Stay Free - Russel Brand - Candace Owens: Unfiltered, unafraid, and breaking the narrative- SF660

00:00:09.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Fran and Russell.

00:00:12.000 Russell Francial Conspiracy Theorist.

00:00:14.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:19.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:21.000 We've been promoting this interview so you know that it's happening.

00:00:24.000 And I feel like Candice Owens is, sorry, I know I said her name wrong there, but I just rushed my way through the ones bit.

00:00:31.000 The fact is she's at the heart and center of the culture at the moment. 0.54

00:00:34.000 This is something that's going to happen a lot with the emergence of this kind of media.

00:00:40.000 Yeah, Andrew Tates, your Russell brands, your Candice Owens, your Tucker Carlsons, like them, loathe them.

00:00:47.000 This kind of media is here to stay unless at some point they find a way to delegitimize independent media.

00:00:54.000 Absolutely.

00:00:55.000 And I bet they're looking for one even now.

00:00:57.000 Now, Candace Owens has said a lot of stuff that's pretty edgy.

00:01:02.000 The turning point, no stuff about Charlie Kirk's assassination they're not sharing.

00:01:06.000 You know, there could be reasons for that, couldn't there?

00:01:08.000 I mean, there's an ongoing investigation.

00:01:10.000 Maybe people are just in a state of bewilderment.

00:01:12.000 I'm working with Turning Point, as I told Candice Owens in the conversation.

00:01:15.000 Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that.

00:01:18.000 We also talk, obviously, about Israel and Judaism and Jews.

00:01:23.000 So it's a pretty fascinating conversation.

00:01:25.000 Now, it seemed to me that what Candice Owens was saying, and obviously I'm going to hand this off to Candice herself, if ever there was a person in the world that doesn't need someone else to talk for him, it's Candice Owens.

00:01:34.000 She's articulate, she's strong, she's grounded, and she's willing to die for what she believes in.

00:01:39.000 So that's pretty cool.

00:01:40.000 That's a pretty cool set of Christian qualities.

00:01:43.000 What I found interesting was when she talked about Sigmund Freud.

00:01:47.000 That was amazing and Sigmund Freud's sort of occultist leanings.

00:01:52.000 Pretty, it's tracks.

00:01:53.000 It makes kind of, it makes good sense.

00:01:55.000 We talk a bit about Hollywood.

00:01:56.000 I talk about being married to Katie Perry.

00:01:58.000 I hope I don't say anything negative about Katie Perry.

00:02:00.000 She's a human being.

00:02:01.000 I remain very fond of her and very fond of her family.

00:02:05.000 I talk a lot too about conspiracies in general.

00:02:09.000 When she talks about the sect within Judaism that she attributes with being, in a sense, the centralized power that dominates all global government and the trends and flow of world power, I suppose that's bam, the heart of the matter. 0.95

00:02:27.000 And that wasn't deliberate that I did that gesture because I believe that Candice Owens considers this power to be connected to subjects as apparently diverse as Charlie Kirk's horrific murder, God rest his soul, and Bridget Macron's alleged penis, which will not have a soul because it must be made of a bit of arm or something. 0.85

00:02:48.000 I don't know how it works.

00:02:49.000 Look, anyway, she can speak for herself. 0.83

00:02:51.000 Let's let her do just that. 1.00

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00:03:00.000 I know you might think it seems a bit mad, me selling products and stuff, but the fact is I've got a lot of court cases.

00:03:07.000 I wish I'd asked her, do you think that whatever's behind the attacks on me in the UK is connected to all of this?

00:03:14.000 That's what I wish I'd asked her.

00:03:15.000 But hopefully we'll talk to her again by God's grace.

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00:03:31.000 Here's the conversation with Candice Owens.

00:03:34.000 Uncut and ready for your approval.

00:03:36.000 God love you.

00:03:40.000 Thanks for doing this and thanks for letting us film on your home.

00:03:42.000 Of course, always.

00:03:44.000 My home is your home.

00:03:46.000 My firing is your firing.

00:03:47.000 First part of it was shooting on a single camera.

00:03:49.000 We hung out for a bit.

00:03:50.000 We spoke.

00:03:50.000 Watch out.

00:03:51.000 I'll come back and tell you.

00:03:51.000 We're going to transition from a single camera to a double camera.

00:03:56.000 Your cancellation is my cancellation.

00:03:58.000 Exactly.

00:03:59.000 Who hasn't been cancelled?

00:04:00.000 It's like, you know, so chic these days.

00:04:01.000 I don't feel safe there, Camus would.

00:04:05.000 Hey, so before we start, is there anything that you know me?

00:04:12.000 I can talk about whatever you want.

00:04:13.000 All right.

00:04:14.000 Yeah.

00:04:14.000 Then so while we're talking about.

00:04:15.000 Nothing's off limits ever.

00:04:17.000 Thank you.

00:04:18.000 That's good.

00:04:19.000 All right.

00:04:19.000 So while we're turning over just on this one, I'm glad we had the chance to pray.

00:04:24.000 I feel like really amazed and honoured to be talking to you right now.

00:04:32.000 Thank you.

00:04:33.000 And I've been, I was talking to my wife last night about this and asked what she would ask you.

00:04:39.000 I asked ChatGPT what it would ask you.

00:04:43.000 I'm like, he needs me.

00:04:46.000 Chat, but he doesn't like me very much.

00:04:47.000 Chat GPT.

00:04:49.000 You're not from Walk to do.

00:04:51.000 Like, I'm not a fan.

00:04:52.000 You may want to check that these are some unverified conspiracy theories.

00:04:58.000 I don't even dare ask ChatGPT what he thinks of me because I'm too sensitive.

00:05:04.000 What do you think of Russell Brown?

00:05:05.000 Oh, God.

00:05:06.000 Because it might start calling me mate now and stuff.

00:05:08.000 No.

00:05:09.000 Like it used to be mirroring even my colloquialisms.

00:05:13.000 Wow.

00:05:14.000 Yeah, I don't like that really about it.

00:05:15.000 I don't have a good rapport with my one.

00:05:17.000 My one sounds white English.

00:05:18.000 My wife sounds black American male.

00:05:21.000 I like it better.

00:05:22.000 It's more friendly.

00:05:24.000 Mine's white English male.

00:05:25.000 It's very condescending.

00:05:26.000 It talks to me how I think that England sees me.

00:05:29.000 Sort of like, oh, well, Russell, you've had a good girl, but come on.

00:05:33.000 Oh, my God.

00:05:33.000 You're looking at going to serious prison time.

00:05:36.000 Anyway, so thanks very much, Skylar.

00:05:39.000 That's very kind of you.

00:05:40.000 Thank you for passing on.

00:05:45.000 You'll stay up for sure.

00:05:46.000 You'll stay up for sure.

00:05:47.000 That much is guaranteed.

00:05:50.000 Yeah, Everton's quite a niche club, by the way.

00:05:52.000 The jacket that Skylar is wearing there.

00:05:55.000 Really?

00:05:55.000 Yeah, that's niche.

00:05:56.000 He just belongs, obviously.

00:05:57.000 Everything about Skylar, he just looks like Ed Sheeran.

00:06:00.000 He's a very happy woman in London.

00:06:01.000 He just naturally belongs there.

00:06:03.000 Yeah, right.

00:06:03.000 You're right.

00:06:04.000 He does sort of emanate a certain broken Britishness. 0.99

00:06:07.000 He does.

00:06:08.000 Mate, so like, yeah, I was asking Laura what she would ask you, and I'll ask you, I guess, when we're fully on camera, because it was actually a pretty good question.

00:06:16.000 But like, how I feel, I tried to reflect in prayer because, like, when I first met you, when I first met you, obviously, you remember because we've discussed it before in my podcast studio, such as it was in the garden.

00:06:32.000 This is what I remember thinking.

00:06:33.000 There was a lovely moment.

00:06:34.000 Here's the moment where the single camera is gone now.

00:06:37.000 We're in the studio from now.

00:06:39.000 This is what I remember thinking.

00:06:40.000 There was a lovely moment where you would argue the very sort of Republican, conservative positions.

00:06:46.000 And I guess what I'd said had been extraordinarily socialist because certainly that's how you judged me.

00:06:52.000 But I felt like I was trying to speak about spirituality, but from, I don't know, a somewhat new age perspective.

00:06:58.000 But then there's this really beautiful moment where you went, and what do you think about migration, Russell?

00:07:04.000 Oh, we should just let everybody in and you skipped around the room. 1.00

00:07:07.000 You sort of like did this bit.

00:07:09.000 You did a sort of a prance.

00:07:10.000 And my thought is, not thought, felt.

00:07:13.000 It's like, she's so beautiful.

00:07:15.000 Oh.

00:07:15.000 But I don't actually.

00:07:18.000 It made me feel that everything that gets discussed on a political level is superficial and empty because it's spirit that actually matters.

00:07:27.000 And even then, I wasn't Christian yet.

00:07:29.000 You weren't Christian yet. 0.97

00:07:30.000 And, you know, I was already married, of course, so I confined my perspectives of your beauty to an appropriate strata.

00:07:39.000 But what affected me was, oh, actually, in spite of all this stuff we've been talking about, how we disagree with stuff, on a spiritual level, I really like this person.

00:07:49.000 I love this person.

00:07:50.000 I find this person attractive.

00:07:53.000 And so that was very early on and very unexamined.

00:07:56.000 You know, I knew who you were from media, of course.

00:07:57.000 And since then, you've been involved in so many extraordinary cultural spikes, the sort of Kanye bit, the Brigitte Macron, which is obviously ongoing, Charlie Kirk, God Rest His Eternal Soul, and the assassination.

00:08:12.000 And because of the density and speed of these things, it's clear that no matter what the outside subject is that you're focusing on, you're a person now that's going to be participating in this.

00:08:25.000 Now, I say from this perspective, I've been famous a while now, huh?

00:08:30.000 And when I got famous, I got normal famous, as in famous in the UK, then famous for movies, famous celebrity wedding with Katie Perry, normal celebrity and normal fame.

00:08:43.000 And then I've gone through these weird, these weird movements of fame, Candace, that sort of were not possible because the technology wasn't possible.

00:08:52.000 You know, I basically, you know, Arthur bombed.

00:08:56.000 So, you know, you can hang around Hollywood and do parts in other movies.

00:09:01.000 But because of the thing that always drove me, the stand-up comedian in me, the spirit in me, the Lord in me, that thing just kept going.

00:09:08.000 It's looking, it's looking, it gets expressed negatively for addiction.

00:09:12.000 It gets expressed positively through creativity and service and all the things that we know are like our Lord.

00:09:18.000 And, but when the thing happened to me, the YouTube thing, like, you know, when like my YouTube, when I see like the numbers that you're doing on YouTube, and I don't, I don't really look elsewhere, so I don't obviously rumble, obviously, obviously.

00:09:30.000 But well done.

00:09:32.000 Well done. 0.99

00:09:33.000 I'm a fucking pro, you know? 0.99

00:09:35.000 I still got the old shots. 0.99

00:09:36.000 Like, you know, I know that where you are is you're at the middle of it.

00:09:39.000 You're at the middle.

00:09:40.000 You're in the middle at the moment.

00:09:42.000 And but things are different, right?

00:09:44.000 And this is what I'm trying to really try and understand.

00:09:46.000 This is not a question. 0.98

00:09:47.000 This is me trying to understand so that what we talk about is real and not some version of bullshit. 0.68

00:09:53.000 What I've noticed, right, you're in the middle of it. 0.92

00:09:55.000 I've had it happen to me a few times.

00:09:57.000 I was in the middle of it.

00:09:57.000 When the rape allegations and all of that, when that happens, I was in the middle.

00:10:00.000 And we were talking about it on the way here.

00:10:02.000 I imploded.

00:10:03.000 It was like, oh my God, this is too heavy.

00:10:05.000 And what was happening then was the stuff with Herbie was happening as well.

00:10:08.000 Like my son was having heart surgery and it was such an actually, I think, as I've told you, the fact that something so real in my family was happening simultaneous to what I took to be and believed to be a kind of coordinated takedown of rape allegations and attack, attack, attack.

00:10:27.000 Even though I was overwhelmed and terrified by the allegations, because what was happening with my son, it kept me focused on something real.

00:10:35.000 Now, I'm not in the middle anymore, and I don't know what will happen there, you know, because everything is changing so fast.

00:10:45.000 But what I know is the kind of star, because in a way that's what you are, in terms of the culture, a star, that kind of stardom wasn't possible a very, very short while ago, because someone to achieve that level of notoriety has to deal with brokerage.

00:11:01.000 You have to deal with the brokerage of publishers.

00:11:03.000 You have to deal with the brokerage of TV, the brokerage of movies, the brokerage of radio.

00:11:08.000 You don't have to do that and you're not doing that.

00:11:10.000 So you're in a truly unprecedented area right now.

00:11:14.000 Now, I first noticed it with Alex Jones, like the Alex Jones. 0.99

00:11:18.000 I thought people don't understand what he is because the culture doesn't have the vocabulary for profit, shaman, madman, fool. 0.95

00:11:28.000 Like the creator's just like, oh, you're on the TV, are you? 0.99

00:11:30.000 You're a journalist.

00:11:31.000 Hello, welcome.

00:11:32.000 Here is the news.

00:11:33.000 Follows in the, you know, Alex Jones is not that.

00:11:36.000 And so he said crazy things, but let's face it, he said things like, you know, anyone that says 9-11 before 9-11, you've got to take that guy seriously.

00:11:44.000 Sandy Hook and all of that aside.

00:11:47.000 So you now, and also, by the way, you know, you're a young, beautiful, black American woman.

00:11:56.000 And it's, I think we're in such an extraordinary moment.

00:12:00.000 It's like you've become a controversy generator.

00:12:05.000 I know that you're being authentic.

