Stay Free - Russel Brand - Candace Owens vs Russell Brand: Politics, Censorship & Independent Media - Stay Free #206

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00:00:46.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders!

00:00:47.000 Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand for a fantastic show.

00:00:51.000 It's going to be beautiful and fascinating because we have a guest who can be described with both of those words.

00:00:58.000 It's Candice Owens.

00:00:59.000 We're also, when we're exclusively on Rumble, going to be discussing the nature of modern censorship with Candice and the obvious need for the protection of free speech and how we bring our personal morality to the complex subject of Free speech.

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00:01:15.000 We're going to be talking about Bill Gates and lab-grown food.

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00:01:36.000 But now I'm excited and you will be too if you saw our previous conversation because I'm going to be talking to

00:01:42.000 political commentator, host of the Candace podcast, producer and narrator of the new docuseries,

00:01:49.000 Convicting a Murderer on the Daily Wire, the very great, always intriguing, limitlessly

00:01:56.000 confrontational Candace Owens. Candace, how lovely to see you again.

00:02:03.000 It's so wonderful to be back.

00:02:04.000 I really just was very excited about doing this podcast, because I had such a fun time with you, because at the time we were on such opposite sides of the totem pole, but you were just so kind, such great energy.

00:02:16.000 And I just said to myself, he's going to drift a little away from being a hammer and sickle communist, because he's just too happy.

00:02:23.000 He's just too substantially happy.

00:02:27.000 It's been really great.

00:02:28.000 And also, Russell, I will never forget you.

00:02:30.000 You will always be a part of my love story because I met my husband right after I left your podcast that night.

00:02:37.000 So whenever people ask how we met, I'm like, I was three hours late to dinner with my husband because I was doing Russell Brand's podcast.

00:02:42.000 So I'll never forget you.

00:02:43.000 You're my good luck charm.

00:02:44.000 Some great things could happen for me after this.

00:02:46.000 I am glad that I have this apotropaic quality in your life, that I bring you love and good fortune, Candice.

00:02:54.000 There's a word I don't get to say too frequently.

00:02:57.000 And yet I find that we are already at a point of conflict because I noticed that you thread I did your first announcement, for that's what it was, with the idea that I've somehow been seduced into a political and cultural space that you long knew that I would inertly wander into.

00:03:13.000 And I tell you now, I always believed in freedom.

00:03:16.000 I've always been anti-establishment.

00:03:18.000 I've always been pro the rights of the individuals and the rights of the community.

00:03:22.000 I've always been opposed to corporate power and to the combination of states and corporations against the people.

00:03:28.000 And I've always believed that when it comes to cultural issues, We must be allowed to form our own opinions and identities.

00:03:35.000 And I don't think I was ever a hammer and sickle communist.

00:03:37.000 Although I do remember some marvellous moments when you were in our studio.

00:03:41.000 It was the other studio then.

00:03:43.000 And what's going to happen?

00:03:44.000 Is everyone just going to get away?

00:03:46.000 And I remember you sort of skipping around the studio.

00:03:47.000 I thought, how can I continue to argue with this person?

00:03:50.000 She's just too charming.

00:03:52.000 And then you marched right out of there and got yourself married.

00:03:55.000 And we're both now, I think, three kids further down the line.

00:03:58.000 You've got a new human being entering the world, have you?

00:04:02.000 Yeah, nine more weeks left of this pregnancy.

00:04:04.000 This will be another boy.

00:04:05.000 I have a boy, a girl, and this one will be a boy.

00:04:07.000 So yeah, everything has just been wonderful.

00:04:09.000 But I do consider this my good luck podcast, so I'm looking for some good fortune after this.

00:04:14.000 And yeah, I know I'm being a little hyperbolic.

00:04:16.000 You weren't fully hammer and sickle, but I would definitely say that you've As we all have developed over the years and it was a wonderful interview and I think one of the things that you definitely have always been open to is conversation even with people that you disagree with.

00:04:29.000 So I totally understand the success and why people are totally obsessed with your podcast now and everything that you're doing because you're just an interesting person to listen to.

00:04:38.000 I love watching Russell Bryant clips.

00:04:40.000 Thank you.

00:04:40.000 You're really lovely to say that to me.

00:04:43.000 Now, when I talk about aspects of socialism, I think it's important to understand that what I'm interested in is compassion and kindness in politics.

00:04:54.000 Actually, beyond that, love.

00:04:56.000 And how do we have systems that are able to convey quite basic spiritual principles, I would say, that are common in Christianity and Islam and all great and minor faiths when we look beyond the kind of cultural divisions that can easily arise from religion?

00:05:16.000 Well, what it offers us, I think, is the opportunity to infuse our systems of government and control with an emotional and spiritual quality.

00:05:25.000 I feel that what we're living in now in this sort of semi... it's not right to say nihilistic because there is so much charge when it comes to meaning in our political space.

00:05:36.000 But what there is a lack of, I believe, is spirit and kindness That everywhere we look, there is kind of deception, there is hatred, there is a lack of real vision.

00:05:47.000 And I would say that that's prevalent throughout the mainstream, whether it's on the purported left or right.

00:05:54.000 What kind of advances have you noticed?

00:05:56.000 What kind of changes have you noticed?

00:05:57.000 Where do you look optimistically on the intervening years since our conversation?

00:06:03.000 Where can you say, well, this has improved, this has gotten better?

00:06:07.000 Well, so I think one of our differences, which we had early on and I think we still hold, is I actually don't look for compassion and emotion in politics.

00:06:15.000 I think that it actually needs to be extracted from politics.

00:06:18.000 And I think that part of the reason is that we've moved away from logic and reason and objectiveness and more towards emotion and compassion, which is subjective, and that's why

00:06:26.000 it's problematic.

00:06:28.000 And emotion can yield to some really bad things.

00:06:31.000 We've seen this over the years, when people are being so invested in their emotions that

00:06:35.000 they're not thinking clearly.

00:06:36.000 And actually, the people that tend to seize control when people are emotional is the government.

00:06:41.000 So I am very much like, how I feel doesn't actually matter.

00:06:45.000 We have to remain objective about these things.

00:06:47.000 And I was just having a conversation this morning with my in-laws about that.

00:06:51.000 They're overseas at the moment and talking about women and women in politics and why I don't know that it necessarily works all the time. 0.81

00:07:01.000 And I was talking about this.

00:07:02.000 I've been talking about this on my show for four years.

00:07:05.000 You know, women are we are naturally more emotional than men.

00:07:07.000 I hate to say Pretend that there are biological differences between men and women but there are and that emotion is a wonderful thing When it comes to caretaking and nurturing and raising children, but I think in the political realm We often have our emotions hijacked and when they are hijacked it can it can lead yield great evil And I think we're in a circumstance where there's a lot of emotion being hijacked and yielding great evil

00:07:32.000 I agree with you that logic and rationalism are necessary for logistics, operations and organisation.

00:07:41.000 You can't organise a society based on, I feel very jealous, or I feel very joyful, or I feel very sad.

00:07:49.000 But when creating a vision, there has to be an emotional component.

00:07:54.000 There has to be an acknowledgement that That humanity has some value, that we are not just material blobs fighting for individual survival and making necessary pacts with one another, whether that's on a global scale or a communal scale, or just the interrelationship between two people for our shared and mutual survival.

00:08:17.000 So I don't think that emotion is a basis for government, but it is the place from where we need to derive our vision.

00:08:27.000 So I don't think that it's in any way ridiculous to suggest that kindness ought to be a part of politics.

00:08:34.000 And also I would say, because I recognise what you're disputing

00:08:37.000 and contesting there.

00:08:38.000 I think many of the people that purport to be advocating for kindness and compassion

00:08:42.000 and for example, rights of previously or currently maligned groups

00:08:48.000 are actually not doing that at all.

00:08:50.000 They're using those ideas to mask the same kind of...

00:08:54.000 of corporatism, authoritarianism, ability to censor, ability to surveil, ability to

00:09:00.000 shut down, that has always characterized authoritarianism, whether it's from the right or the left,

00:09:08.000 or these new emergent terms like centralist and peripheral.

00:09:12.000 Like there's no question that the, you know, call them a leftist government if you will,

00:09:17.000 although it doesn't sort of fit with my terminology.

00:09:19.000 The current American administration are an authoritarian administration.

00:09:23.000 They're about the imposition of power and control, even the way that the war is discussed, the conversation around the pandemic, the shaming of people that won't align with their perspective on cultural issues.

00:09:36.000 For me, I don't see that as emotion.

00:09:38.000 I see that as manipulation.

00:09:40.000 Right, exactly.

00:09:41.000 So it's the manipulation of emotions and I think, yeah, I definitely agree with you.

00:09:45.000 I just think that I can arrive at the conclusion of our humanity logically.

00:09:49.000 I don't need emotions to do that.

00:09:50.000 I can logically deduce that we are human beings and that, of course, we shouldn't be doing things, we shouldn't be imparting evil on individuals.

00:09:57.000 It's not because of an emotional aspect, but I don't think that we should be imparting evil.

00:10:01.000 But yes, you're exactly right.

00:10:02.000 What we're seeing right now is this authoritarian government across the world that are pretending to care about people, compassion, you know, wear a mask, save lives.

00:10:11.000 Well, how could you not want to save lives? 0.82

00:10:12.000 If you don't want to wear a mask, then you're a horrible person and you're trying to kill everybody.

00:10:16.000 And that's why I really think it's important to steel yourself against that sort of a manipulation.

00:10:21.000 And when you speak about that, though, They kind of frame you as a harsher person, which is something that I've definitely suffered in the media, as this hardening of Candace Owens doesn't have a heart.

00:10:31.000 It's not that I don't have a heart.

00:10:32.000 I just also have a brain.

00:10:34.000 And I'm very fearful of government encroaching into our personal lives, and I had done everything to insulate my family from that.

