you need to be extremely personable and a great speaker.

00:12:50.000 I mean, I actually find RFK interesting because of the work that he's done,

00:12:54.000 and I'm obviously not a Democrat, and I wouldn't vote for him,

00:12:57.000 but I think that the work that he has done regarding vaccines and sort of standing up

00:13:02.000 to the medical establishment his entire life is something that's noteworthy.

00:13:05.000 He's done something different.

00:13:06.000 He's done something brave.

00:13:07.000 And to hear him continue to do that is something that makes me

00:13:11.000 want to gravitate towards him.

00:13:12.000 I don't think any of us would say RFK Jr.

00:13:13.000 is one of the great orators of our time, necessarily.

00:13:17.000 And so, yeah, people are responding to looking at an

00:13:22.000 individual.

00:13:23.000 I think they're taking what they're saying and what they're

00:13:25.000 doing and wondering if this person will have enough courage

00:13:29.000 because it takes a lot of courage when you get into

00:13:31.000 position of power to stand up to the authoritarian, whether it's

00:13:35.000 the CDC or any of the other bodies that they've created.

00:13:39.000 And I just don't know that I feel that way about Ron

00:13:42.000 DeSantis.

00:13:43.000 Vivek Ramaswamy is doing a lot of different things.

00:13:45.000 I didn't really think anything of him until I had him on my

00:13:48.000 show, and I just had a very good I felt like, OK, I kind of understand who this person is.

00:13:54.000 He's a true academic.

00:13:55.000 He's extremely ambitious.

00:13:57.000 But it felt more authentic.

00:13:59.000 So, yeah, I guess you could say that that could be something that has to do with the populist movement and people are naturally distrusting.

00:14:06.000 But I think it's something else.

00:14:08.000 I think it's gut instinct.

00:14:09.000 And I think that people want to measure you against, you know, Did you stand up to this?

00:14:14.000 Did you stand up to that?

00:14:15.000 What is your actual record?

00:14:16.000 And Ron Sanders is a great governor.

00:14:18.000 I have nothing bad to say about him.

00:14:19.000 If I was living in Florida, I'd try to vote for him 10 times if I could, but I never thought that he was going to be able to have the same success nationally.

00:14:27.000 Well, it wouldn't be possible to vote 10 times because, as you know, there are no problems with voting in Florida.

00:14:33.000 Or anywhere else.

00:14:34.000 It's one vote per living human being has been well established for a long time now.

00:14:42.000 I think it's not just about like oratory, but just authenticity more is what people appear to be craving now, Candice, that people are sort of starting to sense that our sanitized, empty, hollow political rhetoric isn't leading anywhere. Another thing, because you sort of,

00:15:00.000 I guess it's fair to say that your position is generally a conservative, how do you feel when

00:15:06.000 issues such as free speech and a broad and general anti-war stance appear to now have become

00:15:15.000 conservative issues?

00:15:17.000 There's been this extraordinary flip where the liberal, peacenik, cultural revolution, let it all hang out, let's smoke a doobie man party has become the party of have a war, don't question a war, don't talk about potential peaceful or diplomatic solutions. 0.77

00:15:35.000 And obviously when it comes to censorship, the liberal democratic left It appears more sensorial based on the relationships that have been demonstrated between them and the social media sites, for example, and their use of various deep state agencies to control narratives.

00:15:51.000 And in fact, excuse me, just the continuum of censorship across successive administrations, Snowden onwards, you know.

00:15:58.000 So, when values like free speech and anti-war can become untethered from one side of the political aisle, what does that do to your position?

00:16:11.000 And do you think it's a fair assessment to just acknowledge that these changes have taken place?

00:16:16.000 Yeah, these changes are taking place.

00:16:17.000 What I would say is the right is still very much pro-war, as well. 0.83

00:16:21.000 I mean, I think we saw this in the Republican debate stage, where how many people were saying you had Pence, you had Nikki Haley.

00:16:27.000 And this is why we talk about the military-industrial complex, because it encompasses the left and the right.

00:16:31.000 But speaking outside of the political players and just to the individuals, yeah.

00:16:35.000 I think what's happened, because I've tried to actually assess it, is People that are left-leaning have actually always been emotional.

00:16:43.000 And so what's happened, though, is the emotional arguments are now being transpired to make them support things that they've never supported in the past, right?

00:16:51.000 So it still works, you know, if you're saying, you know, end the war in Vietnam.

00:16:56.000 There's emotions.

00:16:57.000 Let's let's end the war. 0.97

00:16:58.000 Hippies.

00:16:59.000 OK, we want this to be over.

00:17:00.000 And now you're saying, well, no, no, no.

00:17:02.000 Go to war. 0.80

00:17:03.000 Because think about the Ukrainian children. 0.97

00:17:05.000 Think about how awful Putin is.

00:17:08.000 It's still a hijacking of emotions, but the end result, I think, is actually different.

00:17:14.000 So they haven't necessarily changed.

00:17:16.000 They've perhaps grown more emotional.

00:17:18.000 I would say the media has grown just increasingly so focused on emotions all the time that they're not even thinking.

00:17:25.000 It's just, how could you not feel bad for the Ukrainian children? 1.00

00:17:28.000 How could you be so awful that you don't want to send billions?

00:17:30.000 Who cares if there's no accounting and it's kind of going into a black hole and we're giving less to the people that are in Maui?

00:17:38.000 You know, it's your job to constantly care about something.

00:17:41.000 Here is the current thing that you need to care about.

00:17:44.000 That's really interesting because it makes you wonder if there's any actual principles present at all.