00:12:07.000 I know that you're telling the truth.

00:12:09.000 But I want to go through it and do my best, Candace, to understand where you are and where the culture is because say, gosh, Charlie Kirk, I'm doing an event for Turning Point on December 18th.

00:12:22.000 I can't watch all of your content.

00:12:23.000 I make content.

00:12:24.000 I've got children, so I can't watch all of anyone's content.

00:12:26.000 But I know that what you're saying is essentially that people from Turning Point either knew about or are otherwise involved in the murder of Charlie Kirk.

00:12:38.000 Tell me, what is coming to you that makes you confident enough to say things that are going to cause so much consternation?

00:12:48.000 Well, it's interesting.

00:12:51.000 You've asked a lot there.

00:12:53.000 But I won't talk for 20 minutes.

00:12:54.000 No, but I'm glad you did because there's a lot there that is important.

00:12:59.000 First and foremost, just the idea of what is controversy.

00:13:03.000 I think that in and of itself, we can spend three hours on, right?

00:13:06.000 What is actually deemed controversial today?

00:13:08.000 Okay.

00:13:10.000 Anything that exists outside of the system is deemed controversial.

00:13:15.000 So what you're getting at is you're in the middle of fame and controversy.

00:13:21.000 Well, it's the problem is that people are listening to me and I don't belong to the traditional satellite, right?

00:13:29.000 If I was within Hollywood and I had an agent and I had a manager and I had people who were sort of able to control me, I would be on the cover of every magazine.

00:13:42.000 I'd probably be a billionaire.

00:13:43.000 I probably would be Oprah, right?

00:13:45.000 I would have a daytime talk show, whatever, you know, whatever medium that would be today.

00:13:49.000 And I would have sponsorships and I would be maybe doing Pepsi commercials at the Super Bowl.

00:13:56.000 That's what it, like, I could have that.

00:13:58.000 That would be an option if I would stay in line and have talking points handed to me.

00:14:03.000 I think that's what I'm saying.

00:14:04.000 I get what you're saying.

00:14:05.000 I get what you're saying.

00:14:06.000 But from the very beginning, you were as far as for as long as I've tracked your career, you were at the beginning, black conservative woman.

00:14:14.000 Right.

00:14:14.000 So it's not, yeah.

00:14:15.000 So I was always existing.

00:14:17.000 And that's why I'm not a billionaire.

00:14:19.000 That's why I'm not.

00:14:20.000 Exactly.

00:14:20.000 The point is if I had gone through the stream, the main stream, if you will, I would be very much more successful today.

00:14:30.000 What is controversial is thinking outside of it, being independent and saying something is wrong with the mainstream.

00:14:38.000 So that's where I am.

00:14:40.000 And I, for me, I think since I, my earliest thoughts, I always kind of felt, and I talked about this this week on my podcast.

00:14:49.000 I just sort of always felt like an alien because I didn't understand it, right?

00:14:52.000 I didn't understand people who lie, who are fake.

00:14:57.000 I mean, I've, when I say I've always been like this, my parents would tell you stories of how they would have to, and my daughter is this way now.

00:15:04.000 So it's very funny, but they would be debating me when I was a toddler because, you know, the traditional methods of just saying, oh, because I said so, I was constantly stirring up controversy by being like, well, daddy, that doesn't make any sense.

00:15:17.000 You know, mom, that doesn't make any sense.

00:15:18.000 And then four and five saying, I need to, I need to require a little bit more than just do this because I said so.

00:15:24.000 So it's who I am, right?

00:15:25.000 I have been this.

00:15:26.000 And I say probably the person that I most like is my grandfather.

00:15:29.000 My granddad was stubborn and stubborn in the right way, stubborn in his values, you know, his faith, his family, and believed that deals should be done on a handshake.

00:15:38.000 You should be able to look someone in the eye.

00:15:39.000 I don't need a 300-page complicated contract.

00:15:42.000 If I say I'm going to be here on Monday, I'll be here on Monday.

00:15:45.000 That's no longer the world.

00:15:47.000 And so I think I'm a bit of an old soul, I think, is what my problem is today.

00:15:51.000 I don't fit in with this sort of new age propaganda.

00:15:56.000 Tell somebody something to make them feel good.

00:15:58.000 I just would rather say the truth and that's it.

00:16:01.000 Yeah.

00:16:02.000 Now, in terms of how this applies to the Charlie Kirk thing, this is so much of this is spiritual.

00:16:08.000 So much of this is, I think, God and where I was in my life and the relationship that I had with Charlie.

00:16:14.000 And me being one of the people that helped to build Turning Point.

00:16:19.000 I mean, the Kanye thing happened when me and Charlie were doing Turning Point.

00:16:24.000 It was a tiny little organization that people didn't know much about.

00:16:27.000 You were integrally involved in the formation because I know that your husband was the, he, as when you, we, because we were hanging out, when you met your husband, as we always clock when we chat, and that was TP UAK, and he was, that was TPUK.

00:16:39.000 So you are, because I sometimes think, this is what I this is my point just to declare my.

00:16:43.000 Charlie was there, by the way.

00:16:44.000 He wasn't at your house, but I, Charlie, that whole thing was, I left Charlie, came to your house, got back with Charlie.

00:16:50.000 Yeah, and then we went to George.

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00:17:48.000 You know, like when someone important dies, I always notice how people are.

00:17:56.000 And sometimes I feel that people claim a greater affinity or affection with people after their death.

00:18:05.000 Like I call it, in fact, I invented a word after the death of Princess Diana, mornography, like to get off on the death of the person and sort of jerk off over it.

00:18:15.000 Yes.

00:18:15.000 Now, I know that, so I don't know, other than I've seen a bunch of videos of you hanging out with Charlie and dancing with him.

00:18:23.000 And then I'm now putting it together in my mind.

00:18:25.000 Oh, right.

00:18:25.000 Yeah, you were there for turning point.

00:18:27.000 So you were like super close with Charlie Kirk.

00:18:29.000 Now, I feel like a lot of people sense that Charlie, but I'll be totally honest.

00:18:35.000 Like when people say Charlie Kirk was murdered by powerful interests, my first reaction was, why?

00:18:43.000 Because isn't he just really like, then I started to examine what is Charlie Kirk and what was Charlie Kirk doing with nothing like the dexterity or deliberateness that you have.

00:18:52.000 And that's what I want to hear about.

00:18:53.000 But like, I thought, oh, yeah, right.

00:18:55.000 He's mobilizing young people to vote in a particular way.

00:18:59.000 That's what it boils down to.

00:19:00.000 Because, you know, what you're describing about yourself is relevant to anyone that works in this new media space to varying degrees at various times.

00:19:08.000 There was obviously a big change when Trump went into office because a lot of independent media essentially started to fulfill the same function as mainstream media, i.e., advocating in a partisan way for the incumbent, for the person that's in power.

00:19:23.000 You've obviously not done that.

00:19:25.000 Now, I, but my simple reaction was: I don't know who would want Charlie Kirk dead.

00:19:30.000 What difference is it going to?

00:19:31.000 Who benefits from Charlie Kirk being killed?

00:19:34.000 Who benefits?

00:19:35.000 Like, as they say, qui bono, that's the question to always ask.

00:19:38.000 And I actually didn't understand how Israel benefits from Charlie Kirk being murdered. 0.71

00:19:44.000 Certainly can't see yet how like sort of French special forces could, you know, so tell, can you explain that to me?

00:19:53.000 Because I don't understand who benefits from, but I also know that whenever I've seen it my whole life, a long gunman killed RFK, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X.

00:20:02.000 I know that's a lie.

00:20:03.000 So I'm open.

00:20:05.000 So what is it?

00:20:06.000 So look, I can tell you that from the moment that Charlie got shot, and I can't explain it.

00:20:10.000 And maybe it's because Charlie would tell me all the time that he was going to die young.

00:20:14.000 And I showed those messages.

00:20:15.000 And I just knew that this was big.

00:20:18.000 I knew it was big.

00:20:19.000 I didn't have the players.

00:20:20.000 I certainly didn't suspect Turning Point USA would be, as I believe, involved in a cover-up.

00:20:25.000 And we can talk about what the motives are of that.

00:20:27.000 They could be financial motives.

00:20:29.000 It doesn't necessarily mean they were involved in plotting to kill him.

00:20:32.000 And I've never said that.

00:20:33.000 But I do believe that they have betrayed him since.

00:20:36.000 And I am comfortable saying that today because I know that they have told lies.

00:20:40.000 I know they have withheld information that if truly you were motivated by goodness and truth, you would come out and you would say it.

00:20:45.000 Like there are people at Turning Point who Charlie texted the night before and said they are going to kill me.

00:20:49.000 Well, if you're trying to figure out who killed Charlie Kirk, wouldn't that be a good thing to come forward with to the public and say Charlie thought that he was going to be murdered the night before?

00:20:57.000 And they're not doing that.

00:20:58.000 So to me, to not assist that investigation is not something that I'm going to ignore.

00:21:04.000 Also, to not answer basic questions that if I said to you, Russell, where were you when Charlie got shot?

00:21:11.000 You're not going to get defensive and weird.

00:21:12.000 You're just going to, I can tell you why I was, I was sitting plotting, you know, planning my next show at the kitchen counter and they are being very strange about details on that day.

00:21:21.000 It makes me uncomfortable.

00:21:23.000 If someone, the easier task, if somebody, if the internet thinks that, you know, Mikey McCoy, who was the person who, you know, instantly picked up the phone and walked away when Charlie got shot, who was the chief of staff, if people find that behavior to be suspicious, and I do find it to be not what I would do if a shot went off, I don't, obviously everybody else ran or ducked and he instantly picked up the phone.

00:21:46.000 I would just show my call log and I would be like, guys, this is crazy.

00:21:49.000 Like I called my mom and here's and so it's the absence of answering and the blaming and the yelling that feels off to people.

00:21:58.000 And I think that's fair.

00:21:59.000 I think spiritually people are sensing their intuition is coming online and saying, this just doesn't feel right.

00:22:05.000 Again, we can assign different motives.

00:22:06.000 There are donors that were pressuring Charlie.

00:22:08.000 Those donors are still there.

00:22:10.000 They could be saying, we want you to never tell us to make it so that he is his memory.

00:22:17.000 Rather, they're fighting over his memory, his legacy, that he was Judeo-Christian.

00:22:21.000 I'm not comfortable when the spokesperson of Turning Point USA comes out and essentially tries to paint a picture like I'm lying when I very lightly and reminiscing about me and Charlie mentioned that, you know, our last conversations, just like I would say this if you, God forbid, died tomorrow.

00:22:36.000 Use that as an example.

00:22:38.000 Yeah, but I would say I was pushing Russell to become Catholic because that's true, right? 1.00

00:22:43.000 It would be very strange if your spokesperson came out and said, that's absolutely not true.

00:22:47.000 He was not praying the rosary.

00:22:49.000 He, she never had this discussion.

00:22:51.000 That's what Turning Point USA did.

00:22:53.000 They came, there was a discussion between Andrew Kovet and Alex Clark because I don't know why, but the Judeo-Christian syndicate of influencers ceased on this one sentence.

00:23:03.000 I said, in it, it never wasn't meant to be antagonistic.

00:23:07.000 It was just an honest, like, oh, you know, we were talking about Catholicism.

00:23:10.000 And they all started making videos saying it's absolutely not true.

00:23:12.000 Charlie never flirted with it.

00:23:14.000 They knew, Turning Point knew that Charlie was going to mass sometimes daily.

00:23:18.000 They knew he was praying the rosary.

00:23:20.000 They knew that Erica took a priest to prayer for his body when he died.

00:23:23.000 So you have to ask the question, why lie?

00:23:26.000 And I think that just any lie at all makes me feel uncomfortable because lies are not necessary unless you're covering something up.

00:23:33.000 No matter what the lie is, why do we lie to cover something up?

00:23:36.000 So that's a fair assessment that they're engaged in some sort of a cover-up, whether it's about his legacy, where he was at spiritually.

00:23:43.000 And then you have to ask deeper questions.

00:23:45.000 Why?

00:23:46.000 Now, what I would say that I get your point about why I get your point, but this is the undoubtedly when that event took place, if you think about it, right?

00:23:59.000 I don't know if you have these kind of conversations.

00:24:00.000 I talk to people all the time that what you call in the normal world that watch the BBC, that read the Sunday Times, you know, like people that are back in England.

00:24:07.000 And those people back in England suddenly had to deal with the way they're now having to deal with you.

00:24:12.000 They had to deal with Charlie Cook.

00:24:13.000 They're like, what is this Charlie Cook?

00:24:15.000 I'd never really heard of him before.

00:24:16.000 Why is this so important?

00:24:17.000 And clearly, it was some sort of event that unlocked or created or generated, or perhaps it's deeper even than that.

00:24:25.000 And even the power preceded it.

00:24:26.000 But there was, if someone had told me the day before Charlie Kirk had died, Charlie Kirk's going to die, what do you think the reaction would be?

00:24:32.000 I would think it will be quite sort of marginal and focused among people that are into conservatism and young conservatives and Republican supporters.

00:24:42.000 I didn't, I wouldn't have said it's going to become a global phenomenon and JD Vance will be there getting the coffin back and it's going to be like I just would never have imagined it would have that degree of impact.

00:24:53.000 And the fact is that it has done.

00:24:55.000 It's been only pokele shift.

00:24:57.000 And I sort of thought, well, where do you go back for a precedent of like, you know, what's the last thing in the culture that's sort of a bit like this that's happened?

00:25:05.000 And I feel like, well, it is the assassinations of the 60s.

00:25:09.000 Yeah, you know, and that's sort of weird because we now know that we know for a fact that whatever we were told about the murder of Robert Kennedy or John Kennedy or Martin Luther King or Malcolm X, that's not what it was.

00:25:23.000 It was evidence of ulterior power moving.

