Stay Free - Russel Brand - Charlie Kirk Murder Suspect Faces DEATH PENALTY, As Media Creates Love Story Narrative - SF635

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00:06:01.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:06:02.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand on Rumble.

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00:06:19.000 We're still, in a sense, I suppose, analyzing the murder of Charlie Kirk and the subsequent consequences and conversations.

00:06:31.000 In a way, it's no different than any other artifacts that takes place now in the ubiquitous ongoing public square.

00:06:41.000 An event occurs, there's possibly a genuine reaction, potentially there's our unconscious reactions to things.

00:06:49.000 Let me give you a personal example.

00:06:52.000 How can I objectively respond to the murder of Charlie Kirk without on secondary, ulterior and not even properly recognised or understood levels, thinking, will this affect me?

00:07:07.000 Is this good for me?

00:07:08.000 Is this bad for me?

00:07:10.000 While successively and simultaneously being hit by waves of, oh my God, he's like he was chill, his children were there that day.

00:07:17.000 So all of us are kind of trying to work out whether it's a good thing or a bad thing.

00:07:21.000 And I guess that's why you know obviously it's a bad thing, but like when um you hear people say dumb stuff, like I feel like Destiny said some dumb stuff, and people on the left now are scrutinizing the motivations of the assailant in order to uh I suppose legitimate maintaining their own position.

00:07:41.000 Look, here's something I do know quite a lot about addiction.

00:07:44.000 And when you're dealing with a drug addict, you get a sense of whether or not the drug addict actually wants to stop taking drugs or wants to legitimise carrying on with their addictive behavior.

00:07:56.000 And as a person that's in recovery, I have an obligation to help people get clean from drugs and alcohol.

00:08:02.000 And I've over the 22 and nearly 23 years that I've been free from drugs and alcohol learned to detect whether or not someone is serious about stopping or really they just want the problems to stop.

00:08:17.000 And what I feel that we're experiencing as a culture now are various invitations to embrace some pretty significant and serious change.

00:08:29.000 but the consequences of accepting those invitations are so radical that many people won't want them.

00:08:34.000 And that's why we live in an age of hypocrisy and contradiction.

00:08:38.000 Principles are everything.

00:08:41.000 um So I think it's possible to approach free speech from the left or from the right.

00:08:47.000 But if your position on free speech alters, that means it's probably not a principle and it never was a principle.

00:08:55.000 You were probably just using an opportunity to defend your position and pursue an objective.

00:09:00.000 And over the course of the show today, that's what we're going to be discussing.

00:09:03.000 People's unconscious motivations.

00:09:06.000 Remember that while I'm here now talking to you, I've got all of my various challenges in life.

00:09:13.000 I'm defined by my challenges as a husband and as a father.

00:09:18.000 And I know that unless my primary challenge is the maintenance of a connection with God, I'm not.

00:09:24.000 and thank the Lord that I now accept someone else's definition of what God is rather than my own.

00:09:30.000 If there's one fundamental difference between being a new age believer and a Christian, it's that I no longer provide the explanation for what belief in God looks like, for what a spiritual program of action would seem like to the outside.

00:09:46.000 Because I remember one of my really beloved friends I used to make content with at the near very near the beginning of my career, my beloved friend Matt Morgan.

00:09:54.000 He used to say, You talk all the time about communism and socialism and sharing and revolution.

00:10:02.000 But you're probably one of the most selfish people I've ever known in my life.

00:10:09.000 And I just think that guy's got a point, you know, because uh like most addicts, I'm pretty self-obsessed. 0.93

00:10:16.000 And the journey of faith for me has been about altering the monologue of my internal life, i.e., you know, it's sort of like a dialogue, you know.

00:10:26.000 You shouldn't have done that, you shouldn't have said that.

00:10:28.000 Why don't you do that?

00:10:28.000 I wonder if that's gonna happen.

00:10:29.000 It's kind of like a dialogue, but both voices are me.

00:10:32.000 But it's becoming a dialogue between me and you'll know as a Christian, Christ.

00:10:39.000 Like I feel him and hear him within me.

00:10:42.000 And my hope is that eventually it will become a monologue again and it will just be him.

00:10:48.000 He must become greater, I must become lesser, is how that is described in scripture.

00:10:53.000 With that said, let's have a look at some of the various insights and hot takes on the brutal murder of a 31-year-old man who's the product of some contrary and contradicting ideas, a traditionalist, a conservative, and a Christian who was a very much a product of modern media.

00:11:14.000 Let's look at how that's being used by the right, let's have a look at how it's being used by the left, let's have a look at our content creators are exploiting it.

00:11:21.000 Let's have a look at the impact that it's having in the political space, because in a way now, there's Charlie Kirk's death as it will appear to his widow Erica and his children, the impact of which obviously be felt over many years, and then there's the separate Charlie Kirk's death that is just an object, it's just an object, a machine.

00:11:42.000 Uh Gutierrez and Deleuze, the sort of post-structuralist French philosophers would say that it's just like a machine now.

00:11:49.000 Charlie Kirk's death can just operate in all sorts of directions.

00:11:52.000 Let's have a look at some of that.

00:11:54.000 Um, firstly, I want to look at this mainstream comedian Jimmy Kimmel.

00:11:58.000 Now, when I used to live in Los Angeles and be promoting movies and that had a very different kind of life that was focused on what I would call a paganised culture where I worship my own sexuality, I worship my own personal power and identity.

00:12:12.000 Uh Jimmy Kimmel's a person I liked.

00:12:14.000 And when I say that, I'm not even trying to be derisory about Jimmy Kimmel.

00:12:18.000 I remember thinking this person is a nice guy, like I like him.

00:12:22.000 And like, you know, to give you sort of a more contemporary iteration of that idea, I recently, yesterday in fact, spoke to Nick Fuentes for the first time.

00:12:32.000 When I was looking at and talking to Nick Fuentes, that interview will be here on Rumble tomorrow.

00:12:38.000 I was thinking, how's this guy like an anti-Semite or whatever?

00:12:42.000 He's like, seems really like a nice person.

00:12:44.000 And when I eventually asked him about Israel and Judaism, that's what I was in particular focusing on.

00:12:49.000 Who are we really?

00:12:51.000 Uh is anyone, if you drill down, do you this is probably a pretty fundamental thing that I had with I had this conversation with Brene Brown a long time ago when I was doing that kind of content and I was in that kind of world.

00:13:00.000 She's a very brilliant person, Brene Brown.

00:13:02.000 And we talked about, do you, and this is a question I would ask of you, let me know in the comments and chat.

00:13:07.000 Do you believe people are trying their best?

00:13:09.000 And do you believe that people are fundamentally good or not?

00:13:13.000 What do you think?

00:13:14.000 And Brene Brown said that when she was a social worker, she said that sometimes she would go and visit houses of people and they were neglecting their kids, and she was like, No, these people can't be doing their best.

00:13:23.000 They're making too much of a mess of it.

00:13:25.000 And but over time she came to accept that they probably are.

00:13:29.000 Emmett Fox, the brilliant Christian analyst, uh cites a potentially apocryphal tale about a Quaker who, when encountering a newcomer to his town, gets this question.

00:13:43.000 Hey, I don't know what you call a Quaker.

00:13:46.000 Mate is what I'd call him.

00:13:47.000 Oi, mate, what are people like in this town where we live in?

00:13:50.000 And the Quaker goes, Well, what would a people like in the town you just come from? 0.81

00:13:54.000 I mean, they are horrible mean people.

00:13:55.000 He goes, You'll probably find the people around here like that as well.

00:13:58.000 And then moments later, another person approaches the Quake.

00:14:01.000 Goes, I heard what you said, but I really like the people round here.

00:14:04.000 I think they're really cool and everything.

00:14:05.000 And he goes, Well, what did you think of the people in the town you just came from?

00:14:07.000 He goes, I like them as well.

00:14:08.000 He goes, Yeah, you will find it so wherever you go.