00:17:51.000 My position on being anti-war is surely at this point in evolution we must be able to come to peaceful solutions.

00:17:59.000 Surely this is our duty and I would say that whether it's the Iraq War, Afghanistan War, Vietnam War, Korean War, current war between Russia and Ukraine.

00:18:07.000 And in all of those wars, the death of civilians and children of all creeds and nationalities is appalling.

00:18:14.000 When it comes to the subject of free speech, when we were talking in the 1960s or whatever about civil rights movement, pro-women, gay, different ethnic minorities or cultural groups, when it was them spearheading that cultural movement, their free speech was important.

00:18:28.000 And now I think free speech is... I mean, what the point of principles is, is they transcend an immediate agenda.

00:18:37.000 Isn't it?

00:18:37.000 It's like your principle doesn't just sort of shift depending on what your objective is.

00:18:41.000 Oh, I don't like war.

00:18:43.000 Actually, I do like war. 0.99

00:18:44.000 And it seems that what's happened is that war has become packaged in quite unique ways.

00:18:49.000 And I agree with your analysis that it's emotionally packaged, but what it appears, the genuine power behind it appears to be an ulterior or transcendent power, depending on your perspective, and specifically the military-industrial complex, are able to Make sure that the American project remains a military one for economic rather than ideological reasons.

00:19:12.000 And I reckon, I suppose, that that's a rational discourse and a rational analysis.

00:19:17.000 But for me, it comes from an emotional place because I think it isn't right to kill people and use violence as a way to resolve disputes.

00:19:26.000 So it's sort of a fusion of both emotion And rationale, because rationale can lead to genocide, brutality, and so can emotion.

00:19:35.000 So, yeah, I wonder what you thought about that little moral snake's nest I flung your way.

00:19:40.000 No, I actually, I totally agree with you, and this is why I was staunchly against, even from the very beginning, day one, it's like we just pulled out of Afghanistan, now you're telling us that we need to all focus on Ukraine, and the American mindset is kind of being set to believe that we constantly have to be worrying about everybody else's problems, right?

00:19:58.000 that if you say, "Okay, we have plenty of problems here "on our own, why don't we focus on those,"

00:20:02.000 that you're somehow rotten and you're somehow backwards. 0.98

00:20:04.000 And again, there's no accounting for it.

00:20:06.000 As you think about, you've got IRS agents that can, God forbid you send $200 on PayPal,

00:20:12.000 you know, you can be fined by the IRS.

00:20:13.000 I can log into my bank account and I can see every single charge,

00:20:16.000 but we have no idea where billions of dollars are going into a black hole.

00:20:20.000 And it's very obvious that there are kickbacks and this is why the politicians

00:20:24.000 want to keep these wars going.

00:20:25.000 I mean, that to me is just a rational, logical conclusion that most people don't see when the current thing arrives

00:20:33.000 because there's this full media effort because part of the military industrial complex

00:20:37.000 is also the media.

00:20:38.000 The media is reinforcing these ideals, reinforcing these principles that we constantly have to be the moral police in the world.

00:20:45.000 Quite frankly, I'd like to mind our own business.

00:20:47.000 I don't know why we insist that the way that we want to live has to be the exact way that every single person in the world wants to live.

00:20:54.000 I live in America.

00:20:55.000 I like American values.

00:20:56.000 I like American principles.

00:20:57.000 I don't necessarily think that people in Iran and Iraq have to enjoy the way that I live or the way that I dress or the freedom that I want to express.

00:21:05.000 And so they use this moral policing argument, and you saw this on the debate stage.

00:21:10.000 It's one of the reasons that I would never vote for Nikki Haley, why Mike Pence I would not vote for, is because they say, no, it is our job, and they use these Cold War arguments, and this is why we must do this, and, you know, Russia could become the Soviet Union again, when, in fact, it's us that has military boots all across the world.

00:21:27.000 It's us that's actually encroaching into other people's territory, and people are completely delusional about that fact.

00:21:34.000 And when you say it, You know, you're public enemy number one, but I've been public enemy number one and two and three for a while now, so it's okay.

00:21:41.000 You've been a lot of public enemies.

00:21:43.000 Now if you're watching this on YouTube, one of our glorious 6.5 million awakening wonders,

00:21:49.000 tuning in doubtless to see a fiery spat between Candice Owens and Russell Brand.

00:21:55.000 Candice because of her ferocity and libertarianism and me because of my alleged,

00:22:01.000 I think you said sickle waving socialist or hippie dippy, airy fairy sparkle covered

00:22:07.000 woo woo new age guru clap trap.

00:22:10.000 Well, it hasn't happened yet, but next we're gonna talk about YouTube censorship

00:22:14.000 and how it has pertained to both of us, how both of us have been affected by legacy

00:22:17.000 in mainstream media censorship and attacks.

00:22:19.000 And we'll be talking about that exclusively on the Home of Free Speech Rumble.

00:22:24.000 Click the link in the description.

00:22:26.000 Join us over there right now to see us talk about that subject.

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00:22:38.000 Are we safe?

00:22:39.000 Are we just on Rumble?

00:22:40.000 Can we, Candice and I, speak freely?

00:22:42.000 Candice, so what do you think about the role of YouTube in regulating and censoring content?

00:22:47.000 Do you think they've just become another arm of the mainstream?

00:22:50.000 And also, I still want to take issue about saying that my children are surprisingly beautiful, rather than predictably beautiful, on the basis of a beautiful, two beautiful parents.

00:23:01.000 Your children are shockingly beautiful.

