Candice Owens is a political commentator, host of the Candace podcast, producer and narrator of the new docuseries, Convicting a Murderer on the Daily Wire, and the very great, always intriguing, and limitlessly confrontational Candace Owens. In this episode, we discuss the nature of modern censorship and the obvious need for the protection of free speech, and how we bring our personal morality to the complex subject of free speech . In our item, here s the effing news: No, No, Here s The Fucking News! We re going to be talking about Bill Gates and lab-grown food. It s not just synthetic meat grown in petri dishes, but now lab grown fruit that looks like boogers and lacquered fruit covered in some sort of odd diaphanous web that I find most disturbing. But now I m excited and you will be too if you saw our previous conversation because I m talking to Candice Owens again, and you re gonna be too! And yet I find that we are already at a point of conflict because I noticed that I ve somehow been seduced into a political and cultural space that I long knew that I would inertly wander into. And I tell you now, I m glad that I have this apotropaic quality in my life, that I bring you love and good fortune. Thank you, and also, Russell, I will never forget you, because I am glad that you are a part of my love story, and I bring me love and luck, and some great fortune. And some great things could happen for me after this. I am so much more than I can t wait to have a baby boy. . . . And I m looking forward to seeing you in the future. Stay Free with Russell Brand. Stay Free, my love, my loves. -P.S. -Ronna & Rachael -Rachael . . Rachie R. Rocha and R. J. and I hope you re looking for some good fortune after this one. R.J. , R. SONG: "Good Luck" by R. & R. B. is out there, R. E. Thank You For Being a Good Luck, My Good Luck? (featuring R. CANDACE O'SOLVING A MURDER
00:00:59.000We're also, when we're exclusively on Rumble, going to be discussing the nature of modern censorship with Candice and the obvious need for the protection of free speech and how we bring our personal morality to the complex subject of Free speech.
00:01:15.000We're going to be talking about Bill Gates and lab-grown food.
00:01:19.000It's not just synthetic meat grown in Petri dishes, a disturbing literal monstrosity, but now lab-grown fruit that, to me, I've seen some of it, it looks like boogers, and also lacquered fruit that are covered in some sort of odd diaphanous web that I find most disturbing.
00:01:36.000But now I'm excited and you will be too if you saw our previous conversation because I'm going to be talking to
00:01:42.000political commentator, host of the Candace podcast, producer and narrator of the new docuseries,
00:01:49.000Convicting a Murderer on the Daily Wire, the very great, always intriguing, limitlessly
00:01:56.000confrontational Candace Owens. Candace, how lovely to see you again.
00:02:04.000I really just was very excited about doing this podcast, because I had such a fun time with you, because at the time we were on such opposite sides of the totem pole, but you were just so kind, such great energy.
00:02:16.000And I just said to myself, he's going to drift a little away from being a hammer and sickle communist, because he's just too happy.
00:02:44.000Some great things could happen for me after this.
00:02:46.000I am glad that I have this apotropaic quality in your life, that I bring you love and good fortune, Candice.
00:02:54.000There's a word I don't get to say too frequently.
00:02:57.000And yet I find that we are already at a point of conflict because I noticed that you thread I did your first announcement, for that's what it was, with the idea that I've somehow been seduced into a political and cultural space that you long knew that I would inertly wander into.
00:03:13.000And I tell you now, I always believed in freedom.
00:04:05.000I have a boy, a girl, and this one will be a boy.
00:04:07.000So yeah, everything has just been wonderful.
00:04:09.000But I do consider this my good luck podcast, so I'm looking for some good fortune after this.
00:04:14.000And yeah, I know I'm being a little hyperbolic.
00:04:16.000You weren't fully hammer and sickle, but I would definitely say that you've As we all have developed over the years and it was a wonderful interview and I think one of the things that you definitely have always been open to is conversation even with people that you disagree with.
00:04:29.000So I totally understand the success and why people are totally obsessed with your podcast now and everything that you're doing because you're just an interesting person to listen to.
00:04:40.000You're really lovely to say that to me.
00:04:43.000Now, when I talk about aspects of socialism, I think it's important to understand that what I'm interested in is compassion and kindness in politics.
00:04:56.000And how do we have systems that are able to convey quite basic spiritual principles, I would say, that are common in Christianity and Islam and all great and minor faiths when we look beyond the kind of cultural divisions that can easily arise from religion?
00:05:16.000Well, what it offers us, I think, is the opportunity to infuse our systems of government and control with an emotional and spiritual quality.
00:05:25.000I feel that what we're living in now in this sort of semi... it's not right to say nihilistic because there is so much charge when it comes to meaning in our political space.
00:05:36.000But what there is a lack of, I believe, is spirit and kindness That everywhere we look, there is kind of deception, there is hatred, there is a lack of real vision.
00:05:47.000And I would say that that's prevalent throughout the mainstream, whether it's on the purported left or right.
00:05:54.000What kind of advances have you noticed?
00:05:56.000What kind of changes have you noticed?
00:05:57.000Where do you look optimistically on the intervening years since our conversation?
00:06:03.000Where can you say, well, this has improved, this has gotten better?
00:06:07.000Well, so I think one of our differences, which we had early on and I think we still hold, is I actually don't look for compassion and emotion in politics.
00:06:15.000I think that it actually needs to be extracted from politics.
00:06:18.000And I think that part of the reason is that we've moved away from logic and reason and objectiveness and more towards emotion and compassion, which is subjective, and that's why
00:07:02.000I've been talking about this on my show for four years.
00:07:05.000You know, women are we are naturally more emotional than men.