00:14:10.000 Because perhaps on some level, the external reality that we experience is an expression of something within us.

00:14:16.000 The kingdom of heaven is within.

00:14:19.000 Seek thee first the kingdom of heaven, and all righteousness will be granted unto you.

00:14:23.000 If I can put myself in alignment with core spiritual values inwardly, then my relationships, even with people I disagree with, or people that may wish me harm, will become lessons and opportunities.

00:14:37.000 If I'm not able to do that, I'm gonna be in a pretty hideous fight that won't really lead to anything of value.

00:14:44.000 That said, let's have a look at Jimmy Kimmel, and let's in good faith, see where he's going with his I guess it's commentary on uh Charlie Kirk's murder.

00:14:51.000 Let's have a look.

00:14:52.000 I'm not saying that you couldn't do comedy.

00:14:53.000 I the other day went to Washington, DC to participate in a Maha event.

00:14:58.000 Uh, I'm a big supporter of uh Secretary Kennedy and of Dr. Oz and people that I believe, this is why I believe, and I pray this is the case, that they have identified that you are not going to make America healthy unless you take on the interests of big agriculture, big food, and big pharma, and the lobbying and donor interests that ensure that policy in these areas can never significantly change, whether you vote for Donald Trump, Adolf Hitler, Karl Marx, or Princess Diana.

00:15:25.000 As long as those institutions remain in place, then you'll get the same kind of policy around agriculture, food, pharma.

00:15:32.000 Uh well, certainly you'll have significant resistance if you're trying to change it, as I believe Secretary Kennedy is.

00:15:37.000 In fact, I see that he is, you see that he is too, right?

00:15:40.000 So uh when I was there, I was doing like a little talk at a convention, and just as I started talking, someone like walked right behind me.

00:15:47.000 Uh someone I knew, like someone who works with Secretary Kennedy, and I goes, it's a bit of a sensitive time uh for people speaking in public.

00:15:54.000 Yeah, just walk right behind me in my peripheral vision, like in the immediate aftermath of Charlie Kirk's death.

00:15:59.000 So it's not a joke, it's a reference to it.

00:16:02.000 If I could tell you that the room were not like, oh how do we feel about this?

00:16:07.000 None of us really know how to feel.

00:16:09.000 But as the brilliant uh Irish poet WB Yates said, the like what is it, the best of lost all conviction and the worst are full of dreadful certainty.

00:16:22.000 The opposite of uh the opposite of faith is not certain the opposite of faith is not certainty.

00:16:27.000 That's what I heard.

00:16:29.000 Let's let's get let's have a look at this.

00:16:30.000 Let's have a look at this W. B. Yates poem, see if this is of any use to you.

00:16:36.000 Um the second coming.

00:16:38.000 This is called the second coming by W. B. Yates.

00:16:41.000 Brilliant Irish poet.

00:16:44.000 Turning and turning in the widening gyre, the falcon cannot hear the falconer.

00:16:50.000 Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold.

00:16:54.000 Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.

00:16:57.000 The blood dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere the ceremony of innocence is drowned.

00:17:05.000 The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

00:17:12.000 Surely some revelation is at hand.

00:17:15.000 Surely the second coming is at hand.

00:17:19.000 The second coming.

00:17:21.000 Hardly are those words out when a vast image out of spiritus mundi troubles my sight.

00:17:28.000 Somewhere in sands of the desert, a shape with lion body and the head of a man, a gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, is moving its slow thighs, while all about it real shadows of the indignant desert birds.

00:17:46.000 The darkness drops again, but now I know that twenty centuries of stony sleep were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.

00:17:57.000 And what rough beast, its Hour come round at last slouches towards Bethlehem to be born.

00:18:09.000 I like um pitiless and blank as the sun, pagan godlessness, just bright might and white light without Christ, without love, without sacrifice, pitiless, the desert birds. 0.93

00:18:27.000 That the antichrist may occur if we don't make a manger and a cradle in the low place.

00:18:34.000 If we're unable to welcome in the low place, the place among the beasts, the stable.

00:18:41.000 If we don't make a place there for the return of Christ, something else is coming.

00:18:47.000 Let me know in the comments and chat who you think's coming down the pike, baby, because I can feel it pretty strongly. 0.99

00:18:53.000 So let's look at this Charlie Kirk thing, man.

00:18:56.000 Not Charlie Kirk, um, Jimmy Kimmel.

00:18:58.000 We had some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it.

00:19:10.000 In between the finger pointing, there was uh grieving on Friday, the White House flew the flags at half staff, which got some criticism, but on a human level, you can see how hard the president is taking this.

00:19:24.000 May I ask, sir personally, how are you holding up over the last day and a half, sir?

00:19:28.000 I think very good, and by the way, right there, you see all the trucks.

00:19:32.000 They just started construction of the new borrow for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years, and it's gonna be a beauty.

00:19:42.000 Yes.

00:19:43.000 He's at the fourth stage of grief, construction.

00:19:48.000 Demolition, construction.

00:19:52.000 This is not how an adult grieves the murder of somebody called a friend.

00:19:56.000 This is how a four-year-old mourns a goldfish, okay.

00:19:59.000 So in a way, if you look at that, you know what uh Jimmy Kimmel's perspective is on the right, which we knew anyway.

00:20:09.000 We come to Jimmy Kimmel knowing that he is understandably an advocate for what we would call the modern iteration of the Democrat Party.

00:20:19.000 This is a Democrat Party that's not about the rights of working people.

00:20:22.000 This is a Democrat Party that doesn't care about taking on corporations.

00:20:25.000 This is a Democrat Party that's not interested in marshaling Americans towards freedom against the interests of global corporations.

00:20:33.000 It's not a Democrat Party that wants people to find divinity, it's a Democrat Party that altered its trajectory and its legislature in order that it could form comfortable relationships with big business.

00:20:46.000 Think for a moment about the moment, uh, the instance where Bernie Sanders was in that Senate hit financial hearing with Senator Robert Kenneth, excuse me, Secretary Robert Kennedy, and Kennedy said you lot are taking money, like um who's the lady poker honest, Elizabeth Warren.

00:21:04.000 You've taken money, you've taken money off uh you've taken money off big pharma.

00:21:09.000 We're all taking money off Big Pharma, we're all taking money.

00:21:12.000 That's what we do.

00:21:12.000 We take money from big pharma.

00:21:14.000 So they're not even pretending anymore.

00:21:17.000 So what I suppose with uh the uh any news are calls an opportunity to do this, even when it's frivolous, trivial things, is an opportunity to look at what are the what are we actually saying, what are we actually discussing here?

00:21:31.000 We're discussing now at this point.

00:21:33.000 This is it.

00:21:34.000 I'll tell you if you want to know.

00:21:36.000 It's this.

00:21:37.000 Centralized institutions of propaganda cannot control information anymore.

00:21:43.000 That doesn't mean all of the information that you get outside of centralized institutions of propaganda is reliable, it just means it's not sanctioned.

00:21:50.000 So you might have people on the left saying a lot of stuff that's not sanctioned, and people on the right saying a lot of stuff that's not sanctioned.

00:21:58.000 Malcolm McLuhan, the famous uh I guess you'd call him a philosopher and cultural analyst said the medium is the message.

00:22:07.000 He said that uh at a time that the prevalent forms of media were print and television, centralized media organizations that were controlled by a handful of individuals like your TV networks and print media now and mine in my country, whether it's Rupert Murdoch, who owns the Times or whoever you can have a look at a list of who owns ultimately owns and Controls, um, MSNBC or whatever they're rebranding it as now.

00:22:34.000 You'll find it's just a handful of individuals and that they're partnered with various corporations commercially, and that they're o parts of or they're part of larger conglomerates.

00:22:43.000 So the medium is the message means if it's on TV, the message is going to be about centralized control.

00:22:50.000 We need to control whole populations. 0.65

00:22:53.000 We need to make them buy certain food, we need some them to vote for certain political parties, we need them to ignore certain problems and pay attention to other matters.