00:25:26.000 Now, when it comes specifically to turning point, I can sort of just, Candice, to tell you the truth, sort of intuit that everyone wants ownership of this legacy.

00:25:35.000 There's so much power in the legacy that everyone's like, well, actually, we think it should go this way.

00:25:40.000 You know, and as I actually, as a Christian, I would say this is sort of an indicator of something that's broader and stronger.

00:25:46.000 Is I can't collapse my love of Jesus Christ into so vote Republican.

00:25:54.000 What I'm learning as I grow deeper in love with him, it makes it less and less clear to me that I should be doing anything except serving him, that my opinions are always potentially wrong.

00:26:06.000 I'm potentially always might be in sin or in the flesh.

00:26:08.000 Now, I believe I'm saved, I've surrendered to him.

00:26:10.000 But what I'm saying is, is that the culture is not going to deliver solutions.

00:26:15.000 And I would, before me personally, but I've not seen what you've seen, I recognize that.

00:26:20.000 I wouldn't, before I ascribed malign motives, specifically, I suppose, to the people around Turning Point, I would consider right. 0.59

00:26:28.000 They're probably in grief.

00:26:29.000 They're probably worried about the future of the movement.

00:26:32.000 Anything that becomes big, as soon as you become big, you're going to, like, you know, any of us, oh, do you take this advertising money?

00:26:39.000 Do you take this relationship with this platform?

00:26:42.000 Do we even, like, it's gotten to the point, don't you think, where people even, do we interview one another?

00:26:46.000 Like, you know, oh, is it okay for me to go and talk to this person or that person because that person doesn't like that person anymore?

00:26:52.000 And like, you know, I can't get on that podcast.

00:26:54.000 You know, it all changes.

00:26:54.000 It's so, it's volatile is what I'm saying.

00:26:57.000 And I think that the volatility, you know, like Breitbart's famous thing, he says, like, that, you know, politics is downstream of culture.

00:27:05.000 Well, of course, culture is downstream of technology.

00:27:08.000 And the Canadian, very famous philosopher Marshall McLuhan said famously, the medium is the message.

00:27:14.000 Meaning that, you know, 30, 40 years ago, whatever it was, the medium was television or print media.

00:27:20.000 It was centralized.

00:27:22.000 It was central control.

00:27:23.000 Now, what's the medium?

00:27:24.000 Candice Owens.

00:27:26.000 It's Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul.

00:27:28.000 It's Alex Jones.

00:27:29.000 And all these people, they're not behaving because they don't have to.

00:27:32.000 Like, you know, because like, cause I knew the last incarnation of celebrities.

00:27:36.000 I've been around, you know, as you have.

00:27:38.000 Obviously, he isn't no one more famous than Kanye, but like, but you know, he's a pretty unique case in so many ways.

00:27:44.000 They were a lot of them and nuts, aren't they?

00:27:46.000 You know, I knew Diddy made a movie with Diddy.

00:27:48.000 I could tell that guy was kind of off key.

00:27:50.000 But a lot of people that are successful business people that are having a bunch of sex, they've got a bunch of power are unusual.

00:27:57.000 But what they're not doing is going, I wonder what Israel's involvement is in American politics.

00:28:03.000 I wonder if there are demonic.

00:28:05.000 I mean, Alex Jones, to his credit, from the get-go, was, along with people like David Icke, we think there are demonic forces that are manipulating human systems.

00:28:13.000 Obviously, the other place you're going to find that is the Bible.

00:28:16.000 The Bible says evil has conquered human institutions like the media, like the government, like the judiciary.

00:28:22.000 So you are in an unbelievable and unique but incredibly dangerous position.

00:28:28.000 And I'm here in your home and I've seen your beautiful son, one of them.

00:28:34.000 And, you know, I've had this question before, and I don't think I've been as close to the sun as you are now.

00:28:42.000 Are you not afraid in an earthly, motherly way for the potential consequences of what you're saying? 0.98

00:28:52.000 Given, particularly that we're talking about you've said publicly that Brigitte and, you know, that other guy that hangs around with her, the other one with a penis, Emmanuel. 0.97

00:29:04.000 That's no Christ within there. 1.00

00:29:06.000 That's penis without. 0.99

00:29:08.000 Like, you know, like saying, you know, that they've issued a death threat and that you've had, it's a credible threat. 0.99

00:29:14.000 So, firstly, of course, there's the sort of the fluffy story of, you know, exciting, fluffy woo story of that. 0.94

00:29:21.000 Also, bloody hell, mate, are you not a bit worried that you might get murdered? 0.67

00:29:24.000 Well, I think everyone in the world, after you watch Charlie get publicly executed, sensed fear. 0.98

00:29:32.000 If you were in the public sphere, I think you probably felt whoa, chill.

00:29:35.000 Every person, I think, realized, wow, this is not, we're in politics and we are now seeing what the political system is.

00:29:42.000 And they are willing to kill for power.

00:29:45.000 And that's why it became plausible, you know, right out of the gate that Charlie was killed because of power.

00:29:52.000 Before they even came out with kind of the ridiculous story about the 30-odd six and the Superman neck, and because he eats carrots, whatever it is, people sense that there's a possibility here that the world could be this evil.

00:30:04.000 And I think that also, by the way, is what gripped people globally: you kind of saw this guy and you felt spiritually impacted by watching him be publicly executed.

00:30:12.000 If Charlie had died in an accident, I don't think it would have had the same impact, but it was, they chose to publicly execute him.

00:30:20.000 And so, yeah, of course, there was an element of, okay, this is getting, this is getting real, this is getting serious.

00:30:27.000 My greatest fear is not getting into heaven because I actually am a Christian.

00:30:33.000 And I question the Christians who lie, who choose to lie because they are so attached to the earthly possessions that they are getting in terms of money. 0.99

00:30:46.000 My bigger fear is my children growing up in a world that's run by pedophiles. 0.85

00:30:50.000 That terrifies me.

00:30:51.000 And to be clear, I did not go into this consciously.

00:30:55.000 Right.

00:30:56.000 When I was covering the Brigitte and Emmanuel story, if you thought that I would end up here and suddenly questioning whether or not Brigitte could have been in America on that day, which is where I'm at right now, you're out of your mind.

00:31:05.000 I mean, I literally thought, oh my God, this is so funny.

00:31:07.000 Like, yes, like this person, like, I read the story and it was quite literally, this whole thing starts with the Daily Mail article where I saw a headline that Emmanuel Macron denies his wife's a man.

00:31:20.000 This had not broken in the English-speaking world.

00:31:24.000 So I was like, what a strange little, why, what's going on in France that this president has to come out and deny that his wife's a man?

00:31:29.000 Like, that's funny.

00:31:30.000 And I read the article and the Daily Mail article was not sufficient in debunking it. 0.91

00:31:35.000 Was kind of, and this is obviously ridiculous and crazy, and you know, all of the words.

00:31:40.000 And they're like, There's this one photo or two photos of Brigitte as a child. 0.60

00:31:43.000 And I'm like, What do you mean, as a child?

00:31:45.000 Like, there should just be tons of photos because she has children. 0.72

00:31:47.000 And so then I pivoted to where the rumors came from.

00:31:51.000 And I sat there and I read, and I just, my jaw hit the floor.

00:31:55.000 I was like, What do you mean?

00:31:56.000 There's just no photos for 30 years of somebody's life.

00:31:58.000 This can't be a real thing.

00:32:01.000 And I thought it was so interesting that the implications here for me that I thought were more severe is that the entire media of France would collude to hide this very obvious thing, right?

00:32:11.000 So it was more like, this is funny.

00:32:14.000 And then I get fired from a daily wire almost, I think, two weeks after covering that story.

00:32:21.000 Covered it in March.

00:32:22.000 I got fired in March of 2024.

00:32:25.000 The next thing I know, I'm fired.

00:32:27.000 I start my new podcast.

00:32:29.000 I'm getting, I get demonetized on YouTube.

00:32:31.000 They're hitting me over speaking about the Brigitte thing again.

00:32:35.000 And come December, I'm getting a cease and desist from the president of France.

00:32:39.000 And then come February, I'm getting a phone call from the president of the United States.

00:32:42.000 And I'm going, what is going on?

00:32:44.000 People kind of had a base assumption that people in France are into some weird stuff.

00:32:50.000 Nobody had an assumption that this could cause an international crisis.

00:32:55.000 And then when I actually sat down that December with Xavier Poussard and got the full download on the story, he's the one who did the Becoming Brigitte series and wrote the book on it.

00:33:05.000 I went, oh, wow, this is way more severe than I had realized.

00:33:09.000 And we are talking about a culture that fosters pedophilia and being protected by governments worldwide.

00:33:15.000 That's important, you know?

00:33:17.000 And it felt like a story that I needed to bring to light.

00:33:19.000 That was kind of what, that's how that happened.

00:33:21.000 It was very natural.

00:33:22.000 There was no, I want to be super controversial.

00:33:25.000 I just think it's important that we're not ruled by pedophiles, actually.

00:33:29.000 Hold on.

00:33:29.000 Let's think about that for a second.

00:33:31.000 Have you considered this from the humble pedophiles perspective?

00:33:36.000 So like, Candace, what I like about both these examples is that you're saying that it began with intrigue.

00:33:44.000 And I think that's what this kind of media permits, like the intrigue or curiosity or inquiry.

00:33:49.000 Like you said, you were when you were a little girl.

00:33:51.000 People go, you know, you go to your room because I said so.

00:33:54.000 And you're like, well, hang on a minute.

00:33:55.000 What's your authority based on?

00:33:56.000 And where's it coming from?

00:33:58.000 How do I get rid of it?

00:33:59.000 Can I vote you out?

00:34:00.000 Who makes you my mom and dad?

00:34:02.000 Yeah, asking questions.

00:34:04.000 You're asking questions.

00:34:05.000 So you're just asking questions.

00:34:06.000 Now, funny enough, obviously, in light of you talking about it because of your impact and influence, you know, everyone's talking about it and wondering about it and curious about it.

00:34:16.000 And, you know, I'm English and all, so I've got some French friends, not many because of the many wars between Britain and France and the great animosity that exists between our two countries and perhaps always will.

00:34:26.000 But my mate, Jerome, like when we were talking about you and everything you were saying, he goes like, in France, everyone, like, like, not everyone, my guess is France probably has a sort of a culture of people that are red-pilled or whatever that would be, red-croissant.

00:34:39.000 And like, they all know.

00:34:40.000 They're like, we all talk about that.

00:34:42.000 We all know.

00:34:43.000 And then he's like, well, look, come on, look at these photos and stuff.

00:34:45.000 And like, you know, obviously the same source material, I guess, as you're using.

00:34:48.000 And like, saying, oh my God, yeah, that kid there in the glasses, that's her.

00:34:52.000 That's, you know, like, where's that?

00:34:54.000 So, but think about the fact that despite this, everybody knows.

00:34:58.000 So, what actually are we elites doing by deciding to bring about a lawsuit?

00:35:02.000 Like, you're basically going to say, how dare you know?

00:35:04.000 We'll bankrupt you for knowing.

00:35:05.000 Like, that is the attitude that I just, this is such, this is beyond arbitrary authority.

00:35:10.000 It's telling somebody not to believe your own eyes.

00:35:14.000 Okay, fine.

00:35:14.000 You figured this out.

00:35:15.000 You rumbled us.

00:35:16.000 This is a man.

00:35:16.000 And what we're going to do now is we're going to show people the consequence for standing up to arbitrary authority and we're going to bankrupt you.

00:35:24.000 Like that can't be allowed, actually.

00:35:27.000 And we're going to do this never-before international lawsuit from a sitting president to teach you slaves that you better get in line. 0.99

00:35:36.000 That's how it feels to me.

00:35:37.000 That's how it feels.

00:35:38.000 I think you're right.

00:35:38.000 Why didn't they just come out and say, you know what?

00:35:40.000 Emmanuel's kinky and it's none of your business. 0.84

00:35:44.000 Oh, ignore it. 0.92

00:35:45.000 Ignore it.

00:35:45.000 Ignore it completely.

00:35:47.000 It's very interesting.

00:35:48.000 It's very interesting indeed.

00:35:51.000 Now, there are a few questions, obviously, like how does that relate to power?

00:35:55.000 And obviously, you've alluded to it's interesting that pedophilia keeps coming up.

00:35:59.000 And me, you know me well enough to know by now that I will, of course, be continually relating your plight and your challenges to my own.

00:36:05.000 I hope that's not just wanton narcissism and solipsism.

00:36:09.000 But like there was a point where, like, where I was making content a lot about COVID and the pandemic and not trusting the government narrative or the global narrative, the interests of big pharma.

00:36:19.000 And like when I was first getting into doing stuff on YouTube, I suppose the reason I identify with what you're saying about both Macron and Charlie, God rest his soul, is that I was just talking about things like, oh, that's weird.

00:36:29.000 Why are you telling us all to get in our homes?

00:36:31.000 What do you mean there was a planned, they did a version of this, Event 201, a couple of years before?

00:36:35.000 What do you mean?

00:36:36.000 No, surely what Bobby Kennedy's written in this book about Anthony Fauci can't be true.

00:36:40.000 Oh, gain of function is, oh my God, they did fund research at DARPA.

00:36:44.000 Oh no, Pfizer are oppressing the files.

00:36:49.000 The problem is, I believe, that because of the technology, this technology could be used to create total centralized control.

00:36:56.000 It would be plausible to have a form of explicit or implicit one-world government where people with social credit scored and under maximal control possible, where AI and robot technology could handle labor.

00:37:08.000 You'd need a minimal surf class.

00:37:10.000 And the last thing you want are awakened people talking about God and supreme authority that transcends all material rational authority.

00:37:19.000 And Lord alone knows whether or not, as it says in scripture, there are dark motivations for this.