00:07:07.000I hate to say Pretend that there are biological differences between men and women but there are and that emotion is a wonderful thing When it comes to caretaking and nurturing and raising children, but I think in the political realm We often have our emotions hijacked and when they are hijacked it can it can lead yield great evil And I think we're in a circumstance where there's a lot of emotion being hijacked and yielding great evil
00:07:32.000I agree with you that logic and rationalism are necessary for logistics, operations and organisation.
00:07:41.000You can't organise a society based on, I feel very jealous, or I feel very joyful, or I feel very sad.
00:07:49.000But when creating a vision, there has to be an emotional component.
00:07:54.000There has to be an acknowledgement that That humanity has some value, that we are not just material blobs fighting for individual survival and making necessary pacts with one another, whether that's on a global scale or a communal scale, or just the interrelationship between two people for our shared and mutual survival.
00:08:17.000So I don't think that emotion is a basis for government, but it is the place from where we need to derive our vision.
00:08:27.000So I don't think that it's in any way ridiculous to suggest that kindness ought to be a part of politics.
00:08:34.000And also I would say, because I recognise what you're disputing
00:08:50.000They're using those ideas to mask the same kind of...
00:08:54.000of corporatism, authoritarianism, ability to censor, ability to surveil, ability to
00:09:00.000shut down, that has always characterized authoritarianism, whether it's from the right or the left,
00:09:08.000or these new emergent terms like centralist and peripheral.
00:09:12.000Like there's no question that the, you know, call them a leftist government if you will,
00:09:17.000although it doesn't sort of fit with my terminology.
00:09:19.000The current American administration are an authoritarian administration.
00:09:23.000They're about the imposition of power and control, even the way that the war is discussed, the conversation around the pandemic, the shaming of people that won't align with their perspective on cultural issues.
00:09:50.000I can logically deduce that we are human beings and that, of course, we shouldn't be doing things, we shouldn't be imparting evil on individuals.
00:09:57.000It's not because of an emotional aspect, but I don't think that we should be imparting evil.
00:10:02.000What we're seeing right now is this authoritarian government across the world that are pretending to care about people, compassion, you know, wear a mask, save lives.
00:10:11.000Well, how could you not want to save lives?
00:10:12.000If you don't want to wear a mask, then you're a horrible person and you're trying to kill everybody.
00:10:16.000And that's why I really think it's important to steel yourself against that sort of a manipulation.
00:10:21.000And when you speak about that, though, They kind of frame you as a harsher person, which is something that I've definitely suffered in the media, as this hardening of Candace Owens doesn't have a heart.
00:10:34.000And I'm very fearful of government encroaching into our personal lives, and I had done everything to insulate my family from that.
00:10:43.000And the best way to do that is to tether people to their brains and, you know, not saying more than their hearts, but just to remember that you do have a brain and you should use it.
00:11:09.000I think you enjoy saying controversial things.
00:11:13.000That's sort of my assessment of you but I believe that all of those things are possible within joy and good humor and of course within the parameters of accepting that you have had a completely different life to me.
00:11:23.000You're completely entitled to entirely different political perspective and in any kind of democracy worthy of the name you would accept and embrace those differences.
00:11:33.000And last time we were talking, we spoke a lot about populism in the most common and
00:11:38.000broad terms. Brexit regarded to be a sort of an emergence of a nationalist populism
00:11:43.000in my country. Trump commonly regarded as a sort of an outlier in a new type of populism.
00:11:49.000But in a sense, these markers don't hold up to scrutiny because across Europe prior to
00:11:53.000Brexit, there were numerous populist movements in response to the 2008 financial crash. And
00:11:59.000in your country, sort of protest movements like Occupy, which I grant you is sort of
00:12:03.000a truly global movement as that financial crash was also global. Would you argue now
00:12:07.000that populism and those populist events, Trump, Brexit, were not anomalies, but in fact, the
00:12:14.000new normal, that what we're witnessing is a kind of an end of at least a strong appetite
00:12:21.000for a different type of politics. And just one sort of conversational example, like I
00:12:25.000think that Ron DeSantis, who's been a guest on our show, and I'm sure you've spoken to
00:12:29.000him and I found him to be a delightful man, I understand his suffering in the polls because
00:12:34.000he is too much like a regular politician in a media landscape where what people want now
00:12:45.000Identifiably anti-establishment figures like Donald Trump and let's take for the sake of this conversation the emergent forces of Vivek Ramaswamy who I know you're very fond of and RFK whose populism and popularity at least is another marker of change.
00:13:01.000Yeah, you know, I think, for me personally, the reason why I said from the very beginning it didn't matter how much money that Ron DeSantis had, that his campaign was going to be a flop and that prognostication has proven true, it's not necessarily because he seems too much like a politician.
00:13:16.000It's because there's something about him that feels like he kind of checks Which way the wind is going and maybe checks with his donors before he says something.
00:13:25.000And it really comes really down to your gut instinct about an individual.
00:13:31.000There's something that feels less trustworthy with him.
00:13:33.000And that's not to say that you need to be extremely personable and a great speaker.
00:13:37.000I mean, I actually find RFK interesting because of the work that he's done.
00:13:40.000And I'm obviously not a Democrat and I wouldn't vote for him.
00:13:43.000But I think that the work that he has done regarding vaccines and You know, sort of standing up to the medical establishment his entire life is something that's noteworthy.
00:14:45.000So, yeah, I guess you could say that that could be something that has to do with the populist movement, and people are naturally distrusting.
00:15:05.000If I was living in Florida, I'd try to vote for him 10 times if I could, but I never thought that he was going to be able to have the same success nationally.