00:23:03.000 I know there's no pictures of them in the public sphere, but I did run into you in the UK and at some hotel,

00:23:08.000 and they are shockingly beautiful children.

00:23:11.000 Like, they're just really stunningly beautiful.

00:23:13.000 You're kind of like, you see them, and it just kind of blows you away.

00:23:16.000 I'm not saying that you're not a shockingly beautiful man, but I am saying that any person that saw your children

00:23:25.000 would be like, "Wow, these kids are positively stunning."

00:23:28.000 They should be on, I don't know, the cover of magazines.

00:23:31.000 They're just, they look like glass dolls is the only way that I can describe it to people.

00:23:34.000 I'm like, have you ever seen Russell Brand's children?

00:23:36.000 They're shockingly beautiful.

00:23:37.000 I always say it.

00:23:38.000 I want to be honest with you.

00:23:38.000 I don't want to say it behind your back.

00:23:40.000 I always say your children are shockingly beautiful behind your back.

00:23:42.000 Now on, I'd like you, when you're passing on that anecdote, to say, have you ever seen Russell Brand's children?

00:23:47.000 As you might imagine, based on his physical appearance, they are extremely beautiful children.

00:23:53.000 But then again, why wouldn't they be?

00:23:55.000 Just to reiterate my main point, isn't Russell Brand handsome?

00:23:58.000 And then, you know, carry on with whatever crazy, ethno-nationalist, right-wing, rallying cry you are on.

00:24:09.000 So wait, what do you think about YouTube censorship then, Candice?

00:24:13.000 I absolutely hate it.

00:24:15.000 I'm on a ban right now.

00:24:16.000 I'm always in trouble with YouTube.

00:24:18.000 And what's really surprising in your earlier question about whether or not they're pushing mainstream talking points, I think it's much more nefarious than that.

00:24:25.000 It's really scary.

00:24:27.000 The groups that they allege are protected.

00:24:29.000 I think all of my strikes I've ever gotten on YouTube are all pertaining to the topic of pedophilia.

00:24:34.000 And they try to say, well, you can't talk about pedophiles if they're gay or if they're trans,

00:24:41.000 even though we're reporting on actual news stories and talking about what's actually happening.

00:24:45.000 And for me, it's not a battle that I'm willing to give up.

00:24:48.000 So I continue to talk about it.

00:24:49.000 And I endure these strikes and these periods because I'm a parent now.

00:24:52.000 So this is one category that I'm not going to say, well, just find me on a different platform,

00:24:58.000 and we'll talk about it.

00:24:58.000 It is something that needs to be talked about.

00:25:00.000 There's obviously been an explosion of pedophilia light as I like to call it, what's happening in the school

00:25:06.000 systems in America.

00:25:07.000 I'm not sure if it's as prominent in the UK school systems, and you can let me know.

00:25:12.000 But this agenda, operating under the guise of LGBTQIA, by the way, tacking on extra letters,

00:25:20.000 and this is what happens.

00:25:22.000 These social justice movements never end, right?

00:25:24.000 It's the NAACP.

00:25:27.000 OK, now you have the same rights as white Americans. 0.54

00:25:30.000 Oh, but now we have another battle to endure.

00:25:31.000 It's against the police officers.

00:25:34.000 Glad. 0.91

00:25:34.000 All we want is gay marriage. 0.91

00:25:36.000 Love is love. 0.88

00:25:37.000 Second you get gay marriage, suddenly you're like, well, what about trans bathroom signs? 0.92

00:25:40.000 Oh, okay, now we've got the trans bathroom signs.

00:25:42.000 Well, we need to make sure that children are allowed to pick their gender in the classroom. 0.69

00:25:46.000 It's never ending.

00:25:47.000 And I don't understand what two gay men wanting to be in a relationship has anything to do with my children being enrolled in a school and needing to learn about, you know, 26,000 genders that don't exist. 0.99

00:25:58.000 What do you imagine is the agenda of those you oppose? 0.97

00:26:00.000 Hill to die on. So, you know, the YouTube censorship surrounding that topic makes me

00:26:05.000 very uncomfortable.

00:26:06.000 What do you imagine is the agenda of those you oppose? What do you genuinely think is

00:26:13.000 the reason? Because, you know, I know the kind of stories you cover.

00:26:17.000 I know how it would be reported in some portions of the media.

00:26:20.000 People would say, like, misgendering and things like that.

00:26:23.000 And you know me, right?

00:26:24.000 That's not the sort of thing that I would ever do.

00:26:26.000 If someone wants me to say something, you know, the same way as I call someone mister or doctor or whatever, if they ask me to, someone says, call me like whatever I'm like, it's for me.

00:26:36.000 Just because of that principle of kindness that I've previously mentioned.

00:26:39.000 With regard to this issue, are you saying that you believe that paedophilia, obviously I think we've both agreed that paedophilia is distinct and separate from other forms of, it's a matter of abuse because it's a matter of consent, children can't offer consent, they're too young, it's just plain and simple abuse.

00:27:00.000 So What do you think is culturally happening?

00:27:04.000 Do you think pedophilia is being normalized, and to what end?

00:27:08.000 Yeah, it absolutely is being normalized.

00:27:10.000 They've already come up with another term for it.

00:27:12.000 You're seeing college professors say that it's this push that it should be called minor attracted people, that the word pedophilia is not something that should be used.

00:27:20.000 That's scary.

00:27:20.000 You're softening pedophilia.

00:27:23.000 And when you see things of this nature, and then you take a look at the books

00:27:26.000 and why they're trying to introduce this to kids that are quite literally in kindergarten, first grade,

00:27:32.000 I mean, you're talking about kids that are five, six, and seven years old.