00:37:24.000 So the continual recourse and return to ideas like pedophilia, pedophilia.

00:37:30.000 I don't know why I said it in that way.

00:37:31.000 Pedophilia, I've changed my accent for you probably.

00:37:34.000 Pedophilia and like sort of Satanism and dark, weird rituals.

00:37:40.000 Like, doesn't it seem, do you ever wonder, mate, like how like things that are in the Bible and then things like Alex Jones and David Icke are the two examples I always use because they were people that were talking about power and talking about centralized power and talking about global imperialism and talking about occultism for a long, long while.

00:37:58.000 These people have been talking about it for a long, long while. 0.88

00:38:03.000 Do you think that there's, because the counter argument to you and me, they'll say, well, no, that guy was just like some mad sex offender. 0.93

00:38:10.000 That's what you think about me. 1.00

00:38:11.000 And she's just a lunatic. 1.00

00:38:13.000 They're too lunatic. 1.00

00:38:14.000 The counter argument to you're telling the truth and I was telling the truth during the COVID era, the counter argument is these are just two show-off idiot lunatics with their own agenda, grifters out to make money. 1.00

00:38:27.000 In my case, rapist. 1.00

00:38:28.000 In your case, whatever they're calling you right now. 0.97

00:38:30.000 So, you know, but what is clearly happening is there's a moment when Joe Rogan's power was too big for them to crush.

00:38:37.000 They tried to crush Joe Rogan.

00:38:39.000 They couldn't.

00:38:39.000 But in the subsequent period, Joe Rogan's content has seemed different, it seems to me.

00:38:44.000 And then there's a period where it's me and the rape charge.

00:38:46.000 It was all too much for me. 0.99

00:38:47.000 And I had to take a minute to get my shit together. 0.62

00:38:49.000 And thankfully, it brought me to the Lord and made me realize I'd been worshiping myself in various ways. 0.98

00:38:54.000 And even when I thought I was spiritual, I was still involved in self-worship.

00:38:57.000 And only really Jesus, only Jesus can do it.

00:38:59.000 It's only the submission to the man God that opens that frequency that can do it for you.

00:39:04.000 So do you, how, when you're saying things like, were Israel or French forces involved in the murder of Charlie Coke?

00:39:12.000 And that, you know, Brigitte Macron is a man and that's connected to these nefarious ulterior forces that are ultimately in power.

00:39:20.000 Clear that these things relate to power because if you've got the power to have Jeffrey Epstein killed in jail, make it look like a suicide and have it so that people sort of just forget about it, or do a global pandemic and lie at the beginning and then have people just forget about it, or maybe, you know, have Charlie Kirk murdered, just forget about it.

00:39:39.000 What the hell is going on with world leaders?

00:39:42.000 In what ways are they compromised?

00:39:45.000 What is the reason that they're doing it?

00:39:47.000 And I recognize that that's a very protein space where through conjecture and speculation, you could paint all sorts of pictures of demonic cults and Alistair Crowley and Satanism and pentagrams.

00:39:58.000 And some people just say it's money and resources and power.

00:40:01.000 So I guess in the end, something that Whitney Webb, who I'm sure you agree, is a pretty bloody good journalist, would say is where is the corroboration?

00:40:09.000 What are we seeing that's indefatigable?

00:40:12.000 What are we seeing in the case of were Israel involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk?

00:40:18.000 Is there some connection to Israel?

00:40:20.000 Do you think the neighborhood of Israel is fundamental in even issues as seemingly diffuse and only really connected through you, you know, and you being the person that's reported on them as Brigitte Macron's true identity and Charlie Kirk's murder?

00:40:36.000 Do you think these things are connected?

00:40:38.000 Yes, I think it's all connected.

00:40:39.000 And I think in many ways we already live in this sort of one world government system.

00:40:42.000 Maybe it's two world, but in terms of the West, I don't think there's any difference in the governments.

00:40:47.000 And that's kind of the point that we're making.

00:40:48.000 And maybe why the Charlie Kirk case is so crucial because it's showing us that, wait, what is the divide here between America and Israel and France, right?

00:40:57.000 I just told people that somebody in the French government alerted me to an assassination attempt.

00:41:04.000 Shouldn't that require a comment from the president of the United States?

00:41:08.000 Shouldn't the president of the states be forced to make a statement about that?

00:41:11.000 He received that information.

00:41:13.000 Wouldn't you think it's the most viral?

00:41:15.000 It was the most viral global story for three days.

00:41:18.000 And the White House has chosen not to comment.

00:41:20.000 What does that signal to the population?

00:41:22.000 That it's okay for France to be involved in assassination attempts, that they're, at least if he thought that I was completely making it up and I gave him the evidence it was made up, he would be required to come out and say, we are looking at that situation and that there's, there's nothing here.

00:41:35.000 There's no evidence of that.

00:41:37.000 They're doing none of that.

00:41:39.000 And that should alarm people.

00:41:40.000 That should very, very much alarm people.

00:41:44.000 I believe that there is that there is some truth to what David Icke has said and what Alex Jones has said.

00:41:52.000 People before them have said that there has been these dark, demonic, satanic cults.

00:41:58.000 It's the reason why I started my book club because I needed to understand where this was coming from in the only way that it can make sense, which is that these people are being guided by a theology, right?

00:42:09.000 This goes back to one of the more brilliant things that my husband said, right?

00:42:13.000 When we, I guess you could say we dated for 18 days, but I said, why did you, why did you read theology at Oxford?

00:42:19.000 Like, what a boring subject.

00:42:21.000 And he said, everything is theology.

00:42:24.000 And I've now realized he's right.

00:42:26.000 They are guided by a theology.

00:42:28.000 And I had to then go back and try to understand Sebatianism and Frankism.

00:42:37.000 Do you know a bit about this?

00:42:38.000 No, explain them.

00:42:39.000 Yeah.

00:42:40.000 So I, at the same time that I'm sort of questioning what's going on, I, for whatever reason, fell into a hole regarding modern psychology, Sigmund Freud.

00:42:50.000 Sigmund Freud, factually, okay, there's no disputing this because the Jewish Ashkenazi Jewish director of the Sigmund Freud archives, who was working under Anna Freud and he was about to become the next director.

00:43:03.000 So he was the assistant director, decided, I'm going to actually learn German so I can read all of his notes that have not been published to the public.

00:43:10.000 He was studying to be a psychoanalyst and was like, this is amazing.

00:43:13.000 I have access to all of this stuff.

00:43:15.000 So this guy's name is Jeffrey Masson, very brave man.

00:43:18.000 He's now like 84.

00:43:20.000 And I'm so glad that his book is flying off the shelves in his old age.

00:43:24.000 So he reads Sigmund Freud's notes and he goes, Wait a second.

00:43:27.000 Sigmund Freud famously came up with this theory that children were attracted to their parents and that they were having these dreams and these things never happened to them.

00:43:38.000 And then he says, no, he actually knew that these women were being, these children were being raped.

00:43:42.000 He knew. 0.99

00:43:43.000 And he knew some of them were being raped to death. 0.99

00:43:46.000 He had gone down. 0.87

00:43:46.000 He had seen the evidence at the morgue. 0.87

00:43:49.000 And so he goes, oh, this is crazy.

00:43:50.000 He runs to Anna and he says, hey, your dad, we've made this big error. 0.99

00:43:55.000 Your dad actually was gaslighting these kids and gaslighting these people who were being raped, incestuously raped. 0.69

00:44:02.000 And so he thinks he's going to run to the psychoanalytic people and say, ta-da, we can now correct history. 0.96

00:44:10.000 And what happens is he gets kicked out.

00:44:12.000 He gets kicked out and he publishes the book anyways with the proof that Sigmund Freud knew this.

00:44:18.000 And Anna Freud did not stop him from publishing the book, which is very interesting.

00:44:21.000 She had the power to, and they were pressuring her to stop the publication of the book, but she let it fly.

00:44:27.000 And that book, The Assault on Truth, is a very difficult read.

00:44:30.000 It is the number one thing people should read because he is the father of modern psychology.

00:44:35.000 Okay.

00:44:36.000 Modern psychology is gaslighting, gaslighting. 0.85

00:44:39.000 Funny thing about Sigmund Freud, which is even more compelling, is he too, for years, when he first got into psychoanalytics, he said, oh, these kids are actually being raped.

00:44:52.000 And that was his poorly named seduction theory, that these kids are not lying.

00:44:56.000 These kids are being raped by their parents. 0.94

00:44:57.000 And here's the evidence for it. 0.99

00:44:58.000 And then he does this flip when he turns 35 and says, never mind.

00:45:02.000 And this is when he's hailed as a hero.

00:45:04.000 And similarly, he was rejected when he was telling the truth from his own psychoanalytic community in Vienna.

00:45:11.000 And then he switches, changes his mind.

00:45:13.000 The second book that people should read is Sigmund Freud and the Jewish Mystical Tradition.

00:45:18.000 Sigmund Freud came from a Sabacean family.

00:45:21.000 This is Jewish mysticism.

00:45:22.000 It actually has nothing to do with the Torah.

00:45:24.000 It has absolutely nothing to do with the old law.

00:45:27.000 In fact, they said the old law was fulfilled and they believed that this man, Sabbatai Zevi, was their Messiah.

00:45:33.000 They have wiped, virtually wiped this man from history, even though half of the world Jewry followed him, believed he was the Messiah. 0.98

00:45:42.000 He was a homosexual psychopath who believed in practicing incest as a sacrament. 0.99

00:45:48.000 This is how they were going to move forward in the world. 0.99

00:45:51.000 And this was a, they worshipped the Kabbalah.

00:45:55.000 Their high book is the, it's, what is the Zor, Zora, the Zohar, thank you.

00:46:04.000 It was like, the Zohar. 1.00

00:46:07.000 And they believe that you rape your kids when they're seven, but you don't tell them why they're raped until they're 35. 0.94

00:46:14.000 Now, this is an inversion of some people tell me of the mystic tradition. 0.99

00:46:18.000 They've, you know, they've kind of, it's kind of from the book of the dead in Egypt, really, but they rape their kids.

00:46:23.000 And Sigmund Freud discovered that the reason that they do this, this is Sigmund Freud's work, is because it conditions the child to grow up to be a psychopath because of what they have to go through trying to understand why their parents did this.

00:46:32.000 This is all real.

00:46:34.000 This is not, all of these authors are Jewish.

00:46:36.000 They're not, they support the Jewish movement. 0.95

00:46:39.000 The second author, David Bakan, I think actually regrets writing his book because he thought it was going to be this like expose of, you know, why the Jews in Europe should be sympathized for.

00:46:48.000 And then people went, wait, what are you, what's going on here?

00:46:52.000 Like, there's this, all this incestuous rape happening. 0.97

00:46:55.000 And I think this is actually the reason.

00:46:58.000 And I encourage Jewish people to read this book as well.

00:47:00.000 I don't think they know their own history because at this time there was a great schism.

00:47:05.000 There were actual Jews who were following the Torah to the letter of the law who were getting kicked out of countries because of these Sebastian Frankists who were actually raping kids. 0.98

00:47:16.000 And there's nothing new under the sun, right?

00:47:19.000 So their instinct is to go, why am I being kicked out of a country?

00:47:22.000 What did I do, right?

00:47:23.000 I had nothing to do with this.

00:47:25.000 These are anti-Semitic tropes.

00:47:27.000 And yet these people were funded by the richest people in the world.

00:47:31.000 Jacob Frank was given a castle in Germany, in Offenbach, Germany.

00:47:35.000 He was turned, made a barren, by the way. 0.99

00:47:37.000 Part of what they believe in is apostasy.

00:47:40.000 They mass convert into other faiths, right? 0.97

00:47:42.000 And they did.

00:47:43.000 The Frankists mass converted to save themselves from the Jews, the actual Torah Jews who kicked them out, into the Catholic faith, right? 0.99

00:47:51.000 This could be where all of the scandals in the Catholic faith came from.

00:47:56.000 There was a lie, and this is really important to share, that when you start talking about Sebastianism and Frankism, that this was an old fringe movement.

00:48:03.000 This is absolutely untrue.

00:48:05.000 You can read Israeli historian Gershom Scholem's work.

00:48:08.000 Not only is it not true, the very first Jewish support, a Supreme Court justice in America was a Frankist. 0.74

00:48:15.000 He kept a picture of Ava Frank on his Supreme Court desk.

00:48:18.000 That's Louis Brandes, okay?

00:48:20.000 It's right in your face what's going on.

00:48:22.000 Okay.

00:48:22.000 They have tremendous amount of power.

00:48:24.000 They've always had power.

00:48:25.000 And it is because what they believe in is evil is okay.

00:48:29.000 They believe in the doctrine of evil, that you must lower yourself and commit the most depraved acts of evil to prove that evil doesn't actually exist.

00:48:38.000 And then you can ascend in society.

00:48:41.000 That to me seems to be the guiding philosophy of people in Israel, I would say.

00:48:47.000 Like this idea that this is a Sebastian concept, that you can commit acts of evil to get ahead in society is when I see what's happening in Gaza. 0.95

00:48:58.000 I'm like, how can you, as a human, be okay?

00:48:59.000 I don't care about your religion. 1.00

00:49:01.000 I don't care about your philosophy.

00:49:02.000 It's like, how do you look at this and not understand this is evil?

00:49:05.000 Well, you can speak to Christian Zionists, I think, in America, have now, they are trickling into the Sebastian concept of, well, there's a bigger goodness that's going to happen if we allow this evil to take place. 0.98

00:49:17.000 You need to understand where this ideology stems from.

00:49:20.000 And that's what I'm committed to helping people to understand.

00:49:23.000 Hey, Eulot, we're not going to be on YouTube anymore.

00:49:25.000 You know why.

00:49:26.000 You're identifying an ideology, or to use the perhaps correct term that you cited at the beginning of your answer, a theology of evil that exists concomitantly with the evolution of our kind.