00:10:43.000 And the best way to do that is to tether people to their brains and, you know, not saying more than their hearts, but just to remember that you do have a brain and you should use it.

00:10:52.000 I don't find you to be a hard person.

00:10:54.000 I think that you're actually a good deal of fun and that you're very bright and sparky and a joy to be around actually.

00:11:02.000 But I do think that you are a sort of deliberately iconoclastic.

00:11:06.000 I think you are Great provocateur.

00:11:09.000 I think you enjoy saying controversial things.

00:11:13.000 That's sort of my assessment of you but I believe that all of those things are possible within joy and good humor and of course within the parameters of accepting that you have had a completely different life to me.

00:11:23.000 You're completely entitled to entirely different political perspective and in any kind of democracy worthy of the name you would accept and embrace those differences.

00:11:33.000 And last time we were talking, we spoke a lot about populism in the most common and

00:11:38.000 broad terms. Brexit regarded to be a sort of an emergence of a nationalist populism

00:11:43.000 in my country. Trump commonly regarded as a sort of an outlier in a new type of populism.

00:11:49.000 But in a sense, these markers don't hold up to scrutiny because across Europe prior to

00:11:53.000 Brexit, there were numerous populist movements in response to the 2008 financial crash. And

00:11:59.000 in your country, sort of protest movements like Occupy, which I grant you is sort of

00:12:03.000 a truly global movement as that financial crash was also global. Would you argue now

00:12:07.000 that populism and those populist events, Trump, Brexit, were not anomalies, but in fact, the

00:12:14.000 new normal, that what we're witnessing is a kind of an end of at least a strong appetite

00:12:21.000 for a different type of politics. And just one sort of conversational example, like I

00:12:25.000 think that Ron DeSantis, who's been a guest on our show, and I'm sure you've spoken to

00:12:29.000 him and I found him to be a delightful man, I understand his suffering in the polls because

00:12:34.000 he is too much like a regular politician in a media landscape where what people want now

00:12:41.000 are accessible, personable.

00:12:45.000 Identifiably anti-establishment figures like Donald Trump and let's take for the sake of this conversation the emergent forces of Vivek Ramaswamy who I know you're very fond of and RFK whose populism and popularity at least is another marker of change.

00:13:01.000 Yeah, you know, I think, for me personally, the reason why I said from the very beginning it didn't matter how much money that Ron DeSantis had, that his campaign was going to be a flop and that prognostication has proven true, it's not necessarily because he seems too much like a politician.

00:13:16.000 It's because there's something about him that feels like he kind of checks Which way the wind is going and maybe checks with his donors before he says something.

00:13:25.000 And it really comes really down to your gut instinct about an individual.

00:13:29.000 And I think it matters.

00:13:30.000 I actually think it matters.

00:13:31.000 There's something that feels less trustworthy with him.

00:13:33.000 And that's not to say that you need to be extremely personable and a great speaker.

00:13:37.000 I mean, I actually find RFK interesting because of the work that he's done.

00:13:40.000 And I'm obviously not a Democrat and I wouldn't vote for him.

00:13:43.000 But I think that the work that he has done regarding vaccines and You know, sort of standing up to the medical establishment his entire life is something that's noteworthy.

00:13:51.000 He's done something different.

00:13:52.000 He's done something brave.

00:13:54.000 And to hear him continue to do that is something that makes me want to gravitate towards him.

00:13:58.000 I don't think any of us would say RFK Jr.

00:14:00.000 is one of the great orators of our time necessarily.

00:14:04.000 And so, yeah, people are responding to looking at an individual.

00:14:09.000 I think they're taking what they're saying and what they're doing and I'm wondering if this person will have enough courage,

00:14:15.000 because it takes a lot of courage when you get into a position of power to stand up to the

00:14:20.000 authoritarian, whether it's the CDC or any of the other bodies that they've created.

00:14:25.000 And I just don't know that I feel that way about Ron DeSantis.

00:14:29.000 Vivek Ramaswamy is doing a lot of different things.

00:14:31.000 I didn't really think anything of him until I had him on my show, and I just had a very

00:14:36.000 good conversation.

00:14:37.000 I felt like, OK, I kind of understand who this person is.

00:14:40.000 He's a true academic.

00:14:41.000 He's extremely ambitious.

00:14:43.000 But it felt more authentic.

00:14:45.000 So, yeah, I guess you could say that that could be something that has to do with the populist movement, and people are naturally distrusting.

00:14:52.000 But I think it's something else.

00:14:54.000 I think it's gut instinct, and I think that people want to measure you against, you know, Did you stand up to this?

00:15:00.000 Did you stand up to that?

00:15:01.000 What is your actual record?

00:15:02.000 And Ron Sanders is a great governor.

00:15:04.000 I have nothing bad to say about him.

00:15:05.000 If I was living in Florida, I'd try to vote for him 10 times if I could, but I never thought that he was going to be able to have the same success nationally.

00:15:13.000 Well, it wouldn't be possible to vote 10 times because, as you know, there are no problems with voting in Florida or anywhere else.

00:15:20.000 It's one vote per living human being has been well established for a long time now.

00:15:28.000 I think it's not just about like oratory but just authenticity more is what people appear to be craving now, Candice, that people are sort of starting to sense that our Sanitized, empty, hollow political rhetoric isn't leading anywhere.

00:15:45.000 Another thing, because you sort of, I guess it's fair to say that your position is generally a conservative, how do you feel when issues such as free speech and a broad and general anti-war stance appear to now have become Conservative issues.

00:16:03.000 There's been this extraordinary flip where the liberal, peacenik, cultural revolution, let it all hang out, let's smoke a doobie man party has become the party of have a war, don't question a war, don't talk about potential peaceful or diplomatic solutions. 0.77

00:16:21.000 And obviously when it comes to censorship, the liberal democratic left are it appears more sensorial based on the relationships

00:16:29.000 that have been demonstrated between them and the social media sites, for example, and

00:16:34.000 their use of various deep state agencies to control narratives. And in fact, excuse me,

00:16:39.000 just the continuum of censorship across successive administrations, Snowden onwards, you

00:16:44.000 know. So when the values like free speech and, you know, anti war can become untethered

00:16:51.000 from one side of the political aisle. What does that do to your position?

00:16:57.000 And do you think it's a fair assessment to just acknowledge that these changes have taken place?

00:17:02.000 Yeah, these changes are taking place.

00:17:03.000 What I would say is the right is still very much pro-war, as well. 0.83

00:17:07.000 I mean, I think we saw this in the Republican debate stage, where how many people were saying you had Pence, you had Nikki Haley.

00:17:13.000 And this is why we talk about the military-industrial complex, because it encompasses the left and the right.

00:17:17.000 But speaking outside of the political players and just to the individuals, yeah, I think what's happened, because I've tried to actually assess it, is Well, people that are left-leaning have actually always been emotional.

00:17:29.000 And so what's happened, though, is the emotional arguments are now being transpired to make them support things that they've never supported in the past, right?

00:17:37.000 So it still works, you know, if you're saying, you know, end the war in Vietnam.

00:17:42.000 There's emotions.

00:17:43.000 Let's end the war. 0.94

00:17:44.000 Hippies, OK, we want this to be over. 0.93

00:17:46.000 And now you're saying, well, no, no, no, go to war, because think about the Ukrainian

00:17:51.000 children.

00:17:52.000 Think about how awful Putin is.

00:17:54.000 It's still a hijacking of emotions.

00:17:57.000 But the end result, I think, is actually different.

00:18:00.000 So they haven't necessarily changed.

00:18:02.000 They've perhaps grown more emotional.

00:18:04.000 Or I would say the media has grown just increasingly so focused on emotions all the time that they're

00:18:11.000 It's just, how could you not feel bad for the Ukrainian children? 1.00

00:18:14.000 How could you be so awful that you don't want to send billions?

00:18:16.000 Who cares if there's no accounting?

00:18:18.000 It's kind of going into a black hole, and we're giving less to the people that are in Maui.

00:18:24.000 You know, it's your job to constantly care about something.

00:18:27.000 Here is the current thing that you need to care about.

00:18:30.000 That's really interesting because it makes you wonder if there's any actual principles present at all.

00:18:37.000 My position on being anti-war is surely at this point in evolution we must be able to come to peaceful solutions.

00:18:45.000 Surely this is our duty and I would say that whether it's the Iraq war, Afghanistan war, Vietnam war, Korean war, Current war between Russia and Ukraine and in all of those wars the death of civilians and children of all creeds and nationalities is Appalling when it comes to the subject of free speech when it was the right when it was we were talking in the 1960s Whatever our civil rights movement pro-women gay different ethnic minorities or cultural groups when it was their them Spearheading that that's a cultural movement their free speech was important and now I think free speech is

00:19:16.000 I mean, what the point of principles is, is they transcend an immediate agenda, isn't it?

00:19:23.000 It's like your principle doesn't just sort of shift depending on what your objective is.

00:19:27.000 Oh, I don't like war.

00:19:29.000 Actually, I do like war. 0.99

00:19:30.000 And it seems that what's happened is that war has become packaged in Quite unique ways.

00:19:35.000 And I agree with your analysis that it's emotionally packaged.

00:19:39.000 But what it appears, what the genuine power behind it appears to be an ulterior or transcendent power, depending on your perspective, in specifically the military industrial complex are able to make sure that the American project remains a military one for economic Rather than ideological reasons, and I reckon, I suppose, that that's a rational discourse and a rational analysis.

00:20:03.000 But for me, it comes from an emotional place, because I think it isn't right to kill people and use violence as a way to resolve disputes.

00:20:12.000 So it's sort of a fusion of both emotion and rationale, because if, you know, because rationale can lead to genocide, brutality, and so can emotion.

00:20:21.000 So, you know, I wonder what you thought about that little moral snake's nest I've flung your way.

00:20:26.000 No, I actually—I totally agree with you, and this is why I was staunchly against, even from the very beginning, day one.