00:27:35.000 Why else would you wanna talk to them about their private parts and their gender? 1.00

00:27:38.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:27:39.000 Teach my children arithmetic, teach them hard academics, you know?

00:27:43.000 And it's not about being accepting because you have children.

00:27:46.000 Could you imagine if every single thing that they said you wanted to affirm?

00:27:49.000 I literally yesterday woke up and my son said he wanted to drive the big car.

00:27:54.000 Yeah, it's important to tell my child, no, he can't drive a car.

00:27:58.000 And so by trying to assign to say to kids, you actually are smart enough and you do have the autonomy separate from your parents to make decisions.

00:28:06.000 What are we setting them up for?

00:28:07.000 You know, we're setting up the idea that you can can you're an adult, you're a little adult and don't listen

00:28:12.000 to your parents and your parents are backwards, which of course is the pedophilia 0.99

00:28:16.000 thing is just going to be right behind it. And I've got my eyes on that. I really do

00:28:19.000 believe that that's what's happening right now. My children happen to be quite good drivers and

00:28:23.000 I have no problem with them driving either the big or little. They can do what they

00:28:27.000 want in that vehicle. I mean, as you've said, they're so unnaturally and peculiarly and

00:28:32.000 inexplicably good looking.

00:28:34.000 You've got to let them do whatever they want. I was also, what do I want to say there? What

00:28:40.000 I feel is reasonable when educating, firstly, I would say this.

00:28:45.000 The parents of children should be in charge of the way that those children are educated, and whether that's traditional or progressive should be a matter for the parent to determine.

00:28:54.000 Again, that's a principle.

00:28:56.000 So the principle isn't, I've got a preference and I'm going to use this argument to leverage my preference.

00:29:01.000 I don't care, not care, but mind how other people raise their children.

00:29:05.000 I wouldn't mind other people telling me how to raise my children.

00:29:08.000 So like, you know, and, but what I would say possibly, aside from paedophilia, which seems to me pretty

00:29:14.000 plainly wrong, that when it comes to offering different ways that a human being might express

00:29:21.000 themselves or be, isn't the assumption that we live in a culture that doesn't allow

00:29:27.000 room for debate or conversation, or at least hasn't historically, and a lot of assumptions

00:29:33.000 around identity, around gender have been made, that sort of began with something you

00:29:38.000 touched on earlier, that women ought to be able to work in all roles and have jobs in whatever 0.99

00:29:45.000 sector, and even when you said a bit earlier, women are more emotional, I thought, God, I 0.97

00:29:50.000 bet I'm more emotional than you, and I'm a man, you're a woman, I bet you're more

00:29:56.000 logical and rational than me.

00:29:58.000 I'm emotional.

00:29:59.000 That's how I run, you know what I mean?

00:30:03.000 Anyway, so I guess, look, a conversation about norms and the various ways that people might express themselves, I think, is healthy.

00:30:10.000 But having said that, I don't think that anyone else should take precedence over the parents when it comes to imposing ideals or ideas.

00:30:19.000 Yeah, we need to be a society, of course, when you're governing for the whole.

00:30:22.000 You need to be a society that governs based on the rule, not the exception, right?

00:30:26.000 So yes, there are exceptions.

00:30:28.000 Are there some men that are more emotional than women?

00:30:30.000 Absolutely.

00:30:30.000 But as a rule, women are more emotional than men.

00:30:34.000 And we should be able to say that.

00:30:35.000 We should be able to acknowledge that.

00:30:36.000 And that's always been the circumstance.

00:30:38.000 Women are drawn to certain categories. 0.94

00:30:40.000 that men are not drawn to, the way that men bond is different than the way that women bond.

00:30:44.000 These are, again, rules. Of course, there are exceptions.

00:30:47.000 I'm sure there are some women that are absolutely crazy about sports and absolutely love sports. 1.00

00:30:51.000 But to then say that because we have these exceptions and we're going to now pretend

00:30:55.000 that all of society needs to pretend that everything is anomalous, that's when things get crazy.

00:31:00.000 I mean, you think it's an act of compassion to if somebody comes to you and says, you know, I'm this to affirm them or to not to maybe not affirm them, but you're saying out of respect to, you know, play pretend in a certain way.

00:31:14.000 And for me, that's offensive to me because what you're saying is I don't mind how you live, but when you tell me that how you live Now has to influence how I live and I have to pretend that reality doesn't exist.

00:31:24.000 I find that to be very problematic.

00:31:26.000 It's sort of like, you know, if you meet a person who's suffering from, I don't know, bipolarism or suffering from grand delusions and they come to you and, you know, they say something that is so obviously not true.

00:31:37.000 But then they demand that you say that it is true.

00:31:41.000 You're demanding that I lie, right?

00:31:43.000 So if you want to go out and pretend that you're a woman And in, say, I'm, you know, I don't know what a Russell name would be, whatever it is, that's absolutely fine, but I don't have to pretend that you're a woman.

00:31:54.000 I get to exist in the realm of reality, and so I find that to be weird when we're encroaching on people that are seeing things straight and as they are, and pretending that it's not kind if they don't want to play pretend.

00:32:06.000 I'll play pretend with toddlers, I will, you know, but not with adults.

00:32:10.000 Well, I suppose I see it as that around language there is an arbitrariness anyway when it comes to some of the terminology that's used.

00:32:22.000 Language is convenience for identification and if Language has a different meaning to somebody because of the way that they feel, and I can make them feel better just by saying that.