00:23:02.000 That's the message, and that's the medium.

00:23:05.000 Now, the medium is the message means, oh no, by giving everybody a device, which means they can intercommunicate and we can potentially control them once we master AI surveillance and censorship, during the brief window before they crack that.

00:23:20.000 There is the possibility for us to intercommunicate. 0.99

00:23:22.000 But because and there's no nice way of saying this, we're fucking dumb. 0.99

00:23:27.000 We're arguing with one another about stupid stuff instead of recognising we could bypass the centralized systems of control. 1.00

00:23:35.000 And until we realise that and act upon it, we may as well not have these because you're spending all your time masturbating, either physically or mentally instead of awakening. 0.99

00:23:47.000 Well, that's just what I think. 0.75

00:23:48.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.

00:23:52.000 We've got plenty of content for you today.

00:23:55.000 Uh let me know how you're feeling, guys.

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00:24:08.000 Let's have a look at what um Don Lemon says.

00:24:10.000 Uh he says here.

00:24:11.000 Now look, I can tell from the title of these clips.

00:24:14.000 Don Lemon claims MAGA doesn't really care about Charlie Kirk, just clicks.

00:24:17.000 Well, how who do you think Don Lemon is really talking to when he says that?

00:24:22.000 He's talking to Don Lemon.

00:24:24.000 Don Lemon doesn't really care about Charlie Kirk.

00:24:28.000 He cares about clicks.

00:24:29.000 That's all.

00:24:29.000 And guess what?

00:24:30.000 Russell Brand wouldn't care about Charlie Kirk.

00:24:32.000 Unless for Christ, without Christ, all I'll care about is well, I've seen me.

00:24:37.000 I saw me before Christ.

00:24:38.000 I saw what I was doing.

00:24:39.000 All I wanted to do was in a sort of a groping and empty, hollow, shallow abyss, looking for the formation and shadow of the cross.

00:24:48.000 And let me tell you, without clear connection to him, it will take extraordinary forms out there.

00:24:55.000 Mostly the false high poles and idols.

00:24:58.000 You will find it in pagan goddesses, which, you know, in a and gods, uh, is just really an expression of you might say lower, even though you know it's not necessarily lower forms of energy.

00:25:11.000 Sex and drugs and rock and roll.

00:25:12.000 Let's have a look at Don Lemon, literally accusing of other people of what he's probably, I'm guessing because I've not seen the clip yet, doing himself. 0.78

00:25:20.000 The thing that is so obvious about it, and I think this is so disgusting, is that you don't really care.

00:25:29.000 You don't really care about Charlie Kirk.

00:25:31.000 What you care is that this is a moment that you can use to for clicks to boost your podcast or your streaming show or your radio show or your television show or your news show or your reckoning it goes for his mind in that moment.

00:25:51.000 Oh no, am I doing that?

00:25:52.000 Am I doing that?

00:25:53.000 Your um um MAGA bona fides with the MAGA group or your political stripes that you can improve it, or you can have a moment where you're crying in front of the cameras, you gather all the reporters at the at the Capitol, and you go, and it's your fault, and it's your fault, and it's the left, and whatever.

00:26:11.000 It's insane.

00:26:11.000 Listen, we're gonna talk about the news coverage of um uh Tyler Robinson is the name of the murderer.

00:26:18.000 W we're gonna look at some of the coverage, because I feel like some people are almost trying to romanticize him.

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00:28:31.000 Now listen, you lot.

00:28:32.000 Tell me, um, what do you want us to talk about?

00:28:35.000 It was so much.

00:28:36.000 We can talk about uh the you might call it uh legacy media framing the murderer of Charlie Kirk in the sort of most favorable and romantic terms.

00:28:46.000 That does seem pretty interesting.

00:28:47.000 We've got a lot of stuff on Epstein and the UK and free speech and how like people are flipping sides over free speech again.

00:28:56.000 I I know that I'm gonna definitely do that free speech stuff.

00:28:58.000 Um so but will you lot tell me in the chat, like you lot on locals, what do you talk about most of all?

00:29:02.000 See no free says, let's talk about me.

00:29:05.000 Well, I have done that, but there's not so much I can say about you, to be honest, is there?

00:29:09.000 Remember, we got Nick Fuentes coming on the show um tomorrow.

00:29:13.000 I've taped it already.

00:29:14.000 And it's pretty good.

00:29:16.000 I think it was what's good about it is it's a conversation.

00:29:20.000 Like, can you imagine these days being able to talk to people that have like opposing views on a variety of subjects and it not go insane?

00:29:29.000 Like I watch uh Piers Morgan clips, and you know because anyone watch the whole show, God can who could watch a whole show of anything these days?

00:29:35.000 Wouldn't he probably kill you?

00:29:36.000 But like I watch it sometimes, it seems like it's designed around generating conflict. 0.90

00:29:41.000 Well, I don't think that's gonna help.

00:29:43.000 I don't think that's gonna help either.

00:29:44.000 So tell me you guys what you want.

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00:29:52.000 Um, I'm gonna tell you, as best as I can, why there is this extra uh sort of sentimental reporting about Tyler Robinson, who I think um where's the most recent stuff that we had in the WhatsApp, like you know, that I asked uh put in that's about like the suicide stuff and all of that.

00:30:08.000 Um just uh tell me what number it's on after I get into this.

00:30:12.000 Okay, um Tyler Robinson confesses shooting uh in messages to my lovers.

00:30:16.000 Have a look at that.

00:30:17.000 Oh sorry, there's just a load of text messages that I'm never gonna be able to, you know.

00:30:22.000 Okay, so that's his text messages.

00:30:24.000 There's let's have a look at uh ABC uh ABC talking about the in somewhat sentimental terms, I understand the murder.

00:30:31.000 We have seen uh an alleged murder with such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it, but also it was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn't expect.

00:30:46.000 That's a weird thing to highlight.

00:30:50.000 A very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate uh and the suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning, uh calling him my love, and I want to protect you, my love.

00:31:04.000 Um so it was this duality of someone who the attorney said not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case.

00:31:14.000 And on the other hand, he was you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner.

00:31:18.000 So a very interesting and as Pierre said, riveting press conference, David.

00:31:22.000 It was tough.

00:31:23.000 Let's have a look at this, Montero William.

00:31:25.000 There are people who are trying to pigeonhole this as a leftist thing and a right thing, and what we're really talking About hear me because I'm gonna throw you when I say this.

00:31:33.000 We're talking about a love-torn child, a kid.

00:31:37.000 This is probably his first real relationship, and somebody was disparaging the person that he loved.

00:31:43.000 He sat on that building for 30 minutes before he took the shot.

00:31:47.000 Why do you wait until the first word trans came up?

00:31:50.000 Then he took the shot.

00:31:51.000 You think he heard it?

00:31:52.000 You could he could hear the thing.

00:31:53.000 I think he could hear it.

00:31:55.000 Oh my god, he can't hear from up there off on a roof doing that sniping.

00:31:58.000 It's interesting that you I suppose, in a way, what we should be doing is the opposite of what's happening.

00:32:03.000 Be compassionate towards the people we we disagree with and not fetishise what we already m believe.

00:32:12.000 He could hear it.

00:32:13.000 I think he also I don't believe he was motivated politically.

00:32:17.000 I think this was motivated emotionally.

00:32:19.000 I think that's interesting because in a way those taxonomies, the categories of emotional and political and religious, they can all be dissected and disintegrated if you have a good enough analytic and a clear enough objective.

00:32:34.000 For example, if you think right now, there'll be some people who are really really furious, and probably if they had the time and the ability to reflect on what they were feeling, you would locate various islands of grief and pain in your own life that had been lit up in the circuitry of your consciousness and your spiritual life by this event, like it like how a light switch works.

00:32:57.000 You press the button, the circuit is completed, the light lights up.

00:33:01.000 So when a button is pushed in you, like if you've imagine this.