00:15:13.000Well, it wouldn't be possible to vote 10 times because, as you know, there are no problems with voting in Florida or anywhere else.
00:15:20.000It's one vote per living human being has been well established for a long time now.
00:15:28.000I think it's not just about like oratory but just authenticity more is what people appear to be craving now, Candice, that people are sort of starting to sense that our Sanitized, empty, hollow political rhetoric isn't leading anywhere.
00:15:45.000Another thing, because you sort of, I guess it's fair to say that your position is generally a conservative, how do you feel when issues such as free speech and a broad and general anti-war stance appear to now have become Conservative issues.
00:16:03.000There's been this extraordinary flip where the liberal, peacenik, cultural revolution, let it all hang out, let's smoke a doobie man party has become the party of have a war, don't question a war, don't talk about potential peaceful or diplomatic solutions.
00:16:21.000And obviously when it comes to censorship, the liberal democratic left are it appears more sensorial based on the relationships
00:16:29.000that have been demonstrated between them and the social media sites, for example, and
00:16:34.000their use of various deep state agencies to control narratives. And in fact, excuse me,
00:16:39.000just the continuum of censorship across successive administrations, Snowden onwards, you
00:16:44.000know. So when the values like free speech and, you know, anti war can become untethered
00:16:51.000from one side of the political aisle. What does that do to your position?
00:16:57.000And do you think it's a fair assessment to just acknowledge that these changes have taken place?
00:17:03.000What I would say is the right is still very much pro-war, as well.
00:17:07.000I mean, I think we saw this in the Republican debate stage, where how many people were saying you had Pence, you had Nikki Haley.
00:17:13.000And this is why we talk about the military-industrial complex, because it encompasses the left and the right.
00:17:17.000But speaking outside of the political players and just to the individuals, yeah, I think what's happened, because I've tried to actually assess it, is Well, people that are left-leaning have actually always been emotional.
00:17:29.000And so what's happened, though, is the emotional arguments are now being transpired to make them support things that they've never supported in the past, right?
00:17:37.000So it still works, you know, if you're saying, you know, end the war in Vietnam.
00:18:18.000It's kind of going into a black hole, and we're giving less to the people that are in Maui.
00:18:24.000You know, it's your job to constantly care about something.
00:18:27.000Here is the current thing that you need to care about.
00:18:30.000That's really interesting because it makes you wonder if there's any actual principles present at all.
00:18:37.000My position on being anti-war is surely at this point in evolution we must be able to come to peaceful solutions.
00:18:45.000Surely this is our duty and I would say that whether it's the Iraq war, Afghanistan war, Vietnam war, Korean war, Current war between Russia and Ukraine and in all of those wars the death of civilians and children of all creeds and nationalities is Appalling when it comes to the subject of free speech when it was the right when it was we were talking in the 1960s Whatever our civil rights movement pro-women gay different ethnic minorities or cultural groups when it was their them Spearheading that that's a cultural movement their free speech was important and now I think free speech is
00:19:16.000I mean, what the point of principles is, is they transcend an immediate agenda, isn't it?
00:19:23.000It's like your principle doesn't just sort of shift depending on what your objective is.
00:19:30.000And it seems that what's happened is that war has become packaged in Quite unique ways.
00:19:35.000And I agree with your analysis that it's emotionally packaged.
00:19:39.000But what it appears, what the genuine power behind it appears to be an ulterior or transcendent power, depending on your perspective, in specifically the military industrial complex are able to make sure that the American project remains a military one for economic Rather than ideological reasons, and I reckon, I suppose, that that's a rational discourse and a rational analysis.
00:20:03.000But for me, it comes from an emotional place, because I think it isn't right to kill people and use violence as a way to resolve disputes.
00:20:12.000So it's sort of a fusion of both emotion and rationale, because if, you know, because rationale can lead to genocide, brutality, and so can emotion.
00:20:21.000So, you know, I wonder what you thought about that little moral snake's nest I've flung your way.
00:20:26.000No, I actually—I totally agree with you, and this is why I was staunchly against, even from the very beginning, day one.
00:20:32.000It's like, we just pulled out of Afghanistan, now you're telling us that we need to all focus on Ukraine.
00:20:36.000And the American mindset is kind of being set to believe that we constantly have to be worrying about everybody else's problems, right?
00:20:44.000That if you say, OK, we have plenty of problems here on our own, why don't we focus on those, that you're somehow rotten and you're somehow backwards.
00:20:50.000And again, there's no accounting for it.
00:20:52.000So if you think about it, you've got IRS agents that can—God forbid you send $200 on PayPal,
00:20:58.000you know, you can be fined by the IRS.
00:20:59.000I can log into my bank account, and I can see every single charge.
00:21:02.000But we have no idea where billions of dollars are going into a black hole.
00:21:06.000And it's very obvious that there are kickbacks, and this is why the politicians want to keep
00:21:43.000I don't necessarily think that people in Iran and Iraq have to enjoy the way that I live or the way that I dress or the freedom that I want to express.
00:21:51.000And so, they use this moral policing argument, and you saw this on the debate stage.
00:21:56.000It's one of the reasons that I would never vote for Nikki Haley, why Mike Pence I would not vote for, is because they say, no, it is our job, and they use these Cold War arguments, and this is why we must do this, and, you know, Russia could become the Soviet Union again, when, in fact, it's us that has military boots all across the world.
00:22:13.000It's us that's actually encroaching into other people's territory.
00:22:18.000And people are completely delusional about that fact, and when you say it, You know, you're public enemy number one, but I've been public enemy number one and two and three for a while now, so it's okay.