00:20:32.000 It's like, we just pulled out of Afghanistan, now you're telling us that we need to all focus on Ukraine.

00:20:36.000 And the American mindset is kind of being set to believe that we constantly have to be worrying about everybody else's problems, right?

00:20:44.000 That if you say, OK, we have plenty of problems here on our own, why don't we focus on those, that you're somehow rotten and you're somehow backwards. 0.98

00:20:50.000 And again, there's no accounting for it.

00:20:52.000 So if you think about it, you've got IRS agents that can—God forbid you send $200 on PayPal,

00:20:58.000 you know, you can be fined by the IRS.

00:20:59.000 I can log into my bank account, and I can see every single charge.

00:21:02.000 But we have no idea where billions of dollars are going into a black hole.

00:21:06.000 And it's very obvious that there are kickbacks, and this is why the politicians want to keep

00:21:11.000 these wars going.

00:21:12.000 I mean, that, to me, is just a rational, logical conclusion that most people don't see when

00:21:17.000 the current thing arrives, because there's this full-media effort, because part of the

00:21:21.000 military industrial complex is also the media.

00:21:24.000 The media is reinforcing these ideals, reinforcing these principles, that we constantly have

00:21:29.000 to be the moral police in the world.

00:21:31.000 Quite frankly, I'd like to mind our own business.

00:21:33.000 I don't know why we insist that the way that we want to live has to be the exact way that every single person in the world wants to live.

00:21:40.000 I live in America.

00:21:41.000 I like American values.

00:21:42.000 I like American principles.

00:21:43.000 I don't necessarily think that people in Iran and Iraq have to enjoy the way that I live or the way that I dress or the freedom that I want to express.

00:21:51.000 And so, they use this moral policing argument, and you saw this on the debate stage.

00:21:56.000 It's one of the reasons that I would never vote for Nikki Haley, why Mike Pence I would not vote for, is because they say, no, it is our job, and they use these Cold War arguments, and this is why we must do this, and, you know, Russia could become the Soviet Union again, when, in fact, it's us that has military boots all across the world.

00:22:13.000 It's us that's actually encroaching into other people's territory.

00:22:18.000 And people are completely delusional about that fact, and when you say it, You know, you're public enemy number one, but I've been public enemy number one and two and three for a while now, so it's okay.

00:22:27.000 You've been a lot of public enemies.

00:22:29.000 Now, if you're watching this on YouTube, one of our glorious 6.5 million awakening wonders, tuning in, doubtless, to see a fiery spat between Candice Owens and Russell Brand.

00:22:41.000 Candice, because of her ferocity and libertarianism, and me because of my alleged, I think you said, sickle-waving socialist or hippy-dippy Airy, fairy, sparkle, covered, woo-woo, new age, guru, claptrap.

00:22:56.000 Well, it hasn't happened yet, but next we're going to talk about YouTube censorship and how it has pertained to both of us, how both of us have been affected by legacy and mainstream media censorship and attacks, and we'll be talking about that exclusively on the Home of Free Speech Rumble.

00:23:10.000 Click the link in the description, join us over there, Right now to see us talk about that subject.

00:23:16.000 If you're watching us on Rumble, give us a like.

00:23:17.000 The Rumble button?

00:23:18.000 I don't mean that no more.

00:23:19.000 Give us a like.

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00:23:23.000 And we'll talk now.

00:23:24.000 Are we safe?

00:23:25.000 Are we just on Rumble?

00:23:26.000 Can we, Candice and I, speak freely?

00:23:28.000 Candice, so what do you think about the role of YouTube in regulating and censoring content?

00:23:33.000 Do you think they've just become another arm of the mainstream?

00:23:36.000 And also I would still want to take issue about saying that my children are surprisingly beautiful rather than predictably beautiful on the basis of a beautiful, two beautiful parents.

00:23:47.000 Your children are shockingly beautiful.

00:23:49.000 I know there's no pictures of them in the public sphere, but I did run into you in the UK and at some hotel and they are shockingly beautiful children.

00:23:57.000 Like they're just really, Stunningly beautiful.

00:23:59.000 You're kind of like, you see them and it just kind of blows you away.

00:24:02.000 I'm not saying that you're not a shockingly beautiful man, but I am saying that any person that saw your children would be like, wow, these kids are positively stunning.

00:24:14.000 They should be on, I don't know, the cover of magazines.

00:24:17.000 They're just, they look like glass dolls, is the only way that I can describe it to people.

00:24:20.000 I'm like, have you ever seen one of your parents' children?

00:24:22.000 They're shockingly beautiful.

00:24:23.000 I always say it.

00:24:24.000 I want to be honest with you.

00:24:24.000 I don't want to say it behind your back.

00:24:26.000 I always say your children are shockingly beautiful behind your back.

00:24:28.000 Now on, I'd like you, when you're passing on that anecdote, to say, have you ever seen Russell Brand's children?

00:24:33.000 As you might imagine, based on his physical appearance, they are extremely beautiful children.

00:24:39.000 But then again, why wouldn't they be?

00:24:41.000 Just to reiterate my main point, isn't Russell Brand handsome?

00:24:44.000 And then, you know, carry on with whatever crazy, ethno-nationalist, right-wing, rallying cry you are on.

00:24:55.000 So wait, what do you think about YouTube censorship then, Candice?

00:24:59.000 I absolutely hate it.

00:25:01.000 I'm on a ban right now.

00:25:02.000 I'm always in trouble with YouTube.

00:25:04.000 And what's really surprising in your earlier question about whether or not they're pushing mainstream talking points, I think it's much more nefarious than that.

00:25:11.000 It's really scary.

00:25:13.000 The groups that they allege are protected.

00:25:15.000 I think all of my strikes that I've ever gotten on YouTube are all pertaining to the topic of pedophilia.

00:25:20.000 And they try to say, well, you can't talk about pedophiles if they're gay or if they're trans,

00:25:27.000 even though we're reporting on actual news stories and talking about what's actually happening.

00:25:31.000 And for me, it's not a battle that I'm willing to give up.

00:25:34.000 So I continue to talk about it and I endure these strikes and these periods

00:25:37.000 because I'm a parent now.

00:25:38.000 So this isn't one category that I'm not going to say, well, just find me on a different platform

00:25:44.000 and we'll talk about it.

00:25:44.000 It is something that needs to be talked about.

00:25:46.000 There's obviously been an explosion of pedophilia light, as I like to call it.

00:25:51.000 What's happening in the school systems in America, I'm not sure if it's as prominent in the UK school systems

00:25:56.000 and you can let me know, but this agenda operating under the guise of LGBTQIA,

00:26:03.000 by the way, tacking on extra letters, and this is what happens.

00:26:08.000 These social justice movements never end, right?

00:26:10.000 It's the NAACP.

00:26:12.000 Okay, now you have the same rights as white Americans. 0.55

00:26:15.000 Oh, but now we have another battle to endure.

00:26:17.000 It's against the police officers. 0.87

00:26:20.000 All we want is gay marriage. 1.00

00:26:22.000 Love is love. 0.88

00:26:23.000 Second you get gay marriage, suddenly you're like, well, what about trans bathroom signs? 0.92

00:26:26.000 Oh, okay, now we've got the trans bathroom signs.

00:26:28.000 Well, we need to make sure that children are allowed to pick their gender in the classroom. 0.69

00:26:32.000 It's never ending.

00:26:33.000 And I don't understand what two gay men wanting to be in a relationship has anything to do with my children being enrolled in a school and needing to learn about, you know, 26,000 genders that don't exist. 0.99

00:26:44.000 What do you imagine is the agenda of those you oppose?

00:26:46.000 Hill to Die On. So, you know, the YouTube censorship surrounding that topic makes me

00:26:51.000 very uncomfortable.

00:26:52.000 What do you imagine is the agenda of those you oppose? What do you genuinely think is

00:26:59.000 the reason? Because, you know, I know the kind of stories you cover. I know how it would

00:27:04.000 be reported in some portions of the media. People say misgendering and things like that.

00:27:09.000 And you know me, right? That's not the sort of thing that I would ever do if someone wants

00:27:13.000 me to say something, you know, the same way as I'd call someone mister or doctor or whatever

00:27:17.000 if they asked me to. If someone says call me like whatever I'm like, it's for me.

00:27:22.000 Just because of that principle of kindness that I've previously mentioned.

00:27:25.000 With regard to this issue, are you saying that you believe that paedophilia, obviously I think we've both agreed that paedophilia is distinct and separate from other forms of, it's a matter of abuse because it's a matter of consent, children can't offer consent, they're too young, it's just plain and simple abuse.

00:27:48.000 What do you think is culturally happening?

00:27:50.000 Do you think pedophilia is being normalized?

00:27:52.000 And to what end?

00:27:54.000 Yeah, it absolutely is being normalized.

00:27:55.000 I mean, they've already come up with another term for it.

00:27:57.000 You're seeing college professors say that it's this push that it should be called minor attracted people, that the word pedophilia is not something that should be used.

00:28:06.000 That's scary.

00:28:06.000 You're softening pedophilia.

00:28:09.000 And when you see things of this nature and then you take a look at the books and why they're trying to introduce this to kids that are quite literally in kindergarten, first grade.

00:28:18.000 I mean, you're talking about kids that are five, six and seven years old.

00:28:21.000 Why else would you want to talk to them about their private parts and their gender? 1.00

00:28:24.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:28:25.000 Teach my children arithmetic.

00:28:26.000 Teach them hard academics.

00:28:28.000 You know, and it's not about being accepting because you have children.

00:28:32.000 Could you imagine if every single thing that they said you wanted to affirm?

00:28:35.000 I literally yesterday woke up and my son said he wanted to drive the big car.

00:28:40.000 Yeah, it's important to tell my child, no, he can't drive a car.

00:28:44.000 And so by trying to assign to say to kids, you actually are smart enough and you do have the autonomy separate from your parents to make decisions.