00:49:42.000 Now, you know, I've only read the Bible once because I'm reading the Bible in one year and it's been over a year since I started.

00:49:47.000 So I've read the whole Bible once.

00:49:49.000 And obviously, as you go through the Old Testament, it's continually a theme of how the chosen people are in precisely the kind of fraught and intermittent schism that you're describing.

00:50:04.000 Good leaders and good prophets are called, good men and women are called into positions of power, and then evil in the form usually of false idolatry, Moloch and Baal and various other gods that appear based on my limited understanding of a limited reading of scripture to have at the forefront sacrifice of children.

00:50:27.000 Sexual conduct seems to be at the very forefront of these transgressions.

00:50:32.000 There's the sense that it's orgastic cults that revolved in child sacrifice.

00:50:37.000 It feels like that's what's going.

00:50:39.000 It was an orgastic cult, to be clear.

00:50:40.000 It is exactly what it was.

00:50:42.000 Their rituals consisted, and Jacob Frank did this, of violating sexual order, fathers sleeping with daughters, ecstasy.

00:50:48.000 This is actually where Aleister Crowley stems from this.

00:50:51.000 So they believe in reincarnation.

00:50:53.000 So every century, there's a new, it was Sebastian in the 1700s.

00:50:59.000 It was Jacob Frank who said, I'm the reincarnated him in the 1800s.

00:51:02.000 Aleister Crowley.

00:51:04.000 It just keeps coming back.

00:51:05.000 And it's the same exact thing.

00:51:07.000 It never changes until you understand the theology that this is real.

00:51:11.000 It's been happening.

00:51:12.000 This is not a figment of your imagination.

00:51:14.000 And it is, of course, satanic.

00:51:17.000 They want to violate natural order.

00:51:20.000 Natural order is God, right?

00:51:21.000 So it is, and they, but they admit it.

00:51:23.000 There's nothing that they follow the philosophy of a doctrine of evil.

00:51:27.000 Where it gets scary is that you have people who are well-meaning Jews who don't know that this is where it comes from.

00:51:32.000 So even the Star of David, that was never a symbol for Judaism until Sebastian Zebi, 1666, right?

00:51:39.000 This is when he declared himself the Messiah in 1666.

00:51:43.000 And that symbol is actually from Solomon.

00:51:48.000 They believe that it has like, you know, mystic powers.

00:51:51.000 And prior to that, it was the Kiddish cup that represented Judaism.

00:51:56.000 So if you go on Wikipedia, it'll tell you that.

00:51:59.000 It's Kabbalistic.

00:52:00.000 So they're wearing the Star of David.

00:52:02.000 The Jews that I went to school with, do I think that they're practicing orgies?

00:52:08.000 No, of course not.

00:52:09.000 Of course not.

00:52:09.000 The reformed Jews are not doing that that I went to school with.

00:52:12.000 They don't know where that comes from in the same way that I don't know my history.

00:52:16.000 We are all born and raised.

00:52:18.000 We're told these things.

00:52:19.000 They're being told, you wear this because the Holocaust happened and, you know, you should love this symbol. 0.99

00:52:24.000 It's a symbol of who you are.

00:52:25.000 And I am challenging them to learn more because it does go back to ball worship.

00:52:30.000 You're exactly correct when you say that.

00:52:32.000 They don't know that no more than I knew things about black history.

00:52:37.000 You know what you're told.

00:52:40.000 We have to all become more studious on the topic of theology is what I think.

00:52:45.000 Yes, in the study of absolute truth.

00:52:49.000 And in order to study truth, there has to be a willingness to unplug from what you think you know.

00:52:55.000 Now, people, I've long understood that there's a kind of correlative and parallel between awakening and a kind of insanity and even foolishness, because as one unsubscribes from the doctrine of a culture that will tell you these are the people that are good, these are the ideas that are good, these are the institutions you can trust, these are the institutions you can't trust, you are in a kind of very protein, volatile wilderness space.

00:53:22.000 And I think the culture is kind of emulating that right now.

00:53:25.000 Indeed, the technology is facilitating mass communication at such pace that you could almost say that time itself is being affected.

00:53:32.000 Imagine the communication miracles that we easily and even now participate in, Candice, and how that would compare to a time where people are creating papayas and scribing on stones and stuff.

00:53:42.000 Like time itself would seem slower.

00:53:45.000 Time itself would seem slower.

00:53:47.000 And somehow, somehow in this atemporal space, we have to have to locate the very notion of good.

00:53:54.000 Now, the first thing that's not possible is to locate good if people tell you there is no God.

00:53:59.000 If you're told that nature is the sum of itself, materialism is all.

00:54:04.000 The universe began in an explosion caused by nothing, and all of the rules emerged simultaneously and we are the inhabitants of it.

00:54:12.000 And indeed, the logical rationale that I'm using to make this conclusion is a part of those irrational, random processes.

00:54:19.000 That's one set of beliefs, materialism.

00:54:21.000 And the other one is there was a God, there was a creator, his son came to earth.

00:54:24.000 You know, there are, of course, there are rifts and variances, but it's interesting that the major faiths emerge from this same place at this same time.

00:54:33.000 You know, and at best, you could argue, well, perhaps that's just a place where we have good records.

00:54:38.000 Maybe God is everywhere and certainly all over the globe simultaneously expressing himself in a variety of ways.

00:54:44.000 Now, I know these sigils have power.

00:54:46.000 I know the cross means more, for example, than just the place of sacrifice of our Lord.

00:54:51.000 How interesting that this perfect, whole, godly human must live the whole and perfect life for the veil to be torn, for the curtain to be torn, for the information to be freed from the temple, for us to have the location in ourselves, the site of the pain.

00:55:06.000 Solomon's temple was, of course, built at the site of David's atonement for his greatest transgression in taking a census.

00:55:13.000 And I take this to mean, Candace, that in the place of your greatest pain is where God will dwell in you.

00:55:19.000 You will find God in the sight of your greatest injury and your greatest wound if you accept God, if you make atonement.

00:55:25.000 Some people reject God.

00:55:26.000 So I'm very interested, of course, to hear that at the center of this power is not as they would, one group would have you believe.

00:55:36.000 And it's really rather beautifully summarized by that scene at the end of the movie Network where the radical newscaster who goes off grid and off script and says, look, systems, man, I'm not going to take it anymore, is eventually confronted, like and just starts telling people the truth and becomes a cult.

00:55:53.000 And he does this, you know, fictionally, of course, but in the managed world where they can turn off the camera and turn off the light and switch you off.

00:56:01.000 By the end of it, he has this wonderful confrontation with the person that owns the conglomerates who says, do you have any idea what powers you're messing with?

00:56:06.000 That, you know, there are no nations.

00:56:09.000 These are concepts that are illusory and temporary.

00:56:11.000 Now, when I first saw that as a kid, the thing is with me, my general didn't review, I took acid young.

00:56:16.000 I took acid young.

00:56:17.000 I was broken young.

00:56:18.000 I didn't come from a normal fact.

00:56:20.000 God bless my mother and father.

00:56:22.000 But I, you know, there was not good containment for what I have in me.

00:56:26.000 And it sounds like you're describing a very similar thing.

00:56:28.000 Now, the difference is from like the culture 50 years ago.

00:56:32.000 You know, I watched as friends like mine, like Amy Winehouse, who have brilliance in them, are eaten by the culture and essentially sacrificed by the culture.

00:56:38.000 The culture sacrifices.

00:56:39.000 That's facts about her. 0.99

00:56:40.000 Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?

00:56:42.000 It was a different time.

00:56:44.000 Like the icons 50 years ago would, their only route is through music or through sport.

00:56:48.000 Or, you know, if you're not coming through the right schools, I'm not saying that everyone that goes through those schools is bad because I know your husband, who I already love, went to Oxford and stuff.

00:56:57.000 Like, you know, people making it outside of those channels and outside of those systems was rare and anomalous.

00:57:03.000 Now it can just happen to anyone.

00:57:04.000 You might be Mr. Beast.

00:57:07.000 Mr. Beast is the Howard Stern of these days.

00:57:09.000 Joe Rogan.

00:57:09.000 He's organic.

00:57:10.000 He's high military family.

00:57:12.000 Oh, no.

00:57:13.000 Yeah, he was literally created.

00:57:14.000 It's not doing satanism, is he?

00:57:15.000 You can see it in his eyes.

00:57:16.000 Something's not right with him.

00:57:18.000 And I thought it was Joe Rogan, the Oprah Wimfrey of our time.

00:57:22.000 Now, if you're going to, like, you know, he creates other styles, Theo Von, you'd be a star.

00:57:26.000 You know, you can create stars.

00:57:27.000 He's a star generator.

00:57:29.000 But I suppose whatever these systems are, the question that I'm trying to guide you us towards now is some people will say it's just about money and power.

00:57:38.000 It's just about money and power.

00:57:40.000 And that's easier to corroborate because, you know, whenever you're doing this investigative work, Candace, I guess you're able to go, look, this person paid this person or this person received this phone call or this person sent this message.

00:57:51.000 Corroboratable.

00:57:52.000 When it gets into the esoteric occultist Luciferianism, then you can sort of prove it theologically and ideologically, but it becomes harder to demonstrate.

00:58:04.000 And I suppose the reason that what's happening with you right now and what's happening with the Epstein thing is so interesting is because it's starting, I suppose, to move into a space, people's focus, people's lens, people's gaze, people's attention is starting to fall on a pace where it's not just, oh, well, these rich families are just creating revenue and creating money.

00:58:23.000 It's starting to arrive at the point where we are identifying that the people that we think are in positions of power, kings, presidents, prime ministers, are only permitted to be in that position if they've been pre-compromised and are therefore malleable so that they can't get in and become president of the United States or prime minister of France or England and go, right, I'm going to do it for you guys because God's real and we're all the same and I love you and we're all one under Christ and this is only temporary and we're in exile.

00:58:53.000 Let's love one another and be willing to die for what we believe in.

00:58:56.000 They've got to stop that happening.

00:58:57.000 Now there are these weird ancillary channels where people like you, I'm guessing what you're saying is you're willing to die for this.

00:59:03.000 Yeah, I mean, everyone should be, I don't think of it as being like willing to die.

00:59:07.000 It's like, are you willing to go to heaven?

00:59:09.000 You know, that's the way it's Focusing on this world and death all the time is actually one of their strategies.

00:59:17.000 They want you to be fearful.

00:59:18.000 And this is the reason why so many people subject themselves to what they know is evil.

00:59:22.000 This is why they stay silent.

00:59:24.000 And your silence is just complicity.

00:59:27.000 On the subject of children, for me, and that is when I just completely got off of any support for Donald Trump, is when he gaslit us over the Epstein files.

00:59:35.000 And it was a major letdown.

00:59:37.000 I had already kind of been distancing myself from politics.

00:59:40.000 It wasn't my strong suit.

00:59:42.000 That was always a difference between me and Charlie.

00:59:45.000 I loved the culture.

00:59:46.000 Charlie loved the politics.

00:59:47.000 He was a natural politician and very diplomatic and would just want to make it work with everybody.

00:59:52.000 I don't, I'm not that way.

00:59:54.000 No, you don't.

00:59:54.000 I don't, when people censor people, I don't have nothing to do with them.

00:59:57.000 I don't care how much money they have.

00:59:58.000 I just want to go away.

00:59:59.000 And for me, if we are a society that allows children to be harmed, right?

01:00:07.000 But we're not a society.

01:00:09.000 If we know that's going on and we turn the other way, what's the point of anything that we're doing if we can't keep children safe?

01:00:18.000 And becoming a mother, obviously, is a major reason why I am so committed to this.

01:00:25.000 And I am challenging people to learn the stuff that I know.

01:00:28.000 I don't care about, I know their methods now.

01:00:31.000 That's part of the problem. 0.63

01:00:31.000 When you study Sigmund Freud, and that was kind of a wacky thing that I fell into accidentally, I was just researching how all of these psychologists kind of were raping kids. 0.63

01:00:41.000 It's kind of weird.

01:00:42.000 Sigmund Freud's best friend, Wilhelm Fleece, who he had a homosexual relationship with because they're all also all homosexual, he was his mentor. 0.92

01:00:51.000 And Wilhelm Fleece raped his son, Robert Flees. 0.92

01:00:53.000 How do we know Robert Fleece said it? 0.95

01:00:54.000 He's like, Yeah, my dad did this.

01:00:56.000 And they're just, Sigmund Freud's allowed to exist.

01:00:59.000 Well, Sigmund Freud's crucial to know that Sigmund Freud was a fraud.

01:01:02.000 Sigmund Fraud is really what he should be known as.

01:01:04.000 Because once you realize that, you then go, okay, but Sigmund Freud is the Bernays family, right?

01:01:10.000 Because they keep marrying into each other.

01:01:11.000 Edward Bernays is, so that's psychology.

01:01:14.000 That's propaganda.

01:01:16.000 Did that keep up in their family?

01:01:17.000 Well, Clement Freud, Sir Clement Freud, was his grandson. 0.99

01:01:21.000 He raped kids. 0.98

01:01:21.000 He was knighted. 0.98

01:01:23.000 So it's just, it's all right there in front of our faces.

01:01:27.000 And the biggest PR person is Matthew Freud, right?

01:01:30.000 That's the Royals PR person in the UK.

01:01:33.000 He's very powerful.

01:01:35.000 They're also married into Rupert Murdoch's family.

01:01:37.000 The Freuds and the Murdoch are married into each other.

01:01:39.000 So you are actually looking into power.

01:01:44.000 Yeah.

01:01:44.000 And that has not dissipated.

01:01:46.000 So they're not, if you, if we, if we go back to the source and Sigmund Freud was doing this for a fact, okay, what does that tell us about the world that we're in?