00:32:32.000 Like, for me, that's easy, and not that different from if someone had some sort of cultural tag that they would like me to apply, like, seigneur, monsieur, or, like, whatever.

00:32:44.000 If someone says, like, for me, that identifies, you know, female or any form of identification, it just doesn't trouble me in that way.

00:32:52.000 I'm sort of open to the type of analysis you apply to that, but I don't know what troubles you.

00:33:00.000 Because calling me a birthing person, you're basically saying that I have to cease to exist so that men that have mental disorders can exist, right?

00:33:08.000 That's very wrong.

00:33:09.000 It's very wrong to pretend that I'm not different from you.

00:33:11.000 You've been pregnant before, Russell.

00:33:13.000 Do you think calling me a birthing person, you've seen your wife be pregnant, you see what women go through.

00:33:18.000 So the idea that I'm going to stop existing so that somebody can feel good in their head, it's just not who I am.

00:33:25.000 I think it's very important to acknowledge the actual struggles that real biological women go through in the same way and the hurdles that they have to go through.

00:33:34.000 And as we start diminishing language, which obviously is what's happening now, they're starting to say, you're a birthing person.

00:33:41.000 Men can breastfeed.

00:33:42.000 No, they can't.

00:33:44.000 Women breastfeed, women go through that. 1.00

00:33:46.000 It's a very hectic experience.

00:33:48.000 And so I very much draw the line at that.

00:33:50.000 And I'm very happy to be considered not compassionate or not emotional enough.

00:33:55.000 And I think that the reason that movement has gotten so far and now you actually have men invading into women's spaces is because it started with one person saying, I'm just going to pretend to make you feel good.

00:34:05.000 You just, reality has to remain reality.

00:34:07.000 And I am very objective when it comes to those things.

00:34:10.000 Okay, what I feel is like you said earlier about the norm should rule or the majority should rule and I started to feel that under scrutiny and analysis there are so many different taxonomies that are not really acknowledged.

00:34:26.000 An obvious emergent one are the sort of subjects around gender identity that we've been discussing but it appears that there are just so many ways of being American, being a human being, And it appears to me that really what the ulterior force,

00:34:38.000 the burgeoning force beneath this, which is not being addressed,

00:34:42.000 is that there is nothing permanent or necessarily rational or logical

00:34:48.000 about the idea of a nation state, about having communities of 300 million people

00:34:53.000 or 60 million people under one government, that this in itself is an idea,

00:34:59.000 and plainly it's an idea because there is no actual literal thing called France.

00:35:03.000 It's conceptual, it's abstract.

00:35:06.000 Same for any nation or community.

00:35:09.000 And indeed, for hundreds of thousands of years, we evolved in smaller communities.

00:35:13.000 Now, I'm not anti-progress or anti-technology or medicine or any of those great advances, but what I've started to suspect is that centralism, centralisation, authoritarianism, gargantuanism, whether that's in the corporate world or in the state, are ways that you can create elite strata

00:35:32.000 and control huge populations.

00:35:35.000 What I believe in is maximum democracy that would, in my view, immediately diffuse

00:35:41.000 the kind of conversations we're having.

00:35:43.000 Like in, so if I was living in a community of a hundred or a thousand people and we vote.

00:35:47.000 Do you agree that we, if people want to be called a pronoun, we'll do it?

00:35:52.000 And we go, yeah, yeah, cool.

00:35:53.000 And then you're one.

00:35:54.000 People go, no, no, we're not doing it.

00:35:56.000 There you go.

00:35:56.000 Democracy.

00:35:57.000 And we all accept and marvel and enjoy the many different ways, like you said earlier, that people might, you know, you're happy if you go to Iran or Australia or Finland and find cultural distinctions, which I think is glorious.

00:36:10.000 And in fact, a different kind of diversity.

00:36:13.000 What I believe we're on some level protesting against is the homogenization of

00:36:17.000 everything and this homogenization is happening for commerce, for commodity, for authoritarianism.

00:36:23.000 It's not benefiting ordinary people. It's advancing elite interests and it's undemocratic and it's destroying the

00:36:29.000 world.

00:36:30.000 And people are sort of positioning it in extraordinary ways in order to facilitate it.

00:36:34.000 So where do you think that democracy and the simple idea of people being able to run their own lives and run their own

00:36:40.000 communities, as distinct from a kind of libertarianism that becomes

00:36:44.000 ultimately, I don't know, sort of financial and a communal anti-community?

00:36:49.000 How do you, what do you think about those type of ideas, dear Candice?

00:36:52.000 Yeah, I actually totally agree with you, and that's actually what makes America quite unique, is that we have state rights, and so you can kind of choose your tribe.

00:37:00.000 You know, I made—I decided to leave Washington, D.C., and leave—I was also living in Philadelphia for a while, because I realized that I don't identify with these people, I don't identify with the way that things are run, and I moved south.

00:37:10.000 And it feels like I'm in a completely different country, just living here in Nashville, Tennessee, right?

00:37:16.000 Completely different values.

00:37:17.000 And it's all about finding your tribe.

00:37:19.000 And you are correct that I think that we function better on a community level.

00:37:23.000 And now my life is totally different, and it doesn't even reflect what you're seeing on the mainstream media, because they have no interest in the way that people are living in the South whatsoever, actually, if we're ever being talked about.

00:37:32.000 It's in a negative way.

00:37:34.000 So you're absolutely right.

00:37:36.000 And this is why I think that I spend so much time and conservatives in general spend so much time talking about families, right?

00:37:41.000 Because that's that's your original tribe.