00:28:52.000 What are we setting them up for?

00:28:53.000 You know, we're setting up the idea that you can—you're an adult.

00:28:57.000 You're a little adult, and don't listen to your parents, and your parents are backwards, which, of course, is—the pedophilia thing is just going to be right behind it. 0.74

00:29:04.000 And I've got my eyes on that.

00:29:05.000 I really do believe that that's what's happening right now.

00:29:07.000 My children happen to be quite good drivers and I have no problem with them driving either the big or little because they can do what they want in that vehicle.

00:29:14.000 I mean, as you've said, they're so unnaturally and peculiarly and inexplicably good looking.

00:29:20.000 Just gotta let them do whatever they want.

00:29:23.000 I was also, what do I want to say there?

00:29:25.000 What I feel is reasonable when educating, firstly I would say this, The parents of children should be in charge of the way that those children are educated, and whether that's traditional or progressive should be a matter for the parent to determine.

00:29:40.000 Again, that's a principle.

00:29:42.000 So the principle isn't, I've got a preference and I'm going to use this argument to leverage my preference.

00:29:47.000 I don't care, not care, but mind how other people raise their children.

00:29:51.000 I wouldn't want other people telling me how to raise my children.

00:29:54.000 So like, you know, and, but what I would say possibly, aside from paedophilia, which is sort of, it

00:29:59.000 seems to me pretty plainly wrong, that when it comes to offering different ways that a human

00:30:06.000 being might express themselves or be, isn't the assumption that we live in a culture that

00:30:13.000 doesn't allow room for debate or conversation, or at least hasn't historically, and a lot

00:30:19.000 of assumptions around identity, around gender have been made, that sort of began with the,

00:30:23.000 you know, something you touched on earlier, that women ought to be able to work in all 1.00

00:30:29.000 roles and have jobs in whatever sector, and you know, because even when you said a bit

00:30:34.000 earlier, like, you know, women are more emotional, I thought, God, I bet I'm more 1.00

00:30:37.000 emotional than you, and like, you know, I'm a man, you're a woman, I bet you're more logical

00:30:42.000 and rational than me.

00:30:44.000 I'm emotional.

00:30:45.000 That's how I run, you know what I mean?

00:30:49.000 Anyway, so I guess, look, a conversation about norms and the various ways that people might express themselves, I think, is healthy.

00:30:56.000 But having said that, I don't think that anyone else should take precedence over the parents when it comes to imposing ideals or ideas.

00:31:05.000 Yeah, we need to be a society, of course, when you're governing for the whole.

00:31:08.000 You need to be a society that governs based on the rule, not the exception, right?

00:31:12.000 So yes, there are exceptions.

00:31:14.000 Are there some men that are more emotional than women?

00:31:16.000 But as a rule, women are more emotional than men.

00:31:16.000 Absolutely.

00:31:20.000 And we should be able to say that.

00:31:21.000 We should be able to acknowledge that.

00:31:22.000 And that's always been the circumstance.

00:31:24.000 Women are drawn to certain categories. 0.94

00:31:26.000 that men are not drawn to, the way that men bond is different than the way that women

00:31:30.000 bond.

00:31:31.000 These are, again, rules.

00:31:32.000 Of course, there are exceptions.

00:31:33.000 I'm sure there are some women that are absolutely crazy about sports and absolutely love sports. 1.00

00:31:37.000 But to then say that because we have these exceptions and we're going to now pretend

00:31:41.000 that all of society needs to pretend that everything is anomalous, that's when things

00:31:46.000 I mean, you think it's an act of compassion to if somebody comes to you and says, you know, I'm this to affirm them or to not to maybe not affirm them, but you're saying out of respect to, you know, play pretend in a certain way.

00:32:00.000 And for me, that's offensive to me, because what you're saying is I don't mind how you live.

00:32:04.000 But when you tell me that how you live Now has to influence how I live and I have to pretend that reality doesn't exist.

00:32:10.000 I find that to be very problematic.

00:32:12.000 It's sort of like, you know, if you meet a person who's suffering from, I don't know, bipolarism or suffering from grand delusions and they come to you and, you know, they say something that is so obviously not true.

00:32:23.000 And but then they demand that you say that it is true.

00:32:27.000 You're demanding that I lie, right?

00:32:29.000 So if you want to go out and pretend that you're a woman And in, say, I'm—you know, I don't know what a Russell name would be, whatever it is.

00:32:37.000 That's absolutely fine, but I don't have to pretend that you're a woman.

00:32:40.000 I get to exist in the realm of reality.

00:32:42.000 And so I find that to be weird when we're encroaching on people that are seeing things straight and as they are and pretending that it's not kind if they don't want to play—pretend.

00:32:52.000 I'll play pretend with toddlers, I will, you know, but not with adults.

00:32:56.000 Well, I suppose I see it as that there is an, around language, there is an arbitrariness anyway, when it comes to some of the terminology that's used, that language is convenience for identification, and if language has a different meaning to somebody because of the way that they feel, and I can make them Feel better just by saying that.

00:33:18.000 Like, for me, that's easy.

00:33:20.000 And not that different from if someone had some sort of cultural tag that they would like me to apply, like, seigneur, monsieur, or, like, whatever.

00:33:30.000 If someone says, like, for me, that identifies, you know, female or any form of identification, it just doesn't trouble me in that way.

00:33:38.000 Now, like, I'm sort of open to your sort of rule, the type of analysis you apply to that, but I don't know why, sort of, what troubles you.

00:33:46.000 Because calling me a birthing person, you're basically saying that I have to cease to exist so that men that have mental disorders can exist, right?

00:33:54.000 That's very wrong.

00:33:55.000 It's wrong to pretend that I'm not different from you.

00:33:57.000 You've been pregnant before, Russell.

00:33:59.000 Do you think calling me a birthing person?

00:34:01.000 You've seen your wife be pregnant. 0.83

00:34:02.000 You see what women go through.

00:34:04.000 So the idea that I'm going to stop existing so that somebody can feel good in their head, it's just not who I am.

00:34:11.000 I think it's very important to acknowledge the actual struggles that real biological women go through in the same way, and the hurdles that they have to go through.

00:34:20.000 And as we start diminishing language, which obviously is what's happening now, they're starting to say, you're a birthing person.

00:34:27.000 Men can breastfeed.

00:34:28.000 No, they can't.

00:34:30.000 Women breastfeed. 1.00

00:34:31.000 Women go through that. 1.00

00:34:32.000 It's a very hectic experience.

00:34:34.000 And so I very much draw the line at that, and I'm very happy to be considered not compassionate or not emotional enough.

00:34:41.000 And I think that the reason that movement has gotten so far and now you actually have men invading into women's spaces is because it started with one person saying, I'm just going to pretend to make you feel good.

00:34:51.000 Reality has to remain reality, and I am very objective when it comes to those things.

00:34:56.000 Okay, what I feel is like you said earlier about the norm should rule or the majority should rule and I started to feel that under scrutiny and analysis there are so many different taxonomies that are not really acknowledged.

00:35:12.000 An obvious emergent one are the sort of subjects around gender identity that we've been discussing but it appears that there are just so many ways of being American, being a human being And it appears to me that really what the ulterior force, the burgeoning force beneath this, which is not being addressed, is that there is nothing permanent or necessarily rational or logical about the idea of a nation-state.

00:35:37.000 About having communities of 300 million people or 60 million people under one government that this in itself is an idea and plainly it's an idea because there is no actual literal thing called France.

00:35:49.000 It's conceptual.

00:35:50.000 It's abstract.

00:35:52.000 Same for any nation or community.

00:35:55.000 And indeed, for hundreds of thousands of years, we evolved in smaller communities.

00:35:59.000 Now, I'm not anti-progress or anti-technology or medicine or any of those great advances, but what I've started to suspect is that centralism, centralization, authoritarianism, gargantuanism, whether that's in the corporate world or in the state, are ways that you can create elite strata and control huge

00:36:20.000 populations.

00:36:21.000 What I believe in is maximum democracy that would, in my view, immediately defuse the

00:36:27.000 kind of conversations we're having.

00:36:29.000 Like if I was living in a community of 100 or 1,000 people and we vote...

00:36:33.000 Do you agree that we, if people want to be called a pronoun, we'll do it?

00:36:38.000 Yeah, yeah, cool.

00:36:39.000 And then you're one.

00:36:40.000 People go, no, no, we're not doing it.

00:36:42.000 Democracy.

00:36:42.000 There you go.

00:36:43.000 And we all accept and marvel and enjoy the many different ways, like you said earlier, that people might, you know, you're happy if you go to Iran or Australia or Finland and find cultural distinctions, which I think is glorious and, in fact, a different kind of diversity.

00:36:59.000 What I believe we are on some level protesting against is the homogenization of everything.

00:37:04.000 And this homogenization is happening for commerce, for commodity, for authoritarianism.

00:37:09.000 It's not benefiting ordinary people.

00:37:12.000 It's advancing elite interests and it's undemocratic and it's destroying the world.

00:37:16.000 And people are sort of positioning it in extraordinary ways in order to facilitate it.

00:37:20.000 So where do you think that democracy and the simple idea of people being able to run their

00:37:25.000 own lives and run their own communities, as distinct from a kind of libertarianism that

00:37:30.000 becomes ultimately, I don't know, sort of financial and a communal anti-community.

00:37:35.000 How do you, what do you think about those type of ideas, dear Candice?

00:37:38.000 Yeah, I actually totally agree with you, and that's actually what makes America quite unique, is that we have state rights, and so you can kind of choose your tribe.

00:37:46.000 You know, I made—I decided to leave Washington, D.C., and leave—I was also living in Philadelphia for a while, because I realized that I don't identify with these people, I don't identify with the way that things are run, and I moved south.

00:37:56.000 And it feels like I'm in a completely different country, just living here in Nashville, Tennessee, right?

00:38:02.000 Completely different values.