01:01:55.000 That he's honored.

01:01:56.000 That when I grew up in school, they called him the father of modern psychology. 0.73

01:02:00.000 We're literally honoring the perverts.

01:02:03.000 Yeah. 0.86

01:02:03.000 Right? 0.86

01:02:04.000 We're honoring the perverts.

01:02:06.000 And it can't, we can't live in a world like that.

01:02:08.000 That's why I encourage people to pull their kids out of school.

01:02:11.000 Right.

01:02:12.000 That's amazing.

01:02:13.000 You're amazing.

01:02:14.000 Welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand today on honoring the perverts.

01:02:18.000 The perverts that we'll be honoring include Sigmund Freud.

01:02:22.000 Now, look, I've got a lot to say about that last bit because, right?

01:02:24.000 Firstly, I remember when I first got fascinated and fixated on Freud and like the psychology because I had mental health problems when I was a kid and I was trying to work myself out.

01:02:32.000 So I started reading, you know, Freud for beginners, Freud for dummies, trying to understand it.

01:02:35.000 Then I was like, oh, right.

01:02:36.000 Freud's fundamental thrust was that all character emerges from sexuality, which is a way of saying we're thresholded in the animal and in the human.

01:02:44.000 There is no divine.

01:02:45.000 His great dispute with Jung, and I'm obviously pre-seeing and being reductive here, was that Jung said, no, there's something else.

01:02:50.000 There's a godlike power that's beyond us.

01:02:53.000 There are patterns and rhythms and archetypes and there's a language flowing through time.

01:02:57.000 God is real.

01:02:58.000 I don't understand it.

01:02:59.000 But there's something in geometry.

01:03:00.000 Like Jung was a mystic and he had his problems.

01:03:02.000 Of who doesn't?

01:03:03.000 Who among us doesn't?

01:03:05.000 But what the psychiatry did is it placed authority for the analysis of the spirit in the hands of pseudo-science.

01:03:14.000 Because, you know, you can have therapy that's grounded in Christ.

01:03:17.000 You can have discussions with, you know, be a part of a women's group or a men's group or a young person's group and talk about these are the challenges of being a man.

01:03:23.000 This is what it's like to be in society.

01:03:25.000 This is what it's like to feel broken.

01:03:26.000 You can have all that.

01:03:26.000 But you extract God and say the highest power is sex.

01:03:29.000 If the highest power is sex, then, well, let's go.

01:03:32.000 Half the job's done.

01:03:33.000 If there's no good, there's no evil, and sex is the highest power. 0.95

01:03:36.000 You can see where that river might flow to.

01:03:39.000 Now, what's really also, I guess, interesting is I know that what you're saying is right.

01:03:43.000 And I know that it's grounded in research, in particular, what you're saying about Freud and the correspondence and exchanges that you've cited in the two books.

01:03:50.000 You've been really clear about that.

01:03:51.000 Now, what's really interesting to me is like, and I wonder about this with your own relationship with and connection to England.

01:03:57.000 Like, because say when I was like a Hollywood star type guy and married to Katie, I've obviously read loads of things like, oh, Kate Perry, she has a handler.

01:04:07.000 She does this.

01:04:08.000 She did that. 0.99

01:04:08.000 She's like, and like I, when I was married to her, it was just nothing interesting. 0.99

01:04:14.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't want to be derogatory, but nothing occultist or weird happened.

01:04:19.000 It was like, well, this is what that was.

01:04:21.000 Oh, man. 0.99

01:04:22.000 I've like married someone that I didn't know well enough because I'm an idiot and I wanted to think I could hold fame like a trophy in my arms. 0.95

01:04:30.000 And she was so splendid and so famous, right?

01:04:34.000 I didn't ever, no one was like, right, Katie, we want you to have these demonic images in your videos or whatever, even though I've seen really sort of credible and interesting things where people say, look at that mechanical beast.

01:04:45.000 I think she's called Gigi Young.

01:04:46.000 She's a YouTuber who talks about sort of scriptural analysis and the demonic and all this.

01:04:50.000 And it's pretty fascinating.

01:04:51.000 But because I've been there and been with Katie Perry and known her and loved her, I just think, well, she was like a young Christian woman who got a break in show business and as any ambitious person who goes down that channel would pursue it.

01:05:06.000 Then sort of the second part, and I know you'll have stuff to say about that.

01:05:08.000 I can see your eyes.

01:05:09.000 I can see you.

01:05:10.000 I can see you churning it over.

01:05:12.000 Looking to call some sort of source.

01:05:14.000 Looking to screen, grab a chat and call some international scandal.

01:05:20.000 And then when I was in England, right, I was with someone who was like a like this lady called Jemima Khan, who had previously been married to Imran Khan, the Indian present, jailed Indian former president.

01:05:30.000 And she's the daughter of Jimmy Goldsmith.

01:05:33.000 And when Britain got all carved up in the 70s, 8 George will know of the family.

01:05:37.000 She was Jemima Khan Ni Goldsmith.

01:05:40.000 And the Goldsmiths and the Rothschilds were kind of intermarried and stuff.

01:05:44.000 Like I would meet her brother who would be married to like a Rothschild.

01:05:47.000 And at that time, I've read David Icke and all of that kind of stuff.

01:05:50.000 And I've done a bunch of acid and, you know, in my own broken way of trying to understand this world and what power is really and what God is really.

01:05:57.000 And, you know, I weren't with our Lord yet.

01:05:59.000 And again, like, you know, I went to a gathering that same way as I've been to a Diddy party.

01:06:04.000 I went to a Diddy party, like a white party. 0.79

01:06:06.000 I never, you know, there was no lotion or excitement.

01:06:08.000 It's the kind of thing I'd have been susceptible to then.

01:06:10.000 I was very open to the idea of sort of sexual pleasure.

01:06:13.000 Anyway, so what I'm saying is, is I'm saying all this merely to illustrate that where are these things?

01:06:22.000 Because I agree with what you said about Freud, that the culture used him to reposition power and to, you know, I agree with that.

01:06:27.000 But like, where are, you know, because I've met Matthew Freud.

01:06:30.000 I've met Matthew Freud.

01:06:32.000 And like, I've, you know, and I'm not like, not, I'm not saying these people are going to like, you know, this things that you and your husband are going to talk about.

01:06:37.000 And you're not going to tell me, of course, obviously, as it should be.

01:06:40.000 And like in brief encounters with people, I'm not going to be able to, you know, take their entire temperature.

01:06:46.000 But what I suppose I'm saying is, is that when we move from saying these people are materialistic and they're just trying to get loads of power and dominate media so they can control the message and dominate government, you know, when we ask that final question, why?

01:07:00.000 Like, then you're sort of like, you have to start imagining the robes and the blood and the pentagrams.

01:07:06.000 And it starts to become like, I guess that's a point where, you know, and like where people find it hard to cross.

01:07:13.000 Yeah.

01:07:13.000 And I think that's why you have to read the books.

01:07:15.000 And because that's where I was.

01:07:17.000 It was like, okay, maybe this happened fast.

01:07:19.000 Do I really think this is still going on?

01:07:20.000 Well, it's kind of weird that he like there, they have so much power and they've been caught in all of these scandals.

01:07:25.000 Like when I was yesterday going through the DuPont scandals where like they were in trouble for raping their kids and like this has all happened and killing people, it's they were not in trouble. 0.94

01:07:34.000 Like they got tried and like I've which P, I don't remember, I don't remember which DuPont we were reading about yesterday, but like he raped his three-year-old daughter and then sexually assaulted his infant, right? 0.53

01:07:45.000 This is like people that are in power right now, like alive and in Delaware, right? 0.82

01:07:49.000 And that's fine.

01:07:49.000 They're still allowed to own everything for some reason.

01:07:51.000 The judge was like, that's okay.

01:07:53.000 $60,000 fine and you're out of here.

01:07:56.000 So yeah, you now then need to make the next step, which is, is this stuff going on?

01:08:00.000 So let's, I want to use your Katie Perry point because I think that's important.

01:08:04.000 Sigmund Freud was not initiated until he was 35 years old.

01:08:09.000 They say the secrets are so powerful.

01:08:11.000 You're not going to get initiated until you're 35, between 35 and 37.

01:08:15.000 They believe in numerology and all these sorts of things.

01:08:18.000 Then you, when you're reading this book, you realize this is like the same cult that went to established Hollywood.

01:08:25.000 So there's another book that you should read that's called Hollywood Babylon.

01:08:27.000 It's a very good book by Kenneth Enger.

01:08:29.000 And he talks about all of these scandals.

01:08:32.000 He was an occultist.

01:08:33.000 He's telling you how they lived, right?

01:08:34.000 He's like, here's what we were doing.

01:08:36.000 And this person who got shot and killed and this person in Aleister Crowley's book, The Occult went from Vienna, Sigmund Freud.

01:08:42.000 They took the pedophiles from Vienna.

01:08:44.000 This was a major crisis that was happening. 0.94

01:08:46.000 They were getting caught raping a bunch of kids and they came over and established Hollywood.

01:08:49.000 That's just a fact. 0.89

01:08:50.000 Okay.

01:08:51.000 Now, the people who, when Katy Perry comes up and she gets bigger and bigger and she's like, oh, wow, they really like me.

01:08:58.000 And who's going to do my next video?

01:09:01.000 You think it's Katy Perry that's like, let's put a bull. 0.99

01:09:04.000 Wouldn't that be really, they go, this is the greatest director ever.

01:09:08.000 This person's going to dress you. 0.63

01:09:09.000 He's the most amazing fashion.

01:09:11.000 This is how they get you in.

01:09:13.000 Katie doesn't know anything, right?

01:09:14.000 She's, I'm just judging this.

01:09:16.000 I don't think Katy Perry is the person that's involved in this, but I understand that what they do is they give you the best designer.

01:09:23.000 They give you the best music person.

01:09:25.000 And this is going to be the person that's going to make your album.

01:09:28.000 These people are the families you should look into, right?

01:09:31.000 And I've done that.

01:09:32.000 And when you read Hollywood Babylon, that gets really interesting, like, especially when it comes to fashion, like the fashion world, as we've learned with Brigitte, my goodness, when you read Becoming Brigitte, I can't, I cannot.

01:09:43.000 Like, I used to love like Yves St. Laurent.

01:09:46.000 I am powerful.

01:09:47.000 I mean, like, you cannot with these brands.

01:09:49.000 What?

01:09:49.000 Yes.

01:09:50.000 I love their trousers.

01:09:51.000 No, you cannot.

01:09:52.000 Are you wearing Yves St. Laurent?

01:09:54.000 No, but is it Pedo?

01:09:55.000 Yeah.

01:09:55.000 It is literally, you can never wear Yves St. Laurent.

01:09:58.000 It is like, it is so demonic and so disgusting.

01:10:02.000 These were the people.

01:10:02.000 And then they were like, we're going to make this in vogue, right?

01:10:05.000 We're just going to make this all in vogue.

01:10:06.000 And you're going to aspire.

01:10:08.000 So this in that instance.

01:10:09.000 Well, so exam, for example, the Balenciaga thing, right?

01:10:13.000 Oh, yeah, with the teddy still tied up and sort of a bit adjacent.

01:10:17.000 Also, do you realize these are all French brands?

01:10:19.000 It's not interesting, right?

01:10:20.000 Never trusted them.

01:10:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:10:22.000 So this is coming out of Paris because the Frankists were the ones that caused the French Revolution. 1.00

01:10:27.000 Jacob Frank.

01:10:28.000 So they believed in changing your name using different identity.

01:10:30.000 It goes, and then they flooded into and they overthrew France. 0.95

01:10:34.000 Okay.

01:10:34.000 It was always an attack on the Christian Empire.

01:10:38.000 Sigmund Freud wrote this explicitly.

01:10:40.000 This is our religion.

01:10:41.000 When people learn that it's our religion, it's problematic.

01:10:43.000 So we need to practice dissimulation in writing.

01:10:46.000 We need to be not honest about what we're doing because every time people find out what we're doing, like suddenly we're being kicked out of countries.

01:10:52.000 So Sigmund Freud set about introducing their theology in a cultural way.

01:10:58.000 Okay.

01:10:59.000 This is the beginning of Hollywood.

01:11:00.000 We are going, if you're following Hollywood, you are asleep and you have already been indoctrinated into a Sebastian Frankist cult.

01:11:10.000 The evidence for that is right there in books.

01:11:13.000 Like, there's no, there is no arguing about who Sigmund Freud was and what his intent was.

01:11:18.000 He's like, we need to modernize, we need to update, we need to make it cool.

01:11:22.000 And then all of these cultural movements were born.

01:11:25.000 And this is like, you know, this is going to be cool and fashion and vogue and young people and we're going to be super skinny and we're going to make people care about products and designers and labels. 0.99

01:11:35.000 And we have been following pedophiles, gay pedophiles. 1.00

01:11:39.000 It's a gatriarchy. 1.00

01:11:40.000 Nice.

01:11:42.000 I don't think you've been in mornography yet, but gatriarchy is good.

01:11:46.000 No, I got that from Milo Yiannopoulos, actually.

01:11:49.000 He said that when he was speaking, oh, no, actually, it was Mark.

01:11:52.000 It was not Milo.

01:11:53.000 Well done, Mark.

01:11:54.000 It was Mark.

01:11:55.000 Mark said it.

01:11:55.000 He's like, I was like, we don't live in a patriarch.

01:11:57.000 We live in a gatriarchy. 0.50

01:11:58.000 You're inventing good new slurs.

01:12:01.000 Yes.

01:12:02.000 It is.

01:12:03.000 That's good.

01:12:04.000 Listen, I had quite a lot come to me there, dear beloved Candace.

01:12:08.000 One was like, there's one of the filmmakers and thinkers that really influenced me when I'm like, I'm an autodidact, I'm like educating myself, as you have to, to qualify for that title.