00:33:07.000 Imagine that you're so certain that like a saint, if you're a saint, you're Saint Francis, you're St. Paul, you're one of the many great saints, and someone dies, you may f feel compassion, even sympathy for the people that have died, but you are certain that God is real, that the sensory reality that we occupy temporarily is secondary to the great spiritual life.

00:33:35.000 Now, I don't know Charlie Kirk well.

00:33:38.000 I interviewed him, he interviewed me.

00:33:41.000 I spoke to him a few times, and I was sort of fascinated by him, is what I would say.

00:33:48.000 What I sense though is that Charlie Kirk does have a deep and abiding faith in Christ and would be willing to die for what he believes in.

00:34:01.000 His emphasis and psychic his emphasis on the political aspects of conservatism and the deployment of Christian principles in political in a political context is an area where I would disagree with him.

00:34:17.000 But what I agree with, agreed with him on strongly, and would agree with anyone on, is that the spiritual life is real and what we're living in is an expression of God.

00:34:29.000 And if you don't return to God regularly, you'll make God out of sort of temporary passing stuff, like dear old Montel Montel Williams there.

00:34:38.000 Let's have a look at uh another story for a minute now.

00:34:41.000 Over in the UK, things are falling apart.

00:34:45.000 Although there's a lot of optimism and hope, primarily coming out of nationalism and right wing patriotism and the protest that's center on the flag, which sort of seem to have as their central motif and explicitly have anti-migration sentiments.

00:35:02.000 We sent our beloved reporter, my friend Joe McCann, to uh we didn't send him anyway, he was already in the UK, we just give him a camera uh and said we film this stuff.

00:35:11.000 And what I was struck by when watching that content was that there were among the patriotic protesters that day, there was quite a lot of goodwill and good feeling, and something that I've always hoped for, whether I had been using the language and the colours of the left or right, a sense that you're really representing the will of the people, the will of the people, the will of the people under God.

00:35:32.000 Because the will of the people could become a very desperate and appalling thing, actually, if misguided and misdirected.

00:35:39.000 So which generally it is.

00:35:42.000 The thing that's exciting about it, for me at least, is that the UK, with your approaching it from a left-wing perspective or a right wing perspective, is falling apart.

00:35:49.000 Everyone is um in absolute alignment when it comes to their perspective on Keir Starmer, the number of people that have got uh delightful chants and songs that center on Keystama being a uh wanker is uh a near miracle and certainly a joy to behold.

00:36:03.000 But at the heart of the British establishment now are serious, serious problems.

00:36:07.000 Keir Starmer was the uh head of the Crown Prosecution Service and had press as I understand a pretty close relationship with MI5.

00:36:15.000 The person that was being proposed as Britain's ambassador to your country, America, Peter Mandelson, he's been a uh acolyte around power for a long, long time.

00:36:24.000 He was there with Tony Blair, he was advocating for war, he was helping to sex up dossiers, he was helping to ensure that Iraq could be invaded and that people believed they were weapons of mass destruction.

00:36:33.000 He's been sacked on numerous occasions, usually in some way connected to dishonesty. 0.77

00:36:38.000 So the idea that Keir Starmer wouldn't know that Peter Mandelson had a close friendship to drumroll, please, Jeffrey Epstein is ridiculous, outrageous, impossible.

00:36:48.000 And yet that's what Keir Starmer has claimed.

00:36:51.000 Is it possible that Keir Starmer with his deep establishment ties, he's the Prime Minister, and before that he's the head of the CPS, and before that he was the leader of the opposition, getting well involved in ensuring that the MI5 could facilitate the removal of the previous leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, a kind of old school leftist and the establishment leftist, such a thing still exists, you know.

00:37:12.000 Is it possible that he wouldn't know about Peter Mandelson's connection to Epstein?

00:37:15.000 So Epstein, whether you're in your country, the United States, or in mine, the United Kingdom, continues to be a kind of scab that, if picked at, reveals the pus and disease within the body politic.

00:37:30.000 Because surely the challenge is this.

00:37:32.000 It ain't confined to any individual nation.

00:37:35.000 That was always the problem.

00:37:36.000 There's a kind of global imperialism masked by nation that's able to maneuver regardless of who's in government.

00:37:42.000 That's what we were discussing before people started to get all distracted by you know their own side winning.

00:37:47.000 So this uh let's have a look at Keir Starmer saying he didn't know that Peter Mandelson was friends with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:37:54.000 Then we will look at various other people pretending it's impossible for them to know.

00:37:59.000 Uh and uh let's have a look here.

00:38:01.000 This is from a legacy media newspaper um from the Times, apparently, again, owned by one media baron, again aligned with the same sort of global corporatist interest that we spend a lot of our time talking about.

00:38:12.000 Keir Starmer offered Lord Mandelson his full backing in the commons despite knowing the foreign office was investigating a leaked cachet of emails between him and convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

00:38:24.000 Starmer does not appear to have asked for details of the emails or the investigation before defending the former ambassador to the hilt at Prime Minister's question time.

00:38:33.000 That's like, you know, when you see Trump there getting questions, even though Mandelson publicly warned hours earlier that very embarrassing messages are about ha ha ha ha, they're embarrassing.

00:38:42.000 He's chatting with a paedophile.

00:38:44.000 Starmer knew I'm a bit embarrassed, I've been chatting to a pedophile for ages, and well yeah, that is embarrassing. 0.74

00:38:48.000 I mean, I suppose a pedophile is still a child of God and you know, worthy of forgiveness.

00:38:52.000 But what you've got to point out is that dear old Peter Manner, all of these people in the upper echelons of power, look at what's going on with them.

00:39:00.000 Why are they all so friendly with Pedophile?

00:39:02.000 What's going on?

00:39:04.000 What is this?

00:39:05.000 Is it just a coincidence?

00:39:06.000 Is it like, you know, like if you went to one geographical neighborhood, you'd expect everyone to support a particular football or baseball team? 0.79

00:39:13.000 Because it seems like these lot can't get enough pedophilia.

00:39:16.000 Starman knew about the foreign office investigation.

00:39:19.000 He knew that Mandelson said the emails were about to come out, yet for whatever whatever reason he decided not to ask further questions and went out to defend Mandelson.

00:39:26.000 That almost makes me like Keir Starmer more because he didn't go.

00:39:30.000 Listen, you're looks like you might be somehow affiliated with sexual malpractice and paedophilia.

00:39:36.000 I've got a distance myself from you a little bit.

00:39:38.000 I've got a country to run.

00:39:39.000 But he didn't do that.

00:39:40.000 Why would that be?

00:39:41.000 Let's have a look at Keir Starmer defending those allegations and ver the or you know, defending that decision, because there are no allegations against Peter Mandelson.

00:39:48.000 It's just he the punishment is he can't be ambassador to the United States of America.

00:39:52.000 Let's get into this story because it's connected to Epstein, it's connected to global power, it's connected to deception.

00:39:58.000 It's important to appreciate what happened when and I understand that.

00:40:01.000 Obviously, the post, the diplomatic post of American Buster, really important post.

00:40:07.000 And Peter Mandelson, before he was appointed, went through a due diligence process.

00:40:12.000 That's the propriety and ethics team went through a process.

00:40:16.000 And therefore, I knew of his association with Epstein.

00:40:21.000 Um but had I known then, what I know now, I'd have never appointed him.

00:40:28.000 I known then what I'd known now.

00:40:30.000 I'd never appoint a pal of a pedophile.

00:40:33.000 I just thought he was pals with the pedophile, but not in a deeply entrenched way.

00:40:38.000 You can hang out with pedophiles, you know, and not get dragged into their pedophilia.

00:40:43.000 You could just be chatting about other stuff like uh weather or sports memorabilia. 1.00

00:40:48.000 Just because someone's friends with a pedophile, don't go around judging that poor old fucker. 1.00

00:40:54.000 He may be that he was just hanging out sharing candy and you know, maybe a sucker. 0.99

00:40:59.000 There's no reason that to think that necessarily that these people that keep getting arrested for paedophilia are involved in I don't know, deep-seated satanic adrenochrome sipping occultist power.