00:38:03.000 And it's all about finding your tribe.

00:38:05.000 And you are correct that I think that we function better on a community level.

00:38:09.000 And now my life is totally different, and it doesn't even reflect what you're seeing on the mainstream media, because they have no interest in the way that people are living in the South whatsoever, actually, if we're ever being talked about.

00:38:18.000 It's in a negative way.

00:38:20.000 So, you're absolutely right, and this is why I think that I spend so much time—and conservatives in general spend so much time talking about families, right?

00:38:27.000 Because that's your original tribe.

00:38:29.000 Your original tribe is a husband, a wife, the children. 0.98

00:38:31.000 You get to assess how you want to live, what you want to allow into your household, who you want to allow into your household.

00:38:37.000 And that is the number one answer that I get to people when they ask me—they're so frantic about the way of the world.

00:38:43.000 and I'm talking specifically about Americans because our government is run different,

00:38:47.000 obviously, than yours.

00:38:48.000 You know, what can I do? What can I do?

00:38:49.000 Rather than focus on the big picture, this idea of what the nation

00:38:53.000 and what our responsibility is as a nation, what can you actually do in your own house?

00:38:57.000 When COVID happened, for me, I never worried a single day.

00:39:00.000 My children were never going to be masked.

00:39:02.000 I was never going to mask.

00:39:04.000 When we had a baby nurse come one night I said, you don't have to wear that.

00:39:08.000 She said, I want to.

00:39:09.000 And I said, actually, we don't allow that in this house.

00:39:12.000 And we, you know, showed her right out, uh, because this is our house.

00:39:15.000 We get to, we get to, we're actually the bosses.

00:39:18.000 I I'm the dictator.

00:39:19.000 Me and my husband are the dictators. 0.85

00:39:20.000 We're the evil rulers of this house.

00:39:24.000 So, and that returns power back to the individual.

00:39:27.000 I like your style, man.

00:39:29.000 You're hilarious.

00:39:30.000 Because like me, I'm like, listen, I don't really see that these mask things are working.

00:39:37.000 I guess maybe I'm just not strong enough.

00:39:39.000 But if someone in my house was wearing a mask, oh man!

00:39:43.000 I feel embarrassed asking people to take their shoes off.

00:39:46.000 But you'd be like, get that mask off!

00:39:48.000 Yeah.

00:39:49.000 And what did they say?

00:39:50.000 That's what I did the entire time.

00:39:52.000 She left.

00:39:53.000 It was no hard feelings.

00:39:55.000 I just said, we actually don't allow that in our home.

00:39:57.000 And I think she was quite surprised by that.

00:39:59.000 But the concept of my child waking up in the middle of the night, baby, and you've got a person that looks like Bane from Batman looking over the crib, it's just not allowed in my house.

00:40:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:40:08.000 So this is a baby.

00:40:09.000 If you're afraid of a baby, I don't need you here, right?

00:40:12.000 So if a baby terrifies you, you're obviously not a good baby.

00:40:15.000 Hello, let me check this baby's doing. 0.99

00:40:17.000 Oh, yay! 0.82

00:40:19.000 What a delightful child!

00:40:21.000 That's my Bane impression.

00:40:22.000 I hope you're pleased that I've done that.

00:40:25.000 That's what it would look like.

00:40:26.000 I was like, he's going to wake up and my poor little baby's going to see, like, this is very scary.

00:40:29.000 And so we just didn't allow it in our households at all.

00:40:31.000 Didn't require any of our employees to wear it.

00:40:33.000 We didn't stop anything.

00:40:35.000 We didn't care about, don't see your family for Thanksgiving.

00:40:37.000 I hosted a huge Thanksgiving.

00:40:38.000 You know, that's the beauty of small communities.

00:40:40.000 That's the beauty of family.

00:40:41.000 You get to establish your own rules.

00:40:43.000 You don't have to pay attention to the nonsense of the mainstream media.

00:40:45.000 So you're absolutely correct.

00:40:47.000 In a way, it starts to expose, I think, a conversation like this one, that there is no need for ongoing cultural conflict.

00:40:55.000 There is simply a need for mutual acceptance and respect.

00:40:59.000 Whether it's a subject like masking, where it appears we agree, except I'm too scared to impose my own beliefs in the same way that you are.

00:41:08.000 Or subjects like gender identity, where we disagree, but it's sort of like, yeah, let's be who we are, man.

00:41:15.000 Like, what's the issue?

00:41:16.000 Now, I want to talk to you a moment, Candice, that because you are such a troublemaker, because you can't even accept that Netflix have made a successful documentary about causing some bloody problem about it, making a murderer, which we all liked, we all had We had a lot of fun.

00:41:32.000 We all sat around thinking, oh, the police are corrupt, aren't they?

00:41:35.000 The way they've jailed this poor fella.

00:41:37.000 It was a lot of joy.

00:41:38.000 Now, you've made a new docuseries trying to ruin that for everyone else, haven't you?

00:41:44.000 Trying to even unmask that, like that was a problem.

00:41:48.000 Tell us about your new docuseries, Convicting a Murderer, and why you've done this, and why you're such a troublemaker.

00:41:56.000 I have to say, one of the things that I'm fascinated about is the, just the psychology

00:42:00.000 of propaganda.

00:42:02.000 And we've all fell victim to it at one point in our lives.

00:42:04.000 I mean, there are so many things that I believed when I was in high school, and now I know

00:42:07.000 that those things simply aren't true, but I adamantly believed them in my soul.

00:42:11.000 And so in my political career or in my cultural career, however you want to spin that, I like

00:42:17.000 the idea of a mass brainwashing that takes place because the media was able to present

00:42:22.000 a piece.

00:42:23.000 And so I obviously did the Black Lives Matter doc last year, and now Black Lives Matter

00:42:26.000 is filed for Chapter 11, and people are starting to realize that I got really emotional and

00:42:29.000 fired up about that.

00:42:31.000 But before BLM and George Floyd, there was this Making a Murderer series.

00:42:35.000 And for whatever reason, we trust documentaries more.

00:42:39.000 Like, we just set our preset to, like, OK, the media might be—the news might be lying to me, but a documentary, I'm—they're documenting this, so this absolutely must be the truth.

00:42:47.000 And the Stephen Avery case was absolutely fascinating.

00:42:49.000 You know, it was a global sensation.

00:42:51.000 It put Netflix on the map.

00:42:53.000 And you see this same dynamic that keeps playing out over and over again, where we are now interested in turning villains into heroes.

00:43:01.000 And you see this on a fantastical stage, like, you know, the movie Maleficent.

00:43:05.000 Like, they're, they're, oh, actually, here's the real story.

00:43:09.000 Wicked Broadway play.

00:43:11.000 Oh, actually, I know she was the bad guy, but let me tell you why she has a soul. 1.00

00:43:14.000 Joker.

00:43:15.000 you know, actually, let's really tell the story of the villain, feel bad for the villain.

00:43:19.000 But then when that happens in real life, like with the Stephen Avery case and making a murderer,

00:43:24.000 when you are taking someone who, you know, threw a cat into the fire, abused animals,

00:43:30.000 abused dogs, abused cats, abused women throughout his lifetime, and then kills a woman, and

00:43:35.000 you say, as a documentary maker, how can we turn him into a sympathetic character?

00:43:40.000 We're talking about someone that has—that's something that has very serious implications.

00:43:43.000 We're talking about a family that had to not just bury their daughter, Teresa Hallback,

00:43:49.000 who was 22 years old and had her entire life ahead of her, and was fearful of this man,

00:43:54.000 Stephen Avery, and who expressed her fear regarding this man, Stephen Avery.

00:43:59.000 She was brutally raped twice.

00:44:01.000 She was shot. 0.99

00:44:02.000 She was stabbed.

00:44:02.000 She was burned.

00:44:03.000 She was chopped into a million pieces. 0.90

00:44:05.000 And then she was killed in the afterlife because two lesbian documentary makers from New York was like, this could be an interesting person to turn into a hero. 0.52

00:44:14.000 And what happened was the celebrities seized this, all the usual characters.

00:44:18.000 Alec Baldwin said, you know, the brother wasn't crying enough at the funeral.

00:44:22.000 and created this monstrosity of this family getting harassed with conspiracy theories,

00:44:28.000 some that the daughter wasn't even dead, that she was gone with the cows and in Mexico.

00:44:32.000 It created a cult, you know, a fan base and people sending letters to Stephen Avery wanting

00:44:38.000 to marry him in prison. It's very dangerous. This aspect of the media being able to turn villains

00:44:44.000 into heroes when it comes to real life is very, very dangerous.

00:44:48.000 And I'm very interested and I always want to expose it because the only way we conquer it is if we all realize that we're getting duped, you know, that we're playing a part in all of this.

00:45:00.000 That's a fascinating perspective and take.

00:45:01.000 What do you think it is?

00:45:03.000 Because I've always thought that, in a sense, a story that tells the Joker from a semi-naturalistic and anti-hero perspective is an interesting artifact, an interesting take and also by the way, a kind

00:45:19.000 of a weird cultural weariness and a running out of IP, frankly, and running out of ways

00:45:25.000 to keep franchises alive. But do you think that there's something sort of more nefarious

00:45:30.000 at play?

00:45:31.000 Yeah, well, I think that first and foremost, you're right.

00:45:34.000 It's interesting.

00:45:35.000 You're like, oh, yeah, this could be another take.

00:45:36.000 This could be interesting.

00:45:37.000 We're going to explore this.

00:45:38.000 But I think in terms of the media, there's always been something more nefarious at play.

00:45:41.000 I don't think it's a coincidence that all the late-night talk hosts made these documentary-maker stars, gave them Emmys, you know, and told them, yeah, absolutely, this could potentially be true, and decided not to look over the facts.

00:45:53.000 There was one UK host, actually, who, from the very beginning, called those women out and said, you're not telling everything about the case, but his name I can't think of right now.