00:22:29.000Now, if you're watching this on YouTube, one of our glorious 6.5 million awakening wonders, tuning in, doubtless, to see a fiery spat between Candice Owens and Russell Brand.
00:22:41.000Candice, because of her ferocity and libertarianism, and me because of my alleged, I think you said, sickle-waving socialist or hippy-dippy Airy, fairy, sparkle, covered, woo-woo, new age, guru, claptrap.
00:22:56.000Well, it hasn't happened yet, but next we're going to talk about YouTube censorship and how it has pertained to both of us, how both of us have been affected by legacy and mainstream media censorship and attacks, and we'll be talking about that exclusively on the Home of Free Speech Rumble.
00:23:10.000Click the link in the description, join us over there, Right now to see us talk about that subject.
00:23:16.000If you're watching us on Rumble, give us a like.
00:23:28.000Candice, so what do you think about the role of YouTube in regulating and censoring content?
00:23:33.000Do you think they've just become another arm of the mainstream?
00:23:36.000And also I would still want to take issue about saying that my children are surprisingly beautiful rather than predictably beautiful on the basis of a beautiful, two beautiful parents.
00:23:47.000Your children are shockingly beautiful.
00:23:49.000I know there's no pictures of them in the public sphere, but I did run into you in the UK and at some hotel and they are shockingly beautiful children.
00:23:57.000Like they're just really, Stunningly beautiful.
00:23:59.000You're kind of like, you see them and it just kind of blows you away.
00:24:02.000I'm not saying that you're not a shockingly beautiful man, but I am saying that any person that saw your children would be like, wow, these kids are positively stunning.
00:24:14.000They should be on, I don't know, the cover of magazines.
00:24:17.000They're just, they look like glass dolls, is the only way that I can describe it to people.
00:24:20.000I'm like, have you ever seen one of your parents' children?
00:25:04.000And what's really surprising in your earlier question about whether or not they're pushing mainstream talking points, I think it's much more nefarious than that.
00:26:33.000And I don't understand what two gay men wanting to be in a relationship has anything to do with my children being enrolled in a school and needing to learn about, you know, 26,000 genders that don't exist.
00:26:44.000What do you imagine is the agenda of those you oppose?
00:26:46.000Hill to Die On. So, you know, the YouTube censorship surrounding that topic makes me
00:26:52.000What do you imagine is the agenda of those you oppose? What do you genuinely think is
00:26:59.000the reason? Because, you know, I know the kind of stories you cover. I know how it would
00:27:04.000be reported in some portions of the media. People say misgendering and things like that.
00:27:09.000And you know me, right? That's not the sort of thing that I would ever do if someone wants
00:27:13.000me to say something, you know, the same way as I'd call someone mister or doctor or whatever
00:27:17.000if they asked me to. If someone says call me like whatever I'm like, it's for me.
00:27:22.000Just because of that principle of kindness that I've previously mentioned.
00:27:25.000With regard to this issue, are you saying that you believe that paedophilia, obviously I think we've both agreed that paedophilia is distinct and separate from other forms of, it's a matter of abuse because it's a matter of consent, children can't offer consent, they're too young, it's just plain and simple abuse.
00:27:48.000What do you think is culturally happening?
00:27:50.000Do you think pedophilia is being normalized?
00:27:54.000Yeah, it absolutely is being normalized.
00:27:55.000I mean, they've already come up with another term for it.
00:27:57.000You're seeing college professors say that it's this push that it should be called minor attracted people, that the word pedophilia is not something that should be used.
00:28:09.000And when you see things of this nature and then you take a look at the books and why they're trying to introduce this to kids that are quite literally in kindergarten, first grade.
00:28:18.000I mean, you're talking about kids that are five, six and seven years old.
00:28:21.000Why else would you want to talk to them about their private parts and their gender?
00:28:28.000You know, and it's not about being accepting because you have children.
00:28:32.000Could you imagine if every single thing that they said you wanted to affirm?
00:28:35.000I literally yesterday woke up and my son said he wanted to drive the big car.
00:28:40.000Yeah, it's important to tell my child, no, he can't drive a car.
00:28:44.000And so by trying to assign to say to kids, you actually are smart enough and you do have the autonomy separate from your parents to make decisions.
00:28:53.000You know, we're setting up the idea that you can—you're an adult.
00:28:57.000You're a little adult, and don't listen to your parents, and your parents are backwards, which, of course, is—the pedophilia thing is just going to be right behind it.
00:29:05.000I really do believe that that's what's happening right now.
00:29:07.000My children happen to be quite good drivers and I have no problem with them driving either the big or little because they can do what they want in that vehicle.
00:29:14.000I mean, as you've said, they're so unnaturally and peculiarly and inexplicably good looking.
00:29:20.000Just gotta let them do whatever they want.
00:29:23.000I was also, what do I want to say there?
00:29:25.000What I feel is reasonable when educating, firstly I would say this, The parents of children should be in charge of the way that those children are educated, and whether that's traditional or progressive should be a matter for the parent to determine.
00:31:33.000I'm sure there are some women that are absolutely crazy about sports and absolutely love sports.
00:31:37.000But to then say that because we have these exceptions and we're going to now pretend
00:31:41.000that all of society needs to pretend that everything is anomalous, that's when things
00:31:46.000I mean, you think it's an act of compassion to if somebody comes to you and says, you know, I'm this to affirm them or to not to maybe not affirm them, but you're saying out of respect to, you know, play pretend in a certain way.
00:32:00.000And for me, that's offensive to me, because what you're saying is I don't mind how you live.
00:32:04.000But when you tell me that how you live Now has to influence how I live and I have to pretend that reality doesn't exist.