00:37:43.000 Your original tribe is a husband, a wife, the children. 0.98

00:37:45.000 You get to assess how you want to live, what you want to allow into your household, who you want to allow into your household.

00:37:51.000 And that is the number one answer that I get to people when they ask me what they're they're so frantic about the way of the world.

00:37:57.000 and I'm talking specifically about Americans because our government is run different,

00:38:01.000 obviously, than yours.

00:38:02.000 What can I do? What can I do?

00:38:03.000 Rather than focus on the big picture, this idea of what the nation

00:38:07.000 and what our responsibility is as a nation, what can you actually do in your own house?

00:38:11.000 When COVID happened, for me, I never worried a single day.

00:38:14.000 My children were never going to be masked.

00:38:16.000 I was never going to mask.

00:38:18.000 When we had a baby nurse come one night and she was wearing a mask, 0.93

00:38:21.000 I said, "You don't have to wear that."

00:38:22.000 She said, "I want to."

00:38:23.000 And I said, "Actually, we don't allow that in this house."

00:38:26.000 And we showed her right out because this is our house.

00:38:29.000 We get to a side.

00:38:30.000 We're actually the bosses.

00:38:32.000 I'm the dictator.

00:38:33.000 Me and my husband are the dictators. 0.93

00:38:34.000 We're the evil rulers of this house.

00:38:37.000 So, and that returns power back to the individual.

00:38:41.000 Which is wonderful.

00:38:42.000 Your style, man, you're hilarious.

00:38:44.000 Because like me, I'm like, listen, I don't really see that these mask things are working.

00:38:50.000 But I guess maybe I'm just not strong enough.

00:38:53.000 But if someone in my house was wearing a mask, oh man!

00:38:57.000 I feel embarrassed asking people to take their shoes off.

00:39:00.000 But you'd be like, get that mask off!

00:39:02.000 Yeah.

00:39:02.000 And what did they say?

00:39:04.000 That's what I did the entire time.

00:39:06.000 She left.

00:39:07.000 It was, you know, it was no hard feelings.

00:39:09.000 I just said, we actually don't allow that in our home.

00:39:11.000 And I think she was quite surprised by that.

00:39:13.000 But the concept of my child waking up in the middle of the night, baby, and you've got a person that looks like Bane from Batman looking over their crib, it's just not allowed in my house.

00:39:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:22.000 This is a baby.

00:39:23.000 If you're afraid of a baby, I don't need you here.

00:39:26.000 That's my Bane impression.

00:39:28.000 you.

00:39:29.000 "Hello, let me check this baby is doing well. 0.99

00:39:33.000 What a delightful child." 0.68

00:39:35.000 That's my baby impression.

00:39:36.000 I hope you're pleased that I've done that.

00:39:39.000 That's what it would look like.

00:39:40.000 I was like, he's going to wake up and my poor little baby is going to see like, oh, this

00:39:42.000 is very scary.

00:39:43.000 And so we just didn't allow it in our households at all.

00:39:45.000 Didn't require any of our employees to wear it.

00:39:47.000 We didn't stop anything.

00:39:49.000 We didn't care about don't see your family for Thanksgiving.

00:39:51.000 I hosted a huge Thanksgiving.

00:39:52.000 You know, that's the beauty of small communities.

00:39:55.000 That's the beauty of family.

00:39:56.000 You get to establish your own rules.

00:39:57.000 in the nonsense of the mainstream media. So you're absolutely correct.

00:40:01.000 In a way, it starts to expose, I think, a conversation like this one, that there is

00:40:06.000 no need for ongoing cultural conflict. There is simply a need for mutual acceptance and

00:40:12.000 respect, whether it's a subject like masking, where it appears we agree, except I'm too

00:40:17.000 scared to impose my own beliefs in the same way that you are.

00:40:22.000 Or subjects like gender identity, where we disagree, but it's sort of like, yeah, let's be who we are, man.

00:40:29.000 Like, what's the issue?

00:40:30.000 Now, I want to talk to you a moment, Candice, that because you are such a troublemaker, because you can't even accept That Netflix have made a successful documentary about causing some bloody problem about it, making a murderer, which we all liked.

00:40:44.000 We all had a lot of fun.

00:40:46.000 We all sat around thinking, oh, the police are corrupt, aren't they?

00:40:49.000 The way they've jailed this poor fella.

00:40:51.000 It was a lot of joy.

00:40:52.000 Now you've made a new docu-series trying to ruin that for everyone else, haven't you?

00:40:58.000 Trying to even unmask that, like that was a problem.

00:41:02.000 Tell us about your new docuseries, Convicting a Murderer, and why you've done this, and why you're such a troublemaker.

00:41:10.000 I have to say, one of the things that I'm fascinated about is just the psychology of propaganda, and we've all fell victim to it at one point in our lives.

00:41:18.000 I mean, there are so many things that I believed when I was in high school, and now I know that those things simply aren't true, but I adamantly believed them in my soul.

00:41:25.000 And so in my political career, or in my cultural career, however you want to spin that, I like the idea of a mass brainwashing that takes place because the media was able to present a piece.

00:41:37.000 And so I obviously did the Black Lives Matter doc last year, and now Black Lives Matter is filed for Chapter 11, and people are starting to realize that I got really emotional and fired up about that.

00:41:45.000 But, you know, before BLM and George Floyd, there was this Making a Murderer series, and for whatever reason, we trust documentaries more.

00:41:53.000 Like, we just set our preset to, like, okay, the media might be lying, the news might be lying to me, but the documentary, they're documenting this, so this absolutely must be the truth.

00:42:01.000 And the Stephen Avery case was absolutely fascinating.