00:41:11.000 They might have only been watching pedophilia videos on the internet for I don't know, something like half an hour.

00:41:16.000 Why would we condemn these poor souls?

00:41:18.000 Back to you, Kid.

00:41:19.000 Never appointed him.

00:41:20.000 Because what emerged last week.

00:41:23.000 We're leaving YouTube now.

00:41:24.000 Click the link in the description, come watch some rumble, baby.

00:41:27.000 Because what emerged last week were emails, Bloomberg emails, which showed that the nature and extent of the relationship that Peter Mandelson had with Epstein was far different to what I had understood to be the position when I appointed him.

00:41:44.000 On top of that, what the email showed was he was not only questioning, but wanting to challenge the conviction of Epstein at the time.

00:41:57.000 That for me went and cut across the whole approach that I've taken on violence against women and girls for many years and this government's approach.

00:42:06.000 On top of that, what emerged last week on Wednesday evening late, uh, were Peter Mandelson's responses to questions that have been put to him by government officials.

00:42:20.000 I looked at those responses, and I did not find them at all satisfying.

00:42:26.000 And therefore, on the basis of those three things, the nature and extent of the relationship being far different to what I'd understood to be the position at the point of appointment.

00:42:35.000 The questioning and challenging of the conviction, which as I say goes to the heart and case.

00:42:40.000 Well it really is is what have I got to say to keep my job.

00:42:43.000 That's all that is, isn't it?

00:42:44.000 Like I've what assemblage of language have I got a cough up in order to obfuscate the plain truth that I am just another political leader that is governing on behalf of deeper interests, and those interests transcend political parties, they transcend eras, they are deep.

00:43:06.000 I don't understand them, you don't understand them, no one really understands them.

00:43:10.000 But this is the important thing to understand is we don't need to continue like this anymore.

00:43:15.000 This is what we're uh living through an attempt to maintain power that's not legitimate anymore.

00:43:21.000 There's no reason for you to send off a person to Congress or the Senate or Parliament or wherever to represent your opinions, your party, your politics or your view.

00:43:31.000 You could, using the technology through which you now order mini-cabs, taxis, or get yourself a hotel room or a sandwich delivered, you could using that quite successfully run a small community.

00:43:44.000 It wouldn't be perfect, but remember we're not we're not competing with perfection, we're competing with deep and appalling levels of corruption.

00:43:53.000 So I reckon if I can be somewhat instructive, so this isn't just talking.

00:43:58.000 You have to.

00:44:00.000 Prioritize your spiritual life, surrender to Christ, if the you know they might not be your jam, but mm it would work for you.

00:44:07.000 That's one.

00:44:08.000 Secondly, don't operate primarily on ha the level of hatred.

00:44:13.000 Don't fall into that trap.

00:44:14.000 It doesn't it's not like you can hate the right person or hate the right group if it's hate, it's not good.

00:44:20.000 Uh, and then stay very, very focused on where your beliefs aid the interests of centralized powers, whether they are media, government or commercial.

00:44:32.000 Hey, me believing that I should eat this food, and half helps craft.

00:44:35.000 Hey, me believing that I should take this medicine, and half helps Pfizer, me believing that this is true, and half helps the legacy media, Republican Party, Democrat Party, whatever.

00:44:45.000 If your beliefs are useful to any of those interests, you're you know, you're probably wrong.

00:44:50.000 Um hey, this is pretty good from uh Ashella on the locals chat.

00:44:54.000 She's posted um someone projected onto Windsor Castle, like various people meeting with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:45:00.000 that's that's good.

00:45:01.000 I like it when people do stuff like that, project things, you know, and um generally projections, not a good thing, it means that you're you're not able to incorporate a deep truth.

00:45:09.000 But when it's a literal projection like that, that's quite a light show.

00:45:12.000 That's quite spectral.

00:45:13.000 Let's have a look at another person in British politics.

00:45:16.000 You won't care about this dude.

00:45:17.000 He's called Ed Millerband, but for a minute he was going to be a leader, and he may yet be, because you know, people can step up when they're pretty old.

00:45:22.000 Let's have a quick look at um let's have a quick quick look at Ed Millerband saying uh justifying again this appointment of Peter Mandelson.

00:45:31.000 The reason it's interesting, what it is is Peter Mandelson's been in and around power for a long time.

00:45:35.000 He's a true internationalist.

00:45:36.000 He's connected to Tony Blair and power that's transcendent of national boundaries.

00:45:41.000 When people are having them protests in London, as they did last weekend, explicitly their problem that their dec the declared problem is migration.

00:45:49.000 They're concerned about migration and the impact of migration, and these are all fair and legitimate concerns. 0.97

00:45:53.000 But what facilitates and causes those problems to be perpetuated and causes them to continue.

00:45:58.000 You know the answer to that, don't you?

00:45:59.000 That's globalist bureaucracies and deep state power.

00:46:01.000 And one of the representatives of those of those sets of power is Peter Mandelson.

00:46:05.000 What most of us used to believe prior to the you know, let's say the confusion that's emerged with in the Trump administration is that Epstein was the centre of a kind of uh blackmail ring where powerful people were granted access to sexual opportunity, which meant they were compromised for the rest of their lives because you know,

00:46:23.000 when they were like sort of as Manderson was about to be ambassador to the US, and I'm not suggesting certainly uh it would be libelous to suggest that Peter Manderson was somehow affiliated with Epstein in a way that was compromising, but he certainly was friends with the convicted paedophile.

00:46:38.000 Um but that compromise could be leveraged against them.

00:46:42.000 And you know, people again, like with all things, if you're a person that sort of tends towards the right, you'll be like, I bet Bill Clinton's one of them, and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and Michelle Obama, and if you're from the other side, you'll be like Trump, man, he's probably connected to Epstein.

00:46:58.000 But the important thing is not the names, they they're interchangeable, as I've just demonstrated, is the concept that people in positions of power are compromised and don't have therefore real power, whether that's because of sexual blackmail or lobbying or other forms of systemic and bureaucra bureaucratic control, that's far less interesting.

00:47:16.000 Let's have a look at this dude, um Ed Miliband.

00:47:18.000 I know Keir is a man of great decency and integrity, and I and that's absolutely right.

00:47:23.000 He wouldn't have he would actually I've got mixed up about Ed Miliband and Dave David Middleband, because there's two of them that are brothers, they're part of this kind of like Fabian version of British socialism, which is I suppose what I want to say, it's kind of like an affinity and an affiliation.

00:47:37.000 That uh their image, their logos is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

00:47:42.000 That's the logos of the Fabian Society.

00:47:44.000 Maybe they've changed it, it used to be that.

00:47:46.000 Now, I interviewed him when he was running for Prime Minister, online media was in early ascendancy.

00:47:52.000 I think people like Mark Moron had just interviewed Barack Obama.

00:47:57.000 So people were like, oh man, I should do interviews on YouTube with the equivalent of who's a British podcaster, Russell Brand.

00:48:04.000 So this dude, while he was running to be prime minister, came round my house and did have a look at it on the internet.

00:48:09.000 It's amazing.

00:48:10.000 Came round my house and did an interview with me as part of his campaign.

00:48:12.000 Now he did like I I it was a massive mistake that I made there because I'd very much run our channels on the message of you can't trust any politicians, they're all the same, they're all controlled by the same interests, there's no point voting.

00:48:26.000 And this when I said there's no point voting, it was like I touched something you're not meant to touch, and it caused a lot of ire and attacks and the establishment went at work.

00:48:34.000 It was the first time I was attacked.

00:48:36.000 First or second time I was attacked by the establishment and they attempted to destroy me.

00:48:40.000 So like whenever they attempt to destroy you, obviously, you know, as they say, you're over the target.

00:48:44.000 When I was doing it that time, it was him, this dude, who came around my house for an interview.

00:48:48.000 He subsequently reached out to me and gone to go, I think that did you do more harm than it did even me, because he didn't get elected.