00:32:12.000It's sort of like, you know, if you meet a person who's suffering from, I don't know, bipolarism or suffering from grand delusions and they come to you and, you know, they say something that is so obviously not true.
00:32:23.000And but then they demand that you say that it is true.
00:32:29.000So if you want to go out and pretend that you're a woman And in, say, I'm—you know, I don't know what a Russell name would be, whatever it is.
00:32:37.000That's absolutely fine, but I don't have to pretend that you're a woman.
00:32:40.000I get to exist in the realm of reality.
00:32:42.000And so I find that to be weird when we're encroaching on people that are seeing things straight and as they are and pretending that it's not kind if they don't want to play—pretend.
00:32:52.000I'll play pretend with toddlers, I will, you know, but not with adults.
00:32:56.000Well, I suppose I see it as that there is an, around language, there is an arbitrariness anyway, when it comes to some of the terminology that's used, that language is convenience for identification, and if language has a different meaning to somebody because of the way that they feel, and I can make them Feel better just by saying that.
00:33:20.000And not that different from if someone had some sort of cultural tag that they would like me to apply, like, seigneur, monsieur, or, like, whatever.
00:33:30.000If someone says, like, for me, that identifies, you know, female or any form of identification, it just doesn't trouble me in that way.
00:33:38.000Now, like, I'm sort of open to your sort of rule, the type of analysis you apply to that, but I don't know why, sort of, what troubles you.
00:33:46.000Because calling me a birthing person, you're basically saying that I have to cease to exist so that men that have mental disorders can exist, right?
00:34:04.000So the idea that I'm going to stop existing so that somebody can feel good in their head, it's just not who I am.
00:34:11.000I think it's very important to acknowledge the actual struggles that real biological women go through in the same way, and the hurdles that they have to go through.
00:34:20.000And as we start diminishing language, which obviously is what's happening now, they're starting to say, you're a birthing person.
00:34:34.000And so I very much draw the line at that, and I'm very happy to be considered not compassionate or not emotional enough.
00:34:41.000And I think that the reason that movement has gotten so far and now you actually have men invading into women's spaces is because it started with one person saying, I'm just going to pretend to make you feel good.
00:34:51.000Reality has to remain reality, and I am very objective when it comes to those things.
00:34:56.000Okay, what I feel is like you said earlier about the norm should rule or the majority should rule and I started to feel that under scrutiny and analysis there are so many different taxonomies that are not really acknowledged.
00:35:12.000An obvious emergent one are the sort of subjects around gender identity that we've been discussing but it appears that there are just so many ways of being American, being a human being And it appears to me that really what the ulterior force, the burgeoning force beneath this, which is not being addressed, is that there is nothing permanent or necessarily rational or logical about the idea of a nation-state.
00:35:37.000About having communities of 300 million people or 60 million people under one government that this in itself is an idea and plainly it's an idea because there is no actual literal thing called France.
00:35:55.000And indeed, for hundreds of thousands of years, we evolved in smaller communities.
00:35:59.000Now, I'm not anti-progress or anti-technology or medicine or any of those great advances, but what I've started to suspect is that centralism, centralization, authoritarianism, gargantuanism, whether that's in the corporate world or in the state, are ways that you can create elite strata and control huge
00:36:43.000And we all accept and marvel and enjoy the many different ways, like you said earlier, that people might, you know, you're happy if you go to Iran or Australia or Finland and find cultural distinctions, which I think is glorious and, in fact, a different kind of diversity.
00:36:59.000What I believe we are on some level protesting against is the homogenization of everything.
00:37:04.000And this homogenization is happening for commerce, for commodity, for authoritarianism.
00:37:12.000It's advancing elite interests and it's undemocratic and it's destroying the world.
00:37:16.000And people are sort of positioning it in extraordinary ways in order to facilitate it.
00:37:20.000So where do you think that democracy and the simple idea of people being able to run their
00:37:25.000own lives and run their own communities, as distinct from a kind of libertarianism that
00:37:30.000becomes ultimately, I don't know, sort of financial and a communal anti-community.
00:37:35.000How do you, what do you think about those type of ideas, dear Candice?
00:37:38.000Yeah, I actually totally agree with you, and that's actually what makes America quite unique, is that we have state rights, and so you can kind of choose your tribe.
00:37:46.000You know, I made—I decided to leave Washington, D.C., and leave—I was also living in Philadelphia for a while, because I realized that I don't identify with these people, I don't identify with the way that things are run, and I moved south.
00:37:56.000And it feels like I'm in a completely different country, just living here in Nashville, Tennessee, right?
00:38:03.000And it's all about finding your tribe.
00:38:05.000And you are correct that I think that we function better on a community level.
00:38:09.000And now my life is totally different, and it doesn't even reflect what you're seeing on the mainstream media, because they have no interest in the way that people are living in the South whatsoever, actually, if we're ever being talked about.
00:38:20.000So, you're absolutely right, and this is why I think that I spend so much time—and conservatives in general spend so much time talking about families, right?
00:39:55.000I just said, we actually don't allow that in our home.
00:39:57.000And I think she was quite surprised by that.
00:39:59.000But the concept of my child waking up in the middle of the night, baby, and you've got a person that looks like Bane from Batman looking over the crib, it's just not allowed in my house.
00:40:47.000In a way, it starts to expose, I think, a conversation like this one, that there is no need for ongoing cultural conflict.
00:40:55.000There is simply a need for mutual acceptance and respect.
00:40:59.000Whether it's a subject like masking, where it appears we agree, except I'm too scared to impose my own beliefs in the same way that you are.
00:41:08.000Or subjects like gender identity, where we disagree, but it's sort of like, yeah, let's be who we are, man.