00:46:01.000 But I think for them, there was always an agenda, because in 2015, when this docuseries premiered, Making a Murderer, there was this sort of anti-police sentiment that was brewing, and they wanted to believe that the police, who are generally the good guys, were the bad guys.

00:46:16.000 And we've seen how that's played up and how that's scaled over the years.

00:46:19.000 And you see that when they were sitting down with Trevor Noah and these hosts on late-night talks.

00:46:24.000 Did his thing, and he's sort of said, oh, well, this is the one case where now white people can see how we've been—you know, how maybe potentially the criminal system is wrong and rotten and locking them up because of Stephen Avery, and did his whole bit.

00:46:37.000 And so it was also a way to racialize everything, which is bizarre, because Stephen Avery was a white guy, but to kind of drum up this narrative.

00:46:44.000 So I think that there is always a nefarious political agenda, and they seized upon this series to further divide people.

00:46:51.000 And yeah, we're kind of seeing the consequences of that.

00:46:54.000 But this is something that I'm just fascinated by.

00:46:57.000 I love to examine people's psychology and how easily we are routinely duped by the power of the mainstream media.

00:47:05.000 Yeah, God, testify.

00:47:07.000 What do you think is the significance of the success of a film like Sound of Freedom or The Emergence of Our Man, Oliver Antony, like these sort of, I won't use the phrase anti-hero after what we've just been discussing, but like new cultural voices That are not coming through the typical machinery, the media machinery, which of course have incumbent economic models and certainly, you strongly believe, a set of ideals that they are conveying through their cultural products.

00:47:33.000 What do you think about the sound of freedom phenomena?

00:47:36.000 Let's start there.

00:47:38.000 It's amazing.

00:47:38.000 It's amazing to see something that is truly anti-establishment have so much success.

00:47:44.000 And I think we're seeing this, like you said, with Richmond, north of Richmond, that people, we're understanding how people are feeling.

00:47:53.000 And I think that there is a moment, there is a shift that is happening culturally.

00:47:57.000 I think people are no longer believing they're They're what they're reading and what they're seeing in the mainstream media.

00:48:03.000 And that's in large part not just because of people like them, but people like you, podcast hosts that are getting millions and millions of views and subscribers stepping outside of the traditional model.

00:48:12.000 And I think that infuriates the establishment.

00:48:15.000 And it's why they've grown angrier and why they are encroaching even more on censorship and things of those nature, because they think if we can just stop these people from speaking, then we'll be able to regain control.

00:48:26.000 The train has already left the station.

00:48:26.000 But they're wrong.

00:48:28.000 Oh, please, God.

00:48:29.000 Please, God.

00:48:30.000 Hey, I've got a few questions from, like, people.

00:48:33.000 Thomas Beard, I was just, like, watching these guys in the locals' chat.

00:48:36.000 Some of them, they're such conspiracy theorists, they think that this ain't even live.

00:48:39.000 It's live.

00:48:40.000 Thomas Beard goes, do you think that the Will Smith Chris Rock slap was staged?

00:48:45.000 I don't.

00:48:46.000 No, I think Will Smith is a broken man, and I think when I watched his wife put him on Red Table Talk and talk about how she cheated on him with her son's friend and he sat there like a puppy, I was watching a man—it was very sad, like a tail between the legs, something that you should never see happen for a man.

00:49:08.000 And I think he was broken.

00:49:09.000 He had a moment. 1.00

00:49:09.000 He wanted to show Jada that he was the strong, masculine man that she's looking for, and he did something stupid. 1.00

00:49:15.000 That's good analysis. 0.99

00:49:16.000 Fair enough.

00:49:16.000 Thanks.

00:49:17.000 Michael L. Roscoe, do you ever plan to run for president because him and his family want you to?

00:49:25.000 That's very sweet.

00:49:26.000 Thank you so much.

00:49:26.000 You know, at the moment I'm running behind toddlers.

00:49:29.000 The family stuff is way more important to me.

00:49:32.000 And I actually think that I have more influence outside of politics.

00:49:35.000 I think the realm of culture is way more influential.

00:49:38.000 And I'm just happy with where I am right now.

00:49:40.000 You won't do it!

00:49:41.000 Oh wow, gosh.

00:49:46.000 Rich2054, what is your personal view of the Lahaina fires, the local federal government response, and what's your perspective on big stars doing campaigns to raise money for that?

00:49:59.000 Obviously, the federal response has been abysmal, and when you weigh it against our response to Ukraine and the United effort to make us send money overseas, it should really shine a light on how corrupt the United States has become.

00:50:11.000 I don't have any conspiracy theories to offer.

00:50:14.000 None of it makes any sense.

00:50:15.000 It's very worrisome, and it's kind of hard to sift through it all at the moment.

00:50:20.000 But yeah, absolutely a corrupt response is what I would say.

00:50:23.000 Yeah.

00:50:24.000 Yeah, it's a weird one, that.

00:50:26.000 I tell you, it's interesting talking to you.

00:50:27.000 Maybe I have changed.

00:50:28.000 Maybe I have, you know, I still disagree with you with loads of things, but I agree with the, I agree with the concept of you.

00:50:35.000 I agree with the essence of you.

00:50:37.000 Yes.

00:50:38.000 I agree with the right for you to be you.

00:50:40.000 And if you came on here one day and said that you wanted a different pronoun, I wouldn't, I wouldn't even remark on it.

00:50:46.000 I just go, yeah, right.

00:50:48.000 I don't care.

00:50:48.000 I'm like, I'm happy.

00:50:49.000 Love is love.

00:50:50.000 Love is love.

00:50:51.000 So, hey, listen, Candice, thank you very much for joining me.

00:50:55.000 I hope you've enjoyed this conversation.

00:50:56.000 Now, get out there in that world and have some fantastic luck.

00:50:59.000 Last time you left a conversation with me, you went out and got a husband. 0.99

00:51:02.000 Why not leap straight into polygamy? 1.00

00:51:04.000 Go out there, get another one!

00:51:08.000 Why not that?

00:51:08.000 Or a wife!

00:51:10.000 You've heard it here first.

00:51:11.000 I'm off to get me another husband because that's just my luck after I do the Russell Brand show.

00:51:18.000 Thank you so much for having me.

00:51:19.000 It's always been so fun.

00:51:20.000 Let's not make it too long next time.

00:51:23.000 I'm always in the UK, by the way.

00:51:24.000 We could do this in person.

00:51:25.000 I am a married Englishman, you know?

00:51:27.000 I know.

00:51:28.000 I know you did.

00:51:29.000 I don't think I don't think about that.

00:51:30.000 Come and sit here.

00:51:32.000 Come and be on the show.

00:51:33.000 I'd love that.

00:51:34.000 I'd love that.

00:51:35.000 Thanks Candice.

00:51:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:51:36.000 I love it.

00:51:36.000 Stop saying that my children are... I like beautiful, but not unnaturally beautiful.

00:51:40.000 Not like... Well, they're just... they're like beautiful creatures.

00:51:43.000 Like, they're like perfect specimens.

00:51:46.000 Guys, I'm telling you, it's bizarre.

00:51:48.000 Obviously, because they would be.

00:51:50.000 Candice's new docu-series, Convicting a Murderer, which is seemingly made just to annoy people is available on the

00:51:56.000 daily wire of course and you can watch episode one on youtube her podcast candice is available now

00:52:04.000 well what a fantastic show that was remember tomorrow is our medical special medical

00:52:09.000 experts telling you what to what to do, trying to drag you on to live for decades more

00:52:14.000 because I don't know, either you've got to eat meat or never eat meat or sit in a sauna

00:52:18.000 or get freezing cold. They've all got all sorts of crazy ideas they're willing to shove

00:52:24.000 at you. We've got some amazing people coming up. Jimmy Dore, lefty radical.

00:52:28.000 Crystal Ball.

00:52:29.000 Lefty Radical.

00:52:30.000 Yanis Varoufakis.

00:52:31.000 Lefty Radical.

00:52:33.000 Spiritual Radical.

00:52:33.000 Eckhart Tolle.

00:52:35.000 All leading up to a radical turn to the right when Ben Shapiro will be coming on our show.

00:52:40.000 I don't even know if that's chronological order.

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00:53:10.000 Are you willing to eat meat if it was never alive?

00:53:13.000 If it was cellularly grown in a Petri dish?

00:53:16.000 Or would you like fruit to live forever, glossed over in some peculiar glucose pulp?

00:53:22.000 Do you feel that Bill Gates' numerous global endeavors are designed to help you to fight climate change, to fight all sorts of things like food waste and poverty?

00:53:32.000 Or do you think there could be another motive?

00:53:34.000 Certainly Vandana Shiva does.

00:53:36.000 She calls this food fascism.

00:53:38.000 Here's the news.

00:53:39.000 No.

00:53:40.000 Here's the effing news. 1.00

00:53:42.000 No, here's the fucking news! 1.00

00:53:47.000 Good news! 0.99

00:53:48.000 Bill Gates is investing in lab-grown food, meat and lovely coatings for fruits.

00:53:54.000 Is this in order to reverse climate change and feed the world?

00:53:57.000 Or is it so that the entire process of food, from growing it to selling it, can be patented and controlled by Bill Gates?

00:54:08.000 Bill Gates appears to be attempting to patent new types of food that are grown in labs and centrally controlled.

00:54:14.000 Remember, the key issue that we discuss here is global corporatism.

00:54:18.000 Are there a network of agencies and interests that are able to transcend national democracy, and all forms of democracy actually, and impose everything everything on you from censorship to the ability to control

00:54:29.000 food sources.

00:54:30.000 Certainly our friend Vandana Shiva believes this is precisely the case.

00:54:34.000 Let us know in the comments what you think Bill Gates' role in the world is.

00:54:38.000 Is it that he's a philanthropist who just wants to feed people or does he have other motives and what are they?

00:54:43.000 Let us know right now.