00:48:53.000 The Conservative Party, our version of the Republican, as it were.

00:48:56.000 They won.

00:48:57.000 He disappeared for a minute into political obscurity only to get a job down the line in Keir Starmer's government.

00:49:03.000 That's where he is now.

00:49:04.000 So that's my personal connection to this dude who I can also I can sort of tell you somewhat confidently that like Istama, like Peter Manderson, like Tony Blair, like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, you know, you're true, though, but Macron.

00:49:17.000 The part of that, the angle is we're of the left, we're compassionate political figures.

00:49:22.000 If you're sort of a person who doesn't like, you know, the Iraq war and uh right-wing conservative people and like uh the militarisation And geopolitics and racism and all of that, vote for us.

00:49:34.000 He's part of that strand milieu of political power, which we now know is controlled by the same interest that controls both sides.

00:49:41.000 Right.

00:49:42.000 He wouldn't have he wouldn't have appointed him.

00:49:43.000 Because he didn't know these things.

00:49:45.000 He was dealing with a unique set of circumstances around President Trump.

00:49:48.000 And that's why he made the decision.

00:49:50.000 The problem with this is that everybody knew that there was a relationship with Epstein in the past.

00:49:55.000 Didn't know the details of it, hadn't seen those last lethal emails and texts, I grant you.

00:49:59.000 But everybody knew that's Andrew Ma, who famously said to Noam Chomsky when interviewing Noam Chomsky about the manufacture of consent, the book that described and explained how mass media are able to direct populations to vote for a particular political party.

00:50:15.000 He said, Andrew Ma famously, listen, I work for the BBC, I'm a journalist, I've not been told by my bosses or overlords what to say, and Noam Chomsky said, no, you misunderstand me.

00:50:26.000 What I'm saying is is if you didn't agree with their interests and you weren't in alignment with their agenda, you wouldn't be sitting in that chair.

00:50:33.000 You've already been groomed and schooled.

00:50:35.000 So remember the people asking the questions, they've been institutionally groomed through their sort of Ivy League in your case, or Oxbridge schools.

00:50:43.000 They've been to very they've had got various interests, affiliations, even familial and social uh affinities and affiliations that prevent them from being of any use to you or I or God.

00:50:53.000 I'm not suggesting that Andrew Mars is not a nice person.

00:50:56.000 I'm saying that that's a really pivotal moment if for those of you that are interested in transpartisan revolutionary thought for the kingdom.

00:51:06.000 How is it we get past the turgidness of this moment now, the literal moment we're in?

00:51:11.000 Where if you're sort of like a MAGA populist or if you're a sort of left-wing anti-establishment person, you're thinking, hold on a minute, how do we get anywhere?

00:51:18.000 How do we do anything?

00:51:20.000 Well, it's by confronting these sets of powers and being willing to operate outside of it.

00:51:24.000 You might not be interested in that stuff because you might like enjoy the tribalism.

00:51:28.000 People like the tribalism.

00:51:29.000 It's like it's a sport, just munch popcorn and go see my side of winning.

00:51:32.000 Your side's bad, they shot Charlie Kirk.

00:51:35.000 Well, your side's bad, they're trying to exploit the death of Charlie Kirk. 0.98

00:51:37.000 Yeah, well, your side's bad, they're racist.

00:51:39.000 Well, your side's bad, they don't care about children in school getting hormones injected and changing the agenda.

00:51:43.000 Well, your side's bad, you don't know what people feel like, you know, just goes on and on and on.

00:51:46.000 When we could go, all right, it seems like there's different ways of being human.

00:51:49.000 We've always known that.

00:51:50.000 The see if we can come up with some universal principles, then leave people alone to run their own communities, decentralized radically wherever possible, have that as a motive.

00:51:59.000 Watch how people respond when you start talking about stuff like that.

00:52:02.000 What they might do is uh accuse you of something.

00:52:05.000 But everybody knew about that.

00:52:06.000 Wasn't that therefore taking a huge risk in appointing him in the first place, given what we've what's happened.

00:52:12.000 I made this point very gently, Andrew.

00:52:14.000 When Peter Mandelson was appointed, I didn't hear much of a human cry from the media about Peter Mandelson's link.

00:52:20.000 That's weird.

00:52:21.000 Almost like the media are part of it as well.

00:52:24.000 Like the what you think the media are the people that are going to go to bat for the people.

00:52:28.000 Think how far away we've come, even from the meaning of these terms.

00:52:33.000 In his brilliant book, Forbidden Facts, Garin de Gavin DeBecker points out that e uh the word autism is deliberately diffuse, amorphous, and unclear.

00:52:43.000 Do you know why that is?

00:52:44.000 So you can't diagnose it correctly.

00:52:46.000 Do you know why that is?

00:52:47.000 Because then you might be able to go, what's causing autism?

00:52:50.000 Do you know why that is?

00:52:50.000 Because you might go, hey, I noticed there's a lot more autism since people get vaccinated as a kid.

00:52:56.000 Huh.

00:52:57.000 But in order to stop that, you have to break down everything.

00:53:00.000 Who benefits from confusion?

00:53:01.000 Who benefits from all of this?

00:53:03.000 Peter Mandelson's links with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:53:06.000 I mean, the the you know, these were uh a matter of public record.

00:53:10.000 He'd expressed regret about them, but but there weren't lots of people in the media saying you can't possibly appoint this man.

00:53:15.000 So that's why what Kears said today is is is clear, which is he said he had no idea about the extent and depth of the relationship, nor that Peter Mandelson was after the conviction, saying you should push for early release and all of those terrible things that came out in these emails.

00:53:32.000 There you go.

00:53:36.000 Yeah, bottle of water.

00:53:38.000 Oh uh, can you say that move in your face?

00:53:42.000 Yeah, I can do that all day long.

00:53:44.000 So there you have it.

00:53:46.000 When it comes to the phenomena of Jeffrey Epstein and the problem of broken British politics, you can see that there are deep, deep roots, rhizones, I think is the word, roots concealed As all roots must be beneath the surface, invisible.

00:54:04.000 Tangled and complex.

00:54:06.000 And it seems that the Epstein button, if you press it long enough, will start to reveal the kind of connections that ultimately determine the trajectory, not just the national power, but more importantly, global power, the sets of power that exist permanently, not permanently, but you know, for longer periods of time than the average human life, and certainly the average political term.

00:54:28.000 So continue to investigate those ideas and continue to locate it as a window into the way that power really operates.

00:54:34.000 It doesn't care who you vote for.

00:54:36.000 As they say, voted if voting changed anything, they'd ban it.

00:54:39.000 Okay, that's just what I think though.

00:54:41.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:54:42.000 We've got a lot more to talk about, actually, and not that much time to do it.

00:54:47.000 Uh you tell me in the chat what you want me to do next with some good stuff on free speech.

00:54:52.000 I'll probably do that France uh that free speech stuff.

00:54:54.000 Maybe look at Candice Owens saying that Charlie Kirk's murder was connected to um it's not a training bra. 0.64

00:55:01.000 It's a um it's just a t-shirt.

00:55:04.000 Uh I don't need no bra training, baby.

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00:57:07.000 Free speech.

00:57:08.000 Do you care about free speech, or do you just care about not being offended or winning arguments?

00:57:15.000 It'll be natural if we did discover that all you cared about was not being offended and just winning arguments.

00:57:21.000 Those are motivations that are quite common.

00:57:24.000 Let's have a look at the free speech argument now and how it's being impacted.

00:57:28.000 There's free speech and then there's hate speech.

00:57:31.000 Wait a minute.

00:57:32.000 No, there isn't.

00:57:33.000 There's just free speech.

00:57:34.000 Hate speech.

00:57:35.000 You know when like there has to be some sort of terrible p legislation and they give it a nice name, like the Patriot Act.

00:57:42.000 You know, you've got to like the Patriot Act, haven't you?

00:57:45.000 Why are you not a patriot?

00:57:46.000 Well, what is the Patriot Act?