01:12:19.000 We're watching documentaries.

01:12:20.000 There's this BBC filmmaker called Adam Curtis.

01:12:22.000 He's made a bunch of very brilliant documentaries: The Power of Nightmares, The Century of Self, and The Century of the Self was his first film in which he told how Edward Bernays used the ideas of his uncle Sigmund Freud to create the profession of PR.

01:12:35.000 Primarily, and I'm obviously reducing this for brevity, such as I can, was to ensure that products elicited a certain feeling.

01:12:44.000 Because in a sane culture, you might buy food to nourish your body, and you might buy a vehicle just to drive you around, and you might buy, you wouldn't worship those objects, you wouldn't elicit the state of worship.

01:12:58.000 So I can see how, in a more mundial and demonstrable way, the ideas of Freud, Adam Curtis's work, were used to generate the profession of PR.

01:13:09.000 And as you, and what you're saying, somewhat more esoteric and a little harder to chew for people, you know, because that's what it is.

01:13:15.000 Not everyone gets all the gear, Candace.

01:13:18.000 You know, like, is that, wow, they've been introducing ideas to the culture, making it normal to sexualize children.

01:13:25.000 What about the sort of other roots of pedophilia, which I suppose we associate with paganism? 0.95

01:13:30.000 For example, E.G., when Columbus Columbus and his crew arrived in these lands, like some of the ceremonies with the native people, very casual encounters of, you know, just sexual, I don't know if they were of age girls or post-pubescent.

01:13:45.000 You know, I guess one might quarrel and query that age is a numerical register and the real marker is sexual maturation and consent of the individual.

01:13:55.000 One might argue those are the real markers.

01:13:57.000 But there are other instances where pedophilia seems to sort of coalesce and become acculturated other than this.

01:14:05.000 I wonder what it is that we're saying that they are getting from it.

01:14:10.000 Is it as simple as pleasure?

01:14:12.000 Is there more to it than that?

01:14:13.000 Is this just a head?

01:14:14.000 Because, you know, don't you?

01:14:16.000 Would you agree?

01:14:16.000 And it seems like what you're saying, and what I would agree with you plainly and absolutely on, is that we live in a sort of a modern pagan culture, as in we worship false idols via the self, like via the self, we worship pleasure in food or sex or sexuality.

01:14:32.000 There's actually no reason for a heterosexual or a homosexual or anybody to have their sexuality at the forefront of their identity.

01:14:39.000 It should be a secondary characteristic, not the not, if you build a shrine to it, it's a kind of crazy thing to do, like to make it the center.

01:14:47.000 It's such a small portion of what you do.

01:14:49.000 And like when I recognized, gosh, my own place in the culture for a minute, like when I was famous, famous, like I was being, hey, screw loads of women.

01:14:57.000 Like I was.

01:14:58.000 Indoctrinated into the faith.

01:15:00.000 You didn't realize it.

01:15:01.000 Yeah.

01:15:02.000 It was very intentional.

01:15:03.000 It was all about sexuality because they thought, you know, if this is the easiest way to subject people to our religion is to make them obsessed with pleasure, constantly in the pleasure realm.

01:15:13.000 And even the language, which is why it's so fascinating to study Sigmund Freud's work and how intentional they were about this, was to make it seem like it's cool.

01:15:22.000 Like, oh, hey, man, like, you know, that's your ego that's talking to you.

01:15:25.000 He writes about the ego.

01:15:26.000 You got to let go of the ego.

01:15:28.000 But that actually is the precursor to that 60s movement of like rock and roll.

01:15:33.000 This was ever intentional.

01:15:34.000 This was not, this was by design by the government, the 60s movement.

01:15:38.000 And there's another fascinating book, Chaos, which I know has gone very viral.

01:15:42.000 And Tom O'Neill did great work on this, but it just keeps coming up that this was a faith.

01:15:47.000 Even the language of Hollywood, they thought about this, worshiping stars.

01:15:51.000 This Hollywood Babylon book shows this, like they wanted to get people to worship stars.

01:15:56.000 They even intentionally started the gossip column on Sundays because they wanted people not to go to church and to instead run and obsess about the latest scandal.

01:16:05.000 They thought about this intentionally in Hollywood to put a gossip column on Sundays.

01:16:10.000 Beyond that, when they first opened movie theaters for people to come worship stars, they called them cathedrals, right?

01:16:16.000 This was an intentional way to supplant the Catholic Church. 0.53

01:16:19.000 And Sigmund Freud hated the Catholic Church.

01:16:21.000 He's very clear about that in his writing.

01:16:23.000 They hate Christians and they had felt that they were.

01:16:26.000 And that's what was going on in Europe.

01:16:27.000 There was this war to break up the Christian empire because, and I think one day Isabelle of Spain will be sainted, they were calling out what they were doing.

01:16:36.000 Sigmund Freud says it explicitly: you know, when the Catholic Church finds out what we're doing, it's problematic.

01:16:41.000 So we need to not present it as a religion.

01:16:43.000 And it's right, it's so close.

01:16:45.000 I think we're talking about what, 1895, and none of us knew this.

01:16:48.000 We're not learning this in school at all.

01:16:50.000 And it's so important, I think, for people to go back and learn about what happened at the turn of the century and why they demand war.

01:16:59.000 When people start to wake up and go, what's going on?

01:17:01.000 Christians were suddenly writing to each other. 0.90

01:17:03.000 And there's this guy who was publishing, like, we need to talk about this.

01:17:07.000 You know, it was called the Talmud Jew.

01:17:09.000 It was after another Christian got killed and they said it was ritualistic.

01:17:13.000 And by the way, the Frankists admitted that there was ritualistic killings of kids. 0.63

01:17:18.000 So we're talking again, Jews versus Jews. 0.98

01:17:20.000 So you don't have to read anti-Semitism into it.

01:17:23.000 But yeah, exactly.

01:17:26.000 But this is, this happened. 0.96

01:17:27.000 The schism happened and they were like, yes, we're killing Christian kids and they admitted this. 0.93

01:17:30.000 And, you know, Catholic Church, protect us and baptize us all and give us noble titles. 0.97

01:17:35.000 And we'll tell you about all the Christian kids that we killed. 1.00

01:17:37.000 And that's what happened. 0.60

01:17:38.000 They turned Jacob Frank into a noble.

01:17:41.000 But it is in, it's important to recognize that if they were that, it was that easy for them to just wipe history.

01:17:48.000 And nobody knows this, right?

01:17:49.000 Not only to wipe history, but tend to assert that Sigmund Freud was a hero.

01:17:54.000 Then you can understand what's happening today.

01:17:55.000 They can't even tell us the truth about what happened five minutes ago.

01:17:58.000 Do you think they're telling us the truth about the reasons for war?

01:18:01.000 No, it was not what happened was all of these revolutions were not natural.

01:18:05.000 They were planned all across Europe.

01:18:07.000 They failed.

01:18:08.000 The failed revolutions of, I would say, what was it, 1880, 1845.

01:18:14.000 And then they all came to America. 0.99

01:18:16.000 Right.

01:18:16.000 These people who were assassinated the Tsar in 1880 then came to America and they were like pogroms.

01:18:21.000 You mean like you killed the Tsar and people don't want you living with them? 0.99

01:18:23.000 Like, I mean, I think that's pretty, you assassinated a Christian king. 1.00

01:18:28.000 But they are obsessed with publications.

01:18:29.000 They are obsessed with publishing because they can rewrite history.

01:18:32.000 That is why you cannot trust the mainstream media because that is one of their tools.

01:18:36.000 Is we're going to rewrite history, not even history.

01:18:38.000 They're rewriting present.

01:18:39.000 They are rewriting present.

01:18:40.000 I say something and they completely lie about what I've said.

01:18:43.000 And they're like, Candace said this.

01:18:45.000 And I'm like, okay, well, I definitely don't believe you about anything in terms of World War I, World War II, what happened in Syria yesterday, what's happening in Syria tomorrow.

01:18:55.000 Because if you can't even tell the basic truth about what we are observing with our own eyes today, about what's happening in Gaza, why should I believe you about anything else?

01:19:04.000 And that's what's happening today when you kind of refer to how power is transferring away from the mainstream is that people know truth when they hear it.

01:19:16.000 Because I believe, and this is not, I'm not trying to assert myself as someone that you should believe in, but I'm saying I have always felt that truth carries a more powerful frequency.

01:19:29.000 That's why they require our silence.

01:19:31.000 And the lie, and Ian Carroll said this, the lie has to be repeated over and over and over again because it's a weaker frequency.

01:19:36.000 They keep saying, Candace is an anti-Semite. 1.00

01:19:39.000 Candace is a self-hating black person. 1.00

01:19:41.000 Russell is a rapist. 1.00

01:19:42.000 They have to say it over and over again. 0.99

01:19:44.000 Because then when someone comes in with the truth and they just have to say that once, and people go, that sounds right.

01:19:50.000 I know that that is, I can, it's easy.

01:19:53.000 It hits differently when someone's telling you the truth. 0.97

01:19:56.000 And no matter how many times I tell you, Candice is crazy. 0.99

01:19:58.000 When I say on my podcast, this event, this turning point event came together too fast.

01:20:04.000 Okay.

01:20:04.000 I've been on the road with Charlie for four, longer than four years.

01:20:09.000 From 2018 to 2024, I did every college campus tour with Charlie.

01:20:15.000 Okay.

01:20:16.000 It has never come together starting in August.

01:20:19.000 It's planned at least a semester in advance.

01:20:21.000 Why did this event come together so quickly?

01:20:24.000 People go, that's interesting.

01:20:26.000 A thousand Christian Judeo influencers can come out and say, that's not true.

01:20:31.000 As they did, I booked an event just last week.

01:20:33.000 They're lying.

01:20:34.000 And I don't know why they're lying, but now I'm focused on figuring out why they're lying.

01:20:39.000 Okay.

01:20:40.000 Because these are weird lies.

01:20:41.000 These are unnecessary lies.

01:20:42.000 You don't have to lie about this stuff.

01:20:44.000 And that's what I think people are, this is kind of the moment that we're at right now is that the frequency of truth is hitting and more people are being encouraged to say the truth.

01:20:54.000 And so the truth is growing louder.

01:20:56.000 And that is a threat to the liars.

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01:21:29.000 We're told that in this fight that's taking place in Ephesians, that it's taking place against heavenly realms, that we're not fighting against earthly power.

01:21:41.000 Principalities, dark places.

01:21:43.000 And that we must put on the armor, therefore, and first is the belt of truth that has to be foundational and to protect the survival of the middle, the core through the belt of truth.

01:21:54.000 Then the breastplate of righteousness can only be granted to us by God and by grace.

01:21:59.000 None of us can earn that righteousness.

01:22:01.000 And the shield of faith, because of the flaming arrows of the devil, the good news on our feet, motivated only by telling the truth of Christ, that he came for us, that he loves us, that he loves you, that he loves me, that he loves our children, that he loves our transgression, those that have transgressed against us, that we must be in a state of forgiveness, that we have to be coming from forgiveness, otherwise we'll fall.

01:22:22.000 Then we have the sword of the word and then that helmet of salvation to make sure that our minds aren't busy and crazy and in the neurotic and neurological chaos, the electromagnetic field up there.

01:22:34.000 Oh, Candace, the other day, someone told me about this experiment where they take group A, group B, they're both in cages, both cages are subject to an electric current.

01:22:43.000 Group A dogs have access to a lever, so they can stop the current at any time.

01:22:48.000 Group B dogs do not have access to a lever.

01:22:51.000 Over time, they learn to just lay down and tolerate the frequency of electricity and live in it.

01:22:56.000 The second part of the experiments is both dogs A and B are placed in a new pen and that pen is electrified.

01:23:04.000 There's no lever, but the fence is only a foot and a half high.

01:23:07.000 The dogs can get out if they want.

01:23:10.000 The dogs that have been in group A and had access to the lever all jump out.

01:23:14.000 The dogs that have been in pen B that didn't have access to a lever, they just lie down and take it.

01:23:20.000 Everything that happens in our brain, the material brain, the biochemical brain, is on some level an electromagnetic impulse.

01:23:28.000 We're surrounded 360 by stimulants through our screens, through nutrition.

01:23:32.000 We know what's going on in big food.

01:23:33.000 We know what's happening in big agriculture.

01:23:35.000 We know what's happening in big pharma.

01:23:36.000 They're attacking us biochemically.

01:23:38.000 Then intellectually or theologically, as you and your husband would say, we're attacked ideologically, continually, kept in a state of stimulation where you can't unplug from that frequency and feel the truth of him.

01:23:51.000 If we die on the cross with him, if the body dies, if the body dies, then we can receive the vertical passage.

01:23:58.000 We must be grounded, though, in the truth.

01:24:00.000 And we can, through horizontal relationship, we can remain in conjunction with him.

01:24:05.000 I know that first, the Luciferian sin is he wants power away from God.

01:24:10.000 In Luke 10, 12, he says, our Lord, I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

01:24:17.000 I saw it.

01:24:17.000 I saw it happening.

01:24:18.000 And the reason that that happens is we want our own circuit.

01:24:21.000 I want my own little Russell circuit.

01:24:23.000 I want to be Russell and everyone to care about Russell.

01:24:25.000 It's only when I go, oh, forget Russell.

01:24:28.000 Russell is, God, I'm only valuable because of who loves me.

01:24:31.000 If he wants me dead, I'm dead.

01:24:33.000 If he wants me alive, I'm alive.

01:24:35.000 If he wants me in jail, I'm in jail.

01:24:36.000 Wherever he wants me, that's where I'm going.

01:24:38.000 And that's like, I can feel it in my body, the fight against that.

01:24:42.000 You know, I wonder, do you ever feel that your own motivations, do you feel it on the edge of you ever, Candice?

01:24:49.000 The edge of wanting, the edge of self, the feeling of sin.