00:54:44.000 Let's have a look at how our friends at the mainstream media are describing this phenomena of lab-grown fruit.

00:54:49.000 You've heard of lab-grown meat.

00:54:51.000 Yes, I have heard of it.

00:54:52.000 I'm disgusted by it.

00:54:53.000 Instead of harmonising with nature, instead of looking at ways to decentralise power, instead of empowering farmers to do their jobs properly, and I say this as a vegan who doesn't even eat meat, instead of having sensible farms with sensible farmers who have authority in their own lives, why not create some disgusting, appalling, visually anomalous and morally reprehensible New food source!

00:55:14.000 Yeah, we'll do the second.

00:55:15.000 But what about lab-grown fruit?

00:55:17.000 New Zealand scientists at Plant and Food Research are looking at how to produce fruit without a tree, vine, or bush.

00:55:24.000 Why are we doing this?

00:55:25.000 Why are we going to all this trouble to subvert and deny nature?

00:55:28.000 Why not just find new ways of taking care of the planet together, which could be done sensibly by decentralising, by placing an imaginary grid across the world, and empowering people within each territory to run their own lives?

00:55:40.000 Thing is, there's less profit in that, Why's there never any research done on how to break up food monopolies?

00:55:44.000 Now over in the lab, people are experimenting on stopping Bill Gates from being so bloody greedy.

00:55:49.000 Stop it, Bill. 0.88

00:55:50.000 Stop it.

00:55:50.000 No.

00:55:51.000 No, I won't.

00:55:51.000 Bill, stop it.

00:55:52.000 No, I want to control everything!

00:55:54.000 Bill, you don't need any more farms.

00:55:55.000 Just one more farm.

00:55:57.000 It may not look like it now.

00:55:58.000 Because what it does look like is bogies, boogers, snot. 1.00

00:56:01.000 Look at what it does look like is nasal discharge.

00:56:04.000 Sir, would you care to indulge?

00:56:06.000 No, you're alright.

00:56:07.000 I'll stick with the Ferrero Rochers.

00:56:09.000 But this Petri dish has the makings of blueberries.

00:56:13.000 We could have a whole new growing system for fresh plant foods.

00:56:18.000 They're preparing for dystopia.

00:56:19.000 Look at the ways you can see the preparation for dystopia take place.

00:56:23.000 Militarisation of the police force, growing food in laboratories, having robot dogs patrolling the police.

00:56:29.000 And drones patrolling the skies, censorship laws everywhere, the ability for organisations like the WHO to bypass national democracy, centralised currencies where you can switch off the financial power of individuals at will.

00:56:42.000 All of these stories, I swear, we're going to look back at this and say, look, it was so obvious what was happening.

00:56:46.000 We just watched it like, hey, that's pretty funny.

00:56:48.000 It's a petri dish full of boogers. 1.00

00:56:50.000 That petri dish of boogers means that you're going to spend the rest of your life in a cell.

00:56:53.000 A system that looks completely different from what we've always known.

00:56:57.000 We're all aware that the world is changing.

00:57:00.000 Yeah, we are!

00:57:01.000 Thanks to Bill Gates!

00:57:02.000 We're all aware that the world is changing.

00:57:04.000 Bill Gates actually gave the money for these boogers and this haircut. 0.99

00:57:07.000 We've got climate change which is going to cause quite disruption to our growing systems and where we live and how we grow and where we grow.

00:57:15.000 And how much authority would give Bill Gates?

00:57:17.000 Plant and food researchers working with cells from a range of fruits including cherries,

00:57:22.000 peaches and apples.

00:57:24.000 Scientists say among the benefits could be reducing the environmental impact of food

00:57:29.000 production.

00:57:30.000 I think that we're racing down the wrong trajectory, don't you?

00:57:34.000 Instead of going, do you think we're creating food in a way that's detrimental?

00:57:37.000 Are there any ways that we could improve that?

00:57:39.000 Let's consult with a variety of agricultural experts from around the world and ensure that we don't put financial imperatives across our practical ecological considerations.

00:57:48.000 Instead of having that conversation, it's like, or we could just grow stuff in a lab and carry on racing towards the apocalypse.

00:57:55.000 A profitable apocalypse.

00:57:56.000 Growers have mixed views.

00:57:58.000 Lab-grown fruit seems to be making a solution to a problem we don't seem to have.

00:58:02.000 Like, we have plenty of fruit to supply to the market.

00:58:04.000 There's no problem with that.

00:58:05.000 Bring in unnecessary Frankenstein fruits.

00:58:07.000 We don't actually need any more fruit.

00:58:09.000 Snot-covered blueberries! 0.88

00:58:10.000 Well, I've just grown some out here. 1.00

00:58:11.000 Get that filth away from me, you goddamn racist farmer lunatic! 0.99

00:58:16.000 Agriculture in itself, while providing the miracle of incredible availability of food for former hunter-gatherers like you and me, and me also created interesting hierarchies that are 1.00

00:58:25.000 becoming further emboldened with each new successive revolution. When technology and

00:58:29.000 agriculture combine, what you'll have is the ability to absolutely control food. And increasingly

00:58:34.000 I question the motives of the people that financially back these endeavours. We're

00:58:38.000 always told this is going to help people, this is going to feed the poor, but you could find ways of

00:58:41.000 feeding the poor. Now it doesn't seem to be a bloody priority does it? Let me know in the

00:58:45.000 comments if you agree.

00:58:46.000 Researchers say it's not about trying to replicate traditional fruit, but rather creating something

00:58:51.000 new and equally appealing.

00:58:54.000 What am I trying to go to war with fruit for?

00:58:56.000 What kind of world are we living in when fruit's a problem?

00:58:59.000 Fruit's alright.

00:58:59.000 Leave fruit alone.

00:59:01.000 Fruit was never the problem.

00:59:02.000 The problem is centralised systems that have become corrupted, communicating with one another, disempowering independent organisations, whether they're agricultural, media, financial or political, in order to create a vast hegemony in which all of us are just obedient little prisoners.

00:59:16.000 Yeah, but also, look at the shape of that blueberry.

00:59:19.000 It's disgusting.

00:59:19.000 Wouldn't you prefer to have a square one?

00:59:21.000 Oh, alright, I'll try one.

00:59:22.000 Here you go.

00:59:23.000 If you're eating food, you need to have something that tastes good and has a nice texture and is pleasant to eat.

00:59:27.000 What are we having a go at fruit for?

00:59:28.000 Where did fruit go?

00:59:29.000 Sir, look at fruit. 0.94

00:59:30.000 Disgusting bloody things, isn't it? 0.85

00:59:31.000 Have you seen this strawberry? 0.98

00:59:33.000 Nasty little thing. 1.00

00:59:33.000 What if there's all them seeds around inside of it? 1.00

00:59:35.000 Bill Gates isn't able to patent those bloody things.

00:59:37.000 Let's get them off with my shaky tweezers.

00:59:39.000 What are we putting into these lab-grown fruit to make them nutritional that we're then putting another heap of stuff in there to keep them nutritional or to counteract that?

00:59:48.000 And that would be our biggest concern with it.

00:59:49.000 There's this constant mistrust of nature herself, the idea that fruit somehow is malign and problematic.

00:59:55.000 Fruit and nature evolved alongside us.

00:59:58.000 We are it.

00:59:58.000 We are not separate from it.

00:59:59.000 The idea that we are overlords that need to construct things in a lab and that that will somehow be beneficial.

01:00:04.000 Remember how peaches used to be?

01:00:05.000 Mmm, yeah.

01:00:06.000 Delicious.

01:00:06.000 This peach will protect you from the next pandemic.

01:00:08.000 How do you know there's gonna be another pandemic? 1.00

01:00:10.000 Just eat your fucking peach! 1.00

01:00:11.000 The next avocados you buy at a grocery store might stay fresh at least twice as long as they used to. 1.00

01:00:16.000 James Rogers founded Appeal, stupid name, in 2012 and the company has raised a total of $110 million in funding from investors who include, oh, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. 0.85

01:00:27.000 Sure, they won't want anything in return for that investment. 0.92

01:00:29.000 Roger's appeal thinks it can combat the problem of food waste with its primary product, a tasteless, odourless, edible coating made from plant materials.

01:00:37.000 Okay, plant materials.

01:00:39.000 Hold that phrase in your mind for a moment.

01:00:40.000 Appeal can keep produce like avocados or oranges from going bad for weeks longer than usual.

01:00:46.000 Again, it's another bolting on to the natural world.

01:00:49.000 I suppose the human project of civilization is fundamentally a denial of nature, but surely there are ways for us to evolve in harmony with nature, for us to acknowledge who we are, what our relationship with the earth and one another is, rather than continuing down this mythic path of progressivism, which seems to be continually empower one set of interests, usually at the cost of ordinary people.

01:01:10.000 The product, eddy peel, they're really pleased with that pun, aren't they?

01:01:13.000 ...is described as a way of prolonging the freshness of produce and as an edible post-harvest coating.

01:01:20.000 Mmm, delicious!

01:01:21.000 Eat your edible post-harvest coating!

01:01:23.000 I don't want to!

01:01:24.000 It's making my teeth fall out!

01:01:26.000 We'll grow you a new tooth over here! 1.00

01:01:28.000 There you go!

01:01:29.000 It feels funny!

01:01:30.000 My tooth hurts!

01:01:31.000 It's not your tooth.

01:01:32.000 It's the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation's tooth.

01:01:35.000 Why is it green?

01:01:36.000 Ask Bill.

01:01:36.000 Imagine if we go to Monsanto or McDonald's and ask for a bit of sponsorship.

01:01:40.000 What kind of answers do you think we get?

01:01:42.000 The answer is no.

01:01:42.000 But these guys sponsored us.

01:01:44.000 Therefore, I endorse them and if you can use their product, please do.

01:01:47.000 Stay to the end, I'll make it funny.