00:57:48.000 We're gonna be spying on you and controlling you, you patriot.

00:57:52.000 Uh-huh.

00:57:53.000 So what do you think's going on with hate speech?

00:57:56.000 Hate speech is a way of ensuring that free speech, which is palpably and tangibly a good, necessary and constitutional matter, can be smirched.

00:58:08.000 And there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie in our society.

00:58:15.000 Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people so we show them that some action is better than no action?

00:58:26.000 We will absolutely target you, go after You if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything.

00:58:35.000 And that's across the aisle.

00:58:37.000 Yeah.

00:58:38.000 Look.

00:58:39.000 This is what again why I love the Lord.

00:58:42.000 I started to feel this when it came to say one of the most controversial issues of our time, it's less controversial now, I suppose, but say trans issues and trans rights.

00:58:51.000 Didn't you sort of feel somewhere within you, there must be a principle that can help me here?

00:58:55.000 There must be a principle that can help me here.

00:58:57.000 Oh yeah, here it is.

00:58:58.000 Love one another.

00:58:59.000 Kindness.

00:59:00.000 Okay.

00:59:01.000 So where am I on the love one another and kindness scale?

00:59:03.000 If I'm loving people and being kind, can I use that to help me with any and all cultural and identity issue?

00:59:11.000 Yeah.

00:59:11.000 There's a person over there, they're a Jew.

00:59:13.000 Love one another.

00:59:14.000 There's a person over there, they're a Muslim.

00:59:15.000 Love one another.

00:59:16.000 There's a person over there that said something mean about trans people.

00:59:19.000 Love one another.

00:59:20.000 There's a person over there who is a trans person.

00:59:21.000 Love one another.

00:59:22.000 There's a person over there making offensive remarks about Charlie Kirk's murder.

00:59:25.000 Love one another.

00:59:26.000 That's it.

00:59:27.000 You don't kind of decide.

00:59:28.000 Once I saw Ben Shapiro in some sort of congressional hero, I don't remember what he was doing now, but like they asked him about same sex marriage, and he said, Do I, as an Orthodox Jew, believe in same-sex marriage?

00:59:38.000 No, I'm an Orthodox Jew.

00:59:39.000 And I thought, oh, that's good.

00:59:41.000 He doesn't even have to think about it.

00:59:42.000 Like, so whether or not you agree with something or not, if you've accepted a religious way of life, you just go, right, these this is what my religion tells me.

00:59:50.000 And amongst it, he says things like, don't judge, love one another, be willing to love God with all of your heart.

00:59:58.000 Love God not to get anything, but just because that's what we do is we love God because we come from God, that we're about God.

01:00:04.000 And if you try and return to those points, it'll help you through, I found a whole host of complex issues.

01:00:10.000 And I am actually it's irresistible and inexhaustible.

01:00:13.000 Let's have a look at um this is uh obviously um a post by Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul, about hate speech does not exist legally in America.

01:00:21.000 There's ugly speech, there's gross speech, there's evil speech, and all of it's protected by the First Amendment, keep America free.

01:00:26.000 And I that's the very kind of thing about Charlie Kirk that I uh admire.

01:00:30.000 Now let's have a look at this.

01:00:32.000 This is Trump, I suppose, um backing Pam Bondy.

01:00:36.000 And what do you make Pam Bondy saying she's gonna go out for hate speech? 1.00

01:00:40.000 Uh is that I mean, a lot of people, a lot of your allies say hate speech is free speech.

01:00:44.000 You'll probably go after people like you because you treat me so unfairly.

01:00:47.000 It's hate. 0.69

01:00:48.000 You have a lot of hate in your heart.

01:00:50.000 Maybe that'll come after ABC.

01:00:52.000 Well, ABC paid me $16 million recently for a form of hate speech, right?

01:00:57.000 Your company paid me $16 million for a form of hate speech.

01:01:02.000 So maybe they'll have to go after you.

01:01:04.000 This dude's a fighter.

01:01:05.000 And I think a lot of people that really love Trump love that fight.

01:01:08.000 Remember, like what I've felt a lot of my affection to Donald Trump comes from that kind of moment when he's like UABC, I don't trust you as much.

01:01:18.000 Like that kind of that somewhat gangster confrontational aspect of Trump is what I admire.

01:01:23.000 That obviously comes from my own emotional palate, my own emotional injuries and wounds.

01:01:28.000 When it comes to a principle that's enshrined in your constitution and free speech, it don't matter what our personal affiliations are, it matters what the principle is.

01:01:36.000 Either you agree with it or you don't.

01:01:38.000 Now, let's see if she's um here, Pam Bondy appears to be threatening to fire and prosecute people for celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, which look, obviously that's a horrible thing to do. 1.00

01:01:50.000 It's disgusting.

01:01:50.000 People shouldn't be doing that.

01:01:51.000 And the same way you shouldn't burn the flag, because the flag to a lot of people means a great deal.

01:01:56.000 People see it as the symbol of everything they love and what people they love died for.

01:02:01.000 So to burn that, you're kind of deliberately insulting someone.

01:02:04.000 So yeah, that's not good.

01:02:05.000 You shouldn't do that.

01:02:06.000 But does it need to be a matter of of law?

01:02:09.000 Tell me in the comments and chat.

01:02:10.000 That's horrific.

01:02:11.000 It's free speech, but you shouldn't be employed anywhere if you're gonna say that.

01:02:14.000 And employers, you have an obligation to get rid of people.

01:02:17.000 You need to look at people who are saying horrible things, and they shouldn't be working with you.

01:02:22.000 Businesses cannot discriminate.

01:02:24.000 If you want to go in and print posters with Charlie's pictures on them for a vigil, you have to let them do that.

01:02:29.000 We can prosecute you for that.

01:02:31.000 I have Harmeat Dylan right now in our civil rights unit.

01:02:34.000 Looking at that immediately, that Office Depot had done that.

01:02:37.000 We're looking at that.

01:02:38.000 But Sean, you know makes me realize that one of the problems is secularism, the idea that we can separate our religious life from governmental life, which we're told is in order to preserve our religious freedoms.

01:02:50.000 But in fact, it allows someone who's a Christian to almost put aside their Christian perspective while dealing with the most important matters that they are there are truth, honesty, integrity, service.

01:03:02.000 It's interesting.

01:03:03.000 This is what Matt Walsh said about it.

01:03:05.000 Get rid of a um Pam Bondy. 1.00

01:03:07.000 It's insane.

01:03:08.000 Conservatives have fought for decades for the right to refuse service to anyone.

01:03:10.000 We won that fight.

01:03:11.000 Now Pam Bondy wants to roll it back for no reason. 1.00

01:03:13.000 The employee who didn't print the flyer who was already fired by his employer.

01:03:17.000 This stuff is being handled successfully through free speech and free markets.

01:03:20.000 It's totally gratuitous and pointless.

01:03:22.000 We need the attorney general to focus on bringing down the left-wing terror cells, not prosecuting office depot, for God's sake, and he adds, between this free speech nonsense and Epstein, Pam Bondy has committed two is the most egregious errors we've ever seen from an attorney general. 0.99

01:03:36.000 How many seismic fuck-ups will Trump permit her before he cuts her loose? 1.00

01:03:39.000 This is a ten strikes is this a ten strikes in your out deal or what? 0.99

01:03:43.000 That's good commentary from Matt Walsh because uh I know that he's a pretty conservative guy, and there you are.

01:03:49.000 It seems that he's sticking to his principles regardless of whether or rather than sort of uh parroting points that are expedient.

01:03:59.000 Uh here's J.D. Vance saying the same thing, I think.

01:04:03.000 So we're saying that if you see someone celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder, call their employer.

01:04:08.000 Well, like think about it though.

01:04:10.000 If someone was doing that, what like I don't want to say like what would Charlie Kirk do as if it's a sort of a new what would Jesus do?

01:04:17.000 But Charlie Kirk would want to have a conversation with him.