01:24:53.000 Do you feel it ever?

01:24:55.000 Of course.

01:24:56.000 Are you kidding?

01:24:57.000 I sin all the time.

01:24:58.000 You know, it is in thought, in word, in deed.

01:25:04.000 Probably for me, the thoughts are the hardest.

01:25:06.000 That's why I, you know, Father Julian, I have to spend time with him because it's hard to control the thoughts.

01:25:11.000 And I think I struggle.

01:25:13.000 He tells me that my vice is the thought of vengefulness.

01:25:19.000 That was really, that was the greatest challenge for me.

01:25:22.000 Everyone has a vice.

01:25:24.000 Mine's never been money.

01:25:25.000 Like, you know, some people are just like, you know, the exchange of money.

01:25:28.000 But the vengefulness, the thoughts, the greatest challenge for me in 2024, I was so angry at what Vidalia had done.

01:25:38.000 I was so angry that it like, it brought me to the anger brought me to tears.

01:25:42.000 And I didn't understand the sacrament of confession in that moment.

01:25:46.000 And I said this to Father Julian.

01:25:49.000 I said, you know, what is the point if I, even if I confess it, it doesn't go away, right?

01:25:54.000 Like, I still feel it.

01:25:55.000 Like, what is this exercise where I can't, I can't control the, I am, I'm not acting on it.

01:26:00.000 Like I'm not doing anything, but and I felt like because I couldn't do anything.

01:26:04.000 And I'm like, but I'm still, I'm angry that I can't, you know, I'm just angry.

01:26:09.000 Like I think that's fair, right?

01:26:10.000 And sure enough, he's like, yeah, it's not like this isn't like a miracle thing you're going to say and get up and feel great, happy, like it's all.

01:26:19.000 But being conscious of it and saying it and recognizing it, that is part of the exercise.

01:26:25.000 And sure enough, like one day it just went away.

01:26:28.000 It did.

01:26:28.000 It just went away.

01:26:30.000 And I realized by that moment that I didn't have to be vengeful.

01:26:34.000 You know, vengeance belongs to the Lord and that there was something greater on the other side of this for me.

01:26:40.000 And the most, and when I say humiliating thing, I do mean humiliating as in humility.

01:26:48.000 The word stemming from humility was that, and I look back on this.

01:26:52.000 And when I was fired, it was so hard for me, but I did get on my hands and my knees and I prayed for them.

01:26:58.000 I prayed for them.

01:26:59.000 I prayed and I did it every Mass.

01:27:01.000 I prayed for Ben, I prayed for Jeremy, I prayed for Andrew Clavin.

01:27:05.000 And that was, it was humiliating for me to do that.

01:27:10.000 And I still, I practice that.

01:27:13.000 I think you have to pray for your enemies and you, and you, it makes it sound hard and it is hard.

01:27:21.000 I want to be very clear.

01:27:23.000 It is hard.

01:27:23.000 And it's especially hard if you are me because I think that I have been, and maybe this is my, maybe this is my own arrogance speaking, but I think that I have been a good person to people.

01:27:33.000 There was no one that can say Candace wasn't a good worker. 0.99

01:27:36.000 She wasn't an honest worker.

01:27:37.000 I play fair.

01:27:38.000 You know, I feel that I play fair.

01:27:40.000 I play very fair.

01:27:41.000 I've never, I'm never trying to be tricky.

01:27:42.000 You'll never hear a story of, you know, Russell can't send like Russell and Russell was going to go on Matt Walsh's podcast and she called Matt and said, I don't do that.

01:27:50.000 Like, I, you know, I'm very, I'm like, you know what?

01:27:52.000 If I don't, if I have an issue, like I had an issue when I had Nick on my podcast, I call Tucker and say, don't have Nick.

01:27:58.000 I don't agree.

01:27:58.000 Like, you know, I believe in the free markets genuinely.

01:28:01.000 Like, and if I have experience with somebody, it doesn't mean it's going to be the same as somebody else's experience.

01:28:05.000 And so I felt like it was so unfair, like that I found myself in that circumstance.

01:28:11.000 But it's because I'm only human.

01:28:14.000 And I remind people that you are only human.

01:28:18.000 You know nothing because you are only human.

01:28:20.000 God, as I like to describe it as I see it here, he is the ultimate mathematician.

01:28:27.000 And so where he is putting subtractions in your life, these feel like subtractions.

01:28:32.000 Why are you taking, taking?

01:28:33.000 Maybe he's giving you an addition, subtract, divide, whatever it is.

01:28:36.000 It's because there is some beautiful summation at the end that you just are not equipped to understand and see.

01:28:42.000 And that's kind of my perspective on life.

01:28:45.000 Thank you, Candace.

01:28:46.000 You're so welcome.

01:28:47.000 Thank you for having me.

01:28:48.000 All right.

01:28:48.000 So lovely.

01:28:49.000 Thanks for doing this.

01:28:50.000 Thank you.

01:28:51.000 Forgiveness is where we've ended, isn't it?

01:28:53.000 Like we must feel it.

01:28:55.000 We must feel great forgiveness so that we can be the recipients of the light, the coming light, the coming light.

01:29:00.000 We must be forgiving.

01:29:02.000 I find that difficult too.

01:29:03.000 I hold on.

01:29:04.000 I hold on.

01:29:06.000 I have to let go.

01:29:07.000 They're only human.

01:29:08.000 We're only human.

01:29:10.000 We're just being here to be human, to be loving and worship our God.

01:29:13.000 First, worship him with no expectation.

01:29:15.000 Not like, oh, if I worship him, I'll get to heaven.

01:29:16.000 Just worship and love.

01:29:17.000 And that's that.

01:29:19.000 Thanks, mate.

01:29:19.000 All right.

01:29:20.000 So I suppose that's, we've been talking, I reckon, for an hour and 15 minutes or whatever.

01:29:24.000 Should we stop talking in this context and format?

01:29:27.000 I mean, we did everything.

01:29:27.000 We've talked about all it's not an easy thing to traw through with you, is it?

01:29:31.000 Like, let me do this if I want.

01:29:32.000 Like, hello, if you're going to watch this show, then like I did talk about Charlie Kirk and the assassination.

01:29:37.000 I did talk about Brigitte Macron and what she's gotten, what she's not gotten, all of that.

01:29:42.000 I did talk about Israel's potential role.

01:29:46.000 We did talk about deep occultism.

01:29:48.000 We did.

01:29:49.000 I didn't, I forgot to say, everyone's got to come to Jesus.

01:29:52.000 Everyone.

01:29:53.000 Yeah.

01:29:54.000 And to understand that when you say Christ is king, it's not a phrase.

01:29:59.000 Like to me, that means truth is king.

01:30:01.000 Truth will triumph.

01:30:02.000 Truth has already won, actually.

01:30:04.000 Christ has already won.

01:30:05.000 And I have, that's what I commit myself to is the truth.

01:30:08.000 And it is not easy.

01:30:10.000 And it's, it's crazy that it's not easy.

01:30:12.000 Like, I don't know.

01:30:13.000 It feels like in a fair system, telling the truth would be easy.

01:30:16.000 And people would just come out and say, this is the truth.

01:30:18.000 And this is why.

01:30:19.000 And you realize it's because our world has in large part been dominated by a lie.

01:30:24.000 You know, Satan shall inherit the earth.

01:30:26.000 And you, you see that all around that people are willing to compromise their soul.

01:30:32.000 That's also not an expression.

01:30:33.000 When people say that you are selling your soul, and I really want to say this, especially to the quote-unquote Christian influencers, you are literally selling your soul. 0.84

01:30:42.000 Like that's not, it's not a fun expression.

01:30:44.000 You're making a trade for earthly possessions, right?

01:30:47.000 This time is nothing.

01:30:48.000 It's a it's a blip.

01:30:50.000 There is eternity.

01:30:51.000 You have an eternal soul, and you are making an exchange right now so that you can have a bigger house, maybe that you can buy a Balenciaga perverted bag.

01:31:02.000 I don't know what it is, but just know that it's real.

01:31:05.000 It's all real.

01:31:06.000 And you want to know if you don't think it's real, start studying Sigmund Freud and see how committed they were to once you understand true evil and how committed they were to making you godless, you will suddenly realize that there is a God.

01:31:18.000 My kids, uh, they play like tocaboca, they can't play Minecraft, that's demonic, can't play Roblox, that's demonic, yeah.

01:31:25.000 To co-boke in there, they're like, oh, can we buy this house, dad? 0.92

01:31:29.000 It's like real money, like it's one that I have to go, what?

01:31:31.000 Like, I have to give them $2, you know, in a digital format of real money so they can acquire possessions in this world.

01:31:37.000 And I think, oh, yes, this is that's not the last layer of it.

01:31:40.000 This is a layer of that.

01:31:41.000 We are trading pixelated, illusory matter projected onto a field temporarily that we are the occupant of and potential co-creators with him when we accept Christ, when we become a channel of his pieces.

01:31:53.000 St. Francis says, by sanctifying ourselves, we sanctify society by allowing the sanctification to come, by allowing the pain to come, by doing those prayers for praying for people so that you've changed.

01:32:03.000 So the part of you, the part of you that's still wedded and glommed onto that can be released and freed because it's not real anyway.

01:32:11.000 Only he is real.

01:32:12.000 He is the ultimate reality.

01:32:13.000 That which is practiced in time is by its nature entropy falling apart even now.

01:32:17.000 Only his eternal glory is worth worshiping and bowing down for.

01:32:20.000 I wonder why they're so committed to it, Candace.

01:32:23.000 I wonder what they're getting out of it.

01:32:24.000 I wonder what these dark forces that are no doubt real are getting out of whatever they do.

01:32:30.000 It's amazing to talk to you.

01:32:31.000 Well done.

01:32:31.000 Keep being brave.

01:32:32.000 I pray for you.

01:32:33.000 I pray for your family.

01:32:34.000 You know that.

01:32:34.000 Yeah, that's the most important thing that I could ask for is that people continue to pray.

01:32:39.000 But also to have faith, you know, don't be scared.

01:32:42.000 Your part, what you can do is to say the truth.

01:32:45.000 Add to the frequency of truth.

01:32:47.000 You know, add to the frequency of truth.

01:32:48.000 That's good.

01:32:49.000 Put that on a t-shirt.

01:32:53.000 Well, let me know what you thought about that.

01:32:55.000 What an interesting conversation.

01:32:57.000 What an interesting woman. 1.00

01:32:58.000 What an interesting time.

01:33:00.000 As you know, my belief is the culture can't accommodate all of these voices yet.

01:33:04.000 It's not news.

01:33:05.000 It's not media.

01:33:06.000 It's not entertainment anymore.

01:33:08.000 It's in some ways, you could unkindly say the oft-cited maxim of a million monkeys with a million typewriters would eventually recreate the works of Shakespeare.

01:33:19.000 But mass communication means mass opining.

01:33:23.000 And here comes everyone was an influential book, wasn't it?

01:33:26.000 And Martin Guri's Revolt of the Public.

01:33:28.000 What we've got now is some people that would have been shut down long, long ago, Tate, Candice Owens, me, are still in the space, still communicating.

01:33:37.000 Now, what you know about me and what you know about Candice Owens, and you know, Andrew Tace is on his own path.

01:33:42.000 We'll talk to him soon, I pray.

01:33:44.000 Is I'm surrendered to God.

01:33:47.000 I'm flawed.

01:33:47.000 I'm broken.

01:33:48.000 I'm, as I said in the content, sometimes totally lost in self-involvement to the degree where it would hardly surprise me if people thought, oh, he conveniently became Christian when he was attacked and got accused of rape and stuff.

01:34:00.000 Well, you can think that, but I'll tell you this: if you're not in Christ, if you do not accept Christ, I don't see a way out of this for any of us.

01:34:08.000 But I also don't believe that it should be mandated for people to become Christian in the way that some people think it's mandated that you all take a vaccine.

01:34:14.000 You know, I believe in your sovereignty and your freedom.

01:34:17.000 And I believe the technology that has liberated the media space has to penetrate politics and it will.

01:34:24.000 We need to localize democracy and invest in direct democracy.

01:34:29.000 And what I mean by invest is think about it and wake up to it because you could have complete control of your own life, your own family, your own community.

01:34:38.000 And the ideology would be up to you.

01:34:41.000 Maximum decentralization, of course, within reason.

01:34:44.000 There are certain principles that surely we're all agreed on, like don't kill one another, don't rob one another.

01:34:49.000 Basically, you know, Judeo-Christian law, the Ten Commandments, we're all pretty much agreed on that.

01:34:54.000 And I'm sure we're agreed that there should be some standing military force in the event of international conflict.

01:34:59.000 But beyond that, the principle is minimal intervention, maximum decentralization, maximum democracy.

01:35:08.000 Consider it.

01:35:09.000 It will happen if enough of us believe in it.

01:35:12.000 First, the principle.

01:35:13.000 And that is sovereignty under God.

01:35:15.000 Second, the system, decentralized direct democracy.

01:35:18.000 And then the freedom.

01:35:19.000 That's what I believe.

01:35:20.000 But that's just what I think.

01:35:21.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

01:35:22.000 Let's know who you want to see as guests on our show.

01:35:25.000 We'll be back on Wednesday.

01:35:28.000 Wednesday with John Campbell.

01:35:29.000 Man, there's a dude that tells the truth.

01:35:30.000 It's a fantastic conversation.

01:35:32.000 You'll love it.

01:35:33.000 We get into it about the UK.

01:35:34.000 We get into it about the reckoning of the pandemic.

01:35:36.000 We talk about abortion, euthanasia, and Christ Jesus.

01:35:40.000 Praise the Lord.

01:35:41.000 See you later.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - December 08, 2025

Candace Owens: Unfiltered, unafraid, and breaking the narrative- SF660

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