00:41:16.000Now, I want to talk to you a moment, Candice, that because you are such a troublemaker, because you can't even accept that Netflix have made a successful documentary about causing some bloody problem about it, making a murderer, which we all liked, we all had We had a lot of fun.
00:41:32.000We all sat around thinking, oh, the police are corrupt, aren't they?
00:41:35.000The way they've jailed this poor fella.
00:42:31.000But before BLM and George Floyd, there was this Making a Murderer series.
00:42:35.000And for whatever reason, we trust documentaries more.
00:42:39.000Like, we just set our preset to, like, OK, the media might be—the news might be lying to me, but a documentary, I'm—they're documenting this, so this absolutely must be the truth.
00:42:47.000And the Stephen Avery case was absolutely fascinating.
00:44:03.000She was chopped into a million pieces.
00:44:05.000And then she was killed in the afterlife because two lesbian documentary makers from New York was like, this could be an interesting person to turn into a hero.
00:44:14.000And what happened was the celebrities seized this, all the usual characters.
00:44:18.000Alec Baldwin said, you know, the brother wasn't crying enough at the funeral.
00:44:22.000and created this monstrosity of this family getting harassed with conspiracy theories,
00:44:28.000some that the daughter wasn't even dead, that she was gone with the cows and in Mexico.
00:44:32.000It created a cult, you know, a fan base and people sending letters to Stephen Avery wanting
00:44:38.000to marry him in prison. It's very dangerous. This aspect of the media being able to turn villains
00:44:44.000into heroes when it comes to real life is very, very dangerous.
00:44:48.000And I'm very interested and I always want to expose it because the only way we conquer it is if we all realize that we're getting duped, you know, that we're playing a part in all of this.
00:45:00.000That's a fascinating perspective and take.
00:45:03.000Because I've always thought that, in a sense, a story that tells the Joker from a semi-naturalistic and anti-hero perspective is an interesting artifact, an interesting take and also by the way, a kind
00:45:19.000of a weird cultural weariness and a running out of IP, frankly, and running out of ways
00:45:25.000to keep franchises alive. But do you think that there's something sort of more nefarious
00:45:38.000But I think in terms of the media, there's always been something more nefarious at play.
00:45:41.000I don't think it's a coincidence that all the late-night talk hosts made these documentary-maker stars, gave them Emmys, you know, and told them, yeah, absolutely, this could potentially be true, and decided not to look over the facts.
00:45:53.000There was one UK host, actually, who, from the very beginning, called those women out and said, you're not telling everything about the case, but his name I can't think of right now.
00:46:01.000But I think for them, there was always an agenda, because in 2015, when this docuseries premiered, Making a Murderer, there was this sort of anti-police sentiment that was brewing, and they wanted to believe that the police, who are generally the good guys, were the bad guys.
00:46:16.000And we've seen how that's played up and how that's scaled over the years.
00:46:19.000And you see that when they were sitting down with Trevor Noah and these hosts on late-night talks.
00:46:24.000Did his thing, and he's sort of said, oh, well, this is the one case where now white people can see how we've been—you know, how maybe potentially the criminal system is wrong and rotten and locking them up because of Stephen Avery, and did his whole bit.
00:46:37.000And so it was also a way to racialize everything, which is bizarre, because Stephen Avery was a white guy, but to kind of drum up this narrative.
00:46:44.000So I think that there is always a nefarious political agenda, and they seized upon this series to further divide people.
00:46:51.000And yeah, we're kind of seeing the consequences of that.
00:46:54.000But this is something that I'm just fascinated by.
00:46:57.000I love to examine people's psychology and how easily we are routinely duped by the power of the mainstream media.
00:47:07.000What do you think is the significance of the success of a film like Sound of Freedom or The Emergence of Our Man, Oliver Antony, like these sort of, I won't use the phrase anti-hero after what we've just been discussing, but like new cultural voices That are not coming through the typical machinery, the media machinery, which of course have incumbent economic models and certainly, you strongly believe, a set of ideals that they are conveying through their cultural products.
00:47:33.000What do you think about the sound of freedom phenomena?
00:47:38.000It's amazing to see something that is truly anti-establishment have so much success.
00:47:44.000And I think we're seeing this, like you said, with Richmond, north of Richmond, that people, we're understanding how people are feeling.
00:47:53.000And I think that there is a moment, there is a shift that is happening culturally.
00:47:57.000I think people are no longer believing they're They're what they're reading and what they're seeing in the mainstream media.
00:48:03.000And that's in large part not just because of people like them, but people like you, podcast hosts that are getting millions and millions of views and subscribers stepping outside of the traditional model.
00:48:12.000And I think that infuriates the establishment.
00:48:15.000And it's why they've grown angrier and why they are encroaching even more on censorship and things of those nature, because they think if we can just stop these people from speaking, then we'll be able to regain control.
00:48:26.000The train has already left the station.
00:48:46.000No, I think Will Smith is a broken man, and I think when I watched his wife put him on Red Table Talk and talk about how she cheated on him with her son's friend and he sat there like a puppy, I was watching a man—it was very sad, like a tail between the legs, something that you should never see happen for a man.
00:49:46.000Rich2054, what is your personal view of the Lahaina fires, the local federal government response, and what's your perspective on big stars doing campaigns to raise money for that?
00:49:59.000Obviously, the federal response has been abysmal, and when you weigh it against our response to Ukraine and the United effort to make us send money overseas, it should really shine a light on how corrupt the United States has become.
00:50:11.000I don't have any conspiracy theories to offer.
00:52:35.000All leading up to a radical turn to the right when Ben Shapiro will be coming on our show.