00:42:03.000 You know, it was a global sensation.

00:42:05.000 It put Netflix on the map.

00:42:07.000 And you see this same dynamic that keeps playing out over and over again, where we are now interested in turning villains into heroes.

00:42:15.000 And you see this on a fantastical stage, like, you know, the movie Maleficent.

00:42:19.000 Like, they're, oh, Oh, actually, here's the real story.

00:42:23.000 Wicked Broadway play.

00:42:25.000 Oh, actually, I know she was the bad guy, but let me tell you why she has a soul. 1.00

00:42:28.000 Joker, you know, actually, let's really tell the story of the villain, feel bad for the villain.

00:42:33.000 But then when that happens in real life, like with the Stephen Avery case and making a murderer, when you are taking someone who, you know, threw a cat into the fire, abused animals, abused dogs, abused cats, abused women throughout his lifetime, and then kills a woman, And you say, as a documentary maker, how can we turn him into a sympathetic character?

00:42:54.000 We're talking about something that has very serious implications.

00:42:58.000 We're talking about a family that had to not just bury their daughter, Theresa Hallback, who was 22 years old and had her entire life ahead of her.

00:43:06.000 And was fearful of this man, Stephen Avery, and who expressed her fear regarding this man, Stephen Avery.

00:43:13.000 She was brutally raped twice. 0.62

00:43:15.000 She was shot. 0.99

00:43:16.000 She was burned.

00:43:16.000 She was stabbed.

00:43:17.000 She was chopped into a million pieces. 0.78

00:43:19.000 And then she was killed in the afterlife because two lesbian documentary makers from New York was like, this could be an interesting person to turn into a hero. 0.52

00:43:28.000 And what happened was the celebrities seized this, all the usual characters.

00:43:32.000 Alec Baldwin said, you know, the brother wasn't crying enough at the funeral.

00:43:36.000 and created this monstrosity of this family getting harassed with conspiracy theories,

00:43:42.000 some that the daughter wasn't even dead, that she was gone with the cows and in Mexico.

00:43:46.000 It created a cult, you know, a fan base and people sending letters to Stephen Avery wanting to marry him in prison.

00:43:53.000 It's very dangerous.

00:43:55.000 This aspect of the media being able to turn villains into heroes when it comes to real life is very, very dangerous.

00:44:02.000 And I'm very interested and I always want to expose it because the only way we conquer it is if we all realize that we're getting duped, you know, that we're playing a part in all of this.

00:44:14.000 That's a fascinating perspective and take.

00:44:15.000 What do you think it is?

00:44:17.000 Because I've always thought that, in a sense, a story that tells the Joker from a sort of semi-naturalistic and anti-hero perspective is an interesting are

00:44:48.000 It's interesting.

00:44:49.000 You're like, oh, yeah, this could be another take.

00:44:50.000 This could be interesting.

00:44:51.000 We're going to explore this.

00:44:52.000 But I think in terms of the media, there's always been something more nefarious at play.

00:44:55.000 I don't think it's a coincidence that all the late-night talk hosts made these documentary-maker stars, gave them Emmys, you know, and told them, yeah, absolutely, this could potentially be true, and decided not to look over the facts.

00:45:07.000 There was one UK host, actually, who, from the very beginning, called those women out and said, you're not telling everything about the case, but his name, I can't think of right now.

00:45:15.000 But I think for them, there was always an agenda, because in 2015, when this docuseries premiered, Making a Murderer, there was this sort of anti-police sentiment that was brewing, and they wanted to believe that the police, who are generally the good guys, were the bad guys.

00:45:30.000 And we've seen how that's played up and how that's scaled over the years.

00:45:33.000 And you see that when they were sitting down with Trevor Noah and these hosts on late-night talks.

00:45:38.000 did his thing, and he's sort of said, "Oh, well, this is the one case where now white

00:45:42.000 people can see how we've been, you know, how maybe potentially the criminal system is wrong

00:45:47.000 and rotten and locking them up because of Stephen Avery,"

00:45:50.000 and did his whole bit.

00:45:51.000 And so it was also a way to racialize everything, which is bizarre, because Stephen Avery was

00:45:56.000 a white guy, but to kind of drum up this narrative.

00:45:58.000 So I think that there is always a nefarious political agenda and they seized upon this series to further divide people.

00:46:05.000 And yeah, we're kind of seeing the consequences of that.

00:46:08.000 But this is something that I'm just fascinated by.

00:46:11.000 I just, I love to examine people's psychology and how easily we are routinely duped by the power of the mainstream media.

00:46:18.000 What do you think is the significance of the success of a film like Sound of Freedom or the Emergence of Our Man, Oliver Antony, like these sort of, I won't use the phrase anti-hero after what we've just been discussing, but like new cultural voices that are not coming through the typical machinery, the media machinery, which of course have incumbent economic models and Certainly, you strongly believe a set of ideals that they are conveying through their cultural products.

00:46:47.000 What do you think about the Sound of Freedom phenomena?

00:46:50.000 Let's start there.

00:46:52.000 It's amazing.

00:46:52.000 It's amazing to see something that is truly anti-establishment have so much success.

00:46:58.000 And I think we're seeing this, like you said, with Richmond, north of Richmond, that people, we're understanding how people are feeling.

00:47:07.000 And I think that there is a moment, there is a shift that is happening culturally.

00:47:11.000 I think people are no longer believing They're what they're reading and what they're seeing in the mainstream media.

00:47:17.000 And that's in large part not just because of people like them, but people like you, podcast hosts that are getting millions and millions of views and subscribers stepping outside of the traditional model.