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01:02:59.000 A peel's plant-based protective coating is made of materials that naturally exist in the peels, seeds, and pulp of fruits and vegetables that we commonly consume.

01:03:07.000 Aren't you hearing a lot, though, about how seed oils are really bad for us and they're giving us heart conditions, cancer, diabetes?

01:03:11.000 I mean, haven't you heard that from like Kali Means?

01:03:13.000 Let me know in the comments.

01:03:14.000 The safety of these compounds have been verified by regulatory authorities, including the U.S.

01:03:18.000 Food and Drug Administration, and you know where they get their money, and the World Health Organization, and you know where they get their money.

01:03:24.000 So it's extraordinary to see that what's offered as an unbiased regulatory body is funded, you know, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation significantly fund the WHO.

01:03:32.000 Like, what are they doing?

01:03:33.000 Hey, excuse me, I'd like to get some approval for this lacquer that I want to put on fruit to make fruit last longer, and could I ask me?

01:03:40.000 Oh, well, I do!

01:03:41.000 I do approve of this.

01:03:42.000 I'm gonna need a little more money.

01:03:44.000 Oh, come on, you. 0.99

01:03:45.000 Well, it's all for a good cause.

01:03:46.000 We gotta do something about climate change.

01:03:48.000 God, it's so expensive.

01:03:49.000 Like I keep it all.

01:03:50.000 How can you have your product verified by an organization that you're the second biggest contributor to?

01:03:55.000 That doesn't make sense.

01:03:57.000 That's not regulation.

01:03:58.000 That's a way of avoiding regulation through careful investment.

01:04:02.000 But it's not just lab-grown fruits that Bill Gates is interested in.

01:04:05.000 It's money.

01:04:05.000 No, not money.

01:04:06.000 Also, lab-grown meat.

01:04:08.000 For you, of course.

01:04:09.000 And the climate!

01:04:10.000 Bill Gates has said rich nations would help the global fight against climate change by moving to 100% synthetic beef.

01:04:15.000 Let's see if he's investing in any.

01:04:17.000 Gates has already invested in lab-grown meat startup, Upside Foods, and has invested in multiple plant-based meat companies, including Impossible and Beyond Meat.

01:04:26.000 Oh, thanks for the financial and dietary tips, Bill.

01:04:28.000 One side of Bill comes up with the idea, the other side of Bill approves it, and the rest of us have to eat that stuff.

01:04:33.000 But how will these new scientific advances even positively impact climate change?

01:04:38.000 Lab-grown meat has been touted as a way to save the planet, but a new study suggests its green credentials are not as solid as many believe.

01:04:45.000 Researchers have revealed that lab-grown or cultured meat produced by cultivating animal cells is up to 25 times worse for the climate than real beef.

01:04:52.000 Oh well thanks, it's only 25 times worse for the climate.

01:04:56.000 Production of real meat has a huge carbon footprint because it requires water, feed, and the clearing of trees to make way for cattle.

01:05:02.000 Despite this, experts say the carbon footprint of lab-grown meat could be orders of magnitude higher once the industry grows.

01:05:08.000 Experts think lab-grown meat is set to become more ubiquitous in the next 10 years, transforming from a niche concept to a common fridge staple.

01:05:15.000 But for this to happen, production methods will have to be scaled up from mere petri dishes to massive energy-intensive industrial units.

01:05:22.000 You can't make a comparison between a petri dish and an energy-intensive industrial unit.

01:05:27.000 Look at this!

01:05:27.000 This is much less energy than that cow!

01:05:29.000 Okay, well, can you make a lot of it?

01:05:31.000 We certainly can!

01:05:32.000 Fire her up, boys! 1.00

01:05:33.000 It's an entirely different proposition of that scale.

01:05:35.000 And even as a vegan, who only actually doesn't eat meat because I think it's cruel, I still find it somehow distasteful, unpleasant, weird, and at odds with the direction that we're supposed to be going in, to eat meat grown in a laboratory.

01:05:47.000 This is not the solution.

01:05:48.000 This is just another variation on the problem.

01:05:50.000 In the study, the scientists estimated the energy required for stages of lab-grown meat's production from the ingredients making up the growth medium, and the energy required to power laboratories, and compared this with beef.

01:06:00.000 They largely focused on the quantity of growth medium components, including glucose, amino acids, vitamins, growth factors, salts, and minerals.

01:06:07.000 They found the global warming potential of lab-grown meat ranged from 246 to 1,508 kilograms of CO2, equivalent per kilogram of lab-grown meat, which is 4 to 25 times greater than the average global warming potential of retail beef.

01:06:20.000 Again, I'm not a person who is pro-meat, and I'm saying a lot pro-industrialized meat.

01:06:25.000 I am pro freedom, I am pro you making your own choices for your family and your diet, and I am aware that there is a global effort to disempower and destroy farmers.

01:06:34.000 I believe because farmers are an important part of the chain of survival, i.e.

01:06:40.000 they are connected to the land, they are growing food.

01:06:42.000 There is no question there are challenges around agriculture.

01:06:45.000 And areas where agriculture could be improved.

01:06:47.000 But I don't think that the motives of these centralised globalist endeavours is to improve the ecology.

01:06:53.000 I don't think it's to improve anything.

01:06:54.000 I think it's to gain control and to make money.

01:06:56.000 I think those are always the motives.

01:06:58.000 I don't believe that these kind of interests are here to help us.

01:07:01.000 Let me know what you think in the comments.

01:07:02.000 I want agricultural workers and farmers to feel empowered and part of a community.

01:07:07.000 We've moved so far away from connected communal models where all of us feel like we are invested

01:07:13.000 in the food cycle, the cycle of life, communication with one another, that we're willing to countenance

01:07:17.000 an idea where why don't we give centralised authority to some lab-grown meat, lab-grown 0.52

01:07:22.000 fruit, patented seeds, unelected powerful entities that have been half-regulated by

01:07:27.000 other unelected entities that they also fund.

01:07:30.000 This seems to me to be a further advance of globalism that's plainly taking us in the

01:07:35.000 wrong direction, that isn't popular with the world.

01:07:36.000 with ordinary people and no one asked us if we wanted it.

01:07:39.000 And the only way they can continue to justify it is that, oh, we're helping you, we're helping you,

01:07:43.000 we're helping the environment.

01:07:43.000 But the facts do not support that.

01:07:45.000 Earlier this year in the US, the Food and Drug Administration declared cultured meat

01:07:49.000 safe for human consumption,

01:07:50.000 paving the way for them to be sold stateside.

01:07:52.000 But in the UK, the Food Standards Agency is yet to do the same.

01:07:55.000 Better call the FDA.

01:07:57.000 Brrp, brrp.

01:07:58.000 Could you approve this new lab-grown meat?

01:08:00.000 Well, look, I know that that's also me, so I'm gonna say yes.

01:08:04.000 In fact, this is a waste of money on this phone call, but at least it didn't damage the environment.

01:08:07.000 The industry has since grown to more than 150 companies as of late 2022, backed by $2.6 billion in investment, according to the Good Food Institute.

01:08:16.000 Let's see what Van Der Schieve said about this issue, and in particular Bill Gates, at the Community Festival earlier this year.

01:08:21.000 When the junk food industry was trying to rewrite our laws on food safety, food and health safety, I wrote a very quick briefing paper for our parliament, and it's called Food Fascism.

01:08:32.000 And I said, stop this food fascism.

01:08:35.000 So when your seed is controlled by Monsanto, your trade is controlled, your chicken are controlled by Cargill, You're junk food and therefore you're creating diseases controlled by Coke, Pepsi, Nestle.

01:08:46.000 All of this is a system of food fascism.

01:08:50.000 And then the next step of Silicon Valley and the techno-billionaires wanting to invest in fake food, so that not only do you have one patent on a seed, now you have 14 patents on an impossible burger.

01:09:03.000 On every fake food, there are hundreds of patents because every synthetic artificial element has a patent behind it.

01:09:11.000 Can you imagine if the whole world to shift to fake food, how much royalty collection they'll have?

01:09:18.000 That's what they are looking at.

01:09:20.000 And what we have to do is take the simple thing.

01:09:23.000 Same simple thing as a scarf.

01:09:25.000 Right?

01:09:26.000 If Gandhi could spin and say, we will make our own cloth.

01:09:30.000 And we said in Navdanya, we will save our own seeds.

01:09:33.000 We will never let seeds be the monopoly of the Monsantos and the buyers.

01:09:37.000 We have to do that now.

01:09:39.000 And we have enough time because not only is their fake food not ready, it's failing financially.

01:09:45.000 We're doing a report.

01:09:48.000 Many companies have gone bankrupt.

01:09:50.000 Many companies have gone bankrupt.

01:09:51.000 So we need to look at the failed system, the fascist system, and say, no, you're part of the fascist system.

01:09:58.000 Don't try and call us fascists.

01:10:00.000 We are the New Freedom Movement.

01:10:02.000 There you are!

01:10:03.000 Is lab-grown meat, lab-grown fruit, lab-grown fruit coating a way to help us and preserve food and save the environment?

01:10:10.000 Or is it an attempt to garner patents, to control food, to control yet another aspect of our lives, to separate us from nature, to separate us from one another, to separate us even from the concept of democracy because everything is centralised and regulated in some stratosphere inaccessible to ordinary people?

01:10:26.000 Is it food fascism?

01:10:28.000 Or is it pro-climate, pro-people?

01:10:30.000 I guess you have to decide.

01:10:31.000 Who do you trust?

01:10:32.000 Bill Gates or Vandana Shiva?

01:10:34.000 I'm going with Vandana Shiva.

01:10:35.000 But that's just what I think.

01:10:36.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.

01:10:37.000 Until next time, if you can, stay free.

01:10:55.000 Man, he switchin', switch on, switch on.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 13, 2023

Candace Owens vs Russell Brand: Politics, Censorship & Independent Media - Stay Free #206

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