00:52:40.000I don't even know if that's chronological order.
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00:53:10.000Are you willing to eat meat if it was never alive?
00:53:13.000If it was cellularly grown in a Petri dish?
00:53:16.000Or would you like fruit to live forever, glossed over in some peculiar glucose pulp?
00:53:22.000Do you feel that Bill Gates' numerous global endeavors are designed to help you to fight climate change, to fight all sorts of things like food waste and poverty?
00:53:32.000Or do you think there could be another motive?
00:53:48.000Bill Gates is investing in lab-grown food, meat and lovely coatings for fruits.
00:53:54.000Is this in order to reverse climate change and feed the world?
00:53:57.000Or is it so that the entire process of food, from growing it to selling it, can be patented and controlled by Bill Gates?
00:54:08.000Bill Gates appears to be attempting to patent new types of food that are grown in labs and centrally controlled.
00:54:14.000Remember, the key issue that we discuss here is global corporatism.
00:54:18.000Are there a network of agencies and interests that are able to transcend national democracy, and all forms of democracy actually, and impose everything everything on you from censorship to the ability to control
00:54:53.000Instead of harmonising with nature, instead of looking at ways to decentralise power, instead of empowering farmers to do their jobs properly, and I say this as a vegan who doesn't even eat meat, instead of having sensible farms with sensible farmers who have authority in their own lives, why not create some disgusting, appalling, visually anomalous and morally reprehensible New food source!
00:55:25.000Why are we going to all this trouble to subvert and deny nature?
00:55:28.000Why not just find new ways of taking care of the planet together, which could be done sensibly by decentralising, by placing an imaginary grid across the world, and empowering people within each territory to run their own lives?
00:55:40.000Thing is, there's less profit in that, Why's there never any research done on how to break up food monopolies?
00:55:44.000Now over in the lab, people are experimenting on stopping Bill Gates from being so bloody greedy.
00:56:19.000Look at the ways you can see the preparation for dystopia take place.
00:56:23.000Militarisation of the police force, growing food in laboratories, having robot dogs patrolling the police.
00:56:29.000And drones patrolling the skies, censorship laws everywhere, the ability for organisations like the WHO to bypass national democracy, centralised currencies where you can switch off the financial power of individuals at will.
00:56:42.000All of these stories, I swear, we're going to look back at this and say, look, it was so obvious what was happening.
00:56:46.000We just watched it like, hey, that's pretty funny.
00:57:02.000We're all aware that the world is changing.
00:57:04.000Bill Gates actually gave the money for these boogers and this haircut.
00:57:07.000We've got climate change which is going to cause quite disruption to our growing systems and where we live and how we grow and where we grow.
00:57:15.000And how much authority would give Bill Gates?
00:57:17.000Plant and food researchers working with cells from a range of fruits including cherries,
00:57:30.000I think that we're racing down the wrong trajectory, don't you?
00:57:34.000Instead of going, do you think we're creating food in a way that's detrimental?
00:57:37.000Are there any ways that we could improve that?
00:57:39.000Let's consult with a variety of agricultural experts from around the world and ensure that we don't put financial imperatives across our practical ecological considerations.
00:57:48.000Instead of having that conversation, it's like, or we could just grow stuff in a lab and carry on racing towards the apocalypse.
00:58:11.000Get that filth away from me, you goddamn racist farmer lunatic!
00:58:16.000Agriculture in itself, while providing the miracle of incredible availability of food for former hunter-gatherers like you and me, and me also created interesting hierarchies that are
00:58:25.000becoming further emboldened with each new successive revolution. When technology and
00:58:29.000agriculture combine, what you'll have is the ability to absolutely control food. And increasingly
00:58:34.000I question the motives of the people that financially back these endeavours. We're
00:58:38.000always told this is going to help people, this is going to feed the poor, but you could find ways of
00:58:41.000feeding the poor. Now it doesn't seem to be a bloody priority does it? Let me know in the
00:59:02.000The problem is centralised systems that have become corrupted, communicating with one another, disempowering independent organisations, whether they're agricultural, media, financial or political, in order to create a vast hegemony in which all of us are just obedient little prisoners.
00:59:16.000Yeah, but also, look at the shape of that blueberry.
00:59:33.000What if there's all them seeds around inside of it?
00:59:35.000Bill Gates isn't able to patent those bloody things.
00:59:37.000Let's get them off with my shaky tweezers.
00:59:39.000What are we putting into these lab-grown fruit to make them nutritional that we're then putting another heap of stuff in there to keep them nutritional or to counteract that?
00:59:48.000And that would be our biggest concern with it.
00:59:49.000There's this constant mistrust of nature herself, the idea that fruit somehow is malign and problematic.
00:59:55.000Fruit and nature evolved alongside us.
01:00:11.000The next avocados you buy at a grocery store might stay fresh at least twice as long as they used to.
01:00:16.000James Rogers founded Appeal, stupid name, in 2012 and the company has raised a total of $110 million in funding from investors who include, oh, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
01:00:27.000Sure, they won't want anything in return for that investment.
01:00:29.000Roger's appeal thinks it can combat the problem of food waste with its primary product, a tasteless, odourless, edible coating made from plant materials.
01:00:39.000Hold that phrase in your mind for a moment.
01:00:40.000Appeal can keep produce like avocados or oranges from going bad for weeks longer than usual.
01:00:46.000Again, it's another bolting on to the natural world.
01:00:49.000I suppose the human project of civilization is fundamentally a denial of nature, but surely there are ways for us to evolve in harmony with nature, for us to acknowledge who we are, what our relationship with the earth and one another is, rather than continuing down this mythic path of progressivism, which seems to be continually empower one set of interests, usually at the cost of ordinary people.