00:47:26.000 And I think that infuriates the establishment.

00:47:29.000 And it's why they've grown angrier and why they are encroaching even more on censorship and things of those nature, because they think if we can just stop these people from speaking, then we'll be able to regain control.

00:47:40.000 But they're wrong.

00:47:40.000 The train has already left the station.

00:47:42.000 Oh, please God, please God.

00:47:44.000 Hey, I've got a few questions from, like, people.

00:47:47.000 Thomas Beard, I was just, like, watching these guys in the locals' chat.

00:47:50.000 Some of them, they're such conspiracy theorists, they think that this ain't even live.

00:47:53.000 It's live.

00:47:54.000 Thomas Beard goes, do you think that the Will Smith Chris Rock slap was staged?

00:47:59.000 I don't.

00:48:00.000 No, I think Will Smith is a broken man, and I think when I watched his wife put him on Red Table Talk and talk about how she cheated on him with her son's friend, and he sat there like a puppy, I was watching a man.

00:48:15.000 It was very sad, like a tail between the legs, something that you should never see happen for a man, and I think he was broken.

00:48:23.000 He had a moment. 0.99

00:48:23.000 He wanted to show Jada that he was the strong, masculine man that she's looking for, and he did something stupid. 0.99

00:48:29.000 That's good analysis. 0.99

00:48:30.000 Fair enough.

00:48:30.000 Thanks.

00:48:31.000 Michael L. Roscoe, do you ever plan to run for president because him and his family want you to?

00:48:39.000 That's very sweet.

00:48:40.000 Thank you so much.

00:48:40.000 You know, at the moment, I'm running behind toddlers.

00:48:43.000 The family stuff is way more important to me.

00:48:46.000 And I actually think that I have more influence outside of politics.

00:48:49.000 I think the realm of culture is way more influential.

00:48:52.000 And I'm just happy with where I am right now.

00:48:54.000 You won't do it!

00:48:55.000 Oh wow, gosh.

00:49:00.000 Rich2054, what is your personal view of the Lahaina fires, the local federal government response, and what's your perspective on big stars doing campaigns to raise money for that?

00:49:13.000 Obviously, the federal response has been abysmal, and when you weigh it against our response to Ukraine and the United effort to make us send money overseas, it should really shine a light on how corrupt the United States has become.

00:49:25.000 I don't have any conspiracy theories to offer.

00:49:28.000 None of it makes any sense.

00:49:29.000 It's very worrisome, and it's kind of hard to sift through it all at the moment.

00:49:34.000 But yeah, absolutely a corrupt response is what I would say.

00:49:37.000 Yeah.

00:49:38.000 Yeah, it's a weird one that.

00:49:40.000 I tell you, it's interesting talking to you.

00:49:41.000 Maybe I have changed.

00:49:42.000 Maybe I have, you know, I still disagree with you with loads of things, but I agree with the, I agree with the concept of you.

00:49:49.000 I agree with the essence of you.

00:49:51.000 I agree with the right for you to be you.

00:49:54.000 And if you came on here one day and said that you wanted a different pronoun, I wouldn't, I wouldn't even remark on it.

00:50:00.000 I just go, yeah, right.

00:50:02.000 I don't care.

00:50:02.000 I'm like, I'm happy.

00:50:03.000 Love is love.

00:50:04.000 Love is love.

00:50:05.000 So, hey, listen, Candice, thank you very much for joining me.

00:50:09.000 I hope you've enjoyed this conversation.

00:50:10.000 Now, get out there in that world and have some fantastic luck.

00:50:13.000 Last time you left a conversation with me, you went out and got a husband. 0.99

00:50:16.000 Why not leap straight into polygamy? 1.00

00:50:18.000 Go out there, get another one!

00:50:22.000 Or a wife! 0.99

00:50:22.000 Why not that? 0.99

00:50:24.000 You've heard it here first.

00:50:25.000 I'm off to get me another husband because that's just my luck after I do the Russell Brand Show.

00:50:32.000 Thank you so much for having me.

00:50:33.000 It's always been so fun.

00:50:34.000 Let's not make it too long next time.

00:50:37.000 I'm always in the UK, by the way.

00:50:38.000 We could do this in person.

00:50:39.000 I married an Englishman, you know?

00:50:41.000 I know.

00:50:42.000 I know you did.

00:50:43.000 Don't think I don't think about that.

00:50:44.000 Come and sit here.

00:50:46.000 Come and be on the show.

00:50:47.000 I'd love that.

00:50:48.000 I'd love that.

00:50:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:49.000 Thanks, Candice.

00:50:50.000 I love it.

00:50:50.000 Stop saying that my children are... I like beautiful, but not unnaturally beautiful.

00:50:54.000 Not like... Well, they're just... They're, like, beautiful creatures.

00:50:57.000 Like, they're, like, perfect specimens.

00:51:00.000 Because they would... Guys, I'm telling you, it's bizarre.

00:51:02.000 Obviously, because they would be.

00:51:04.000 Candice's new docu-series, Convicting a Murderer, which is seemingly made just to annoy people, is available on The Daily Wire, of course, and you can watch episode one on YouTube.

00:51:14.000 Her podcast, Candice, is available now.

00:51:18.000 Switch on.

00:51:20.000 Man, he's switching.

00:51:22.000 Switching.

00:51:23.000 Man, he's switching.

00:51:23.000 Switching.

00:51:24.000 Switching.

00:51:26.000 Man, he's switching.

00:51:28.000 Switching.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 14, 2023

Candace Owens on Politics, Censorship & Culture Wars

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