01:04:19.000 Another of the things I liked about Charlie Kirk, and I've sort of look obviously looked at that more posthumously, is like when people would be confrontational.

01:04:26.000 I mean, I did see one where he got pretty angry with Cenk Urger, I don't know how to say Cchenk's surname, just say Cenk generally, don't you?

01:04:33.000 Like, remember you really lost it with him one time.

01:04:35.000 But generally, people will be confrontational.

01:04:36.000 And he what do you mean?

01:04:38.000 No, let her speak. 0.94

01:04:39.000 What does he mean?

01:04:40.000 You know, that's cool.

01:04:41.000 I like that.

01:04:41.000 I find it difficult actually to stay relaxed if I feel threatened or confronted.

01:04:46.000 But here JD Vance says, um, you know, uh call their employer.

01:04:50.000 But well, you know, maybe JD Vance is having his own emotional reaction to grief. 0.98

01:04:54.000 So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out in hell.

01:04:58.000 Call their employer.

01:04:59.000 We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility.

01:05:03.000 And there is no civility in the celebration of political assassination.

01:05:07.000 Get involved, get involved, get involved.

01:05:11.000 It's the best way to honor Charlie's legacy.

01:05:13.000 Start a chapter of TP USA or get involved in the one that already exists.

01:05:18.000 If you're older, volunteer.

01:05:20.000 Okay.

01:05:20.000 Um let's have a look at um Medih Hussein is a person I've been interviewed with a few times, and you hear it these days, of course, understandably, uh, he's a uh British Muslim.

01:05:31.000 Him talking and even debating, for example, Douglas Murray on the matter of Israel Palestine.

01:05:37.000 Here, I figure he's posting about the right wing's potentially mobile position on free speech.

01:05:43.000 Let's have a look.

01:05:44.000 Uh, if you ever had doubt that right wing media is just official state propaganda, consider that Charlie Kirk was replaced on his show by the sitting Republican vice president who interviewed White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Stephen Miller, independent media.

01:05:57.000 What do you think about that point from Medi Hussein?

01:06:02.000 Again, they are human beings, um, but he is also the vice president.

01:06:07.000 Marco Rubio will not uh host foreigners who celebrate the death of our foreign uh of our fellow citizens.

01:06:15.000 Yeah, I guess look, what you want to make sure that this is handled honourably and diligently, and again, human beings are flawed.

01:06:22.000 So you don't actually really even need to get in a position of judgment of whether it's remember when it used to be the old folks, like uh Jen Saki or the young black woman, you know, that was pressed and carrying Jean Pierre.

01:06:36.000 People like really got into it, didn't they? 1.00

01:06:37.000 Like, I hate that bitch. 1.00

01:06:39.000 They say, like, but actually, you could sort of detect in uh the the young black woman carrying Jean Pierre, yeah, that's a name that she was like, oh man, I gotta go out and hear it again and defend this asshole. 1.00

01:06:49.000 Like she was like knackered from talking about poor old Joe Biden staggering off into bushes and hedges, wouldn't she? 0.97

01:06:53.000 Like, um, how am I going to come up with something today to sling a sheet of wallpaper over this guy's evident outzimers? 1.00

01:07:00.000 She was knackered, poor cow. 1.00

01:07:02.000 And like now, though, it's sort of different people with a different agenda.

01:07:06.000 The principle should remain absolutely the same.

01:07:09.000 That otherwise it isn't a principle.

01:07:11.000 Otherwise, it's a tool.

01:07:12.000 A principle doesn't change.

01:07:13.000 If you're using it as a tool, it's like, wait a minute, I can use this thing.

01:07:16.000 I could use this for a moment.

01:07:17.000 That's completely the wrong agenda.

01:07:21.000 Um okay, uh, let's have a look at what's see what's Gavin Newsom.

01:07:24.000 Let's get this dude involved.

01:07:26.000 Wake up America, Stephen Miller has already publicly labelled the Democratic Party as a terrorist organization.

01:07:31.000 This isn't about crime and safety.

01:07:33.000 It's about dem dismantling our democratic institutions.

01:07:35.000 We cannot allow acts of political violence to be weaponized and used to threaten tens of millions of Americans.

01:07:43.000 Free speech is a principle, is an important principle.

01:07:45.000 That principle only has value if it's able to withstand inconvenience, if it's able to withstand weaponisation.

01:07:54.000 It shouldn't matter.

01:07:56.000 It shouldn't matter.

01:07:57.000 Charlie Kirk was pretty clear about what his position on free speech was when it came to his right to go to college campuses and talk about his Christianity, his conservatism, his faith, how he derived views on people's sexuality from his faith, and all of those things were completely legitimate and authentic.

01:08:19.000 To use the political murder of Charlie Kirk to vanquish free expression is a hypocrisy that makes a mockery of his death.

01:08:33.000 Say, for example, that dude in the UK celebrating it.

01:08:40.000 Oh a more offensive response.

01:08:43.000 But that's just what I think.

01:08:44.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.

01:08:47.000 Remember, we stream Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday here.

01:08:51.000 We will be back tomorrow with an interview with Nick Fuentes.

01:08:54.000 Let me show you a little bit of that.

01:08:55.000 I think you'll enjoy it, particularly, I don't know.

01:08:57.000 Even if you really imagine you really hate Nick Fuentes, you'll still like it.

01:09:01.000 If you like him, you're gonna love it because it's Nick Fuentes.

01:09:05.000 Um let's have a look at this moment from the conversation.

01:09:08.000 I've not watched this.

01:09:08.000 We're gonna do it yesterday.

01:09:09.000 Check it out and tell me what you think.

01:09:13.000 So Candice Owens, where do you align?

01:09:15.000 Where do you not align?

01:09:16.000 So Cannes, I did the what I'm doing is I did a kind of uh lightning round because then he's always arguing with people, Nick Fuentes.

01:09:24.000 I'm like, all right, what about all these people?

01:09:26.000 Check it out.

01:09:26.000 So Cannis, I disagree with her on race and uh and on some of her more esoteric stuff, the Macron thing, the Frankist stuff, I disagree on that totally.

01:09:35.000 What about Andrew Tate?

01:09:37.000 Ah, well, he's Muslim, believes in polygamy. 1.00

01:09:40.000 I'm Catholic, I don't believe in polygamy.

01:09:42.000 Everything else I agree 100%.

01:09:45.000 Okay.

01:09:46.000 Um Tommy Robinson.

01:09:47.000 Uh well, he is right about the Muslim immigration in the United Kingdom, and he's a Zionist, very pro-Israel, and and even pro-Indian immigration. 0.62

01:09:56.000 So I also disagree with him on race and nationalism.

01:09:58.000 Uh Tucker Carlson.

01:10:00.000 Uh, I agree with him on so much, but I would say that he he doesn't think it has to do with Judaism, just neocons.

01:10:08.000 I think it has everything to do with Judaism or our kind of neocon issue, is deeply entrenched in that.

01:10:13.000 Crowder.

01:10:14.000 Uh, I don't really watch Stephen Crowder.

01:10:16.000 I get he just seems like a basic conservative, doesn't talk about Israel or Jewish power at all.

01:10:21.000 Alex Jones.

01:10:22.000 Um we are coming more into agreement.

01:10:25.000 I guess he's more pro-Trump than me, but I agree with him about uh Israel a lot.

01:10:30.000 He he's maybe less critical of them than I am.

01:10:33.000 He's also a lot less racial, but we we've been kind of converging in many ways, so I think that's changed a lot.

01:10:38.000 David Icke.

01:10:39.000 I don't think it's lizards, but he he's been on the money for years.

01:10:42.000 But I don't think they're actually reptilians.

01:10:49.000 We'll back tomorrow.

01:10:49.000 See, you can watch that interview in full tomorrow.

01:10:51.000 You'll like it, I think.

01:10:52.000 It's good stuff.

01:10:52.000 All right, see you tomorrow.

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Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 17, 2025

Charlie Kirk Murder Suspect Faces DEATH PENALTY, As Media Creates Love Story Narrative - SF635

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