01:01:10.000The product, eddy peel, they're really pleased with that pun, aren't they?
01:01:13.000...is described as a way of prolonging the freshness of produce and as an edible post-harvest coating.
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01:02:59.000A peel's plant-based protective coating is made of materials that naturally exist in the peels, seeds, and pulp of fruits and vegetables that we commonly consume.
01:03:07.000Aren't you hearing a lot, though, about how seed oils are really bad for us and they're giving us heart conditions, cancer, diabetes?
01:03:11.000I mean, haven't you heard that from like Kali Means?
01:03:14.000The safety of these compounds have been verified by regulatory authorities, including the U.S.
01:03:18.000Food and Drug Administration, and you know where they get their money, and the World Health Organization, and you know where they get their money.
01:03:24.000So it's extraordinary to see that what's offered as an unbiased regulatory body is funded, you know, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation significantly fund the WHO.
01:04:17.000Gates has already invested in lab-grown meat startup, Upside Foods, and has invested in multiple plant-based meat companies, including Impossible and Beyond Meat.
01:04:26.000Oh, thanks for the financial and dietary tips, Bill.
01:04:28.000One side of Bill comes up with the idea, the other side of Bill approves it, and the rest of us have to eat that stuff.
01:04:33.000But how will these new scientific advances even positively impact climate change?
01:04:38.000Lab-grown meat has been touted as a way to save the planet, but a new study suggests its green credentials are not as solid as many believe.
01:04:45.000Researchers have revealed that lab-grown or cultured meat produced by cultivating animal cells is up to 25 times worse for the climate than real beef.
01:04:52.000Oh well thanks, it's only 25 times worse for the climate.
01:04:56.000Production of real meat has a huge carbon footprint because it requires water, feed, and the clearing of trees to make way for cattle.
01:05:02.000Despite this, experts say the carbon footprint of lab-grown meat could be orders of magnitude higher once the industry grows.
01:05:08.000Experts think lab-grown meat is set to become more ubiquitous in the next 10 years, transforming from a niche concept to a common fridge staple.
01:05:15.000But for this to happen, production methods will have to be scaled up from mere petri dishes to massive energy-intensive industrial units.
01:05:22.000You can't make a comparison between a petri dish and an energy-intensive industrial unit.
01:05:33.000It's an entirely different proposition of that scale.
01:05:35.000And even as a vegan, who only actually doesn't eat meat because I think it's cruel, I still find it somehow distasteful, unpleasant, weird, and at odds with the direction that we're supposed to be going in, to eat meat grown in a laboratory.
01:05:48.000This is just another variation on the problem.
01:05:50.000In the study, the scientists estimated the energy required for stages of lab-grown meat's production from the ingredients making up the growth medium, and the energy required to power laboratories, and compared this with beef.
01:06:00.000They largely focused on the quantity of growth medium components, including glucose, amino acids, vitamins, growth factors, salts, and minerals.
01:06:07.000They found the global warming potential of lab-grown meat ranged from 246 to 1,508 kilograms of CO2, equivalent per kilogram of lab-grown meat, which is 4 to 25 times greater than the average global warming potential of retail beef.
01:06:20.000Again, I'm not a person who is pro-meat, and I'm saying a lot pro-industrialized meat.
01:06:25.000I am pro freedom, I am pro you making your own choices for your family and your diet, and I am aware that there is a global effort to disempower and destroy farmers.
01:06:34.000I believe because farmers are an important part of the chain of survival, i.e.
01:06:40.000they are connected to the land, they are growing food.
01:06:42.000There is no question there are challenges around agriculture.
01:06:45.000And areas where agriculture could be improved.
01:06:47.000But I don't think that the motives of these centralised globalist endeavours is to improve the ecology.
01:06:53.000I don't think it's to improve anything.
01:06:54.000I think it's to gain control and to make money.
01:07:58.000Could you approve this new lab-grown meat?
01:08:00.000Well, look, I know that that's also me, so I'm gonna say yes.
01:08:04.000In fact, this is a waste of money on this phone call, but at least it didn't damage the environment.
01:08:07.000The industry has since grown to more than 150 companies as of late 2022, backed by $2.6 billion in investment, according to the Good Food Institute.
01:08:16.000Let's see what Van Der Schieve said about this issue, and in particular Bill Gates, at the Community Festival earlier this year.
01:08:21.000When the junk food industry was trying to rewrite our laws on food safety, food and health safety, I wrote a very quick briefing paper for our parliament, and it's called Food Fascism.
01:08:35.000So when your seed is controlled by Monsanto, your trade is controlled, your chicken are controlled by Cargill, You're junk food and therefore you're creating diseases controlled by Coke, Pepsi, Nestle.
01:08:46.000All of this is a system of food fascism.
01:08:50.000And then the next step of Silicon Valley and the techno-billionaires wanting to invest in fake food, so that not only do you have one patent on a seed, now you have 14 patents on an impossible burger.
01:09:03.000On every fake food, there are hundreds of patents because every synthetic artificial element has a patent behind it.
01:09:11.000Can you imagine if the whole world to shift to fake food, how much royalty collection they'll have?
01:10:03.000Is lab-grown meat, lab-grown fruit, lab-grown fruit coating a way to help us and preserve food and save the environment?
01:10:10.000Or is it an attempt to garner patents, to control food, to control yet another aspect of our lives, to separate us from nature, to separate us from one another, to separate us even from the concept of democracy because everything is centralised and regulated in some stratosphere inaccessible to ordinary people?